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No one can find 20 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: little Lucas until a private eye, David Marshburn tricks step 21 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 1: Mommy Elizabeth Glass into getting into his car. They dry 22 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: for hours until she ultimately leads him to little Lucas's 23 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: body found in a washed out culvert in an erosion. Pan. 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy, Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: being with us. In the last hours, we learn of 26 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: another bizarre twist. The dad, Jonathan Hernandez right now in 27 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 1: the intensive care unit at a local hospital. Why this 28 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: after step MoMA autopsy reveals she commits suicide. The story 29 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: becomes more and more convoluted, with so many twists and turns, 30 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: it's hard to keep up. We are going for the 31 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: very latest in the condition of Jonathan Hernandez, Lucas's dad. 32 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: Right now, we have just obtained the nine one one calls. 33 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 1: Do they reveal what happened to little Lucas as well 34 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:41,239 Speaker 1: as to Emily Glass? Take a listen, Oh my' fun 35 00:02:42,160 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: where's your son? When did he know? I'm the long 36 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: so it was a live following five ma'am old, ma'am 37 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: how old is your son? He was five years old? 38 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 1: Wive years old? Did someone take him? No? I don't 39 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: know what did he walk off? Now? I don't know. 40 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: I don't think we have coffee. Oh yeah, I don't 41 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 1: even know what did I don't know what you do 42 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: and what Adrian are you at? I'm just fine, fine, 43 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: solf and oh I don't know where to do, ma'am. 44 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Go and repeat your location for verification for me. Okay, sorry, 45 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: huh so it's more all right, man, I have to go. 46 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: I call his father because you not tell mean right now? 47 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: All right? Can you stay in line with me. I 48 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: need to get some more information. Okay, I didn't you 49 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: on line with me? What is your phone number that 50 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: you're calling from? Okay? And what is your name name? Okay, 51 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: stay on the line with me. I've got some more questions. Okay, 52 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 1: what is your son's name? Luca Lucas? And he said 53 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: he's five years old? Here, he's five years old. The 54 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: white wats Hispanic rasion. He's wine too. He got some 55 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: mexicane in him and not a logue. I mean you 56 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: said he's half Mexicans. Oh yes, okay, that's fine. How Polly, 57 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 1: so I don't know him boone before seeing I don't worry. 58 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: That's fine. As ethan medium or heavy build. He's little, 59 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: he's really little old. Okay, do you remember what he 60 00:04:57,160 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: was wearing on forward. I'm a very black sweat and 61 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: the okay I'm breaking in just one moment with me 62 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: is Susan Constantine, body and verbal language expert, Ashley Wilcott, 63 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: juvenile judge, lawyer and founder of child Crime watch dot com, 64 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: And Vincent Hill, private investigator, former Nashville p D. Everybody, 65 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I want to get 66 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: right into it. To Susan Constantine, you know, the more 67 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:40,719 Speaker 1: I listened to Emily Glass on this nine one one call, 68 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 1: the more actually the more questions I have, um, And 69 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm actually I'm gonna get to you and Vincent in 70 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: one moment because I want to talk about the impact 71 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: of a nine one one call a trial, which I 72 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: would love to kick off a trial with a nine 73 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: one one call because it takes jury straight to the 74 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: moment as it's happening. So, Susan Constantine, I'm just overwhelmed. 75 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 1: I'm overwhelmed listening to Emily Glass and all the gasping 76 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: and the hyperventilating and the fake crying. She knows exactly 77 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: where Lucas is because she put him in the washed 78 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: out culvert. She put his tiny little body there. Time passes, 79 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: we don't know how many days have passed, and then 80 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: she fakes this nine one one call. Now, I'm no expert. 81 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: You're the expert, Susan Constantine. I want to hear what 82 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: you have to say. I'm just going on the facts 83 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: that I know. Yeah, you're very good observation, Nancy. First 84 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: of all, if you listen to her voice at the 85 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 1: very beginning, she becomes very angry with the caller. So 86 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: anger is not an emotion that we would hear from 87 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: someone that is concerned about that their child is missing. 88 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: You know, her her gasping, you're right, it's very overacting. 89 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: It's in performance. One of the things that I found 90 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: really quite revealing was is when the caller asked her 91 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: how old is your son? She says he was five 92 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: years old at that point forty five seconds of that interview, 93 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: so she had already viewed him as dead. So when 94 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, she's pushing out her cry, she's 95 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: forcing this this um gas being a response, and it's 96 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: very revealing that she is actually in performance. Wow, a 97 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 1: performance of a lifetime. Astley Wilcot, you are not kidding, Nancy, 98 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: And let me tell you what you just said is 99 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: so true. When you have a jury trial and you 100 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: start with the call, not only does it take you 101 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: to that exact moment, it pulls the jury in emotionally. 102 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 1: And so in this case, can you imagine if they 103 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: heard her and everything you've just described, and then we're 104 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: to learn if she were being tried that Wait a second, 105 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 1: she was actually involved in this child was murdered. Very actful. Yeah, 106 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean, Vincent Hill, I'm going on what Ashley will Cotton, 107 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: Susan Constantine have just said. Vincent Hill, former Nashville p 108 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 1: D now private eye, Vincent, this proves when you are 109 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: looking at somebody and you're listening to them give a 110 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: statement or their testimony, you really have to analyze it. 111 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: You've got to take it with not a grain or 112 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: a pinch, but a box of salt. Because if I 113 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: didn't know better, you know, this woman could could could 114 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: really give Meryl Streep a run for her money for 115 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: the next Oscar nomination. The acting and the crying and 116 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: the fake hyperventilating on the nine one one call, Vincent, 117 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you determine when a witnesses telling 118 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: the truth. Well, you hit the nail on the head, Nancy, 119 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: And to an untrained ear sound sincere this nine one 120 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: one call. But we've all said that this was an 121 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: over acting job. And the one thing that I picked 122 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: up on this entire time, she kept saying I woke 123 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: up from a long nap, But she never once said 124 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: I went out to look for a little lucas, So 125 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: she already knew he was gone and he was likely 126 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: deceased at that point. Man, that's a good catch, Vincent Hill. 127 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: She never did. Okay, Alan, could you roll some more 128 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: of that nine one one call. I'm trying to glean 129 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: any facts that I I Canokam, all right, I'm so here. Okay, 130 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 1: just keep talking about going and going. I understand, I understand, Okay, 131 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: I need to get a little bit more information. Okay, 132 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: when was the last time you saw him around? Like 133 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: the junior clog? Okay, and you're at he was at home? 134 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: Just okay, all right? And what color is his hair? 135 00:09:55,600 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 1: Ben brown? Short or among its swords? Okay? Was he 136 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,959 Speaker 1: wearing anything else? Hat? Or he had? He had white 137 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: socks on and he had to pull up on until 138 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: we were we were taking an oppen So what do 139 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: you mean a pull up a plug for um for 140 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: a night time you know, Okay, what color was that? Um? 141 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: White and blue? White and blue? His down eyes okay, 142 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: really really long eel okay, and M I don't know. 143 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: Just just hang in there, okay, M is he the 144 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: only one missing? Yes? Okay? Did you see any suspicious 145 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: people in the area? Uh? N? Okay, I mean, I 146 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: mean I was somebod on the corner right about any 147 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: other words, and suspicious people in the corner. I don't know. 148 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that us to do anything in it, 149 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: but you just never know in this neighborhood and list. Okay, Lauren, 150 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: we know a lot of the facts with me, Susan Constantine, 151 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: body and verbal language expert Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge, lawyer 152 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: and founder a child crime watch dot com, and former 153 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 1: cop turned private eye Vincent Hill. Ashley, we know that 154 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: she later tries to blame a quote homeless guy she 155 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: claims she brings into the home, who they then infer, 156 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 1: kills or takes baby Lucas, But when dispatch asks her 157 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: point blank about strange or suspicious people in the area, 158 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: she does not name him. That's right. She lies, lies, lies, 159 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: a front, words backwards every direction, and and she's just 160 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: making stuff up. Now, the one thing I wonder, Nancy know, 161 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: she does keep saying in the nine one one call, 162 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: he's gone, He's gone. And so I'm not a language expert, 163 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: but I wonder if that's at all She's panicked and 164 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: hyperventilating because she knows he's gone, i e. Dead, and 165 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: she doesn't want to get caught. You know, another issue 166 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm suspicious about. Actually she said a homeless man and 167 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:33,080 Speaker 1: refer to a woman being involved somehow in Lucas's disappearance. 168 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 1: But when you listen to this NIVEL one call and 169 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: she's asked specifically by dispatch about suspicious people in the area, 170 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: she doesn't mention either of them. That story only pops 171 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: up well after the search is on for Lucas. Another 172 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: thing that strives me Susan Constantine body and verbal language expert. Man, 173 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: she's got the lies down to a t. To the details, 174 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: even describing his pull up. Yeah, it's overly descriptive. Most 175 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: people in those situations don't really don't remember those very 176 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: high level details. They just remember things that just kind 177 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: of occurred. So the fact that they kind of go 178 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:16,199 Speaker 1: back and then they re do that statement and then 179 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: they start adding all these little details. Then they're trying 180 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: to appeal to the person that they're actually speaking to 181 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: to make it sound more logical. But the one thing 182 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: that I wanted to make a point to is, remember 183 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: Nancy have talked about that number. Three forty percent of 184 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: all deceptive statements reference at three o'clock or three thirty 185 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: time frame in their statements. And again she says that 186 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: she saw him last around three o'clock. You know, to 187 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: visit Hill private investigator. I know that sounds like what's 188 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: your lucky number or read the numbers or numerology, and 189 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: I don't put a whole lot of stock into that, 190 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: but statistically, Susan is right. She has looked at thousands 191 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: of statements in fact situations, and there are certain numbers 192 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: that people fall back on. I don't know why that is. 193 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: Maybe it is because for all those years they got 194 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: out of school at three o'clock or I don't know, 195 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm guessing and I don't have the expertise to do that, 196 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: but she is right about that, Vincent. Susan's absolutely right, 197 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: and I think that's the default number. And to your point, Nancy, 198 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: maybe it is because we get out of school at 199 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: three o'clock or people get off work at three o'clock, 200 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: so it just becomes this common number that we we 201 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: call out during these times. But one thing I noticed 202 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: if you listen really closely in this call, there's another 203 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: child in the background, and you can even hear that 204 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: this factors say is he the only one missing? But 205 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: what's important is that child is very calm and how 206 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: they're acting. And if this child was watching their parents 207 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: crying and being hysterical automatically, the child would be. So 208 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: that goes back to this was probably a huge acting 209 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: job by Emily Glass during this through okay, m m 210 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: and put a movie on for him and like a 211 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: good shower really quick, and he was asleep when I 212 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: went tick back on. It was okay, I mean, this 213 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: is a good nap. And then my room. M okay. 214 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: So you went to check on him and then you 215 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: went to go take a nap and he's not there anymore? 216 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: Correct non, uh, okay, it's it's okay. Do you have 217 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: do you know if he left with anything else? Was 218 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: there any pets missing or anything? Oh? You know what 219 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: I mean? He says, and go into the shoes and 220 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: coat are in there. Good yea, m okay has he 221 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: ever wandered off before. No, Oa, okay, good boy, okay, 222 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: I mean where are you? Where have you looked at all? 223 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: Have you looked in the house at all? I liked all. 224 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: Went to the neighbors and I asked and they said 225 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: no enough what I called you? Okay? And I didn't 226 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: know what he wanted to go catch next door? I 227 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: don't know there. 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Go to 255 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 1: truth finder dot com slash Nancy and enter any name 256 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: to get started. At this hour, we are learning that 257 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: Lucas's father, the only person left alive of the scenario, 258 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: is in the intensive care unit at the local hospital. 259 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: We have also obtained his nine one one call when 260 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: he comes back to his home um and he finds 261 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Emily Glass dead from a lethal shotgun wound. Listen, Okay, 262 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: tell me exactly what happened. Oh, it's the first time 263 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: I've been home and like three weeks. Uh my fiance 264 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: who has been saying here m h. And I had 265 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: nowhere else to go tonight, so I asked her, Hey, 266 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: are you awakes, et cetera, and she didn't answer. So 267 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: I came home and it's so bad. It's so bad. 268 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: I saw my rifle at her feet. Yes, I think so. 269 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: I think so. Her her brain is laying on the 270 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: carpet and her head is split wide open. Where's where's 271 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: it done at? Now it's at her peek? Okay. Then 272 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: you said it's a rifle, yes, okay, have you seen 273 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 1: any other weapons? No, ma'am, I have a shotgun in 274 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: the closet. If it's still there, I haven't even checked. 275 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: But there was only my rifle that it looks like 276 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: she got out of the case. Okay, And is anyone 277 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:31,600 Speaker 1: else injured? Then you are hearing Jonathan Hernandez on his 278 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: nine one one call when he discovers his fiancee Emily 279 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: Glass looks his stepmother dad in his home. Joining me 280 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: Lee Egan, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Susan Constantine, 281 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott and Vincent Hill. Susan Constantine, what do you 282 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: make Jonathan's words? One, Well, first of all, he takes 283 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: too much time to lead up to what happened that 284 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: nine when one operator said what happened? And then he pauses, 285 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: He's like he's exhausted, and then he uses what Nancy again, 286 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 1: I've been gone for about three weeks, and then he 287 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, the lead up to what happened is too long. 288 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,959 Speaker 1: So there is a there's science behind this tape about 289 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: of the story should be the lead up, fifty of 290 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,159 Speaker 1: the body of the story and of the end. But 291 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: if you listen to his story, he's got fifty percent 292 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: of it's the lead up and when he's walking in 293 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: the door, so he's a very emotionally disconnected. And he 294 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: also gives you reason why he wasn't there, that I 295 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: had nowhere else to go, and then um he uses 296 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: the word etcetera, etcetera is where you're leading out information 297 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,679 Speaker 1: remember later or later on. Meanwhile, sometime thereafter he's not 298 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 1: giving us all the information what led up to the 299 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: reason why he was there. To Ashley Wilcott, juvenile Judge lawyer, 300 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 1: founder offrime watch dot com. What do you make of it? 301 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: There's just too much that I question about the father. 302 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: Obviously I feel for him, grieve his loss, all of 303 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: those things, But Nancy, something doesn't add up to me. 304 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: And we do have reports from relatives that there have 305 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: been bruises on Lucas before his death and signs of abuse, 306 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: and I just believe that the father knew more than 307 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: he's letting on too. I noticed that he refers to 308 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:31,920 Speaker 1: her still as my fiance, and that he had nowhere 309 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: else to go that night and apparently was going there 310 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: to stay his fiance Emily Glass, Lucas's stepmother, staying in 311 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: the home. Joining you right now, Lee, Agan, Lee, what 312 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: can you tell me about the latest regarding Jonathan Hernandez 313 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,199 Speaker 1: in the I c you what's happening. Shortly after lucas 314 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: Memorial on Saturday, he started having breathing problems and he 315 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 1: couldn't follow. I spoke to his mother, Cindy, and she 316 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: said that he went to the er Saturday evening. They 317 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: thought it might have been tonsilitis, but they gave him something, 318 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,640 Speaker 1: sent him home and by three am that the pain 319 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 1: had gotten much worse. So he went back in and 320 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: they checked him into the hospital at that time, and 321 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: they're doing a CT scan to figure out what's going on. 322 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: He's still in a lot of pain. He's still there. 323 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: He can't breathe, he's having trouble eating, and they really 324 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: don't know at this point it's gonna be he's gonna 325 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,159 Speaker 1: be determining after they get the test back. You know, 326 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed with what he has been through to 327 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: visit him. Private investigator, former Nashville p D. What do 328 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: you make of his nine one one call. I noticed 329 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: he was extremely deliberate with his speech, and on the 330 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 1: several times that he's spoken with us and you've been 331 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: with me, Vincent, he was very calm and very deliberate. 332 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: And first it threw me off a little bit because 333 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: he's talking about such emotional and upsetting topics of disappearance 334 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: of his son, five year old Lucas, Lucas's death, his 335 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: battle to get custody of his one year old daughter, 336 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,920 Speaker 1: who was you know, taken away during all this um 337 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: He of course was out of town when all of 338 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: this happened, just trying to make a living. Then the 339 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: discovery of Emily Glass dead in his home. I just 340 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 1: think it's been too much for Vincent. Yeah, it's definitely 341 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: been a lot for anyone to take in Nancy. But 342 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: going back to what Susan said in his nine one 343 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: one call, there was a lot of build up to 344 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: what happened, And again, when you're listening to the calls 345 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: in it as an expert, you would expect that to 346 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: come out first. And not pointing fingers at Jonathan by 347 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: any means, but I'm sure people will question because he 348 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 1: said things like she had my rifle, which could explain 349 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: why his DNA would be on it if this was 350 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,639 Speaker 1: investigated a different way. So there's a lot going on here. Again, 351 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: not pointing fingers to Jonathan, but the nine one one 352 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,880 Speaker 1: call did seem a little calm, a little deliberate, less 353 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,760 Speaker 1: than what you would expect if you just found your 354 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: fiance with her brains blown out on the floor. I 355 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: want to listen again to what I can learn from 356 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 1: this nine woman call from Jonathan her Nandez listen exactly 357 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: what happened. Oh, it's the first time I've been home 358 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: and like three weeks. Uh, my fiance has been saying 359 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: here m H, and I had nowhere else to go tonight. 360 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: So I asked her, Hey, are you awake, et cetera, 361 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: and she didn't answer. So I came home and it's 362 00:25:51,840 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: so bad. It's so bad. I saw my rifle yourself. Yes, 363 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: I think so. I think so. Her her brain is 364 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: laying on the carpet and her head is split wide open. 365 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: Where is where's it done that? Now? It's at her feet? Okay. 366 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: Then you said it's a rifle, yes, okay. Have you 367 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: seen any other weapons? No, ma'am, I have a shotgun 368 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: in the closet. If it's still there, I haven't even checked. 369 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: But there was only my rifle that it looks like 370 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: she got out of the case. Okay, And is anyone 371 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: else injured? The you know of you know, his demeanor, 372 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: Susan Constantine is very similar to every time we spent 373 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: to him. So that is his natural demeanor. I think 374 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: the guy's just been through too much, Susan. What do 375 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: you make of his demeanor? Well, I think that you're right, Nancy, 376 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: And part is that you know, we do look at 377 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: norm or baseline behaviors. How do they normally sound? But 378 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: there's other information that he's not giving us. He's he's 379 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: leading out stuff that's really important, you know, like etcetera. 380 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: What is why does a person use etcetera. They use 381 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,880 Speaker 1: it because they're leaving out things that are leading up 382 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: to what happened. All I'm saying is that there's something 383 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 1: that occurred from the time he got the call to 384 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: when he got there, So there was something that occurred 385 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 1: between the two of them before they got there. His 386 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: his demeanor is very flat. He's got a very flat affect, 387 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: but it never changes, even when he's talking about his 388 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,640 Speaker 1: brain laying on her brain laying on the floor. It's 389 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: just very odd, even though that is his baseline behavior. Two, Alan, 390 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: do Alan, I know you recall when we spoke to 391 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: Jonathan and everything he told us corroborates what he says 392 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: in that normally call. A lot of people have laying 393 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 1: blame at him at his feet. They have suggested he 394 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: was part of Lucas's disappearance, which I do not believe. 395 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: They have suggested he's responsible for Emily. Emily's death, which 396 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: I do not believe based on the autopsy findings. Some 397 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,920 Speaker 1: of her friends have joined us and they have had 398 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:19,840 Speaker 1: suggested he or someone else was responsible. Even a Wiccan 399 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:25,440 Speaker 1: plot up Wicca witchcraft. Okay, almost too fantastical to take in. 400 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 1: But I want you guys to listen to what Jonathan 401 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: told us as compared to the nine on one call. Listen. 402 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:36,160 Speaker 1: The lights were on and the TV was on, and 403 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: it looked like, you know, somebody was there. And I 404 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: go to the bedroom and she's not there. So I 405 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: go out to the garage and check to see if 406 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: the car was there. I thought, maybe she wasn't staying there, 407 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: maybe had left for something. And her car was there 408 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: in the garage. So I went back inside and did 409 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: a more thorough room by room search, and when I 410 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: found her in the back room. When you found her, 411 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 1: was she dressed? Was she lying in bed? What was 412 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: the condition of her body? She was dressed, It looked 413 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: like she had pajamas on. At first? Did you believe 414 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: she was just asleep? No? I did not. I thought 415 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: it was a dream. I wasn't sure what was happening 416 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: at first. Why are you convinced, Jonathan Emily killed herself 417 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: just just the way everything looked um, It looked like 418 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: she had thought about it. She got my gun case 419 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: out of my closet and took it into that back 420 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,680 Speaker 1: room with her, and then opened the gun case there, 421 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: and the gun was laying next to her, and she 422 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: had it looked like she had smoked three or four 423 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 1: cigarettes that were on the on the floor by her feet, 424 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 1: so you know, maybe she had thought about it for 425 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: a little while anyways before she did it again. Everything 426 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: Jonathan Hernandez has told us in the past is corroborated 427 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: by this newly obtained one call. This is what he 428 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: tells me regarding the crime scene itself when he finds 429 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: Emily Glass dead in her home. There were actually three 430 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 1: suicide notes. Listen to what Lucas's dad, Jonathan tells us 431 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: about the discovery of those suicide notes. Where were they? 432 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: I honestly don't know. They didn't They didn't tell me 433 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: where they were, and as far as two of them, 434 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: they haven't told me what's in them. Except for the 435 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: third one they did tell me was rolled up and 436 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: stuck inside of her engagement ring and it said to um, 437 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: give our daughter the ring when she gets older. With me, 438 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: Susan Constantine, Ashley Willcott, and Vincent Hill also with me. 439 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Lee Egan Lee, I 440 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: find it very difficult to believe a simple breathing problem 441 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:19,760 Speaker 1: lands Jonathan Hernandez and I see you and he's still 442 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: in there. Well, I think it's a bit more than 443 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,320 Speaker 1: just a breathing problem. His mother said that there could 444 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: be like some kind of lesions or an abscess on 445 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 1: a esophagus. They again, they don't know for sure, and 446 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: to lease tests are done, but it was enough to 447 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: where when he went back the second time, they checked 448 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: him in their to Ashley Willcott, Ashley, I'm wondering armchair 449 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: diagnosing here when you have there They've confirmed it's a 450 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: esophageal issue. We think when you have incredible stress, very 451 00:31:54,800 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 1: often your esophagus clamps up and it feels like heart 452 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: attack and people actually have to lay down prone because 453 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 1: the pain is so intense, and it's awfu mistaken for 454 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 1: a heart attack. I mean, actually, after all this, dad 455 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: has been through the suggestion, as you pointed out, that 456 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: Emily Glass had been mistreating and abusing the child all 457 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,680 Speaker 1: this time when he was away working I guess on 458 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: an oil rig type situation and leaving his son with her. 459 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: He did not see it, He did not realize what 460 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: was happening. According to him, then the sun missing. He's 461 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: looking for the Sun for three months trying to find him, 462 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: only to find out his body has been found, and 463 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: then as fiance commits suicide. I mean, that guy has 464 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: been through hell and back. Arguably one person can only 465 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 1: take so much, and he's full up of what he's 466 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: had to take. The other thing, Nancy has to remember, 467 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: when you interviewed him one time, he did say the 468 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,320 Speaker 1: other piece of this that was so hard is that 469 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: people are actually angry at him and contacting him and 470 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: won't leave him alone. Because of course all of America 471 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: wants to tell him, you know, what they think about 472 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: his actions are lack of action. So I think that's 473 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,760 Speaker 1: one more additional stress that was added to all of 474 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: the rest of us. I guess part of it Vincent Hill. 475 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he is the father of Lucas, so ultimately 476 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 1: it is at his feet what happened to Lucas, because 477 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,600 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be taking care of your child. But 478 00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: I've just got to say, the man's out of town, 479 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: trying to make a living to support everybody when this occurs. 480 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: I don't I don't see how he could be responsible. 481 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: The sad part, Nancy is he entrusted Lucas with Emily 482 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: as many of us as parents do. Me being a 483 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: single father, sometimes I have to entrust my son with 484 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: someone while I'm out making a living. So we can't 485 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: lay that blame at Jonathan's feet that this happened in 486 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: Lucas because he thought his fiancee would assume that role 487 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: of protecting. Lucas susan constantine body and ver a language expert. 488 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,960 Speaker 1: He has the same methodical, uh tone of voice every 489 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: time we hear him, and I don't know how he 490 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: controls all that stress. Well, it sounds like to me 491 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: that he holds it in and that's probably why we're 492 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: seeing the reason why he's in the hospital, because you 493 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: can only retain that so much. Remember we talked about 494 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 1: all that anxiety being held inside that it's like a teapot. 495 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 1: Once it gets to a certain temperature, it starts to boil, 496 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: and it starts to boil over. So and I think 497 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: that's what we're saying here. Take a listen to the 498 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 1: memorial for Lucas Hernandez hild in the last days, I'd 499 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: like to share a letter inspired by the many volunteers 500 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: who have been forever changed by Lucas Lucas Hernandez. That's 501 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: a name many of us heard for the first time 502 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: on a cold February day. As it sounds, slowly sank 503 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: and darkness fell. The moment we first heard his name, 504 00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: we realized that the worst fears of any parent we're 505 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: coming through. A child was missing out in the dark, alone, 506 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: cold and afraid. We didn't know him yet yet the 507 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 1: community drew in a tense breath, filled with fear and anxiety, 508 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: and we would not expel for the next ninety seven days. 509 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: In the beginning, Lucas was simply a missing child. We 510 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: did not know him. We had never heard the sound 511 00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: of his voice or witnessed his sweet giggle. We didn't 512 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: know the struggles that he had faced when he came 513 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: into this world, small and sick. We didn't know about 514 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:38,920 Speaker 1: his cherished mother and his idolized father. We didn't know 515 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: about the precious moments he spent with the family whom 516 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: adored and loved him. All those things came later, graciously 517 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: gifted to us by those who knew him best. Joining 518 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: me right now and name you all know or should know, 519 00:35:54,440 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: Riley Sager. Awesome, awesome book coming out the last time 520 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: I lied. Oh my goodness, Okay, that's conjuring up all 521 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: sorts of images for me. Riley. Now it seems like 522 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,800 Speaker 1: I was just talking to you about Final Girls, which 523 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,600 Speaker 1: was awesome. Tell me about the last time I lied. Oh, 524 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,359 Speaker 1: first of all, what I need to know is can 525 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: I get it immediately? I'm all about instant gratification. Can 526 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: I get it on Amazon? That's my first question. Yes, 527 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 1: it is available today wherever books are sold. All right, Now, 528 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: that that's important to me because you know, uh, the 529 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:31,040 Speaker 1: school the twins go to it, they pile them up 530 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,680 Speaker 1: with reading and honestly to go to the bookstore. Don't 531 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: get mad at me because I'm all about the traditional bookstore, 532 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 1: brick and mortar. I'm down with it. But for their purposes, 533 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: it's easier for me to just carry around an iPad 534 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 1: and downloaded on Kindle. So you've made me very happy 535 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,479 Speaker 1: that I can get the Last Time I lied. Yes, 536 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 1: that's the title of his brand new book on Amazon. Okay, 537 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: now hold on, and this is not an ad for Amazon. 538 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,160 Speaker 1: I wouldn't know them if they bit me on the net. 539 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: I'm all about the book the last time I like. Okay, 540 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: it's out today, first day. Tell me it better be 541 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: a thriller. Riley, if there's not a dead body, and 542 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,760 Speaker 1: I'm not thrilled now, I don't want it. Forget a romance. 543 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,879 Speaker 1: Tell me this is not a romance, is it? There? 544 00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:20,320 Speaker 1: There is a little bit of romance, but oh, dear 545 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,000 Speaker 1: Lord in Heaven, what it's all you can think about? 546 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: Is sex? Really? Okay? When there's a dead body. I 547 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: have this fight all the time about Hally Dean because 548 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,560 Speaker 1: I have um a team. I come up with ideas 549 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: for my character Haley Dane, and they always want her, 550 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: you know, getting more involved with a man. I'm like, 551 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: what is it with you people? Is that all that's 552 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: on your mind? So you threw in some romance, okay, 553 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: I hope it's you know, was an appropriate amount of romance. 554 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 1: And he's suspicious too, so it might not be completely romantic. 555 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: I want the thrill, Riley, tell me, Okay. So the 556 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,760 Speaker 1: book is about a woman named Emma Davis and fifteen 557 00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,960 Speaker 1: years ago she went to an exclusive all girls summer 558 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: camp and well, hold on, whoa whoa whoa woo all 559 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: Lucy and John Davis friends want them to go to 560 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,840 Speaker 1: summer camp. I'm like, h E double l no what 561 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 1: I want them dead or molested? Forget it. They're staying 562 00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: right here with me and we're staring at the TV. 563 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 1: Hold on, how old is Emma when she goes to 564 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: summer camp. She mm hmm. Okay, that's a little bit better. Okay, 565 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: go ahead. I was about to accuse you being a 566 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: bad dad. Although this is a fictional character I'm getting 567 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,840 Speaker 1: mad about. Okay, go ahead. Emma goes to camp. What 568 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: happens M Three of her cabin mates um leave the 569 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 1: cabin in the middle of the night, and the last 570 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: one out the door shushes her and says, you're too 571 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:54,000 Speaker 1: young for this, M And they're never seen again. I'm 572 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: getting chills. Okay, just so you know, I was a 573 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 1: camp counselor at Rock Eagle National four Camp when I 574 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 1: was a hYP master. All day long, I took children 575 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,000 Speaker 1: on hikes and you're you just scared me the thought 576 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,520 Speaker 1: of three of them getting out and never being seen 577 00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: alive again. And now, fifteen years later, she's invited back 578 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: to that same camp to teach art because she's an 579 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: up and coming artist, and she decides to go and 580 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: figure out try to find out what happened to her friends. 581 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,799 Speaker 1: He actually gave me chill bumps. Just then okay, So 582 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: they leave emmastades behind. Whatever you do, don't give away 583 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 1: the ending, because I will never ever forgive you. My 584 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 1: husband is the worst. We can't watch a movie without 585 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: him blurting it out, usually because he's seen it before, 586 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: not because he's sleuthed it. Okay. And even the twins 587 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,080 Speaker 1: their ten. Before we watch any movie, they're like, Dad, 588 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: do not speak, okay, don't don't give it away. So 589 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: they leave. It's in the middle of the night. I'm 590 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 1: scaring myself. Then happens um no one. They've never been found. 591 00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: So fifteen years later later, Emma returns to the camp 592 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: as a painting instructor, and her real reason is to 593 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:16,000 Speaker 1: try to figure out what happened to her friends, and 594 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: when she gets there, she realizes that everything about that 595 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: camp might not quite be what it seems. You mean, 596 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: Camp Nightingale. I mean, do you think maybe you should 597 00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:34,160 Speaker 1: have given it a creepier name than Nightingale, like Camp Freaky. 598 00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,560 Speaker 1: But names can be deceiving. Looks can be deceiving. You 599 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: can't trust anyone. I love that, okay, go ahead, says 600 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,640 Speaker 1: She goes back to Camp Freaky. Excuse me, Camp Nightingale, 601 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: and what happens as a painting instructor. But wait a minute. 602 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,680 Speaker 1: During the years between age thirteen and she turns into 603 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: a young adult, what happens then, Well, she's hated in 604 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,520 Speaker 1: that time? Do we know? She's hated by the past 605 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: those mentally haunt her. She wants to know what happened 606 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,400 Speaker 1: to him, what happened to them? And this is what 607 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 1: do you mean by haunted? To come to her in dreams? 608 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 1: She wakes up with the night screaming, she's sweaty. She 609 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,560 Speaker 1: what tell me, Clammy? She might have had some mental 610 00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:21,480 Speaker 1: problems after the disappearance. Well, I guess so, and some 611 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: of them might return to her as hallucinations, or they 612 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: might be ghosts. You never know. Wait, let me ask 613 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: you something. Where are you from, Riley sag or that 614 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 1: you don't believe in ghosts? I am from the middle. 615 00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:40,719 Speaker 1: Let me guess New York City, No, Pennsylvania, what part please? Um, 616 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: It's the tiniest county in the state, Montour County. I 617 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: lived in Philly for a while with my sister when 618 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: she was a professor at Wharton for a brief time 619 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: after my fiancee was murdered, And so I know the 620 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,560 Speaker 1: Philly area pretty well, Um, now where is this? This 621 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 1: is pretty much in the middle of the fate. Yeah, 622 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,840 Speaker 1: I grew up surrounded by field and to soybean fields 623 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: and tall pine trees. So we don't know exactly why 624 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: she's hallucinating. She's having dreams or are they for real 625 00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: ghosts begging her to help find them? So that night 626 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:26,160 Speaker 1: when the girls leave, they're also thirteen, I take it. No, 627 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:32,800 Speaker 1: they're older girls, older as in fifteen, sixteen, sevent and 628 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,920 Speaker 1: she has no idea where they were going. Did she 629 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: try to go along? That would be spoiling things? All right, 630 00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 1: don't don't spoil it, don't don't you dare, because I 631 00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: will never forgive you. Now you have just come off 632 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 1: the success of Final Girls. Final Girls. For those of 633 00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: you you know what, I'll let you tell it before 634 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: I go on and on about you. Tell about Final Girls, 635 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: because the huge best sell Girls was about um, a 636 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: group victims of horrible horror movie like massacres. And there 637 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,000 Speaker 1: are three of them and they get all this attention 638 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,799 Speaker 1: in the press, and um when one of them dies 639 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,719 Speaker 1: under mysterious circumstances, the other two sort of meet up 640 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: and things get really suspenseful and scary from there. Well, 641 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: each one of the girls survives a horror and suddenly 642 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: they realize somebody wants them dead. They were the victims 643 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:39,600 Speaker 1: of three separate tragedies. Okay, the only way that they're 644 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 1: bound together is what they went through, the similar trauma 645 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: of having been through that. Right. Well, Riley, question to you, 646 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,600 Speaker 1: where do you get the ideas about torturing young girls? 647 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 1: I can't help but ask, well, I don't see it 648 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,840 Speaker 1: as torture and young girls. I see it as showing 649 00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:08,800 Speaker 1: their empowerment. Empowerment with basically a serial murder in the background. Uh. Well, 650 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,480 Speaker 1: in the three final girls, of course they were. The 651 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 1: tragedies are separated. But how do these ideas come to you? 652 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm in there's nobody missing in your apartment complex. There's that. 653 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: If there is, I didn't do it, Alan, get on it. Wait, wait, 654 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: let me let me get this straight. The ideas just 655 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,120 Speaker 1: quote come to you? Because if I had you on 656 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: a cross examination so much like the dream O. J. 657 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:40,920 Speaker 1: Simpson had the ideas just come to you? What a 658 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:46,319 Speaker 1: phenomena alminous is If you're clairvoyant, Riley Sager, when did 659 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,040 Speaker 1: the ideas come to you? Are you asleep? And you 660 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: wake up. Are you driving down the road? What? Um? 661 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: Part of my writing process is really just allow myself 662 00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,560 Speaker 1: thinking time where I just sit in a comfy chair 663 00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: with a of coffee and a pen and paper and 664 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,399 Speaker 1: just think about what fascinates me. What do I want 665 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:13,239 Speaker 1: to spend a year writing? What? What I what could 666 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,160 Speaker 1: make a really interesting, suspenseful book. And with the last 667 00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,879 Speaker 1: time I lied, one of the things that inspired me 668 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,120 Speaker 1: was it's a It's a classic movie from Australia called 669 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:28,279 Speaker 1: Picnic at Hanging Rock and it's about girls at an 670 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: all girls school in the outback who go to a 671 00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: place called Hanging Rock and they vanish and there are 672 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:40,239 Speaker 1: no answers. The movie doesn't tell you what happened to them. 673 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,759 Speaker 1: Riley Sager, you're freaking me out just a tiny bit. 674 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,759 Speaker 1: Are you sure anybody's missing? What's in your apartment complex? 675 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,160 Speaker 1: You know I can find out, Riley, You might as 676 00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:50,680 Speaker 1: well tell me the true I put my neighbor on 677 00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: the phone, No, because I know that's How do I 678 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,960 Speaker 1: know that's your neighbor, not somebody bound and gagged in 679 00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:01,239 Speaker 1: your basement? I mean I don't know. Okay, So you're 680 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: telling me Alan checking out? Make sure anybody's missing in 681 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: his apartment complex. So how long did it take you 682 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,760 Speaker 1: to write the Last Time I Lied? It was about 683 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,640 Speaker 1: a year. In between finishing Final Girls and the publication 684 00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 1: of Final Girls, I had a lot of time to 685 00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,440 Speaker 1: work on my next book, and I spent a lot 686 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 1: of time trying to figure out what kind of creepy 687 00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:25,919 Speaker 1: things are happening at this creepy camp and the middle 688 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,640 Speaker 1: of the forest. Well, there goes the children's My children's 689 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,640 Speaker 1: chance to go into camp next summer. That is just 690 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: not going to happen, and certainly not to camp nightingale U. 691 00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,080 Speaker 1: So question to you, I apologize to them because you 692 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: will not be sending them to camp after going to 693 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,399 Speaker 1: camp anytime soon. Let me ask you a question. So 694 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,480 Speaker 1: we have Emma in this Last Time I Lied and 695 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: Quincy and Final Girls. Are they different? Do you do 696 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,799 Speaker 1: they have the same type of personality and how did 697 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: you create that personality? Well? I like to look at 698 00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:02,920 Speaker 1: what happened to them in the past, these traumatic events, 699 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:08,279 Speaker 1: and see how they shaped them. For Emma, she's a 700 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,600 Speaker 1: painter and one of the things she does is she 701 00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: paints the girls who went missing from her cabin. That's 702 00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: the first thing she paints on her canvases, and then 703 00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: she covers them up with abstract views of forests and 704 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,279 Speaker 1: lakes and trees, and that sort of her way of 705 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,240 Speaker 1: sort of trying to process her grief and this feeling 706 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: of guilt that she has about their disappearance and not 707 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: knowing what happened at them. The book is really all 708 00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: about what does a person do when they don't have 709 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,319 Speaker 1: answers and at what lengths will they go to to 710 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,440 Speaker 1: find those answers, And the main crux then for Emma 711 00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,719 Speaker 1: is getting answers about what happened to her friends that night, 712 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: no matter the cost. Segar, author of bestseller Final Girls, 713 00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:09,440 Speaker 1: new blockbuster coming out today, The Last Time I Lied, 714 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:15,760 Speaker 1: Riley Seger, I mean this in the most complimentary fashion. 715 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,440 Speaker 1: You are one freaky dude man, and I cannot wait 716 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: to read this book, and you have to promise me 717 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,959 Speaker 1: something that you will join me when your next book 718 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,440 Speaker 1: comes out, because I'm sure it will be even freak here. 719 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm working on it now and I'm trying. I'm really trying, 720 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:37,399 Speaker 1: but right now, let me log onto Amazon right now 721 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,240 Speaker 1: and get The Last Time I Lied. Nancy Grace Crime Story, 722 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend. 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