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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen days and counting a double killer on the loose.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Daniello Cavalcante is on the run. With an

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Speaker 2: added twist, now he's got a gun. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us

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Speaker 2: here at Fox Station at series XM one eleven. First

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Speaker 2: of all, take a listen to our friends at ABC.

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Speaker 3: State Police say escape murder of Danello Calvalcante is now armed.

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Speaker 4: They're pursuing him in a rural area of northern Chester County.

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Speaker 5: Action News has learned a homeowner in East Natmeil Township

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Speaker 5: shot at someone matching Cavalcante's description, prompting a flurry of

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Speaker 5: police responds. Late last night and into the morning hours.

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Speaker 6: A new sighting of convicted killer Daniello Cavalcante, police say

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Speaker 6: now has a weapon. Overnight, State police chasing the escape

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Speaker 6: convict in South Coventry Township, Pennsylvania, where police have told

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Speaker 6: residents to remain inside and locked doors and windows, saying

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Speaker 6: quote Cavalcante is armed with the weapon. Scanner audio appearing

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Speaker 6: to describe a sighting.

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Speaker 7: Hispanic now roughly thirty years of age, crying foot currently

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Speaker 7: shared in loop Hans subjects known to have a twenty

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Speaker 7: two cut off rifle with a scope in a flashlight.

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Speaker 3: And they're telling residents to keep their doors and their

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Speaker 3: windows locked as the search continues. Law enforcement has now

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Speaker 3: flooded the area in South Coventry Township looking for thirty

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Speaker 3: four year old Danello Cavalcante.

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Speaker 2: You could see the armored vehicle coming.

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Speaker 3: Up the street last night shortly after before two.

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Speaker 2: Our friends at ABC and NBCN Now for CBS listen.

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Speaker 8: A shelter in place order went out to community Kinchester

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Speaker 8: County in the last hour. Police are swarming an area

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Speaker 8: after a possible signing a short time ago of escape

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Speaker 8: prisoner Danello Cavalcante. Right now, residents are calling nine one

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Speaker 8: one saying they're hearing gunshots near French Creek Elementary School

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Speaker 8: on Coventryville Road. The manhunt for a couple of conte

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Speaker 8: is now in its twelfth day and major developments appear

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Speaker 8: to be unfolding at this very hour.

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Speaker 2: Now day thirteen, with me an all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now? Why can't

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Speaker 2: we catch this double killer? Keep in mind, this guy

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Speaker 2: has already shot someone dead in Brazil, his native homeland.

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Speaker 2: He lives in the jungle for weeks before he makes

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Speaker 2: his way believe it or not, to Puerto Rico. But

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Speaker 2: Puerto Rico was not the prize. The prize was the

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Speaker 2: United States America, and he gets here as an illegal immigrant.

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Speaker 2: He gets in, finds a community that speaks Portuguese, and

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Speaker 2: shacks up with a woman, a girlfriend, until he murders her,

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Speaker 2: stabbing an alleged thirty eight times, killing her in front

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Speaker 2: of her two children. So we know this guy adopts

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Speaker 2: different mos modus operandi I'm metal operation, depending on the circumstances.

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Speaker 2: We know he can shoot to kill, and now he's

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Speaker 2: got a gun. All Star panel joining me. But first

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Speaker 2: to Eddie cadem with Fox twenty nine in Philly. Eddie,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How did this guy

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Speaker 2: get a gun hold on? I may know a little

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Speaker 2: bit about that. Take listen to our cut A.

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Speaker 9: Teams are currently being rotated out and replaced with fresh

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Speaker 9: teams aviation assets can.

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Speaker 10: I don't believe so, sir. I think at that point

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Speaker 10: he was being pushed by the teams that were pursuing

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Speaker 10: him from the original sighting. I think it was my

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Speaker 10: opinion I believe it was a crime of opportunity. I

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Speaker 10: think he went in there truck, probably trying to hide the.

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Speaker 11: Garage door was open.

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Speaker 10: He didn't, I believe, recognize is that the owner was

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Speaker 2: So he got in through a garage door. Eddie catuen

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Speaker 2: with me again and as to get a reporter Fox

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Speaker 2: twenty nine. Eddie, what's happening the garage door that Cavalcante

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Speaker 2: allegedly entered, Well, you know what, we know we entered

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Speaker 2: it and he got a gun and did I get

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Speaker 2: saw it off twenty two?

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Speaker 12: That's right, Nancy sawed off twenty two. It appears this

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Speaker 12: man in his eighties was in his garage. Caval Kante

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Speaker 12: walked up to him. Didn't know that the man in

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Speaker 12: the garage, the homeowner, had a pistol at least either

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Speaker 12: And that's when you hear those shots. We just hearted

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Speaker 12: those shots getting fired, shots getting fired. The homeowner started

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Speaker 12: of the driveway when they got there.

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Speaker 2: Hold on, Eddie Cadum, the rest of us are mere mortals.

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Speaker 2: You got to back it up just a moment. Wait

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Speaker 2: a minute, I just had that. You remember when you

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Speaker 2: hear a big truck backing up here? The bee be beat.

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Speaker 2: I'm baping right now. I'm drinking out of the fire,

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Speaker 2: Haugiant with you too much at once? Just start again, Okay.

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Speaker 2: So he walks into a guy and on a guy

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Speaker 2: with the garage door open, the guy in his eighties.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't harm the guy.

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Speaker 12: What happens the homeowner, I guess, realizes who he is.

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Speaker 12: He goes to grab his twenty two rifle. Does grab it?

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Speaker 12: Cavalcante does. The homeowner then starts shooting at him. And

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Speaker 12: that's the shots that we're hearing. That's the shots that

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Speaker 12: were coming out and reports that were right near school districts.

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Speaker 12: Obviously with all of this going on, scaring people, and

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Speaker 12: he was shooting at Cavalcanti. Unfortunately terrible to say, I

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Speaker 12: guess it's not terrible to say anymore. But he didn't

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Speaker 12: hit him. He got away again. Now they have a

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Speaker 2: At this point, we how did Cavalcanti get the gun?

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Speaker 2: It was in the garage, so there were two guns

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Speaker 2: in the garage. The eighty year old realizes it's cavalcante

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Speaker 2: and grabs the gun and starts shooting, and somehow and

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Speaker 2: all that Calvalcanti gets a second gun.

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Speaker 12: That's what it sounds like from police chef.

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Speaker 2: Eddie Catum Fox twenty nine, are absolutely correct. Listen to

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Speaker 2: LA law enforcement right now.

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Speaker 10: He didn't, I believe, recognize that the owner was in there,

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Speaker 10: and I think he was probably looking for a place

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Speaker 10: to hide, ran for that garage, saw the firearm grab

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Speaker 10: that encountered the homeowner, and fled with the firearm.

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Speaker 2: So, Eddie Catum, Fox twenty nine, you're right, Calvalcanti was

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Speaker 2: not shot, because this morning there seems to be a

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Speaker 2: lot of confusion. Has he been hit or not? But

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Speaker 2: apparently no, he has not been hit. Guys again with

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Speaker 2: me an all star panel to make sense of what

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Speaker 2: we know right now with me founder director of the

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Speaker 2: Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum. You can find her

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Speaker 2: it coldcasecrimet Or and she's host of a Hitney series

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Speaker 2: Zone seven podcast. Cheryl, sounds like the guy was trying

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Speaker 2: to find a place to stay, and I don't like

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Speaker 2: the idea of him being out with the sawd off

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Speaker 13: That is a great concern.

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Speaker 14: But like we talked about yesterday, I.

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Speaker 13: Firmly believed he was going to do something overtly. He's

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Speaker 13: running out of options. I can tell you that garage

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Speaker 13: light was illuminated, so he knew he saw what he wanted.

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Speaker 13: He went all the way in and went for that weapon.

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Speaker 13: I don't think he was looking for a place to stay.

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Speaker 13: I'm going to tell you like I did yesterday, he

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Speaker 13: needs food, he needs clothes, he needs a weapon, he

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Speaker 13: needs a vehicle.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can we just analyze what you just said when

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Speaker 2: he saw the light in the garage, there was no

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Speaker 2: way unless he's telepathic, a clairvoyant Cheryl McCollum, that he

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Speaker 2: could know that there was a gun, a rifle of

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Speaker 2: some sort, leanda up against against the wall. So why

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Speaker 2: did he go in with me? An all star panel?

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to go now to IRV Brandt, Senior Inspector,

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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service International Investigations Chief Inspector DOJ. He's been

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Speaker 2: all over the world to boil it down looking for fugitives.

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Speaker 2: seems to me like he's looking for a place to hide.

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Speaker 2: I'm curious about the fact that he leaves his sweatshirt

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Speaker 2: or shirt behind. Maybe it's because he knew he had

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Speaker 2: already been spotted in that sweatshirt, and we all know

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Speaker 2: he was wearing a green hoodie. But I think he

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Speaker 2: went in there for a place to hide out. It's

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Speaker 2: a garage, the lights on, then he sees twenty two

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Speaker 2: sawt off.

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Speaker 11: That's correct, Nancy, it was. I believe it was a

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Speaker 11: target of opportunity. When he first went in there, like

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Speaker 11: you said, he was probably looking for either a place

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Speaker 11: to hide a vehicle to steal. Then when he saw

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Speaker 11: the weapon opportunity right there, went for the weapon, didn't

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Speaker 11: realize the homeowner was in the garage. The homeowner fired

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Speaker 11: at him, so he ran off. This is about the

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Speaker 11: worst case scenario, the type of the weapon that he got.

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Speaker 11: I told you yesterday, eventually he was going to get

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Speaker 2: A weapon, Yeah, you did say that.

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Speaker 11: Unfortunately, he got a hold of a rifle with a scope.

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Speaker 11: Now police believed that he is in a wooded area,

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Speaker 11: which is great. He's away from civilians in the area.

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Speaker 11: But the advantage is all his. Now it's going to

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Speaker 11: take a while. Reporters are going to be on the police.

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Speaker 11: Why is it taking so long? Why is it taking

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Speaker 11: so long? And it's because they have to move so

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Speaker 11: slowly because the advantage of his he's hiding, they're not.

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Speaker 11: He's going to see him coming. They can't see him.

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Speaker 11: He has a rifle with a scope. There is a

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Speaker 11: very high potential for law enforcements to take casualties. Now

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Speaker 11: they signed on for that job. They're going to do

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Speaker 2: Eddie Cadum joining US investigator Report of Fox twenty nine. Eddie,

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Speaker 2: if you can give me an estimate how far was

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Speaker 2: And what do you mean by that? A mile? Two miles?

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Speaker 12: File two miles would be accurate. Yeah, and his last

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Speaker 12: sighting was near where the van was found, the van

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Speaker 12: that he had stolen from the dairy farm in Longwood

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Speaker 12: Gardens and drove I don't know. Fifteen twenty minutes away

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Speaker 11: Over the weekend.

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Speaker 12: That are about relatives his former work associates going to

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Speaker 12: bring doorbell cameras talking to them on there. They did

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Speaker 12: not help him, but from my sources and everything I've

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Speaker 12: been hearing, he's been desperate looking for help. I was

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Speaker 12: also told by sources inside he potentially had a phone.

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Speaker 12: They tracked some calls from where that van was dumped

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Speaker 12: on Sunday, so he either had a phone or still

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Speaker 12: has a phone, So he could have potentially been seeing

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Speaker 12: news updates this entire time as well and looking at

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Speaker 2: Why do you think he may have had a phone?

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Speaker 12: Sources inside inside the operation told.

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Speaker 2: Me that that he had a phone.

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Speaker 12: That there was phone calls made from where that van

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Speaker 12: was dumped, and it was in an area where they

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Speaker 12: don't believe other people would have been.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So that tells me and he either had a

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Speaker 2: phone on the inside of the jail where he escaped,

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Speaker 2: or he got one out of the vehicle that he

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Speaker 2: had stolen, the refrigerated van from the dairy farm.

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Speaker 12: Either he stole one or somebody's potentially helping him and

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Speaker 2: This tells me again, when you don't know what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen, you look at what has already happened. He's

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Speaker 3: The convicted murderer was first sponded last night within a

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Speaker 2: Wow, with a mag and a scope. You were right

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Speaker 2: or brand joining us right now? You know him well.

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Speaker 2: is so called Turtleman, given name Chris Adams. He is

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Speaker 2: Chris Adams, thank you for being with us. You are

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Speaker 15: Well, Let's first start off by saying this guy is

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Speaker 15: He's an opportunist, which is how he found the gun,

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Speaker 2: But you know, Chris Adams, from the last home that

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Speaker 2: So let me go back to your expertise. How are

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Speaker 15: Well, it's like I told you when we went out

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Speaker 15: and that's what I know, and I can survive there.

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Speaker 15: But vice versa. If you took me and threw me

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Speaker 15: It's hilly, it's got creeks, it gets cooler at night.

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Speaker 15: You're not dealing with the same animals, You're not dealing

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking about something you said, and I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Jackie's telling me the tempts are down to fifty eight.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure it's just fifty eight? Okay? Doctor Michelle

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Speaker 2: author of Money, Mischief and Murder. The Murdog sagon the

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Speaker 2: to me what the turtleman Chris Adams was just saying

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Speaker 14: Well, Nancy, yes it can be, and it all depends

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Speaker 14: Well, your body is going to accelerate and become more

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Speaker 2: Okay, got it? Dupri How long can you go without water?

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Speaker 2: How long can you go without food?

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Speaker 14: A body can only go about three days without water.

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Speaker 2: And Chris Adams, so called turtle man survival expert, what

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Speaker 15: You can get all types of bacteria out of that

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Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait for the chemicals to kill him,

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Speaker 2: Three days? So Chris Adams, the chemicals from Philly aren't

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Speaker 15: That he can. But it's those same streams and rivers

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Speaker 15: You're up on top of a mountain drinking from a

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Speaker 2: Okay, got you, I understand. Matthew Mangino is former felony

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Speaker 2: what kind of terrain is this in? Eddie Catum, Jump in, man,

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Speaker 2: this is not Tea at Windsor Castle. How many times

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Speaker 2: What's the terrain? I've got Jackie over here waving an

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Speaker 16: I mean, this is this isn't Philadelphia, this is this

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Speaker 16: He's been on the run for thirteen days. So this

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Speaker 16: You know, I think this is an extremely dangerous situation

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Speaker 2: Now, Eddie Cadam, according to Matthew Mangino, the lawyer who

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Speaker 12: Fancy this area? I mean, me and my photographer were

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Speaker 12: There is communities surrounded by woods where there's farms, there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, where did he get that backpack? I've seen video

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Speaker 12: So's you have to take that from somewhere.

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing doctor Bethany Marshall jumping in. Doctor Bethany is

434
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Speaker 2: renowned psycho analyst joining us out of Beverly Hills at

435
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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Hey doctor Bethany, hold it.

436
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Speaker 2: Hold your thought. You do that a lot better than

437
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Speaker 2: I do. And I'm going to circle back to Chris Adams,

438
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Speaker 2: joining US survival expert, what do you make of what

439
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: you've just heard about the terrain, the fruit, trees, the

440
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 2: fresh water.

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Speaker 15: Like I said, the dude is utilizing an urban environment.

442
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 15: This guy's not drinking out of a creek or a

443
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Speaker 15: stream or pond. He's going in somebody's backyard and drinking

444
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 15: from a water hose. He's filling up a water bottle.

445
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 15: He picked up them. We're in a ditch. He's utilizing

446
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 15: urban environments for his survival. He may be hiding us

447
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,840
Speaker 15: on a heel, but he's coming and going in the night.

448
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Speaker 2: You're telling me something I've never thought of, Chris Adams,

449
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 2: utilizing the urban environment yet in a heavily wooded area.

450
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Speaker 2: Explain that thinking it reminds me of the bears that

451
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: you catch on video going to somebody's kitchen and they

452
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: get food, then they leave. What do you mean utilizing

453
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Speaker 2: an urban environment?

454
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Speaker 15: Humans are no different than wildlife. In many cases, when

455
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 15: they're pressured by authorities and chased by law enforcement, they're going.

456
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Speaker 11: To go for what's easy.

457
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Speaker 15: They're not going to chew out in existence in some

458
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:40,159
Speaker 15: wild place. They may utilize it for their concealment. But

459
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 15: they're going to go find things of ease. They're going

460
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 15: to hunt those canned foods in somebody's pantry. They're going

461
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 15: to go in somebody's garage and take a backpack or

462
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Speaker 15: a hammer or whatever tool they need. And in this case,

463
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Speaker 15: it was a twenty two rifle with a scope.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl, Why did you get rid of his shoes.

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Speaker 14: Because he stole boots. He has brand new solid footwear.

466
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Speaker 13: Nail to continue what he's doing. Listen, we are day thirteen.

467
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Speaker 13: Why has he stayed in the area even when he

468
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Speaker 13: stole a van, he stayed there. He stayed there.

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Speaker 2: Well, we think he was running out of gas in

470
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Speaker 2: that dairy van, that refrigerated van, and plays get real

471
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 2: like that's not a moving target, a refrigerated dairy van.

472
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: But actually he did manage to break the perimeter. Even

473
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Speaker 2: ding driving a refrigerated dairy van. He still got away.

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Speaker 12: So I've got some info on that too.

475
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Speaker 2: There was this Eddie Yeah, this is Eddie yeah ohead.

476
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Speaker 12: On Sunday talking to my sources, there was a three

477
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Speaker 12: hour gap, which was really crucial in all this, from

478
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Speaker 12: where they believe the van was left to where the

479
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Speaker 12: van was found. So three hours is a long time

480
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Speaker 12: for somebody when it's twenty miles away from where you

481
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 12: thought he was prior to now set up a new

482
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Speaker 12: search perimeter. So that really put kind of a wedge

483
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Speaker 12: in all of the plans, I feel like for law enforcement.

484
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 12: So that was Sunday. But now fast forward to last

485
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 12: night and now today with these positive sightings. What I

486
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 12: was hearing from the sources too, was that they thought

487
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 12: he was gone on Sunday night, Sunday night before my

488
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 12: live shot. I'm here if he got in that three

489
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Speaker 12: hour window. Now it's been thirteen hours and we haven't

490
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 12: had a positive sighting, this guy could be in Florida

491
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 12: by now. I'm glad that's not the case. That's what

492
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 12: I thought it was. But I'm glad that is about

493
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 12: the case. Obviously.

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Speaker 2: Could you one more time explain to us the three

495
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Speaker 2: hour gap and why you find that significant, Eddie, Yeah,

496
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Speaker 2: no problem.

497
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Speaker 12: So they the way they knew that he had the

498
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 12: van was from the ring camera footage. They found out

499
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Speaker 12: that he had a van, So now he's mobile.

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Speaker 2: Right rain camera footage from where he.

501
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Speaker 12: Went to some former associated work associates, I guess from

502
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 12: a long time ago, and when he went there, and

503
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 12: was pleading with them to help him, and they didn't

504
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 12: help him when they realized he had the van. So

505
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 12: from there they knew that they had a bolo out

506
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 12: for the van. Right now, the search is on for

507
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 12: the van. They get the van to hopefully get him.

508
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 12: The problem is they find the van at seven am.

509
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 12: This is hours after he was in Phoenixville going to

510
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 12: these people's houses. Once they find the van, it's been

511
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 12: three hours from when they believed it was dumped. So

512
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 12: he's on foot or there was some people saying potentially

513
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 12: he got picked up, but I don't believe that's the

514
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 12: case now because he stayed in the area unless by

515
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 12: all indications he isn't a very dumb criminal.

516
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: So basically, he had three hours to do whatever he wanted,

517
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 2: and he had a vehicle. Okay. Also, Jackie the note

518
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: regarding his shoes.

519
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: His shoes got wet and muddy, and if you listened

520
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 3: from the other report, a helicopter spotted him in the field.

521
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 2: He had taken his shoes off.

522
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Speaker 3: The helicopter spotted him and he.

523
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Speaker 2: Took off, So he took off bearfoot. He would have

524
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: had to. He didn't have shoes at that point. Why

525
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: would he have done that Chris Adams.

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Speaker 15: Well, I'm around off of what Eddie said. He's a

527
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 15: dumb criminal, but he's a basic survivalist. At least he

528
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 15: has the basic skill set to survive. But what moron

529
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 15: runs off without shoes and it's going to drop temperature

530
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 15: at night?

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Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, what about this? They caught him

532
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 2: in an aerial helicopter and he is taking his shoes off.

533
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 2: What could he do but run? Okay? Joining me right

534
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: now is renown psychoanalyst doctor Bethany Marshall. With all of

535
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 2: this knowledge, doctor Bethany, what do you think?

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Speaker 17: Well, I think we have to remember that the mode

537
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 17: of homicide, which is that he stabbed his girlfriend, was

538
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 17: at thirty seven times in front of.

539
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: Her chol thirty eight times.

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Speaker 17: Thirty eight times. So this tells me that he has

541
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 17: enormous amounts of energy and he's very impulsive. So everyone's

542
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 17: saying dumb criminal, I'm saying impulsive criminal. I mean he

543
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 17: went through an open garage door.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think he's dumb. I just want to tell you,

545
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't think this guy's He's managed to get away

546
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 2: from Brazil, live in the jungles, come to Puerto Rico.

547
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Speaker 12: Survive there, and I said, I think he's not a

548
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 12: dumb criminal.

549
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, right, I thought that's what you said. But

550
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: this guy is anything but dumb. Go go ahead.

551
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 17: But so, rage combined with impulsivity raises a person's potential

552
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 17: for homicide or suicide. That's one of the things we

553
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 17: know in my field. So because they're not thinking very clearly.

554
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Speaker 17: So he ran into a garage with an open door,

555
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Speaker 17: and I'm very curious about that. When the garage door

556
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Speaker 17: was opened with the light.

557
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Speaker 13: On or off?

558
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: Eddie, I think it was on, wasn't it.

559
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 12: Somebody was saying earlier that it was on.

560
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead.

561
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Speaker 17: Why run through an open garage door with the light on.

562
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Speaker 17: I mean, obviously he can see what's inside, But that's

563
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 17: very impulsive to me. He could have hit out, he

564
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 17: could have waited till.

565
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 2: The guy well, we know he did not think anyone

566
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 2: was in the garage. He was surprised when the homeowner

567
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 2: popped out and had a weapon, and he took off

568
00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: when the homeowner started firing at him. Right, I think

569
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: he's stalking neighborhoods to find a way in and he

570
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 2: sees the garage door opened.

571
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Speaker 15: I will say that impulse leads to a lack of

572
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 15: caution when it comes to things. He is not at

573
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 15: all being cautious in this case, and that raises his.

574
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Speaker 17: Legality for the neighborhoods he's in, you know, because he's

575
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 17: in this smash a window, he's going to grab something

576
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 17: from somebody. This guy is not thinking very far into

577
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 17: the future. He does not have cause and effect thinking.

578
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 17: He is just in the moment, and that's what makes

579
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 17: him so scary. And so if I were people in

580
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 17: this neighborhood, I'd be pretty frightened and wanting to batten

581
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 17: down the hatchet.

582
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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

583
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Speaker 2: Okay, question regarding the sowd off. Sawing off the barrel

584
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: reduces thevelocity, but it makes the sawed off much easier

585
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: to handle and to conceal. And I believe he still

586
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: has a backpack. A twenty two sawed off will absolutely

587
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: fit in that backpack. Eddie Kadam, Is he's still carrying

588
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: the backpack?

589
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 15: That is a good question.

590
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 12: I am not sure. In the last sightings he had

591
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 12: he didn't have it on him in the hoodie.

592
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: What's his last description, Eddie Katum, Is he wearing a shirt.

593
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 2: Has he changed pants?

594
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 12: No shirt, pants, And obviously he's clean shaven now when

595
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 12: he had broken out, he had a beard and things

596
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 12: like that. But those images are all over the place.

597
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 12: We've got him on Fox STU and either they're everywhere,

598
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 12: but these images are from Sunday, so two days ago now.

599
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 12: But that green hoodie, don't be looking for that anymore.

600
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Speaker 12: And because that was dumped at at the bottom of

601
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 12: the of the driveway, so and something that we haven't

602
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 12: touched on yet. This is an important fact though, and

603
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 12: it's been something they've been mentioning a lot. He is

604
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 12: a very small man. He's five foot one and twenty pounds,

605
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 12: so he'll stick out physically, if that makes sense.

606
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:24,240
Speaker 2: Interesting he knows to discard clothing that we have already identified. Guys,

607
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: take a listen our cut forty four. This is Lieutenant

608
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Speaker 2: Colonel George Bivens.

609
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Speaker 9: I'd like to address a message to anyone who may

610
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 9: have already offered assistance or is contemplating assisting Cavalcante in

611
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Speaker 9: any way. We will prosecute you fully for those actions. Alternatively,

612
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Speaker 9: I would suggest that you are in a position to

613
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 9: help facilitate the safe capture of Cavalcante. If you choose

614
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 9: to assist us, you could be eligible for some or

615
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 9: all of the reward that has been offered for Cavalcante's capture.

616
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 9: As a matter of fact, I'm announcing today that Chester

617
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 9: County has increased the amount of reward they are offering

618
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 9: by another five thousand dollars. That brings the total reward

619
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Speaker 9: offered up to twenty five thousand dollars for information that

620
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 9: leads to the capture of Cavalcante.

621
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Speaker 2: Do we believe that people are actually helping him? First

622
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: comes to mind the sister, the sister that was detained

623
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 2: by Ice.

624
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 18: Listen, the sister is an overstay and she chose not

625
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 18: to not to assist, and because of being in an

626
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 18: overstay status, she has been entered into a deportation proceeding

627
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 18: and is being detained at this time.

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Speaker 11: She has not assisted.

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Speaker 9: I'm cautioning people preemptively, and yes, we are monitoring. We're

630
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 9: monitoring for any possible help in a variety of ways.

631
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Speaker 18: And so what I would tell you.

632
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 9: Is that if we detect assistance, that will be prosecuted.

633
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Speaker 2: Does that mean they have his cell phone number? That

634
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: would not be hard to obtain if he has called

635
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: people for help. But Cheryl McCollum, are we getting the truth?

636
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 2: Did she help and they're covering the fact up or

637
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 2: did she not help Nancy?

638
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 13: There's only one reason he has stayed in that area,

639
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 13: either because somebody was helping him or fixing to try

640
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,799
Speaker 13: to get some things together to help him. He believed that,

641
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 13: or he would be ghosts from that area.

642
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 7: He would have.

643
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 13: Taken that van and driven fifty miles, stolen another car,

644
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,319
Speaker 13: driven one hundred miles, stolen another car. Herv Brandt knows

645
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 13: what I'm talking about. By him staying in that perimeter,

646
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 13: he either believed somebody's going to give him money, new ideas,

647
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 13: or some type of help. I firmly believe, like I

648
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 13: said yesterday, when she was picked up, he had no

649
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 13: choice but to now do something overt get a weapon,

650
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 13: get a hostage, to get a vehicle. That's what you're

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Speaker 13: going to see next if they don't find him.

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Speaker 2: IRV Brandt predict surel marks truth.

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Speaker 11: He's living in the moment. He's his plans are changing

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Speaker 11: by the second, and now he's based with very limited options.

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Speaker 11: The options being hidden in the woods to wait for

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Speaker 11: the hunt dogs to sniff them out, which eventually they

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Speaker 11: will and fight it out with the police, or he's

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Speaker 11: going to which sadly, I fear this is the gonna happen.

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Speaker 11: It's going to be a home invasion, it's going to

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Speaker 11: be a hostage situation. It's going to be a barricaded gunman,

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Speaker 11: and we all know how that's going to end.

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Speaker 2: Matthew men Gino, I part he's going to get a car,

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Speaker 2: and it may be by entering someone's home in order

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Speaker 2: to get the keys, unless he knows how to hot

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Speaker 2: wire it. But I think that's his next move based

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Speaker 2: on what we've already seen, and.

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Speaker 12: I think too with as far as how and things

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Speaker 12: like that, the investigators have been keeping it very close

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Speaker 12: to the vest whether or not people have been helping

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Speaker 12: him or not. They haven't been saying they Every time

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Speaker 12: the question is asked. The responses were not revealing that

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Speaker 12: part of the investigation. And I think the speaker before

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Speaker 12: me saying that the reason he did stick around is

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Speaker 12: because he thinks he can get help is probably spot on, honestly,

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Speaker 12: and I don't think he's getting it. That's what law

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Speaker 12: enforcement has been saying, is he's been looking for help.

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Speaker 12: He's been going to these former coworkers who they say

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Speaker 12: barely do him, we're not even that friendly with him,

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Speaker 12: and going to their house expecting them to help him

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Speaker 12: and they're saying no, and they're reaching out to police,

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Speaker 12: and so I think he's trying to build a network.

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Speaker 12: But honestly, what does this guy have to offer you

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Speaker 12: other than getting you arrested or.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you're looking down the wrong end of a

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Speaker 2: twenty two thought off, I think he can offer you

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Speaker 2: live for death. So that's something to keep in mind,

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Speaker 2: doctor Bethany.

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Speaker 17: I think he had less so that he has a

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Speaker 17: person there, and more that he has a supply of something,

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Speaker 17: like he's found a window he can get into, a

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Speaker 17: home he can get access to. Remember, this is the

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Speaker 17: survival instinct is stronger than any other instinct. We have

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Speaker 17: the instinct to live, the instinct to get away from danger,

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Speaker 17: the instinct towards self preservation. And that drove the desperation

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Speaker 17: to get to the old colleague who he imagined would

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Speaker 17: help him. But also I think he probably has a

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Speaker 17: source somewhere where it's easy. It's like low hanging fruit

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Speaker 17: in terms of getting supplies. But that's going to be

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Speaker 17: short lived because somebody is going to be coming back

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Speaker 17: from a vacation, or he's going to be discovered and

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Speaker 17: then he'll be on the run again.

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Speaker 14: Doctor d Free Well, yes, I agree with what others

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Speaker 14: that say this is going to end in a bad situation.

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Speaker 14: He is likely going to go into a home invasion

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Speaker 14: and because he has no choice, he has nothing to

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Speaker 14: lose at this point, So it's just not going to

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Speaker 14: turn out well.

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Speaker 15: And to you, Chris Adams, I have to agree and

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Speaker 15: I'm standing firm in my opinion that we're giving this

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Speaker 15: man too much credit as being intelligent. He is acting

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Speaker 15: out of nothing more than desperation. Is staying in this

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Speaker 15: area because he's familiar with the opportunity there. He's not

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Speaker 15: going to go elsewhere and just throwing caution into the wind.

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Speaker 15: He's about to start slipping up more and more. And

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Speaker 15: I do believe that. I mean, we're probably closer to

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Speaker 15: apprehending the guy than we were two days ago.

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Speaker 2: I only hope it happens without more deaths Eddie cade

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Speaker 2: Of joining US investigative reporter Fox twenty nine. If he

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Speaker 2: gets a vehicle, which is what I think his next

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Speaker 2: move is going to be. I think that's why he

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Speaker 2: went into a car garage to get a car. Where

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Speaker 2: would he head? He seems to be going north.

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Speaker 12: That is a good question. He has obviously had some

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Speaker 12: family here, he has ties here that might be potentially

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Speaker 12: why he hasn't left the area. And when I say here,

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Speaker 12: I mean Phoenixville area, which is half an hour forty

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Speaker 12: five minutes away from Philadelphia, north of Philadelphia. So he's

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Speaker 12: been floating around that area and the fact that he

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Speaker 12: hasn't left is concerning, but also I guess encouraging. I

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Speaker 12: want to say, because it looks like he could have

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Speaker 12: you know, it looks like he could when he.

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Speaker 2: Had that van.

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Speaker 12: He had the potential to even get out of Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 12: but he didn't. So at least they know a general area.

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Speaker 12: They said two miles and three miles north or eastern,

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Speaker 12: three miles east and west. Two miles north and south

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Speaker 12: is where they think he is right now.

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Speaker 2: If you have information, call us Marshalls toll free eight

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Speaker 2: seven seven nine two six eight three three two repeat

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Speaker 2: eight seven seven nine two six eight three three two.

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Speaker 2: There is a twenty five thousand dollars reward. Goodbye friend.

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Speaker 9: You