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Speaker 2: Welcome to our Bloomberg television and radio audiences. I'm here
Speaker 2: in Redmend, Washington with Microsoft CEO Sacha Nadala with some
Speaker 2: big unveilings at Build today.
Speaker 1: Sacha, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2: You've got a new version of Windows powered by AI
Speaker 2: that basically means you have your own AI agent on
Speaker 2: your own device. How will this AI powered hardware experience
Speaker 2: be totally different from what we've seen before?
Speaker 3: First, well, thank you so much for having me Emily
Speaker 3: end up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's really a ground up, you know,
Speaker 4: reimagination from Silicon So we have a new SoC that
Speaker 4: has the NPU. So think about it as we've always
Speaker 4: had CPUs and GPUs and now you have newler processing
Speaker 4: units to in fact locally process these AI models. We
Speaker 4: have forty plus AI models that are local.
Speaker 3: On Window.
Speaker 4: Those machines that then are being used by a variety
Speaker 4: of experiences that we are built into Windows, starting with
Speaker 4: this photographic memory feature called Recall, which is just phenomenal.
Speaker 4: And of course Copilot is built in to Windows and
Speaker 4: Copilot is just not an app, it's sort of a
Speaker 4: shell affordance that's going to be there assisting you as
Speaker 4: you be. Showed a demo of somebody playing Minecraft, and
Speaker 4: you know me just sharing my Minecraft screen with Copilot,
Speaker 4: and Copilot helps me finally me as competitive with my
Speaker 4: daughter on Minecraft has always dreamed of, right and so,
Speaker 4: and then of course the third parties, I mean, Adobe
Speaker 4: showed how they're take bringing all of what they do
Speaker 4: to Copilot plus PC's and many many more other developers.
Speaker 4: So it's an exciting day for us to have a
Speaker 4: complete rethink on the full stack of windows for the AI.
Speaker 2: Ah, I bet you're pretty good on Minecraft just a hunch.
Speaker 2: This new feature recall means your computer basically has a
Speaker 2: photographic memory of.
Speaker 1: Everything you do on it.
Speaker 2: And the speed at which this is all happening is
Speaker 2: just so fast. It seems so unpressed. How will this
Speaker 2: really make things different for consumers and change our daily routines?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if you think about the PC, it
Speaker 4: has always been about you know, creating things right, which
Speaker 4: is it's about being able to synthesize lots of information,
Speaker 4: create new information, pass better judgment, gain insights, and act. Right,
Speaker 4: that's what you sort of do on a PC. AI
Speaker 4: is an assistant AI helps you, as a as an
Speaker 4: end user, do anything right. One of the most beautiful
Speaker 4: demos today was even this thing called co Create. Right.
Speaker 4: I am in paint and I'm painting a nice spring
Speaker 4: Seattle day and I want mountains with wildflowers, and I
Speaker 4: can now have the AI assistant that painter and me
Speaker 4: now can be inspired by AI. But ultimately I am
Speaker 4: the one painting and I get that satisfactor like I feel.
Speaker 4: One of the things that's been one of my coworkers
Speaker 4: was telling me when her five year old is saying,
Speaker 4: for the first time, give me designer time. That's what felt,
Speaker 4: you know, it feels like in the late eighties and
Speaker 4: the early nineties when we all got fell in love
Speaker 4: with PCs, that was what really gods going, which is
Speaker 4: the ability to use computers to create. And I think
Speaker 4: this AI is just going to take it to the
Speaker 4: next level.
Speaker 2: Microsoft has had trouble keeping up with some of the
Speaker 2: new cutting edge Max and you did do a lot
Speaker 2: of side by side comparisons today. Have you narrowed the
Speaker 2: gap today truly? And how much share do you think
Speaker 2: you can take from Apple?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think today was a day where
Speaker 4: we brought some of the efforts that we've had for
Speaker 4: a long time all into focus and really brought cohesiveness
Speaker 4: to them. For example, we've been on this journey to
Speaker 4: bring I call it arm based PCs for a while.
Speaker 4: Finally we now have the best ARM processors, which are
Speaker 4: really the performance of the CPU itself is cutting edge.
Speaker 4: Then you combine it with the NPU and these experiences.
Speaker 4: I think we are now going to start just like
Speaker 4: you know, when it comes to the cloud.
Speaker 3: Let me take you another one, right, which is.
Speaker 4: When we were We came from second and what became
Speaker 4: a leader in the AI age on the cloud.
Speaker 3: I hope on the PC we bring good competition. I mean,
Speaker 3: Apple has done a fantastic job.
Speaker 4: We now want to bring real competition back to the
Speaker 4: Windows versus Mac.
Speaker 3: When it comes to the aihe.
Speaker 2: You've been doing a lot of unique deals to move quickly,
Speaker 2: for example, this six hundred and fifty million dollar investment
Speaker 2: in Inflection.
Speaker 1: You hire the team, you hire the co founder, must
Speaker 1: office Suliman. Are you at all.
Speaker 2: Worried that regulators are going to crack down on investments
Speaker 2: and aqua hires the way they have cracked down on
Speaker 2: M and A like.
Speaker 1: Do you wish you could be buying these companies outright.
Speaker 4: I mean, look, I mean the regulators have to do
Speaker 4: what they have to do to make sure that ultimately
Speaker 4: there's competition, right, I mean, if that is the case,
Speaker 4: then I think I think one of the fundamental things
Speaker 4: that I think all regulators need to stay rounded on
Speaker 4: is where is competition?
Speaker 3: What are the sources of competition, and how.
Speaker 4: To foster them? To me, that's what we're doing right today.
Speaker 4: There is formidable amount of competition, right, whether it is
Speaker 4: between the big players or the small pla and there's
Speaker 4: partnerships are also a source of competition. So I don't
Speaker 4: think that this is about any one company acquiring or
Speaker 4: not acquiring, But it's about competition. And as long as
Speaker 4: regulators focused on that and we focus on it, I
Speaker 4: think we'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Microsoft just took a big stake in the Abu Dhabi
Speaker 2: AI company G forty two.
Speaker 1: Brad Smith joined the board.
Speaker 2: This is a company that at least at one point
Speaker 2: had ties to China. So there do seem to be
Speaker 2: some big geopolitical implications here.
Speaker 1: Is this your play in a tech cold war?
Speaker 4: You know, first of all, you know it is important
Speaker 4: for us to be grounded on the fact that we're
Speaker 4: a multinational company, but that also happens to be an
Speaker 4: American company. So we did this partnership with G forty
Speaker 4: two and the UAE, with sort of the real involvement
Speaker 4: of the US government as well, where the US government
Speaker 4: has now an assurance program with the UAE, which both
Speaker 4: the government, you know, it's a state to state agreement,
Speaker 4: and that allowed us in fact created the conditions for
Speaker 4: G forty.
Speaker 3: Two and Microsoft to come together.
Speaker 4: But I think it's important for us as a company
Speaker 4: to be grounded in the fact that we need great
Speaker 4: partners who then allow us to expand what we are
Speaker 4: doing globally, right because at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: one of my dreams has always been Emily that can
Speaker 4: the you know, the information revolution, perhaps after the Industrial
Speaker 4: Revolution was magical in the sense that it diffused fast
Speaker 4: around the world, but this intelligence revolution, to me, can
Speaker 4: even take it even to the next level, right, which
Speaker 4: is when people in the Middle East, or whether it's
Speaker 4: in Asia or Africa or Latin America can enjoy the
Speaker 4: benefits of this technological wave. That's not going to that's
Speaker 4: going to require real partnerships, And I'm very, very excited
Speaker 4: about this one.
Speaker 2: Open Ai is your closest partner in Microsoft hit history.
Speaker 2: They just released a chat GPT app for Mac before Windows,
Speaker 2: and we're reporting the same as going to happen for
Speaker 2: the iPhone. How do you balance partnering with them and
Speaker 2: competing for their attention?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: First of all, you know, like open Ai, you know,
Speaker 4: will decide how to prioritize platforms and and how to
Speaker 4: really go about managing their roadmap.
Speaker 3: Would be very excited.
Speaker 4: In fact, you know, I'm thrilled to you know today
Speaker 4: when you saw the launch, we basically took gpto and
Speaker 4: made it part of Core Pilot. So Windows is going
Speaker 4: to have some of the latest innovation from open Ai
Speaker 4: and the latest innovation from Microsoft built into Windows. So therefore,
Speaker 4: I'm thrilled about their prioritization of the Mac.
Speaker 1: Chat GPT four. Oh is you know, it's pretty big?
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: Have you tried chat GPT five?
Speaker 3: So that the latest? Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, of course?
Speaker 1: What about the next one? We hear reasons you mean,
Speaker 1: so the.
Speaker 4: Next version, which I believe is not been named, so
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk for them, but you know, look,
Speaker 4: I think open Ai as a company has really focused
Speaker 4: a lot on not only moving the frontier forward, but
Speaker 4: also doing it with really safety first, and so they're
Speaker 4: very carefully thinking about what's the next big model. But
Speaker 4: the thing that GPTO like, I don't want to understate
Speaker 4: the innovation in what they just launched last week, right,
Speaker 4: which is just the first time they've been able to
Speaker 4: bring ultimodal capabilities natively into the model. And you're seeing
Speaker 4: it like in the wild as you use copilot or
Speaker 4: chat GPT you can see the power.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: It's most people think, oh, GPT four came out what
Speaker 4: fifteen sixteen months ago, but it's not been static. It
Speaker 4: has been continuously getting better and we're excited about it.
Speaker 2: So on that note, you stress trust a lot in
Speaker 2: your keynote today, But there have been renewed concerns over
Speaker 2: the week and about safety at open AI. More key
Speaker 2: employees have left, one saying safety has taken a backseat to.
Speaker 1: Shiny new products.
Speaker 2: What kind of conversations have you had with Sam Molman
Speaker 2: about this look.
Speaker 4: I mean, at least one of the fundamental things that
Speaker 4: broad Open Air and Microsoft together way back even in
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen was that focus on how do we make
Speaker 4: sure that we could make progress. At that time, it
Speaker 4: is not even clearest whether things will even work the
Speaker 4: way they work, right, But even there, that company was
Speaker 4: very grounded on their mission around Hey, we want to
Speaker 4: bring the benefits of this to the broadest set of
Speaker 4: audience and do it safely. So and that requires, at
Speaker 4: least in my mind, I fall into the camp of
Speaker 4: iterative development of it. Right, you got you can't just
Speaker 4: be in the lab. You have to get it into
Speaker 4: the real world. See the adversarial attacks, make the safety
Speaker 4: harnesses better. That doesn't mean you don't take safety first
Speaker 4: as the most important feature. In fact, I say, even
Speaker 4: at Microsoft, which is the most important feature of Azure
Speaker 4: AI is our safety service, because that's what even gives
Speaker 4: us permission to deploy anything.
Speaker 3: You can't just deploy.
Speaker 4: I mean, if I take the base model, like even
Speaker 4: take today's announcement, it's just so important, right, Windows now
Speaker 4: will have forty plus models that are going to be
Speaker 4: onboard on Windows. But guess what, in order to keep
Speaker 4: them safe, we will use the Azure AI service because
Speaker 4: we will be learning every hour of every day what
Speaker 4: is the new adversarial attack, and that knowledge, that learning
Speaker 4: will keep all the AI models safe. Because the next
Speaker 4: jail break that happens, we'll learn about it and make
Speaker 4: sure that that doesn't happen on the local model. And
Speaker 4: so that's I think the only way we're going to
Speaker 4: keep AI.
Speaker 2: Safe, all right, Microsoft CEA, oh saucha nidala, thank you
Speaker 2: so much for joining us. I'm going to send it
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