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Speaker 1: your money, your identity, your passwords. A Red Table alert.
Speaker 1: Last year, Americans lost five point eight billion dollars to scams.
Speaker 1: How Barbara Corkrane went from shark to victim. These scammers
Speaker 1: just something so simple that I'm frankly embarrassed to talk
Speaker 1: about it. They're coming at you from everywhere. I down
Speaker 1: my dating app. He was like, I can teach you
Speaker 1: crypto and we lost everything by the end of December.
Speaker 1: No one is safe. Take a good look at Tristan.
Speaker 1: If you see him on any dating site asking for money,
Speaker 1: it's a scam. His image has been stolen. What you
Speaker 1: need to know to protect yourself, your money, your family,
Speaker 1: hold on. If that blows your mind, Wow, this will
Speaker 1: be interesting. And this one is quite a scam. Scams
Speaker 1: and hardtopams, scam and spam like I get thousands of
Speaker 1: spam risk calls a day, like I've already had five
Speaker 1: This morning. This is scary, but it's real. Right now,
Speaker 1: someone is trying to steal your money, your identity, your passwords.
Speaker 1: No one is safe. You won't see it coming. Every
Speaker 1: time you click in the email, answer the phone, swipe
Speaker 1: on a dating app, scroll through social media, you are
Speaker 1: at risk. So how can you protect yourself from the
Speaker 1: masterful minds of scam artists. We have the answers. Barbara Corkrane,
Speaker 1: one of our favorite savvy millionaires on Shark Tank, is
Speaker 1: the last person you think will get scammed, but it
Speaker 1: can happen to any one. Hey, Barbara, Hey, Hey, tell
Speaker 1: us what happened. Well, I run a very big business.
Speaker 1: I have all the right people around me, I have
Speaker 1: all the security measures in place, and it's these scammeras
Speaker 1: did something so simple that I'm frankly embarrassed to talk
Speaker 1: about it. But my accountant got an email from my
Speaker 1: secretary authorizing a four hundred thousand dollar transfer of funds.
Speaker 1: I invested in a lot of property and renovate property,
Speaker 1: so it seems a normal kind of thing. The scammeras
Speaker 1: pretended to be Barbara's secretary. They sent a phony message
Speaker 1: telling her accountant to pay an invoice for bogus renovations
Speaker 1: on an investment property Barbara supposedly bought in Germany. It
Speaker 1: wasn't out of the norm. They had changed one letter
Speaker 1: of my company's email and everybody just went through emails
Speaker 1: never noticing it. Wow corporate and corporant right ye wow,
Speaker 1: see wow, that looks really and also that odd number
Speaker 1: three thousand, seven eleven cents. I mean, who was gonna question?
Speaker 1: And a couple of days later, the money went out
Speaker 1: a wire transfer to Germany out. It went okay. But
Speaker 1: it wasn't until my accountants sent a confirmation to my
Speaker 1: real secretary saying, hey, we're confirming this one last time,
Speaker 1: right there, boom. I learned that I was hit by
Speaker 1: a SCAMMERA wow, it was simple, it was clever. We
Speaker 1: all read our emails every day, but we don't examine
Speaker 1: our own email address. Lucky for me, there is a
Speaker 1: happy ending of the story. A big bank I have
Speaker 1: here in New York frowze the money until they discovered
Speaker 1: the scam and they sent me the money back. You
Speaker 1: were lucky. You know what I really learned through this
Speaker 1: whole thing that scammers are not sophisticated operations is simple.
Speaker 1: Most of the scams in America happened with simple little
Speaker 1: things like that that you can identify, and so if
Speaker 1: they can fool me, they could fool anybody. Oh no,
Speaker 1: that's that's real talk right there. Yeah. Do you know
Speaker 1: what I think is very important? Almost all scams happen online,
Speaker 1: through emails, through text things like that. My new rule
Speaker 1: within all my businesses now is you're requesting any money,
Speaker 1: I don't care how large or how small, pick up
Speaker 1: the phone and confirm it's real. And that's so easy
Speaker 1: to do right out of it. Back then, I had
Speaker 1: to be almost burned to realize it. Don't you send
Speaker 1: me any invoices. It's not gonna work. No worry about it.
Speaker 1: You do not have to worry about that at all.
Speaker 1: We love you on Shark Tank, you fierce one. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you for just giving us those tips today, and
Speaker 1: we're glad that your story had a happy ending. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you. Wow. Yeah, that's wild. So Nikki scam turned
Speaker 1: into a family nightmare, and here's her story. After the
Speaker 1: devastating loss of her mother, twenty five year old Nicki
Speaker 1: Hutchinson sold their house and split the money with her dad,
Speaker 1: Melvin two hundred and eighty thousand dollars each. Ready for
Speaker 1: a fresh start, Nikki signed up for a dating app
Speaker 1: and was thrilled when she made a connection. For more
Speaker 1: than a month, she messaged with someone who said their
Speaker 1: name was How. They bonded over their Asian heritage and
Speaker 1: even discovered they were from the same small town in China.
Speaker 1: Weeks into their relationship, how told Nikki he wanted to
Speaker 1: teach her how to invest in cryptocurrency, and suggested she
Speaker 1: used the funds from her mom's house. Nikki's skepticism turned
Speaker 1: into belief when a tiny first investment started to grow.
Speaker 1: She began to invest more, eventually convincing her father to
Speaker 1: do the same. When their account balance showed more than
Speaker 1: one point two million dollars, Nicki and Melvin thought it
Speaker 1: was time to cash out. They had no idea what
Speaker 1: they were about to uncover. Wow, yeah, it's it's a
Speaker 1: crazy story. It is. Yeah, I met this person in
Speaker 1: early November and we lost everything by the end of December. Well,
Speaker 1: how much had you invested by that? We invested all
Speaker 1: the house money that we had two teach. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was everything, we had everything. Oh my god. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was just so fast. I downlard dating app. My goal
Speaker 1: was to like just meet people and potentially make connections
Speaker 1: and stuff. Were you able to talk to him on
Speaker 1: the phone or actually meet him in person. So I
Speaker 1: actually did meet the Sky on FaceTime and it was
Speaker 1: the craziest thing because when he started talking, he was like,
Speaker 1: I can teach you crypto and stuff, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that sounds great. Cryptocurrency is digital money that is not
Speaker 1: regulated like a typical bank. To buy cryptocurrency, you sign
Speaker 1: up for an account on a crypto website also called
Speaker 1: the plat form and transfer money from your bank. When
Speaker 1: you want to cash out, the crypto has converted to
Speaker 1: real money and sent back to your bank. Wow. So
Speaker 1: I thought he was going to teach me about crypto
Speaker 1: and actually show his face and teach me his tricks
Speaker 1: and stuff. But when I actually face timed him, it
Speaker 1: was his eyeball, Like it wasn't even his face. And
Speaker 1: I know, like, right then and there that should have
Speaker 1: been a huge red flague. But yes, a minute which
Speaker 1: you said all you saw was his eye. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you, it was literally so close I want to
Speaker 1: face And so at the time it didn't register. It
Speaker 1: more so felt like he was telling me I'm super shy,
Speaker 1: super nervous, introvert, so I was giving him the benefited.
Speaker 1: So that conversation lasted ten seconds. It was super short.
Speaker 1: He cut me off. He's text me immiately, you're so beautiful,
Speaker 1: like I can't wait to teach you crypto. And I
Speaker 1: was like, that was weird. I didn't see anything romantic
Speaker 1: with him, and I voiced that. But that being said,
Speaker 1: I was like, I would be happy to be a friend.
Speaker 1: But you know, even though it wasn't a romantic relationship,
Speaker 1: we were texting every day. He would ask me, how
Speaker 1: are you having a good day? Just developing. I thought
Speaker 1: was a kinship and he took advantage of that. When
Speaker 1: you first gave him money, What was the situation around that.
Speaker 1: He sent me the link to start crypto dot com,
Speaker 1: which is a legitimate site, and so then from there
Speaker 1: he sent me another link which would be the fake platform,
Speaker 1: and he said start small. I think I put in
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars he recommended and said that's a lot,
Speaker 1: and he's like, well, this is an investment. So he
Speaker 1: kind of grooined me to use the legit platform. So
Speaker 1: I did crypto dot com and then transfer that money
Speaker 1: to this fake platform. Yeah, so that's where they get you.
Speaker 1: He was telling me when to buy and sell and
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you know to buy and sell
Speaker 1: this much? And he'd be like, I'll teach you that
Speaker 1: in the future. So he never really taught me anything.
Speaker 1: He just taught me how to put money into this platform, right,
Speaker 1: so how to move it around. Exactly when you saw
Speaker 1: that you were getting a profit? Was that when you
Speaker 1: brought your dad in? Yeah? So she started investing more
Speaker 1: and more money, and she would show me the profits.
Speaker 1: I was going like, wow, are you serious? Now she's
Speaker 1: making eighty thou dollars a week and it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: is this how wealthy people stay wealthy? They make good
Speaker 1: investments and they get good returns. Eventually I said, okay, Nikki,
Speaker 1: I'll get in with you. I mean this, this looks
Speaker 1: like it's making money. Everything looks good. What is so
Speaker 1: interesting about this platform? They would show profits, but they
Speaker 1: would as just show negatives to make it seem legit
Speaker 1: when you're dying and selling, so it wasn't all positive.
Speaker 1: And how did you find out that it was fraud?
Speaker 1: My dad and I go signe once we hit a million,
Speaker 1: Ude withdrawal, and so I said, my scammer, I don't
Speaker 1: know how to withdraw Will you help me? It's like,
Speaker 1: of course, but you need to pay your taxes first,
Speaker 1: and these taxes were over three D sixty dollars. You
Speaker 1: have to pay the I R S before we can
Speaker 1: release your money. Yeah. The more she pressed to get
Speaker 1: the money, two more angry he got. Don't you trust
Speaker 1: me anymore? You know we don't have the money we
Speaker 1: pay you. You've gotten all of our money. Well, you
Speaker 1: got fifteen days to pay it or we freeze your account.
Speaker 1: So they try to make you panic. They want you
Speaker 1: to sell things, borrow money from your parents. You know,
Speaker 1: do you have a four oh one K you can
Speaker 1: cash in? Wow? But prior to that, when I first
Speaker 1: got that initial like you gotta pay taxes, I was
Speaker 1: like in a panic mode and I was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm going to tell my father.
Speaker 1: He just retired, so I ruined his nest egg And
Speaker 1: it's it gets emotional to think about. We were driving
Speaker 1: back to Nashville December the fourteen to go see my
Speaker 1: parents for Christmas, and she was quiet the whole trip,
Speaker 1: and when we got to the hotel she just broke
Speaker 1: down and just was just uncontrollably crying, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what is wrong, and she's just Dad, I think I've
Speaker 1: lost our money, We've been scammed. And all I could
Speaker 1: do was hug her and tell her it was going
Speaker 1: to be okay, that we'd get through it. So that
Speaker 1: was probably the worst Christmas. We had no money, we
Speaker 1: couldn't bite each other presents. We just went to the
Speaker 1: store and bought something to eat and came back and
Speaker 1: cooked it and said a prayer together and ate and
Speaker 1: that was our Christmas. I'm so sorry. So by the
Speaker 1: end of the night, she said, I'm going to make
Speaker 1: this right, and she's been on the crusade ever since
Speaker 1: to make people aware that these snakes are out there,
Speaker 1: and she's so angry that people take advantage of people
Speaker 1: like that. You know, we went to local law enforcement
Speaker 1: and they didn't have the means to help, so they
Speaker 1: blew us off. When we sold the house, my dad
Speaker 1: wanted to have an RV. Luckily I paid cash for
Speaker 1: that before all that started, or we would have been homeless.
Speaker 1: Do you guys live in the r V together? Yea
Speaker 1: full time. If you can imagine living in a four
Speaker 1: hundred square foot house on wheels. But we have each other.
Speaker 1: I have a set income, she works, she gets an income.
Speaker 1: We pay the bills together. I have this saying that
Speaker 1: these people are cyber rapist. They not only rape you
Speaker 1: of your money, your innocence, your trust, your future. And
Speaker 1: when you finally figure it out and you confront them
Speaker 1: on it, they laugh at you as they hit the
Speaker 1: delete button and they go on to somebody else. They're criminals. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just it's horrible. I don't know what the answer is,
Speaker 1: other than don't let your financial fantasies overrule your common sense.
Speaker 1: Once I figured out that I wasn't going to get
Speaker 1: our money back, it's gone. I, being the man, want
Speaker 1: to take care of my family and everything. I crumbled.
Speaker 1: I don't grow a beard. I was trying to grow
Speaker 1: a mask to hide behind, and I just spun into
Speaker 1: this dark hole. I started drinking. I even had a
Speaker 1: conversation with her. I said, Nikki, if something happens to me,
Speaker 1: here's what you need to do here, so you need
Speaker 1: to call. And for a month I just drink, and
Speaker 1: finally one day I woke up in the middle of
Speaker 1: the night and I said, I'm not gonna let her
Speaker 1: lose two parents. Next morning, I stopped drinking. Uh, and
Speaker 1: it was hard. Once I fully forgive myself. This beard
Speaker 1: will come off and I'll be a new person. I'll
Speaker 1: be I'll be a new person. Yeah, I'm not there yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but each day it gets better. Yeah, you can break
Speaker 1: my bank account, but you're not going to break my family.
Speaker 1: There you go. It's beautiful that you both have each
Speaker 1: other through this. Thank you both. Nikki, you had such
Speaker 1: great intentions. Yeah. I did. I I really thought I
Speaker 1: was helping. And that's why I couldn't get mad at her.
Speaker 1: She didn't steal the money from our family. She tried
Speaker 1: to make it better. Your goodness and your kindness was exploited.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I appreciate just getting to talk to you,
Speaker 1: lovely ladies. Thank you. I like your red table. Thank
Speaker 1: you that I may have to rethink it that beer
Speaker 1: totally so. Eva A. Lesquez is the CEO of the
Speaker 1: Identity Resource Center and has critical information to keep us
Speaker 1: safe from scammers. Welcome. I'm so glad to be here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we definitely need you here. Thank you. Can you explain
Speaker 1: this crypto scam business? I can absolutely explain the crypto scam.
Speaker 1: But there is so much more to this. If you
Speaker 1: look at the anatomy of a scam, there are some
Speaker 1: commonalities with all scams, not just crypto but all of them,
Speaker 1: and that's trust, urgency, and confusion. They will build trust
Speaker 1: with you, sometimes they'll try to borrow trust, maybe a
Speaker 1: trusted brand, maybe it's the government that's reaching out to you.
Speaker 1: Confusion of process. I've heard cryptocurrency investments can be very lucrative,
Speaker 1: but I don't really know anything about it. But it
Speaker 1: can also be confusion. Um with a lot of the
Speaker 1: pandemic relief who had all these grant scams, and oh,
Speaker 1: you can get money this way, and the government is
Speaker 1: going to be here to help you. And then of
Speaker 1: course that sense of urgency. Yeah, if you don't do
Speaker 1: this now, you're going to miss out. If you don't
Speaker 1: do this now, we might come and arrestue. If you
Speaker 1: don't pay these taxes, now, we're going to Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is the I R. S. Yes, we've had a few
Speaker 1: of those people saying that they're calling from the border
Speaker 1: and we have someone here with your name. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna come down here and give us X amount of
Speaker 1: dollars and we're gonna have to come arrest you. It's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy. It's been the most craziest things
Speaker 1: building that sense of urgency and fear. Yes, but you're
Speaker 1: right in borrow trust, like we're from the immigration office.
Speaker 1: People being out of the country and I'm stuck here
Speaker 1: and I need help getting back. But people's emails will
Speaker 1: get hacked, so you're thinking you're getting it from someone
Speaker 1: that you know. I just got one of those prominent
Speaker 1: friend of mine. They said they couldn't get to money.
Speaker 1: Could I go and get this money? Not called her
Speaker 1: assistant and of course they were like, her email have
Speaker 1: been hacked. You actually just practice the first rule of
Speaker 1: scam prevention, which is go to the source. If you
Speaker 1: didn't initiate the contact. And I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: coming by email, by phone, text message, by social media,
Speaker 1: direct message by carrier pigeon, I don't care what the
Speaker 1: method is. You need to go directly to the source
Speaker 1: and verify in your research. Are there networks where they're
Speaker 1: grooming scammeras how to be scammers? Absolutely, the fraud ecosystem
Speaker 1: is vast. There are websites and the dark web that
Speaker 1: you go, oh, I need a list of valid emails
Speaker 1: to send my phishing attempts to I need credit card
Speaker 1: numbers so that I can go commit fraud. You can
Speaker 1: buy it in packages. They will give you a refund
Speaker 1: if you bought fifty credit card packages and ten didn't work.
Speaker 1: It is that elaborate. Yes, now we look at cryptocurrency
Speaker 1: as a fraud payment tool. In the losses were about
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty four million that were reported to
Speaker 1: the Federal Trade Commission. Hold on, if that blows your mind.
Speaker 1: Seven hundred and fifty million one that's crazy. Wow. All right,
Speaker 1: So Tristan King says being a victim of a scam
Speaker 1: is ruining his life. What's happening to him is more
Speaker 1: common than you think. This is Tristan King. He's a
Speaker 1: U S Marine, online fitness coach and father of two
Speaker 1: living in California. But for the past two years, stolen
Speaker 1: images of him have been used on dating apps in
Speaker 1: social media to scam millions from unsuspecting victims. He's been
Speaker 1: known as Samuel Pete, Axel, Jake, and dozens of other names.
Speaker 1: His pictures are on websites all over the world, breaking
Speaker 1: hearts and destroying lies of hundreds of total strangers. That's horrible. Wow,
Speaker 1: Hey Tristan, good afternoon, ladies. How y'all doing. We're good,
Speaker 1: We're good. First, let me just say that I'm so
Speaker 1: sorry that this has been happening. What is going on?
Speaker 1: They're essentially making people fall in love with fake met
Speaker 1: They're getting people out of a lot of money just
Speaker 1: using my images. So how did you find out that
Speaker 1: this was happening? So I just started getting messages on
Speaker 1: my social media. People will reach out to me and
Speaker 1: be like, hey, did you know that your images are
Speaker 1: being used? And I started getting hundreds of messages a day.
Speaker 1: I've had women reach out to me and tell me
Speaker 1: that they sent tens of thousands of dollars with promises
Speaker 1: that I'm going to come home to them, meet their family,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna start a life together, just really tugging
Speaker 1: on their heartstrings. How do I tell them I have
Speaker 1: no idea who you are. I've tried to, you know,
Speaker 1: respond to these people, try to help them that hey,
Speaker 1: this is not me that you're talking to. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't stop. It's driving me crazy. It's getting out of control.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. So it's kind of like a mixture of
Speaker 1: a catfish and the am situation. Yeah, he's a victim,
Speaker 1: and then you have the individuals thinking they're in relationships.
Speaker 1: We have this chain of victimization. Christen, how has this
Speaker 1: affected your life? I've had women call me, you know,
Speaker 1: hysterical um saying that they're in love with me. How
Speaker 1: much money they've lost? He as they got ahold of
Speaker 1: my contact information. That's gotten to the point where they've
Speaker 1: reached out to my family loved ones telling them that
Speaker 1: a your son or husband is asking for money. So
Speaker 1: they're literally targeting my family at this point. But knowing
Speaker 1: that because of my images, this is happening to innocent
Speaker 1: people that truly just want to find love or just
Speaker 1: build a connection. It really breaks my heart. So what
Speaker 1: can he do? Unfortunately, there's not a lot that can
Speaker 1: be done because it's static data and it's being recycled
Speaker 1: over and over and over. But when you become aware
Speaker 1: that there's another profile, report it and saying this is
Speaker 1: not me. I did not give permission on fourately, since
Speaker 1: it's so prolific, becomes a full time job. Well, listen
Speaker 1: to everybody, take a good look at Tristan if you
Speaker 1: see him on any dating site. Okay, asking for money.
Speaker 1: It's a scam. His image has been stolen. Okay, I
Speaker 1: really appreciate that, yes, And I'm wishing you the best
Speaker 1: around this. Man. I'm hoping that at some point there's
Speaker 1: some laws and your accountability. Wishing you the best with everything,
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you. You know, I just feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like we just do whatever they
Speaker 1: want to do and there's no consequences. I get so
Speaker 1: many emails almost daily, more than one email from like
Speaker 1: a fake papers to borrow and Apple, you know, we're
Speaker 1: freezing your account, we need you to update your information,
Speaker 1: all of that nonsense. But I always look at where
Speaker 1: the email is coming from because it usually just looks crazy,
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different numbers and letters, and it
Speaker 1: just like that part doesn't look legit. Like the body
Speaker 1: of the email will look legitimate. I mean, it will
Speaker 1: have the logo and all of that, but some of
Speaker 1: these are so polished and sophisticated you you just can't tell,
Speaker 1: which is why we just go to the source in
Speaker 1: whatever way you normally interact with them. So if it's
Speaker 1: if it's a bank, do you logging on the mobile app?
Speaker 1: And I think that really important. And if it's a
Speaker 1: different kind of relating. That should be a red flag.
Speaker 1: But definitely don't you call the number that in the
Speaker 1: email Dad on shore. So we have some actual examples.
Speaker 1: So this is a T and T. You are one
Speaker 1: of the five thousand affected customers. Yeah, providing you with
Speaker 1: a free gifts would have been nice if they spelled
Speaker 1: temporary correctly. Kind of a dead giveaway exactly. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: get those all the time. A free message, December bill
Speaker 1: is paid. Thanks, here's a little bit for you. Enjoy
Speaker 1: your Amazon you get ready to lock your Amazon account?
Speaker 1: Go here. I'll need to be behind nothing. No way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go get into the app and look at the message
Speaker 1: center and see if customer service is trying to get
Speaker 1: in touch with you. Nine million times out of a
Speaker 1: hundred million, they're not. You're fine, fine, All right. Let's
Speaker 1: go through the most popular scams by generation. Let's start
Speaker 1: with the elderly. What we're seeing with a lot of
Speaker 1: seniors are tech support scams and then romance scams. Losing
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars to romance scams. Wow, what
Speaker 1: about gen xers? Most of us are still working full time.
Speaker 1: We have families that were raising and a lot of
Speaker 1: us also have older parents, older parents, and we're to
Speaker 1: that we're helping to take care of, so we are distracted.
Speaker 1: They're going to get you with an investment scan because
Speaker 1: it's personal to you. Yeah, what about the gens ears, willows,
Speaker 1: age Crypto and the payment apps because you know their
Speaker 1: new their edgy cash app, venmo Um and in particular,
Speaker 1: social media account takeover. Yeah, we have taken thousands of
Speaker 1: calls from people who have had their social media accounts
Speaker 1: taken over and people wanting you to pay them to
Speaker 1: get it back and make hostage videos. They don't get
Speaker 1: it back. So we're just telling everybody, don't make those videos.
Speaker 1: Don't Totally. That was a lot. Yeah, but that was good.
Speaker 1: That was we needed to We needed to hear that.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. This was deeply so much. I
Speaker 1: learned so much. Thank you now that I've sufficient scared everybody,
Speaker 1: but we have to be paying attention side. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: family fly any way too long. They can feel you.
Speaker 1: I can tell this for it's gonna be a news
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