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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros MLB. This is the

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Baseball Podcast. It is me Joey p jop Zapia

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Speaker 1: and we're continuing on with our Ultimate Guide, Part two

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Speaker 1: of Starting Pictures. If you miss part one, go back

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Speaker 1: and today a very special guest fresh off of eighty

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Speaker 1: thousand words. How one man can write so many words

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Speaker 1: over a week's time nobody knows, but we know him

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Speaker 1: as Nick Pollock from Picture List. Pollock is good to

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Speaker 1: see you, my friend. How are you handling all the

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Speaker 1: snow here on the East Coast with me? A little

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Speaker 1: different where you are, a lot more shoveling where I am.

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Speaker 1: But are you able to get out of your house

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. It is great to see both of you,

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Speaker 2: by the way, and it is disgusting. I'm a curmudget.

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Speaker 2: I hate the snow, you know. I think of it

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Speaker 2: as a short term investment as supposed to long term one,

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Speaker 2: because here in New York I want to be able

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Speaker 2: to walk around. I want to invest right, and it

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Speaker 2: just gets disgusting here. So no, I've I've been holed

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Speaker 2: up writing this article for the past like month and

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Speaker 2: a half.

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Speaker 1: So well, I hope everyone reads it, and I want

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Speaker 1: everyone watching today to go to picture list and go

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Speaker 1: check it out. Please don't make that man write that

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Speaker 1: many words for no reason. Welsh is here again. Hi,

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Speaker 1: We've got a lot of good conversations. Hi Welsh, I'm

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Speaker 1: here here on the opposite end. Yeah, your your sun

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Speaker 1: tanned and and maybe a little sunburned. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm a little bit of everything. Everybody can see my glasses,

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Speaker 3: no free ads. I would tell what glasses I was wearing,

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Speaker 3: but you can see the glass line. I'm very red face.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking a little Brandon fought ish. If I was sweating,

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Speaker 3: I would look just like Brandon fought right now. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm very tamed, very very tamed.

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Speaker 1: All right, we are going to go through pictures number

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Speaker 1: forty six and onward with Nick Pollock again. The first

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Speaker 1: and now Nick is going to take us deeper into

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Speaker 1: what Welsh has already told me. He wants to be

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Speaker 1: Smack Fantasy Baseball Championship Belt. All right, gents, Before we

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Speaker 1: get to the number forty five and beyond Nick Pollock,

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Speaker 1: there's one pitch. I did want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: about who was above forty five, and Welsh gave his thoughts.

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Speaker 1: Eno give his thoughts, but I was fascinated about yours

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Speaker 1: because it's such a weird circumstance that you don't see

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Speaker 1: very often. Trey Savage of the Toronto Blue Jays went

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Speaker 1: same season. It's not a normal path. What do you

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Speaker 1: make of that rise of TROYA. Savage? Where is adp

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Speaker 1: is right now? And what is twenty twenty six prospects are?

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Speaker 1: What's your take on you Savage?

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Speaker 2: I'm really sorry, guys, I'm just so distracted by the

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Speaker 2: idea of Joe Piece of Pia pulling a reverse curb

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Speaker 2: your enthusiasm with that belt, not the five iron, you know.

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Speaker 4: It's instead going to be the belt.

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Speaker 1: Slide it in there, Oh, just.

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Speaker 4: Get it in there. And with the Savage, very interesting, Karlin,

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Speaker 2: A very odd situation, okay, just even from a approach standpoint,

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Speaker 4: So ultimately I do like what you Savage does.

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Speaker 2: The Blue Jays did come out and say that they're

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Speaker 2: pictures anymore. That's just not what happens when you get

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Speaker 4: If that is quality.

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Speaker 2: I am leaning to the uniqueness of you Savage and

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Speaker 4: However, where I have.

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Speaker 2: Him on my rankings is on the lower end of

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Speaker 2: what you know Sarah's calls the hype seven. That is

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Speaker 2: your McClain. You're above a Chandler, You'll or your Chase Burns,

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Speaker 2: What's funny is that I thought it was a negative too.

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Speaker 4: So pairing all of that with the rarity these.

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Speaker 2: Days of seeing someone with it is a positive for him.

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Speaker 2: And how dare you mention Collmenter and suggesting that the

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Speaker 2: Savage is like him? Okay, a lot of guys have

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Speaker 2: So no, with you Savage, it's it's something I really

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Speaker 2: This is why the splitter has performed well down as

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uncomfortable at that too, because hitters aren't really

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Speaker 3: You know what I asked, I asked, not Joe Alvarez

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Speaker 3: to remember. I think it was one of the rogers

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Speaker 4: Because it's like extreme.

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Speaker 3: So I just made me think of that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm happy you brought up tong by the way,

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Speaker 2: tongue has a high arm angle and he has a

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Speaker 2: vulcan change it, which essentially acts like a splitter. There

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Speaker 2: are a few differences though, that make you Savage much better.

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Speaker 2: One is that it's even more extreme armingle with you Savage.

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Speaker 4: A vulcan change, well, a vulcan change.

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Speaker 2: Exactly as you think you make the vulcan like Spock

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit too wide. The imagic a right.

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Speaker 2: The Savage is a traditional grip, which makes me feel

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Speaker 4: That it will be as consistent as it is.

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Speaker 2: And the biggest, biggest flaw in Jonah Tong is that

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Speaker 2: Tong doesn't have that stabilizing strike pitch that you Savage does,

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Speaker 2: and that's really the major difference between them.

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Speaker 1: I'm just happy that you called me the Larry David

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Speaker 1: basically in this program.

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Speaker 4: Am the opposite stealing the five iron you.

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Speaker 1: Put it in. I'm not, but I'm also just as

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Speaker 3: Saying I think my attitude might be a little bit

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Speaker 5: Jeff Garland, I'm a little bit more. Can you guys

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Speaker 5: give me a no, no no, because you kind of

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Speaker 5: support it, you're I will say, like, yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 5: You know you should be mad, Like I think you

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Speaker 1: That is actually a great pipe. So all right, let's

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Speaker 1: start with number forty five. Y're Robbie Ray than Trevor

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Speaker 1: Rodgers in Baltimore are coming off a breakout season. Ranger

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Speaker 1: Swarez now in Boston, real quick, Welsh. We just did

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Speaker 1: and a lot of people have concerns about Ranger swars

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Speaker 1: in that ballpark, and those concerns real for you as well.

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Speaker 3: He's just not really a target of mine. I think

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Speaker 2: The biggest problem I think for Edward Carbrera is that

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Speaker 3: And maybe even the ultimate tiebreaker is just whichever one

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Speaker 1: You know, because you put those two guys together. I

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Speaker 3: a team named Generator.

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 4: That was my fourth grade play.

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Speaker 1: Here's a hoo.

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Speaker 4: I had one line, Joe, Yeah, so said, did you

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Famous actor Nick Pollack, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Paul, like John Jel, I'm a Nick Pollock's acting girl boy.

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Speaker 1: demanded more dialogue for you. All right. Jack Flaherty comes

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Speaker 3: still surprised he's going as late as he is.

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Speaker 1: Pallack real quick after Bos, you got Bieber fifty nine

436
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Speaker 1: and Nola at sixty to round out this grouping we're

437
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Speaker 1: going to talk about. Would you rather have Boz or

438
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Speaker 1: one of these more veteran guys like Bieber or Nola,

439
00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 1: even though Nola came off a pretty disappointing season.

440
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Speaker 2: Oh man, I would rather have Aaron Nola. I really

441
00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,400
Speaker 2: want to go for Boz. The biggest issue I see

442
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,840
Speaker 2: with Shane Boz is he hasn't quite put.

443
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Speaker 4: It all together yet.

444
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Speaker 2: George slab Brennerfield was terrible, and I should have even

445
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Speaker 2: mentioned that with Jirasmus and him going to the troup.

446
00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,359
Speaker 4: Now the trump is like the best place to pitch.

447
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:26,920
Speaker 2: And you just had a sub three arra with like

448
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 2: an amazing whip with Geordan sty brenner Field, like this

449
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 2: is just gonna get better. Same with like Ryan Peppio.

450
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Speaker 2: Love both of those guys, and I was gonna be

451
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Speaker 2: so excited for Boz and he goes to Campton.

452
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Speaker 4: Not necessarily terrible, it's.

453
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Speaker 2: Just Boz is so interesting because he's like right there,

454
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Speaker 2: but then he's not. His slider was the destroyer of worlds,

455
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,160
Speaker 2: and then now it's a terrible pitch where he would

456
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Speaker 2: throw like four in a game and one of them

457
00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:52,080
Speaker 2: would allow a home run. And so we had to

458
00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:56,040
Speaker 2: shift to a cutter, which is fine, and as as

459
00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,320
Speaker 2: wells pointing out absolutely he started doing it in twenty

460
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Speaker 2: four when he came back. Initially, the curveball all of

461
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,400
Speaker 2: a sudden had to take over because the slider was bad,

462
00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 2: and it was a great pitch and it was a

463
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,320
Speaker 2: very reliable one from last year, but it's not like

464
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,760
Speaker 2: the most overwhelming for seamer anymore. And I need to

465
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,239
Speaker 2: see another step forward from Boz. So I don't want

466
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Speaker 2: a wish cast that he will, but I definitely think

467
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Speaker 2: there's a good chance. So I really want to have Boz,

468
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 2: but I can't turn down Aaron Nola. Aaron Nola, Look

469
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 2: it's even here, Aaron Nola.

470
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean no, it's a lot of data.

471
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Speaker 4: There's actually it's funny it works that way.

472
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Speaker 2: Sometimes he just happens to have lost seasons every other year.

473
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Speaker 2: I don't know, but he had injuries last year got

474
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Speaker 2: him out of rhythm, and there are very simple things

475
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 2: to tweak what happened last year. He had some terrible luck.

476
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Speaker 2: He didn't have a degradation of skills. And generally when

477
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Speaker 2: you see these older pitchers get worse and hit that cliff,

478
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Speaker 2: you start to see, Okay, the velosity is going down,

479
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: the movement's going down, a lot of these extra elements,

480
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,879
Speaker 2: and no, the curveball is still one of the best

481
00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:59,880
Speaker 2: curveballs in baseball. Aaron Nola should honestly stop throwing his

482
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,360
Speaker 2: sinker away and trying to do backdoor sinkers the right handers.

483
00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 2: Just throw it inside. It's like the most easy textbook

484
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 2: approach sinker sweeper we heard all the time. It's pretty

485
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,159
Speaker 2: much what he can do. And then he has a

486
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 2: fantastic approach against left handers with that same curveball. So

487
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Speaker 2: Aaron Nola is exactly the same guy that you want

488
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Speaker 2: him to be. I feel like this is an amazing

489
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Speaker 2: time to get Aaron Nola, because, yeah, sixty, are you

490
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Speaker 2: kidding me? That's a guy you're not going to drop

491
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Speaker 2: the entire year in your twelve teamers. I'd be so

492
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Speaker 2: lucky to get Aaron Nola at sixty.

493
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Speaker 1: A long track record of every other year and a

494
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Speaker 1: long track record also of taking the ball over a

495
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Speaker 1: fifth day, which is something you don't see a lot

496
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Speaker 1: of guys do. All right, if you want to try

497
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Speaker 1: get to this next grouping here after Aaron Nola, who

524
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Speaker 1: is done and dusted out of here at number sixty,

525
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Speaker 1: Andrew Abbott at sixty one, Zach Gallan at sixty two,

526
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 1: Matthew Boyd comes in at sixty three. Then you have

527
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Speaker 1: Shane McClanahan at sixty four. I want to stop there

528
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Speaker 1: because we got a couple of targets here on the way,

529
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: both of them actually Welsh targets. So Welsh, let's talk

530
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Speaker 1: about Zach Gallen first. I want to get your take.

531
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Speaker 1: He returns to Arizona where obviously last year up and

532
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: down season, and yes, we see your mug. We'll talk

533
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Speaker 1: about mclanafif before. Yeah, that's a clever mug. So for

534
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: those listening on the podcast, you know, I know you

535
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Speaker 1: missed the vulcan grip. You have to visualize that. And

536
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Speaker 1: Nick Pollock also has a mug that says mcclana fan

537
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Speaker 1: on it. I assume that was Rue McClanahan.

538
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Speaker 4: The other McClanahan.

539
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I mean you do have that Golden Girls

540
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Speaker 1: T shirt. I know you do. Let's not pretend like

541
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Speaker 1: you don't. Let's talk about Zach Gallen first, because I

542
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Speaker 1: love to hear Nick's take on him. But Welsh Gallen

543
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: again kind of an enigma for a good chunk of

544
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Speaker 1: the season, then a strong finish. So who is the

545
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Speaker 1: real Zach Gallen in.

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Speaker 3: Twenty twenty six And I've been talking about him a lot,

547
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Speaker 3: so I guess I apologize for talking about it again.

548
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 3: One of the big things was talking about just how

549
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Speaker 3: low the cost was many months ago, when everyone was like, well,

550
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Speaker 3: let's see where he's going to go. Wouldn't have been

551
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 3: a bad thing if he went to the Cubs and all.

552
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 3: What we talked about in the suppression. The thing I

553
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: just come back to is the thing that was holding

554
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 3: him back the entire season was the change up inconsistency.

555
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Speaker 3: And it's weird because it was like the change up

556
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: ended up having like a low batting average against, but

557
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 3: it's because he wasn't throwing it for strikes and that

558
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Speaker 3: ended up him getting hit around with some of his

559
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Speaker 3: other stuff. You know, trying to get the curveball in

560
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 3: fastball was just kind of cake. It just it wasn't

561
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 3: a great pitch. And I think that's a good argument

562
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: to like why you can still not like him. But

563
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Speaker 3: my biggest argument has been he just became vintage Gallon

564
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Speaker 3: as soon as the trade deadline hit August. He had

565
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Speaker 3: a two five seven ERA at the very end of

566
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Speaker 3: the season. He had some blow ups that kind of

567
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 3: pop back in, but he was going six. He was

568
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Speaker 3: getting quality starts. You saw the consistency, and he's stubborn.

569
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Speaker 3: He's a super stubborn pitcher. And the entire season it

570
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,280
Speaker 3: was just like, I'm going to throw you first pitch

571
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 3: changeups and guys are like, Nope, can't throw it for strikes. Bam,

572
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Speaker 3: you throw that crappy garbage fastball in and then he's

573
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Speaker 3: getting banged around. And then that wasn't ever allowing him

574
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Speaker 3: to set up the curveball. He found the consistency at

575
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Speaker 3: the back end of the year, and it's a dude

576
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Speaker 3: that goes significant amounts of innings. Maybe he's not, you know,

577
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 3: a cy young type of guy anymore, but he's making

578
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Speaker 3: that twenty million dollar bet on himself this season and

579
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Speaker 3: is a low end thing. Not focusing on the stuff

580
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Speaker 3: because I don't have a great argument to say with

581
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Speaker 3: Zach Allen, like he's got all the great stuff play

582
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Speaker 3: blah blah blah, but he's got a hell of a

583
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Speaker 3: defense behind him. You want to look at that infield,

584
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Speaker 3: bringing in Nolan Aarnado as a gold glove third baseman

585
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Speaker 3: to be in there. Perdomo's great, Katel's talking about getting

586
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Speaker 3: that gold glove in here. You know, Carlos Santana, there's

587
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 3: a play. It's a phenomenal infield defense, and the outfield

588
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,239
Speaker 3: is it's very athletic and Jordan Lawler, if as long

589
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Speaker 3: as he can play solid defense, you have got an

590
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Speaker 3: A plus defense that's behind this team. So really my

591
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Speaker 3: biggest case is Zach Allen's not gonna be a top

592
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Speaker 3: twenty five starting pitcher. But I think where he's going,

593
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Speaker 3: because where the hell do we have he's outside the

594
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Speaker 3: top sixty. I don't think it's a crazy thing to

595
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Speaker 3: think that he can't come back and be like a

596
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Speaker 3: top thirty five pitcher, can't be a guy that you're

597
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Speaker 3: holding on to for the majority of the season. And

598
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Speaker 3: I'm banking on the second half for the post trade

599
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: deadline version of Gallon carrying back over this year. So

600
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Speaker 3: he's a massive target of mine.

601
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Speaker 1: How about for you, Nick, what are your thoughts on

602
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 1: Zach Collen again? Kind of an up and down season

603
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 1: for him last year. I think it scared a lot

604
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: of look scared a lot of fantasy managers away, but

605
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: also scared some of Mage league teams away too free agency,

606
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:16,959
Speaker 1: you know.

607
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 2: So the number one inefficiency I think we have as

608
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 2: fantasy analysts is predicting defenses. If you look at Jose

609
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Speaker 2: Soriano last year, he is he was the number one

610
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 2: groundball inducing starting pitcher. The Angels were the worst defense.

611
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Speaker 2: I wonder why Jose Sirian allowed a lot of hits

612
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: last year. And you look at Merril Kelly's great seasons

613
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,360
Speaker 2: Rangers in the second half last year and the Diamondbacks

614
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 2: two previous seasons fantastic defenses.

615
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Speaker 4: Right.

616
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Speaker 2: The Cubs who were just talking about those guys have

617
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Speaker 2: outperformed their peripherals with their era and whip.

618
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Speaker 4: Right, And here I.

619
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Speaker 2: See Welsh talking about how good this Diamondbacks defense is.

620
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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, hold on a second. Yeah, we should

621
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 2: be very much in on Merrill Kelly again. We should

622
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: be in on Zach Gallon again, right, So Ryan Nelson, Yeah,

623
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Speaker 2: sign me up. These are I think value plays for

624
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: all your leagues, And with Gallon, I've I remember talking

625
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: to Gallon's on my first player interviews and the funniest

626
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,959
Speaker 2: thing about it was I did the interview.

627
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Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it. I jumped for joy, you know,

628
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: and then I listened back to it and it only recorded.

629
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Speaker 3: Me oh and makes me sick to my stomach.

630
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Speaker 2: But I sat there and I wrote out of everything,

631
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Speaker 2: and I you know, what he said then is pretty

632
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 2: much all the same stuff.

633
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Speaker 1: Now.

634
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: He thinks like a closer in the first inning, right,

635
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: He attacks, he does not. He's not someone that lets

636
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 2: the game come to him. He's the one who gets

637
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: the game himself, right. And that could be a positive

638
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: and negative, because I think there are certain things in

639
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: his approach that he just hasn't had to change.

640
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Speaker 4: Over the years. Curveball is the death ball.

641
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: It is an amazing pitch down that has always going

642
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 2: to get those swinging strikes, and he's constantly set it

643
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 2: up with a four seamer for call strikes down and

644
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,400
Speaker 2: neglected the fact that this forcingmer has more cut action

645
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,639
Speaker 2: than batters expect. But he's never really learned how to

646
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: jam it inside the lefties. And when that change up

647
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Speaker 2: isn't there as wellsh just saying, which has always been

648
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 2: a back and forth for him, same with the cutter

649
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Speaker 2: and the slider. Back then, he didn't know what the

650
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,160
Speaker 2: difference was, and now he's kind of splitting it up.

651
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: That is like he literally didn't know which one it

652
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 2: was that he was throwing. We didn't either. It's just

653
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: he needs that fastball inside to take down lefties more.

654
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 4: He needs that change up to be there.

655
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: He needs a slider to be there for arieties, and

656
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: he'll always have the curveball, but it really does depend

657
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: on all, right, is my fastball going to do enough

658
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: for me and let me get those outs with my

659
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: defense as much as possible? So I think so I'm

660
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 2: going to lean toward Gallon having a down season because

661
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: the skills ultimately weren't so much different than what we've

662
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: seen in the previous years. And also I haven't really

663
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: seen Gallon have major changes to adapt in the past,

664
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: so I'm a little bit more hesitant to believe that

665
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: he's going to all of a sudden get those for

666
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: next year.

667
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 4: But I'm in for the most.

668
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: Part, all right, So in for the most part. That's

669
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: a glowing recommendation. In for the most part, Matthew Boyd

670
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: at sixty three. But Shane McClanahan, we know you're in on,

671
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: so I know welsh has got him as a target too.

672
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: So before we get to the mug man, let's get

673
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: to the welsh Man. Talk to me about Shane mcclannan,

674
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 1: because this is the guy I'm not in on still.

675
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: Even at the ADP. You have Tommy John surgeries plural,

676
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: and you have nerve issues and things like that. To me,

677
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: I just there's other guys around this range that I'd

678
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: rather have still, because I'm concerned that Shane mcclanan just

679
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: doesn't pitch again.

680
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 4: I understand that.

681
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 3: My biggest argument against that is who cares? He's so

682
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 3: cheap at this point, like who cares about all those

683
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: arguments that you have because it's not paying top thirty

684
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 3: or top forty's.

685
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: To counter that, like Matthew Boyd had a really strong

686
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 1: season that helped a lot of fantasy teams, Like you

687
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: can you can throw pollocks thrown hands. I mean, Merril

688
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: Kelly's a guy who's gonna give me thirty.

689
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 4: So those guys were free last year year too.

690
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: But those guys were free last year and like my

691
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 3: argument would be, like they're still free. Guy, I'm looking

692
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: down this list and I still see some free guys.

693
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: You're allowed to have that argument. I get why you

694
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: would want to be out on Shane McClanahan, because guess

695
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 3: what a lot of our arguments are going to have

696
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: to be from twenty twenty three and now or twenty

697
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: twenty two more if you want to put that. So

698
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 3: I understand why you can be risk averse. But to me,

699
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: risk aversion is early in drafts. It's not later in

700
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 3: drafts unless I've just you know, I'm going nuts and

701
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: I'm going crazy and I'm like give me, give me,

702
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: give me all these guys, and you've got too many.

703
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 3: But like I think the I think the upside is

704
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 3: still great. You know, prior to the injury, even though

705
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three was a little down ish, he's still

706
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 3: at a three two nine era he was still keeping

707
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: down batters with an okay whip. But prior to that

708
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 3: he was elite. Shane McClanahan was a top fifteen, top

709
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 3: ten pitcher in baseball and he has had all of

710
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: this time. Thre rehaving the rays he just got to throw.

711
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 3: We're getting some glowing reports out that the velo is back.

712
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 3: That's probably one of the most important things. He was

713
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 3: ninety six eight, ninety six seven the last two years

714
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 3: that he pitched, he was pushing ninety six in that

715
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: start where most of these guys are not at one

716
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: hundred percent. He has an absolutely just one of the

717
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 3: best changeups in baseball when he's right. And I think

718
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 3: that combination that's just not mentioning, you know, curveball slider

719
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: that he's gonna throw. It's about health. And if it

720
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 3: is all about health, to me, you can make two

721
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 3: decisions on him. It's not worth it because of what

722
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 3: you said, or that he will be healthy and a

723
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 3: healthy shame. McClanahan is a top twenty fantasy option that

724
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 3: you were getting outside the top sixty. So to me,

725
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: this is a no brainer. And as I have said

726
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: on episodes, I am more boring at the top end

727
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: of the pitching I'm gonna draft this year. I want

728
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: Logan Webb is like my number one pitcher, Like I

729
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 3: want some boring guys because I want to I kind

730
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: of want to go a little balls to the wall

731
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 3: at the end and take a couple of shots.

732
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: Give me Chase.

733
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: Burns and give me Shaye McClanahan as like my risk

734
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 3: pieces to have three core pictures that I think. Again,

735
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 3: my biggest argument is that when he is right, he

736
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: is one of the best pitchers in baseball. We have

737
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 3: had three two and a half years to get right,

738
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 3: and from all intentsive purposes, he's going to be un

739
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: capped this year, going to potentially start the season, and

740
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 3: his stuff is back. So you know that that's the

741
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 3: anti Strider, Like, what's the Strider conversation's been. That's like, well,

742
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: stuff didn't come back off of injury. Early reports are

743
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: the stuff is back on McClanahan, So I'm going to

744
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: inherently be back on.

745
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 4: Uh.

746
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we could talk about the stuff not

747
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: being back for Strider. We'll get into that later on

748
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: the show. But I feel like, again it's like we

749
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: got to this place last year a McClanahan and then poof,

750
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: you know you're not wrong, You're not And that I

751
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: think is a very terrifying thing. Nick. I know you're

752
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: to get this conversation last year much higher cost and

753
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: a higher cost last year him and Alcntra with both

754
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: higher costs. But now we're even more removed from Spencer

755
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 1: Stryder's injury and so far there's no red flags that

756
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: are popping up for him physically this year, and still

757
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: wearing the ramp up face is still of shade McClanahan.

758
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 1: So Nick, talk to me about McClanahan at this ADP.

759
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: I understand I watched this point of view, which is, hey,

760
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 1: it's late enough for me to feel like it now.

761
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: I think if you're a twelve team league, you're fine

762
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: in a deeper league, in a fifte team league, I

763
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: think there's questions I have where I'm just like, I

764
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: don't want to take a guy that I think has

765
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: so many ranges of outcomes that are negative for me,

766
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: just because he has the upside to be a twenty

767
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: sp he does, but at the same time he also

768
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: has the downside of not pitching it all for me.

769
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 2: So okay, hold on a saying you just says something

770
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 2: at the end there that completely changes this conversation, because

771
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: are we talking about this in a twelve team or

772
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 2: are we talking about this in a fifteen because.

773
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: Those are two step we can do both. We can

774
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: walk well.

775
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: Okay, so a fifteen team, I am going to understand

776
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 2: a little bit more of the hesitation of taking this

777
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 2: right because there are it is more valuable to have

778
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 2: those quality innings, guys, in those fifteen teams. That said,

779
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 2: twelve teams where I live, this is an absolute steal.

780
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say I'm assuming that most of the

781
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 2: people listening right now are in the twelve teams are

782
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: shallower And when it comes to the fan Pro's rankings

783
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: at sixty four, it's talking to twelve teamers, not fifteen.

784
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 2: That's my interpretation of them. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys,

785
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: But that's how I see it, quick yeah, And I'm

786
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: going to talk about it in twelve teamers right now.

787
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: I am also going to tell you, Joe, if you

788
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 2: need to get some Mortin, now's the time to do

789
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: because I'm going to talk for a while. So I

790
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: what Wells just said is amazing, It's fantastic. This is

791
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: a conversation I came onto this own podcast with Alex Fast,

792
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: I want to say, like five six years ago, talking

793
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: about Schofeyotani and Jeze's w Lozardo in the same scenario

794
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 2: where it's like, oh, these are the injured guys I

795
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: don't know very good and I had debate with Alex.

796
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I'm saying, guys, if it's only health here,

797
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: you take this chance and you Joe were.

798
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 4: Like, no, it's just ridiculous. I'm giving to Alex.

799
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: Fast and show we have Tanya was amazing, you know,

800
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: for one hundred and fifty innings or something like that.

801
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: Hazesos Zarda is best season. And it's just like, what

802
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 4: are we doing here?

803
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 2: Because look at your teams from last season and your

804
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 2: twelve teamers. How many pitchers did you actually keep on

805
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: your team after pick one eighty?

806
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: How many of them?

807
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 2: I want to say, it's like three ho you did right?

808
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 2: This is your game is after and when it comes

809
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: to late flyers, you want it to be a binary choice.

810
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 2: You do not want to take a flyer who you

811
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 2: don't know if it's gonna be good or not. At

812
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 2: May fifteenth, you don't.

813
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: Want to know.

814
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: You want to know by April tenth. And with Shane McClanahan,

815
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 2: it's as.

816
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 4: Simple as is he hurt or is he not hurt?

817
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 2: And you might even know before the even the season starts,

818
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 2: and then you can go replace it and go get

819
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: whatever other flyer that's out there, because they're gonna be

820
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 2: so many others. And you say, oh, no, Nick, there

821
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 2: aren't many flyers.

822
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 4: Let me tell you this. I do this every single year.

823
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 2: I look at the players from the past season who

824
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: succeeded and who was drafted after pick two ninety.

825
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you some names.

826
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: Matthew Boyd, Merrill, Kelly Chris boobache Erwar Cabrera, Andrew Abbott,

827
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 2: Ryan Nelson, James and Tito, Noah Cameron, Emmitt Shehan.

828
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: Okay. Oh, and by the way, those are ones doing

829
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 4: well from the beginning of the year. Let's talk about

830
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 4: mid season.

831
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 2: We have Shane Bieber, Lucas gu you know, Jacob Ezrawski,

832
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 2: No McLain, Trevor Rodgers, Kyle Bradish. You're a pair is

833
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 2: Parker Messic, Joey Kintillo, Hurston Wold Reft all of these

834
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: players in season that you're adding. So the replacement value

835
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: is great, You're fine. If you need to find your

836
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 2: Matthew Boyd valuable, guess what you found it last year

837
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 2: off the waiver wire, literally Matthew boy So go.

838
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 4: For Shane McClanahan.

839
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 2: Worst case scenario, you have to go and find someone else,

840
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 2: and there's no middle ground.

841
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 4: That's actually hurting you.

842
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: Question. I'd like to ask you a question.

843
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: These injured guys at this point who are only about

844
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: health when it's entering the season. Chris Boobach is another example, who's.

845
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 4: Right after this.

846
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 2: If Chris Boobach isn't that rotation to start the year awesome,

847
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: he's gonna be great. But if he's not, then you

848
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: just move on and you get someone else. It's it's

849
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing.

850
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: Pick here. Sean mcclann hands sixty four.

851
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, question for you. You keep saying it's a

852
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: very binary choice, but there is another option here because

853
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: we saw a play out numerous times last year with

854
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: guys who hadn't pitched for quite some time. Coming off injuries,

855
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: which was the ALCNTRA, the Striders. These guys who didn't

856
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: have a feel for pitching or mentally were still not

857
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: in a place where they were confident. So there is

858
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: a I think there's a third option here that I

859
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: think you're dismissing a little bit, which is you go

860
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 1: from he's hurt and he's no good dea, he's healthy

861
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: and he's the best pitcher in baseball again, Or what

862
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: about c which is he's a guy week to week

863
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: you don't know what you're gonna get and you don't

864
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: know if you want to start him. How many people

865
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: were like, should I start out? Contrug? Can I keep

866
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 1: doing this? I mean, Strider in August, you might want

867
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: to jump off a tall building last year, Like, there

868
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: is a third option. I think it's a little you know, well,

869
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to dismiss that for the people too.

870
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:46,719
Speaker 1: So what about that third option where a guy who

871
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: wasn't pitched in two and a half years all of

872
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, I guess mentally where he's at too, because

873
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: there's a feel for pitching too when you haven't done

874
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: in a long time. It does make me a little

875
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: concern that there's another thing where you have him every week,

876
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: you throw him out there, and he's hurting you every

877
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 1: week because he is not right there ready to go again.

878
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:03,959
Speaker 4: Great point.

879
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: So to two things to say about that. One, Al

880
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: Kantara not on the same level as Shami klann in

881
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: as much as being the guy that loves Saniel katar

882
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: back in the day, not the pure stuff of Seami

883
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 2: clann And what we liked about Sandy al Katara was

884
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: that he would be able to go deep into games

885
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: and be able to generate quick outs and not overpower

886
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 2: them in the same way that Seami Clanahan does. With

887
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: Spencer Streyder, we actually saw right away that the stuff

888
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: wasn't as good.

889
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: We knew it.

890
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 2: I I if you follow my stuff, you would know

891
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: that I was like Spencer Strider, no cell, get rid

892
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: of this. This is not the fastball of old, This

893
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 2: is not the slider of old. We see the higher

894
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 2: strike outway. We'll talk about it more later, but like,

895
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 2: there were so many signs that like this is not him,

896
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: and you won't be carrying this dead.

897
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: Weight for the entire season.

898
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: Uh, if you follow exactly what the stuff is their

899
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: with their pictures so you'll know that from mclann fight.

900
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 2: If you don't want to say it before the season starts, okay,

901
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: I'll take it a week or two then, But I

902
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: don't feel like we'll be in the situation of three

903
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: months of sea muklanahan hurting your teams in that what

904
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: I call hipster scenario, headache inducing pictures, stifling the entire

905
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: roster where you don't know if you want to hold

906
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 2: them or drop them. That will not be, in my mind,

907
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: a high percentage. That is like a one percent chance

908
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 2: in my view, happening for Seaman clanahan.

909
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: All right, I think it's much higher than one percent

910
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: for a guy who I mean to me, this is

911
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: the athlete thing of the mental game.

912
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: He is the one percent.

913
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: He's the one percent in terms of talent, but you

914
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: have the one who not. Yeah, here's the problem.

915
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 2: More well rounded than Schrider, for example, is very much

916
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 2: and like as a pitcher too. Schreider's very much is

917
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: like here's my fastball, slider, Ha, got you.

918
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 1: You're not a plan change of.

919
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,320
Speaker 2: Focus much, but better feel of that with a slider

920
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: and like it's it's much more.

921
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 4: I will know them quickly if this just is not there, and.

922
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: I just think we're discounting the mental aspect and the

923
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: fear that exists. I think for a picture was on them.

924
00:39:57,600 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 4: I mean you can interpret that however you want, Joe.

925
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean I could. I mean, there's there's a

926
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: track record of it. You know. I don't want to

927
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 1: go down some of these dark windows are these things

928
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: but unfortunately exists. But it's a good conversation, and I

929
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: think that's this is the this is why we have

930
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: you on because we like having these conversations and it

931
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: helps everybody is watching make their own decisions about it.

932
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: I'm the boys are in on Shay mcclenn in here.

933
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: I'm still not enough of a discount for me. I

934
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,800
Speaker 1: like him outside the top seventy five and I'm not

935
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: getting that Merrill Kelly at sixty five, Bubitch at sixty six,

936
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: Joe Musgrove at sixty seven, connorly Early. This is a

937
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: picture that I know you and I agree on. We

938
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: both like quite a bit. Nick. Problem is there is

939
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: no room at the end right now. So what do

940
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: we do here?

941
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 4: We don't We just don't.

942
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: Don't.

943
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 4: Don't stash pictures, guys.

944
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: A roster spot is so valuable I just listen of

945
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: all of these guys that were productive past Big two

946
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: ninety last.

947
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: Year, that you would be able to get off the waiver?

948
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: Why right away?

949
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: And don't turn that down for Connery Early at some

950
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: point arriving you know when he does arrive. I'm in

951
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 2: on Connelly Early. I think he's a phenomenal picture. It's

952
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: just I don't know when, And don't put yourself through that.

953
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: Well, how about for you Connor Lee Early? I mean,

954
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 1: I guess the flip side of that argument is it's

955
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: a long season and if you have a big enough bench,

956
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: you want as much talent as you can get, so

957
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: you can find guys in April to kind of get

958
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 1: you through if Early's not there or even May. But

959
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean two thirds of a season, you get four

960
00:41:15,600 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: months out of him. I don't know. He does kind

961
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: of ring true a little bit at this ADP.

962
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: For me, it's the unfortunate kind of conversation of the

963
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: piece that I have to say where it's like it

964
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 3: really is format specific, like I am in agreement, like

965
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: there are very little guys that I'm going to stash

966
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 3: in a ten, twelve or fifteen team unless I have

967
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 3: a giant bench or the stashing is more il quantitative.

968
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 3: If you're talking about draft and hold Connie Early is

969
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 3: a different discussion because like, could one of those guys

970
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: be out of a rotation in a month? Yes, absolutely

971
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: so if I'm drafting fifty roster spots, I want to

972
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 3: have him. Listen, Conley Early would be I think we

973
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: were talking about this before we started the show. If

974
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 3: he had a rotation spot or even like the feel

975
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 3: of he was truly fighting for a rotation spot right now,

976
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: he'd be top fifty. Everybody would have him in the

977
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: top fifty. His stuff is ridiculous. He added some there's

978
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 3: like ten to fifteen pounds of muscle. He was working

979
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 3: out here, I think in Arizona with guys like Tarik Skuble,

980
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: a lot of the ASU guys were out here, Like

981
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 3: he's been putting the work in drive line stuff. But

982
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 3: he doesn't have a rotation spot right now. And I

983
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 3: can't put an investment on a guy that just takes

984
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: up a roster spot in so many different ways. By

985
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 3: the way points leagues, that's a big aunt and I can't.

986
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 3: I can't justify a format where I'm like, I'm gonna

987
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 3: eat a month six weeks for a guy like Conley Early.

988
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 3: But I do agree that if we start to see

989
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: Oviedo get beat up or we see an injury, Early

990
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 3: is going to be on every single website's number one

991
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: waiver wire pickups. You have to get him. He's beyond

992
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 3: a streamer. We're all gonna be talking about him. He

993
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 3: just doesn't have a rotation spot. Right now, they've talked

994
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: too glowingly about Oviedo. So yeah, the rank is just

995
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 3: way too high. Unfortunately, he's a draft in hold. He's

996
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: just really not any of those formats.

997
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right. The next guy on the list

998
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,919
Speaker 1: is Bryce Miller, which is a target of Nick Poula.

999
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Bryce Miller of Seattle. Here, Nick,

1000
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: give me your thoughts.

1001
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 4: I mean, it's pretty straightforward.

1002
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 2: Bryce Miller had a lost season, and here he is

1003
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 2: without needing to add a pitch. Bryce Miller's stuff is insane.

1004
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: It's not just the four seemer. The two plane movement

1005
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: on both his Kurtball and is Swep Bread eighty three

1006
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: is insanely good. It's really just a matter of time

1007
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 2: to me that he actually spots those a little bit better,

1008
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: gets more whiffs on those, and understands that he doesn't

1009
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 2: need to just throw four seemers all the time. There's

1010
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: also a splitter that is effective as a whiff pitch

1011
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: to lefties in there too.

1012
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: He has all the tools, he has.

1013
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: An incredible home park. He's going to be in that

1014
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: rotation from the get go. And the Mariners already shown

1015
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: that they like starting their guys. They are not one

1016
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: of those clubs like the Rays who will baby them

1017
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 2: and make them only go four innings or so. They

1018
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 2: will say, great, can you go six innings today?

1019
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 4: Awesome? You got to do that every five days now.

1020
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: So Bryce Miller is in the perfect scenario to just

1021
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 2: go out there and dominate every five days.

1022
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 4: I love this. I think that there's.

1023
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 2: Not like when you have a scenario where guy doesn't

1024
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,720
Speaker 2: need something else, he just needs the reps.

1025
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: Amazing.

1026
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, Garret Cole comes in at seventy. I don't know

1027
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to make that investment this year, considering

1028
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: how last year went for a lot of the guys

1029
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: returning from TJ's and braces. I don't know. I'm again

1030
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: kind of out unless it's a shallow league, in which

1031
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: case I'll think about it. Depending on the end.

1032
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: I mean is in Bradish and Bieber worked.

1033
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: They did, and then we just listed a bunch of

1034
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: guys that did not.

1035
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 4: One Spender Strider. It was just Spencer.

1036
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: Strader and they Alcondra didn't work.

1037
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: No Alkintara came, and Alkansara was at the beginning of

1038
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 2: the season and not like a nile stash and also

1039
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 2: at the end.

1040
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 4: He finally did come back around. But I understand that.

1041
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 3: I'm not too We call these guys the Orthodonics group.

1042
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: If you're just gonna call them the braces, all the

1043
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 3: braces we'll just call Yeah.

1044
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: I like that. Rokies iskey. It's seventy one. His role

1045
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 1: is still in flux. Casey Mice, Nick Pollock. Finally somebody

1046
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: you don't like. Let's talk about the why. Okay.

1047
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 4: I want every pitcher to be dope, all right, I

1048
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 4: just I do.

1049
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: I just live in reality where they're not.

1050
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: He is a Toby right, And I don't like drafting

1051
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: guys like myz who I can't tell you how they

1052
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: get out of that label. The four steamer is a

1053
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: dead zone, is very hittable. Is Slider has been something

1054
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 2: he's been trying to figure out for ages, and he

1055
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: can't do it.

1056
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 4: He's tried a.

1057
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: Slider, cutter, all of that. His other good pitchure is

1058
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 2: a splitter. And really, when you have a pitcher who

1059
00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: does not have a good fastball, and really the only

1060
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: thing that is exceptional is a splitter, that's not a

1061
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:47,800
Speaker 2: consistent pitcher. That is a hard thing to to depend

1062
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: on it routinely throughout a season for lots of strikes,

1063
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: to to expect lots of strikeouts. And the fastball just

1064
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: he needs to throw harder again, and he needs to

1065
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: have a cutter that wors off of it.

1066
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 4: It's just not enough right now.

1067
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to sit here and tell you

1068
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 2: that he's going to add something brand new that's going

1069
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 2: to be great to really compliment it. While I see

1070
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: other pictures like No Camera goinging right after him, who

1071
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: is a command artist, like he has four or five pitches,

1072
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: and it's awesome seeing him as a swatch a south

1073
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: ball with a tight change up for a lot of

1074
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: those last year. And No Camera was a poster child

1075
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: for that. So No Camera's a squatch I would much

1076
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 2: rather have than Casey Miz.

1077
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: That's gotta be a T shirt, right, you gotta put

1078
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,440
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Speaker 1: in at seventy six. Jack Lighter at seventy seven. I'd

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00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: be remiss if I didn't stop and pause on Jack

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00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: Lider a little bit here, just for a moment. Don't

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00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: say anything, Welsh. I want to get the the unfiltered

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00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: jack Lider. Take here from Nick Pollock. Because stats are stats,

1105
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: numbers and numbers, and if I know one thing, Nick

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00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: Pollock is the numbers guy. Last year. If you go

1107
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,960
Speaker 1: and take a look at twenty twenty five, the ERA

1108
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: was three eighty six, the expected RA four four five,

1109
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: the FIP four five three, and the FIP four one five,

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00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock.

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00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: Your thoughts them, well, hold on, let me just real quick.

1112
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 3: The context of Joe is leaving out on this.

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00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 4: You can talk.

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00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 1: I said no context, and I are giving a context.

1115
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: I don't think that's okay.

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00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 3: You know, context, I will I will make my comment

1117
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: after one hundred percent.

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00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:17,919
Speaker 1: You can of course you get a Pollo comment after

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00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 1: Nick Pollock.

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00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 2: Okay, so first and foremost, I like numbers. I wouldn't

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00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 2: call myself a numbers guy. I would say that I

1122
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 2: try to be the merge of the eye test and

1123
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 2: numbers as opposed to because I.

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00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 4: I pitched in college.

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00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: My whole startup was you pitch your gifts so that

1126
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 2: we can actually get video and see them, because there's

1127
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 2: a lot you can learn from watching a guy pitch.

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00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: Then just listening to the spreadsheets. And I don't actually

1129
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 2: use like x FIP and FIP and sierra in those

1130
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 2: because those are just derivatives of the actual data, which

1131
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: is the input the pitches themselves, and they will tell

1132
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: you the things that those stats are trying to give yourself.

1133
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 4: Don't you dare put that on me?

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00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: Joe? All right, Okay, just getting around it, but we

1135
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: do agree it.

1136
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 2: Last year I thought that this was going to be

1137
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 2: something that was a possible breakout because the force Seamer

1138
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: on paper looks pretty cool. It is an elite velocity pitch.

1139
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: It is a flat attack angle. He has good extension,

1140
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: it has good IVYB and all that stuff, and oh boy,

1141
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 2: he just can't command and It's so frustrating watching this

1142
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 2: guy pitch because you feel like these things should work,

1143
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: and then he just can't execute what he needs to

1144
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 2: do in that moment. He needs that slider working down

1145
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 2: in a way, and it's just nope, that's not every there.

1146
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: Maybe there's a sinker. Actually, you might add cool, But

1147
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 4: I just can't play this game. He is a hipster

1148
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 4: to me.

1149
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: He is someone that I can blink and he could

1150
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: be amazing for a season, and that'd be great. But

1151
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 2: when it comes to being a fancy baseball manager, I

1152
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 2: can't draft Jack Lighter and hold on to this because

1153
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 2: I won't be able to know if it's time to

1154
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 2: drop him or not for far too long.

1155
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: He said everything that I feel very eloquently about Jack Lider. Wesh,

1156
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: go ahead, no no, no, no, no, no no.

1157
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: What is getting lost in here is Joe screaming and

1158
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 3: ranting every week that he doesn't belong pitching, that he's

1159
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 3: a nepo baby, that he wasn't one of the best

1160
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: college pitchers that we've seen in the last.

1161
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: Twenty one of the college PA.

1162
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 4: Said he was a neo baby, that said he was.

1163
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: A good college pitcher, and I said, considering his minor

1164
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: league track record, He's gotten a lot of opportunities to

1165
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: prove himself, and to me, he still found.

1166
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 4: Lie And I think, well, no, no, it's a hilarious.

1167
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 3: I'm not I've never advocated that you want to go

1168
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 3: and like own Jack Lder and you play him every

1169
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 3: single week. But the discussions were that he is absolutely nothing,

1170
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:44,919
Speaker 3: and the only reason he's here is because his father

1171
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: is out Lighter And I look and I see plus

1172
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,840
Speaker 3: stuff numbers, there's inconsistencies. His fastball grades out well. He

1173
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 3: had a killer fastball slider combination in college that he

1174
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 3: has not quite developed in the major leagues. And by

1175
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,959
Speaker 3: the way, he's twenty five years old, and the Range

1176
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 3: have kind of re vamped their their their entire pitching

1177
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 3: development and how they're treating these guys. Jack Lader's gone

1178
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,359
Speaker 3: through like he got taken out of the miners for

1179
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 3: like a full month just to go into kind of

1180
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: developmental health. So I just want I don't want this

1181
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,439
Speaker 3: to be about like, hey, wel she's like you got

1182
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 3: a draft Jack Lighter.

1183
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 4: No, not at all. That was me defending that this isn't.

1184
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 3: Just some NEPO baby. This was one of the most

1185
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: dominant college pitchers who like, if he can get his

1186
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 3: fastball slider in the command up. He showed signs last

1187
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 3: year he'd have four or five stretches. But yeah, he's

1188
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: not someone you could trust.

1189
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: He's like a Marko Pell dominant college pitcher. Okay, he

1190
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: never got that college picture.

1191
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 4: Why are you doing? That happened? This is what would

1192
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 4: happen like.

1193
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: These that he that somehow does. I can, I can

1194
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,280
Speaker 1: go on if you want. There's a lot of dominant

1195
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: pitchers that don't translate to the major leagues. Pitching college

1196
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: is something that is. I don't say he wasn't a

1197
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: dominant college pitcher because he was. He was very good.

1198
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 1: My whole point is, to me, he's not been special

1199
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: and so far he hasn't shown me as Nick put,

1200
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: the ability to get out when he needs to, and

1201
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: he struggles with the and he he struggles with it.

1202
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 3: Feel like he just had a five v R Yeah,

1203
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 3: three two eight second half VRA was pretty good lest.

1204
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: All, almost like in numbers boys. Basically what happened was

1205
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: the expected ERA was four and a half. That is

1206
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: league average at best.

1207
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't, I don't care what.

1208
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: The X fine is. The only reasons you guys can

1209
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: love pictures, that can love pictures who have four walks

1210
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: per nine. I think that's great. I think when you

1211
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: watch guys, that's obviously that's obviously a recipe for success.

1212
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 1: All the great pictures in Major League Baseball history.

1213
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 4: But I just said it was on your side.

1214
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: Oh Joe just burned it down.

1215
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: I love it, burned it down. You are on my

1216
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 1: side for a second there, and then you started, you know,

1217
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: because you're you're being rid, all right. Quinn Priest at

1218
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: seventy eight, could I say good seventy nine? Unfortunately Pablo

1219
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: Lopez no longer with us this season. Shout out to

1220
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: Pablo Grayson Rodriguez at eighty one real quick, because I

1221
00:52:58,400 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: don't want to spend a lot of time on Grace Rodriguez.

1222
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: More big curiosity, Nick Pollock, let me know, were not?

1223
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: I agree? This is where I agree. Okay, yes, more

1224
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: curiosity on Grayson Rodriguez. Good next up here. And but

1225
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Grayson got it well, I mean.

1226
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 4: It's because it's a different price for him. That's fine.

1227
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: It's moving on a different price. Well, Sa m Klin

1228
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: and sixty fourth pitcher off the Boardez is the eightieth

1229
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: that's a big difference. Well, she is that not a

1230
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: big difference.

1231
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 3: For you numerically, that is, but those are also like

1232
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: the back end of your rotation. They're both like that.

1233
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 4: That's like the one.

1234
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: It's not just that, it's also the it's also the

1235
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: overall players that are available at.

1236
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,760
Speaker 3: That we're having We are having a lot of fun.

1237
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: Now, but I think the overall players in that area.

1238
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: You're looking at some names and I still want on

1239
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 1: my rosters and if I'm going to take a shot

1240
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: on the picture I wanted to. I just wanted to

1241
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,240
Speaker 1: cost me a little less. If I think he bottoms.

1242
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: Out, yeah, he definitely lost. Grayson's not a top twenty

1243
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 3: prospect if he our top twenty sp if he's healthy.

1244
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 4: But to your point, he didn't know.

1245
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: But you know, it's funny how we all forget two

1246
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: years ago people were falling over themselves about Grayson Rodrige

1247
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: as being one of They're both.

1248
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 4: Great, but McClanahan is better at the people.

1249
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 1: Is absolutely better and more proof he was a son,

1250
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that.

1251
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 3: But again about our awesome guys, we have awesome guys

1252
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 3: to talk about.

1253
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: We're talking about Yeah, Logan Henderson at eighty two, Sealman

1254
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: I eighty three. Uh, continuing off for this group here. Look,

1255
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: it's a lot of guys like the Zebbie Matthews who

1256
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 1: haven't quite figured it out yet. Guys like Ryan Weathers,

1257
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: who you know at eighty nine could start the year

1258
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: in a rotation and then who knows if he gets

1259
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: bumped at some point. For other guys they returned from

1260
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: all this, But Ryan Weathers Nick is a guy that

1261
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 1: I want to start with because that is one that

1262
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,720
Speaker 1: I feel like if you're looking for early help, Weathers

1263
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: could be one of those guys and again costs you

1264
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: almost nothing.

1265
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,479
Speaker 2: This this is another perfect example of what we're talking

1266
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: about here, Like this is a is a draft pick

1267
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 2: of free. If my last pick of my draft gives

1268
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: me two months of stellar production, that's unbelievable. You're like

1269
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 2: you thrilled if you're not drafting because you're worried about

1270
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: Rodin and Cole returning. Are you suggesting that this rotation

1271
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: will be exactly the same at that point? Anyway, this

1272
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: happens all the time where there's a guy returning from

1273
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: injury and we don't draft some Atlanta players because oh

1274
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: Spencer strider is gonna return, so they're gonna get bumped. Yeah, okay,

1275
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 2: like all these other pictures got hurt, and it's a

1276
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 2: completely different situation. At that point, you don't really know

1277
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. I don't even think it's gonna be Weathers.

1278
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 2: That would be the one that would get kicked out

1279
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,440
Speaker 2: if Weathers is healthy at that point and Weathers, as

1280
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: far as a skill set goes, uh yeah, he has

1281
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,399
Speaker 2: an amazing change up with the ninety six ninety seven

1282
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 2: velocity and an improved slider. And honestly, there's one change.

1283
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 2: There's one change.

1284
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I know.

1285
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like a stupidada, like the doctors don't want

1286
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 2: to let you know this one secret, but this is

1287
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,439
Speaker 2: really it. The Miami Marlins, for some reason, don't teach

1288
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: their lefties to throw inside sinkers. Heyesus Lozardo did not

1289
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: throw an inside sinker, but he had all this horizontal

1290
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 2: movement on his for steamer dead zone for steamer though,

1291
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 2: And what happens He goes to the Phillies, where do

1292
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 2: they go, Oh, hey, throw inside sinkers the lefties. All

1293
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's amazing fastball out of lefties and

1294
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 2: He's solved his lefty problem.

1295
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: Right.

1296
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 2: That was one of the biggest changes for Thozardo last year.

1297
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 2: Unfortunately not enough for the bollatillity, but that's another story.

1298
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 2: Now Weathers has not thrown a sinker inside to lefties,

1299
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 2: but he has this horizontal movement on the like the

1300
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 2: five sinkers that he's thrown. Yeah, the Yankees are going

1301
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: to do that. So Weathers to me is is value

1302
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 2: of the wazoo here. And if you're worried about injury

1303
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 2: or him gating replaced, who cares. He's in the rotation

1304
00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: right now for your last pick, amazing one percent.

1305
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 1: Uh love it. Let's get to another guy here in

1306
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 1: this last grouping. I know for me outside the top

1307
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: seventy five, Ian Cymore is a guy that I keep

1308
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,560
Speaker 1: circling and drafting. Late Welsh Ryan Nelson's one of those

1309
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: guys for you is just come back to the defense

1310
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: of the Diamondbacks.

1311
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely a part of it.

1312
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I that, like, I think that's like

1313
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: Nick said, it's got to be accounted for for some

1314
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: of those top end guys. But also like Nelson was

1315
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 3: pretty great last year, he's kind of maintained a couple

1316
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: of straight years. If he's not walking you saw you

1317
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 3: shouldn't see like a slow uptick. As far as strikeout,

1318
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: it's still not great. But you know, twenty to twenty one,

1319
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: if that starts to tick up a little bit more,

1320
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 3: is that stuff becomes bigger. He saw a half a

1321
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: mile increase on his fastball stuff plus numbers. He was

1322
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,359
Speaker 3: overall one oh eight, his fastball one point fifteen. Like,

1323
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 3: Ryan Nelson is sneaky and he is now out. If

1324
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 3: people don't remember, he was kind of put in that

1325
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,919
Speaker 3: like pseudo relief, long relief to start the season. That's

1326
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 3: not happening now, Like he is the guy. And even

1327
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 3: though they brought in Zach Gallon, guess what they're not

1328
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 3: discussing Ryan Nelson going to the bullpen. It's Brandon Fott,

1329
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 3: it's as Ward Rodriguez, or it's Mike Soroca crying about it.

1330
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 3: Like one of them are going to have to cry

1331
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 3: about it. It's not gonna be Ryan Nelson and they're

1332
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: gonna let him go. And you know, he was the

1333
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 3: most consistent if you really want to break it down,

1334
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 3: like like maybe you could say Merrill, but like for

1335
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 3: the entirety of the season, he was the most consistent

1336
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 3: of any of those guys. If you want to look

1337
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 3: at expected numbers, he's expected ERA was also under four.

1338
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 3: So that's just more of a support system to say, like, hey,

1339
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 3: this can be really can be a three and a

1340
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: half RA guy that you know, he's throwing solid stuff,

1341
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 3: the fastball is ticking up in the right direction. And

1342
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:01,959
Speaker 3: if you can get up to twenty two to twenty

1343
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,360
Speaker 3: three K percentage, not a top three he's gonna be

1344
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 3: Brian wu going from twenty to twenty six percent K percentage.

1345
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 4: But like he's in that general vicinity.

1346
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 3: And then like we said, there's a pretty good defense

1347
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 3: that's around him that might end up creating an extra

1348
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 3: inning for quality starts, might get you an extra win

1349
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: or two into the season, and might you know, save

1350
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 3: a decent amount of runs to keep that into like

1351
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 3: a low three ERA. So, like Ryan Nelson, I think

1352
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 3: it's just like such a good back end of the rotation,

1353
00:58:28,560 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 3: your fantasy rotation to snatch because I think there's just

1354
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 3: like a maybe he's not like the exciting Grayson Rodriguez upside,

1355
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 3: but he's kind of like fun, boring, you know what

1356
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: I mean.

1357
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 4: It's just like what have you got like.

1358
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 3: Low three low walk guy that's floating out there at

1359
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 3: the end of your draft and you don't have to

1360
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 3: stream him out. I like Ryan Nelson a lot, and

1361
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: I'm one.

1362
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 4: Of the best fastballs in baseball. It's amazing.

1363
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: And your old dating profile didn't he used to say

1364
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: fun boring.

1365
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 4: Oh why would you what?

1366
00:58:56,480 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 3: I'm actually probably a fun boring. I'm probably more of

1367
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: a fun boring I go on both sides of that.

1368
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: Oh stop, all right, let's talk about the sleepers, the

1369
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: bus and the bus haves here, Nick, why don't you

1370
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: start us off with a sleeper that everybody should be

1371
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 1: looking at.

1372
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 2: I mean, okay, there are there are two that are

1373
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 2: really sticking out. I know it sounds crazy. It's not

1374
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: your boy, Ian Seymore. I'm really sorry, but he's not going.

1375
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: To be in the rotation Joe yet yet someday.

1376
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,120
Speaker 2: I know, but no, we don't stash guys. I do

1377
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,640
Speaker 2: like Ian Seymour if he were in the rotation. Bailey

1378
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:24,479
Speaker 2: Ober is one.

1379
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 4: Just so you know.

1380
00:59:25,640 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: Here, Bailey Ober I know we all did not like

1381
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: last year, but he was actually dealing with injuries and

1382
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 2: it's it's kind of wild to me that Bailly Over

1383
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 2: is just getting completely forgottenbout now he's gonna get the

1384
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 2: opportunity if he's velocip he is back up a little bit, like, yeah,

1385
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 2: he was really good in the previous years with an

1386
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: amazing elite change up that was still good last year.

1387
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: But the one that we don't talk about now is

1388
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: Ryan Weiss. Ryan Weis is coming from the KBO. He

1389
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: had a phenomenal season there, tons of strikeouts and he's

1390
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: really a hard throwing ninety five ninety six with an

1391
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:01,040
Speaker 2: amazing slider. So you throw that to the astros who

1392
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 2: are likely gonna have a six memortation and they want

1393
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 2: to get innings, they want to get They got Ryan

1394
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 2: Weiss because he was able to go along in games

1395
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 2: and the KBO, and like, yes, please do that for

1396
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: us now, So do get a guy that has the

1397
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:17,040
Speaker 2: opportunity of going ninety pitches in a game with a

1398
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:21,480
Speaker 2: possible twenty four percent strike out rate. That seems really

1399
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: really exciting for me. So I think that Ryan is

1400
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 2: getting overlooked a lot guy.

1401
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: Right two well, shift memory serves totally different guy, a

1402
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: totally different game. Yah. Yeah, on my right, Kate Arizona

1403
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 1: and then KC for a little while too, but no

1404
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 1: big league experience. I don't remember him ever. No, he

1405
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: did not pitch ever making to make league. So that

1406
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: interesting name there. See, that's a free guy. That's your

1407
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: last pick, everybody. Ryan Weiss listened to Nick Pollock. That's

1408
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: a good one, Welsh. Another guy who's come back to

1409
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: the major leagues. Here is one of your sleeper guys.

1410
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Cody Ponce.

1411
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 3: How about the KBO MVP, you know one eight to

1412
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: nine era completely transform I mean again kbouble a triple

1413
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 3: a version of the majors. However you want to look

1414
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 3: at that, but completely revamped fastball came up two ticks.

1415
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 4: I also think we talked about.

1416
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 3: This on a show I'm forgetting which show it was,

1417
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 3: but underrated is just like being in a room with

1418
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 3: like Kevin Gossman and Dylan Cees and the way they

1419
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:20,920
Speaker 3: have all connected working through a splitter like that with

1420
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 3: a fastball uptick. I think there's a lot of good

1421
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 3: stuff in store for Cody Ponts. And he absolutely dominated

1422
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 3: the KBO last year, and he is forty ninety nine,

1423
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: so you know, you take that MVP with that stuff

1424
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 3: on paper, the stuff looks really good. Obviously, we've got

1425
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 3: to see if it's going to materialize. But he costs

1426
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 3: you absolutely nothing, and guess what, he gets blown out

1427
01:01:40,120 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 3: at the top, like we've been talking about. You cut

1428
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: him and you move on. But there is a legitimate

1429
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 3: shot where you know, Cody Ponts carry some of this

1430
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,479
Speaker 3: over that fastball plays for his secondaries to just become

1431
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 3: real out pitches, and then all of a sudden, he's

1432
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 3: a guy that you don't get out of your rotation

1433
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: the entire year. So I liked, all.

1434
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: Right, Nick, we're gonna open up the entire pitching market

1435
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 1: to you, and not just the forty five and above group,

1436
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: which is also in his dating profile. Very funny, but

1437
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: see that's running joke, Nick, that's it. Let's talk about it.

1438
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: Give me your Mond guy, the guy that you are

1439
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: not buying it on his ADP and why I thought

1440
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: it was pretty funny.

1441
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 4: That was a pretty good line.

1442
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:20,920
Speaker 2: I gotta say, Yeah, I'm just completely on on Spencer Striders.

1443
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 4: It's pretty clear. I know it's going to sound like

1444
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 4: a long story, but it's very simple.

1445
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: I've never seen and I actually put this out into

1446
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: all the analysts I know in the industry. I asked,

1447
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 2: and no one had an answer for it. A pitcher

1448
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 2: with an Elite four seemer have Tommy John come back

1449
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:40,080
Speaker 2: and not have an Elite four seemer to then regain

1450
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: it the next year. It has never happened. And though

1451
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 2: even the quotes that we've seen have been like, I

1452
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: am working to do more with my arso like it's

1453
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:53,840
Speaker 2: essentially acknowledging the fact that Spencer Strider is not the

1454
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: Spencer Strider revolved.

1455
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: But Nick, you had a really good strikeout rate last year.

1456
01:02:57,040 --> 01:02:57,680
Speaker 4: He could be really good.

1457
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he had a fifteen strikeout game. Again, it's

1458
01:03:00,200 --> 01:03:02,960
Speaker 2: the Colorado Rockets, and that is messing things up a

1459
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 2: little bit here. I do not believe that Spencer Stryder,

1460
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 2: the pitcher and not the thrower, is actually worth your

1461
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 2: time more so than a lot of other guys. I

1462
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: have him in the seventies, and that is saying, look,

1463
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 2: maybe there is something else seventies games.

1464
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 4: I know you're looking at it like that not likely,

1465
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 4: But I don't.

1466
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: Top twenty five. Why is it extreme?

1467
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,800
Speaker 4: I don't think that. I I don't.

1468
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a guarantee in any way that

1469
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 2: Spencer Strider is going to be productive and good for

1470
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: your fantasy teams because last year he wasn't necessarily like

1471
01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: there was a lot of times you probably shouldn't have

1472
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: been more the guys's covered after.

1473
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 1: That didn't hold on wait wait wait, yeah, I asked

1474
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: the question that that didn't recover their their fastball. I

1475
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: want to know some of the games and see whether

1476
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: or not we thought they ended up becoming good pitchers

1477
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:51,640
Speaker 1: after all, Well, you said, who are the guys that

1478
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: and then didn't look as they had.

1479
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I because that's gonna remember that living

1480
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: in the top of my head, but like you know,

1481
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 2: I will, I'll get that for you after you do Walsh's.

1482
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 4: But yeah, it was essentially just that's the.

1483
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: Interesting part to me is I never have those names

1484
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: because like, to me, then then we would see goes okay,

1485
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: well that's still a good enough picture, like and to

1486
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: rank him seventy, you know, extreme if he was still

1487
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: not quite the same guy but productive to a certain degree,

1488
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: maybe a top fifty pitcher still or top thirty even

1489
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: potentially you know, Okay.

1490
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 4: It could be.

1491
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 2: But that's the thing is, like that's what you're hoping for, right,

1492
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 2: So I don't want to go I'm not going to

1493
01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 2: draft him there because I mean.

1494
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: There was there was no Maata that showed anybody who

1495
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: had an elite fastball to that level. Who I mean,

1496
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: how often does it come back?

1497
01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 3: Lost it and then regained it, got back?

1498
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:44,120
Speaker 1: Does it come back for these guys?

1499
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's never. Yeah.

1500
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's like, for example, you cheat, Harvish,

1501
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Speaker 2: I did right, Jose Fernandez did right coming back from

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01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 2: Tommy John. We've seen that before. This is UCL INTERNS.

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01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 2: I guess maybe, and then maybe that facternal brace where

1504
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:02,760
Speaker 2: could be that that doesn't help? But then again, no,

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01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: Drew Rasmussen had the internal brace.

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01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: And brace too, right, I think he had the brace sarch.

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Speaker 1: The reason I'm asking because I'm trying to I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to like put some things together here, the pieces together

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01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: for people drafting some of these guys next year.

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Speaker 2: And then sure, I think really the more important part

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01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 2: is that he didn't have it. And you know, instead

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01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:23,720
Speaker 2: of saying like cool with brace, you get this with

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01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: tjse of that, if you don't have it, we've never seen.

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Speaker 1: A good spring where he's throwing ninety eight. Change your opinion.

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01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: If he's throwing ninety eight consistently sitting there as he

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01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 2: has in the past, with the same IVB the vert

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01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: and the same extension and the same attack angle, making

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01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: it the same fastballs before.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely would change my mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, moving right up to sixty nine.

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01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: All right, Welsh, give me your bust that you want

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Speaker 1: to talk about in this range.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,160
Speaker 3: I didn't even realize I did this too, but we

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01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: both pick guys who were not necessarily in this uh

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01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 3: this range of that we've been talking yours. Yeah, actually

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01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: I thought he was a little Okay, it's been a

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01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 3: long episode.

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Speaker 4: This is what we do when we get to Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess he lost fifty seven.

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01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: This is while you come to the channels, while you

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Speaker 1: stay to the channel.

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Speaker 3: Uh tatso yah am my is my buss and I

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01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 3: you know, I will admit seeing it at if he

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01:06:16,800 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 3: is fifty seven. The fifty seven is a lot more

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01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: like palatable, I suppose in the cost. I do think

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01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 3: we're on a rocket ship that's going to come up,

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01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: because like all that you're getting over the last week

1539
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 3: is like, oh my gosh, this splitter is going to

1540
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 3: be absolutely unhittable. But you know, I've been able to

1541
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,040
Speaker 3: get over specifically one thing. It's been the market for him,

1542
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,000
Speaker 3: you know, like there's only so many great pictures that

1543
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 3: anybody can have any investment on, and ended up being

1544
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 3: a market where it was like three years and it

1545
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 3: was attached to a super low innings cap. I mean,

1546
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: his incentives are built around like seventy eighty and ninety innings,

1547
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 3: Like what what was the holdback that people had coming out?

1548
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 3: There was also a big question about his reverse slider

1549
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 3: and how that was really going to work.

1550
01:06:58,440 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 4: So, like his splitter's.

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01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 3: Disgusting, no doubt, but I just wonder, like, you know,

1552
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,240
Speaker 3: are we going to lay off the splitter? Is the

1553
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 3: fastball going to set things up enough? And is this

1554
01:07:07,600 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 3: reverse slider, which I think a lot of people have

1555
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 3: had questions about, is it going to dominate at a

1556
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 3: level where he can be just like an elite, elite

1557
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 3: fantasy pitcher. So I'm going to fully acknowledge if he

1558
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 3: is like fifty seven, because I don't want to like

1559
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 3: be a hypocrite and say, like, well, it's not really

1560
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 3: that bad of a cost. If it doesn't work out,

1561
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 3: you can kind of move on. I'm I guess I'm

1562
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,000
Speaker 3: working more in a market where I've seen him going

1563
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 3: inside the top fifty, and I think there's just some

1564
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 3: questions outside of just focusing on local. My gosh, just

1565
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 3: splitter and oh my gosh, you splitter. It's like even the

1566
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 3: team themselves are like, can you get us one hundred

1567
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:40,560
Speaker 3: innings in here? And I'm just not sure that the

1568
01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 3: fastball and the reverse slider are going to be as

1569
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:46,200
Speaker 3: dominant to set up this splitter to be this disgusting

1570
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 3: pitch and he's going to be Yamamoto or anything like that.

1571
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 3: So I don't love the cost. But you know, like

1572
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 3: I said, the fifty seven isn't as crazy as like

1573
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 3: my brain was working with him.

1574
01:07:57,240 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: Now we have some fun because the must have guess

1575
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: who Nick Pollocks is? Everybody, am I?

1576
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 4: That's right, touts to you, am I, And I have

1577
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 4: him at thirty three.

1578
01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 2: So I see someone who the Astros got to just

1579
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 2: be an endings eater, same kind of way that they

1580
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: got Ryan Weiss is like, cool, Wait, you only have

1581
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 2: to pay like twenty four million or whatever it is

1582
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 2: for you, it'd be great, twenty million, awesome, we'll take

1583
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: a year of that. Oh but it was sixty million

1584
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 2: plus for threes and he has an opt out he's

1585
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:26,160
Speaker 2: going to get this, and am I is? Well, he

1586
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 2: has a track where I essentially pitching like a veteran.

1587
01:08:28,760 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 2: He has a fastball that is absurdly flat like Joe Ryan's.

1588
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:35,360
Speaker 2: If you don't understand that, it's a forcing rate throws

1589
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: upstairs that has a flat attack angle which is really

1590
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 2: hard to make contact with the normal bat path upstairs.

1591
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 2: In other words, it's gonna miss a lot of bats upstairs, guys.

1592
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: All right, It's at faster velocity than Joe Ryan's as well.

1593
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,439
Speaker 2: The splitter has three different shapes and he manipulates it.

1594
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: And this is a lot of stuff from Lance Berdowski's breakdown,

1595
01:08:52,960 --> 01:08:55,720
Speaker 2: which I highly recommend you watch on YouTube. Mouse Inuo

1596
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 2: Stars did have a breakdown as well where he does

1597
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:00,640
Speaker 2: make that Joe Ryan comparisons where I got that from

1598
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 2: the slider and you say the reverse slider, I'm not

1599
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,040
Speaker 2: really worried about that. Just think of as a gyros slider, guys,

1600
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 2: and those are typical ones. Those are standard affairs. So

1601
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 2: I think that's a has been a very good pitch,

1602
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 2: A good with pitch for him overseas should still be.

1603
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: This is a complete pitcher to me, This is someone

1604
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 2: that is a gamer who who sits ninety four to

1605
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 2: ninety five on his four seamer and then pushes it

1606
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 2: later in the game to eighty eight, sorry, ninety eight

1607
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:33,600
Speaker 2: rather and understands that you're not supposed to just go

1608
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 2: max effort every time. How you actually get your outs,

1609
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: get your strikeouts, get through games. I see a really

1610
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: safe pitcher here for a good ball club.

1611
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:43,360
Speaker 4: You want to be pitching for the.

1612
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 2: Astros and they're going to Yeah, they're going to throw

1613
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:48,639
Speaker 2: them out there for ninety plus pitches every time.

1614
01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 4: This is a great pick.

1615
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: All right, there you go, So two different ends of

1616
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:55,240
Speaker 1: the spectrum on in my tunes, the spectrum on a

1617
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 1: lot of different guys are in the show. Well, close

1618
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 1: us out here with your must have in this range

1619
01:09:58,760 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 1: that we're talking about.

1620
01:10:00,120 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna change mine because I think it's only appropriate

1621
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 3: for the show. Your must have is actually lower than

1622
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 3: I originally picked, Shane Boz. But you know what, gotta

1623
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: have Shane McClanahan, and I think that's been proven on

1624
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 3: this episode. So must have Shane McClanahan and a little

1625
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,400
Speaker 3: nod to Shane Boz for my must have.

1626
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: All right, make sure you check out all the ultimate

1627
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,519
Speaker 1: Guides here again. This is part two of the Starting Pitchers.

1628
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: Part one was of you know, Sarahs. We've had an

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01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 1: amazing run here with these shows. They're all gonna be

1630
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 1: a playlist for you that you can watch them on YouTube.

1631
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: Get ready for all your leagues. So just go through

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01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: them all all the infields, of the outfields, the starting pitchers,

1633
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: everything's here for you. Trying to get everybody ready for

1634
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: the season. And Nick, we always love having you all

1635
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 1: because we like to have good discussions. If you want

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01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,640
Speaker 1: everyone to sit here and agree with each other, what

1637
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: are we doing? That's the whole point. The whole point

1638
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: is this is that we bring up different questions. We

1639
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 1: challenge each other so that you can go out there

1640
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 1: make the decisions that you think are the best for

1641
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,679
Speaker 1: your fantasy seasons. And I think that makes for good television,

1642
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 1: That makes for good conversation. And Nick Pollock, you always

1643
01:10:54,120 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 1: make for a good conversation. Go check out picture list,

1644
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:58,599
Speaker 1: not just because of the eighty thousand words they wrote,

1645
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 1: because all the pitching breakdowns the best in the business.

1646
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: Nick does it a phenomenal job. He's a friend of ours,

1647
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 1: is a friend of the show. And Nick every year

1648
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we couldn't be a part of Pitchcon this year.

1649
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,799
Speaker 1: We were on the road this year Welsh and myself.

1650
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: But can still people go ahead and donate and make

1651
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 1: make sure that they are part of this program again

1652
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 1: because every year you're raising money for ALS and it's

1653
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 1: a huge thing and we love to be a part

1654
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,960
Speaker 1: of it. Couldn't be this year as the first year

1655
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: we haven't been, but it this is your way for people.

1656
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 2: ALS one dot org. Just donate directly to it. Yeah,

1657
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: we raised I believe over fourteen thousand dollars for the cause.

1658
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 2: One hundred percent went straight to it. Absolutely incredible, So

1659
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 2: it's a huge testament to the entire community being a

1660
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:38,800
Speaker 2: part of it as well. You guys have been part

1661
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:41,439
Speaker 2: of it for years now and yeah, looking forward to

1662
01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:43,760
Speaker 2: doing it again next year. But it is actually all

1663
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 2: available on YouTube right now and also via podcast We

1664
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 2: have former years as well as different seasons as a

1665
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 2: Pitchcon audio, So if you missed out and you want

1666
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:56,320
Speaker 2: to catch it just there, go listen to a podcasts

1667
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 2: or watch it on YouTube.

1668
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,400
Speaker 1: Great to see as always, my friend, everyone going to

1669
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:02,360
Speaker 1: pick let's check it out today. Good stuff and everyone

1670
01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:04,799
Speaker 1: go get that Shane Mcclanahea mug too. That's pretty snazzy

1671
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:06,559
Speaker 1: mug there. That'll do it for us, But the story

1672
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 1: of the game goes on. For Nick Pollock in the Welsh,

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01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids.

1674
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,600
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1675
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