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Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club Morning.

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Speaker 2: Everybody is DJ en vy Ess hilarious, Charlamagne the guy.

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Speaker 2: We are the Breakfast Club and we got a special

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Speaker 2: guest in the building, the legendary Jasmine Guy. Welcome back,

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Speaker 2: Good morning.

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Speaker 3: How are you feeling.

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Speaker 4: I felt great.

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Speaker 5: I love doing your show the last time and I

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Speaker 5: got a lot of positive feedback.

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Speaker 1: I love you. Yeah, come on.

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Speaker 5: It was a different kind of interview though than there.

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Speaker 5: You to My daddy was like, you were a little

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Speaker 5: too comfortable. You act like they were at your house. Champagne, right, yes,

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Speaker 5: champagne whatever that was. I didn't even like it, and

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Speaker 5: I was drinking that. But my father said that you

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Speaker 5: would put more in when I was looking at Kadeen.

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Speaker 4: That's what he said.

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Speaker 5: He said, whenever you looked at Kadeen before, more in there.

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Speaker 5: So I'm I'm thinking, I'm just drinking one glass.

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Speaker 4: Were probably have four.

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Speaker 5: Swanty whatever, but I'm drinking anywhere at seven o'clock in

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Speaker 5: the morning.

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Speaker 4: Embarrassing, is that you talking? You was just sitting back

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Speaker 4: there just laughing.

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Speaker 5: No, No, it was good because you ask questions that

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Speaker 5: people don't usually ask. You know, we get the same

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Speaker 5: questions over and over, especially about a different world. And

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Speaker 5: I just like that it went into other areas of

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Speaker 5: my life and my career and his too, because anybody

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Speaker 5: can look at any interviews we've done and get those answers.

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Speaker 5: It's the same answer, you know what I mean? So

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Speaker 5: can we talk about something else? You know, can we

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Speaker 5: bring it to another element that hasn't been explored with us?

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Speaker 6: And you've done so much more since since, absolutely, like

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Speaker 6: right now, you want your first Emmys went.

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Speaker 4: For the Chronicles of Jessica Woo. Yes, that was a trip.

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Speaker 5: So I was going to Mexico to hang out with

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Speaker 5: my girlfriends, and I land and I get all these

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Speaker 5: checks from people saying congratulation on your Emmy nomination, and

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Speaker 5: I really thought people would messing with me.

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Speaker 4: I didn't even call them back. I said whatever.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't even And then when I realized I really

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Speaker 5: had been nominated, I thought it was for the show Harlem.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay.

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Speaker 5: Chronicles of Jessica Woo. I had done two. It was

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Speaker 5: before COVID. It was a long time ago, and I

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Speaker 5: only worked on it for a day. It was a

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Speaker 5: very interesting project to me because the production company was

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Speaker 5: a couple a small black production company. The superhero in

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Speaker 5: whatever put her on the spectrum made her a superhero.

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Speaker 5: Their daughter had an autistic child anyway, So I said, well,

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Speaker 5: I'll do it because I know after this they're gonna

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Speaker 5: need distribution.

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Speaker 4: And who knew that's what you know.

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Speaker 5: What I'm saying, my love for them and what I

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Speaker 5: know about you know, pitching ideas. You're gonna need a name.

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Speaker 5: I know I've heard it all. And I said, well,

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Speaker 5: I'll be your name. This is gonna be good. And

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Speaker 5: it was a short series, like a wepisode series. The

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Speaker 5: other Oscar nomination I got was also from an independent

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Speaker 5: black company and it was my nephew Emmett, and I

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Speaker 5: played im mitills aren't on the night that he was

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Speaker 5: taken from their home, and I was like, oh shit,

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Speaker 5: I do not want to go to Mississippi.

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Speaker 4: And I'm telling you.

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Speaker 5: We stayed right down the street from where he got abducted.

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Speaker 1: Mississippi still got that same energy.

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Speaker 5: Thank you change I was gonna say, I felt ghosts,

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Speaker 5: yeah you know, And I did it, and they got

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Speaker 5: nominated for an Oscar night. When the director called me,

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Speaker 5: he was a graduate student from NYU Film School. His

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Speaker 5: mentors with Spike Lee and Casey Lemmon's right Beautiful Brother,

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Speaker 5: and the and the crew and everybody. I had a

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Speaker 5: great artistic experience. But when he told me we, you know,

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Speaker 1: That saunds a lot though, like about how you know.

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Speaker 6: I guess black actors and actresses are conditioned in Hollywood

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Speaker 6: that when they get told that they're even nominated, they

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Speaker 5: Well, when you ignored long enough, you got the message.

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Speaker 5: I got the message. If you're not nominating a different world,

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Speaker 5: Debbie Allen, Susan fails our wardrobe department, any other actor

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Speaker 5: on that show. I stopped focusing on y'all giving me

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Speaker 5: I told the actors, I said, we just gotta be good,

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Speaker 5: you know, forget all these accolades or whatever.

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Speaker 4: They obviously do you.

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Speaker 5: Know how many times they said to me, even on

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Speaker 5: I think I did Dennis Miller, remember Dennis Malanta talk show.

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Speaker 5: He started with, so how does it feel being between

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Speaker 5: just sat down, you know, you come out all cute

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Speaker 5: and whatever. And I was like, he said, that wasn't

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Speaker 5: a good lead in question. I said, no, it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about Cosby and Tears.

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Speaker 5: Everybody said we were number two because we came between them, Okay.

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Speaker 4: And that was the first question. That was the message.

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Speaker 5: That was the message that we got this actors as

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Speaker 5: you know, performers, and we never got our props for

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Speaker 5: not not just the acting, but it was Debbie Allen,

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Speaker 5: Susan fails me.

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Speaker 4: Three black women in charge of that show. You know

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Speaker 4: what I mean?

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Speaker 5: We could have been on the cover of Essence, and

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Speaker 5: I just knew who really saw us and who really

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Speaker 1: Why when that worked?

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Speaker 5: Fight for that's the same white motherfuckers said.

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Speaker 7: Cold up to date, you came to the right shows.

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Speaker 2: You can't say that word, so you can go back

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Speaker 2: here the same white motherfuckers make sure you forget.

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Speaker 4: It's the same world. Just look, okay.

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Speaker 5: So Carcy Warner, our producers also produced a show with

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Speaker 5: Whoope Goldberg called Bag That Cafe, Grace, under Fire in

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Speaker 5: The Roseanne Show and the Cosmic Show. Right, so we're

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Speaker 5: one of five. They never asked us to do anything.

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Speaker 5: They asked Roseanne bar to sing the national anthem, in

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Speaker 5: which she grabbed her crotch because she can't sing. But

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Speaker 5: we got five singers on our show. You could have

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Speaker 5: had don me kree. You know, never when we got

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Speaker 5: offered things that would have.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I just got things.

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Speaker 5: We got things on our own, and I never felt

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Speaker 5: a part of that network. Then when I saw what

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Speaker 5: helped us. It would have helped us with work after

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Speaker 5: the show. It would have given us some props, you

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Speaker 4: I pitched a lot.

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Speaker 5: I have my own production company After a Different World.

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Speaker 5: All of my projects were rejected, but then I started

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Speaker 5: to see them that was which ones.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that.

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Speaker 5: I had a TV idea about a young woman that

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Speaker 5: inherited a sweatshop in the garment district from her gay

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Speaker 5: him as a ghost.

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Speaker 4: I had even talked to Rue Paul about being my ghost.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 5: They was just everything was a reason not to do it.

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Speaker 5: But then I would see a white girl do it.

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Speaker 5: Then I had this idea about what was the name

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Speaker 5: of that spy show.

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Speaker 5: French movie, independent movie, Anda Okay, So I thought this

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Speaker 5: would be fierce well Robin Givens. So I wrote up

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Speaker 5: a treatment for a pilot version of it. No Robin Givens,

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Speaker 5: but a white American girl doing it. So I was like, well,

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Speaker 5: I know my ideas are valid, but I just started

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Speaker 5: divorcing myself like a bad relationship.

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Speaker 4: Stop asking for what you know you're not gonna get.

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Speaker 5: I didn't have a parking space like Don Johnson after

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Speaker 5: Miami Vice.

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Speaker 6: You know, he was the star of the number two

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Speaker 1: A parking spot.

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Speaker 4: I had a parking spot, but he had a production deals.

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Speaker 5: When I'm saying, after you did Miami Vice, he had

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Speaker 5: a production deal, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I just thought that we were we were ready and

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Speaker 5: well equipped to move on into other areas. I definitely

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Speaker 5: wanted to be a producer because I had met so

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Speaker 5: many people on a different and I wanted to bring

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Speaker 5: this writer with this director, you know, and the ideas

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Speaker 5: that I had were not being done. The Dorothy Dandrids story,

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Speaker 5: I pitched that for years. I had to educate first,

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Speaker 5: who's the arthy dying dry? I told them it wasn't condescending.

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Speaker 5: And I didn't want to say the black Marilyn Monroe

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Speaker 5: what we already know. So I don't use that term

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Speaker 5: when I'm pitching. And the movie got done. It just

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Speaker 5: ain't what you want.

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Speaker 4: This is, and this is, and so is all of

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Speaker 7: I'm sure as what leads up to Uncensored Jasma God like, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: Like?

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Speaker 5: I did uncensored because I did Intimate Portrait on lifetime.

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Speaker 5: I did Unsung, but they were in different decades of

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Speaker 5: my life. I mean, Intimate Portrait must have been in

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Speaker 5: my forties and then fifties, and now I'm in my sixties.

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Speaker 5: And I said, I may have a different perspective on

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Speaker 5: my truth. The same things happen, but I feel differently

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Speaker 5: about them. I have a different perspective and I'm not

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Speaker 5: I'm trying not to be so precious about my private

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Speaker 5: life because I really do this. When people get like,

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Speaker 5: you know, that's mine. I feel like I do enough

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Speaker 5: with my work for the public. That is my gift

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Speaker 5: to the audience, That is my way of communicating. You

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Speaker 5: don't need to know who I'm sleeping with their business,

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Speaker 5: don't need to be in the street.

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Speaker 2: You from that era, though, Like that era was you

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Speaker 2: didn't really see your favorite celebrity, favorite actress, favorite actor,

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Speaker 2: and when you did, everybody went batshit crazy because you

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Speaker 2: never did. Like our favorite celebrities growing up as a kid,

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Speaker 2: we didn't know who they dated. We didn't know where

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Speaker 2: they went to, we didn't know where they lived, we

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Speaker 2: didn't know any of that. And that was part of

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Speaker 2: the mystique of them being a superstar celebrity.

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Speaker 4: But it's also private.

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like I didn't understand why celebrities were

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Speaker 5: saying private things.

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Speaker 4: When nobody even asked you.

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Speaker 6: That you'll make you talk.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, why are you nobody asked you? Nowadays, I

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Speaker 5: so with the oh, and I also get an Instagram.

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Speaker 4: I mean I've had an account, but.

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Speaker 5: My makeup artist said when he went on my social

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Speaker 5: media that it was vented, not the V word that

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Speaker 5: I had not post. I said, I don't know what

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Speaker 5: to post. I don't know what's interesting because work fulfill

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Speaker 5: And I thought when we did, you know, because when

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Speaker 5: After Cosby left it. They just snatched everybody off. They

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Speaker 1: I really feel that.

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Speaker 5: I was really surprised at how happy I was when

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Speaker 5: And I say Atlanta because when I got to New York,

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Speaker 4: It's for what nobody you know.

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Speaker 6: That's the reason why, just because you felt like, yeah, I.

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Speaker 4: Was like, this is ours.

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Speaker 5: Because I know what made that show good, and I

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Speaker 4: Because they know what that does.

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Speaker 5: It gives you power in the Hollywood system. We're not

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Speaker 5: We are no less talented and the writing was awesome

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Speaker 5: on the Different World because they're doing deep subjects and

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00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,720
Speaker 5: they have to keep us funny because the network wanted

447
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 5: us funny. They said, well, if we're gonna do this

448
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 5: age show, how are we gonna make it funny? Well,

449
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 5: maybe Whitney's gonna lose her virginity during what's the B line?

450
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 5: That's gonna not make it so heavy? You know, they

451
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 5: have to do that for everything the Riot show that

452
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 5: they have to still mix in the humor. And I

453
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 5: think we did that well and that Susan fails Hill.

454
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 5: I'm so proud of lean A Wade and Easta Ray

455
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 5: to see them as showrunners and starring and this and that.

456
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 5: I'm like, Oh, they are fierce, and I hope they

457
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 5: get their props.

458
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 6: But I wonder, how do you think this recognition of

459
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 6: the award contributes to the broader conversation about diversity and

460
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 6: representation in Hollywood, especially for like o G veteran actresses

461
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 6: like yourself who've made significant contributions.

462
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: Over a decade.

463
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 4: Okay, so what like what does this do?

464
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 6: Like the award has to do something being that Javelin

465
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 6: I can still be so good at this stage in

466
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 6: her career that she's still Oh.

467
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 5: Yes, it does feel validating. And I even said when

468
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 5: I accepted the award, you know, thank you for keeping

469
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 5: me in this community, because the creative community is my world,

470
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 5: whether it's in the New York or LA or Atlanta.

471
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 5: You know, valid my people, and you know, with the

472
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 5: pandemic and then six seven months on strike, I'm like.

473
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 4: I need to work. I need to be with my people.

474
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 5: You know, I need other creatives. I need stories at lunchtime.

475
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 5: And that goes for everybody that goes for him makeup, wardrobe.

476
00:27:55,520 --> 00:28:01,440
Speaker 5: Everybody is expressing themselves and there's a virtual connection to that.

477
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 4: So I did feel that way.

478
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 5: But it has been good to see my peers like

479
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 5: Regina King, Victoria Mahony, Sally richardson the Girls that I

480
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 5: was like acting with doing like directing and killing it

481
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 5: like that, and Tasha Smith directed the last episode.

482
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 4: I did a Harlem.

483
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: That's nature of nature.

484
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 4: As my girl.

485
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 5: We needed it. It was a very long day. It

486
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 5: was a long shooting day, and her energy was and

487
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 5: what I was so impressed was was her technical acumen.

488
00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 5: She really knew her cameras, you really knew what she wanted.

489
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 5: She had to map out a ten page scene, which

490
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 5: is very long for you know, anything from movie or

491
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 5: TV scene, and I don't know, she just did a

492
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 5: beautiful job. It was the only episode I've done on

493
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 5: that show where I saw other people, because all my

494
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 5: episodes that were Gray Spyers. She's my daughter, well i'm

495
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 5: her mother, I should say she's and everybody was there

496
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: at this event, so I got to see Bebby Smith

497
00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 5: was there, Whoopy was there. I don't know what was exciting.

498
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 5: I was kind of fanned out too. Yeah, it's amazing.

499
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: I've seen a clip that was released from You Uncensored

500
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 2: and it talks about being a mixed child. Was that

501
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: very difficult in the industry going at that time where

502
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 2: you're going up for auditions and people are saying, well,

503
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 2: she's not white or and then well maybe she's.

504
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: Not black enough. Was that difficult?

505
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 4: Well?

506
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,959
Speaker 5: I always defined myself as a bla black, but I

507
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 5: didn't get roles because I was too light sometimes or

508
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 5: I got like the my first after I left Alvin Ailey,

509
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 5: I did musical theater Broadway and whatnot, and then I

510
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 5: started taking acting classes and going out for auditions, and

511
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 5: I played three hoes before I go with Ley. I'm

512
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,719
Speaker 5: just saying, I asked my agent. I was like, is

513
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 5: this normal?

514
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 4: Yes, I played a prostitute.

515
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 5: On the Equalizer, I played a hoe on Loving, which

516
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 5: was so a soap opera back then.

517
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: And then on my third when I said, okay.

518
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 5: Is this and I was nailing them whatever it is about.

519
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 4: Ship before I got back to my formare, I was like, okay, but.

520
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you tap into to be able to like really

521
00:30:58,760 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 1: play a hope.

522
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 5: The way they write it, they usually write I usually

523
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 5: do sarcasm well, and they're usually snarky.

524
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: You know.

525
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 5: Now the other activities the I mean on the Equalizer,

526
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 5: I was the whole that they bought for the guy

527
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 5: that just came out of prison. Oh my god, this

528
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 5: scene was nasty and I'm like surprised, and I come

529
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 5: out and I'm supposed to do him because he's just

530
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 5: been in prison. And then in the scene he starts

531
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 5: coughing and I say, you catch something nasty where you've.

532
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 4: Been and he grasps me by the hair and slams

533
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: me on.

534
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Trauma.

535
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 5: I got a little too snarky, but I didn't know

536
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 5: that that should have been blocked.

537
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: I didn't.

538
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 5: It was one of my first acting jobs. So because

539
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: I'm a dancer, I was able to go, you know,

540
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 5: slam myself down. All you have to do is, you know,

541
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 5: and make it look like he was just and then

542
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 5: fall and I did it over and over in The

543
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 5: director was like, are you okay. It wasn't until after

544
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 5: that I talked to some of my actor friends and

545
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 5: they were.

546
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 4: Like, nobody blocked you.

547
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: Nobody.

548
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 4: I said, no, it was just like a you know,

549
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 4: a dance move or whatever.

550
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 5: But yeah, then when I auditioned for a Whitley, first

551
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 5: of all, they didn't even have her name yet. It

552
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 5: was Sydney slash Whitney, a black Southern bell. I'm like,

553
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 5: things that make you go a black Southern bell, you

554
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: don't know say anyway, she was hitting on her professor

555
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 5: for an a in the scene.

556
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: Another horror.

557
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're ruffles.

558
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 5: But when I got on the set, now she's a

559
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 5: virgin and she doesn't know what's going on in the world.

560
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 5: It's just interesting because you play things based on who

561
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: they tell you you're supposed to be, and then as

562
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 5: actors we often do backstories and you know, make up

563
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 5: something that got us to this point, so we have

564
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 5: something to lean on. But yeah, I was thinking, Wow,

565
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 5: I guess I'm just gonna be. It wasn't that I

566
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 5: was playing a horror prostitute. It was just that I

567
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 5: wanted to play all kinds of characters. Yeah, I've always

568
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 5: wanted that.

569
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, got to ask a question, This is a personal question.

570
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 2: When you started off dancing as a child, right, did

571
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 2: you know what direction you wanted to go into? So

572
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 2: I got two girls that dance, right, and then I

573
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 2: travel all over the country, damn with these these little babies.

574
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: And I mean they are amazing. One one first prize

575
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: overall seven year old or one thousand girls first prize.

576
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 3: But what Yes, they get busy. They take it serious.

577
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: Six days a week, four hours a day, gymnastics, flipping,

578
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 2: backflip dancing.

579
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 3: Whoa, it's a lot.

580
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 2: But I've learned to love it, like really enjoy it.

581
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 2: But you know, as a dad, I always think, like, well,

582
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: what's next after dancing? Like what do you do as

583
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: a dance Like when you get to high school and college,

584
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 2: Like what happens from that? Did you know what you

585
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 2: wanted to do going into Alvin Aley.

586
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 5: And Okay, So when I was a little kid, I

587
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 5: thought I just kept asking for more classes, like once

588
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 5: a week. Saturday turned into three turned into five.

589
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: You know.

590
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 5: And when I saw Alvin Ale and I saw revelations,

591
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 5: I realized that I could do this as a job.

592
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 5: I didn't realize that you could dance as a job

593
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 5: other than be a dance teacher. That's all I was seeing.

594
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 5: And I I told my daddy, I said, I think

595
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 5: I have my calling. I want to dance with Alvin Ailey.

596
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 5: So from twelve to seventeen, that was the trajectory, kind

597
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 5: of on a level where you are with your girls,

598
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 5: because I danced every day. After that, I went to

599
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 5: perform in arts high school, I joined Atlanta Ballet. I

600
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,319
Speaker 5: went to North Carolina School of the Arts over the

601
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 5: summer because I knew that I was not technically proficient

602
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 5: enough to get into the Ailey company, but I was

603
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 5: also performing. I played Anita in Westside Story and I

604
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 5: was young. I was like thirteen, and I could al

605
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,479
Speaker 5: already act and I could sing.

606
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 4: But it was that.

607
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: Because you know, you can't fake dancing. You could either

608
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 5: dance or uk. I mean, it's an athletic.

609
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 4: You know.

610
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: So that's when I knew do they want to do

611
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 5: it as a profession.

612
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 2: They don't know right now. One is seven, one is ten,

613
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 2: and they just enjoy it and they want more. And

614
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 2: it's not just ballet, it's not just open for and mad.

615
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 2: It's just it's everything. It's it's jazz, it's it's tab

616
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 2: it's now they just started getting in their hip hop.

617
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: But for me, it's like I enjoy it because I

618
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: know where they are right I know they're not gonna

619
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 2: want to go to their friend's house. I know they're

620
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: not gonna want to go to the mall because they

621
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: enjoy so much. School's over at two forty. From three

622
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,680
Speaker 2: to seven, they dancing, seven, they come home, do homework,

623
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: They tired, And I enjoy it because I like watching

624
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: them like I'm the There's not too many dads out

625
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 2: there for some reason, but I'm the one that's I

626
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 2: know the routine and I'm spinning with them because I

627
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 2: if they enjoyed it, I enjoy it. But it's I

628
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: feel like more people, more kids should get into it

629
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: because it's it's it's a it's a great art. Yeah,

630
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 2: it's a great art.

631
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 5: And they gave me my foundation for everything, Discipline, being

632
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 5: on time, confidence, Like even when I got a different world.

633
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 5: I remember one of our our script ees, she came

634
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 5: up to me and she said, are you a dancer?

635
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 5: And I was just standing there and I was like, yeah,

636
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 5: Like what gave me away?

637
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm not what?

638
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 5: I was always on time. I was always there waiting

639
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: for everybody else. I did not understand the way they

640
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 5: did it and all the breaks they take.

641
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 4: I'm like, what are we breaking for? We ain't done

642
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 4: nothing right. Dancers are the mules of the business.

643
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: Wow.

644
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 5: If the actors are coming out every now and then,

645
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 5: if we like when I did Fame, we were in

646
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 5: rehearsal or performing all day, ten hours, actors going to

647
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 5: trailers and coming back when we did school Days, you

648
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 5: couldn't be in that movie if you couldn't dance, sing

649
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: an act first of all. But that meant we all

650
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 5: came from theater. We shot, we filmed the Uh well,

651
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 5: I mean we recorded the song I Want to be

652
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: Alone tonight after we filmed that day, and then they said, okay,

653
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 5: now you're going to the studio and we went and

654
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 5: we learned the song and did it, and then we

655
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 5: learned the choreography and performed it. But that's how we do,

656
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: especially in New York and especially in theater. All my

657
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,760
Speaker 5: dancing friends can sing, and that all my acting friends

658
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 5: can dance to sing. We had to be triple threats

659
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 5: to continue to work. You think them divers from Dreamgirls,

660
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 5: Loretta Divine, Shirley, Ralph, Jennifer.

661
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,400
Speaker 4: Lewis you built for it, you know?

662
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 5: So when we go out there, we're not even asked

663
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 5: to work at our full.

664
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 4: Potential, you know what I mean.

665
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 5: And your babies are gonna be like that too, in

666
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 5: whatever they do, because that kind of training is like

667
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 5: an athlete.

668
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 6: I want to talk about another training you've probably got

669
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 6: because you know, you carry yourself with a certain sense

670
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 6: of legalness, right And when you look at Debbie Allen,

671
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 6: when you look at fore Lisha Rashad, they have that

672
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 6: same regal energy.

673
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: What did those two teach you?

674
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, everything. I mean, Debbie was ahead of me.

675
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 5: So every time people told me, well, you're mostly a dancer,

676
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 5: we don't know about you acting, or you're a comic actress,

677
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 5: we don't know about you doing drama, in my mind,

678
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 5: I go Debbie Dead. I just let them tell me

679
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 5: what they thought I couldn't do. And it wasn't just

680
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 5: that I knew I could. She's already done it. She

681
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 5: just did it.

682
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 4: She had two.

683
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 5: Lines in the Fame movie when you see her next

684
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 5: she's directing, choreographing the show she's producing.

685
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: You can't let other people tell you what you can do.

686
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 5: You don't know, and the other mantra it's had, especially

687
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 5: like when people were certain choreographers. You know, it's not

688
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: a nice world, the dance world, so they're reading me

689
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 5: or cussing me out, whatever, and I would say, you

690
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 5: don't know, you're not God all in my mind, so

691
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 5: I wouldn't cry because I was like, don't you you know,

692
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: don't you stand up here and let him make you cry,

693
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 5: because he's saying, you know, you think you're something, you'll

694
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: never be anything.

695
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 4: And I was like, you don't know, you're not God.

696
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: That's right.

697
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: How you gonna proclaim my destiny? You know?

698
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 5: So you have to be able to talk to yourself.

699
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 5: And Debbie is the same way, Felicia is the same way.

700
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 5: They have a sense of self. Because Debbie told me

701
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 5: about how they rejected her at North Carolina School of

702
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 5: the Yards because she didn't have a body for dance

703
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 5: because she got a booty in whatever. And she said,

704
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 5: and I took this booty all the way to Broadway, Darling.

705
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 5: You know, Okay, you don't want me in your school, Well,

706
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: I'm gonna go to Howard and then I'm gonna be

707
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 5: on Broadway and then and then and then. You can't

708
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 5: let other people tell you what you are and what

709
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 5: you're not. Yeah, And I refuse that. I refuse that

710
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 5: on just a general level. Like there were little dancers

711
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 5: in my class that were great dancers, but a little

712
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 5: chunky or whatever. And I heard how the teachers talked

713
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 5: to them, you know, destroying them. How dare you? How

714
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 5: dare you take your responsibility and do that to her.

715
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: You'll know what she's gonna be, and you're only gonna

716
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 5: go with skinny, tall people.

717
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 4: I just don't like that.

718
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 5: If you're gonna teach kids in art form, don't add

719
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 5: your bitter two cents to it because you didn't with

720
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 5: your fat ass.

721
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 6: That's not that's not politically correct. The political correct term

722
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 6: is big back.

723
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 4: No, it's not just do women say that? Or is

724
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 4: that a melt discovered? I'm not.

725
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 5: Due term, dude. They didn't think I'm gay. He discovered

726
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 5: I'm no that baby got big bag.

727
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 4: Soundright coming from us?

728
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 3: That's heard you.

729
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 5: It just comes up every now and then, and if

730
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 5: they don't see me with a man, like when I

731
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 5: was I was at an oscar party of Georgia's and

732
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 5: I was dancing with Debbie and all the fame dancers

733
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 5: were there, like, you know, she keeps all her people.

734
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: They got me, you know, photo of the week, me

735
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 5: and Debbie and they're talking about.

736
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: Me and the hair salon. I knew it.

737
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 5: I think they together, and Norm calls me he loved it.

738
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 5: I said, well, I'm single. I don't like that. He said, yeah,

739
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 5: that's some funny sh I said, funny for you because

740
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 5: you're like, yeah, I'm with Debbie and she's with Jasmine.

741
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 5: Then it came up when I was at a last

742
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know what it is. I don't care,

743
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 5: but it's just I don't want to have to undo it.

744
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

745
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 5: And then you know, in New York it was I

746
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 5: got hit on and stuff and I was like, okay,

747
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 5: but what made.

748
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 4: You think that I like bother me? You know, I

749
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: was just developing into my womanhood.

750
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Stuff.

751
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: I didn't have.

752
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,839
Speaker 5: Caf and it was funk night, and I would go

753
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 5: there by myself. Sometimes you can't always have somebody come

754
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 5: with you, you know, and so some sometimes I think

755
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 5: it's because I'm alone. And then, you know, my best

756
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 5: friend at a Lea's, we were walking through the park

757
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 5: and unbeknownst to us, we were walking in the.

758
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: Wooded gay area.

759
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 5: The valley, the jail.

760
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 8: Okay, somebody's eyes there and you didn't know we were

761
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 8: in a certain area or whatever, because I don't know.

762
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 5: And then when I got back to the school, they

763
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 5: were like, you know, they're saying that you and so

764
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 5: and so. I was like, I don't even have a boyfriend.

765
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 4: How can I have a girlfriend? Okay, like I can't

766
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: even work. You know, it doesn't bother me.

767
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 5: But when I was younger, it did because I was

768
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 5: still developing.

769
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: And they was pulling up on you.

770
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 5: I was developing as a young woman. Yeah, would you

771
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 5: ever do a memoir?

772
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 6: I know, I mean you know you got done since

773
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 6: it coming out this weekend, But would you ever do

774
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 6: a memoir?

775
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 5: I would need I would need some help, you know,

776
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: I would just need some help. I can't write it

777
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 5: myself by myself.

778
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, most people get help with them memoir

779
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 6: because I loved reading Jada Pinket's book Worthy because like

780
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 6: you know, and we were saying early and you were

781
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 6: saying it was such a privacy.

782
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 1: In the nineties.

783
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 6: So to get those stories from that era when she

784
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 6: talks about you and you know, Pock and just your friendship,

785
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 6: just that friendship of black Hollywood, it's just like man.

786
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 4: And now I was like.

787
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 5: Privileged enough to hang with them because there's so much

788
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 5: younger than me, you know, and it was just easy.

789
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 5: You know, her birthday party and we went to The

790
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 5: dragon Fly, which was funk night that night.

791
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 4: I like me some funk.

792
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: Obviously, I'm like, it's funck. Now you're a Dragonfly. But

793
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 5: and you know, accepting of me because.

794
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 4: So I think, hold is Jada fifty?

795
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: I don't know, let me look it up.

796
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 4: I think, well, I'm sixty two.

797
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 5: So when I'm on the show, I'm twenty five, twenty six,

798
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 5: twenty seven.

799
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 4: They eighteen nineteen. Yeah, so now it's not a big deal.

800
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 5: But back then, I wasn't hanging out with no you know.

801
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 5: I remember I went to a restaurant with Cree and

802
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 5: as we're walking to the restaurant.

803
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 4: She said, do they card?

804
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 5: I said, card, I mean I never I had never

805
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 5: been carded because eighteen, you know, I said, how old

806
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 5: are you? She said, I just turned eighteen. I said,

807
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 5: what the hell am I doing hanging out with?

808
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? Condemed too.

809
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 5: I saw them as kids, I like grown ass men

810
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 5: when I was young, thirty thirty two, so that you know,

811
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 5: it's like eighteen.

812
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah.

813
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 5: But now that they have embraced me, I appreciate it

814
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 5: because they kept me current and kept me interested because they,

815
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 5: Jada and Cree are out the box thinkers.

816
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: You know.

817
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 5: They bring creative ideas to the table that I never

818
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: would have thought of. And I love that. And and

819
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 5: of course you know, keeps me laughing Park.

820
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 4: And I would like that too. He always had ideas.

821
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:55,280
Speaker 5: I felt so unaccomplished, you know, because he would say

822
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 5: something and then do it.

823
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 4: I would tell him an idea.

824
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 5: And not writed and not finish it, or it's still

825
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 5: like on my shelf. Mostly I wanted him to know

826
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 5: that I felt he was a great actor. And I

827
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 5: heard the murmurings of, oh, he's just being himself or whatever.

828
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 5: They're just writing on his fame as a rapper. I said,

829
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 5: everybody that raps ain't acting on there. There were a

830
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 5: lot of rappers that had movies that man can act.

831
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean.

832
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 5: His performances were after change. And I just wanted him

833
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 5: to know that and not listen to that. One time

834
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 5: in news week, they used to have.

835
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 4: A little blurb like.

836
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 5: Star of the Week or Celebrity of the week, just

837
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 5: a little blurb, and they said and surprisingly handsome rapper.

838
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: I said, what the fuck? Is surprised? How insulting he was?

839
00:48:59,360 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 4: Find of shit?

840
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 5: It was, why is that surprising? He's supposed to be

841
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 5: ugly because he's a rapper. I found it racist. Then

842
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 5: when I got to when I won one of my

843
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,839
Speaker 5: Image awards, and I go to the press tent, there

844
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 5: were two little white girls there and all they did

845
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 5: was ask me about what I felt about Tupac getting

846
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 5: an Image award. Now, meanwhile, I have my award, it's

847
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 5: my sixth one, and I'm not even prepared to you

848
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 5: know how they like to bring up dirt when you

849
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 5: had a bread carpet, and.

850
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 4: I was thinking, what are y'all doing here?

851
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 5: This is our party, you know, and you're crashing our

852
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 5: party and asking me to tell some dirt about somebody

853
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 5: else here, so I wasn't in the most receiving way.

854
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 5: They kept asking me if I thought he deserved an

855
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 5: Image Award, and I said, well, I don't know what

856
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 5: the controversy is. Well, you know because of Dolorus, Tuck

857
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 5: Her and this, that and the other, and I didn't know.

858
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 5: And I said, well, can you tell me which songs

859
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,959
Speaker 5: you're referring to? At the time, I had only heard

860
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 5: Dear Mama, Brenda had a baby and keep your head up.

861
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 5: I honestly didn't know what the controversy was about because

862
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 5: these are all uplifting female And she said, well, I

863
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 5: don't know which song.

864
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 4: I haven't heard the CD.

865
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 5: I said, well, why don't you do your homework and

866
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,279
Speaker 5: then come to me and ask me.

867
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 4: I was so mad. And in the back of the

868
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: house there were two brothers like this. They were from

869
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 4: Jetton Ebony.

870
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 5: You know, because I'm like, how dare you come to

871
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 5: our party, insult our guests and don't even know what

872
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 5: the hell you talking about?

873
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: But I'm supposed to know.

874
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: They were on the radio those three songs and they

875
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 5: come in like they well, we just are bad.

876
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 4: We just aved that may hell Oh my god. I

877
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 4: was so glad. So the next day was in the

878
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 4: La Times.

879
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 5: I have my ward up like this and my nostrils

880
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 5: and I don't know what they said about my publicists

881
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 5: called me and she was like, you know, there are

882
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 5: there are white actresses that don't get hired because their

883
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 5: breasts are too big.

884
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 4: I was like, first of all, I don't have to

885
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 4: run everything by.

886
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 5: You for me to speak. You know, if you wanted

887
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 5: to be by my side, you should have been by there.

888
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 5: But what was she gonna do interrupt me? You disrespecting us,

889
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 5: You disrespecting.

890
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 4: Me and they and the faint. He saw that article

891
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 4: and heard that I.

892
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 5: Stood up for him, and she never forgot that. And

893
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 5: I think that's part of why she was cool with

894
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 5: him staying with.

895
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Me after you got shot.

896
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, because she didn't based on what they knew about

897
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 5: me and seeing me on the show, she didn't realize that.

898
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: I was like that, you know what I mean?

899
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 5: And they are very much soldiers in that. One of

900
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 5: her friends said, oh, you a soldier now, and I

901
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 5: was like, I'm sorry, are we at war?

902
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 6: I didn't know what she meant by were you afraid

903
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 6: during that time? Like when you took pokin after he

904
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 6: got shot. Did you feel like, what if they come

905
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 6: looking for him in the.

906
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, there were times because of the the regularity of

907
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 5: my going in and out of my apartment, I felt

908
00:52:57,320 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 5: like it would be easy if I had been on

909
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 5: the radar for anybody to you know, follow me or

910
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 5: come up.

911
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 4: And so there was that.

912
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 5: And I didn't live in a secured building like a

913
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 5: doorman building, and I was scared of but like I

914
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 5: had never seen a real bullet wound, just you know

915
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 5: on TV like NYPD Blue and when I played a.

916
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 4: Badass in this movie.

917
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:31,400
Speaker 5: But I was concerned about that, you know, actually caring

918
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: for the wounds and making sure he was gonna be okay.

919
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 5: N Yeah, he should have been in the hospital for

920
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 5: at least two or.

921
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 4: Three more days on antibiotics.

922
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 3: Everybody has walked out.

923
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 2: He signed himself out, so you had to help him

924
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 2: out and help meet and help him get himself back together.

925
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 5: He when he left Bellevue, he went to his girlfriends

926
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,800
Speaker 5: and he realized it was equally accessible. He just felt

927
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 5: like a sitting duck in the hospital. But everybody knew

928
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 5: who he was at his girlfriends. Nobody knew that we

929
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 5: were friends, So him coming to my apartment was more

930
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 5: diary of Frank and just put food under the bookcase.

931
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, it was on the down load. I didn't

932
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 5: know what kind of publicity might have come from that,

933
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,480
Speaker 5: but it wasn't anything I was interested in publicizing. So

934
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 5: I just shut the family down. I was like anybody

935
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 5: those you knew, you know, because I didn't do that

936
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 5: for that reason.

937
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 4: It was a personal reason.

938
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 5: And that was one of those moments where you know,

939
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 5: y'all don't get that, and they they respected it all

940
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,320
Speaker 5: these years until the documentary they've been wanting to, I guess,

941
00:54:55,360 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 5: thank me, but their love and I'm part of that

942
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 5: family now has been enough. I don't need public thanks

943
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:09,480
Speaker 5: for what I did on a personal level. So it's

944
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 5: interesting the documentary said, Okay, Jasmine, you can talk about

945
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 5: that part of it now, because I really thought, well,

946
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 5: just you know, I'll go to my grave with certain things.

947
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 5: Not because I'm ashamed, but I don't like the exploitation

948
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 5: factor of things that you do in your personal life

949
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 5: for your kids or for people you love or whatever.

950
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 4: You know, it was your.

951
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,920
Speaker 1: Story, I mean, he said in the doc Jaya talks

952
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 1: about in her book. Yeah, this is all your story.

953
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 5: She called me and tell me what was in the book.

954
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 5: This is all I said. I didn't talk about this.

955
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 4: I didn't talk about that.

956
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,720
Speaker 5: And I really was calling her more for support because

957
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 5: when I wrote a fane's book, I didn't know all

958
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 5: the other stuff you have to do for a book fist,

959
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 5: the book tours, you know, and I just wanted to

960
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 5: make sure she was And there was a kind of

961
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 5: loneliness to her story to me, No, jaj, there's a

962
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:21,319
Speaker 5: loneliness like the bigger and richer and you get more isolated,

963
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 5: you know, there's more things you can't do, and you

964
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 5: always have to. I don't know, so I just I

965
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 5: just didn't want her to feel that loneliness. She could

966
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 5: talk to me about whatever, because that was some It

967
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,720
Speaker 5: was a lot of personal information. Her gauge is way

968
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 5: past mind. That's what I mean about the younger ones.

969
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 5: They showed me that I don't have to be that

970
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 5: old school about my press.

971
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 4: That's good.

972
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 7: So you you didn't say, you know, when Tupac stayed

973
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,799
Speaker 7: with you, you saw that like you ain't gonna go in

974
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 7: it like that.

975
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 4: I didn't tell nobody.

976
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, when my family saw the documentary. My

977
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 5: best friend said what I told two people and they

978
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 5: both lived in New York, because why tell somebody that

979
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 5: can get to me?

980
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 4: Because I did.

981
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 5: I was worried that anything could happen, you know, and

982
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 5: those two people, two of my friends that lived in

983
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 5: New York, that was it.

984
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 4: So all my other friends, I just because two.

985
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 5: Weeks it is on a long period for me not

986
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 5: to call you, and I wasn't missed yet, you know,

987
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 5: maybe had It's been a month, right, Yeah. So now

988
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 5: when that documentary came out, a lot of my friends

989
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 5: were like.

990
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 4: When did this happen? What were you staying? How Come

991
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: I didn't.

992
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 7: Know hit his girlfriend at the time. I have a

993
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 7: problem with that, I mean, because that's part that was

994
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 7: my guy. So you know, I have no idea child.

995
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 7: I wasn't doing I don't care.

996
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 4: Twenty one, you know what I mean. I'm not like

997
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: your girlfriend. And it was dire, it was I mean,

998
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 4: he was in trouble.

999
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was still open, like it wasn't healed yet,

1000
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 5: you know, So I wasn't.

1001
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 4: Thinking about that. Yeah, they got back together a thing,

1002
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 4: they got back together.

1003
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure you talk about this on since this

1004
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 6: is my last question, like when's the last time you

1005
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 6: spoke to him, like before you die, do you remember

1006
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,480
Speaker 6: the last conversation in your head or the last time

1007
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 6: you saw him.

1008
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 5: I was visiting a Feeny and Stone Mountain when they

1009
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 5: had a house there and he came through. Now this

1010
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 5: is after he had been in prison for eleven months.

1011
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 5: I've seen him for a while. Yeah, so I saw

1012
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 5: him at the house. That was the last time.

1013
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: M you remember the conversation or you don't, that's personal.

1014
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,400
Speaker 5: It was just like hey, you know, and he was like,

1015
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 5: I'm strong now because he was. He was, you know, infirmed.

1016
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 5: So he wanted me to see his you know, little

1017
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 5: prison push up muscles, knuckles were all black from doing

1018
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 5: it on you know, he wanted I was like, yeah,

1019
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 5: you look good. And then he went out with his

1020
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 5: friends and you know, I hung out with a fainting

1021
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 5: The thing that really hurt my feelings about him getting

1022
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 5: shot like that when he was with me, I thought

1023
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 5: I was.

1024
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 4: Helping him go to the next part of his life.

1025
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: Like g.

1026
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 5: I was like, you're gonna get You're gonna go to

1027
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 5: prison and then get shot again. And I knew that

1028
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 5: second shooting wasn't the wounds he had the first time

1029
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 5: were in his appendages.

1030
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 1: Not in his lungs.

1031
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 4: I'm so disappointed.

1032
01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he told me he was gonna it wasn't

1033
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 5: gonna make it past twenty five.

1034
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: I always thought he was just talking shit all the time.

1035
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,919
Speaker 5: That's legend. Put that in the book. I was like, yeah,

1036
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 5: I'm not writing a book about you. Stop telling me that.

1037
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 5: I'd be like, I'm never telling anybody anything about this experience. Nah,

1038
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 5: you need to you know, blunt in the bathtub, Like

1039
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 5: you need to put this in the book. What am

1040
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 5: I your fucking now, I'm you're a chronicler. Yeah, and

1041
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 5: he kept telling me he was like twenty one, and

1042
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 5: I really didn't understand that world he knew. I wasn't

1043
01:01:01,080 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 5: from it. I thought it was ridiculous for him to

1044
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 5: say he wasn't going to live past twenty five. I

1045
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 5: treated him like I treated my little cousins that make

1046
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 5: these statements about life.

1047
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 4: You know, so that hurts.

1048
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 2: I can't wait people to hear your story.

1049
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 1: You live the life this guy. I gotta watch him

1050
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: since this.

1051
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,920
Speaker 2: Sunday, March twenty fourth. You need to write a Central

1052
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 2: TV one.

1053
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: You gonna make me.

1054
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take my lashes off because I'm going to

1055
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 5: know ye going with lashes if you.

1056
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 1: Take them off and put them on ebit, I got

1057
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 1: I got you.

1058
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 4: I don't watch it.

1059
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:46,160
Speaker 5: They going make sure they know it's not roaches or

1060
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:49,360
Speaker 5: a spider because they likes and you just put them on.

1061
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 3: All about my less for Jazmine guy. Ladies, always the.

1062
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:56,240
Speaker 1: Pleasure when you come.

1063
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 5: Guy.

1064
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: Love you so much.

1065
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 6: You are a cultural We appreciate you so much, we

1066
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 6: value you.

1067
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: Just thank you always.

1068
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 3: Now thank you. It's Jasmine guy. It's the Breakfast Club.

1069
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 1: Good morning. Wake that ass up in the morning. Breakfast Club.