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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And Hey Elizabeth, Hey over here. Nice, Hey, it's you.

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Speaker 3: It's me.

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Speaker 2: I've been waiting to see you because I have this

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Speaker 2: question I wanted to ask you. Yeah, good, okay, here,

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Speaker 2: it's a simple question. Sure, do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: I do what? I too? Walt Disney?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: How?

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Speaker 4: So do you know what his last words were?

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Speaker 3: Help?

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Speaker 2: I'm trapping his box, let me out.

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Speaker 4: He was all so cold. I have no idea his

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Speaker 4: last words. Okay.

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Speaker 5: So he passed away in nineteen sixty six cancer and

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Speaker 5: he's on his deathbed and he asked for a notepad

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Speaker 5: and he scribbles down a bunch of stuff, and then

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Speaker 5: his last words were, Kurt Russell, what are you kidding?

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Speaker 4: I'm dead serious.

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Speaker 2: He was a child actor for him at the time,

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Speaker 2: and he's not like, you know, referring to him as

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Speaker 2: Snake pliskin.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he was a child actor.

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Speaker 5: He'd done Disney stuff, you know, the Barefoot Executive, the

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Speaker 5: Computer War, tennis shoes.

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Speaker 4: Totally horse in the gray flannel.

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Speaker 2: Suit, another classic.

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Speaker 5: All absolutely, he had a ten year contract and so

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Speaker 5: they had become friends, but no one's really sure why

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Speaker 5: his last words were Kurt Russell.

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Speaker 2: I wonder if Kurt Russell knows this well.

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Speaker 5: They asked him and he was in twenty seventeen interview

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Speaker 5: with Hauvington Post.

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Speaker 4: All he had to say was, O, G, I.

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Speaker 5: Don't know what it's connected to, which makes me think

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Speaker 5: he does know what it's connected.

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Speaker 2: Kurt Russell knows where the bodies are buried. What's going on? Kurt?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's his I mean, maybe he was I

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Speaker 5: don't know what he scribbled in the notebook. Maybe it

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Speaker 2: He's like, we got to get Kurt Russell.

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Speaker 5: Russell's overboard goldie hawn.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, that's ridiculous, ridiculous to have Kurt Russell is

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Speaker 4: not standing over you.

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Speaker 2: He's not like Kurt Russell extreming exclamation point.

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Speaker 4: Wow, yeah wow.

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Speaker 2: I learned something new every day and today That's what.

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Speaker 5: I was a little worried that. I say, do you

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Speaker 5: know what Disney's last words were? Well, Disney's last words,

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Speaker 5: and you go, Kurt Russell.

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Speaker 2: Course, I've never heard that he did it. I got

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Speaker 2: one for you. I could go tip for tatt. Yeah, well, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: you know, we say here and we tell each other

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Speaker 2: these strange, elaborate stories on air. Tales are forgers, frauds,

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Speaker 2: art capers, bank robberies, jewelry heist and they all have

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Speaker 2: one thing in common. You know what that is, right,

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Speaker 2: ridiculous The purps get caught. Yeah, I got a hell

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Speaker 2: of a story for you. It's about a daring, outrageous heist.

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Speaker 2: It went well right right up until it went bad.

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Speaker 2: But the real fun part is how it went wrong

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Speaker 2: and why they got caught.

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Speaker 4: I love when things go wrong, right.

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Speaker 2: So you're ready for a tale of close but no cigar?

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Speaker 4: Yes? Please?

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Speaker 2: This is ridiculous crime a podcast and adam surd and

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Speaker 2: outrageous capers, heists and cons. It's always nine to nine

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Speaker 2: percent murder free and one hundred percent or ridiculous. Elizabeth

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Speaker 2: Theren do you know where the saying close but no

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Speaker 2: cigar comes from?

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Speaker 4: Close but no cigar?

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Speaker 2: I had to look this up.

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Speaker 4: Were you winning a cigar for something good?

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Speaker 3: Look at you?

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Speaker 2: It's a carnie term. It dates back to the early

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Speaker 2: decades of the last century. In the nineteen twenties, basically,

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Speaker 2: smoking was still a very popular habit and folks, you know,

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Speaker 2: they rolled their own smokes. They also bought the new

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Speaker 2: machine factured cigarettes. That was a big thing, right, but

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Speaker 2: they were also partially obs of pipes. But the big

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Speaker 2: deal was cigars. That was like, oh, this is a

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Speaker 2: fine coach cuban exactly right. So when folks would they

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Speaker 2: would stroll the midway at a fair or carnival and

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Speaker 2: they'd play the games of chance, often the prize was

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Speaker 2: somebody win occasionally, right yeah, and you know not everyone

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Speaker 2: the cigars were for the rare winners. And so therefore

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Speaker 2: we have the common saying close but no cigar, and

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Speaker 4: Six year olds are like, exactly a big.

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Speaker 2: Curse, and then go back to their day job. Now

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Speaker 2: I have one less fun bit for you about close

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Speaker 2: but no cigar that I found while I was looking

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Speaker 2: up where this came from. Can you guess what popular

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Speaker 2: artists recorded a song with that very same title.

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Speaker 4: Close but no Cigar. I'll give you a head, yes please.

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Speaker 2: He's weird. Yes, I didn't even have to give you

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Speaker 2: the second hint.

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Speaker 4: Well it's weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so yes, weird. Al Yankovic the lyrics

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Speaker 2: to a song close but no Cigar are Well, they're

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Speaker 2: certifiably weird. They are. I looked at him and I

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Speaker 2: was like, wow, I've seen why. I've never heard of

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Speaker 2: this song, but I want to give you this a

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Speaker 4: Is it one of his parody songs?

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Speaker 2: I'll answer that in a second. Right, here's some lyrics.

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Speaker 2: Then I met sweet young Janet, prettiest thing on the planet,

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Speaker 2: Manson about her. She got me all choked up like

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Speaker 2: Mama Cass. She had a smile so incredibly radiant you

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Speaker 2: had to watch it through a piece of smoked glass.

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Speaker 2: I thought, after all these years of searching around, I'd

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Speaker 2: found my soulmate finally. But one day I found out

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Speaker 2: she actually owned a copy of Joe Dirt on DVD.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I said, Hey, are we lobbing handgard aids kiddo, No,

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Speaker 2: I don't think we are. You're close close, Oh so

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Speaker 2: very close. Close. Yeah, baby, you're close, close, so close,

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Speaker 2: But no cigar. So obviously that track was not one

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Speaker 2: of his more beloved heads. Yeah, not one of his knockoffs,

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Speaker 2: not a parody song. It's a weird awl original.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and jac starts very like Fresh Prince.

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Speaker 2: Totally right. I mean I did the rhythm little different

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Speaker 2: and you can see why he sticks to knockoffs. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because we can't all be Bob Dylan. But anyway, how

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Speaker 2: did this gang of criminals I'm about to tell you

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Speaker 2: get close? But no cigar? Great question, Elizabeth, thank you.

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Speaker 2: You ready to hear about the great Dunbar Armored Truck

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Speaker 2: heist of nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 4: I was born ready Now, this one goes down.

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Speaker 2: In my old city, Los Angeles. It features a crack

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Speaker 2: amateur heist team. So I loved all about the research

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Speaker 2: of this one. Yeah, there was the ring leader, this

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Speaker 2: cat named Alan paced the third shout out for the

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Speaker 2: Trips of the World. Now, originally he was from Compton.

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Speaker 2: He worked at the Dunbar Armored Truck facility in downtown LA.

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Speaker 2: That meant he knew obviously the routines of the place.

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Speaker 2: inside job. But he also knew he couldn't do it alone.

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Speaker 2: eat myself some millions as a big payback against my employer.

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Speaker 2: Who ooh, Elizabeth, can I bring in for my HEIGST team.

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Speaker 4: His best friends?

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Speaker 2: You're on plot.

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Speaker 4: I was one of the team.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you.

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Speaker 4: I was on the Dunbar's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, are you gonna look for hard men

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Speaker 2: fresh out of the federal pen? No veteran bank robbers? No, No,

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Speaker 2: He's like, I want loyalty, trust men I know personally, men.

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Speaker 2: home addresses. So he picked his childhood friends, which can

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Speaker 2: be a dicey proposition. Yeah, enter Freddie Lynn McCrary Junior,

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Speaker 2: The other two were Eric Damon Boyd and Thomas Lee.

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Speaker 2: your Brother Trap. His full name was Thomas Lee Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Now this is our crew, six men in total. Together

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Speaker 2: they plan to pull off one of the most successful

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Speaker 2: armored car heights in American history. Now, Alan Pace thirty

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Speaker 2: two years old at the time. Big dream of a

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Speaker 2: major heights for ay young man. He's ambitious, brimming with

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Speaker 2: over confidence, but he wasn't cocky, he wasn't sloppy. He

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Speaker 2: planned his robbery down to the finest detail. I mean

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Speaker 2: it was a beautifully simple plan, but just beautifully rot right.

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Speaker 2: It helped that he was the safety inspector at the

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Speaker 2: downtown La Dunbar Vault site. That meant he knew not

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Speaker 2: only the daily operations, he knew the building security protocols.

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Speaker 2: had a can opener yea. His plan though, was just

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Speaker 2: you know, as I said, simple break in scare the security,

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Speaker 2: and you know then since it Caldron scare tactics, He's like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because there are there arm guards. When they're

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Speaker 2: walking around the ball, they all got guns on him, right,

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Speaker 2: So he lines up some guns for the jobs. He's like, oh,

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Speaker 2: need a sawed off shotgun. I'm gonna need some handguns.

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Speaker 2: So he goes picks those up off the street, not

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Speaker 4: Doing like a street cleanup, and a little grabbersticks.

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Speaker 2: Like at the beach. Whead's like in tennis grenade. Perfect.

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Speaker 2: I could use this. So next he's like, okay, what

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Speaker 2: so he goes out gets some ballaklava face mask aka

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Speaker 2: you know like black ski masks. Right. He also he's like,

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Speaker 2: we're gonna need to talk to each other in case

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Speaker 2: we get separated. Walkie talkie radio sets right away. Really

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Speaker 2: good communication's key. So after these initial supplies are set,

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Speaker 2: who he now brings in and they're like, oh word,

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Speaker 2: I'm down. I like this plan right, So together they

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Speaker 2: scope out the floor plans of the vault facility that

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Speaker 2: he draws up from memory. He drills this heist team

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Speaker 2: until they know the layout nearly as well as he did,

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Speaker 2: because you don't want to get lost in a place

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Speaker 2: like that when you're going a robbery in case anything

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Speaker 2: know something. So once they had it all down, he's like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: Now, Elizabeth, as you and I often talk about movies,

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Speaker 2: And that to me is a life mantra. I wish

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Speaker 4: Did these guys watch heat?

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Speaker 2: So what happened? What was the unexpected? Great question, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: The reason is simple because Fridays is when the Dunbar

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Speaker 4: I just I can't get my head around getting fired

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Speaker 2: You might think like this is a sign, but not him.

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Speaker 5: Well, and also maybe like play it straight, like what

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Speaker 2: Like just be cool now you're under suspicion. But apparently

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Speaker 5: The companies, right, you know, I've worked in places where

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Speaker 2: And new security walking out to the door with a

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Speaker 4: But this guy, so he's.

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Speaker 2: Got the keys, he decides we're going for it.

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Speaker 4: Can I just have like a couple more days, you guys, exactly.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't know which key. Let me separate.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the deal was. Read. So the

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Speaker 2: They wait for evening because that's when they're going to strike.

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Speaker 2: The sun finally sets and descends into the Pacific night

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Speaker 2: they didn't drive directly to their target. Instead, the heist

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Speaker 2: I don't want to take a guess where that strange

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Speaker 5: I see, I thought maybe they before they planned the

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Speaker 2: We can't get out of it? Want to last time?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: No, the idea was Allen Pace the third is band

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Speaker 2: of rogue robbers. Thought we're gonna go hit up a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, where were you guys for those couple hours in

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Speaker 2: Know, hanging out with Derek and Bob. Is cool?

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Speaker 4: Separating out the cans from the garbage. Some of us

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Speaker 2: Nineteen ninety seven. We're all captain planet over here now. Personally,

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Speaker 4: That's the thing you got to You got to make

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Speaker 4: it big enough, not just like four dudes playing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was like a big house party, like

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Speaker 4: We're kidn't play there.

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Speaker 2: That's a good call. Great, I didn't. I did never

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Speaker 2: rather the specific part of their plan worked out. But first,

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Speaker 2: let's dig into some ads. Back dig it two.

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Speaker 3: And two.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth, We're need to get to the heuston.

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Speaker 4: Yes, please.

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Speaker 2: So it's September twelfth, nineteen ninety seven, the big day,

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Speaker 2: going for it and getting my personal revenge. Now rob

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Speaker 2: They circulate the mixing feel like.

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Speaker 5: A dance routine in the middle of the room.

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Speaker 4: Well there it is, and like, you guys are so good,

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Speaker 4: Like I know, I'll be out back.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna go hang out because so and so is rolling.

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Speaker 2: So they're all just kind of like milling about, going

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Speaker 2: they're all wearing ski masks and holding quote, stainless steel

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Speaker 2: But there's four of them, and he's like, I'm not

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Speaker 4: Well, I wonder they have to get those special wipes

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Speaker 2: The person eyewitness didn't know it.

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Speaker 4: Was a stainless steel ratchet. Yeah, a ratchet.

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Speaker 4: I would just peel myself at this point. I let's

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Speaker 2: The way to the bathroom, just like minding, your.

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Speaker 5: Already have to do exactly, you already have to go.

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Speaker 5: And then four that's when either like you never he

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Speaker 2: Right here, I think flooded.

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Speaker 4: I'm just going to keep fixating on the air.

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Speaker 2: So they he gets forced to the floor, does not

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Speaker 2: So the Highest crew asks him how many people are

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Speaker 2: Satisfied by this, one of the crew is like, okay,

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Speaker 5: So when the guy before they put it over his mouth,

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Speaker 2: Funny that you mentioned that they were supposed to tape

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Speaker 2: then they drag him to the ladies room and just

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Speaker 2: early mistake. They take the guard's keys, but they don't

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Speaker 2: ask him which keys go to which doors to take

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Speaker 2: So right away they should have been a little bit

437
00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 2: more dedicated the idea of we're robbers as opposed to

438
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:13,640
Speaker 2: we've got a great plan, we know everything. Anyway, Next,

439
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,320
Speaker 2: one of the dunbar guards heads to the break room

440
00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,200
Speaker 2: and promptly runs into the same Ice crew and seeing

441
00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,320
Speaker 2: the r men, he's like, please don't hurt me. These

442
00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 2: their only job is being security guards. And each one

443
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,200
Speaker 2: of them went faced with somebody there.

444
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:27,000
Speaker 4: It's like four against one.

445
00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:27,960
Speaker 2: Don't even draw their weapons.

446
00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,440
Speaker 5: They then this guy's hungry waiting for the print out.

447
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,600
Speaker 2: It's like a laser dot printer. It's like, come on,

448
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,480
Speaker 2: so they are men. They say, okay, man, we won't

449
00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 2: hurt you. Get down on the ground. He does. Second

450
00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:41,399
Speaker 2: guard bound with duct tape. He's also stuffed in the

451
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,960
Speaker 2: ladies room with the first guard. Now the Ice crew

452
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,960
Speaker 2: changes their mind about this bathroom stash spot. They double back,

453
00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,720
Speaker 2: they pull them back out and they put them in

454
00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,959
Speaker 2: an adjacent office. Oh, one of the high crew then

455
00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,920
Speaker 2: stays with them to babysit him. He's like, we probably

456
00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,240
Speaker 2: should you know, there's two of them, they might work

457
00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 2: together to pull the tape off or something. So he

458
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:00,520
Speaker 2: uses his walkie talkie to keep me municate with the

459
00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,600
Speaker 2: others as they're moving deeper into the facility, headed for

460
00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,639
Speaker 2: the vault. This leaves now at this point, we have

461
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,040
Speaker 2: the four guards in the vault and then these two

462
00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:12,359
Speaker 2: guys who've been taken or are just like normal ancillary guards. Yeah,

463
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,679
Speaker 2: and there's possibly like maybe a secretary out there. They

464
00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 2: don't know exactly, but they're feeling pretty good so far,

465
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 2: no sweat, everything's going according to plan. Yeah, ice crew

466
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 2: is able to surprise the remaining guards in the vault.

467
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,120
Speaker 2: They subdue them, duck, take them, take their weapons. It's

468
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 2: four on four. None of them draw, so it's like,

469
00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,000
Speaker 2: what's going on? Are these guys really guards?

470
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,040
Speaker 4: Like, did they recognize him?

471
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:39,680
Speaker 7: They're wearing the ski masks, so that'd be you now

472
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,199
Speaker 7: left bound on the floor, The guards listen as this

473
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,159
Speaker 7: high crew begins to make all kinds of noise, like

474
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 7: in the vault and in other places that they can hear,

475
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,160
Speaker 7: like on the sides of walls, not like explosions, more

476
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:49,640
Speaker 7: like say, like.

477
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:52,159
Speaker 2: Filing cabinets being pushed over and rifled through like this

478
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,360
Speaker 2: strange sound, and then like the wheels going oh, they're

479
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: pushing things around. The think gets quiet until they hear

480
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 2: a diesel truck backing up and then boom, it hits

481
00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 2: the loading dock. They're like, okay, I think I know

482
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: what's going on, right, and guards assume this is just

483
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 2: be how they plan to load the cash they're going

484
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 2: to steal from the vault, which is correct. Ice team

485
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: loads three large storage containers of cash, like those kinds

486
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 2: that are on wheels. They have no way, yeah, like

487
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,560
Speaker 2: you can put millions in these, right, So they decide

488
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,120
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a good haul for us, and they're

489
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,239
Speaker 2: all ready to bounce after they got the three loaded up.

490
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,399
Speaker 2: So the ice crew returns and they tell the bound guards,

491
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 2: you guys, wait twenty minutes before you do anything, and

492
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,320
Speaker 2: then everything would be cool. And then they disappear. Instead

493
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,160
Speaker 2: of waiting twenty minutes, the guards wait five.

494
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 4: They're like that's good Enough's see exactly enough forgot.

495
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,399
Speaker 2: Right, So they work their way out of the duct tape.

496
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: They retrieve their weapons, and they go and they find

497
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 2: the other guards who are tied up in the vault.

498
00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 2: So the first two guards are the ones who free themselves.

499
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 2: Then they go find the other four, they free them

500
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: somebody phones nine to one one. Then the guards all

501
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 2: lock themselves in the vault, which I guess is the protocol,

502
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 2: and they wait for the police to arrive.

503
00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 4: This is really traumatic for them. And forget it's like

504
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 4: mid September ninety seven. Princess Diana has only been dead

505
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 4: for like two Oh.

506
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,760
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're all still grieving and they're now going

507
00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: to have to get back in the job market.

508
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 4: How how are they going to survive this? And one

509
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 4: of them will never.

510
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 2: Be exactly this is difficult. You never see the trauma coming.

511
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 2: The cops arrive, the guards tell the cops what little

512
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: they know. They're like, made some weird sounds. We heard

513
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,320
Speaker 2: the wheels, there was a diesel truck boom hit the thing,

514
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 2: the loading dog the report you know. Also, yeah, they

515
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 2: were wearing black ski masks, and then they had black voices,

516
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 2: and then yeah, so that's what they said.

517
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 4: Black voices is like like a selection on a streaming the.

518
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 2: Way listened to black voices?

519
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 4: What films. Do you want to watch, Let's check the

520
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:41,159
Speaker 4: black voices section.

521
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 2: So the men go on. By the way, they also

522
00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,320
Speaker 2: pull like a whole like Tarantina thing where they don't

523
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: refer to each other by names. Instead they refer to

524
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: each other by pre assigned numbers. So the cops.

525
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 4: Right, but like, were they all prime numbers?

526
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 2: No, I would have loved that. So one of the

527
00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:01,040
Speaker 2: security guards tells the cops he not he recognized one

528
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: of the voices. It's a guy who works or rather

529
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 2: worked at Dunbar until one day before.

530
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 5: This man did not even try. I mean, you're in

531
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 5: a costume, basically, just give the.

532
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 2: Character do Batman voice, you know, come on?

533
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, what is nice and squeaky that that hurts less

534
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 5: than the gravelly for me?

535
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably true.

536
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 4: So I would be inclinient your Mickey Mouse.

537
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: You got robbed by Mickey Mouse with like.

538
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,640
Speaker 4: A really offensive accent.

539
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: And they don't make him applicated.

540
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to replicate your offensive sounds racist. Yeah, Well,

541
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 4: for whatever group you choose.

542
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 2: Was the nineties, people are a lot more politically corrected

543
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 2: at the point.

544
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 4: That's true.

545
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 2: So the police at this point they investigate the crime scene, right,

546
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 2: because they get called in and they figure out that

547
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 2: this the five man hight crew that was inside that

548
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 2: they can count, according to the other guards, has gotten

549
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 2: away with millions in US currency. And because they wheeled

550
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 2: out the three large storage containers loaded with all large

551
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 2: denominations of cash, they all picked one, hundreds and twenties

552
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 2: and fives for them, So.

553
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:02,720
Speaker 4: They load up although it's harder to move.

554
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it depends on how you're moving in.

555
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

556
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: They load them up in the diesel truck and then

557
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 2: drove off with their stolen booty. They left me out

558
00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 2: almost zero clues to their identities zero Elizabeth, yeah, zero

559
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 2: zero seal Now, other than the possibility inside job voice

560
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: yeah by the guy who got fired the day before,

561
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: the LAPD and later the FBI have very few clues

562
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: to go on, Like, don't you hate it when that happens.

563
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 4: It's so frustrating. Happened to be like three.

564
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: Times since it was suspected to be an inside job.

565
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: All of the dunbar employees working that night. Before they leave,

566
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 2: they get questioned and subjected to like light detector test.

567
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, you've been on the clone.

568
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 2: To go home right now, they're doing a polygraph test.

569
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 4: But do they get over time for that?

570
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. But they all passed the test,

571
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: so they got cleared by the FBI and the LAPD.

572
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,719
Speaker 2: So FBI is now back to square one. They have

573
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 2: only one good lead on a suspect black voice, possibly

574
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: the guy who worked here until he got fired. They

575
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: have a few other clues. I should sorry, I should

576
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: have mentioned one. As I said, the robbers sounded black,

577
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: so they're possible black people. Also, they look to be

578
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: black based on the Cheshanks or chet Haanks good call

579
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: now based on the color of their skin around the eyes,

580
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: which was exposed by the ski masks.

581
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 4: That'll tell you.

582
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, I've often thought about this. A

583
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 2: little makeup, the skin part could easily be faked.

584
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 4: Very right.

585
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 2: That's what I would do if I was gonna rob someone,

586
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: I would.

587
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,959
Speaker 4: I would have really bad em.

588
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 2: They're worried about you, and then one.

589
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 5: Cloudy eye and they're just like, oh buddy, They're looking

590
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 5: for a very particular person.

591
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: And to your point about che Hanks as far as

592
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 2: sounding black, I mean that's subjective. I mean Bob Jobby

593
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 2: called well and Michael McDonald both sounded black when they sang.

594
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: I mean, so really, what does it mean to sound

595
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: black at this point? So, so the real clue the

596
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: FBI and LAPD have to go on is not much

597
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: other than possibly it was that one guy got fired.

598
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but is that just because he's on their mind?

599
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: They missed him so much.

600
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: That's a good point, like they.

601
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 4: Missed Princess Diana.

602
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,959
Speaker 2: Also, there was the keys. I forgot about that they

603
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,679
Speaker 2: asked for the keys, and even more strangely, the purpse

604
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: fled in one of the employees' cars after taking his keys,

605
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: like he always the car. Yeah, but they and also

606
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: they didn't ask which keys go to which car?

607
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 5: But yeah, they were just like I'll just take this

608
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 5: forward tourists out here, Oh I happen to be holding

609
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 5: the keys.

610
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: But also, I mean, only so many employees working that night,

611
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: It's not like the lot was full of cars. How

612
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: long would it take to try the keys?

613
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 4: And you just look at it and hit the Yeah.

614
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 2: The Selen car keys. That wasn't really conclusive proof.

615
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 5: It was in its grab the keys and be like,

616
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, there's so many keys, How will I

617
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 5: ever figure out which one.

618
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 4: As you want?

619
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: Buttering and frustrated. Yeah yeah, so all these going on,

620
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 2: all they have is basically circumstantial evidence, and so this

621
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: perfectly planned and executed heist looks like it's gone off

622
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 2: just brilliantly. No alarms were triggered, no cameras worked to

623
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: capture anything. They got all big denomination money wheeled right

624
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: out of the vault area, loaded up, quick escape. I mean,

625
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: high screw is gone. It's just incredible all by the way,

626
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: I know you like this.

627
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 5: No one got hurt, who I love, except for the

628
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: guy whood Again.

629
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: So they also took the security camera footage with them.

630
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: They went and they took all the vhs.

631
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 4: Oh so you can't even look and see like how tall?

632
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 2: Nothing, So they were smart about that too. The only

633
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 2: piece of hard evidence left behind by the heist crew

634
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: was a tail light cover that was knocked off when

635
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: the truck backed into the loading dock. They broke a

636
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,159
Speaker 2: tail light and a piece of plastic came off. This

637
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 2: is the only hard evidence they have. So how can

638
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: they possibly solve a crime with just a piece of

639
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: red plastic? Reddit, Yeah, I know Reddit could, but these

640
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: are a lapd let's chock. At this point, it sure

641
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: looks like the high Cres stolen nineteen million dollars and

642
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: disappeared into thin air, leaving nia clue behind.

643
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 4: Nineteen million and in nineteen ninety.

644
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: Seven, Yeah, a lot more value than So what do

645
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,159
Speaker 2: you think, Elizabeth, do you think that this one clue

646
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: that is all they needed to bust this crew?

647
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

648
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 4: You know, if you've got someone in the motor pool

649
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 4: in LAPG who's just like on it, hammering down Megan

650
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 4: Mega Carnard.

651
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: Oh, I recognized that also, the FBI forensics team is

652
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: going to get involved to Yeah.

653
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 6: That's true, the exactly So, I'll just cut to the chase.

654
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 2: It was not enough for them to break the case. Nice,

655
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: What about the employee who had been fired the day before?

656
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: Was that clue the one that the FBI needed to break.

657
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 4: The case exactly?

658
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: Again, No, it wasn't. As far as the FBI could tell.

659
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 2: The high Screw pulled off a damn near perfect hes

660
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 2: and gotten away with a clean, cool nineteen mil.

661
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 4: I am so frustrated that I'm going to find out

662
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 4: what the problem, like, how they blew it?

663
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: You're gonna love it. So what about the party plan?

664
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: Did it work to establish their alibi when they went

665
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 2: to check on Allen pace the third they're like, oh, yeah,

666
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 2: go check my alibi at the house party.

667
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were sipping on gin and right.

668
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: Well, apparently they did check and his alibi was sworn out.

669
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 2: People like, oh, yeah, he was here at the house party.

670
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: And then I saw him again late night at like

671
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: one am we were doing the dozens.

672
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: That's a really good That is actually a good thing

673
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 4: because people.

674
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: That have had a little bit of dress substance exactly,

675
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 5: he memory is not good for the memory.

676
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 4: And they're also not going to want to be like, well,

677
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't know there are four hours in the county.

678
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: Because they drove to a house, changed clothes, back into

679
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 2: their clothes, and went right back to the house party

680
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: in Long Beach and like celebrated, and you knew they

681
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 2: got a lot to celebrate, and once they re established themselves,

682
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 2: it seemed like they've been at the party all night.

683
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, they pulled up in a giant exactly.

684
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 2: With a missing tail light. So what gifts? How did

685
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: they end up on this show? Did they break the

686
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 2: basic rule of a heist and start buying all kinds

687
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: of extravagant gifts and lavishing themselves with the finer things

688
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: in life, getting a oh yeah, no pink Cadillacs for them.

689
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: They didn't spend a dime of the money for like

690
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: six months. Yeah, this tist crew, amateurs acting like pros.

691
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, so what.

692
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: Happened, Elizabeth?

693
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 6: I know.

694
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 2: The crew was so disciplined. They had an exit plan,

695
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: you know, I'm always talking about that, even had a

696
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: plan to launder the cash. Wow, there's six month cooling

697
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: off period. They put the next part of their plan

698
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 2: into action. They went and they hired themselves with local

699
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 2: immigration lawyer and they offered him and his assistant a

700
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 2: million dollars each if they would help launder the stolen money.

701
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: The lawyer heard that, it was like, yeah, let's do this.

702
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: So he didn't get I don't know, yeah immigrant, I

703
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 2: just know he's a immigration lawyer. His name is David Matsumoto,

704
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 2: and his assistant was his cat named Joaquin bin Now together, No,

705
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: they hired them. They picked him out like yeah, like

706
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: I hear, you're kind of dirty, Like I don't know,

707
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 2: I don't know how he's recommended. So the high screw

708
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: the immigration lawyer and his assistant they work out this

709
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 2: complicated scheme to launder the stolen cash. They planned to

710
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 2: create a false paper trail of W two tax forms

711
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 2: that show that the members of the High Screw are

712
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: earning this money as wages. Right, So the immigration lawyer

713
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: creates this byzantine paper trail, right, involving shell companies, front

714
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: companies that all have obscuring the ownership. And to effect

715
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: that pace, he creates a company of his own called

716
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: Extreme Entertainment. It was a party rental supply company, and

717
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: that meant they could buy cars and jet skis and

718
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: then be able to use them for themselves beause it's

719
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: part of Extreme Entertainment's holdings. So that's how they can

720
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: get around the pink Cadillac temptation.

721
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

722
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: Using this companys cover, the immigration lawyer is able to then,

723
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: you know, help them purchase their cars and their toys

724
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 2: and then also pay them through the W two's And

725
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 2: then also they decide, okay, we have more money we

726
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 2: need to get rid of. He's like, okay, well, what

727
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 2: do you want to do is real estate. It's a

728
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: great way to wash cash. So they go on a

729
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: spending spree, buying through their front companies real estate. Immigration

730
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: lawyer Matsumoto and the high screw. They work this money

731
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: laundering scheme for two years, flying below the radar because

732
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 2: there's all sorts of hanky stuff in LA. When it

733
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 2: comes to front, I.

734
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 4: Would have I would have gotten a small business loan

735
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 4: and bought a car wash. That's a good one, and

736
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 4: then you know no one ever goes there, or like

737
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: he's kind of just in the neighborhood.

738
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: Go for free, Go for free. You always have a.

739
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 5: Line, launder all the money, and then you get the

740
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 5: W two's out of the plus you've got the cover

741
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 5: of I had to take over.

742
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: But that's that's kind of like a classic mafia and

743
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: movie mafia move, So I think the FBI might have

744
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: noticed that. But nobody does extreme entertainment to hide their robbery.

745
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: So it just seemed like some more hinky LA stuff.

746
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 4: And like that's the era of like extreme extreme.

747
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: Everything, like Colgan with a black mustache. Now everything's going

748
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 2: so damn well. They plotted this perfect hest, they pulled

749
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 2: off the perfect hes. They'd washed their money perfectly for

750
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 2: two years. So again I asked, what the hell happened

751
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: that led to them getting the star treatment of ridiculous.

752
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: I don't trust the attorney's assistant.

753
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: Well, it's a good one. That's a good suspicion. Well,

754
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 2: to their credit, the LAPD and the FBI never gave

755
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 2: up on cracking this case, which would have been understandable

756
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: if they did sort of move on because they're really busy.

757
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 4: But yeah, but that's a huge amount of.

758
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 2: Totally Also it's a huge embarrassment for them. Is one

759
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: of the most successful heists, so it's like, oh, top

760
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: of the list, but even eventually it turns into a

761
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 2: cold case. Right after two a couple of years, the

762
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: trouble for the FEDS was the Dunbar robbery, once again,

763
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: as I said, the most successful armored car heist in

764
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: America at the time, which meant the FBI still is like,

765
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 2: we can't ever really stop. So it wasn't really cold,

766
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: it's more like a warm case. Sure, it's over the years,

767
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: their chief suspect, Alan Pace, he gets interviewed, questioned by

768
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 2: the FBI multiple times. They just stopped by every so

769
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 2: often questioned him, see if they get him to break Nope, Yeah,

770
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: Now he's the obvious choice, is the possible insider, and

771
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 2: they just keep working him. But he never flinches in

772
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: the face of this pressure. He never breaks. He's always like,

773
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: why are you guys bothering me? Right? The trouble for

774
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: the FEDS was, even if the FBI thought he might

775
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: be the mastermind for this alleged insider job, he looked

776
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: hell of normal on paper. He had no criminal history.

777
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 2: He's from the solid middle class home. He's well remembered

778
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: by his former co workers. They're like, oh, man, he

779
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: used to pull pranks on us. That was great. He

780
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: sent to humor. They were like fun, flirt lord, pressure right,

781
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: big Diana fan. Everybody could relate to him. As far

782
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: as the FBI was concerned, he didn't fit the profile

783
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: of a big bad bank robbery if he was on

784
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: criminal minds. I'll put this in your terms. They say

785
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: his profile didn't fit the unsub they were looking for.

786
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 5: I see, okay, now, okay, yes, now, now if you

787
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 5: can say that while dressed and sounding like Joe Montana, then.

788
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: I would have nailed it. Then that's too big of

789
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: an ask. Sorry, there's only one Joe Mantanine. So it

790
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: was clearly obviously suspicious that the safety director of facility

791
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: got fired one day before, But they just could not

792
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: nail them, and they couldn't get the papers so they

793
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 2: could raid his home and find any evidence because you know,

794
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,919
Speaker 2: they needed the DA to sign off or whatever, try

795
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: as they might looks like the FBI and just might

796
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 2: never solve this one just had this embarrassing stain on

797
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: their face forever. So now I ask you one last time,

798
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 2: how the hell did they end up on this show?

799
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 4: Went wrong?

800
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: But they're perfectly planned executed heist.

801
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I feel like it's going to

802
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 4: be a cautionary tale.

803
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: It is. Hold that thought, Elizabeth, and after these messages,

804
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: I will tell you how the dunbar armored Heist Facility

805
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: heist crew finally ran out of Lady Luck's favor. Oh

806
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: we're back, Elizabeth, Yes we are so now that we've

807
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 2: done the deal and seeing that these cats slipped away

808
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: and leave no actionable clues. Ready to hear how the

809
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: heighst crew is perfect Luck finally ran out after the

810
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 2: completion of the successful heist. Right. Originally, each member of

811
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,000
Speaker 2: the hight crew received one hundred thousand dollars from the robbery.

812
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 2: It was like walking around money. They all were getting

813
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 2: some money, just a little taste of success. Yeah, you know,

814
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: they don't spend all in one place.

815
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 3: Now.

816
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: As for the rest of the cash, the mastermind Alan

817
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 2: paced the third He kept it under lock and key

818
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: at a secure storage facility in the South LA neighborhood

819
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: of Guardina. Right, So then he and his childhood friends,

820
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: he's ill. Yes, they lay low and they they said,

821
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: stretches for years. They lay low for years. Meanwhile, LAPD's

822
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: burglary team, FBI robbery squads, big time embarrassed. They just

823
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 2: are still working the case, still working the case. Dunbar

824
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: armored heist is like, it's this legendary thing. People are

825
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 2: talking about it. So they're embarrassed and they really want

826
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 2: to bust these guys. But howl. During the subsequent months

827
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 2: and years, nothing turns up, no tips, nobody flips on them,

828
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: No girlfriends get upset, no wives get you know, like,

829
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 2: oh you got a side piece, None of the like that. Right,

830
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 2: But the FBI they do follow up on their one

831
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 2: good lead, that broken tail light right left at the scene.

832
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: The FBI forensics teams they determined that the tail light

833
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,919
Speaker 2: belonged to a U haul rental truck, so that was good.

834
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: The FBI visits all of the U haul rental centers

835
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 2: in the La Long beach area, the valley covering.

836
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: Sometimes sometimes you gotta just do that shoe.

837
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: Love exactly, that's the deal.

838
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 4: They look, get out there and shake some trees.

839
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: They check every record they can for any truck rented

840
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,839
Speaker 2: by an Allen Pace the third, who's on their only suspect. Sure,

841
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: since they're fairly certain it was inside job and it

842
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: was him, this fits their theory. Only trouble is the

843
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: U haul rental folks. At every place they go to,

844
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 2: they tell the FBI they have no records of an

845
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: Allen Pace the third renting a truck at that time

846
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 2: or anywhere near that time, or in fact ever, He's

847
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: never ever rented a U that's not his thing. He's like,

848
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: I got a friend with the truck. He has a

849
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 2: box truck. He lives in. So what's frustrating for the FBI, Right,

850
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: But they don't give up on Allen Pace the third

851
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: is their lead suspect. They just have like a picture

852
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: of them in their office throwing dark chat it right,

853
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: They started working round the clock surveillance of Pace, you know,

854
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 2: just all that. They just stay on him this whole time.

855
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: They watch him. They wait for him to slip up

856
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: to spend some money. He shouldn't be able to have

857
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: do some odd behavior anything. Yeah, this man, this cat,

858
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: he is cool as a cucumber and a bowl of

859
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: hot sauce. Shout out to Man May and MCA. Now,

860
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: Allen Pace doesn't spend money, No extravagant purchases, no trips,

861
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: He doesn't leave the LA area nothing. He doesn't even

862
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,919
Speaker 2: have a bank account. I mean any money he spends

863
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 2: is basically cash. He doesn't do anything that confirms their suspicions.

864
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 2: Not only that, Elizabeth, do you want to know how

865
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: committed to the heist this dude is. He doesn't even

866
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 2: contact any of his childhood friends from the heist team

867
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: for the two years time he cuts off all contacts,

868
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,240
Speaker 2: severs any links to the FBI could use to connect

869
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: any of them to each other. Right, super smart? Really

870
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: on though, before the FBI began their surveill It's likely

871
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 2: in the first day or two after the robbery, back

872
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: when they were still talking to each other, Like maybe I.

873
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 4: Think did they all just go through the attorney?

874
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: Is that they have friends of friends and stuff. They

875
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,360
Speaker 2: have ways to get to each other, but they just

876
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 2: have no direct contact. You know, they can pass word

877
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: through the hood. So he starts, you know, I imagine

878
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: that they were counting the stolen cash and they noticed

879
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: that a good amount of the money had sequential serial numbers.

880
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: So they thought that this would be an imminently easy

881
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: way for us to get caught. So they needed to

882
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: make a plan for what to do with that cash.

883
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,000
Speaker 2: He told his accomplices burn it, and they burned the money.

884
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: They just get rid of it. They burned millions of dollars.

885
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 2: It's all free money to them, so they're that disciplined.

886
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: They burned millions of dollars to make sure that they

887
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: wouldn't be attempted to spend it, and it had to

888
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: be drawed back to them. Good question. Have you ever

889
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 2: burned money?

890
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: No, I'm not an idiot.

891
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: This will probably not surprise you. I have. I have

892
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: burned money because I am an idiot. It wasn't stolen

893
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 2: bank deposits. It was my money. It's my own money. Well,

894
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: it just goes to show a stupid I am about money.

895
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 2: I literally have burned my own cash. Why, well, I'll

896
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: put it to you this way. I was to amuse

897
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 2: my buddy's style. He was he's kind of a square, right,

898
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 2: and so I was like, only I'll burn a dollar

899
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 2: and so I burned like a five dollar bill, and

900
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 2: then I burned a one dollar bill. So we could

901
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 2: see the difference between Lincoln in Washington's faces that they

902
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 2: burned right, and so he was amused by this. And

903
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: I took the the Washington and I laid it down

904
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 2: in this big glass ashtray, and the bill fully burned

905
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 2: up and it just left a perfect ash dollar bill.

906
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: It was so cool to look at. And then we

907
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 2: started poking it like into like George Washington's face gets

908
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 2: all distorted and treasure. I was in college right anyway,

909
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,040
Speaker 2: So ever like playing pointalism on old George's face. Right,

910
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 2: the bill is this perfect ash version. The reason for

911
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 2: that is money isn't just paper. It has cotton fibers. Yeah,

912
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: rolling through it right.

913
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 4: So yeah.

914
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 2: Second question, you ever tried to burn clothing?

915
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 4: I've accidentally burned clothes.

916
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I once tried.

917
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 5: I've had pants burned with a sage stick at a

918
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 5: at a winter solstice, and I wish it.

919
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 4: I wish I'd never been there.

920
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 2: I once got lost on a mountain. I took my

921
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 2: t shirt off, wrapped around a stick and tried to

922
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: make a torch because it was late at night and

923
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 2: all I had was matches, and torches don't burn because

924
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 2: of the cotton. They burned because you dip them in things.

925
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 2: And so I didn't burn. And she's up all my

926
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 2: matches and had no shirt to wear. Anyway, you need

927
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 2: a really big fire for sources of combustion, right, you

928
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 2: would gas, propane, something wax. Anyway, clothing's gonna burn. So

929
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: this is why, once again, dollar bills don't burn so easily. No,

930
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 2: if you're wondering, this is not how they got caught

931
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: burning the money. Burning the money, was that they go

932
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 2: on there like the smoke set up. No, Instead, they

933
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: gave up on burning the money because it was so difficult,

934
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: and they decided, we'll just go and spend the money

935
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: that is a serial numbers. Where can we spend money

936
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: that's sequential serial numbers and not get caught? Where is that? Elizabeth?

937
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 2: I think you can guess this one at casino. If

938
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: you said a Las Vegas, you're today's big winner. So

939
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,399
Speaker 2: that's exactly what the pair of the heist team did.

940
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: They said, road trip Vegas, Baby Vegas, you're so money.

941
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,720
Speaker 2: Now they can't they learned something else about crisp clean

942
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: brand new dollar bills. Slot machines do not like new money.

943
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, if you put a wad of crisp

944
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: new cash into a slot machine, the machine waft and jam. Oh,

945
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 2: this cand be trouble for people. But this is not

946
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,320
Speaker 2: how they got caught. They took a quick detour to

947
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: Las Vegas laundromat to wash their money. After they literally

948
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 2: laundered their cash, they went back to the casinos hit it.

949
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 7: Oh.

950
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: They they wrinkled it all up. Yeah, and they wet

951
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 2: it down and everything, and they hit up the slot.

952
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: Machine doing your laundry and just.

953
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 2: Got cash in the machine just going around.

954
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 5: Well, it's probably they probably put it in one of

955
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 5: those like lingerie.

956
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 4: Well, they're just like being careful.

957
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the LAPD and FBI are

958
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 2: still chasing after phantoms, and eventually, after the surveillance of

959
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,839
Speaker 2: Allen Pace turns up Diddley and Jack Squatt and after

960
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: no new leads come in and the case has gone

961
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: super cold, like colder than a penguin's tail feathers. And

962
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 2: we've had two full years past at this point. Yeah,

963
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't you know it? Lady luck wandered off to glow

964
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: blow on some other guy's dice, and well, brather than me.

965
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: Tell you about this, Elizabeth, I'd just like you to

966
00:41:52,600 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: close your eyes. I'd like you to picture it. It's

967
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,399
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety nine and you are enjoying a quiet day

968
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: in the office of your new boss. You've just arrived

969
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: at work and have settled into your daily routine of

970
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: reading Michael Connolly detective novels until the phone works. At

971
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: the moment, you are recently hired new secretary for a

972
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 2: real estate speculator and in southern California investor. The work

973
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: is slow and undemanding, which you like. Dowers are good,

974
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: the pay is good, and that's really the reason you

975
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,720
Speaker 2: took this job after you lost everything in a failed

976
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: dot com startup called Slot's Virtual Strip Club, which was

977
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: just actually a video feed of a couch that sometimes

978
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: featured a woman as she read from a book and

979
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 2: slowly seductively flipped the pages. Somehow that didn't fit into

980
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: the dot com boom. Oh well, but now you get

981
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: paid to read, so the least there's that. Anyway. Today

982
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: you're reading waiting on a call, but the phone's been silent. However,

983
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 2: there's suddenly a knock at the door. You pop up

984
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: to answer. It's like, oh exciting. A young gentleman steps

985
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: in and he says he has an appointment with your boss.

986
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: He tells you just stopping by to drop off a

987
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: deposit for a recent real estate purchase. Your boss is

988
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: out showing a property to a client, which is a lie.

989
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,959
Speaker 2: Your boss's home with a severe hangover. The young man says,

990
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 2: I bet, so kind lead to deposit with you. You

991
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 2: sort of stare at him and then realize you haven't

992
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 2: said anything, so you say, oh, yes, sure. The young

993
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: man reaches into his backpack and he pulls out a

994
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: stack of cash, and he sets down stack after stack

995
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: of cash. The money looks to be fresh from the bank.

996
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm talking. The bands are still on the stacks of

997
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: ten thousand dollars each. He drops ten stacks on your desk,

998
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: and then he asks for a receipt. You quickly locate

999
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: the receipt book. You fill out the appropriate paperwork. You

1000
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: hand the young man his receipt. He smiles bet thanks.

1001
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: You heads for the door. After he leaves, you stare

1002
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: at the pile of money on your desk. One hundred grand.

1003
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: It's so tempty you can just walk out of here.

1004
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 2: But then, being the super observer that you are, you

1005
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: notice the bands are not from a bank. They're from

1006
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 2: a Dunbar armored car service. You remember reading about the

1007
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 2: brazen robbery of the Dunbar facility a couple of years back.

1008
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: You stare at it some more, and then you pick

1009
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: up a stack of bills. You fan the bills. They

1010
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 2: are crisp. Oh, the clean money smell. This money has

1011
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: never been in circulation. You see that the bands have

1012
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: dates on them. You check the date nineteen ninety seven.

1013
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 2: That was the same year of the Dunbar heist. Then

1014
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: it hits you, this stolen loot. You are over the moon.

1015
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 2: Finally some excitement in this office. You pick up the phone,

1016
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: call your boss at home. You quickly tell him what

1017
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 2: just happened and your working theory. He says, hang up

1018
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: the phone, call the LAPD. You do just that, but

1019
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: you decided to call the Hollywood division on Wilcox, the

1020
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: same division from the Michael Connolly series of Bosh Detective novels.

1021
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: You asked to speak to robbery Homicide. It's all happening.

1022
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: You're calling Bosh's division. Only Bosh isn't real, but you are.

1023
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,760
Speaker 2: But Dan, just like his other great detective Renee Ballard,

1024
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,200
Speaker 2: you have just solved a real life cold case.

1025
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1026
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: After the LAPD gets his call and they come out

1027
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,840
Speaker 2: to the real estate office to check the money bands,

1028
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,880
Speaker 2: the detectives are stoked. They immediately recognize They confirm this

1029
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: is indeed money from the dunbar job two years back.

1030
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 4: I just they left.

1031
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 2: He left the bands on too lazy. Of all the things,

1032
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: the LAPD calls in the FBI. The FEDS are super stoked.

1033
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: Now they finally have an actionable lead on their cold case.

1034
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: The Bureau springs into action. They have someone other than

1035
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: Alan Pace the Third to run surveillance on Yeah, they

1036
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: do just that. They watch Eugene Hill around the clock.

1037
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 2: They peer into his bank records, they examine his phone records.

1038
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: They go back to U haul and ask the truck

1039
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: rental folks if they ever had a reservation for a

1040
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: man named Eugene Hill. U haul folks check their records up.

1041
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 2: What do you know out of the tens of thousands

1042
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 2: of records they have on file out jumps a reservation

1043
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: for a rental truck rented the day of the robbery.

1044
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 4: No gene.

1045
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,879
Speaker 2: The bureau throws on their windbreakers with the big yellow

1046
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 2: letters that read the FBI across their backs, and they

1047
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 2: go roll over to surprise mister Hill. He's promptly located arrested, Elizabeth.

1048
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: What do you think he did when the FBI showed

1049
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: up his house, kicked in the door, threw him on

1050
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: the floor or whatever, arrested them, pulled him into an

1051
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: interrogation room, presented their evidence linking him to the Dunbar Heights.

1052
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 2: Did he roll over on his trusted child friends.

1053
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 4: Cleared his throat and sang.

1054
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: Like a bird, But I believe he did. He sat

1055
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: there and sang every song he knew. The FBI offered

1056
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 2: him a deal, that's how much he was singing, and

1057
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 2: about as fast as he could. He said, I bet

1058
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: I'd like to cooperate, so or some words to that effect.

1059
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,840
Speaker 2: The Hill said, I was there, I did that robbery,

1060
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: and only that he was like and the mastermind was

1061
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: my friend Allan Paced the third. The other guy's names

1062
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 2: are Boom. The cat told the FBI everything he knew,

1063
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: and next the FBI locates the other members of the

1064
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 2: heist crew before they can be warned about this, arrest

1065
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 2: them all, and just like that, years after their successful

1066
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 2: heightst the Amateur Height crew finds themselves in federal court.

1067
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 2: The first trial kicks off in two thousand and one.

1068
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: It's pretty much an open end, shutcase. Each member of

1069
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 2: the heist team is tried, convicted, and sentenced boom. Each

1070
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: member of the crew gets seven and a half years

1071
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: in federal lock up, except Alan Pace, the third. He

1072
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 2: refuses to cooperate. He did not all the charges, wouldn't

1073
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: confess to anything, say he knew anybody. That means the

1074
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,080
Speaker 2: judge threw the book at him and then chased it

1075
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 2: with his gavel. He gave him twenty four years in

1076
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 2: federal prison. He sent him up to FCI Stafford over

1077
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 2: in Arizona, which is not a place you want to be,

1078
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 2: and there he stayed until October of twenty twenty. He

1079
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: did nineteen years behind bars, and based on the date,

1080
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: I don't think he got off for good time. I

1081
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Speaker 2: think he qualified for early release during the COVID years

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Speaker 2: since it was October twenty twenty, and I had an

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Speaker 2: uncle who was let out of federal prison around that

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Speaker 2: same time for that same reason. So I'm guessing that's

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Speaker 2: what it was. Now, if you speak with Alan Pace

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Speaker 2: a third today, he still denies he had anything to

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Speaker 2: do with the Dunbar heist. The most he's ever said

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Speaker 2: is that he must have been framed by one of

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Speaker 2: the guys who did it, one of his fellow co defendants. Right,

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Speaker 2: what was his reasoning for why they would frame him

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Speaker 2: for the job? Good question, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 4: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: Alan Pace said that he suspects it. Maybe I was

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Speaker 2: messing with his wife. Oh so there was that. Now

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Speaker 2: I left out two folks. So what about the immigration

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Speaker 2: lawyer and his assistant? Yeah, ka, the money launderers, Well,

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Speaker 2: don't worry. The FBI caught up with them too. David

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Speaker 2: Matsumoto got indicted on seventy one counts of money laundering

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Speaker 2: and one count of aiding in a bedding tried, convicted,

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Speaker 2: found guilty sentence for his part in the money laundering.

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Speaker 2: He got twenty seven months in federal prison, so two

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Speaker 2: years three months. Being that he was a lawyer. He

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Speaker 2: was also disbarred by the state of California. Ye his assistant,

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Speaker 2: Joaquin beIN, he had been at this point he'd become

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Speaker 2: an Arabian horse farm owner in the santi Andez Valley.

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Speaker 4: I wonder where he is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, all that goes boof. He's also tried, convicted,

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Speaker 2: sentence to thirty months in federal prison. I guess his

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Speaker 2: boss had a better lawyer. Some of the eighteen point

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Speaker 2: nine million dollars that the crew stole, Matsumoto had washed

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Speaker 2: a considerable amount. The FBI was only able to recover

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Speaker 2: about five million from the robbery. There remains an outstanding

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Speaker 2: fortune they could never find, according to US attorney Alejandro Majorcas. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: despite their extraordinary efforts, over ten million dollars is still

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Speaker 2: unaccounted for. Well, they burned some, they burned some, and

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00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 2: also Alan pay Saint talking, so I think he knows

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Speaker 2: where some of it is. Yeah, and it's likely the

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Speaker 2: f BET will never be able to fine or reclaim

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Speaker 2: that missing money. But I think they keep an eye

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Speaker 2: on him, waiting for him to buy a boat or

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Speaker 2: do something.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and there you go.

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Speaker 2: So ends our tale of the all at the time

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Speaker 2: the largest cash robbery of an armored car company in

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Speaker 2: So what's our ridiculous takeaway here? Elizabeth?

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Speaker 4: You know, we we have childhood friends, but we don't

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Speaker 4: have good judgment as children about like character and personality

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Speaker 4: and who might be fun to pal around with as

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Speaker 4: a kid doesn't always grow up to be Yes, So

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Speaker 4: you've got this one loose cannon who is too lazy

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Speaker 4: to take the bands off the money.

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Speaker 2: And Alan pays. He basically picked them because he knew

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Speaker 2: it where their families were if he needed to get revenge.

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Speaker 2: But he never thought that one of them just get busted. Flip.

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Speaker 2: He had not thought about the unexpected, right right, Saren,

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Speaker 2: what's your I just told it you. Sorry, I skipped ahead.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't want you to ask, So there you go.

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Speaker 2: So I enjoyable. It worked for the whole. Well, let's

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Speaker 2: wash this all down with the talkback. What do you

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Speaker 2: say to love that you favor us with one? Oh

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Speaker 2: my god, super.

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Speaker 8: Hell, I'm listening to your catalog again and again and again.

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Speaker 8: And the great Imposture episode of Very Brimen of July

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Speaker 8: twenty eighth and twenty twenty two. I'll google that guy

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Speaker 8: and it says on the pedias that he has forty children,

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Speaker 8: which he was definitely pretending to be somebody specially and

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Speaker 8: makes forty children with someone, So anyway, are you ridiculous?

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Speaker 6: That's another ridiculous crime that is that is ridiculous ridiculous crime.

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Speaker 6: know it different and I hope they enjoyed it and

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Speaker 6: oh yeah, sorry, here's another one.

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