Speaker 1: The volume, Molly, Okay, if I picked the song to
Speaker 1: start the episode today, sure, Rory.
Speaker 2: Spinning through them with the fortune like say, Jack, you'll
Speaker 2: pump your break scratched.
Speaker 3: I only spin it for y'all and.
Speaker 4: Niggas like my nigga.
Speaker 2: Mall eating space back y'all niggas fumped.
Speaker 4: Me a fit.
Speaker 1: Why didn't you tell us that Beans rapped about that situation?
Speaker 3: Because I don't. I don't know if that was about that, all.
Speaker 1: Right, rap genius, tell how else could that bar be taken?
Speaker 5: I'm just saying I don't know. I mean, if you
Speaker 5: want me to make it about me, sure, no, make it.
Speaker 1: I didn't make it about you. Beans made it about you.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, probably, but that was so long ago, ok,
Speaker 5: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I just cannot believe that you've held all this information
Speaker 1: from us for so long. For those that didn't listen
Speaker 1: to our last episode, Maul explained the time that he
Speaker 1: ate way too many weed brownies, Oh my god, and
Speaker 1: then Beanie Siegull called to him, I.
Speaker 5: Got anxiety talking about it, like I started getting the
Speaker 5: shakes just talking about that.
Speaker 1: BINGI c called you space cakes. And then what does
Speaker 1: he say in this verse? Space What space packs? Okay,
Speaker 1: you what a whole pack? Wasn't even mister Brownie, it
Speaker 1: felt like a pack. When was the first time you
Speaker 1: heard heard your name over the airwaves?
Speaker 3: First time ever?
Speaker 1: When did you hear this song?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Were you in the studio when they do this?
Speaker 3: Nah? I mean, I don't know. That was what two thousand,
Speaker 3: two thousand and one.
Speaker 1: Two thousand and two, I think that was.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I heard so much music I
Speaker 3: can't remember.
Speaker 5: But that's why when we were talking about what came out,
Speaker 5: whether it was The Blueprint or Dynasty, you hear songs
Speaker 5: getting recorded in two thousand comes out in two thousand
Speaker 5: and one.
Speaker 1: Ah, you're one of those like, oh you finally hearing this.
Speaker 1: Glad the world can finally hear this record.
Speaker 5: I mean, anybody that's in the studio feels like that
Speaker 5: after you hear a song for.
Speaker 1: Oh, y y'all finally hearing that. Yeah, it just came
Speaker 1: out today with.
Speaker 3: That old thing, like yeah, we want something new right now.
Speaker 1: I also find it funny that like Beans, Beans only
Speaker 1: does this rap shit for you, Like he only spits
Speaker 1: it from all. Maybe I'm the only one that found
Speaker 1: that baring alaryos that.
Speaker 3: Why is that that funny?
Speaker 1: Because beans, just doing this ship for you is funny.
Speaker 1: That's not what he said, Like he really got into
Speaker 1: this rap shit, like just to do it for you.
Speaker 6: Y'all.
Speaker 3: First, so you completely deleted that bar.
Speaker 1: Wait so you're not y'all? No, it's just you and
Speaker 1: then them.
Speaker 3: Well, I could be included in, y'all. I'm allt of y'all.
Speaker 3: I guess it depending on who's talking.
Speaker 4: Yo.
Speaker 1: That's that's hilarious. I'm gonna make that your ringtone like
Speaker 1: when you call ring tones back. No, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: I could make it somehow on my phone.
Speaker 6: Okay, they still got ring tones, You can still get
Speaker 6: ring tones.
Speaker 1: Having your phone ring period, to me is weird. Like whoever,
Speaker 1: whoever has their.
Speaker 5: Only thing worse than your phone ringing is when your
Speaker 5: phone doesn't ring but it does that crazy flash shit.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, I hate that, Like that is the crazies
Speaker 5: shit ever to.
Speaker 1: Have your phone you're a psychopath?
Speaker 3: You have that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that that might trigger I don't even have seizures,
Speaker 5: but that might that might trigger a seizure for me.
Speaker 1: You know, you know what group of people we should
Speaker 1: place on an island The people.
Speaker 6: That are.
Speaker 3: That because I could have answered that for you.
Speaker 1: We were doing so good.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't so good everything.
Speaker 5: Answered it for you. But then you answered it, you know,
Speaker 5: I mean you just went ahead because you was like you.
Speaker 1: Know the people that are on the speaker auxiliary bluetooth
Speaker 1: that keep their phone on loud too, like you gave
Speaker 1: when they got a text yes, yeah, and then just
Speaker 1: keep letting it rock like it's no.
Speaker 3: That's when you just go and just take their phone
Speaker 3: and just unplug it.
Speaker 1: No, unplugged, get out of my house.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel you on that.
Speaker 1: But how's your week?
Speaker 4: Ben?
Speaker 3: I've seen you every day this week, Rory. How do
Speaker 3: you think my week is?
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted. Yeah, coffee has me jittery. I'm I'm I'm exhausting.
Speaker 3: Productive though productive week, busy but productive. I love busy,
Speaker 3: productive weeks.
Speaker 1: I've been kind of outside too. On top of us
Speaker 1: being so busy, I look at its being out these streets.
Speaker 5: Yeah, never mind all the beans state property. Like, let's
Speaker 5: talk about you and Draymond Green and Steph Curry. Let's
Speaker 5: talk hanging out with the mono warriors. It I told
Speaker 5: you it was a man warrior went out with them people.
Speaker 5: Why are you saying like that? No, not like that,
Speaker 5: but like the people.
Speaker 6: That he named, the people that he named, you went
Speaker 6: out with those people.
Speaker 1: I went to Draymond Green's birthday?
Speaker 6: Did that happen?
Speaker 1: When was that Tuesday night?
Speaker 3: I love when you do that, when you scratch your
Speaker 3: scalp like you don't know.
Speaker 6: He lying, it's been a busy week.
Speaker 1: I can't remember it was Monday.
Speaker 3: I think it was Tuesday.
Speaker 1: We recorded with Lexi Tuesday, so yeah, that was Tuesday. Listen.
Speaker 1: He's our label mate. So you know, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to go out shout out to Draymond.
Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Draymond Green.
Speaker 1: So after we had Lexi on the pod available now great,
Speaker 1: great conversation Lexi Brown.
Speaker 3: Shout out to Lexi Brown.
Speaker 1: So her and I went to the birthday party. I
Speaker 1: must be pussy like I have to be. Me and
Speaker 1: Lexi are sitting there kicking it kind of by the
Speaker 1: DJ boost, chilling, having a good time. An NBA player
Speaker 1: that I will not name, walks up to us, boxes
Speaker 1: me out in whispers in Lexi's ear, Yo, I love
Speaker 1: your game.
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 1: I wasn't with Lexi, but I could have.
Speaker 3: Been yeah, but don't you don't know that.
Speaker 6: He don't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nah, well he's sixty five sixty six. No, he
Speaker 1: was the point guard. Okay, so six four tall than me,
Speaker 1: but that's, you know, not that difficult. He could probably
Speaker 1: he probably didn't see you. This is the elevation was.
Speaker 1: It was just her and I, right, did you stand up? No,
Speaker 1: we were standing.
Speaker 3: Up, damn standing up and he still couldn't see.
Speaker 1: You, and like we were like this, and then he
Speaker 1: just kind of moved his shoulder in and then whispering there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, listen, she's not with me, but you could
Speaker 1: have at least like checked first.
Speaker 6: Did she giggle?
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say what her reaction was because it
Speaker 1: wasn't favorable. And it was kind of funny because we
Speaker 1: talked about how men approach her on the actual episode,
Speaker 1: so to see that shit in person and like dudes
Speaker 1: only complimenting her game as a way to try to
Speaker 1: hit on her, it was one of the funniest things.
Speaker 4: I'm saying.
Speaker 5: He saw you trying to set a screen. He just
Speaker 5: got over the screen. That's all he saw you. You're
Speaker 5: trying to set a screen. He was like, watch out, man,
Speaker 5: I'm getting over that. Get over that easy.
Speaker 1: No, I was really I was not mad because I
Speaker 1: had no right to be. But I started thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: I must be pussy like how confidently he did not
Speaker 1: give a fuck about me standing there talking to her
Speaker 1: was like, all right, man, I have to air this
Speaker 1: ship out.
Speaker 5: The energy, the body language probably wasn't that of people
Speaker 5: that are in a relationship or you know, you probably
Speaker 5: felt the just friends.
Speaker 1: Energy and trying to say me and like you could
Speaker 1: never have chemistry. I mean you didn't feel it during
Speaker 1: the episode. No, that's crazy, it's tangible.
Speaker 6: Did you put your Sunday's Best on? Though? When Sunday's
Speaker 6: Best is crazy? When you got on, they said, damn,
Speaker 6: you got that ship on. Let me not have that
Speaker 6: ship on. This is more dressed up than I was
Speaker 6: dressed up with. You wear a T shirt everywhere else.
Speaker 6: I had a T shirt on underneath a little The
Speaker 6: match said, have been shirtless. You had a little matches
Speaker 6: if I showed them shirt episode.
Speaker 3: You gotta go shirtless under this, under the track suit.
Speaker 6: That's what you gotta do. You gotta show the chest.
Speaker 6: He said, you cross your legs. They said, you don't
Speaker 6: never cross your legs in that cheer. They said you
Speaker 6: had your legs crossed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said, first of all, with that couch, it's tough,
Speaker 1: like because you kind of like dip into it, and
Speaker 1: the only way to get comfortable. Wait, first of all
Speaker 1: is like leg crossing is supposed to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like this, that's the thing body language.
Speaker 5: If your leg has crossed the same way that her
Speaker 5: leg is, that's what means that.
Speaker 3: It's it's no, it's a real thing.
Speaker 1: An NBA player noticed that because y'all was standing, you
Speaker 1: didn't have your legs cross up like that. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: should have been like a flamingo, like a karate kid
Speaker 1: me doing crane kicks at Draymond Green's barty.
Speaker 5: That's what you should have been doing, practicing your crane.
Speaker 5: That's your problem.
Speaker 1: Now, if you practice practice, you are you can see
Speaker 1: in the dark exactly exactly. And we we uh. We
Speaker 1: interviewed another player for Don't Know Balls, you know Banking
Speaker 1: some episodes and we discussed Chris Mullen for like most
Speaker 1: of the episode.
Speaker 3: Shout out to the legend, the legend Chris Mullin and
Speaker 3: New York City legend.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, my social anxiety whatever, I just
Speaker 1: i'd be kind of out the mix in the mix.
Speaker 1: So I found a nice cozy spot after I got
Speaker 1: boxed the funk out and lost the lector.
Speaker 3: Had to go find your pride.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you want to go find your pride in a
Speaker 5: bottle of whiskey?
Speaker 3: I know. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: Don Julio. Yeah, So I go to the bar. Happens
Speaker 1: to be another white person there. We make eye contact.
Speaker 1: It's just an understanding two Republicans. Yeah, I get it,
Speaker 1: I understand. I know what type of nat We had
Speaker 1: some thoughts we weren't gonna say out loud, but we
Speaker 1: both we we both knew yeah, and we just got
Speaker 1: the talking, you know, hit it off in like a
Speaker 1: man way. As I leaving, my friend was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, you know what that was, right, I was like, no, no, idea,
Speaker 1: it's Chris Mullen's son. I was like, dog, we just
Speaker 1: talked about him for two hours. Yeah, fucking five minutes ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the weirdesthit in the world for me.
Speaker 3: That's the that's the that's the universe. You know.
Speaker 5: You put that put that energy out and to find
Speaker 5: you Chris Mullen's son found. Yeah, Chris Mullins manifested the
Speaker 5: moment he found he found you, Okay, well you.
Speaker 1: Been outside too, what are you talking about? Didn't you
Speaker 1: go somewhere last night?
Speaker 5: I went home, I got invited. Uh Vonna hit me
Speaker 5: and invited me to uh what's that Girl's low karaoke?
Speaker 3: Is that the name of it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great party.
Speaker 3: So he invited me to that.
Speaker 5: But it was rain, it was pooring, it was nasty
Speaker 5: outside last night. I was like, nah, it's nothing worse
Speaker 5: than having to walk to the spot and he going
Speaker 5: in and everything is your jacket is wet, And.
Speaker 3: I was like, nah, I just wasn't feeling that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Draymond's party. I hadn't really been like
Speaker 1: outside outside in a little bit. I feel bad for
Speaker 1: these young guys.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: The new hoes are boring as fucked Like they're just boring.
Speaker 3: When you say boring, what do you mean?
Speaker 1: Like they literally just sit there and look pretty. They
Speaker 1: offer nothing. Remember when hoes used to be fun, like
Speaker 1: ho would get a party started. H They just they
Speaker 1: literally just sit there.
Speaker 3: That's because they only speak Zell. You got you ain't
Speaker 3: speaking Zell.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. That's how you got to
Speaker 5: introduce yourself. My name is Zelle and yours listen.
Speaker 1: I probably should go to more NBA parties like that,
Speaker 1: because all the hoes just think I'm like one of
Speaker 1: their lawyers or something like, oh, he must be he
Speaker 1: must be Draymond's manager.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, put that vibe in a room
Speaker 3: foot ball player.
Speaker 6: Weren't they young? Hose though?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Now, well twenty four twenty five is young.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were definitely early twenties. Fifth and of course
Speaker 1: you know Draymond and Steph far away from the hose. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hose weren't getting they know, Steph Curry walked in with
Speaker 1: a mink on.
Speaker 3: Gangster like that period in the Rain, Yes, gangster like that.
Speaker 1: I never thought I thought Steph Curry was going to
Speaker 1: be like in this jersey. I could never picture him
Speaker 1: and like clothes outside he was.
Speaker 5: Under like exactly, Steph being a club underrest.
Speaker 1: Any guy that doesn't even get a shape up for
Speaker 1: his wedding. I could never picture going to a party
Speaker 1: in a mick.
Speaker 5: I mean after you finished doing what he did in
Speaker 5: the Guard on Tuesday night, Yeah, I mean you have
Speaker 5: to show up to Draymond's birthday with a mink on
Speaker 5: it's only right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was a little a little bitter
Speaker 1: even being in there. I kind of felt like somewhat
Speaker 1: of a trader. But why listen, man, I'm the Knicks.
Speaker 5: He owns the Knicks, and me he owns the New York.
Speaker 5: New York is steps like he lost one time I
Speaker 5: think in the guard.
Speaker 1: Really in his basketball he's won every single time in
Speaker 1: his basketball career.
Speaker 3: Davidson included he's lost one time.
Speaker 1: And Davidson included his great in.
Speaker 5: Madison, He's lost one time in Madison Square Guarden. He's
Speaker 5: like thirteen and one to think it something like that.
Speaker 1: That's wold crazy. Oh then yeah, I mean I'm definitely trader,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't be seen next time the regular night
Speaker 1: for Steph Man.
Speaker 6: Where were you last night when the gang was outside? Though?
Speaker 6: Because I was waiting on you it's going on.
Speaker 5: Well we oh you didn't pull up on. I thought
Speaker 5: you was pulling up on ganging them.
Speaker 1: Nah, because our meeting went over and Marlon Craft had
Speaker 1: had his residency.
Speaker 3: Oh yes, shout out.
Speaker 1: That was, by the way, incredible. If you can make
Speaker 1: Marlon's residency, it's what I feel like. The New York
Speaker 1: music scene has been missing for quite some time. Actual
Speaker 1: live fucking music people actually rapping, like just jam session fans,
Speaker 1: like a real unity. It was. Yeah, it felt like
Speaker 1: New York and shit felt like village underground Sundays. I
Speaker 1: forgot the name of the venue. It's in Alphabet City,
Speaker 1: and I feel bad because the venue was fucking fire.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I had never even heard of it
Speaker 1: or that new show. It's a new venue, not it's
Speaker 1: been around forever. That's what I was asking for. I'll
Speaker 1: find it maybe maybe posted. But it was great. I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't say enough of how good that show is.
Speaker 1: Bam Blue, New Blue, Yeah, yes.
Speaker 3: Oh New Blues.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, my man, my man for Docman telling me
Speaker 5: about New Blue because they do jam sessions in there.
Speaker 5: They have like a lot of producers going in on Mondays.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's what the manager was telling me that,
Speaker 1: like right after the show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, my man, Docman telling me to slide through. I gotta,
Speaker 5: I gotta, I gotta go check it out with him.
Speaker 1: And now he sent me a video. It looked like
Speaker 1: a vibe in there. Oh I'm definitely down. You know,
Speaker 1: that's my type of ship. But you know, Marlon smoked
Speaker 1: that ship. It was it was a really fun, fun
Speaker 1: fucking time. So shout out to malin Man highly suggests
Speaker 1: people go to that. But yeah, that's like back to
Speaker 1: back to back nights out. And then I mean I
Speaker 1: hit the Maris after the show. I was helping her
Speaker 1: and you Alma was still in the streets, but.
Speaker 6: She was home in my bed.
Speaker 1: There's nothing like going I figured Yomi had her out.
Speaker 6: Now Yomi went to another spot. I went home. I'm
Speaker 6: not running. I'm not playing with Yomi. Ass like I
Speaker 6: went home.
Speaker 5: Yomi outside they moved. When they moved to the A,
Speaker 5: by myself.
Speaker 6: You tried it. I went by myself. What did I try?
Speaker 6: I had to go upload ram radio or do ram
Speaker 6: radio and go to sing.
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what you had to go home and work
Speaker 3: and go to sleep that ram that ram.
Speaker 1: Do get rams.
Speaker 6: But it was nic seeing Yom Yomi was. She told
Speaker 6: me to tell y'all how end she's doing.
Speaker 3: Well, you don't even text a nigga no more. See
Speaker 3: how they do move to the A and just of
Speaker 3: that's how it goes though. Yeah, man, it's all good.
Speaker 3: And I go to the A. I'm gonna just post
Speaker 3: mad pictures in Atlanta. Not hit Yomy at all.
Speaker 1: She's gonna keep scrolling past single now you don't go ahead.
Speaker 1: I kind of felt away. Was it yesterday two days
Speaker 1: ago when Yomi text you to tell what's up?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: I'm right, which she want to say? What's up to me?
Speaker 6: It's crazy you sex her and say what up to her?
Speaker 6: Looion reaches out? You reach out?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't like to just you want people like.
Speaker 5: No, I'm gonna start started on. I'm gonna be like, yo,
Speaker 5: what's so? Why are you don't like say what's up?
Speaker 5: Say hello when you come to the city.
Speaker 6: No more?
Speaker 3: What's going on with you?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 3: I don't like that.
Speaker 6: She says she might slide through today, but I don't know.
Speaker 6: She was out drinking last night, so I doubt she
Speaker 6: said that yesterday. But I don't think she's still sleep.
Speaker 1: You almost can hang in Atlanta. Last time we were there,
Speaker 1: only hung with us till like three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 5: You're telling me that's what me peag You know, we
Speaker 5: was all in the lobby and Peach gave us a
Speaker 5: fucking show.
Speaker 3: He was the magician for the night.
Speaker 1: That ship was so completely forgot did we ever talk
Speaker 1: about that on that episode?
Speaker 3: Yes, we did. Yo.
Speaker 5: When I went up to the room, I was still
Speaker 5: laughing at Peach. I'm like, Yo, he just a fucking
Speaker 5: idiot man. He had those bers.
Speaker 1: Gotten full characters.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Yo, we have.
Speaker 1: To have a magician on the pod.
Speaker 3: See we do have one p he made. He made
Speaker 3: the nick bit.
Speaker 1: Right, He'll have to multitize then, did you see?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: I forgot what the magician's name was. I feel bad.
Speaker 1: But he just did a segment with Taylor Rooks and
Speaker 1: he threw like all the cars on the ground or whatever,
Speaker 1: shuffled them and then took out her phone number with
Speaker 1: each card. Like I'm starting to believe, like like magic
Speaker 1: might actually be real.
Speaker 3: That's crazy, Like it's not.
Speaker 5: Just you know, if I see something like that, I
Speaker 5: might be like, you know what, that was crazy. I
Speaker 5: might be on board, Like I might be on board
Speaker 5: with certain certain magicians, like because to see somebody do
Speaker 5: that is like you have to explain to me how
Speaker 5: you did that or I'm gonna believe that you're just
Speaker 5: a sorcerer. Absolutely, you have to break that. What was
Speaker 5: the mass dude name that reveals all the magic? Massic
Speaker 5: Mass magician has to he has to reveal how that's done.
Speaker 3: You have to tell me how you do that.
Speaker 1: What is what is it about magic that makes black
Speaker 1: people run?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Why is that your immediate reaction when trick happens?
Speaker 6: We run when we're entertained.
Speaker 5: That's why we run for anything. We run when we're scared.
Speaker 5: We wont we run when you run fair? Yeah, like
Speaker 5: we just run, we're runners.
Speaker 1: That's always it's always fun to watch black people watch.
Speaker 7: Magic, magic Johnson or like magic because magic as well,
Speaker 7: Magic Johnson because you got to see it when we
Speaker 7: watch the show Tom Lake as we go crazy.
Speaker 1: We've talked about what careers we would have liked to
Speaker 1: have besides this. I think I had set a chef,
Speaker 1: but a magician would definitely be up there. Being a
Speaker 1: magician would be cool as shit, Like job, you really
Speaker 1: knew how to do magic, that's definitely cool. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, if you know, if you could do that
Speaker 1: with Taylor's number, like you could throw a deck of
Speaker 1: cars and for him pick up the number, it would
Speaker 1: be more impressive. And he just picked up his phone
Speaker 1: and called her. That's the real magic. Like we say,
Speaker 1: we say that, but I don't know. You can find
Speaker 1: anything on the internet these days. Maybe he subscribes to
Speaker 1: like Yellow Pages or some shit.
Speaker 3: That's magic. Subscribing to Yellow Pages is magic.
Speaker 1: That's a monthly subscriptions. He could get tailor's number.
Speaker 3: That's crazy as hell.
Speaker 1: You'll be super funny if he just wasn't a magician
Speaker 1: at all. He's just seen tailors like, yo, magician, let
Speaker 1: me get your number.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy, But we got to find out who
Speaker 5: is that? You don't remember his name?
Speaker 3: Did she post it?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 6: No, I was looking for it. I can't find it.
Speaker 1: You know, sometimes like they just be putting ship on
Speaker 1: your feet of things you don't even follow. I think
Speaker 1: it was one of those. But no, I would definitely
Speaker 1: want to have a magician on this podcast. I'll do
Speaker 1: a whole segment with a magician. Yea, we should get
Speaker 1: we should get a magician on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I can't find it. Damn, I'm doing so bad with
Speaker 1: plugging shit today. Kid can't find the venue name, can't
Speaker 1: find this magician. But you know, yeah, oh GS Magic, GS.
Speaker 3: Magic, GS Magic. We would love.
Speaker 1: To have you on the show. Yeah, you're not you're
Speaker 1: not jacking that GS.
Speaker 3: He gotta get a better magician name that is.
Speaker 6: His name is George Stanton, So George Stanton magic, but
Speaker 6: his name is George George Stanton.
Speaker 3: Stance sounds like a magician.
Speaker 1: I'm looking accountant.
Speaker 3: Well yeah that too. Well those are magicians as well.
Speaker 4: Listen.
Speaker 3: They know how to make a lot of things disappeared
Speaker 3: through the exel sheets.
Speaker 1: Lloy on the grade over there, you don't put that on?
Speaker 6: Does everything above the book of course?
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, he legally makes things disappeared. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: really all it was.
Speaker 3: I loved Matt. I loved Ben Affleck in that movie.
Speaker 3: Which movie they're counting?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Part two is coming out? So is it really? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1: Did he just spend the block again?
Speaker 5: Nobody said he would. He said, he said, if if
Speaker 5: he could get another chance with Jennifer Gardner, he would.
Speaker 6: Oh that's oh Jennifer Garner.
Speaker 5: Say yo, Ben is going crazy. He spun twice on him,
Speaker 5: didn't he He's trying to spend.
Speaker 3: A third time.
Speaker 1: I've given Jlo a lot of shit of her maybe
Speaker 1: being the problem and the common denominator and a lot
Speaker 1: of things. But Ben Ben might be the problem too.
Speaker 5: No, Ben's crazy. Ben Afflick is absolutely out of his mind, insane,
Speaker 5: great actor, but I think I think he's still I
Speaker 5: think he really believes he's Batman at this point, because
Speaker 5: only Batman spends more than that.
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Man? Method?
Speaker 1: Acting a little too far?
Speaker 3: Come on, I've seen the dunkin Donuts commercial?
Speaker 1: All right? Anyways, what do we actually have as far
Speaker 1: as topics today? So Casey Anthony's losing her fucking mind,
Speaker 1: but what else is new? Did you subscribe to her
Speaker 1: her legal TikTok show?
Speaker 5: I don't have TikTok and this is probably another reason
Speaker 5: why I don't, because if you're telling them Casey Anthony
Speaker 5: is a legal advocate on TikTok, I don't even know
Speaker 5: what that means. I don't even know. I didn't even
Speaker 5: know TikTok had advocates. I mean, what is that?
Speaker 3: What is her role?
Speaker 6: What she's giving legal advice on TikTok oh?
Speaker 1: Which, okay, I get it could be offensive people, But
Speaker 1: don't you want to hear from the person?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 4: Yo?
Speaker 1: She don't you want to hear from a teflon donnan
Speaker 1: that case.
Speaker 3: She got out of that thought that was open and shut.
Speaker 1: Yo, I will say I did watch that Casey Anthony
Speaker 1: doc when it did come out. I have a whole
Speaker 1: different perspective on that that case. Now, I honestly do
Speaker 1: not think she killed her her child.
Speaker 3: I don't know, man.
Speaker 5: I just think her looking at like body language, and
Speaker 5: you know, if somebody kills your child and they're like
Speaker 5: saying you did it, I just think your natural reaction
Speaker 5: would be a lot more uh aggressive, like yo, y'all
Speaker 5: trying to pin this on me. Like I didn't feel
Speaker 5: none of that from her. I felt that I felt
Speaker 5: to prove it energy from her. She deserves to be
Speaker 5: in jail for life. I just don't think she actually
Speaker 5: killed her child. I think, yeah, I think her. I
Speaker 5: think her and her dad buried their the child.
Speaker 1: I think the child drowned in the pool and they
Speaker 1: did some weird shit and her dad helped her get
Speaker 1: rid of the body, which you deserve to be in
Speaker 1: fucking jailed for Oh.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I just don't think she actually like sat and like
Speaker 1: killed her.
Speaker 3: You think it was an accident that happened and they
Speaker 3: tried to cover it up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but her dedication to not stand out the spotlight,
Speaker 6: just like if you get away with accidental murder just
Speaker 6: like kind of get away with it. She just refuses
Speaker 6: to get away, like I don't understand.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even accidental, like if your child drowned in the
Speaker 5: pool accidentally, I still feel like if you bury a body,
Speaker 5: that's still like insane to me, Like.
Speaker 1: If you bury your child's yes, you should go to jail.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean accidental death is an accidental death, especially
Speaker 5: a pool drown but that.
Speaker 6: Makes me feel like it's not accidental. Yeah, if you
Speaker 6: really love your child and your child accidentally drowns, like
Speaker 6: you're gonna I would be.
Speaker 5: They would find me holding my child's body screaming if
Speaker 5: that was the case.
Speaker 1: Like, Oh, she's definitely sick in the fucking head, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: But now she's on TikTok and you know, she.
Speaker 6: Says she's been in the legal like she's been in
Speaker 6: the field like for all of these years. Like but
Speaker 6: like the date is like the day that she had
Speaker 6: to go to jail. Yeah, she's sick. It's definitely sick.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, everybody on TikTok, if you need some
Speaker 5: legal advice on whatever it may be, I mean, Casey
Speaker 5: Anthony is available at your disposal. I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: just follow her and I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 5: how you do you DM on? Do you message on
Speaker 5: TikTok as well? I've never been on TikTok. I can't
Speaker 5: tell you if you could message somebody. I don't know
Speaker 5: nothing about it.
Speaker 1: Sliding sliding in Casey's DMS is fucking nuts, But if
Speaker 1: you need legal advice is not. Yep, you know what's
Speaker 1: kind of sick. There's definitely been a couple people that
Speaker 1: are probably fucked Casey Anthony after the case Like that's
Speaker 1: wild to me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, a lot of people probably don't even know
Speaker 6: who like that she's fucking probably don't even know who
Speaker 6: Casey Anthony is.
Speaker 1: Imagine meeting her at the bar and not knowing who
Speaker 1: she is, have a little quick one night, staying next morning,
Speaker 1: like I don't even catch your last name anything, don't
Speaker 1: google me. You get in the car and realize who
Speaker 1: you just fucked her because she doesn't have a Like
Speaker 1: if Casey Anthony walked in here right now, I don't.
Speaker 3: Think I would recommenc.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I don't think I would know that that's Casey Anthony,
Speaker 5: Like I don't remember her face like.
Speaker 1: That, Like I don't remember wanting to have sex with her,
Speaker 1: but I don't remember her. Yes, I don't think she
Speaker 1: would be one that i'd give the pass for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And she looks a lot different now is that the
Speaker 3: current video on the left?
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's older if she's like what ten fifteen years older?
Speaker 1: Yeah, a while ago. All right, Well, if you need
Speaker 1: some legal advice on TikTok, she's an influencer. She's an
Speaker 1: influencer on how to how the body and no beat
Speaker 1: the trial. I guess what is it with people that
Speaker 1: have like crazy high level murder cases that just won't
Speaker 1: like leave us alone, like oj because the moment he
Speaker 1: got out, he was he was on Twitter every goddamn day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the world is obsessed, well especially America is obsessed
Speaker 5: with murder and crime and things like that. Some of
Speaker 5: the biggest podcasts in the world murder podcast, Murder Mysteries,
Speaker 5: some of the best documentaries, murdered documentaries. People are have
Speaker 5: this obsession with who did it, Who done it? Where's
Speaker 5: the body? You know what I mean that type of thing.
Speaker 5: It's just because it's it's a story. I mean, it's
Speaker 5: a tragic story, but it is a story, and people
Speaker 5: want to get to the end and feel like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I knew that person did it, or damn that person
Speaker 5: didn't do it. So I think that's what people are
Speaker 5: obsessed with, just the story and the suspense of a murder.
Speaker 1: Are you on the side of the theory that OJ's
Speaker 1: son actually did it and OJ just you know, helped
Speaker 1: helped him clean up.
Speaker 3: I've heard that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I could see it happening and we just
Speaker 5: I just watched the what was the Gabby Patino Patito.
Speaker 5: I just watched that documentary in Clear's day and her
Speaker 5: and the guy's text messages. The mother was ready to
Speaker 5: help him get rid of hide the body. So we
Speaker 5: know that parents will go to extreme measures to protect
Speaker 5: their children, even if it means, you know, helping them
Speaker 5: hide the body that they, you know, a person that
Speaker 5: they just killed. So I can I can see that.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I ever subscribe to that theory.
Speaker 5: In the OJ case, I always felt like OJ didn't
Speaker 5: do it, but I did always feel like he knew
Speaker 5: who did it.
Speaker 1: I don't think I never felt like he did it,
Speaker 1: though I was always on the side that he did it.
Speaker 1: And then I watched one piece that was the theory
Speaker 1: about the sun, and I believe that one it made
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. So I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I could listen this.
Speaker 1: He either did it or no.
Speaker 5: So that's what I'm I'm with you in that. I'm no,
Speaker 5: I don't think he did it. I don't think OJ
Speaker 5: did it. I never felt like that, but I believe
Speaker 5: he knew. Obviously he's no longer with it, so he
Speaker 5: knew who did it.
Speaker 1: I just think it's crazy after you beat a murder
Speaker 1: case like that, you just get on Twitter every day
Speaker 1: and say ooh it's the juice baby, like we didn't
Speaker 1: remember that trial.
Speaker 3: People don't care. Man, he was he was.
Speaker 1: Giving like sports takes, rite.
Speaker 6: Your own history. You can't let the last thing that
Speaker 6: somebody say about you be something that you don't want
Speaker 6: to be remembered for. So you got to rewrite your
Speaker 6: own history.
Speaker 1: OJ did not rewrite it on it. His history is
Speaker 1: still his history. Remember that Twitter video now, I was like,
Speaker 1: remember that murder case.
Speaker 3: I remember you in the back of that bronco. Remember.
Speaker 6: But his personality and who he continued to be after
Speaker 6: that case now is why y'all can sit and laugh
Speaker 6: when you say his name instead of just remember him
Speaker 6: like a Casey Anthony because he has come out and
Speaker 6: he made a joke of it. He leaned into it,
Speaker 6: so it made it funny to other people.
Speaker 3: Which is crazy because somebody actually died.
Speaker 1: I mean I was two people does I wasn't even
Speaker 1: alive when OJ was playing. I'm aware just off stats
Speaker 1: that he was one of the greatest running backs, but
Speaker 1: I don't have my thoughts about OJ actually aren't really football.
Speaker 1: It's the case, yeah, absolutely, and he is like one
Speaker 1: of the greatest running backs ever, but I don't even
Speaker 1: think about football.
Speaker 3: I mean, Naked Gun is a classic, though I.
Speaker 1: Don't think I haven't seen that since I was a kid.
Speaker 3: Naked Gun. I remember classic series, classic movie series.
Speaker 6: So Rory, I looked up your question when you asked
Speaker 6: why are people so obsessed with like murder docks and
Speaker 6: things like that. One of them is the controlled fear,
Speaker 6: Like apparently we really like fear as humans. We like fear.
Speaker 6: We like having an adrenaline rush, but we're safe. So
Speaker 6: it's it's that that thrill, but we're safe from it.
Speaker 6: So it's like watch it's the same people white people
Speaker 6: slow down and watch car crashes, like the brain is
Speaker 6: naturally wired to want to investigate death in harm and fear,
Speaker 6: but at the same time stay stay from it. So
Speaker 6: as long as it's not happening to us, we like it.
Speaker 6: And then women, women are obsessed with the No, it's
Speaker 6: called the know your enemy effect, Like we're obsessed with
Speaker 6: the person, the danger that is to us, and how
Speaker 6: we can watch it from afar.
Speaker 5: That's why people pull their phones out when they see
Speaker 5: some wow shit happening, like to.
Speaker 1: Watch and instead of helping the situations, want to keep
Speaker 1: watching it. Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 3: Oh cooked in the brain.
Speaker 1: Are you guys caught up on Paradise?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Oh my god, I watched it. You watched it? I
Speaker 6: loved it. I was obsessed.
Speaker 1: What is Paradise the show on Hulu? What will be
Speaker 1: the best way you think to describe the show without
Speaker 1: giving away too much.
Speaker 6: It is a end of the world tale. Yeah, end
Speaker 6: of the world tales.
Speaker 1: Essentially everything blows up, but they the elites build like
Speaker 1: a society under a mountain to survive it.
Speaker 3: Yes, everything in the world blows up.
Speaker 6: Yes, a big catastrophe like they always are saying, is
Speaker 6: coming for us, like an end of the world Tale,
Speaker 6: but there's one of the bunker cities. There's a bunker
Speaker 6: city that's created. Okay, but the first episode, which I
Speaker 6: don't feel like this is giving it anything away because
Speaker 6: I feel like this would be in the description, the
Speaker 6: president of this bunker city is killed, and the first
Speaker 6: season goes through why what happened? How like it just
Speaker 6: keeps flashing back to how they got to where they are.
Speaker 1: It's really good, though, No, it's it's an incredible show.
Speaker 1: I'm in Paradise.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 6: It's headed by Sterling K. Brown, who was if you
Speaker 6: guys don't know him, that's Randall from This is Us,
Speaker 6: the Black Guy and This is Us. He's an amazing actor.
Speaker 1: He was also in The People Versus O J.
Speaker 3: Simpsons.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he played what's what's the other prosecutor? That
Speaker 1: was with Marshall Clark. No, Cochran's on the other side,
Speaker 1: Carl the guy with the glasses bullhead. Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: just represents somebody and then dropped the case uns killer, yes,
Speaker 1: which which we should revisit. That was fucking weird. Christopher Darden, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Christopher Darten. That was really really odd.
Speaker 5: Wasn't there another Darden that like killed like the police
Speaker 5: or something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Christopher Darden, say his name.
Speaker 3: Is Christopher Darton Okay, I knew that name sounds familiar.
Speaker 1: Or Donner Christopher Dorner Dorner Yeah, okay, Why Llo COOLJ
Speaker 1: has not made the limited serious about that? I do
Speaker 1: not know.
Speaker 5: They did resemble a little bit, Yeah, Llo would smoke
Speaker 5: that roll. Yeah, it's Ll the greatest rapper turn actor. No,
Speaker 5: probably Will, I mean, but Ellll is a better rapper,
Speaker 5: has better music, Yes, so that attribute is up, and
Speaker 5: Ella has.
Speaker 3: Great movies under his belt, great roles.
Speaker 1: Of the best in both categories.
Speaker 3: Yes, Will is obviously the better, but Will Hollywood.
Speaker 6: Will is a way better actor than Ll. COJ is
Speaker 6: a rapper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Llo cooj is a way better rapper than
Speaker 3: Will Smith.
Speaker 6: Yes, but Will's if you're gonna do even for even. Yes,
Speaker 6: one is good at one and one is better at
Speaker 6: the other. But Will is such an amazing actor that
Speaker 6: he will always be the best when it comes to
Speaker 6: those two categories, because he's a better actor than Ll
Speaker 6: is a rapper.
Speaker 1: Do we count Mark Wahlberg?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 1: Ddy was kind of nice?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, Mark Warburg is definitely in that conversation.
Speaker 1: I just I just was googling Queen Latifa is definitely
Speaker 1: has to be up there.
Speaker 3: The equalizer might be ruined in the corrido. That's just
Speaker 3: guys here. I love I love the queen.
Speaker 5: I love the queen, but she she could have passed
Speaker 5: on that role and that let Denzel be to equalize it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: Why is Andy Samberg on this list?
Speaker 3: Andy Samberg?
Speaker 1: He rapped.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that one dick in the box,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wrote the those funny like songs. I never
Speaker 1: considered him a rapper.
Speaker 3: Though, yeah, I'm yeah, we can get him off the list.
Speaker 6: Most people would try to say that it was Tupac.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Park might be number one.
Speaker 6: I don't think is number one.
Speaker 3: Number one.
Speaker 1: He has iconic.
Speaker 6: Gridlock really did it for That's what Gridlocked? It took
Speaker 6: you there, that that was the that was the.
Speaker 1: Pac And Jim Belushi is like, that's that's my north
Speaker 1: star of Gridlock?
Speaker 3: Did it for you?
Speaker 1: All right? Come on? Juice Poetic Justice both we could
Speaker 1: consider classic movies.
Speaker 5: Correct Juice and Poetic Justice. You get no debate from me?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: On top of Park's catalog, Yes, you can definitely debate
Speaker 1: Llo cool J verse Tupac in this category ll cool
Speaker 1: J versus Tupac. Yeah, because you can't debate will because
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it was the best ever.
Speaker 3: But you just said one.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying the one B the Llo cool J
Speaker 1: verse Pac. I think pok takes that I ain't deliver
Speaker 1: l movies Swat.
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, I don't like that great movie. I like
Speaker 3: great move. We're not doing that.
Speaker 5: I love Swat. I mean and too deep mm hmm
Speaker 5: classic to me as a.
Speaker 1: Class I'm trying to think cool Jay.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry. Deliver us from Eva as a Black classic.
Speaker 6: I don't know if y'all on that from Them Come
Speaker 6: is also a black classic?
Speaker 3: Deep Blue c I was scared back to this fair thing.
Speaker 1: I haven't been in the water.
Speaker 3: I haven't been on vacation since Deep Lucy came.
Speaker 1: Out and give it a Sunday. You already know how
Speaker 1: I feel about that movie.
Speaker 6: Damn Last Holiday with Queen Latifa. Damn you think that
Speaker 6: was gonna bar for bar When I might walk, I
Speaker 6: may walk back my table.
Speaker 1: He's got some classic fucking.
Speaker 3: And I mean, and uh, what was his sitcom name?
Speaker 3: Was it? In the House? In the House, I didn't
Speaker 3: watch that. You didn't watch in the house.
Speaker 6: Damn, I'm old iceed tea.
Speaker 3: Iceedy is definitely definitely on that list.
Speaker 1: I gotta put him up there.
Speaker 6: He was keeping the lights on that fucking long order.
Speaker 3: He's on that list.
Speaker 1: Oh, ship and ThReD three thousand. He doesn't have a
Speaker 1: lot of movies, but.
Speaker 5: I four Brothers Classic, I love I Love Idle wow
Speaker 5: d MX.
Speaker 1: Ice Cube up there for sure, Yeah, up there? How
Speaker 1: do we not even mention q?
Speaker 6: Ice Cube is probably the greatest wrap See, I think
Speaker 6: ice Cube is above Tupac. Yeah, ice Cube, yeah, pressure,
Speaker 6: he said, fuck the police.
Speaker 1: No. Ice Cube has an insane desography plus a bunch
Speaker 1: of classic movies classics. Yeah. Now, I think the debate
Speaker 1: would be ice c versus.
Speaker 6: Smith, ice Cub versus Will Smith.
Speaker 1: That's a tough one.
Speaker 3: Yeah. What was the ice Cube movie? When they was
Speaker 3: in the Whitehouse.
Speaker 5: And they got locked in, they was trying to find
Speaker 5: the uh, the hidden like the jewelry, like the gold
Speaker 5: and stuff that was in the all.
Speaker 1: About the measurements.
Speaker 6: Trespass.
Speaker 5: Trespass, y'all don't know nothing about trespass classic movie.
Speaker 1: How could we not bring up the game and Belly two.
Speaker 3: We're not doing that, please, we're not game.
Speaker 1: This game have a classic desography no, yes, music, yeah, absolutely, okay,
Speaker 1: but not film.
Speaker 5: Plus the classic movie Belly two is terrible. Well, I
Speaker 5: don't even talk about that movie. I don't know why they.
Speaker 6: What about though? We bring up what Aboutnas? You know
Speaker 6: what's crazy to say something bad? One of my favorite
Speaker 6: rappers not only did one movie though, right, thank godh nah,
Speaker 6: So you got Elevator above this madness R because that's
Speaker 6: one of your favorite movie.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's incredible, but it's one of the worst acted
Speaker 1: movies ever as well. That's the genius of Hey Williams.
Speaker 1: We talked about that incredible movie with awful, awful fucking actor.
Speaker 6: I don't know, but I think DMX. DMX is a
Speaker 6: good actor. That's an incredible death. Raid is a grave.
Speaker 6: No X is amazing.
Speaker 1: That's what made it even crazier because you have an
Speaker 1: incredible actor in every scene with some of the worst
Speaker 1: actors of all time. Like the difference in the range
Speaker 1: was hard to watch.
Speaker 5: Belly is the best worst movie ever. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 5: it's a cult classic without a doubt.
Speaker 1: But is TVAS and NAS the worst acted couple of
Speaker 1: all time.
Speaker 6: I mean, like, what the fuck? That was a spot on?
Speaker 5: Nah, I kind of believed that when she walked in
Speaker 5: the house and the niggas were sitting in the living room,
Speaker 5: I kind.
Speaker 3: Of was like, T boys got in her acting bag
Speaker 3: on that ship.
Speaker 6: For real.
Speaker 3: That was a good scene. We ain't gonna do T
Speaker 3: boars like that. That was a good scene. She looked.
Speaker 3: She did greater in that scene.
Speaker 1: She did great magic getting shot in the leg and
Speaker 1: just going home and being like Africa, we out give
Speaker 1: a fuck, Let's go to the hospital.
Speaker 3: Now, Nah, we out go straight to the airport.
Speaker 6: I think, yeah, it's just that that first opening scene
Speaker 6: really get people because it's the greatest opening scene of
Speaker 6: a movie of all time. And then some bullshit. It's
Speaker 6: some bullshit.
Speaker 3: Ice Cube might be it, though he might be the
Speaker 3: greatest rapper turned actor.
Speaker 6: I'm still gonna go well. I think Will Smith is
Speaker 6: a way better actor than ice Q.
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, could I rule Fast and Furious
Speaker 1: No Monica best line ever?
Speaker 6: Listen, bow Wow and Fast and Furious bow.
Speaker 1: Wow kind of smoke lottery ticket too.
Speaker 6: Bow Wow got a couple on him.
Speaker 3: Ludacris got some good films too, though.
Speaker 1: Oh, I ain't think it yet.
Speaker 6: Looted? Damn?
Speaker 1: Can we pull up bow Wowser filmography.
Speaker 3: Like Mike roll Bounce did it for you?
Speaker 1: I like Robounce?
Speaker 3: I do too.
Speaker 6: Lottery Ticket was good, Johnson's family vacation like Mike. Obviously,
Speaker 6: Madia's big happy family.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go Will Smith, Ice, Cube, Tupac, Queen, Latafa.
Speaker 1: I don't know who to put from my five. Maybe
Speaker 1: L's there. I think that's my top five.
Speaker 5: I'm not mad at that, as long as Cube and
Speaker 5: will Pop got classic movies, though, I gotta put Park there.
Speaker 1: Uh machine Gun, Kelly.
Speaker 5: Ll I said, Cube right, Cube, Will Uh method Man.
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna lie what he's doing with the Power series?
Speaker 1: Man, Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Good acting.
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: Does all of State property count?
Speaker 3: Don't put them all together?
Speaker 1: I mean they have classic movies. Yeah, put Hope in
Speaker 1: there too.
Speaker 3: He didn't even say nothing in else he was in
Speaker 3: the studio. He No, they got that one scene with
Speaker 3: with Dame in the car, like when.
Speaker 1: They robbed the same house.
Speaker 3: Yeah. But I feel I feel like Jay wasn't acting.
Speaker 6: I feel like I had talked to Bigs.
Speaker 5: I feel like that scene, no, I feel like he
Speaker 5: was like, I don't even want to be able. Fuck it, eye,
Speaker 5: I played myself.
Speaker 1: And I mean, streets Is watching that some terrible fucking acting.
Speaker 3: But that suspected he was young and just had a
Speaker 3: camera in the projects.
Speaker 1: Like, oh no, they smoked. It was an incredible movie,
Speaker 1: but at some of the worst actings.
Speaker 5: Streets Is watching is such a brilliant idea though, like
Speaker 5: she actually felt rapper to do that at that time.
Speaker 5: I don't think we still haven't seen another rapper do
Speaker 5: something like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we know Jays has been a shooter before,
Speaker 1: but well he was trying to back out in the project.
Speaker 1: Shooting was one of the funniest seas up the Switch Hands.
Speaker 1: Jay can't do anything athletic at all. He if that
Speaker 1: was a shootout, he was getting shot for sure, and
Speaker 1: at the worst fucking aim ever. All the fake shots
Speaker 1: going against the project, like who is shooting right?
Speaker 3: Spray this whole shit up.
Speaker 1: I feel like, that's that's crazy that Vaughn got to
Speaker 1: be in that and they didn't, you know, bring you
Speaker 1: in the mix. I know they did it in Marcie,
Speaker 1: but I felt like Vaughn's role should have went to you.
Speaker 1: I'm not from Marcie, Yeah, but I mean Damon Biggs
Speaker 1: pulled up like they could have brought you from Harlem.
Speaker 3: Nah, it was a Massie. That was a Massie movie.
Speaker 3: Made sense.
Speaker 1: Why was the internet killing our guy? JD saw yesterday?
Speaker 1: They was tearing them.
Speaker 3: Up, disrespectful to the legend.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess he was just asking a rhetorical question.
Speaker 1: Wasn't suggesting the otherwise.
Speaker 3: But he said, I'm a little lost. Well, he tweeted,
Speaker 3: I'm a little lost.
Speaker 5: Can somebody tell me what the goal of being an
Speaker 5: independent artist is today? Because all of the things that
Speaker 5: people are chasing is made is shit that major artists do.
Speaker 5: What's the thing that indie artists do that make it special?
Speaker 5: And I saw a Larussell chimed Dan and he said
Speaker 5: I think he said own the music. You know, if
Speaker 5: you know anything about Russell, makes sense that he was
Speaker 5: chiming on that. But I understand what Jad was saying.
Speaker 5: I think he was kind of saying, you know, you
Speaker 5: want to be independent, but then you want to, you know,
Speaker 5: do the things that major artists do. You want the
Speaker 5: things that major artists want. You want the lights, the glitch.
Speaker 3: The glamour. You don't want the grind.
Speaker 5: Don't want to You want to be on the same
Speaker 5: stage as a major artist when you're independent, and it
Speaker 5: takes a lot a lot more work when you're independent
Speaker 5: to kind of be on the same you know, field
Speaker 5: and the same level as a major artist and get
Speaker 5: the same looks that major artists get. So I think,
Speaker 5: you know, it was a rhetorical question that Jadi was asking,
Speaker 5: like how do you want to be Say you want
Speaker 5: to be independent, but you want to look like a
Speaker 5: major artist.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't get it because it's not like
Speaker 1: people say, I want to go be indie, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to be successful. Like the goal is to
Speaker 1: get your music to as many possible people that you
Speaker 1: can absolutely make money off it hopefully change change people's lives.
Speaker 1: I don't understand what major and independent even has to
Speaker 1: do with what the end goal for most artists is,
Speaker 1: which is to be a star and to get your
Speaker 1: music heard by as many people as you can at
Speaker 1: a price that makes you rich.
Speaker 5: Like again, I think it's subjective though, Like what what's
Speaker 5: the start as far as you're concerned as an artist
Speaker 5: to the specific artist.
Speaker 1: What is a star to you? What does a star
Speaker 1: look like a star? I don't know these stars that
Speaker 1: are independent. I know extremely successful artists, Like I watched
Speaker 1: Russ sell out Radio City and Barclay Center independently.
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Russ, I wouldn't say he's a superstar. He's he's definitely
Speaker 1: up there as far as popular popularity. But I don't
Speaker 1: know if I know any superstars that are independent.
Speaker 6: Sure is independent now now? Now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's you know, but.
Speaker 1: You hope is independent now?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Like it's you know. But again, Russ is a great example.
Speaker 5: Russ is somebody who you might not be. You know,
Speaker 5: you don't think about when you start talking about superstars.
Speaker 5: But if you go to a Russ show, yeah, and
Speaker 5: you see it, so the venues that he's able to
Speaker 5: sell out, that's superstar shit.
Speaker 1: But why would JD not understand that some artists just
Speaker 1: don't want their music owned in perpetuity forever. Like even
Speaker 1: the way he's seeing people sell their catalogs, Like, well,
Speaker 1: he's you can't sell your full catalog if you're not
Speaker 1: completely independent.
Speaker 5: But he's asking, but he's asking, what's the goal of
Speaker 5: being an independent artist today? Because all the things that
Speaker 5: people are chasing is what the major artists get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's just it's just a weird point because
Speaker 1: everyone is changing. That's the way it successful. Like it's
Speaker 1: very I just don't get it. It's a bad question.
Speaker 6: The way he asked the question doesn't even make sense,
Speaker 6: Like it's a bad question.
Speaker 5: Well, he did started with I'm a little lost, so
Speaker 5: let's let's start there. He did start with I'm a
Speaker 5: little lost, and then he said, can somebody tell me
Speaker 5: what the goal of being an independent artist is today?
Speaker 5: Because all of the things that people are chasing is
Speaker 5: the ship that major artists have. So what is the
Speaker 5: thing that independent artists do that make it special? Well,
Speaker 5: somebody I understand the question.
Speaker 6: Crooked I responded and said, freedom. And I'm not against
Speaker 6: majors as long as the deal has beneficial for everyone.
Speaker 6: But being India is the freedom to choose the what, when,
Speaker 6: where and how? And Jermaine de preresponded to Crooked I
Speaker 6: and said, so you're saying freedom is the perk? So
Speaker 6: I think JD is wondering what's the perk of being independent?
Speaker 6: But I feel like that's such an easy question to answer,
Speaker 6: even if that is what he's asking.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, the answer is pretty obviously, even
Speaker 1: like Ransom reply to own their masters, own their name
Speaker 1: and likeness, own their creative direction, own their freedom. We
Speaker 1: don't have to wait for someone to tell us when
Speaker 1: we can release a song, album, mixtape, tour, interview. We
Speaker 1: do what we want when we want. Yeah, and to me,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's pretty obvious.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I think JD is probably saying like it's like
Speaker 6: you're chasing When he says they're chasing the things that
Speaker 6: major artists have or get. I'm assuming they mean like
Speaker 6: Grammys or things like that. But it's like, yeah, it's
Speaker 6: going to be harder for me to get these things,
Speaker 6: but I'll keep more of my money in the long run. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I mean, obviously we know JD still hip hop legend,
Speaker 1: but a lot of JD's biggest stuff is been popping
Speaker 1: R and B, which is not typically ever an independent
Speaker 1: worlds at all. Like JD is very much used to
Speaker 1: that system because to create superstars you do need a
Speaker 1: major label to some degree, So that's probably I'm just
Speaker 1: sure JD has seen the benefits of what a major
Speaker 1: can actually do and provide for you because he's you know,
Speaker 1: so so deaf with universal and I'm so Sonya rather
Speaker 1: has helped a lot of his artists to become superstars.
Speaker 1: So maybe he just doesn't see the value in the
Speaker 1: indie thing because his goals are more on the superside,
Speaker 1: superstar side. I guess, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: See, I know what happened. He was in the studio.
Speaker 3: One of them conversations came about.
Speaker 1: JD's good good for this. At least once a month
Speaker 1: he does stir up the timeline with no.
Speaker 5: But I like it though, because obviously we're talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, one of the most legendary producers and that
Speaker 5: we have in our culture. So I like the fact
Speaker 5: that you know, this is to me, this is what
Speaker 5: social media is about, Like you know, somebody like Jermain
Speaker 5: Duprix who has accomplished all that he has in the
Speaker 5: music industry and entertainment industry, you know, just having you know,
Speaker 5: those conversations in the studio that I've been or that
Speaker 5: we've been privy enough to be around in real time
Speaker 5: and just go to social media with it and just
Speaker 5: pose the question where it reaches a bunch of different people,
Speaker 5: because it's like, Okay, if it's five of us in
Speaker 5: here having this conversation and we're all arguing and yelling,
Speaker 5: it's like, you know what, let me tweet this. Other
Speaker 5: artists that you know, someone who are independent will see this.
Speaker 5: They'll chime in and they'll you know, respond to it,
Speaker 5: which is what Ransom and Crook and obviously l Russell
Speaker 5: and others have done.
Speaker 3: So I like this. I like this type of.
Speaker 5: Question posing from an artist or you know, a producer
Speaker 5: such as Jamaine Depris.
Speaker 1: I can't think of an example right off the top
Speaker 1: of my head right now, but have you ever had
Speaker 1: like a convo with your friends or even like when
Speaker 1: we're off Mike in the studio having a great debate
Speaker 1: or make a great point like I should tweet this
Speaker 1: thinking like you really smoke something because in the room
Speaker 1: at that time it felt like you were winning. And
Speaker 1: then you know, Timeline, you don't sem to think otherwise.
Speaker 5: You don't know how many times I've had that situation
Speaker 5: and somebody said, yo, mal you got the most tweet
Speaker 5: it right now and ask and I'm like, hell no,
Speaker 5: because I know I know what reading it versus having
Speaker 5: somebody ask you, Yeah, like this question that Jamaine tweeted.
Speaker 5: I know if he actually you actually could hear him
Speaker 5: asking the question, the context is totally different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and give more points and more context to it.
Speaker 5: You only have so many Well, now you can tweet
Speaker 5: as much as you want, right, there's not a character
Speaker 5: limit on tweets anymore.
Speaker 3: No, I just see porns. I'm guessing there's no, no.
Speaker 6: There's character limits if you don't pay for Twitter.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay, gotcha, I deliver right to Elon's pockets.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can put it right in there. You head
Speaker 3: it to it.
Speaker 1: When I saw it, they like changed it to two
Speaker 1: eighty and then to unlimited. I thought I was gonna
Speaker 1: like be happy about that. I don't really go above
Speaker 1: one forty anyway. That was a good note.
Speaker 3: That's why I never paid for because I'm like, I
Speaker 3: don't tweet that much.
Speaker 6: It rory. Do you ever regret not being like regret
Speaker 6: being independent? No, not at all, because you are fully
Speaker 6: independent right completely.
Speaker 1: It's I will say, because compilation albums are very tough
Speaker 1: because everything is feature based, and getting features is tough,
Speaker 1: and you're waiting on other people's time. It would be
Speaker 1: way easier if I was on a major the resources
Speaker 1: of one money because you know, a lot of what
Speaker 1: I do, my project is based off personal relationships with
Speaker 1: people that are doing it to make the song. They're
Speaker 1: not looking for like a verse fee or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I could probably get some bigger features if I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I have a butt, do you need fifty K? Yeah?
Speaker 6: And not.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't believe the rumor that major labels
Speaker 1: can just hit a button and make your song go crazy.
Speaker 1: But they definitely you don't believe that. I think it's
Speaker 1: way more complicated and way more factors than just going
Speaker 1: this is a hit in your superstar because I'm universal,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: They have that's exactly how easy it is.
Speaker 1: Then why wouldn't they do it all the time? Because
Speaker 1: it was why is rare them?
Speaker 5: It would be way too is a superstar rare? Yes,
Speaker 5: I don't know why Why can't they just still? I
Speaker 5: still don't understand the Playboy Cardi thing.
Speaker 1: Still that But to me, that's not major label ship.
Speaker 1: That's him building a cult and core fan base that
Speaker 1: like that type of ship.
Speaker 6: Play will Cardi showed them niggas it is mobbing and
Speaker 6: he's agreement, and but.
Speaker 1: Otto built a crazy community and I don't think it
Speaker 1: was a major going what was the song? Just tell
Speaker 1: when you're asking the wrong person.
Speaker 3: But that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: I don't even know what the song like and point
Speaker 5: to me this is this is no knock to Cardi,
Speaker 5: But I'm just saying when you have it, because he's
Speaker 5: a superstar. As far as I'm concerned, I can't attach
Speaker 5: it to a like what was the record, what was
Speaker 5: the moment?
Speaker 3: What was the I just can't see it.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I think that kind of proves the
Speaker 1: point then, because we don't know what that major label
Speaker 1: button moment was. It was over time. He built that community.
Speaker 1: And if major labels could do that, why when Rihanna
Speaker 1: has clearly retired, they didn't go new Rihanna.
Speaker 3: Because Rihanna doesn't want to put out music she could know, why.
Speaker 1: Can't they just create an Rihanna? Then if they can
Speaker 1: just hit a button.
Speaker 5: I mean, I feel like Tyler's on the way.
Speaker 1: I now you disrespect rihal I like Tyler too, but
Speaker 1: let's not even put certain people in a sentence.
Speaker 3: You know you miss you miss what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying that I could the same package, the
Speaker 5: same way Rihanna came out, and people kind of were
Speaker 5: like a little hesitant on deciding, you know, if they
Speaker 5: liked her or not, because I remember that, I remember ponder, ponder,
Speaker 5: replaying all that I was did for that, I remember
Speaker 5: those moments. I'm just saying it got to a point
Speaker 5: that with Tyler's smashed with her water record smash, right,
Speaker 5: But I could see them kind of putting her through
Speaker 5: the same type of you know, that's kind of like
Speaker 5: she's a She's obviously a beautiful, a beautiful woman. I
Speaker 5: could see her at some point in time getting into
Speaker 5: the beauty space. Okay, the music the same type of
Speaker 5: you know, Caribbean, afrocentric, that type of vibe. I could
Speaker 5: see her than now them pushing her more into like
Speaker 5: real R and B lane at some point, Okay, I
Speaker 5: could see it. I'm sitting here with certain writers, R
Speaker 5: and B writers, producers getting her real R and B sound,
Speaker 5: getting her away from the African just afrobeats type of vibe,
Speaker 5: and I could see I could see that for Tyler.
Speaker 5: I could see the music industry absolutely pushing her through
Speaker 5: the same type of gauntlet that they did Ranne. At
Speaker 5: one point and shout out to Tyler because she's obviously
Speaker 5: talented and she's dope. But you can see it, like, Okay,
Speaker 5: I've seen this, seen this play before.
Speaker 1: I mean how that mean when she makes anti?
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you're talked about but how long? How long
Speaker 5: unto Rihanna's career did that happen?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: Later on?
Speaker 3: But exactly so it's the same thing.
Speaker 5: The point I'm making to you, give it time, let's
Speaker 5: watch it, but I can see it early, like, Okay,
Speaker 5: they're gonna sit Tyler with a real R and B producer,
Speaker 5: get her real R and B album project, and it's
Speaker 5: gonna Now she's into the R and B lane.
Speaker 3: I would dominate.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say R and B because R and B
Speaker 6: singers are not really successful these days. Like R and
Speaker 6: B is not the successful Rihanna wasn't even R and
Speaker 6: B Rihanna as a pop artist.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean yeah, but R and B pop
Speaker 5: pop is just popular, like we know R and B
Speaker 5: is pop music.
Speaker 1: I'm actually shocked this take is coming from you, because
Speaker 1: you are typically the person that has so much respect
Speaker 1: for actual like legends that you hate when we even compare,
Speaker 1: like the person.
Speaker 6: That hates Jello.
Speaker 1: When we say it's a good record to even compare
Speaker 1: to other legitimate artists, you rightfully so get upset. So
Speaker 1: that's why I think it's kind of nuts that you
Speaker 1: would put Tyler, even in a sentence off a hypothetical.
Speaker 3: No, but I'm you're you're making it too much.
Speaker 5: You'regging it a little bit because you're making it too
Speaker 5: much of a comparison thing. I'm not saying Tyler. I'm
Speaker 5: saying the same thing that they did for Rihanna. They
Speaker 5: started out with her roots, her sound, her culture. It
Speaker 5: was that heavy. It was Caribbean heavy with Rihanna at first.
Speaker 5: It then transitions into shit her with Neo. Let's get
Speaker 5: these records, get with the dream, get the umbrella and
Speaker 5: all of that. Let Jake put a verse on that,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like I could see them
Speaker 5: doing the same thing with Tyler milliare.
Speaker 1: Definitely invested in going to make sure she continues to
Speaker 1: be a very popular artist. But I just don't think
Speaker 1: it's just a label thing at that point. Like Water
Speaker 1: was successful, yes, because the majors did get behind it
Speaker 1: and you could not fucking escape that song. Water is
Speaker 1: also an incredible fucking song.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm not saying it's not.
Speaker 1: Yes, major labels know how to push the button on
Speaker 1: incredible records to get them in front of more eyes
Speaker 1: and ears. Like, let's not just say they hit a
Speaker 1: button on anything. It takes two to get to that
Speaker 1: superstar level. They'll put some bullshit out that'll just play
Speaker 1: on radio.
Speaker 5: You worked in it industry, You mean to tell me
Speaker 5: you don't think that is It's just a simple phone
Speaker 5: call for them to say, you know what, we're going
Speaker 5: to get her on the view with Whoopee, We're going
Speaker 5: to get her on this with her, We're going to
Speaker 5: put this artist on this show with that daytime TV.
Speaker 3: It's literally just phone calls.
Speaker 6: But that doesn't make you a superstars.
Speaker 1: I agree that the major system back to the superstar shit.
Speaker 1: You need a major to have those connections. Yes, with
Speaker 1: a major, you'll probably get on fallin easier, but that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean you're going to stay on if the music sucks.
Speaker 1: That's what makes superstars. Yes, they get buttons.
Speaker 6: Pushed again, but they delivered.
Speaker 5: But the button pushing is literally Yo, get her in
Speaker 5: the studio with Mike Dean, get her in the studio
Speaker 5: with this person, it's literally just the label making calls
Speaker 5: that they already have with people they already have relationships with,
Speaker 5: like this is the next superstar. Label, you can create
Speaker 5: the next superstar. You can absolutely push a button to
Speaker 5: say this is the next superstar.
Speaker 1: I agree, But what is the deciding factor that makes
Speaker 1: them a superstar and keep them in the game for
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years. It's their talent level as well. They
Speaker 1: have given plenty of artists an opportunity to be on
Speaker 1: Foulin and do a live performance on late night TV.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean they become superstars. Yes, the majors give you
Speaker 1: the opportunity. Yeah, but how much a lot of people
Speaker 1: don't deliver from.
Speaker 3: How much talent do you need today to be a superstar?
Speaker 6: Well, who are this super about to say? And we
Speaker 6: have a lot?
Speaker 1: Because isn't there isn't.
Speaker 6: No, you don't need a lot of this hand, don't
Speaker 6: need a lot this superstar title.
Speaker 5: You do not need a loperstar right now. I'm whoever
Speaker 5: you want to name is a superstar. I'm saying you
Speaker 5: today in twenty twenty five, to be a superstar in
Speaker 5: the music business, you do not need a lot of
Speaker 5: talent because a lot of superstars that we can name
Speaker 5: are not great vocalists. I'm not gonna put no names
Speaker 5: on it with y'all. They're not great vocalists Without all
Speaker 5: of the bells and whistles and tricks and shit on
Speaker 5: the mixing board, they do not sound that good. They
Speaker 5: cannot dance that good. So what are we talking about?
Speaker 5: Whilere you acting like it's so hard to make it?
Speaker 5: If a label decides this is the person we're investing in,
Speaker 5: and we're putting the house behind that person is going
Speaker 5: to be successful. We've seen it Tom and Tom again,
Speaker 5: and then we see people that are like them. She
Speaker 5: sings better than her, or he sings better. How is
Speaker 5: that he dances better than him, she dances better than her?
Speaker 5: How is she not a superstar?
Speaker 6: There's things that go into being so first of all,
Speaker 6: that's why I said, what's a superstar?
Speaker 5: A superstar somebody that just has that. It's a confidence thing,
Speaker 5: It's a it's a you elude this type of energy.
Speaker 3: Like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Why you may not be the greatest singer or greatest
Speaker 5: dancer when you walk in the room. It's something about
Speaker 5: you that people say I like this.
Speaker 1: That's definitely a factor. For sure. That's a talent and that,
Speaker 1: but it's a movie star. It's not the acting. I
Speaker 1: agree with you, that is definitely so it's the same
Speaker 1: thing in movies. It's the same thing you can't you
Speaker 1: can't name. I don't need to be able to hit
Speaker 1: that note.
Speaker 5: If I sing it to this mic and you do
Speaker 5: what you have to do behind that board, I hit
Speaker 5: that note by.
Speaker 3: The time you hear it.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying every superstar is Christina Aguilera when it
Speaker 1: comes to singing, but you cannot name me one superstar
Speaker 1: that is not extremely, extremely, extremely talented, not one.
Speaker 6: I think the only one that people will argue would
Speaker 6: be Rihanna. And that's not Shaye to Rihanna, because I
Speaker 6: absolutely love Rihanna. But it's been well known that people
Speaker 6: have doubted her vocals over the year, so that she
Speaker 6: wasn't a strong vocalist, said that she's not a strong dancer.
Speaker 6: Rihanna is just going a for aura. You can't out.
Speaker 6: She was born to be a store. She was born
Speaker 6: to be a star.
Speaker 1: And what did Rihanna do her entire career deliver incredible
Speaker 1: classic music Despite agree not being the best vocalist spirit
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lopez is not a good vocalist.
Speaker 5: What's the part of the superstar. What's the part of
Speaker 5: delivering those those records? What's a major part of delivering.
Speaker 6: Those records is the people writing them and producing them.
Speaker 6: I mean, he's not lying about that.
Speaker 3: Why are you acting like this right now?
Speaker 1: You make music, bro, the amount of references with Rihanna records,
Speaker 1: I've heard and we know.
Speaker 5: People that I don't want to delivered this better. I
Speaker 5: don't want it more of a wait wait, wait, I
Speaker 5: do not want to make this a Rihanna thing. I'm
Speaker 5: not trying to make the surrianite. I'm talking in general.
Speaker 5: Why are you acting like you can't just take this person,
Speaker 5: this artist, and once you put them in a room
Speaker 5: ry Right now, if you put me in the room
Speaker 5: with Dream and whatever fucking other producer you want to
Speaker 5: put me in a room with, I could make a
Speaker 5: fucking hit record.
Speaker 1: Moll, I guarantee you there are thousands and thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands of songs that labels sent to the Dream that
Speaker 1: did not work out.
Speaker 5: Of course, I'm not saying it's not I'm just saying
Speaker 5: when it label decides that they have this person, like, damn,
Speaker 5: this person right here, this is the next.
Speaker 1: So why don't they do that? Why is Tanashi not
Speaker 1: a star?
Speaker 6: Why they tried very hard and everything.
Speaker 1: World for her, every opportunity, And I do think she's talented,
Speaker 1: not the best vocalist all the time either does kind
Speaker 1: of have an hit factor?
Speaker 6: Why why didn't that work out? Why didn't read the
Speaker 6: oral workout? It's not foolproof, Like I get what Maul
Speaker 6: is saying, like it does help, but you have to
Speaker 6: be that girl. If you not or that boy, if
Speaker 6: you not that, then there's no button in the world
Speaker 6: they can press that will give you. You might have
Speaker 6: one hit, but it's not gonna give you longevity. Like
Speaker 6: it's just not gonna happen. You can't fake that, especially
Speaker 6: for too long. You can't fake it for too long.
Speaker 6: The reader or is a perfect example because they put
Speaker 6: the fucking house behind.
Speaker 1: Her, and that is what separates it. Anyone can get
Speaker 1: the opportunities from the majors. They themselves are what keeps
Speaker 1: them on. Yes, of course there's help, there's right as
Speaker 1: a producers. But so there's plenty of people that get
Speaker 1: those shots and put out bullshit. Plenty of people have
Speaker 1: worked with Dream, have had Timberland Beats, had every fucking
Speaker 1: publication look that you could get, and did not make
Speaker 1: it because they weren't a superstar. Like I won't say
Speaker 1: dogect superstar, but she's a star.
Speaker 3: Y'all.
Speaker 6: Just hold on wait, y'all just called Playboy Cardi a
Speaker 6: superstar if you can call it Playboy Cardi a superstar.
Speaker 6: Called Playboy Cardios, y'all did? That was how this whole
Speaker 6: entire conversation came.
Speaker 1: About star thing. But I think Playboy Cardi is a superstar.
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 6: I think that that that's super one that said that different.
Speaker 6: He has a literal coach. That's not when I think
Speaker 6: super can You can't.
Speaker 3: Have a coat following and not be a superstar.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is a superstar. Beyonce is a superstar. Justin
Speaker 1: Bieber is a superstar. Think that guy is a superstar.
Speaker 6: Beyonce is a mega star. Is a little bit different, Beyonce,
Speaker 6: Michael Jackson, you and entering into mega I think Usher
Speaker 6: Usher is a superstar. Yeah, I don't think Playboy cart
Speaker 6: is a superstar. Usher is a superstar. Rihanna is a superstar.
Speaker 6: Bruno Mars superstar, Playboy Carti is not a superstar. He's
Speaker 6: a star, but he's not a superstar. I think there's
Speaker 6: a little bit of a difference.
Speaker 1: And so back to the Dojakat thing.
Speaker 5: If Playboy CARDI tweet right now that he's a Union
Speaker 5: Square Park, it's gonna be pandemonium on Fourteenth Street.
Speaker 1: What all right? What if Ariana Grande tweeted that they
Speaker 1: got a city down superstar.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the same ship would have with Playboy Superstar.
Speaker 6: If Playboy CARDI tweets I'm in Union Square Park right
Speaker 6: now playing my album, it's going to be pandemonium uptown.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 6: He's a very popular I.
Speaker 5: Don't say popular, he's a superstar. Bro, we're not doing
Speaker 5: that he's in I don't understand it. I'm gonna be
Speaker 5: the first to tell you. Maybe it's outside of what
Speaker 5: I'm my algorithm. I don't understand it.
Speaker 3: But I recognize a superstar when I see one. Playboy
Speaker 3: Card is a superstar.
Speaker 1: He's a list in hip hop.
Speaker 3: That's not however you want to.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's playable pretty much.
Speaker 5: Cut you want to put on that dope, Rory, do
Speaker 5: what you gotta do. Playboy Card is a superstar.
Speaker 1: What's the biggest venue that he's gonna sell out?
Speaker 6: Oh, don't do that because Playboy Card.
Speaker 1: I'm not taking anything Cardi. I'm aware of how poper
Speaker 1: I believe you could sell out the Garden. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be shocked if he sold out the Garden.
Speaker 3: But that's a superstar.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a star.
Speaker 6: Bro.
Speaker 1: You when he sells out MetLife, then talk.
Speaker 6: To me, Well he has two shows.
Speaker 1: Nah if I Met Life like that's insane. There's a
Speaker 1: handful of people that could do. Travis Scott is a superstar. Yes, star,
Speaker 1: he sold our Met Life. He's a star.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 6: You tripping? What ain't talking about? Nobody gonna fuck you?
Speaker 6: Squabble up that nigga. Playboy Carti is a superstar. Bro,
Speaker 6: I'll fight you one on one. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 6: I don't need no help. Playboy Catti is a superstar. How
Speaker 6: you take that far?
Speaker 1: I don't need help.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying that's like that.
Speaker 6: I'll take the I'll take.
Speaker 3: The one on one. Playboy Card is a superstar.
Speaker 1: If this podcast breaks up because of Playboy Cardian.
Speaker 5: No, I'm just saying, Playboy Carti to me is a superstar.
Speaker 5: I think if you have a coat following the side
Speaker 5: that he has, bro, that's superstar.
Speaker 3: Shit, Bro, that's not easy about star.
Speaker 6: I think of talent, So I won't agree with you
Speaker 6: on that because I think that talent is a factor
Speaker 6: no matter how popular you are. I think it ordered
Speaker 6: to be a superstar, you have to have the company
Speaker 6: and talent to back it up.
Speaker 1: Which which one of these does not belong Taylor Swift, Beyonce.
Speaker 6: Joe, Taylor Swift is a megastar, Leeve, g.
Speaker 1: GA, Madonna, Rihanna, Ari, you on Grande? Playboy CARDI which one?
Speaker 1: Which one is not belonged?
Speaker 5: Because I don't even like your tone in the way
Speaker 5: you drop your tone when you said his name and
Speaker 5: all of that.
Speaker 3: Don't do that.
Speaker 5: Because I think that all of those artists that you
Speaker 5: just named, I think they'll do They'll do a song
Speaker 5: with Playboy Cardy. I think he can get a feature
Speaker 5: with all of them. I Spike's got a record with
Speaker 5: Taylor Swift, We're not doing that. Playboy card could get
Speaker 5: a record with Taylor Swift, We're not doing that.
Speaker 1: Well, he he just got a song win a superstar
Speaker 1: the weekend exactly.
Speaker 6: He's on tour with the weekend Actually the weekend superstar
Speaker 6: is a superstar. Yeah, playboy card is right there.
Speaker 1: You've never seen a tour with two superstars except for
Speaker 1: jay Z and Beyonce. And I don't even know if
Speaker 1: jay Z would be consider a superstar.
Speaker 6: We're not doing that another one that was a superstar tour.
Speaker 3: Jay Z is a superstar. We're not doing that. We're
Speaker 3: not doing that. Jay Z is a superstar, y you
Speaker 3: cat in.
Speaker 6: I mean, we don't need to, we don't need topics. Stop,
Speaker 6: just stopper.
Speaker 3: Jay Z is not a superstar. Just stop, yo, what's up?
Speaker 6: Star? No, Jalen Brunton is a star. Jay Z is
Speaker 6: a He's a mega star. In my world, jay Z
Speaker 6: is a fucking superstar. We are you talking about star?
Speaker 6: Are you crazy?
Speaker 1: I just reserved that for people that I named.
Speaker 6: He started a billionaire walk like he walks with billionaires
Speaker 6: in the morning just to get his steps in.
Speaker 3: That's superstar shit are you talking?
Speaker 1: No, that's a that's a superstar business man.
Speaker 6: What however, you.
Speaker 3: Want to again put as much cut on the dope
Speaker 3: as you want, jay Z.
Speaker 1: You know I'm a whole avenger that I would say
Speaker 1: that Michael Jackson and jay Z should be in the
Speaker 1: same sentence. But if somebody was being objective and put
Speaker 1: up the stats of both of those people, they do
Speaker 1: not belong in the same sentence.
Speaker 6: But do you keep saying, Michael Jackson ain't no superstar,
Speaker 6: fucking god, like that's what I'm saying, Like you care
Speaker 6: about Michael Jackson, Taylor Swift, Beyonce are not superstars there
Speaker 6: they are surpassed that. That's what that's why they bring.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's where our disconnecting this conversation is done. If
Speaker 1: going off the definitions you guys are saying, then yes,
Speaker 1: jay Z's is a superstar. If we're having the level
Speaker 1: of megastar in this mix, jay Z is a superstar.
Speaker 1: Cardi is still just a star even if we're adding
Speaker 1: megastars in this mix.
Speaker 6: Yeah I don't. Yeah, I'm not really going with that.
Speaker 6: But again, I'm using an old school definition. So but
Speaker 6: I think this is our a list conversation all over again,
Speaker 6: and I think that we just all.
Speaker 1: Well, I didn't want to get back to the point
Speaker 1: of if labels can just do that, why don't they
Speaker 1: do it more? That was my original point too.
Speaker 5: Yes, well again because everybody doesn't have that thing about them.
Speaker 5: They don't have that air about them, they don't have
Speaker 5: that presence, they don't have that you know, that thing.
Speaker 5: Sometimes they try it with certain people and it just
Speaker 5: doesn't work. But again when you have certain people, sometimes
Speaker 5: they get it right. And I just think that, you know,
Speaker 5: we got to start just acknowledging, like, yeah, no, definitely
Speaker 5: they push the buttons on that artist to make it
Speaker 5: a little Artists are talented artists, you know has that thing.
Speaker 5: But the labels definitely do a thing where they're like, yo, listen,
Speaker 5: we're going to pull out all the stops for this person.
Speaker 6: But it's usually because that person absolutely do that.
Speaker 3: But it's because that person, again, we have that thing.
Speaker 6: So then so then the deciding factor is not the labels,
Speaker 6: because again the labels try it with some people and
Speaker 6: it doesn't work. Then this deciding factor is that artist,
Speaker 6: which goes back to the labels. Cannot just push a
Speaker 6: button and make an artist a star. This the artist
Speaker 6: has to have star quality already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we are actually kind of all agreeing
Speaker 1: with each other in a weird argumentative way. No, I
Speaker 1: don't call that, but even like I will say Eminem
Speaker 1: would probably not be a superstar if he did not
Speaker 1: have Jimmy Iveen, Interscope, doctor Dre. He would still be
Speaker 1: an extremely talented, talented rapper, one of the greatest people
Speaker 1: to pick up a pen. But yes, the majors made
Speaker 1: him a superstar, but that came with his talent as well.
Speaker 1: I think there is deciding factors where people wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been superstars if they didn't have a major, but they
Speaker 1: still would be talented.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's a lot of people that are talented.
Speaker 5: Talent is something that a lot of people, you know,
Speaker 5: in music or film and things like that, that they have.
Speaker 3: But again, sometimes talent is just not enough.
Speaker 5: I know a lot of talented people and I'm like, damn,
Speaker 5: why are you not You way more talented than this person.
Speaker 3: Why your shit ain't And there's other things.
Speaker 5: Work ethic, you know, things like that, that factor, and
Speaker 5: you know, little attributes that.
Speaker 3: You need as well.
Speaker 5: When you're talking about superstar shit, you have to be
Speaker 5: you know, you have to go literally, you know, blackout
Speaker 5: into what your art, your craft, lose friendships, not speak
Speaker 5: to your family. You got to be willing to go
Speaker 5: down those type of holes to just become who you
Speaker 5: want to become, and some people are not willing to
Speaker 5: do that. But more times than none, if.
Speaker 3: A person has that air, that quality about them and
Speaker 3: they have just a little talent, labels will push a
Speaker 3: button to magnify that little talent that that person has
Speaker 3: because they believe this person is a star. Why they
Speaker 3: might not be as talented as they may not be
Speaker 3: able to sing like Whitney.
Speaker 1: But and to me, outside of Rihanna's taste level, her quality,
Speaker 1: to me, her real, real raw talent is hard work because,
Speaker 1: as were saying, when she first came out, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like obvious that she was gonna be the next one.
Speaker 1: She worked her fucking ass off to even get to
Speaker 1: that point where her vocals weren't the best but could
Speaker 1: make number one records. Like I went to early Rihanna
Speaker 1: show and then I went to the was unapologetic to her.
Speaker 1: The difference in her performances was insane. There's no way
Speaker 1: you do that and improve like that if you're not
Speaker 1: one of the hardest working people.
Speaker 5: I mean, we yeah, that's part of it, but again,
Speaker 5: you know, we've seen what Cassie looked like early and
Speaker 5: we thought it was going to be something we thought,
Speaker 5: I mean, we.
Speaker 3: Thought she was on her way.
Speaker 5: What Ryan Leslie was doing with her, the music that
Speaker 5: they were creating, undeniable records.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Me and You was there another undeniable Castie record.
Speaker 1: Me and You was a class.
Speaker 6: I missed your girl, I miss you girl. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: make you my official girl and long long way Togo,
Speaker 6: but official girl with Lil Wayne. She had some for sure.
Speaker 6: I think at one point Tierra Marie might have had
Speaker 6: a bigger record than Rihanna.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So this is what I'm saying. So you know
Speaker 1: she was a priority at before. This is when I'm
Speaker 1: playing they were there at the same time. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: kream where I stopped. Look at the difference in that,
Speaker 1: you can't Rihanna's undeniable with her hard work, and even
Speaker 1: if she wasn't.
Speaker 5: Understand it for sure she did that. I ain't mean
Speaker 5: a scream at you. I don't know if, but I
Speaker 5: ain't mean to do that to you.
Speaker 6: I mean, but to Ma's point, Tiera Marie might to
Speaker 6: Tierra Marie might be on that side of it's not
Speaker 6: about how work. They came and saw this, this light
Speaker 6: skinned girl, and they pushed the button on her and
Speaker 6: I was left in the dust even though I had
Speaker 6: the talent.
Speaker 1: Listen, So I'm not saying that you can't push the
Speaker 1: button and have your moment. A label can create a
Speaker 1: moment an artist once not fucking deserve it all. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that, but you see, when they're not talented
Speaker 1: or have that edge factor, it was just a momently
Speaker 1: because they pushed that button. Of course, Tia Marie, she
Speaker 1: was like, what's seventeen eighteen? Like, I don't want to
Speaker 1: like say this if she did write the record, but
Speaker 1: I'm assuming like she was given that record. They put
Speaker 1: a crazy budget behind the video of course, serviced one
Speaker 1: or six of Park Trol put jay Z in the
Speaker 1: fucking video. Like yeah, those were button pushing shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you see that that's not the only thing that
Speaker 1: can keep someone around. But also, to her credit, label
Speaker 1: politics fucked her shit up as well. It wasn't I
Speaker 1: don't want to say, like, yo, she didn't work hard
Speaker 1: and that's why she didn't make it. A lot of
Speaker 1: funck shit was happening. Timing is a huge thing too. Timing,
Speaker 1: luck and politics also are factors and all that.
Speaker 5: You know, it's other things that play into being you know,
Speaker 5: getting to that superstar level, but you know, the label
Speaker 5: recognizing that, you know, we have something here.
Speaker 3: Let's kind of like amplify this. Let's kind of like
Speaker 3: put the nitrous oxide in the front. Like I think
Speaker 3: it works.
Speaker 1: I think a Mill had some of the worst timing ever.
Speaker 1: Like I feel for her. I think she was on
Speaker 1: her way, but what was going on at Rock of
Speaker 1: Fell around the time she was starting to have her
Speaker 1: moment moment was fucked up. Yeah, so even though she
Speaker 1: was super talented, no buttons could be pushed at that time,
Speaker 1: and everything broke off and she was, you know, only
Speaker 1: relying on them to put the music out. So timing
Speaker 1: is a huge thing as well.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, timing is everything.
Speaker 1: But with that said, Playbook Cardi is nice.
Speaker 3: He tripped. I can't wait.
Speaker 5: I can't wait for play with Cardi to announce a
Speaker 5: surprise show and then you just see exactly how Yeah
Speaker 5: it'll be nuts and then he won't show up. That's
Speaker 5: superstar shit. Only the superstars could do that. That's reserved
Speaker 5: for the superstars. I got a show and I won't
Speaker 5: be there and it's still sold out. Yeah, superstar shit.
Speaker 1: Outside of like money, legacy and all that I do
Speaker 1: envy that I can't do superstars. She like when Mariah Carey,
Speaker 1: the rumors would be like she needs like a hundred
Speaker 1: puppies on her rider in the green room, like only
Speaker 1: yellow Eminem's.
Speaker 3: And shit, yeah superstar shit.
Speaker 1: Like I kind of wish I could get some of
Speaker 1: that shit because I feel like I'd get really really
Speaker 1: creative if I had the juice where somebody like, well,
Speaker 1: we have to get your hundred puppies.
Speaker 3: Exactly, superstars that have.
Speaker 6: To get hundred puppies reserve for select few.
Speaker 1: I forgot what artist it was that kind of explained
Speaker 1: insane riders. That did make sense because there was always
Speaker 1: articles about like artists is being super divas and like
Speaker 1: look how weird these people are what they make venues
Speaker 1: go through. He said, yeah, I only put yellow Eminem's
Speaker 1: on my rider because when I walk in the green room,
Speaker 1: if they did that, I know everything else is covered. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: they put little weird detail ship and that would be
Speaker 1: the same fact that they cover. But they did that,
Speaker 1: then the ship I really need, like the right water
Speaker 1: where like they did it. Then it's just to force
Speaker 1: people to pay attention to details, which makes sense.
Speaker 3: I understand that. I could definitely understand that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but my bad.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I gave the little animated you
Speaker 5: look excited and you know, my guy, my friend, I
Speaker 5: don't want to listen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say I forgive you on Mike and then
Speaker 1: hold in my actual resentments and just be passive aggressive.
Speaker 1: But talk to my therapist about it and not ever
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 5: No, but do you think that because it is it
Speaker 5: is healthy for I think friends to debate and argunion.
Speaker 1: Of course I don't know. I never take that ship.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I know that. But have you ever
Speaker 5: like physically fought one of your friends?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And are y'all still friends?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: We're friends since like real friends.
Speaker 3: But when did y'all fight?
Speaker 1: I was about saying it was in high school, like
Speaker 1: when I was okay, yeah, I'm talking about it was.
Speaker 1: It was over a fucking bed at a sleepover. We scratched,
Speaker 1: like we That was like the first time I really
Speaker 1: felt like like sore as fuck after a fight the
Speaker 1: next day was a lot to.
Speaker 6: JOA was probably fighting for mad long too, just dumb.
Speaker 5: I don't think you could ever really well as teenagers. Yes,
Speaker 5: I can understand, but as an adult, do you think
Speaker 5: that you could fight, like physically fight a friend and
Speaker 5: go back to being friends.
Speaker 1: Not not as an adult.
Speaker 3: I don't think I don't. As an adult, I don't
Speaker 3: think so.
Speaker 1: I think high school younger, like that is kind of
Speaker 1: part of growing up, like you definitely fight with the
Speaker 1: people in your neighborhood that are your friends, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know, just growing up with kid emotions that that
Speaker 1: can happen, and as long as you know there's no
Speaker 1: grinding shit, you can move on and just be friends.
Speaker 1: As an adult, though, I think that's kind of weird, yah,
Speaker 1: because I feel like if I even think adults should
Speaker 1: really fight like that, if it's not a legitimate fucking reason,
Speaker 1: so let alone with a friend, Like I'm not fighting
Speaker 1: my now, yeah, thirty four years old, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to do no.
Speaker 5: I just think that you know, younger, you don't understand.
Speaker 5: We don't well, we didn't understand how to express certain
Speaker 5: emotions and certain things we was feeling, you know, as
Speaker 5: young males. But as a grown man, I think if
Speaker 5: you get into like you go to blows with like
Speaker 5: one of your.
Speaker 3: Friends, I don't think that y'all are real friends.
Speaker 5: I think that there's something that one of y'all would
Speaker 5: kind of like harboring and it just came to a head.
Speaker 5: And sure, because I've been down that road, Like you
Speaker 5: have like little debates with a friend and they'll say
Speaker 5: something and you'd be like, I just need a reason,
Speaker 5: like you just holding like you tell when they was
Speaker 5: holding that, Like, Yo, you've been waiting to get that off?
Speaker 3: Because what we're.
Speaker 6: Talking about right like Playboy cart Yeah? Yeah, Like because
Speaker 6: what we are Playboy KARTI ain't gonna bring that emotion
Speaker 6: out of you, like you ain't gonna tell me like yeah,
Speaker 6: and I ain't like what you just like wait, what
Speaker 6: was this party?
Speaker 2: Shit?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: But like nah, as grown men, I don't think that
Speaker 5: you could come into like a physical blows with your
Speaker 5: friend and it'd be like, nah, were back homes.
Speaker 1: I just don't like when I've seen a new feeling
Speaker 1: for me. Though, I will say I never fought any
Speaker 1: of my friends in my twenties or the early thirties
Speaker 1: and anything, but I would probably if you asked me
Speaker 1: that question a couple of years ago, I would say, yes,
Speaker 1: it would have to be a legitimate, real reason to fight.
Speaker 1: And I think you guys can go back to being
Speaker 1: friends at thirty four going on thirty five. No, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine.
Speaker 1: I'm not having an altercation physically with my friends.
Speaker 5: A friend of mine called me out for a fight
Speaker 5: one time. Well he didn't call me out, but it
Speaker 5: it almost came to like we almost came to blows.
Speaker 3: But I knew.
Speaker 5: I knew what it was because we had conversation like
Speaker 5: a couple of weeks before, and I knew what he
Speaker 5: was dealing with and going through. So in that moment
Speaker 5: where he was like it seemed like he wanted to fight.
Speaker 5: If you were there, I looked like I got pumped
Speaker 5: because I was.
Speaker 3: Like, yo, you know what, you got it? But I
Speaker 3: knew why he was.
Speaker 5: You know, those emotions was there because we had had
Speaker 5: like a real talk. He was going through some things,
Speaker 5: you know, financially, he wasn't in the greatest space. So
Speaker 5: it got a little but I recognized it, and I
Speaker 5: was like, you got it, bro, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: And that's my you know, that's like a friend. But
Speaker 5: I knew in that moment if I responded with aggression,
Speaker 5: we would have came to blows and it would have
Speaker 5: been whacked because I know what he was really going
Speaker 5: through at the time, and that energy wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: No, of course, of course it wouldn't be in that regard.
Speaker 1: You just have to learn how to carry your emotions
Speaker 1: because fighting you wouldn't get him out of that financials
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: No, there was no grandpa at the end of the fight.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I mean unless he like robbed you for your debit
Speaker 1: card and ran right to the ATM before you could
Speaker 1: cancel it. That's the tree after he beat you up live.
Speaker 3: Maybe that's different.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 5: JD is calling me, Yo, my brother, j D. How
Speaker 5: you feeling what's happening?
Speaker 3: I'm good, bro.
Speaker 5: So we was just in there talking and your tweet,
Speaker 5: you know, came up that you tweeted out last night,
Speaker 5: and me and Rory were talking. I said, I know
Speaker 5: JD was probably in the studio having one of them
Speaker 5: conversations and just wanted to get the feeling, the vibe
Speaker 5: of the outside world and see what they were they
Speaker 5: were feeling.
Speaker 4: But uh so.
Speaker 5: About the tweet, how did that? How did that come about?
Speaker 5: What was you in in the studio talking about? Because
Speaker 5: I know that's where he was at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was in the studio actually by myself though
Speaker 2: I was actually I saw something that said Instagram had
Speaker 2: they made a new function. That is the guy the
Speaker 2: commercial said it could be the greatest thing.
Speaker 4: For independent artists.
Speaker 2: And at that at that second, I'm like, okay, So
Speaker 2: he left out major artists, he said independent artists only.
Speaker 2: So then I'm like, okay, so let me So I'm
Speaker 2: checking it out and looking and see what it is.
Speaker 2: And it says that you know, you could play independent
Speaker 2: artists could play their new music for their fans for
Speaker 2: thirty seconds in the DM and it helps the algorithm
Speaker 2: at Spotify, right. So so I mean at that point
Speaker 2: I'm just like okay, cool. So then I just want to,
Speaker 2: like I said, I this is just made me ask
Speaker 2: like what is the special thing.
Speaker 4: About being independent? Like the special thing? Right? And I
Speaker 4: was just.
Speaker 2: Reading right now waiting on you to call me that
Speaker 2: you can go this way. That that Steve Stout wrote ownership, control,
Speaker 2: freedom of all all the things that have been taken
Speaker 2: from artists since the beginning of time.
Speaker 3: I mean that that was his response. That was his
Speaker 3: response to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's his response that from artists. That's the answer.
Speaker 4: That's the answer.
Speaker 2: I just was saying, like, you know, and in anything
Speaker 2: that we do, it's a special it's a special thing
Speaker 2: or reason why you want to go to the NBA.
Speaker 4: If you're in college, it's.
Speaker 2: A special reason that you want to go to the NFL.
Speaker 2: If you play Pop Warner, it's a special reason that
Speaker 2: you go to Paris for.
Speaker 4: Fashion Week.
Speaker 2: It's a special reason, right, I just wanted to I
Speaker 2: was asking what is a special reason.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy that people got so mad about the question,
Speaker 2: because yeah, but I'm saying, when people get mad, it starts.
Speaker 4: It lets me know that there's.
Speaker 2: Something else going on because you can't.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 2: You can ask me a question.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna get.
Speaker 2: Mad like you asked me any question you want to
Speaker 2: ask me. I'm not gonna get mad and start saying
Speaker 2: crazy shit to you, like.
Speaker 4: Well, because well you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do I don't have a reason to
Speaker 2: do that. And it's it's like and ultimately, like I said,
Speaker 2: I wasn't picking at nobody.
Speaker 4: That's independent. If that's what you do, that's cool.
Speaker 2: But I'm also saying, if I was a person that
Speaker 2: just was coming a bud, coming into the world, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I want to I want to go independent.
Speaker 2: And I ask somebody, what's the special what's what's special.
Speaker 4: About me being if I go independent?
Speaker 2: And you told me ownership, control and freedom, I'm I'm,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna be left with looking for something. I
Speaker 2: maybe I'm maybe I'm maybe my goals are too high,
Speaker 2: but that that doesn't give me enough because I know
Speaker 2: people who are going to masters, they get their ownership myself.
Speaker 2: I know people who's going to to to to the
Speaker 2: to the to the majors, and they get control myself.
Speaker 2: I know people that's going to majors and they get
Speaker 2: the freedom to put out whatever.
Speaker 4: They want myself, right.
Speaker 2: And and I've seen other people do this, right. I
Speaker 2: have seen it where these labels hire people who get in.
Speaker 4: The way, right, and they get in a way.
Speaker 2: Of people like myself, and then it's a problem. But
Speaker 2: it's all business, right, It's all business, and it's all
Speaker 2: that's the part that I'm trying to make sure people
Speaker 2: and a younger generation of people understand.
Speaker 4: It's all business.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: And you say better contracts.
Speaker 2: I don't, that's not that's not a specialty of going independent,
Speaker 2: because better contracts is based on your business mindset, the
Speaker 2: lawyer that you have, and how you create a deal.
Speaker 4: It's all about you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like Magic Johnson was offered stocking to Nike and he
Speaker 2: didn't take it.
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan did deal.
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan's mother made the Nike deal.
Speaker 4: And Michael Jordan's a billionaire.
Speaker 2: Right, It's all about business. It's not and even in sports,
Speaker 2: right when you look at sports and you look at fashion, right,
Speaker 2: I looking at for real?
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Pharell became the creative director of Louis Vuitton. That's a
Speaker 2: company that he doesn't own. He works there now he's
Speaker 2: a creative director. He has a deal with mo Ed,
Speaker 2: he has to deal with Tiffany. Why ain't nobody saying
Speaker 2: why ain't for real creating his own clothing and doing
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. It's interesting to me that
Speaker 2: only in the music business we have this mentality, and
Speaker 2: every other.
Speaker 4: Business in the world is the same. It's just business.
Speaker 2: So that's all I was asking. I would I wasn't
Speaker 2: really trying to what did y'all think when y'all ready.
Speaker 5: Well I said, I started with well JD did say,
Speaker 5: I'm a little lost. So I started with that. I said,
Speaker 5: I think that people read that the you know, they
Speaker 5: read it out of context. I thought that if you,
Speaker 5: if they if you posted a video asking it, I
Speaker 5: think people would have understood the context.
Speaker 2: I went. I did. I went to that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: that's what the Steve Stout coming is on my on
Speaker 2: my Instagram page. So I posted I went live because
Speaker 2: somebody on there said, JD you tripping and I said, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go live so you can tell me why
Speaker 2: I'm tripping, because all I did was ask a question.
Speaker 4: I didn't even say nothing.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out how I'm tripping by asking question.
Speaker 3: No, I totally understand that.
Speaker 5: And we was in here saying, like, you know, I
Speaker 5: think that it got what you asked was out of context.
Speaker 5: People didn't understand the context of it, because I did
Speaker 5: feel like you were just trying to figure out, like, well,
Speaker 5: what is it that y'all want? And you know, if
Speaker 5: y'all want to be independent, but y'all want the same
Speaker 5: thing that the majors want, So what is it that
Speaker 5: y'all want on the indie level?
Speaker 3: Like what are y'all after? What are y'all chasing and
Speaker 3: like you say, you.
Speaker 5: Know, you've gotten control of your own your masters, and
Speaker 5: gotten all of this creative freedom and to do whatever
Speaker 5: you want on a major as well. So again it's
Speaker 5: all up to how you structure your deal and go
Speaker 5: after what you want.
Speaker 3: But you can do that on a major level. You don't.
Speaker 5: You can't because you can have a terrible indie deal
Speaker 5: as well. You can have a terrible situation independent as well.
Speaker 2: Like I look at like like Saint Fancis Kanye deal
Speaker 2: that was at def Camp. From my understanding, Kanye had
Speaker 2: one of the most glorified deals that Universal has ever
Speaker 2: given an artist.
Speaker 4: Period right.
Speaker 2: It's just one of the biggest favor any artist period right.
Speaker 2: And and as a as a as a person, if
Speaker 2: you're good and your music is great, like Kanye's music,
Speaker 2: you can get whatever you want. I think that that's
Speaker 2: a I think that's another thing.
Speaker 4: That people don't understand, you know.
Speaker 2: And I, like I said, when I when I first
Speaker 2: started making music, the goal was to make a demo
Speaker 2: hit the streets, run around New York, go to l
Speaker 2: a meet, have meetings and talk to.
Speaker 4: People and see if you're gonna get signed.
Speaker 6: I get it now.
Speaker 4: It's just like you just put the music out. I
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 2: So I mean but that, but like I said, none
Speaker 2: of that was what my question was.
Speaker 4: I'm just asking what is the perk of being independent?
Speaker 2: And I guess, like I said, Steve stopped being you know,
Speaker 2: United masters him saying that, I'm I just posted what
Speaker 2: he said because I guess that's the that's it. You
Speaker 2: just get freedom and creative control and that's it, right,
Speaker 2: So cool.
Speaker 3: But you had that, You've had that on the major yourself.
Speaker 2: So yeah, like I'm saying, I've seen by the way
Speaker 2: I've seen rest in Peace. My brother got it. Erv
Speaker 2: got it own Murder inc. That's why he sold it,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He got big bag this
Speaker 2: and the third he owned it. If you write your music,
Speaker 2: you own all your publishing.
Speaker 4: Anyway, right, So that I don't even have nothing to do
Speaker 4: with a label or majors or not.
Speaker 2: Right. I'm a guy that's been writing songs since the
Speaker 2: beginning one hundred percent of I don't know nothing about people.
Speaker 4: Taking my royalties, right, it ain't.
Speaker 3: Put on that.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, I'm saying, it ain't no
Speaker 2: other names for me to put on the records for
Speaker 2: it to go that direction. If you writing your own
Speaker 2: music and you're sitting in the studio every night, the
Speaker 2: credit automatic.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know it's an automatically coming. You gotta
Speaker 4: fight for what you got to do.
Speaker 2: It's just part of business. And like I said, I
Speaker 2: wasn't trying to shoot on nobody. I was really just
Speaker 2: asking a real question. I didn't know that niggas is
Speaker 2: gonna get mad at you. But I'm like God, because
Speaker 2: I'm saying I still don't understand why the guy on
Speaker 2: Instagram said this is be the.
Speaker 4: Thing for independent artists. Why can't just be the thing
Speaker 4: for everybody?
Speaker 3: Right right, Okay, I'll see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: What is what is?
Speaker 4: What is it? What is it? What is like?
Speaker 2: That's that's what really made me say, Okay, so wait,
Speaker 2: why is this special for independent artists? And he's not
Speaker 2: saying this could be crazy for musical artists period.
Speaker 3: I get it.
Speaker 2: And then somebody then last night, somebody told me when
Speaker 2: they got on the phone, they was like, you know,
Speaker 2: JD is because an independent artist, we need everything that
Speaker 2: we can get, so any little thing that we can
Speaker 2: get is a special thing for us. And That's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like it's all worth conversation and talking. But
Speaker 2: people just get mad about you asking a question.
Speaker 5: It's crazy they taking it, they taking it personal, like
Speaker 5: you asking them directly why you want to be independent?
Speaker 3: Like that's how a lot of people took that.
Speaker 4: I don't care.
Speaker 3: I was offended, he said, he.
Speaker 4: You got offends.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'm saying, not for real, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't that part.
Speaker 4: I don't get.
Speaker 2: I don't understand that because I'm like, all I did
Speaker 2: was ask.
Speaker 4: You, like, what is the special thing?
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like niggas, niggas bought Louis Vaton Timberland's special, right?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: I remember a time in my life when I said
Speaker 2: I would never pay two thousand dollars for a pair
Speaker 2: of shoes.
Speaker 4: It was a time in my life.
Speaker 2: When I said this, right, But then I start chasing special, right,
Speaker 2: you start chasing special. Niggas want niggas buys niggas got
Speaker 2: sneaker collections. Niggas buying two thousand dollars Jordans.
Speaker 4: Why because they special?
Speaker 2: So that's all I'm asking, what's special about being independent?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 5: I totally understand that before we let you go. We
Speaker 5: had another conversation. Do you believe that Playboy Carti is
Speaker 5: a superstar?
Speaker 4: Yes, but without the music.
Speaker 3: I still don't understand it.
Speaker 5: Like I believe he's a but I can't attach it
Speaker 5: to the like I don't know the music.
Speaker 2: Because SUPERSTARUM SUPERSTARUM is not musically connected all at all times, right,
Speaker 2: Like I thought Chris Klass from Superstars when I first
Speaker 2: saw them, and then we didn't have.
Speaker 4: No music, right, that's what made me. That's what there
Speaker 4: was something to work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I believe that people can be superstars without
Speaker 2: the music, you know what I mean? I think that
Speaker 2: I think that we connect the two together. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't because, like I said, I can see an
Speaker 2: artist walking down the street, or I can see a
Speaker 2: person moving around and just be like, okay, I see
Speaker 2: how people.
Speaker 1: Paying attention to this person.
Speaker 2: They start, they got something about them, and then then
Speaker 2: if you put the music for them, that the right music,
Speaker 2: then it all it all adds up. I think that
Speaker 2: that's what from what from what I.
Speaker 4: Hear, right, because I never really.
Speaker 2: Go to Rolling Loud and see Playboy Cardi perform and
Speaker 2: all that, but from what I hear and when people
Speaker 2: tell me to his performances and all of this type
Speaker 2: of stuff. The way that people react. They're reacting as
Speaker 2: if he's a superstar.
Speaker 5: Right, but it's yeah, but you can't connect it to
Speaker 5: the music necessarily.
Speaker 3: It's something about him. It's a quality about him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not a musical thing to me. It's more
Speaker 2: it's got to be all about his personality, his swag.
Speaker 4: The way you know, his aura aura.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1: You be feeling his aura?
Speaker 3: No, not me, all right, Bro, just wanted to get
Speaker 3: some clarity on that.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you for calling me back, man.
Speaker 1: Bro, all right, I want to have that conversation with
Speaker 1: him in person, because I wasn't gonna I'm gonna let
Speaker 1: him get a ship off yelling.
Speaker 3: About the independent thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm lost how he would be lost in that?
Speaker 1: If whatever this programming was talking about that he saw
Speaker 1: the ad for. It's harder for independent artists to get
Speaker 1: in the algorithms, to get on the Spotify playlist, to
Speaker 1: get all that. It is much easier for someone on
Speaker 1: a major to get that. So if there's a program
Speaker 1: that is allowing artists to get into those algorithms without
Speaker 1: having to be on a major, that's only important for
Speaker 1: independent artists because that program people on Majors already have.
Speaker 1: It's called it the entire Digital Team. But no, I know,
Speaker 1: I agree that Majors will get you on a playlist
Speaker 1: before independent all day. It's harder for independent artists do that.
Speaker 1: So of course I see why whoever was advertising that
Speaker 1: would try to cater it to the people it would
Speaker 1: matter the most.
Speaker 4: Two.
Speaker 1: So that's where I'm confused with JD has confused that.
Speaker 1: And also yes, JD owns his masters. IRV Gotti owned
Speaker 1: half his Masters. They had joint ventures with major labels
Speaker 1: because they had a proven track record that was undeniable.
Speaker 1: There is no risk if I do a deal with
Speaker 1: IRV Gotti. Look at what he's brought this building. But
Speaker 1: IRV didn't get any percentage at all when he brought
Speaker 1: DMX to the building, when he brought JA to the building.
Speaker 1: But they said, oh, IRV has brought our last two
Speaker 1: superstars and he's got this Godjy rule, we should do
Speaker 1: a joint venture. And IRV had the leverage at that
Speaker 1: point to say, dog, no, you need to give me
Speaker 1: proof of this is a fifty to fifty joint venture
Speaker 1: that we're doing and because IRV had proved himself. JD
Speaker 1: before he did the Soco Deaf joint venture, had proved
Speaker 1: himself to be a fucking genius. So JD speaking from
Speaker 1: a deserved, privileged place, like not everybody is. IRV and
Speaker 1: JD they had leverage, which is tough to have and
Speaker 1: it takes time and you've to sign a shitty deal usually.
Speaker 3: Before and so they had they had movie about.
Speaker 1: Talent, undeniable talent, and proof that they were profitable. Fuck talent.
Speaker 1: We know you can make hit records. Absolutely, So I
Speaker 1: don't really understand what JD was saying at all. Still,
Speaker 1: even in.
Speaker 3: Context, I'll text him and telling that, so you can
Speaker 3: have a.
Speaker 1: No, I love to over some vegan ice cream. I
Speaker 1: would love to which I need to get a They
Speaker 1: saw it at Walmart Target, I gotta get it was
Speaker 1: really good.
Speaker 3: It might be another stores now, but I know at
Speaker 3: the time it was and it was definitely a Walmart.
Speaker 1: Even if you're not a vegan but you like ice
Speaker 1: grade ice JD has amazing ice cream, great ice cream.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a pause somewhere in there, but
Speaker 1: I just can't find it. No, I was pausing myself
Speaker 1: by saying JD is good ice cream.
Speaker 3: He was being gay.
Speaker 5: Roy speaking of Playboy CARDI, he has one week left
Speaker 5: to drop Iron Music or his label will have to
Speaker 5: refund all of the pre orders. I don't know if
Speaker 5: we think that's gonna happen. I think the music will
Speaker 5: end up coming out. I don't see the labels refunding.
Speaker 1: If he was independent, he would never do that.
Speaker 3: Points are made, But I do think the album will
Speaker 3: come out. I don't. I don't, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: see them ever letting go there.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gonna put music out ever again,
Speaker 1: like in life. Yes, I think he like kind of
Speaker 1: enjoys what this mystery is now, or he'll put out
Speaker 1: like a blank CD.
Speaker 3: He might be able to sell a blank CD.
Speaker 1: Oh, he would definitely sell a blank city Superstar ship.
Speaker 3: See see how.
Speaker 5: I wrote, I rerilled you right into that. Only superstars
Speaker 5: can do that.
Speaker 3: I rerilled you right in it.
Speaker 1: Not only could he do that, he also has the
Speaker 1: ability and a fan base that would call it genius classic.
Speaker 3: I could hear it, yeah, y'all, don't hear it, y'all? No,
Speaker 3: that could be.
Speaker 5: That would be a thing on Twitter like Yo, y'all
Speaker 5: really don't hear the music?
Speaker 6: People like, wait, went over your head?
Speaker 5: Yeah, y'all really no, I really hear the music. Ya,
Speaker 5: y'all don't hear yah, you're your your ship is blank.
Speaker 5: Like I could see people getting into a back and
Speaker 5: forth about that.
Speaker 1: I wish that happened with Playboy Cardi's music. I'm mad,
Speaker 1: I have to hear it.
Speaker 5: Really I I don't really like I said, I don't.
Speaker 5: I can't connect it. But he is a he is
Speaker 5: a superstar. As far as unclecterned other music coming out tonight, well,
Speaker 5: if you're reading this, you listen to this is already
Speaker 5: out jell On Glorilla.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long Friday from all because you
Speaker 1: know that's a bona fide hit, jel On Glorilla. I
Speaker 1: don't even need to hear it. It could be a
Speaker 1: blank CD. That's a fucking record.
Speaker 3: That's the labels pushing the button. Back to what I'm.
Speaker 6: Saying, invested seven million, they pushing noted, that's their button,
Speaker 6: seven million dollars.
Speaker 3: That's how much a button costs. How much your buttons costs.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me you don't think jell is put
Speaker 1: in the necessary even put the work hours to get
Speaker 1: that global fat No, I.
Speaker 5: Don't think he did at all. I don't think he did.
Speaker 5: But whatever it is, I ain't hated. Get your money, Gunner, Turbo,
Speaker 5: Classy Girl, Wu Tang has a Mandingo.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know who listen.
Speaker 5: We gotta talk to to the brothers of Is it
Speaker 5: an hour? I don't know what it is, but whatever
Speaker 5: it is, I don't want no parts of man Dingo now,
Speaker 5: but I'm assuming it's an album though.
Speaker 1: I feel like there'd be more promo than Wu Tang.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know they're going on tour, but I
Speaker 1: just feel like there'd be more promo putting ot the
Speaker 1: full project.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know, but whatever it is, I'm I'm
Speaker 5: checking it out. Benny the Butcher, The Outcome, Little Dirk,
Speaker 5: Deep Thoughts Uh and those are just some of the
Speaker 5: projects dropping already out now. If you're listening to this,
Speaker 5: so a lot of new music coming out. Good Friday
Speaker 5: for music.
Speaker 1: I feel crazy even saying this. Benny is gonna be
Speaker 1: the first album that I hit play on, but I
Speaker 1: think Jello and Gloilla is gonna be the first thing
Speaker 1: I go to him at.
Speaker 5: Night yeah, because you just want to hear if I'm right,
Speaker 5: just so you can text me and be like, yo, fam.
Speaker 3: You don't want to walk that take back.
Speaker 1: Anytime Nas puts anything out, I drop what I'm doing
Speaker 1: to go listen. You don't think I give a goat
Speaker 1: like Jello the same.
Speaker 3: Respect, same respect as Nas. I like that for you.
Speaker 1: Is Jello superstar?
Speaker 3: No? Absolutely not, absolutely not, not even.
Speaker 1: He's on his way like Tyler though. No, he's not
Speaker 1: the same thing.
Speaker 5: It's no, it's not water and what's the name of
Speaker 5: the other record with Jello's record tweaker?
Speaker 3: Water and tweak is not the same thing. I mean
Speaker 3: not smoke. You ain't listen to tweakers.
Speaker 6: Kissing.
Speaker 1: You get so mad when I get crazy, bars off
Speaker 1: like it's starting to feel like jealousy at this point.
Speaker 6: Of you, nigga, I mean, man, sir, episode, it's been
Speaker 6: a rough week.
Speaker 1: I smoked you at the top of the week.
Speaker 6: So I at the top of the week. By the way,
Speaker 6: you were saying, your Instagram comments were saying that you won,
Speaker 6: but the YouTube comment said and the Twitter comment said
Speaker 6: I won.
Speaker 1: No. I went to the YouTube comments after you said that,
Speaker 1: and you misleaded me. You chied to me and they
Speaker 1: played me. No, they don't okay, they say I want okay, everybody, everybody.
Speaker 6: Well, we all see the best. We all see what
Speaker 6: we want.
Speaker 1: To Wait, wait till the major push that button.
Speaker 6: From we all see what we want to see.
Speaker 5: Either way, man, some good music coming out. I am
Speaker 5: excited to hear what Benny did with this project, saying
Speaker 5: so yeah, definitely listen to that. Support these artists, support
Speaker 5: all dope artists. Man, we need to continue to support
Speaker 5: dope music. So a lot of good music out this Friday.
Speaker 5: What you got going on this weekend? I'll be in
Speaker 5: chilling up in the house.
Speaker 3: You can relaxing. Reset.
Speaker 1: The way I was outside this week at thirty four
Speaker 1: is not the same as when I was twenty.
Speaker 5: Recovery and you recovery to cover. Yeah, take it, take
Speaker 5: a nice shower, bath, whatever you gotta do. Soak and
Speaker 5: he plans baby d No.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna start what's the new show Surrender, Severance. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna start Severance is great, and we'll start that it's
Speaker 6: dropping Sunday.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start that Paradise show that you've been talking about.
Speaker 1: What's what's this blog on this week on My Week
Speaker 1: and got the special guest Yoms in it. You know
Speaker 1: it's gonna go crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh your young she shot it.
Speaker 1: I mean I assume she's a creative director.
Speaker 3: Shout out to your shout out to Yoming.
Speaker 5: All right, well, have a safe weekend, be safe, be blessed.
Speaker 5: We'll talk to you in a couple of days. I'm
Speaker 5: that nigga.
Speaker 3: He's just Ginger Peace.