WEBVTT - Pro Football Focus' Mike Renner On Dolphins Draft 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:07.480 Practice are Alsafric drawing Huxtown. What a win for this 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:13.320 Miami Dolphin team. Wow? What is up, Dolphans? And welcome 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.439 to the Drive Time Podcast, part of the Miami Dolphins 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:21.520 official podcast network covering your Miami Dolphins. How's it going everybody? 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.000 I am your host, Travis Wingfield, and I am here 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:26.600 each and every day to bring you your daily dose 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.920 of Miami Dolphins football. And on today's show, we are 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.040 staying with the draft, because why wouldn't we, and staying 0:00:33.080 --> 0:00:35.840 with one of my favorite publications as we are joined 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.519 by Pro Football Focuses lead draft analyst Mike Renner. We 0:00:39.600 --> 0:00:42.720 talked about the best value at each Dolphins pick throughout 0:00:42.760 --> 0:00:45.800 the first two days, where this class is strongest, weakest, 0:00:45.960 --> 0:00:49.120 most unique, and all kinds of valuable draft detail just 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.720 three days away from the NFL Draft, plus the most 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:57.560 unique stat that Mike thinks Pro Football Focus provides for 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.440 this year's draft. All of that and more on this Monday, 0:01:00.520 --> 0:01:07.440 April twenty edition of the Drivetime Podcast. And we're gonna 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:09.440 get to my interview here in just one second with 0:01:09.480 --> 0:01:12.080 Pro Football Focuses Mike Renner. But I want to talk 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:14.920 about what I had in mind for interviewing him on 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.800 this podcast because I think that Pro Football Focus provides 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:21.800 such a unique perspective, whether it's the draft or NFL 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:24.679 players alike. They do so many different things with their 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:29.200 signature stats, advanced metrics, analytics, studying position groups and the 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:32.399 impact of those groups on the league, the contract impacts. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.800 They really cover everything in the National Football League, and 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:37.720 I think one of the things they do so well, 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:41.360 for instance, is provide such proper context to what we're 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:43.680 seeing on the field. You're gonna hear Mike talk about 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.360 what he believes is the most valuable metric that Pro 0:01:46.400 --> 0:01:50.040 Football Focus provides. It was the ball placement accuracy measure 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.840 for quarterbacks. You'll hear him talk about that. We'll talk 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:54.840 about all the positions the Dolphins can attack in this 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:57.320 draft where they can get stronger, and really just the 0:01:57.360 --> 0:01:59.040 best time of the year, the best week of the 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:01.440 year for football ends, all of that more here on 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:03.760 this podcast. Let's go ahead now and not waste any 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:06.320 more time and get to Mike Renner of Pro Football 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.880 Focus and joining the Drivetime podcast now. Is the lead 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.640 draft analysts for Pro Football Focus, and you can find 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:16.679 the PFF NFL Draft Guide right now at Pro Football 0:02:16.680 --> 0:02:19.280 Focus dot com. He is Mike Renner. Mike, thanks for 0:02:19.320 --> 0:02:22.680 joining us today, Man, thanks for having me on. Happy 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:24.240 to be here. Yeah, I got a chance to go 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.600 over your guys Mega Draft Guy to Behemoth one thousand 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:30.320 pages and it's it's the best thing that comes out 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:32.079 every year this time of year in my opinion. Man. 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:33.560 So I'm really happy to have a chance to talk 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:36.079 to you here, and we are finally here at draft week. 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:39.919 The months long process is about to finally meet its payoff. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:42.359 You've been studying this class for basically a year now 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:44.840 compared to other classes. To you, Mike, where would you 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:48.440 say this class is strengths? Lie, I think there's two 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:52.320 positions that really jump out to me as being really strong. 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.760 Ones wide receiver. Obviously, I think everyone heard anything about 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.400 the draft, you've probably heard that. It just I think 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.000 there's seven guys in our top twenty five players or 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:04.160 wide receivers, over a quarter of our top twenty five 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:08.400 players our wide receivers, and like thirteen in the top seventy. 0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.880 Maybe it was just a loaded class, however way you 0:03:10.919 --> 0:03:13.720 want to look at it, and whether you want like 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.560 a number one type of wide receiver like Cherry to 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.720 do your see lamb speed guys like Jalen reagor Henry 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.600 Ruggs like they got. This class really has at all 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.120 so wide receivers one and the other one that's probably 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:25.640 the best I've seen since we started grade in college 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.079 players back in two thousands. Four teams that the team 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:32.320 draft is the tackle class. There's really so I'd say 0:03:32.400 --> 0:03:35.840 four guys who I feel really good about then being 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.520 good tackles in the NFL, you're lucky to get one 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.320 in a class. Usually one guy you feel like can be, 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.760 you know, a starter from the rips, and so I 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.440 think there's four of those in this class, and I 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.360 think you might end up seeing something like seven go 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:50.440 in the first round because of how many talented guys are. 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.520 So it's a pretty ridiculous tackle and wide receiver class. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:56.600 I was just tweeting earlier on Sunday about how there's 0:03:56.640 --> 0:03:59.000 this kind of fun pendulum in the NFL where things 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:00.760 go one way, they come back the other way. And 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.440 it seems like in recent years, several years now that 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.920 the past Russian group has really outweighed the offensive line group, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.400 and now this year we have an influx of tackles. 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.240 Next year there's a crop of guys coming in and 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.200 looks very good as well. But we'll go ahead and 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:16.320 say that for another day and ask you, comparatively speaking, 0:04:16.560 --> 0:04:18.479 what are some of the positions in this class that 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.279 maybe haven't measured up to pass classes in terms of 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:23.400 the pre draft grades. I think it's the edge of 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.520 Russian classes really to me. After Chase Young, you guys 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.680 just like put him the side kind of zones here. 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:32.440 The thing about pass rushers is usually you can tell 0:04:32.520 --> 0:04:34.719 the guys the guys either had the athletic traits or 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:36.760 these sort of on field performance to win off the edge. 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.120 In the NFL, it's kind of an easy position to scout, 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:40.400 and you see, like a lot of the most towns 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:43.000 guys in the NFL were first round because they get identified, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:45.640 and then you'll find a lot of guys later on 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.680 the draft. He has Mike Renner Pro Football Focus is 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.040 lead draft analysts, and Mike, I told you this in 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:53.680 the at the beginning. This one thousand page behemoth, I 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:57.000 think is both aesthetically pleasing as much as it is informative. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:58.919 And you guys give a bunch of great detail on 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.560 the player's strength the scout of reports, but you also 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:04.760 have data unlike any other website or publication out there. 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.520 In your opinion, what are some of the most telling 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.719 advanced metrics you guys chart when it comes to evaluating 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.520 these prospects and projecting them for production. Like you mentioned 0:05:13.640 --> 0:05:16.800 at the next level, one of the favorite, my favorite 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:20.600 things that we do in college is his ball placement charting, 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.880 not purely just uh, you know, was it completed or 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.719 was it not? Where the ball was relative to where 0:05:27.720 --> 0:05:30.320 the quarterback wanted it to go. And that's something that 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.720 we think has been very helpful for us, and it's 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:35.960 just a very helpful too of the evaluation process in 0:05:36.040 --> 0:05:38.479 terms of, like, you know, how to be able to 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:41.000 manipulate or not manipulate, but being able to see what 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.320 his you know, true accuracy was and was he at 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:47.359 what levels of the football field was someone accurate? We 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.719 had an audio snaff food right here, but Mike was 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:52.360 talking about the number of times the percentage is a 0:05:52.440 --> 0:05:55.120 quarterback miss is an open receiver and how low those 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.040 figures were for Burrow and tongue of Ioloa. You know, 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:01.080 Joe Burrows at five to a time of low is 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:04.120 at five percent, you guys, most NFL quarterbacks are around, 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.080 you know, well under ten percent. So that was what 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.120 obviously not a massive sample size, but stuff like that 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:11.760 that we start on every play, I think and really 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.680 sort of help help sort of putting numbers too. When 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.240 you say guys accurate or a guy's inaccurate. You can't 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.320 really difficult to parse out levels of that when you 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.080 say that, but it really when you have a number 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:27.280 like that, it helps too, helps part of the evaluation. Yeah, 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.159 it's nice to give it a tangible metric because I 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.039 think a lot of times you see accuracy as just 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.760 completion percentage, and that's not the case because, like you mentioned, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.000 if running back runs let's say a flair route and 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.520 you put the ball on the inside hip or the 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.080 inside shoulder, he didn't has to turn back inside, runs 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.560 him right into the coverage, gets hit, maybe drops the football, 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:44.560 maybe he doesn't have a chance to make a playoff 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.240 for the catch. So good information there. You talk about 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:50.240 the quarterbacks, that's always the group of players that everybody 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:51.839 wants to talk about at the top of the draft 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:54.520 this year. The Dolphins pick five in this year's draft 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.919 of course as well, but in terms of the value 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.479 at pick number five, which players do you think, in 0:07:00.520 --> 0:07:03.440 your opinion, have the best value that could be on 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:07.440 the board to pick number five. The best value I 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:09.720 think it's going to be the tackle class is going 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.800 to have the best value, or possibly to a tongue 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:14.680 of my low if he slips, but I don't first 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:16.760 see him being on the board at number five. I 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:18.520 think someone's gonna have to trade up to go again 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:21.160 if they want him so, or or if he does 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.920 slip to five, he's slipped in like way down far 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.160 because that means the medicals will come back that people 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:30.240 aren't high him. So I do think either tackle or uh, 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.680 like a quarterback, there to a time of loa. So 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:36.400 the tackle classes Andrew Thomas, Jedrick Wills, Tristan Worth's I'm 0:07:36.440 --> 0:07:38.120 not sure you can really go wrong with those guys. 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:41.800 They just all are super productive already young true junior 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:45.040 is coming out. Uh you know, physical freaks of nature 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.800 as well. So they took a lot of the boxes 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.000 for the position. So if you take any of those 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:50.880 four tackles to pick number five, you're gonna give it 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.840 a good grade. Yes, I would be given that a 0:07:53.840 --> 0:07:55.640 good grade. What would you would you have a preference 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:57.160 that I gotta put your feet to the fire. Who's 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:00.160 your favorite one of the group, Andrew Thomas. So they're 0:08:00.160 --> 0:08:02.080 all within four spots to all three of them within 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:04.520 four spots on our draft board. Thomas first one off 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:07.160 board though. That's that's crazy. That's that's an interesting grouping 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:08.480 you have there. That's a question I want to ask 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.239 you about a little bit later on. Let's go ahead 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:11.720 and get here now to the middle of the first round. 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.320 They'll pick number eighteen coming over from the Steelers and 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.119 the Minka Fitzpatrick trade. In that range of this draft, 0:08:17.120 --> 0:08:20.360 where do you think the best value lies? So I 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.800 think around them is when the cornerbacks start to get valuable. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.520 You have guys like that C. J. Henderson will be 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:31.000 off the board, but Christian Fulton, Jalen Johnson, A J. Terrell, 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.800 that kind of second tier after Jeffer Acuta and call 0:08:33.880 --> 0:08:37.400 really talented guys. I think wide receiver again is going 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.280 to be talented at that spot. You might have seen 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.560 guys like Jerry Judy see Lamb and uh Henry Rubs 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.280 off the board ready with Jalen reagor you know Leviscastional, 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:50.160 Michael Pittman Jr. See Higgins, Justin Jefferson all those guys, 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:52.400 I mean, we'll likely be on the board of eighteen, 0:08:52.440 --> 0:08:54.520 so I think that is another position where there's going 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.480 to be value. And then after that, I'm not sure 0:08:57.480 --> 0:09:01.280 exactly where the NFL is going to see the rest 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:03.560 of the sort of lineback and corps, but I do 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.760 think guys like Patrick Queen around then would be a 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:08.520 good value as well. It seems like a good spot 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:10.440 for those guys come off the board. The receiver group, 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:12.720 like you mentioned, could be a spot for a trade up. Possibly. 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.120 Dolphins do have the twenty six pick in the first round, 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:18.120 also part of the Laramie Tunzil and Kenny Stills trade 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:19.880 back end the first round. Where do you think the 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.280 value lies there at pick? That's why I think I 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.360 think it's still cornerback is still gonna be it's a 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:28.199 deep group in that range. And then also safety at 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.440 that point you have guys like Grant Helpit, Davian McKinney. 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.239 Not sure where the NFL falls on these guys necessarily. 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:35.640 I think, you know, just the NFL has kind of 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:37.600 been low on safety in terms of the contracts they've 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.320 been handing out from general the last few years. But 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.959 I do think that McKinney and Delta the top two 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.600 safeties on our board, all but both worthy of first 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.679 round selections than Ashton Davis cal safety as well. He'd 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.920 do the thirst safety. All those guys would make a 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:53.640 lot of sense. I'm curious to ask you about that, 0:09:53.679 --> 0:09:55.520 because I've been watching a lot of the safety class 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:57.679 as we get closer to the draft here, and as 0:09:57.760 --> 0:09:59.280 much as I love what some of these guys do, 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.680 it seems like when I watch a full game tape, 0:10:01.720 --> 0:10:04.080 for instance, there's maybe three or four places where they're 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.760 making an impact because they are fifteen yards off the football. 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:09.040 Does that kind of way into how they've been devalued 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:11.480 in terms of contract and draft stock over the years, 0:10:12.320 --> 0:10:14.160 I think so. I think it's a big part of 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.440 it is that a lot of times that's sort of 0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.560 you know, deep safety is often a placeholder and it's 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.760 more just you want a guy you can trust back there. 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:24.920 Some teams will just you know, want a guy who's 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:27.240 familiar with their scheme that they can trust, rather than 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:30.080 maybe a playmaker, a guy who's going to make, you know, 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.360 maybe a few splash plays a year, but then be 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.160 out of position and give up a few as well. 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:38.560 So I do think that that what you hit on 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.319 there in terms of just it's difficult to evaluate. Also 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:42.959 when you only get a handful of place to your 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.280 handful of times to be involved in the action as well. 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:47.760 So I think a lot of those things combined as 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:49.439 to why you see the NFL kind of little on 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:51.440 safe and those guys do have an impact when they 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:53.240 do make plays or I should say when they are 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.920 out there on Saturdays, the ones you mentioned. But the 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:58.720 Dolphins also do have two second round picks this year 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.080 and a pick in the third round, So three day 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:02.800 two picks. What do you think some of the best 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.840 values are in that portion of the draft. I think 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.400 you start to see defensive tackles. The day two ones 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.600 seem a little bit better there. I think you'll see 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.360 Ross black Bock from TCU, Justin Mattabookie Texas, and m 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.840 maybe Neville Gallamore from Oklahoma. Those guys all all sort 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.440 of kind of do it all, can rush the past 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.600 or they're all athletic, but I think they all have 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:26.400 some holes in their game right now that they're kind 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.080 of they're probably more second round sort of picks. I 0:11:29.080 --> 0:11:33.360 think those three, uh like the defensive tier class value. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:35.120 And then again wide receiver is just going to be 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.079 pretty ridiculous all throughout Day two, and imagine you can 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.280 get yourself starter anywhere in that sort of range. And 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:48.240 then also the I think the linebacking class on Day 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.840 two is good too. I think there's a lot of 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.680 athletic linebackers in this class. After you know, Isaiah Samon's 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.000 Patrick Queen, Kenneth Murray probably the top three off the board, 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:00.959 but still Jordan Brooks really athletic dude. Texas linebacker Willie 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:03.880 Gay Mississippi State. He went sub four or five. Davian 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.240 Taylor from Colorado, you went sub four or five. Like, 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.480 there's a lot of athletes at the linebacker position year, 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.440 Mr Straff. The Dolphins do have several more picks as 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.160 well on day number three as well, rounds four through seven, 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:16.560 and doing one of your or I guess doing a 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:18.360 big board that has so many players on it, you're 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:20.800 gonna have guys that you like in that one hundred 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:23.120 through two hundred range, so to speak. I act listen 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.719 to a Move the Sticks podcast earlier today and they 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:27.800 were talking about how it's not just that you love 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:29.880 guys at the top of the draft. Some teams have 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:31.960 guys they love that they think are going to be 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.640 six or fifth round picks. So for Mike Renner, who 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.920 are your favorite potential Day three targets? Yeah, that that 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:40.920 that is true. I mean there are guys who are like, yeah, 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.080 he's a fourth rounder, but damn what, I love to 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.120 get him in the fourth round. I think one of 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.839 those guys is Antonio Gibson from Memphis running back. But 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:51.520 he played kind of split time between running back and 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:53.240 wide receiver there and didn't play a lot because we 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:55.600 only touched the ball seventy seven times it was entire 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:58.280 college career. But he broke thirty three tackles on those 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.320 seventy seven three combine and these two hundred six ft 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:05.080 two hundred twenty pounds. So this guy, it's a physical 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:06.720 freak of nature. I'm not sure they knew what they 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.760 had there at Memphis, And well, he was behind Tony 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:13.040 Pollard and Darrell Henderson anyway, last year, So I do 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:15.360 think that he if I'm getting him in the fourth round, 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:18.040 it's one of the guy that I love draft. Yeah, 0:13:18.080 --> 0:13:20.000 I was gonna say Memphis has been turning out backs 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:22.400 pretty much every single year, becoming a factory out there 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.160 in the Midwest. But Mike, we did positional previews day 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.920 by day on this podcast in the last couple of 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.000 weeks leading up to this draft, and I ask all 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:31.920 my guests, and this is where that earlier question I 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:34.559 kind of mentioned to you comes in about the positional 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.680 gluts that could come into play, kind of like, how 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.520 how could certain positions that are good in certain areas 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.720 have a negative impact where kind of self cannibalizes itself. 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:46.720 For instance, the receiver class being so deep, But does 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:49.080 that depth of the class hurt the value up top? 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.440 Tell us which positions might have some gluts that could 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.440 push some talent down the board in the draft. Yeah, 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:56.800 So I think, like I said off the top of 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:59.839 the wide receiver and tap classes are both special, and 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:03.160 a wide receiver class there's probably about there's two guys 0:14:03.160 --> 0:14:04.920 I think are special, and then there's probably about a 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.400 tier worth like twelve guys and that next year, so 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.520 I think you'll see those guys could push down because 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.360 someone will pass saying hey, I know I can get 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.960 another similar talent and then the next round, you know, 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:16.040 around later and not have to waste that. So I 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.440 think wide receivers one where guys could get pushed down. 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.760 Um gosh, I'm trying to think, well, I think safety 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.520 is as well, because I think the talent I day too. 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:28.120 There's a lot of guys that are somewhat similar, and 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:30.000 so I don't think I don't think you'll see a 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:32.520 lot and there's no like sure fire complete safety. I 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.240 don't know how you want to do isaias Simmons, but 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.320 assuming he's as linebackers, no letters sure hit safety in 0:14:37.320 --> 0:14:40.840 this class, So that means I'd probably imagine that you 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.920 might not see one come off the board until late 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:44.840 in the first round or even in the second round. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.960 You mentioned Isaia Simmons, who has just lauded universally for 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.920 his versatility, and rightfully so you guys chart the fact 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.840 that he's playing split safety, playing deep safety, playing linebacker 0:14:53.920 --> 0:14:56.200 on the line of scrimmage. It's to me it's crazy 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.160 to watch all the things that he can do. Who 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:59.960 are some other guys that fans might not be from 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.000 elier with to have maybe not similar versatility, But who 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:04.840 are some of the players in this class that can 0:15:04.840 --> 0:15:07.560 give you multiple possessions, maybe even from day one as 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:11.720 a rookie. Yeah, So one of my favorites toll Here 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:13.680 two guys who are kind of in a can do 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:15.440 a lot of different things over the middle of field 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:18.680 coverage wise. Meek Robertson from L. A. Tech. I think 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:21.000 he's like he falls in that category of a guy 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:23.760 who probably GMS will love draft in the fourth round 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.520 and that he's only five eight one eight seven pounds. 0:15:27.560 --> 0:15:30.360 He's tiny, but he plays way bigger than that, and 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:33.080 he's played outside cornerback at L. A. Tech. Probably gonna 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.120 play in the slot or like safety, kind of like 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.320 maybe a Tyre Matthew rule in the NFL. But I 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:40.920 think he's gonna be able to do it because the 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.360 way he plays, how physically plays, and again he can 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.840 play line up pretty much anywhere in the middle of 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.960 field and cover guys. Has a really good instincts. Had 0:15:48.200 --> 0:15:53.359 something like kid uh six was sixteen past sixty interceptions 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.640 and only three years there at Las. Really it's a 0:15:56.640 --> 0:16:01.280 ball hawk. So him and Cavan Wallace from Clemson very 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:03.640 similar mold as a little bigger. I think he's like 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.880 six ft to ten, but he plays like almost eclusively 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:10.760 slot for Clemson. But he also then kind of they 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.480 moved guys all over this past year then in that 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:16.600 Clemson defense in terms of their covert responsibilities because they 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.040 had guys like him and like Simmons who were just persontal. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:22.080 So I think he didn't play some time linebacker. He's 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:24.880 that sort of he plays that physical cell. I think 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.560 he's another one I would want, and you know, kind 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.040 of a today's NFL short a player. You mentioned two 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.040 players are that offered the ultimate juxtaposition in terms of 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.200 small school, big school, big build, small build. Man, I 0:16:36.240 --> 0:16:38.720 liked watching the Meek robertson that that Texas game. I'm 0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:41.800 sure everyone you've talked to has mentioned this play. I 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.120 think it was Colin Johnson works at the second sap 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.720 of the game and he just rocks Colin Johnson, who's 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:49.200 got like six seven inches on him. Man. It's it's 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.840 it's fun to watch guys like that compete. So I 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:53.480 like that guy a lot as well. I want to 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:55.800 kind of go through a rapid fire here, position by possession. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.800 You already mentioned quarterback, I think at the top of 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:00.400 the draft. Tackle at the top of the draft as well. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:02.480 We already talked about quarterbacks. So why don't we go 0:17:02.520 --> 0:17:04.760 ahead and go back to the running backs and the 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:06.840 running back class. I mean, this is a position that 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.240 has been bandied about. I'm sure you've been being an 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.600 analytics guy so much or maybe on one side of 0:17:11.640 --> 0:17:13.320 this fence. But where do you think the running back 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.960 best value comes in this class? Yeah, I mean I 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:17.680 think it's going to be end of day two, early 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.280 day three. You're gonna see. To me, there's like a 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.960 tier about six seven guys. And i'd even I say 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.160 seven because I throw Antonio Gibson in their talent wise, 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:28.000 but I don't know what you do with them. But 0:17:28.600 --> 0:17:34.639 cam Akers, Jonathan Taylor, J K. Dobbins, Zack Moss, Jondre Swift, 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.920 and Clyde Edwards Hillier. Those six guys, I'm coming away 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.680 from the draft one of those six I'll feel really good. 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.440 And so I think you'll probably find one of those 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:41.920 in the end of the round. Where do you think 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:45.120 the first back comes off the board. I don't think 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:46.840 it's going to be in the first round, but I 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:48.840 do think it's like early day to early day two. 0:17:48.920 --> 0:17:51.200 That makes sense, and probably the same story with receiver. 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.200 You already mentioned the top three guys coming off the board, 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:54.439 so we don't have to go into that too much. 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:57.320 Tackles we talked about how about the interior offensive line, 0:17:57.359 --> 0:17:59.439 because this is a group that has a couple of 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.240 strong set owners. The guard class hasn't gotten much publicity. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.520 Where do you like the centers and guards in this class? 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.800 I don't. I don't think i'd take any of these 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.000