WEBVTT - Taran Killam

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<v Speaker 1>The after after parties at s n L. Well, I've

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<v Speaker 1>been lucky enough to go to a few. Yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was probably good that I never never

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<v Speaker 1>was a cast member on that show. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>that I could have done twenty of them, just the

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<v Speaker 1>stamina wise, I mean definitely, like when you start out,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to go to as many as you can

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<v Speaker 1>possibly can, and then you kind of grow out of

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<v Speaker 1>them quickly. By the time I got there. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think Bill Hater even went to like the first after

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<v Speaker 1>party and it was like, what, you're crazy, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the best job ever. We're never gonna die. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And then like halfway through season two, Bill was right.

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<v Speaker 1>It was right. Hi, I am Taran kill him, and

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<v Speaker 1>I am so excited to talk to my brand new

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<v Speaker 1>friend Brian all about me. Hello there, everybody, and welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back too off the beat. I'm your host, Brian baum Gartner,

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<v Speaker 1>my guest today. Well, you just heard Arn kill him.

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<v Speaker 1>An actor who has lived many, many lives. If you

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<v Speaker 1>consider yourself a film buff, you'll probably recognize him from

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years a slave. If you were a Disney or

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<v Speaker 1>a Nickelodeon kid, you might remember when he was still

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<v Speaker 1>just a teenage heartthrob. You might recognize him from on

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<v Speaker 1>stage in Hamilton's as King George the Third, or if

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<v Speaker 1>you're big into comedy you will know him for sure

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<v Speaker 1>from his time on SNL or his new Amazon show

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<v Speaker 1>The NFL Pylon. What can this guy not do? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he can sing, he can act, he can rap. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>this is true. He's wrapped with many people, including both

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<v Speaker 1>Snoop Dogg and Rob Wriggle. And on top of that,

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<v Speaker 1>he is a master impersonator, which actually helped him get

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<v Speaker 1>one of his first big breaks. So yeah, it's safe

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<v Speaker 1>to say, Taren, well, he is skilled at the art

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<v Speaker 1>of entertaining and that's exactly what he's come here to

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<v Speaker 1>do today. Well that and talk about the off the

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<v Speaker 1>beat moments in his life. Of course, with all that said,

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<v Speaker 1>I am very excited to bring on Well the great

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<v Speaker 1>and Powerful Taran kill him. Bubble and Squeak. I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>Bubble and Squeak on Bubble and Squeaker cooking at every

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<v Speaker 1>month left over from the night before. What's up? Karen Brian?

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<v Speaker 1>How are you buddy? How good? How are you good? Good?

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<v Speaker 1>I am in a hotel room in Atlanta, Georgia, so

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<v Speaker 1>not the ideal not the ideal lighting situation at least understood.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. It was either going to be hotel room

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta or like leftover Halloween mood lighting. Yes, speaking

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<v Speaker 1>of which I do have to comment on the art

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<v Speaker 1>behind me. Yes, is it? Is it an open pomegranate

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm looking at? It is congratulations? Yeah, I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>big Yeah, I don't. It seems weirdly disturbing to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah, there it's a

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<v Speaker 1>it's a gruesome the the amount of magnification upon said pomegranate, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>too intense, it is. I I have named the piece

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<v Speaker 1>of art gruesome Fruit. So, by the way, not a

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<v Speaker 1>terrible tie. It's for a horror movie. No, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>dart writing Brian copyright me. Um, I think that's all

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<v Speaker 1>I have to do, right, That's how the guilds work,

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<v Speaker 1>that is. How are you doing? I'm very well, thank you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>My my wife and I were actually for the first

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<v Speaker 1>time you heard about the pandemic. Yeah, so for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time since the pandemic. Um, my wife and I

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<v Speaker 1>were invited to like, you know, grown up Halloween parties

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<v Speaker 1>without our kids and we went to two over the

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<v Speaker 1>weekend and we've aged out. We showed up, We showed up,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a drink, We like made a beeline for

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<v Speaker 1>people we knew, We said hi, and then literally did

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<v Speaker 1>not know what to do with ourselves. We're like, I

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<v Speaker 1>I miss home. Now I have to ask you a question.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you dress up? We did? We did. I was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like, uh, we both kind of went classic.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like a vampress and I was a wolfman.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, I mean that's a that's a d I

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<v Speaker 1>will say my daughter's friends came over to hang like

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<v Speaker 1>Friday night to do a little like early Halloween party,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of her friends showed up in an FBI

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<v Speaker 1>jacket with a with a warrant to search mar Lago.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a This is a thirteen year old child

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<v Speaker 1>who is hipper, funnier, more clever than any costume I

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<v Speaker 1>have ever or will everwhere. Well you, I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about your career and your variety

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<v Speaker 1>of elaborate costumes. You've had lots of lots of dressing.

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<v Speaker 1>See that's my thing. I don't dress up. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I dress up. I fulfill that itch. At other times,

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<v Speaker 1>and when it comes to Halloween, No, it's just me.

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<v Speaker 1>And other times you just mean like within your career,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's enough dress up, there's dress up. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I I did. I was in I did

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<v Speaker 1>put on makeup and get my hair done yesterday on Halloween,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wasn't gonna go home and do it different. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what you did? Do it? You did?

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<v Speaker 1>You got Yeah, you got your voucher. Yeah. Um, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back. You're a California boy, Yes, sir.

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<v Speaker 1>Your parents this is fascinating to me. Your parents both

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<v Speaker 1>dabbled in the entertainment industry. Your mom singer songwriter with

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<v Speaker 1>the Charlie Daniels band. Question, how many times have you

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<v Speaker 1>heard Devil went Down to Georgia? I mean even just recently,

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<v Speaker 1>many times? Because I feel like that's on a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of Halloween playlists a lot of times. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times she toured as a as a background singer, UM

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<v Speaker 1>for Charlie Daniels. Uh, two or three summers before I

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<v Speaker 1>was born, something like that. So I am from Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>So I feel like that song is like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of those things when you're young you're like

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<v Speaker 1>they said, pere job. It was Charlie Daniels and like

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<v Speaker 1>Ray Charles right right, that's exactly, Um, your dad part

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<v Speaker 1>of a theater group. How how much do you think

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<v Speaker 1>their influence are you know, their participation in the arts

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<v Speaker 1>and performing that influence you as a kid, massively, massively.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like we we attended Manhattan Beach Community Church,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the first decade of my life. Um, and

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<v Speaker 1>they would do the sort of community church plays there.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I was in theaters, I was watching rehearsals.

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<v Speaker 1>I was surrounded by the idea of like putting on

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<v Speaker 1>a show before I could even kind of conceive of

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<v Speaker 1>it or or an you know self analyze what that

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<v Speaker 1>meant and what that what that required. And then my

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<v Speaker 1>mother took me and my my two younger siblings to

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<v Speaker 1>a commercial agent because she thought we were cute and

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<v Speaker 1>precocious enough that maybe that would be a thing we

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<v Speaker 1>would do well at. And of the three of us,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I was the only one that was willing

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<v Speaker 1>to go into a room full of strangers and be like, Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'll talk about milkshakes. Um. So so absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, incredibly influential and encouraging, you know that that

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<v Speaker 1>was It was like unconditional support before I was really

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<v Speaker 1>even asking for it. Um. But it wasn't until like

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<v Speaker 1>middle school for me and like getting involved in theater

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<v Speaker 1>drama with my peers, with my own group, where it

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<v Speaker 1>became a sort of a self passion where I was like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>I I do like this, and I I can excel

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<v Speaker 1>at this too, but I'm I also enjoy the process,

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<v Speaker 1>and to me, I'm sure you agree. Just if you

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy doing it, the end results don't become as um precious,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, right. So it started out it sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>as I don't know, hobby, maybe the wrong, but like

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<v Speaker 1>an activity, I think it's fair. Yeah. It was like

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<v Speaker 1>recreational pastime. Yeah, absolutely, and and just always around like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I was. I was in productions at the

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<v Speaker 1>church from the age of four or five, um, because

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<v Speaker 1>it was fun to go hang out with kids. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think my parents, having five children, needed extracurriculars to like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, find a moment to breathe. Um. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it started that way. But in my own sort

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<v Speaker 1>of history for myself, in my heart, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 1>it was around six or seventh grade when I really

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<v Speaker 1>started going like, oh, I love this, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe slightly earlier, just I remember seeing Tim Burton's Batman,

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<v Speaker 1>the First Batman in like eighty nine and going, I

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<v Speaker 1>love the way that movie makes me feel. That movie

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<v Speaker 1>makes me feel like things that I only thought were

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<v Speaker 1>pretend before could be real. And that's I want to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. That sounds awesome. Well, it sounds like right

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<v Speaker 1>about this time, you were twelve years old, you made

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<v Speaker 1>your first film appearance. Yes, Naked Gun thirty three and

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<v Speaker 1>a third, the Final Insult. What do you remember about

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<v Speaker 1>being cast on that? I was just through this commercial

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<v Speaker 1>agent this, you know, I think we'd moved on from

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<v Speaker 1>from the first one and then and then they're like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>the thing I was it was like Cunningham was the

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<v Speaker 1>first commercial agency I was with, and then moved to

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of more boutique agency off senset called the

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<v Speaker 1>Sanders Agency, and I think that that's who this was through.

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it was just an audition and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to you have to get your vouchers, you

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<v Speaker 1>have to become taft heartly before you can become SAG eligible.

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<v Speaker 1>And Naked Gun is the thing I think is the

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<v Speaker 1>job that got me taft heartly that like made me

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<v Speaker 1>union eligible, and then doing a re enactor reenaction moment

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<v Speaker 1>in an Unsolved Mysteries episode got me my card. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but the Naked Gun was so exciting and fun. The

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<v Speaker 1>director of that movie directed Tommy Boy, Like his next

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<v Speaker 1>film was Tommy Boy, which is like a cool factoid

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<v Speaker 1>for me. Had I but known, I would have been

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<v Speaker 1>much more of a kiss up one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>same same. We just showed it to our daughters and

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<v Speaker 1>it holds up and they were laughing throughout. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just it's it's timeless, it's it's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>best comedies ever, I think. But it was fun to

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<v Speaker 1>like be on set and my role was in a

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<v Speaker 1>parody of Jurassic Park, so like they'd kind of recreated

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<v Speaker 1>a Jurassic Park set and that was cool. And I

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<v Speaker 1>had a stand in who was like twelve years older

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<v Speaker 1>than me, like a full adult man who just happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be short enough to be my stand in, and

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<v Speaker 1>that was very exciting, and I was like, are we brothers?

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<v Speaker 1>Now we best friends? We ended up not being Unfortunately

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<v Speaker 1>he's he ghosted me. I mean, it's so so interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because you started so early started performing. Did you feel

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<v Speaker 1>a specific affinity for comedy at this point or was

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<v Speaker 1>it was it just about performing or finding whatever job

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<v Speaker 1>you could get, or you know, yeah, I I loved comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>I always as a as an audience member, always skewed

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<v Speaker 1>towards comedies. You know, the works of Jim Carey were

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly influential to me and and inspiring. But in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of like what I could do, I definitely came at it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the first third of my life or career,

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<v Speaker 1>just from trying to do as many different things as possible.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I really love musical theater, I really love drama,

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<v Speaker 1>I love Shakespeare, I love I love a good mystery

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<v Speaker 1>and thriller. And so the sort of goal or or

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<v Speaker 1>career path into comedy was not decided until I was

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of a college that's when that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I saw some of your your earlier roles

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<v Speaker 1>not decidedly not comedic, judging Amy, Touched by an Angel, Roswell.

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<v Speaker 1>You start booking at a number of pretty big shows

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<v Speaker 1>at that time. Was this difficult for you to continue

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<v Speaker 1>to go to school where you schools where you set schooling?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you good? Question? And and and there was a

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<v Speaker 1>moment in time where like kind of coming out. I

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<v Speaker 1>went to a performing arts high school here in Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>and as I was finishing school, I was auditioning a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more and I was getting these guest roles and

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<v Speaker 1>doing well. But then was accepted to u c l

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<v Speaker 1>A for Musical theater and the agency I was with

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<v Speaker 1>actually disbanded, like they close shop, they just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>shut down. And I was like, that's great. I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna focus on school. I'm gonna be a college student.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be here for four years. I'll train and

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<v Speaker 1>then hopefully pick things back up once once I graduate.

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<v Speaker 1>But a show I had done on Nickelodeon, The Amanda Show,

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<v Speaker 1>called back halfway through my freshman year at college and

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<v Speaker 1>they're like, we want to do more episodes with you,

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<v Speaker 1>which was very flattering, very exciting. UM, and I said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have an agent. I've sort of stopped. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of going to school. And the producers were like,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll help you get all that, and they did. They're like,

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<v Speaker 1>they got me an agent, they got me, they got

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<v Speaker 1>me a manager, and which I've never had before. UM,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's sort of like relaunched it. And then by

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<v Speaker 1>the end of that freshman year sort of as a fluke,

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<v Speaker 1>I've gotten I was allowed to audition for Mad TV,

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<v Speaker 1>the sketch show that was on Fox, and got it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's still funny that that happened to me because I

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<v Speaker 1>had not taken an improv sketch stand up class, like

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<v Speaker 1>no training. Um, but just was loud and obnoxious and

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<v Speaker 1>a good mimic I think you know, um and and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that is when I became like comedian Taran

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<v Speaker 1>kill him. Okay, so I gotta I gotta ask you

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<v Speaker 1>about that. So for first off, isn't it crazy? My

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<v Speaker 1>manager and I we still have a joke about this,

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<v Speaker 1>right that all if you're if you're having trouble getting

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<v Speaker 1>a job, all you need to do is book a vacation,

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<v Speaker 1>right like book something that was likely nonrefundable, or you

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<v Speaker 1>have or you have dozens of people counting on you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, plan a wedding. You're gonna get a job. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So that that's fascinating to me. Where you consciously say

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take a little break, I'm gonna go to

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<v Speaker 1>U C l A, I'm gonna train, and then everything

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<v Speaker 1>starts hitting for you. And now I read here that

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<v Speaker 1>first off the Amanda Show, you almost missed your graduation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah I did. Technically I was. I did. I wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to walk because I had to miss the rehearsal.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I booked that job initially and it was very exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>and the shoot dates overlapped with the graduation rehearsal Loxa,

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<v Speaker 1>which is the name of my high school at that time.

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<v Speaker 1>Graduation took place at the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion, which is

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<v Speaker 1>where the officers used to happen before they build the

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<v Speaker 1>Dolby Place, which is really cool, really fancy, nice, nice honor.

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<v Speaker 1>But the school was saying that it was the theater's

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<v Speaker 1>policy that you had to be present for the rehearsal

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<v Speaker 1>and if you weren't there for the rehearsal, you were

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<v Speaker 1>not allowed to walk on the stage. And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh shoot. So I went to I said to the Amandage.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I can't do this job. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna miss out on my graduation and they were

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<v Speaker 1>so they'll they said, we'll do everything we can to

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<v Speaker 1>make sure you're there for the show to do you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we can, we'll show you the dates ahead of time

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<v Speaker 1>and if they can reschedule. And they were so accommodating,

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<v Speaker 1>and the high school for which I was being trained

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<v Speaker 1>to be a professional actor was not that I Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, you know what I'm gonna They're they're

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<v Speaker 1>paying me money. So what happened was true to their word.

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<v Speaker 1>The producers um shot me out early the day of

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<v Speaker 1>my graduation, sent me in a limousine downtown l A

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<v Speaker 1>to the Dorothy Chandler. But then I had to sit

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<v Speaker 1>in the audience for my high school graduation and all

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<v Speaker 1>my classmates walking stupid. It all worked out, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>You and this guy by the name of Keenan Thompson

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<v Speaker 1>I here had the same manager. Mad TV calls for Keenan.

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<v Speaker 1>You get pitched. You did twenty three impressions during your audition.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have twenty three people at this point

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<v Speaker 1>that you can do. Yeah, it's again the mimicry thing,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know, my party trick was too good in

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<v Speaker 1>whatever movie was in theaters, and then come back and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of recreate it, satirize it. So at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>like the WB network was a huge thing, so all

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<v Speaker 1>the Dawson's Creek people, all the Buffy the Vampire Slayer people,

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<v Speaker 1>cruel intentions, your varsity blues, like that was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>my wheelhouse and knowing you know, if Matt TV was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna hire a nineteen year old kid, they probably want

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<v Speaker 1>to capitalize on a more youth oriented point of view.

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<v Speaker 1>It was those. But then you know you're thrown in

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<v Speaker 1>a bono from you two or um at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>Jimmy fallon, Like I did a follon for them, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>for my like official audition, it's it's so kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like juvenile but charming upon reflection. But I like made cards.

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<v Speaker 1>I made, I like did craft cards with like name

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<v Speaker 1>titles as if you know, there was a lower third

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<v Speaker 1>on the screen. But I was gonna be in an office,

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<v Speaker 1>so I made twenty three different cards and I wore

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<v Speaker 1>them around my neck and I would just take one

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<v Speaker 1>off and then do the impression, and take one off

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<v Speaker 1>and do the impression, and so like it and it

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<v Speaker 1>and it helped it. It did help it, I think

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<v Speaker 1>because it required me to do less work. But the

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<v Speaker 1>best part always like even then I was so embarrassed

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<v Speaker 1>because the audition ends and then I got to take

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<v Speaker 1>a solid thirty seconds to collect all these paper cards

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<v Speaker 1>like these. He's a file eleven pieces of paper that

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<v Speaker 1>have scattered all over the floor of this office at

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<v Speaker 1>at Fox Studios. Um. But yeah, but it worked, it worked.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was a very very fortunate, lucky thing

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<v Speaker 1>and and an incredible learning experience for me. I talked

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<v Speaker 1>to Kevin Pollock, who he's actually an amazing impressionist. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean his walking his phenomenal. His walking is really good,

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<v Speaker 1>he said. He also says like he helped Dana come

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<v Speaker 1>up with his George Herbert Walker Bush. He's yeah, Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>was at one of those Halloween parties I was at. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He talked to me about just finding that one hook.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that how you operate as well? Are you looking

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<v Speaker 1>for one characteristic or speech pattern or what do you? Sometimes? Yeah,

0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.320
<v Speaker 1>sometimes of physical affectation helps it, you know what I mean,

0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:36.040
<v Speaker 1>like a mouth shape or I I squinted, you know, like, um,

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<v Speaker 1>it usually starts outward in for me, for you, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>or if there is a melody to it, if there

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<v Speaker 1>is a sound or or a certain rhythm of speech,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's another way in for me. Like when when

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<v Speaker 1>I started doing bread Pitt again. It was that thing

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<v Speaker 1>where I'd seen the movies and then just quoting it

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<v Speaker 1>with friends, people be bold enjoying, going like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah you sound like him, um with with no jokes

0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:09.800
<v Speaker 1>at that point. But um like for Brad Pitt, I

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<v Speaker 1>really really loved and still love seven And there's this,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a speech he does with Morgan Freeman at the

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<v Speaker 1>bar and he goes, you know what, um, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you're quitting because you believe that. I think you

0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:27.080
<v Speaker 1>want to believe that. Because you're quitting. You want me

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<v Speaker 1>to agree with you and say, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's funked it's all funked up. We should all live

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<v Speaker 1>in fucking lord Cabins. But I don't agree with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I do not. Thanks for the drink, and just like

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<v Speaker 1>the rhythm of the Buddhaud but like and then twelve Monkeys,

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<v Speaker 1>he's much more frenetic, and that he's much more physical

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<v Speaker 1>and he does always touch his face. He's always kind

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<v Speaker 1>of licking his lips and his lips moist and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a little like bounce, you know, a little shake to

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<v Speaker 1>the head, a little like I can't even I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have the energy to be this cool. And then

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<v Speaker 1>in Twelve Monkeys he does a lot of that. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, cham yeah, there's like a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>like on them on a pia sounds. So I started

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<v Speaker 1>just button ing like Lou, great to meet you, very

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<v Speaker 1>happy to meet you. And that's that's just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>how that how that one in particular developed and and

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<v Speaker 1>it just always brought me great joy because he's just

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<v Speaker 1>undeniably the most handsome, cool, most unique performers in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the types of roles he chooses. But at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, he has a very um limited vocal range.

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<v Speaker 1>He always sounds like himself, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not like Tom Hardy, who's always gonna make some

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<v Speaker 1>big vocal swing, always bred right right. I see, that's jenious.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. I also love that for you. Physicality

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<v Speaker 1>is so important for you. For me in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>creating a character, I always said that is equally as

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<v Speaker 1>as important how the character moves, how how they hold

0:23:08.640 --> 0:23:12.400
<v Speaker 1>their body, where their holds are lets you know so much. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like I find it. I don't get as self critical

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<v Speaker 1>when I start with the physical, right, like a bad example,

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<v Speaker 1>someone who walks with a limb. You know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>You can feel you're feeling, and it's very real, it's

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<v Speaker 1>very tangible, as opposed to journaling from the point of

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<v Speaker 1>view of somebody or you know, all these internal exercises

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<v Speaker 1>people do. If I start there, it feels false to me,

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<v Speaker 1>like it like I I can get in my head,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what am I? Why am I writing that? What?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these things didn't happen, This wasn't really I'm

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<v Speaker 1>making this up. But if you go in physical and

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<v Speaker 1>you start to feel that, then the thoughts behind it

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<v Speaker 1>become a little bit more, become validated in a way

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<v Speaker 1>to me, I just as I've always found that to

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<v Speaker 1>be more helpful. You know. Yeah, and and shoes are

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<v Speaker 1>really important to me, just because different shoes, different types

0:24:05.080 --> 0:24:08.760
<v Speaker 1>of shoes ground you to the ground in a different

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<v Speaker 1>way and literally creates different body postures, right like, And

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<v Speaker 1>this isn't a job. I'm not even making a joke

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<v Speaker 1>right now, I'm wearing I'm wearing cowboy boots. I appear

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<v Speaker 1>to be a different person when I'm walking down the

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<v Speaker 1>street in these shoes. As my second favorite type of

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<v Speaker 1>shoes a flip flop. You know, it's the dude in

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<v Speaker 1>the Big Lebowski versus put Jeff Bridges in boots and

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<v Speaker 1>he immediately becomes somebody else, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So even if you know, I try, it doesn't always happen.

0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna be totally high maintenance about it. But

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<v Speaker 1>even like if I'm off camera or something and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to be there for somebody else, having the shoes

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<v Speaker 1>is always important for me. Absolutely puts my body in

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<v Speaker 1>a specific position and the way that it affects others too.

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<v Speaker 1>That so, I mean, I've never thought of that, but

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<v Speaker 1>it immediately makes sense to me. Because if you enter

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<v Speaker 1>a room in cowboy boots, people here, you coming in

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<v Speaker 1>a different way than coming in and flip flop. Like

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<v Speaker 1>there's just the sound that those two different kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>shoes make effect. Like flip flops is like, who's this dude,

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.199
<v Speaker 1>you know? And cowboy boots is like, oh do I

0:25:17.240 --> 0:25:20.399
<v Speaker 1>need to be on my guard? You know? Here comes something,

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:25.840
<v Speaker 1>here comes Here's comes the possibility of authority, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's the great dichotomy of me. I wear both

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<v Speaker 1>there you go sometimes the same day. It's great love

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't mind that one bit, not to like

0:25:34.960 --> 0:25:39.040
<v Speaker 1>dig in on feet stuff. But I now have inflamed

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 1>plantar fasciitis. You know. Oh boy, I shot I shot

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<v Speaker 1>a film in Europe this summer. Came home with like

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<v Speaker 1>a chronically sore foot. I was like, I tore something,

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<v Speaker 1>I ripped something. I need surgery. I need to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I go into the pedietry and he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>now as you get older, and I didn't hear anything

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:10.359
<v Speaker 1>he said after that, are you over it? Now? It

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.560
<v Speaker 1>went away? But it it. I've now had like two

0:26:14.680 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 1>bouts of it. Like I was able to kind of

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.840
<v Speaker 1>curb it and it's excided and then I reaggravated it.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently it has everything to do with being an

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<v Speaker 1>old dummy. Yeah kind of. But I will tell you this.

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<v Speaker 1>I was shooting something for NFL Network and this has

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<v Speaker 1>been I don't know, six seven, eight years and was

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<v Speaker 1>there with two young NFL players at the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about flip things. I don't know why

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<v Speaker 1>we weren't. It wasn't sexual, I promised, and they said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you get pedicures, right. I was like, oh, I don't

0:26:51.040 --> 0:26:54.720
<v Speaker 1>get pedicures. They're like, why not? Literally, you're walking around

0:26:54.720 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>on those things every single day of your life. You

0:26:57.680 --> 0:27:00.639
<v Speaker 1>gotta take care of them. Wow. And I was like,

0:27:01.560 --> 0:27:05.960
<v Speaker 1>you guys, you guys get pedicures, and they're like absolutely,

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you, It's totally changed my life. Interesting enquire

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:15.240
<v Speaker 1>about frequency. I mean, ideally we're talking every month to

0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:19.359
<v Speaker 1>six weeks. Okay, that's very reasonable. And I you know,

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I play. Everybody's tuning out now. I talk about this

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.679
<v Speaker 1>too much, but I play a lot of golf, and

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<v Speaker 1>I like to walk, and I play golf tournaments and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, sometimes golf shoes are a little pointed at

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<v Speaker 1>the end. It can cause can cause issues. Since I

0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>started this, it is it is night and day for me.

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>And I'm talking about playing three, four, five times walking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, you feet are gonna get so,

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, tired or whatever. But the pain that I

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>had before it doesn't exist anymore. Phenomenal. All right, you're

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 1>giving me. That is the gift I am giving you today. Um.

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Now back to Mad TV in the Groundlings. You start

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.320
<v Speaker 1>studying at the Groundlings. Yeah, So many of the people

0:28:05.440 --> 0:28:08.600
<v Speaker 1>that I really loved working with it Mad had come

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:12.680
<v Speaker 1>from there, had trained there. Michael Hitchcock in particular, Jennifer Joyce,

0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Michael McDonald and I had obviously heard of the Groundlings

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and knew of it, and actually even had a buddy

0:28:19.200 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>from college going through it, mikey Day who's now on

0:28:22.200 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 1>Saturday Night Live. But because I did come in so

0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 1>inexperienced but fell in love so deeply with the format

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>of sketch and the people who I looked up to

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 1>almost consistently across the board happened to be Groundling, you know,

0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.680
<v Speaker 1>so kind of just for fun more than anything. I

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 1>signed up for a class with my buddy Kyle and

0:28:43.240 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>the Seam who was also on SNL and me, and

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:49.920
<v Speaker 1>it was not, uh, result oriented. It was more like,

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 1>let's just experience what this is like and what we

0:28:52.320 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 1>can learn from it. And thank goodness because everything that

0:28:56.800 --> 0:28:59.680
<v Speaker 1>has happened since I joined up with the Groundlings Theater

0:29:00.080 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 1>is because of that that establishment. Wow, um, you're doing

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:07.200
<v Speaker 1>a show at the Groundlings and you get an opportunity

0:29:07.360 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 1>to perform for Lauren Michaels, Now did you know he

0:29:11.080 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>was there? Know? What happened was I was in the

0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:17.760
<v Speaker 1>Sunday Company, which is sort of like the Junior Come.

0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>This is prestigious people, the Sunday Company at the ground. Yes,

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>for my money. If if you happen to be in

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles and want to see good sketch comedy, for

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>my money, the Sunday Company shows the one most worth

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:33.840
<v Speaker 1>seeing because what you're doing is writing a brand new

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:37.680
<v Speaker 1>show every week. Um, so we were, so we were

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.920
<v Speaker 1>doing the show comeback at intermission, and they've written on

0:29:39.960 --> 0:29:42.440
<v Speaker 1>the dry race board. By the way, Lauren Michaels was

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.440
<v Speaker 1>an audience tonight, and the dry race board in a

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 1>sketch comedy theater very frequently is used for stupid bits

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 1>and not for any since your messaging, so I kind

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 1>of laughed it off. It wasn't like toward like later

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.239
<v Speaker 1>in the second half where people like, no, he was

0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:01.840
<v Speaker 1>he left, He he was here, but he left. And

0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 1>I believe he had come to see the seam in

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>particular because she had put it. She had done a

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:10.479
<v Speaker 1>one woman show, she put together a tape. So he

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 1>came and and that was Yeah, that was the first

0:30:13.400 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>chance that I had to be seen by s n L.

0:30:16.880 --> 0:30:19.800
<v Speaker 1>And then they flew four of us and seeing myself,

0:30:20.240 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 1>Gillian Bell and Greg Roman out to audition, like less

0:30:24.400 --> 0:30:29.720
<v Speaker 1>than a month later, was this another opportunity, another job

0:30:29.800 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>for you or did this hold a special significance for

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.920
<v Speaker 1>you at that time? I mean, I my my process

0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.800
<v Speaker 1>with SNL was I had auditioned twice that year, didn't

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>get it, audition a third time a year later, and

0:30:44.560 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 1>that's when I got the job. By the time I

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 1>was working my way up in the groundlings, in the

0:30:49.600 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 1>writing lab and advanced class s, n L had become

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>like the dream goal, right like that, And and I

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>had confidence that if I have had the opportunity to

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 1>be seen, because there's a little bit of circumstance, right

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 1>It's like some some of the most talented, funniest sketch

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>performers in the world just didn't fall in a window

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 1>where SNL needed people or needed that type, or happened

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:17.800
<v Speaker 1>to be looking whatever. There's so much luck and circumstance

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 1>in this industry. But I did know if I got

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>seen and if I was able to audition, I would

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>have a good shot. I just felt confident about that.

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>And so the first audition was like validation of that.

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Like it was kind of a party. It was like

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.320
<v Speaker 1>me and three of my favorite people to perform with

0:31:35.480 --> 0:31:38.920
<v Speaker 1>flying to New York, which was so exciting, Like I

0:31:39.040 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>even paid for a limousine to like pick us up

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 1>from the airport and drive us into Manhattan. And I

0:31:44.920 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 1>made a mix c D of all New York theme songs,

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>um and it was just it was a party. It

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 1>was just like I've been invited there to perform, you know,

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>in this inside, this hallowed ground to me, this like

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:03.560
<v Speaker 1>this institution, this temple of comedy, if you will. So

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the first time was just fun and just about soak

0:32:06.280 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 1>it all in and no matter what, they saw you

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:12.520
<v Speaker 1>and they said that, yes, you're good enough to be considered,

0:32:12.720 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, and that was enough. And truly I was

0:32:16.240 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>had already made peace with that before I even auditioned,

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. It's it's just like great, great,

0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>that that's that's a thumbs up from a show that

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:27.200
<v Speaker 1>truly has shaped my sensibilities. They're going like, yeah, we

0:32:27.280 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like what you do good enough. Then I find out

0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks after my audition they like you

0:32:33.160 --> 0:32:36.120
<v Speaker 1>and they want to bring you back. And for whatever reason,

0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 1>that like just changed the molecular structure of it for me,

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.160
<v Speaker 1>because then it became like, oh, now it's mine to lose.

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Now they they said yes, but now they're they're like

0:32:45.480 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 1>on on a razor's edge of whether or not to

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:49.360
<v Speaker 1>do it. So if I give everything I can, then

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:53.760
<v Speaker 1>then it's it's within my grasp um. But also I've

0:32:53.800 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>got to give them five new minutes of material, and

0:32:56.720 --> 0:32:58.800
<v Speaker 1>so it's all gonna be the stuff I cut out

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:01.600
<v Speaker 1>of the first audition, right, And the second one went

0:33:01.800 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 1>fine ish, and they even said after it like, it's

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:07.280
<v Speaker 1>not now, but it's not never, and he's on our radar.

0:33:07.360 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>And I took that with a grain of salt, and

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:11.240
<v Speaker 1>then true to their word, a year later they called

0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>out of the blue. Really, they hadn't even seen me

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 1>perform again. They just kind of called me up and uh.

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:18.320
<v Speaker 1>And the third time was a charm. What was your

0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:23.520
<v Speaker 1>favorite character you created on this? And now? I mean

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>I really loved the French dance sketches we would do,

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 1>which was like a really weird warped like what is

0:33:32.480 --> 0:33:36.840
<v Speaker 1>the CW for France based off if you had to

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:40.800
<v Speaker 1>design what a teen show is in France based off

0:33:40.840 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 1>of American stereotypes? Those are like putting on a show.

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:46.760
<v Speaker 1>They were like a little different because they weren't like

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>written joke sketches. They were performative, physical pieces. So they're

0:33:50.720 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>always so joyful to perform. Um. A character that I

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:58.120
<v Speaker 1>had done at Groundlings, like was this character Eddie who

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 1>we did it with Justin Bieber, and like, he's this

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>insecure older brother who's trying to intimidate his younger sister's

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:08.800
<v Speaker 1>boyfriend who's nothing but impressive, and the only thing he

0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.960
<v Speaker 1>can hold onto is that the guy says, it's glass

0:34:11.000 --> 0:34:12.880
<v Speaker 1>to meet you. Sorry, glad to meet you, Nice to

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:15.839
<v Speaker 1>meet you, and he won't let up about that. Just

0:34:16.800 --> 0:34:19.440
<v Speaker 1>the pettiness of that. Um and then and then I

0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>loved the Meryville Brothers that we did, which was kind

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:24.640
<v Speaker 1>of like based off of a physical thing I've done

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:27.239
<v Speaker 1>a Groundlings, but we kind of created its own structure.

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Rob Klein and Ken Sublett and I did like these

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>possessed animatronic creatures that like if you go to like,

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:39.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, a state fair carnival, the poor manufacturing is

0:34:39.360 --> 0:34:43.320
<v Speaker 1>horrifying in itself. It's like even if it's the sweetest

0:34:43.360 --> 0:34:47.280
<v Speaker 1>little like you know, like hey, come to Lollipop Land,

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>it's somehow more terrifying than if it was like a

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:57.280
<v Speaker 1>killer clown, your favorite impression or person you impersonated. Coming

0:34:57.320 --> 0:35:00.200
<v Speaker 1>onto the show, I was I was always proud out

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of my Brad Pitt, but like, you put something on

0:35:02.400 --> 0:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>a national stage and it's a very good indicator of

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:09.239
<v Speaker 1>how subjective something like I love it, and there are

0:35:09.239 --> 0:35:10.960
<v Speaker 1>groups of people who love it, but it was not

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:15.200
<v Speaker 1>like widely received. Um. But one that I kind of

0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 1>like developed on the show was Christoph Waltz. Was always

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.800
<v Speaker 1>really really fun to do and just such a great

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:26.280
<v Speaker 1>character in him in and of himself, and he hosted

0:35:26.600 --> 0:35:28.600
<v Speaker 1>while I was there, and then I got to do

0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 1>him for Celebrity Jeopardy at the fortieth anniversary, and that

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:36.440
<v Speaker 1>was that was really cool. That was genius. You got

0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:41.440
<v Speaker 1>to meet so many incredible people who hosted who surprised

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>you the most with how funny they were. It was

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:48.919
<v Speaker 1>always the like former kid performers, like anybody who came

0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>from like multi Cam Disney Show or Nickelodeon show who

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:56.920
<v Speaker 1>then most likely transitioned into music. So I'm thinking like

0:35:57.000 --> 0:36:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Timberlake or Miley Cyrus or Dre even Drake had done

0:36:01.239 --> 0:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>Degrassi Junior High before becoming Drake as we know him now.

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.000
<v Speaker 1>But they just have it built into their d NA,

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>like how to perform for a crowd, how to cheat

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>out how to play to the fourth wall, how did

0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>it you know, the timing of a joke. So they

0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>were always the most fun, just because you could tell

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.719
<v Speaker 1>that they got it, you know, right away, and they

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.160
<v Speaker 1>made things better. You didn't have to write around them.

0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 1>You could write something for you to do together and

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>know that they would pull it off or make it

0:36:29.960 --> 0:36:34.760
<v Speaker 1>even better. I also hear Drake hosted a big after party, yeah,

0:36:34.800 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>because he hosted a few times. I think he even

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:39.719
<v Speaker 1>hosted once after I was on the show maybe. But

0:36:39.800 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>the one I think you're talking about is he rented

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 1>out the David Busters and Times Square and free drinks

0:36:46.560 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>and everybody got like a cup full of tokens to

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:53.279
<v Speaker 1>play games. But he also flew in I guess, a

0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.560
<v Speaker 1>bunch of dancers from a strip club that he's like

0:36:55.600 --> 0:37:00.000
<v Speaker 1>a co owner of in Toronto. So there's a very

0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:04.359
<v Speaker 1>wrong divide of attendees at that after after. This isn't

0:37:04.400 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the after party, this is the after after. So this

0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 1>is getting going at like three am, and it's like

0:37:11.280 --> 0:37:14.240
<v Speaker 1>half of the David Busters is filled with like comedy

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 1>performer writers who are actually playing the games, and half

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:23.799
<v Speaker 1>are just like very attractive stripper girls who are just

0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>doing everything they can to position themselves close to Drake,

0:37:27.320 --> 0:37:29.920
<v Speaker 1>who's standing with his buddy at the DJ booth. So

0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.759
<v Speaker 1>it's just like it's just a really great kind of

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:39.200
<v Speaker 1>like dichotomy of of people with different goals. Yeah, the

0:37:39.320 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 1>after after parties at SNL, well, I've been lucky enough

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>to go to a few. Yeah. I think it was

0:37:45.920 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 1>probably good that I never never was a cast member

0:37:49.400 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 1>on that show. I don't know that I could have

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>done twenty of them, just the stamina wise. I mean definitely,

0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 1>like when you start out, you want to go to

0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:58.960
<v Speaker 1>as many as you can possibly can, and then you

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of grow out of them quickly. By the time

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I got there, I don't think Bill Hater even went

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.279
<v Speaker 1>to like the first after party and it's like, what,

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.640
<v Speaker 1>you're crazy, man, this is the best job ever. We're

0:38:08.680 --> 0:38:13.719
<v Speaker 1>never gonna die. Uh. And then like halfway through season two,

0:38:14.360 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 1>Bill was right, it was right. So did you do

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:22.359
<v Speaker 1>you've done like after afters? Like, oh, no, I've done it.

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:26.720
<v Speaker 1>Do you remember what locations they were? Because it changes

0:38:27.040 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 1>the after after especially well the after after. Yeah, I

0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:34.399
<v Speaker 1>will never be able and probably shouldn't pull the name

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:38.160
<v Speaker 1>of that. But very dark bar, Very Dark and I'm

0:38:38.200 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 1>sure that's all intentional. One of them was it was

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 1>a season finale, so I think it was like there

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.759
<v Speaker 1>in Rockefeller Center was the after and then there was

0:38:49.800 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 1>somewhere else. And here's the thing. You have to understand.

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:58.359
<v Speaker 1>You don't leave the show until after midnight, and so

0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.760
<v Speaker 1>you're like, have dinner at one thirty in the morning,

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.920
<v Speaker 1>and suddenly things get later. But it doesn't. It weirdly

0:39:05.960 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 1>doesn't feel that way because it's the whole energy of it.

0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:12.000
<v Speaker 1>And they it's always it's like this dark, dark bar

0:39:12.760 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>and suddenly you're like, okay, it's time to go, and

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:20.720
<v Speaker 1>you open that door and it is bright. It is bright,

0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>bright on the streets of New York and everyone is

0:39:24.640 --> 0:39:29.120
<v Speaker 1>moving fast. It's uh, it's a it's a thing like

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>what what other job ever? Is it like that? And

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>that's that's a weekly occurrence too. I know, yeah, I know,

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:58.000
<v Speaker 1>I know. It's it's insane. Around the time you were

0:39:58.040 --> 0:40:01.680
<v Speaker 1>leaving us an l you took on another just such

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 1>an exciting project, writer director star killing Gunther with Arnold Schwarzenegger.

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 1>How did Arnold get become part of this project? Again?

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 1>Just just sort of random circumstance, um like we just

0:40:16.840 --> 0:40:21.440
<v Speaker 1>overshot the mark, like that film was conceived and and

0:40:21.480 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 1>always intended to be like scrappy production, let's put on

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:27.640
<v Speaker 1>a show. We'll put on a show. And the benefit

0:40:27.680 --> 0:40:30.720
<v Speaker 1>of snl IS is that it's such a respected place

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:34.239
<v Speaker 1>people will listen to you and and I was not

0:40:34.719 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>used to that in any of my previous job. So

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:40.400
<v Speaker 1>I in the script in its original form, there was

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:42.239
<v Speaker 1>always going to be this cameo at the end of

0:40:42.239 --> 0:40:43.759
<v Speaker 1>the movie, and I was like, Oh, it would be

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:46.759
<v Speaker 1>fun to like casually get a name, Like could you

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.560
<v Speaker 1>imagine if we got Jeff Goldbloom, Like how cool would

0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:52.520
<v Speaker 1>that be? And I we sort of went down the list,

0:40:52.880 --> 0:40:55.719
<v Speaker 1>and Bruce Willis had hosted and I'd had a really

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 1>good week, good experience with him, so we reached out.

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:02.800
<v Speaker 1>He took a while to consider it and then ultimately passed.

0:41:03.280 --> 0:41:06.279
<v Speaker 1>But his reps were also Arnold's reps, and they're like,

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:08.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, Arnold hasn't been doing a ton of acting,

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:10.440
<v Speaker 1>and he says he's ready to kind of get back

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:13.399
<v Speaker 1>into it, and he loves doing comedy and he thinks

0:41:13.440 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that this place do his strang like they're selling me

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:23.760
<v Speaker 1>on Arnold Schwartzeneger like, let me think about it. Um,

0:41:23.800 --> 0:41:26.279
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, so he read it and said yes, and

0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:30.880
<v Speaker 1>him coming on board was like the biggest, most exciting

0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 1>thing ever. But I also, I know, in hindsight now

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:40.319
<v Speaker 1>like was not prepared enough to pivot the project when

0:41:40.360 --> 0:41:45.160
<v Speaker 1>you have the world's biggest action star agreeing to do

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 1>your silly, little scrappy hitman comedy. If I knew then

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.280
<v Speaker 1>what I know now, I definitely would have like used

0:41:52.440 --> 0:41:54.920
<v Speaker 1>as him as in a much larger capacity, you know,

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:57.400
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily with more shooting days or whatever, but you

0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>want to build it around him because I think what

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I what I hear from the biggest criticism of it

0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:05.160
<v Speaker 1>is like, we love Arnold, but we do have to

0:42:05.160 --> 0:42:07.520
<v Speaker 1>wait an hour and fifteen minutes before we see him.

0:42:07.960 --> 0:42:12.399
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, yep, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um.

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 1>But he was the best. He was a pro man.

0:42:14.800 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>He was like the pro of all pros. And I

0:42:16.960 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>don't just mean prepared, which he was such a pleasure

0:42:20.000 --> 0:42:24.960
<v Speaker 1>to work with, the graciousness with every person he crossed

0:42:25.280 --> 0:42:27.879
<v Speaker 1>paths with on the street and from our crew, from

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>our cast. He's he is a movie star, capital M

0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>capital s and it was so so fun to work

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 1>with him. How great is that to hear? I love

0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 1>to hear that. Yeah, you see it, you see the

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:44.960
<v Speaker 1>extra gear. Like that's what it was for me, is

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.839
<v Speaker 1>that it was It was a master class. And like

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>complete authenticity, that was the other thing. Like it never

0:42:52.120 --> 0:42:55.239
<v Speaker 1>felt contrived, never felt forced, And he was very good

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:59.560
<v Speaker 1>at also setting boundaries and limits and like good to

0:42:59.560 --> 0:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>see good, Like he just clearly had been in a

0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand bajillion interactions and had really honed how to be

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>a man of the people. You know, obviously also through

0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:14.560
<v Speaker 1>his political career. But yeah, but just a just loving

0:43:14.960 --> 0:43:18.040
<v Speaker 1>the process. Again, Like if you just love the process

0:43:18.160 --> 0:43:21.480
<v Speaker 1>of hanging out with a group and collaborating and being artistic,

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 1>all the all the money for status, fame stuff ultimately

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:31.719
<v Speaker 1>becomes less important because you're already so fulfilled in in

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 1>just the craft of creating. And and he had that.

0:43:35.600 --> 0:43:39.680
<v Speaker 1>He was awesome. You have this experience you direct killing

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:43.960
<v Speaker 1>guntherer you then now I'm I'm really gonna fanboy here

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>for a second. And also I think that one of

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the greatest comedic, powerful characters on the stage over the

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>last twenty five years is King George the third in Hamilt,

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:03.200
<v Speaker 1>in which you have the opportunity to go and play

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 1>on Broadway. I cannot tell you how much I love

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that role. I love it so much. Talk to me

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:15.640
<v Speaker 1>about that, Like, what was it like for you after

0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>all of this time on SNL to kind of go

0:44:19.200 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 1>back to those theater roots and play a part that

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:28.280
<v Speaker 1>quite frankly has a really low lift job night tonight,

0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 1>yet consistently steals the show. Yeah, I mean, there's certainly

0:44:35.160 --> 0:44:39.240
<v Speaker 1>was symmetry to it of like I achieved this dream goal,

0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, I can't believe how fortunate I am and

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.719
<v Speaker 1>then found my way back to musical theater. Did not

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 1>just any musical theater, but the most popular, beloved musical

0:44:52.120 --> 0:44:56.000
<v Speaker 1>theater production certainly of the last twenty years, but but

0:44:56.719 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 1>arguably in history like that shows is just a masterpiece.

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>In my humble opinion, it was certainly surreal. I suddenly, um,

0:45:07.160 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't felt that level of nervousness because it was

0:45:11.760 --> 0:45:15.880
<v Speaker 1>such a beloved piece, because the reputation of this show

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.920
<v Speaker 1>was bigger than any part in it any person. Like

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, my daughters at school and there's six and

0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.320
<v Speaker 1>seven year old kids with like a dot Ham hats

0:45:26.360 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>and a dot burr. Um. It just it just penetrated

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:34.760
<v Speaker 1>culture in a way that few things have on that level,

0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:38.879
<v Speaker 1>and you were constantly surrounded by reminders of that. So

0:45:40.000 --> 0:45:45.279
<v Speaker 1>jumping into this well, well oiled machine, I put a

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:48.759
<v Speaker 1>lot of pressure on myself to to kind of, you know,

0:45:49.280 --> 0:45:53.160
<v Speaker 1>step up and match the caliber of quality that Hamilton's deserves,

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:56.759
<v Speaker 1>and and worked really hard at that and eventually was

0:45:56.800 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>able to settle into the joy of doing eight shows

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 1>a week, and and that you go okay, and you

0:46:01.239 --> 0:46:03.560
<v Speaker 1>get more confident, and you can try new things, and

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 1>you discover new moments that, oh, that's good and that

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.439
<v Speaker 1>always gets a laugh, and you discover a thing where

0:46:08.440 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 1>you go like, no, that's off game. We tried that

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.680
<v Speaker 1>once and we'll never go back to it. Um. I

0:46:14.760 --> 0:46:16.640
<v Speaker 1>loved it. I loved it. And you know, I did

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the show for three months, which was like a really healthy,

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 1>very short period of time comparatively because sort of like

0:46:23.640 --> 0:46:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the minimum run anyone doesn't in Broadway shows about six months.

0:46:27.239 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 1>So but it was just it was just rewarding on

0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 1>a daily basis to work with such a talented group

0:46:35.280 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>of people in such new ways, you know what I mean.

0:46:37.480 --> 0:46:43.040
<v Speaker 1>These incredible dancers, these incredible musicians, the designers, the directors,

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 1>that everybody, and then to create an experience eight times

0:46:48.360 --> 0:46:55.799
<v Speaker 1>a week for people. Each show never lost its um.

0:46:55.960 --> 0:46:58.560
<v Speaker 1>It was always emotional, quite honest, like you'd finished the

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:01.799
<v Speaker 1>show and you'd feel emotional. It never felt like a

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:06.200
<v Speaker 1>grind or it never felt not special. Each performance there

0:47:06.280 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 1>was always something happening either in the audience or on

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:12.439
<v Speaker 1>stage with with with the cast that just made made

0:47:12.440 --> 0:47:16.800
<v Speaker 1>it so special and that will forever be like what's

0:47:16.880 --> 0:47:19.640
<v Speaker 1>your favorite job you've ever had? It's hard not to

0:47:19.719 --> 0:47:22.799
<v Speaker 1>think of that one first. You know, I don't know

0:47:23.239 --> 0:47:27.399
<v Speaker 1>Lenn Manuel Miranda, and I certainly don't mean any disrespect

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:30.480
<v Speaker 1>about this. This may this may be the craziest theory

0:47:30.640 --> 0:47:34.720
<v Speaker 1>in the history of of anything. Here's my theory. Okay.

0:47:34.760 --> 0:47:37.920
<v Speaker 1>When I was a kid, Dorothy in The Wizard of Oz,

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:42.279
<v Speaker 1>the Scarecrow, the ten Man, these were all I had

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 1>zero interest in. These characters. I had zero in And

0:47:45.760 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 1>by the way, there they maintain most of the screen

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:51.000
<v Speaker 1>time of The Wizard of Oz spoiler alert for those

0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 1>of you who haven't seen The Wizard of Bryan. No,

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>the Wicked Witch, to me is the greatest role. But

0:47:58.120 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 1>more than that, I want to talk dis these early

0:48:01.080 --> 0:48:05.520
<v Speaker 1>Disney movies, The Little Mermaid, Ursula, the Sea Witch, to

0:48:05.600 --> 0:48:10.160
<v Speaker 1>me is hilarious, and these were the always the parts

0:48:10.160 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 1>that we're fascinating to me, like the evil villain roles,

0:48:15.040 --> 0:48:19.600
<v Speaker 1>because you know, to me, comedy always brings a complexity.

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:23.879
<v Speaker 1>That's my problem with so much like straight drama, if

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:26.840
<v Speaker 1>you will, is just like wait a second, like people

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:31.000
<v Speaker 1>do make jokes occasionally or like use sarcasm or whatever.

0:48:31.840 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I love that and I see that role in that history.

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 1>There's no question here. By the way, I'm just telling

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:40.839
<v Speaker 1>you this is the theory that I have. I think

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you're right on the money. It's there's a there's an

0:48:43.200 --> 0:48:47.040
<v Speaker 1>archetype there, and you know, Ponscious Pilot from Jesus Christ.

0:48:47.080 --> 0:48:51.280
<v Speaker 1>Superstar was always something that I referenced. But Little Mermaid

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 1>and Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin. This is Howard

0:48:54.520 --> 0:48:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Ashman and Alan Mankin seemed to really um understand the

0:49:00.680 --> 0:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>necessity of exactly what you're saying, of of of brevity

0:49:05.480 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>within darkness, right of humor, within the shadow that exists

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.279
<v Speaker 1>in all of us. And Little Shop of Horrors has

0:49:12.320 --> 0:49:16.200
<v Speaker 1>that in in the dentist, the dentist, Yes, totally yeah,

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, No, I think you're absolutely right. I mean, yeah,

0:49:19.760 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 1>that Ursula's song is so phenomenal because it's really your

0:49:25.160 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 1>first intro to her, to that character. This is not

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.120
<v Speaker 1>a character as you you know, you pointed out with

0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the Wicked Witch of the West. You don't spend as

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 1>much time with that character. But by the end of

0:49:35.600 --> 0:49:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Poor Unfortunate Souls, you know everything and want more from

0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 1>this character from her, you know. Yeah, Well, anyway, and

0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:48.319
<v Speaker 1>I love that you said that will always be the

0:49:48.360 --> 0:49:51.839
<v Speaker 1>favorite role you ever played. Um. But out of that,

0:49:52.280 --> 0:49:56.040
<v Speaker 1>your first time headlining a sitcom, Single Parents, Latent Meester

0:49:56.360 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Brad Garrett, what was it like for you after spend

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:05.080
<v Speaker 1>so much time creating new shows and new characters week

0:50:05.120 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 1>after week Mad TV S and L specifically, was there

0:50:08.920 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a difference for you in terms of exploring that singular

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:17.279
<v Speaker 1>character week after week. Absolutely, yeah, the consistency of it,

0:50:17.360 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and as opposed to starting from scratch every week, you

0:50:20.600 --> 0:50:22.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of got to create a collage, you know, and

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you kept adding PC, kept discovering new things about this character.

0:50:26.120 --> 0:50:29.319
<v Speaker 1>From the performance standpoint, I mean, I got I love

0:50:29.440 --> 0:50:34.080
<v Speaker 1>that job so much because we all just really liked

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>each other off camera too, which is I'm important hopefully

0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 1>you've been. Yeah, it's a shame that it needs to

0:50:40.640 --> 0:50:44.280
<v Speaker 1>be said that that special, but it is, you know, um,

0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:47.160
<v Speaker 1>we really it was really a great group. And I

0:50:47.360 --> 0:50:50.880
<v Speaker 1>just love the premise when when Liz Meryweather pitched me

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>the idea originally she's like a group of single parents. Figure,

0:50:53.640 --> 0:50:56.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I can't believe that hasn't been a world

0:50:56.760 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 1>explored in a show yet, because I think that there's

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:03.280
<v Speaker 1>no or admirable plight than a than a single parent,

0:51:03.400 --> 0:51:05.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, trying to work and trying to raise and

0:51:05.680 --> 0:51:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the balance of that is it's hard enough with two parents,

0:51:08.880 --> 0:51:11.680
<v Speaker 1>you know. And yeah, and just really really enjoyed it

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.120
<v Speaker 1>and and you're I mean, your question kind of hit

0:51:14.120 --> 0:51:17.040
<v Speaker 1>the nail on the head. It was definitely a different

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:20.680
<v Speaker 1>sensation to like, oh, I'm playing this guy all the time.

0:51:21.680 --> 0:51:23.879
<v Speaker 1>I found it very comfortable. I found like, I really

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.640
<v Speaker 1>enjoyed it, and I found there's such an endearing nous

0:51:26.640 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 1>to a network sitcom where you know what they're trying

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to appeal to sort of the broadest audience possible. But yeah,

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I loved it, and it was also like moving back

0:51:37.400 --> 0:51:42.319
<v Speaker 1>to Los Angeles, new city, trying to get settled. That

0:51:42.480 --> 0:51:45.120
<v Speaker 1>job really held me. It's like the consistency of it

0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and the stability of it was such a beautiful gift

0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.640
<v Speaker 1>for me and for my family. And I would have

0:51:50.680 --> 0:51:52.560
<v Speaker 1>done it if they'd let us do it more of it,

0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I would have done it for forever. Yeah. Uh, youth

0:51:56.000 --> 0:52:00.640
<v Speaker 1>sports fan. I'm a very big football fan. Okay, Um,

0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>that's my new my new job. And I know you

0:52:04.560 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 1>just you let me trans just well, yeah, I give

0:52:07.719 --> 0:52:10.680
<v Speaker 1>it up as an open ended question. This is not

0:52:10.800 --> 0:52:16.759
<v Speaker 1>Jay Leno. This is this is I grew up playing

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 1>sports Los Angeles. What's the deal with I hear you've

0:52:18.640 --> 0:52:24.120
<v Speaker 1>been in Los Angeles but primarily football. Yeah, I grew

0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 1>up playing baseball and soccer mostly like for you know,

0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a solid decade. Um. Always really enjoyed the culture surrounding football,

0:52:35.239 --> 0:52:38.560
<v Speaker 1>the gathering on Sundays, the Super Bowl parties, the rooting

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.279
<v Speaker 1>for your team. Um. I just was always drawn to

0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>that and surrounded by that. But being from l A,

0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 1>did not have a team of my own to identify

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.640
<v Speaker 1>with for for most of my life. So always promised

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:53.719
<v Speaker 1>that when we got a team back, which I was

0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.759
<v Speaker 1>confident we would that I was going all in from

0:52:56.920 --> 0:53:01.640
<v Speaker 1>the new ground ground floor, which one the St. Louis

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Rams were, you know, obviously a huge part of the

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:09.239
<v Speaker 1>franchise history, and then Los Angeles before that. But um,

0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>I've been I've been all in since they returned in

0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:18.399
<v Speaker 1>two thous You can't watch football now without seeing this

0:53:18.440 --> 0:53:23.319
<v Speaker 1>guy talking about his new show, The NFL Pylon. It's

0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:26.640
<v Speaker 1>a brilliant idea. I have worked in the world of

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.200
<v Speaker 1>sports as well, and here's the thing that I find

0:53:29.360 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 1>so amazing is how engaging, fun personable, funny, talented so

0:53:35.680 --> 0:53:39.439
<v Speaker 1>many of the players are. Um. Have you had any

0:53:39.480 --> 0:53:43.359
<v Speaker 1>opportunities to meet players that have surprised you thus far

0:53:43.680 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 1>or have been some of your favorites that maybe you

0:53:45.560 --> 0:53:49.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't know before from working on We've had some people.

0:53:49.719 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 1>Initially we had like more casual players turned commentators, UM,

0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:59.920
<v Speaker 1>rich Orneberger, UM, UM, Jered Quick Campbell. Claius is younger

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.840
<v Speaker 1>brother who did actually you know, he played on a

0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:06.640
<v Speaker 1>practice team professionally, Um. But then we got DeMarcus Ware,

0:54:07.120 --> 0:54:10.719
<v Speaker 1>which was fantastic and intimidating and what's this going to be?

0:54:11.360 --> 0:54:16.799
<v Speaker 1>And he set the precedent of as you said, in

0:54:16.800 --> 0:54:20.719
<v Speaker 1>your setup, Like there's so much charisma and there's so

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:24.279
<v Speaker 1>there's there's so many other uh facets to the to

0:54:24.400 --> 0:54:28.480
<v Speaker 1>these professional athletes where you think they're driven, you think

0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:32.120
<v Speaker 1>they're jocks and singular focus and win win, but I

0:54:32.160 --> 0:54:36.080
<v Speaker 1>think more often than not, they need to have a

0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:39.240
<v Speaker 1>flip side to that, right, Like because they're so driven

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<v Speaker 1>in their athletic career, they they want to laugh and

0:54:43.160 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 1>make fun of themselves and a football more than anybody.

0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:51.040
<v Speaker 1>Um and DeMarcus was phenomenal and he hated DeMarcus Is.

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Remarkus Is was the segment we wrote for him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was just a huge Anglio Anglo file and very

0:54:57.480 --> 0:55:00.719
<v Speaker 1>excited that that he loves he loves England first and

0:55:00.760 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 1>foremost in football second and was really funny. And then

0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:08.239
<v Speaker 1>we had Ricky Williams come on and he killed it.

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<v Speaker 1>He was amazing. And then people we've had Sherman, Richard

0:55:11.200 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Sherman's done stuff for us, Andrew Whitworth, we had Jimmy

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<v Speaker 1>Johnson code you know. So we have found in our

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<v Speaker 1>very new eight episodes of this NFL produced comedy show

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<v Speaker 1>that particularly athletes and coaches are very excited to participate

0:55:27.920 --> 0:55:33.200
<v Speaker 1>in something ridiculous because everything else is so laser focused

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:36.440
<v Speaker 1>and buttoned up. So it's, uh, it's cool to be

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 1>that outlet for them. It's it's genius too, because look,

0:55:41.680 --> 0:55:44.960
<v Speaker 1>the NFL, if they're not taking over the world, they're

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:49.440
<v Speaker 1>taking over live television for sure. And you know, nobody

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:54.360
<v Speaker 1>watches anything sports included, uh, like they watch the NFL.

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 1>And so you know, I've been saying forever giving alternative programming,

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:05.439
<v Speaker 1>that's fun, that focus is still on the key storylines

0:56:05.600 --> 0:56:08.879
<v Speaker 1>and people of the NFL, that people eat it up.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so happy for your success on that. I is

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<v Speaker 1>really really fun, and just keep keep killing it, keep

0:56:18.440 --> 0:56:20.920
<v Speaker 1>entertaining football fans. But here's the thing, you don't even

0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:25.359
<v Speaker 1>have to be a football fan to enjoy you and that, yeah,

0:56:25.400 --> 0:56:28.759
<v Speaker 1>I mean you know that that's the weird juxtaposition of

0:56:28.800 --> 0:56:33.000
<v Speaker 1>my interests, right, Like I am a I'm a legitimate

0:56:33.000 --> 0:56:35.759
<v Speaker 1>football fan. That's that's why Prime reached out to me,

0:56:35.920 --> 0:56:38.680
<v Speaker 1>just because I'm If you happen to follow me on

0:56:38.719 --> 0:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>social media, it's pretty much the most dominant topic in

0:56:42.680 --> 0:56:45.640
<v Speaker 1>my Instagram feed. It's my passion for the RAMS. So

0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 1>they knew that there was a legitimacy to my interests

0:56:48.920 --> 0:56:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and my love and knowledge of football. But listen spoiler

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<v Speaker 1>alert exclusive. We're opening up with a Sweeney Todd bit

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<v Speaker 1>this week, So I gat to you there's no other

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<v Speaker 1>football focus show on television or in the streaming universe

0:57:05.840 --> 0:57:08.000
<v Speaker 1>that is doing that is mixing so on time with

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<v Speaker 1>the NFL. Yes, that is that is amazing. Tarn, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for taking the time and coming to

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<v Speaker 1>talk to us. Your career is fascinating. You are hilarious.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate you for playing that role. I there's so

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<v Speaker 1>there's so much here, but I will continue to enjoy

0:57:32.520 --> 0:57:36.000
<v Speaker 1>you and watch both the NFL and you. Thank you

0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:39.760
<v Speaker 1>for the NFL pylon. Thank you so much. The enjoyment

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:42.520
<v Speaker 1>is mutual and I so appreciate you having me and

0:57:42.840 --> 0:57:59.880
<v Speaker 1>making this time awesome. Thanks Taren, Thanks Brian, take care, Tara.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for stopping by. Awesome to get

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:07.200
<v Speaker 1>to know you just a little bit better. And I

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:11.160
<v Speaker 1>cannot wait until December ninete when the Packers beat the

0:58:11.280 --> 0:58:16.000
<v Speaker 1>Rams again. Listeners, I hope you enjoyed today's episode. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're wondering where I'll be next Tuesday, the answer

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<v Speaker 1>is will here of course, and who will be joining me? Well,

0:58:24.560 --> 0:58:29.520
<v Speaker 1>let's just say they're a master of all things mathematical

0:58:30.480 --> 0:58:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and savage. I'll see you then. Off the Beat is

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<v Speaker 1>hosted an executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, alongside our

0:58:47.880 --> 0:58:52.120
<v Speaker 1>executive producer Lang Lee. Our senior producer is Diego Tapia.

0:58:52.360 --> 0:58:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Our producers are Liz Hayes, Hannah Harris, and Emily Carr.

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<v Speaker 1>Our talent producer is Ryan Papa Zachary and are In

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<v Speaker 1>Hearn is Sammy Cats. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak,

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<v Speaker 1>performed by the one and only Creed Bratton,