1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, we recap a busy 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: day to the twenty twenty two NFL Draft, from the introduction, 3 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: the formal introduction of Marquis Hollywood Brown, a little bit 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: of a curveball in round two, while edge rusher was 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: the focus in round three. It's Cardinals Covered two, Episode 6 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:32,200 Speaker 1: five fifty nine, and it starts now Welcome to Cardinals 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,200 Speaker 1: Cover two with Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. Cardinals Cover 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 1: two is presented by Hyunday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Easy Cardinals dot com, 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: Slash podcasts Going for Hopkins one hand to catch in 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: a touchdown DeAndre Hopkins. Here's Craig Griolu and Mike Jarecki. 12 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: It is always great theater and what do you always say, 13 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: am J, It's the best reality show on television. The 14 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two NFL Draft was just that's and maybe 15 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: a little bit more so with respects to the Arizona Cardinals, 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: because so far we have learned to expect the unexpected. 17 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Day one, it was no draft pick. Hey, we're going 18 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: to send pick number twenty three to Baltimore and acquire 19 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: Marquise Hollywood Brown Day two second round selection. I believe 20 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: for those that listen regularly here to Cardinals Cover two 21 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: presented by Hunday proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals, I 22 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: think I eliminated tight end from the list of possibilities 23 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: with respects to draft prospects here this season. Correct, I 24 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: did well, Yes, and I tweeted, I thought, you know, 25 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: interior offensive line, D line as rusher, and then possibly 26 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: a defensive back. No, didn't really make it in particular 27 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: corner or safety. But you know, you and I talked 28 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: about it all offseason how deep this draft was and 29 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: at the tight end position, and I said, it'd be 30 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: nice to get a young guy, and you're getting the 31 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: best tight end in the draft, and he can do everything. 32 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: And you know, zach Ertz is thirty two, he's on 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: a three year contract, Max Williams. You know, hopefully he's 34 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: ready for camp. But this allows you to build with 35 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: the core and once again he'll be on a rookie contract. Well, 36 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: let me let's let's talk about the player, because obviously 37 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 1: I was completely wrong because with the fifty fifth overall pick, 38 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we hear Aeneas Williams. Yeah, Cardinals 39 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor member Hall of Famer announced with the 40 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: fifty fifth overall selection, the Cardinals select Colorado State tight 41 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: end Trey McBride. He senior, six foot four, two hundred 42 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: and forty six pounds, First Team ap All American, First 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: Team All Mountain West, won the John Mackey Award, which 44 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: goes to the nation's best tight end. Certainly a great pick, 45 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: but certainly doesn't fill a need. But as general manager 46 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: Steve Kay pointed out post day two that at that point, 47 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: at number fifty five, McBride was so high on their 48 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: board by far. Those two words, by far is what 49 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: he used. That it was a no brainer. You have 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: to select the talents because, as kid likes to say, 51 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: your needs in April and may not the same needs 52 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: you have perhaps in October and November. Yeah, and you 53 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: look at it. I mean, it's it's a scenario where 54 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, and this guy, you know, 55 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: I was reading earlier some of the stuff that he 56 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: you know, he lines up all over the formation, running 57 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: routes on the wing, in the slot, in the line 58 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: he has he was a centerpiece of their passing attack, 59 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: seeing targets on thirty percent of the routes. He's a 60 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: natural pass catcher who sees the ball in his hands 61 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: and catches the ball cleanly. He can run vertical routes, 62 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: side running routes, wins that catch point, and shows awareness 63 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: from sidelines to get his feet and bounds. So, I mean, 64 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: you know, I was telling cheek with Cliff. I said, 65 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: you're gonna win some more thirteen personnel. No, we're gonna 66 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: run twelve personnel. But I'm like, let's say you're in 67 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: a playoff game and or in a fourth quarter of 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: a game, and you you know, you got James Conner 69 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: and you've got Colin Murray, but you wouldn't bring in 70 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: three tight ends and just say we're going jumbo package, 71 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 1: especially with James Conner as your lead back. Yeah. And 72 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: I and also think when you look at McBride, you know, 73 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: we know the Cardinals don't have a full back um. 74 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: But much to the chagrin of one Ron Wolf. Yes, 75 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: do you remember when when they hired Bea and they 76 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: told them to kind of back off. Who was the 77 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:43,359 Speaker 1: last running back? Sherman? Anthony Sherman. Wow, I was thinking 78 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: James Hodgins, Terrel Terrell Smith. So, but I mean, I 79 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: don't know, it's just it makes sense. And I disliked 80 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,240 Speaker 1: the fact that you know, this guy's gonna be able 81 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: to help this team in the future. But you know, 82 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: again it's there's it's a process. But the fact that 83 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: I think what they really did there Craig best player available. 84 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: That when you have a guy that ranked that high 85 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: and he's there need or not, because we always think 86 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 1: you have to have a need. That was the best 87 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: player available, and that's I think the reason why they 88 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: select in him. Kingsbury said, quote, we did not think 89 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: this guy would be there. He was way up on 90 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,239 Speaker 1: our board, way up in our ranking end quotes and 91 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: something like that. It's glaring, it's spotlighted. You have to 92 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: select the talents versus hey, maybe we need an edge rusher, 93 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: maybe we need an offensive lineman, maybe we need a cornerback. 94 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: Just too much. And I know someone will say that 95 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: it was a luxury pick. I don't. I wouldn't go 96 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: that far because you brought it up earlier that zach Ertz. Yeah, 97 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: he's under contract for the next three seasons. He's thirty one, 98 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: will be thirty two in November. Okay, Max Williams, will 99 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: he be ready week one, Kingsbury said Friday night, Williams 100 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: is still rehabbing. He suffered that torn ecl in week five, 101 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: October tenth. Timetable, sure, but everyone heals differently. You don't know, 102 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 1: And Kingsbury mentioned there is no timetable. So if Max 103 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: Williams is not available, what do you do? Is Trey 104 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: McBride that guy Steven Anderson was added as a free 105 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 1: agent this offseason. Now he's sixty three, two thirty more 106 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: maybe of a slot tight end as far as a 107 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: pass catcher, maybe not a run blocker. Correct, But it 108 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: does give the Cardinals. If Max Williams is not ready 109 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: and this team wants to utilize more two tight end 110 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: sets with Earth's as your slot receiver, as a tied end, 111 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,360 Speaker 1: but a wide receiver, then McBride makes sense. As long 112 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: as he is up to speed for this season. Yeah. 113 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: I mean, considering he toured the ACL and we don't 114 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 1: know the extent of it, and he's been at the 115 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: facility every single day person basically, so I would think 116 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: we're you know, I think training camp would be good 117 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: for him. I don't see him starting on PUP. I 118 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: just I mean, you know, if he did it in December, 119 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: that's much different. Now you're you're kind of in Dennis 120 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: carduck Land and he still was able to return, but 121 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: he was on PUP for a while. So I would 122 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: I would try to target training camp and then you know, 123 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: take it easy on him and make sure he's ready 124 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: for the opener. The other aspects of this that you 125 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: touched on was that McBride can do it all. Catch ron, block, 126 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: line up in the slot, lineup in the backfield. He 127 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: was that focal point in college as far as the offense, 128 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: I mean the number of records he set in receptions 129 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: receiving yards. He had six one hund yard receiving games. 130 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: He is not going to come close to that here 131 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: on the National Football League level. Yet, at the same time, 132 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: you don't have to take him off the football field. 133 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: In other words, you're not tipping your hand to the defense. 134 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: Oh the tight end is in rundown. Now maybe you're 135 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: in three points, dance chip block and then you flare out. 136 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 1: And it does give Kingsbury number of different ways to 137 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: utilize all of his weapons. Now, with the acquisition of 138 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: Hollywood Brown plus the best tied end in all of 139 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: college football last season. Yeah, and when the Cardinals got 140 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: a chance to call him, and when he got a 141 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: chance to speak, and I guess he spent some time 142 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 1: out here. He trained at Exos XO and a lot 143 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: of guys doing long with Los Angeles and obviously Brett Fisher. 144 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: But you know, so he's out here, and he said 145 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: it couldn't have worked out better. I mean, you're talking 146 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: about I got sixty four two forty nine. His arms 147 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: are thirty two and five eights, his wing is seventy eight. 148 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: You're talking about the John Mackey Award winner, unanimous first 149 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: team All American, Press All American And you look at 150 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: led to FBS tight ends with a thousand and twenty 151 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: one yards, and then he started looking ahead his production 152 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: over he played in forty games, he had one hundred 153 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: and sixty four reception ninety last year over a thousand yards. 154 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: He had twenty one hundred yards, twelve point eight ten 155 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: touchdowns and only six drops out of basically being targeted 156 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: almost you know, a couple hundred times. And he's coming 157 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: in I think with the right mindset. I had a 158 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: chance to hear part of his conference call and he 159 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: told reporters, quote, I'm a guy who can be an 160 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: asset in the run game, go and put people on 161 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: their backs and make play. In other words, not afraid 162 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: of that physicality coming in, not with Hey, you know, 163 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: throw me the football, whatever you need me to do. 164 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,599 Speaker 1: And I think that's the mindset that all draft prospects 165 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: have to have. You can't come in and expect anything 166 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: to be handed to you. Now, everything looks great on paper. Now, 167 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: how quickly can he get up to speed with respect 168 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: to the offense. But he does not have to come 169 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: in right away and be productive. You've got zach Ertz. 170 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: Maybe you have Max Williams. If nothing else, you got 171 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: Ersten Williams in his ear every single day helping him 172 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: learn the rope. Yeah, and again they got a really 173 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: good tight ends coaching Steve Hyden. You know, obviously they 174 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: like them enough to wear you know, they went to 175 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 1: the best player available. Yeah. I mean again that you 176 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: have Psychovits in here. You've got some other tight ends. 177 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: Eight total tight ends now on the rocks. Okay, and 178 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: that's probably what they'll bring to camp, give or take um. 179 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: But so, I mean he should be able to get 180 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: some and you want to see him in the rookie 181 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 1: mini camp, and you probably want to see him in 182 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 1: the preseason. A lot in the preseason get you because 183 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: the next time you play is going to be in 184 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: a real game. And we can we can look in 185 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: septemberhere he's playing fifteen snaps. Maybe he's he's on the 186 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: extra point or field goal. Because of his size, you 187 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: can't get around him, and then all of a sudden 188 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 1: we'll see it to go up. But what I mean, 189 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: the thing will come down to is how much twelve 190 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: personnel are they running because that now you're talking about 191 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: him and Ertz or him and Williams, which you can 192 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: go jumbo. That will dictate how much he gets. But 193 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: I do think he's probably gonna have to play on 194 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 1: special teams. Oh, I don't think there's any question, because 195 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: in order to be active on game day, at least initially, 196 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: until you've proven that you're capable of just being an 197 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,559 Speaker 1: offensive player, most of these draft prospects, outside of quarterbacks 198 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 1: that get drafted, they're gonna play on special teams. You 199 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 1: have to be able to show that you can do 200 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 1: more than just run, catch and block. You got to 201 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: be able to play on special teams, and to be honest, 202 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how much special teams he did play. 203 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: Talking about Trey McBride at Colorado State, Yeah, I'm sure 204 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: maybe an early in his career, but he was a 205 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: three start sports star in high school. And you know, 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: he was at the Senior Bowl and he really lit 207 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,439 Speaker 1: it up. And they don't do special teams there, but 208 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: I think he showcased himself. And you know, the draft 209 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: really starts in Mobile, and then you have the NFLPA Game, 210 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: you have the Players Association Game, and then you've got 211 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: the East West Shrine Game. Then you got the Senior 212 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: Bowl and Mobile and Jim Naggie does a great job. 213 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: It's amazing how much tape you can go in the 214 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: fact that you can coach those guys and you got 215 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: more intel, you know. So it's definitely beneficial towe get 216 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: as much research as you can. Cardinals Cover two presented 217 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: by Hyundai proud partner the Arizona Cardinals. So Edge Rusher, 218 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: We've been talking about it repeatedly, was not addressed on 219 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: day one. Obviously, that pick is Hollywood Brown was not 220 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: addressed in the second round, and I know a lot 221 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:22,599 Speaker 1: of people were questioning that heck, I was questioning it 222 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: as well, because six picks later, Drake Jackson, the USC 223 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: outside linebacker, goes to the San Francisco forty nine ers. 224 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: He's in the division. We're gonna hear and see a 225 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: lot about him. So edge rusher needed to be addressed. 226 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: Cardinals with two selections in the third round, one their 227 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: own eighty seventh overall and the second one the one 228 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:49,319 Speaker 1: hundredth overall pick that was acquired in the Hollywood Brown acquisition. 229 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: And in round three, edge Rusher addressed a couple of 230 00:12:53,320 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: different defensive ends, one Cameron Thomas out of San Diego 231 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: States and then my j Sanders out of Cincinnati, both 232 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: defensive ends in college, but Ky made it clear on 233 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 1: Friday both will play outside linebacker. Yeah, and that was 234 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: something that you know, the Cardinals, you know obviously when 235 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: they made the trade for Hollywood and then they go 236 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: ahead and take uh, you know McBride. The fact is 237 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,520 Speaker 1: that you know, this is what they wanted to do. So, 238 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 1: I mean, they needed some pass rushers and he made 239 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: it very clear these guys are gonna play outside. Now. 240 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 1: It's interesting because I was looking at um it's a website. 241 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: Thirty third it's really done by like former executives Joe Banner, 242 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: I think thirty third team. I believe it's thirty third team. 243 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: And they said Sanders was their number ten edge rusher, 244 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: number fifty five over prospect. He is tall and very 245 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: lean Russia who displays good effort. Cameron Thomas, he was 246 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 1: our sixth edge rusher, ranked twenty seventh overall prospect. He 247 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: is versatile and a piece and kind of line in 248 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 1: different spots on the line of scrimmage. Now, when you 249 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: look at Cameron Thomas from San Diego State, he had 250 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: seventy seventy seven pressures in college football last year, second 251 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: among FBS schools, and forty four run stops, which ranked 252 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: third among edge rushers according to Pro Football Focus. So 253 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: you like his size, sixty four two sixty seven, three 254 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: time first team All Mountain West selection, plus this past 255 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: season named second team AP All American and Mountain was 256 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: Defensive Player of the Year eleven and a half sacks. 257 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: His production the previous two seasons combined nine and a 258 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: half sex. So you see the development from year one, 259 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: year two, year three. You keep showing that progress to 260 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: where you're entering the National Football League on a high note. 261 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: I thought Darren Urban asked a good question to Kingsbury 262 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 1: when Chandler and Jones went down. You know, at the 263 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: end of the year they had forty nine sacks. It 264 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: was by committee. You had you know, Reddick have obviously twelve, 265 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: and a has sacks. Dennis Gardak had what slieve it 266 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: was seven seven and it was done by committee, and 267 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, based on not having Chandler, and you got 268 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: to figure Marcus Golden and then the backups you know 269 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: would be Victor de mccuchi and Kennard And now you 270 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: can throw these guys in there, they're gonna have to 271 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: do it by committee. And you know, you want to 272 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: be in the forty forty five. Now a lot of 273 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: us gonna be predicated and getting pressure where you can 274 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: cover in the secondary. So I mean, you'd love to 275 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 1: see here and say, you know, Marcus Golden, he's done 276 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: it before. Can he get double digit sax again because 277 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: he's probably gonna get the most snaps and along those lines. 278 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: Now you need somebody else to get five to six. Now, 279 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: last year JJ only had one, Zach Allen had four, 280 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: Lucky and Lawrence had zero, which is suitable for guys 281 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: that played for the run. It's I keep hearing this 282 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: MJ as far as committee, and well, they did it 283 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: once before without Chandler Jones to me asking vanch Joseph 284 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: to scheme it up. That is difficult to repeat because 285 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,080 Speaker 1: two things that team in twenty twenty had that they 286 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: do not have the benefit of in twenty twenty two. 287 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: One Reddick career season. Okay, you had to acquire reacquire 288 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: Marcus Golden because of the Chandler Jones injury. Second one 289 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: was Dennis Gardeck caught lightning in a bottle, surprised everyone. 290 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: I don't think he's surprising anyone anymore. So great, you 291 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: got Thomas, you got Sanders, But I don't think this 292 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: team is done looking for an outside linebacker, an edge rusher. 293 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: They have to bring in a veteran because I still 294 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: it's asking too much for Thomas or Sanders to say, 295 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: you know what, welcome aboard. You're gonna be the guy 296 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: opposite Marcus Golden week one. If if it happens that way, great, 297 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 1: But to me, as we speak year at the end 298 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: of April, no, I need to see now a veteran 299 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: free agent, maybe a couple come in and see hey, 300 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,159 Speaker 1: one year deal, go out and see what you can do. 301 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And once again, we'll see what 302 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: their snap count is going to be. Twelve to fifteen. 303 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 1: And you know, Carlos Dunlop's out there. He played left 304 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: defensive end in Cincinnati. Last year he played outside linebacker. 305 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: He's a guy that's really good rushing the pastor he 306 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: gets his hands up to the FLEC ball's force the 307 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: quarterback off his spot. He's really good and run defense. 308 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: He's thirty three years old, so you know that could 309 00:17:33,240 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: be an option. But this is more just about trying 310 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: to develop these guys. But I couldn't agree more with 311 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,719 Speaker 1: you when it comes to advance now, they do have 312 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: that NASCAR package where if you've got somebody in third 313 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 1: and long, he's bringing it. And I think you've got 314 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: enough athletes to do that. You can you can bring 315 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: Buddha off the side, Simmons if you have to. Hopefully 316 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: you get something out of Golden possibly somebody else. So 317 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: I totally agree. And I'm wondering if the Cardinals want 318 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: to play man to man or are they going to 319 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: play his zone, because that's going to dictate. But you're 320 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: totally right at the end of the day. We know 321 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: when we talked to Vans on Thursdays, he's going to 322 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: get the game planned to try to take away their 323 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: biggest asset, whether it's a quarterback, run game, their number 324 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: one wide receiver, and every week it's a week to 325 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: week proposition. So you're right at the end of the day, 326 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: Vans is going to be making those decisions. I'll say this, 327 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: with the addition to Thomas and Sanders, it does go 328 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: back to something Kingsbury said at the scouting combine and 329 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,959 Speaker 1: mentioned edge rusher and we want we need to get 330 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: younger at that position, and Thomas young player, Sanders young player. 331 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: Interesting though Sanders, there was some as you're trying to 332 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: do immediate research on these players. The NFL dot com 333 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: profile drop profile on Sanders listed him at six five, 334 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: two twenty eight, and that certainly do it out because 335 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: you're like, twenty eight. That's that's not an outside linebacker, 336 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: that's that's borderline safety. But apparently that was funny. He 337 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: weighed in at two twenty eight at the combine but 338 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: since has gained added twenty pounds, so now listed at 339 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: two forty eight, and according if I get this correct, 340 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: he's been dealing with a hamstring injury. I believe that 341 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: is the case. He ran a four sixty seven yeah 342 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,119 Speaker 1: at the compe, so he's he's recovering from that. But 343 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: he's able to put weight on and he wants to 344 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: get to two fifty five. Okay, that would be a 345 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: nice goal. That puts him right around a little bit, 346 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: a little bit below where Cameron Thomas is. But again, 347 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: you you don't want to bulk up too much to 348 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: where all of a sudden that speed that you have 349 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: and the ability to come off the edge quickly diminishes 350 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 1: because you're carrying so much extra back. Yeah, but you know, 351 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: a young guy like that, he can put on masks, 352 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: you'll get in the weight room, he'll start, you know, 353 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: eating his prep meals and stuff like that. So you know, 354 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: he can definitely get a lot stronger, and I'm probably 355 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: a lot more lean One other note, Oh, he doesn't 356 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 1: eat leaner. He's got he's got a beef up. One 357 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: of the notes on Thomas. He trained at Exos and 358 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: Arizona with Trey McBride, So a pair of Mountain West 359 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: Conference players training in Arizona ahead of the draft, and 360 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden find themselves teammates here in Arizona. Well, 361 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 1: it's always nice to have that. And you know, I 362 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: feel when you're part of a draft class, you're attached 363 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: for life. And you know, either week at Kyler Murray's 364 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: draft class. But yeah, that's good because now he's gonna 365 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: walk into the locker room. They're all going to welcome. 366 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: But you know, usually they put you at a hotel 367 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: and you got a roommate maybe, or you take the 368 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: bus over or the van over in the morning, so 369 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: at least you know someone that you have a relationship with. 370 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: It's gonna walk in the locker room and does he 371 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: walk up to JJ Watt one, introduce himself and then say, oh, 372 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,160 Speaker 1: by the way, you know I wore number ninety nine 373 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: in college. Well do you think I might be able 374 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: to wear number ninety nine here with the Arizona Cardinals? Well, 375 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: to which J. J. Watt will say, what keep walking? 376 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. Now, Steve said they think he's going to 377 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: be a stalker being facetious, they both should because they 378 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: should just like, what what has he done for Zach Allen. 379 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: He's been a little duck. These guys should just be 380 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: a little ducks follow him, and I think, now this 381 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,679 Speaker 1: will be interesting too, because it was JJ Watt walks 382 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: in all of a sudden Zach Allen immediately all right, 383 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: what do I need to do? I can see and 384 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: I say this, and I realized Zach Allen is still 385 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 1: relatively young, but he's going into year four, so this 386 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: is a big season for him, and I certainly can 387 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: see him. All right, let me pull aside of Cameron Thomas, 388 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: my J Sanders and say, you know what this is. 389 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: I was once upon where you guys are right now. 390 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: This is what I went through, positives, negatives, And then 391 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: it's everyone circling JJ Watt and say, all right, you know, 392 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: we want to be where you're at. How do we 393 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: get there? Just be ducks just follow him around. But 394 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,639 Speaker 1: I agree with you. I mean, you know, Zack scoring 395 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: his fourth year, he's gon a looted from JJ. And 396 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 1: then you know, you look at Rashad and Lucky and 397 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: then Michael Dogby. That's that's a pretty close knit group 398 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: right there, from a standpoint of they're all kind of 399 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 1: rooting for each other. Before we discuss Hollywood Brown five picks. 400 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: Now on day three two in the six three in 401 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: the seventh. As far as what you think the Cardinals 402 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 1: might try to do, want to do as they select 403 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: two O one, two fifteen, those are two picks in 404 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 1: round six and then two forty four, two fifty six 405 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: and two fifty seven in round seven. Well, you know, 406 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: curious to see if they continue to try to you know, 407 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: I think they need a safety. You know, I look 408 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 1: at um James Wiggins and I was kind of informed 409 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: that he's more of a special teams player. And then 410 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, obviously chrisp Angels always out there, and we'll 411 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: see what happens with Charles Washington. But you know, Deontay Thompson, 412 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: obviously a draft pick, played at Alabama. It just hasn't 413 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: been able to stay healthy. But it's it's a good 414 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: let me to have when you got Jalen Thompson and 415 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: Buddha Baker out there. But I do think bringing in 416 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,680 Speaker 1: a defensive back that can kind of do both. Now 417 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 1: it's interesting because you started looking at Gladney. You know, 418 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: they're talking where he's going to compete, but at the 419 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: worst case scenario, he can play inside and outside. So 420 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: it'd be interesting and hopefully they can retain Robert Alford 421 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,959 Speaker 1: we'll see I'd love to have Okay, so back on 422 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: this roster, and I know we want to talk about 423 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: what we've been through with the last twenty four hours. 424 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: When it comes to Hollywood Brown. First impression that you 425 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: had of Marquise Hollywood Brown, whether it was seeing him 426 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 1: for the first time in person or listening to him 427 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: formally introduced on Friday, just a true pro, loves football, 428 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: wants to be here. You know, he's he's had a 429 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 1: smile on his face. No. I was thoroughly impressed with him, 430 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: and we're going to enjoy him only twenty four years 431 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: years old. You know. Some of the me was trying 432 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: to get into what about your contract going He's like, 433 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm not worried about that right now. I'm not playing 434 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: for money. I'm playing because you know, God gave me 435 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: this talent paraphrase, and to play in the NFL. I 436 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: mean it's I was thoroughly impressed. And I listened to 437 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley in ninety eight seven just talked about how 438 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: him and Kyler were so close and how they just 439 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 1: love football, they hate to lose, they compete, and he 440 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: and Riley it was really complimentary of you know, he 441 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: said Kyler's got to stay healthy. But he said that 442 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,360 Speaker 1: this is going to be a different dynamic in the offense. 443 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: And I guess he's talked to Cliff and he's he 444 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 1: said that they're like where they're at, but he said 445 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: he's got to stay healthy. So I couldn't be morally 446 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: thoroughly I'm impressed. I mean, I mean, you know, you 447 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: never know. I mean, not judging anybody by you know, 448 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: how they look or play, but I was, I mean, 449 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: he's a good talker, um. And and the fact is 450 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: that he kind of I don't know if it was 451 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: a dream, but he was hoping to come here. And 452 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: we're starting to see more and more guys say that 453 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: and come here because of Kyle Murray. Yeah, play with 454 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: the quarterback. And Darren Urban had a story up on 455 00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: asy Cardinals dot com, and I think it was a great, 456 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 1: good note that he put in his story because we're 457 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: seeing teams pairing their franchise quarterbacks with college teammates Joe 458 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: Burrow Jamar Chase in Cincinnati to a tongue of aloha, 459 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle in Miami. More recently, Derek Carr Davante Adams 460 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas that cannot be undersold. The relationship that 461 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback has with a pass catcher, a wide receiver 462 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: or running back tied and whatever it is, whatever that 463 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: chemistry is. But here you have a chemistry that goes 464 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: back not only to that twenty eighteen magical season of 465 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray he wins the Heisman and Marquis Brown explodes, 466 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: but the year prior twenty seventeen, their first year in Oklahoma, 467 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 1: when they were on the scout team together and beating 468 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: up Baker Mayfield and beating up well figuratively speaking obviously, 469 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: but being better offensively and being much better against the 470 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: Oklahoma defense. Basically, they are on the JV team that's 471 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: a scout team, and you're talking about Kyler Murray and uh, 472 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, Hollywood Brown, and they're going against Baker Mayfield. 473 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 1: And they said they would beat him every day in 474 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,239 Speaker 1: practice and if they played at a real game, they 475 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: would have beat him. And that that's where the you know, 476 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: the competition comes in. So that's that's great. Um, you 477 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: know it's when I look at just from a distance, 478 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I will I don't. Yeah, I told you. 479 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: I watched that two minute video on NFL dot Com 480 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: and man, this guy explodes the way he gets open 481 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, a toe tap in the end zone. 482 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: He's very aware of the sidelines. Now it's going to 483 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: be interesting to see how they use them. Um, I 484 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: don't know who the gadget guy is. I mean, is 485 00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: it Rondel Moore's at him? I don't know if you 486 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: need one, but you want to have because I think 487 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 1: you used him in motion and just try to get 488 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: the ball in his hands because he's so fast. And 489 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: then you know, when we get back to Trey McBride, 490 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: we talked about, you know, Cardinals don't have that. I 491 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: think if you're trying to get him in motion, I 492 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: think it can be a nice h back and it 493 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: really helped the running game out and take pressure off 494 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray. We had a chance on Cardinal's draft Central, 495 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: myself and Danny Sarek had a chance to catch up 496 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 1: with Cardinal's wide receivers. Coach Sehn Jefferson, and he brought 497 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: up that point about Hollywood Brown utilizing him in the backfield, 498 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: or at least lining him up in the backfield and 499 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: then running, whether that's yes, you know, motioning out or 500 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: from the backfield running This will be nothing against roundel 501 00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: Moore because I'm I'm I'm I'm intrigued to his future 502 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: and I love mental makeup where he takes it serious. 503 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: But you're gonna when you see him, Hollywood Brown, it's 504 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: gonna be on steroids like it's good. You're gonna see 505 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: a difference. And that's just because he's been in the 506 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: league where Roundell More, you know, hopefully experienced fighter. Yeah. Yeah, 507 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm just being comfortable and obviously being a first round 508 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: pick and playing in big games. You know, Purdue, you know, 509 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: he took the last two years off basically, and the 510 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: one thing that really stood out to me, and again, 511 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 1: you're trying to make that first impression. It's an introductory 512 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: press conference. Everything said in April is great. What happens 513 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: when the season begins. But asked about the number of 514 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: weapons in this offense, whether that's d Hop, whether that's 515 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 1: Aj Green, whether that's Rondel Moore, Zach Ertz, James connernal 516 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: of a sudden, here comes Hollywood Brown. How do you 517 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: is there enough footballs to go around? That was kind 518 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: of the inference on this question. But the answer is 519 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: what struck me from Marcus Brown quote It's not about 520 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: the targets, It's about what type of targets, what are 521 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: guys good at. Put everybody in the position to do 522 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: what they do good in. It's up to you to 523 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: make the most out of your opportunity. End quote. And 524 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: then he mentioned at Oklahoma with Ceedee Lamb, played with 525 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: Mark Andrews, so this is nothing new for him as 526 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 1: far as being in an offense that has a number 527 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: of different offensive weapons. What do you do though, when 528 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: you get your opportunity when the ball is thrown your way, 529 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: and obviously everyone wants to win, but in the back 530 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: of your mind, everyone wants to win, but also contribute 531 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: in those ways. Yeah, and he also said, hey, you know, 532 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 1: we want to get a chance to get to the 533 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 1: super Bowl and let let alone. It's going to be 534 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: in Arizona. So they feel like this can be a 535 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: top five offense not only in the NFC but around 536 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: the league. And to me, the fascinating thing is if 537 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: you if you find some chemistry in your physical at 538 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: the point of attack. We cook at some games early 539 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: in the season where this team has a lead in 540 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: a fourth quarter and then you just start pounding and 541 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: like lean on him. So I do think they're a 542 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: better football team now? Is he the difference winning a 543 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,719 Speaker 1: Super Bowl? No, but he's getting you closer. I think 544 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: they're better offensively right now. Defensively it's still again, how 545 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: do you affect that quarterback as an outside linebacker. I 546 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: think it's going to go back to VJ and how 547 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,920 Speaker 1: he schemes it up. We know that now there's a 548 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: couple of running backs. I think the Cardinals are still 549 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: waiting to hear from Williams. M Darry Williams. Yeah, so, 550 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: but there I know they like Isaiah Spiller and he's 551 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: still out there. I don't know if he would take 552 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: a running back. They really like him. You know, he's 553 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: six feet two seventeen. He ran he didn't run a 554 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: forty at the time, but I know they like him 555 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: as a running back, so they'd be interesting. But I 556 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: guess that's more luxury. Well, sixth round, seventh round, you're 557 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: looking for guys, you know, not take a flyer on 558 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: because that diminishes the work that these players have done. 559 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: But and I do think, as we mentioned that Drew 560 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 1: Grigson has pointed out and others that there is more 561 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: talents in this draft the back end because players chose 562 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: to stay in school an extra year and then come 563 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: out because of the pandemic. So a sixth or seventh 564 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 1: round selection this year might have been fifth or six 565 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: years past. I see now deeper in the back end. Now, 566 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: I'll say, if they're waiting on Williams and you know 567 00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: at some point he's going to make a decision, that 568 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 1: could be a late edition or they move on, and 569 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,440 Speaker 1: it wouldn't wouldn't It wouldn't surprise me if they took 570 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: it back. And I know they like Spiller, I mean 571 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: he would he would be more of a backup than 572 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: I think. You know, Benjamin. We know Jonathan Ward's kind 573 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: of regulated to special teams. You know obviously started playing 574 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: on special teams. You got a chance to be the 575 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: gunner last year. But Spiller would be, you know, your 576 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 1: one two punch night. Obviously, you know Connor's gonna be 577 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: the bell cow and he's very effective, he's thick. So 578 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: it'd be interesting to see if he's there, because I 579 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: know they like him. You still have Jayleen. Samuel's in 580 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,560 Speaker 1: that running back room as one of something that you 581 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: are in tregue, and he has experienced reversus a rookie 582 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 1: so we'll see what happens. But again five picks on 583 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: day three, two in the six, three and the seventh, 584 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: and this final note before we call it a night 585 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: here on this Friday, we have been given permission. It's 586 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: okay to call Markis Brown Hollywood. He doesn't prefer one 587 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 1: way or the other. And I've noticed MJ now and 588 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: talking about him for a couple of days. I basically 589 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: will like alternate Marquise Hollywood Marquis. It's it's more of 590 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: a mindset to call someone Hollywood. And again it's not flashy. 591 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: He's from Hollywood, Florida, and this is where it originates. 592 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: As he mentioned that it's all about I'm carrying the 593 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: name for my city. That's what he mentioned in the 594 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: press conference. So I need to figure out instead of 595 00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 1: keeping going Marquise one way and then the next time, 596 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: I not say you did it both. I mean, but 597 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: that's the professional in you. I'm trying to figure out 598 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 1: what I feel comfortable. You know what I'm gonna say, Hollywood? 599 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: Are you to say Brown? I know what can Brown 600 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 1: do for you? Well? The Cardinals, Yeah, that's true. I'm 601 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: gonna go Hollywood. So I have to figure that out. Myself. 602 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: But hey, that's as as another wide receiver that used 603 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: to wear the Arizona Cardinals uniform used to say, champagne 604 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: problems exactly. That's what I've got here. Well, you know 605 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: this is gonna wrap up another day tomorrow. Would you say, 606 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: five picks? Five picks, high picks? Okay, Well, maybe they'll 607 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 1: drop the quarterback all right, And on that note, we'll 608 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: put a lid on this edition of Cardinals Covered two, 609 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: presented by Unday, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. 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