WEBVTT - A Multiverse of Possibilities with Marvel's What If...? + Shang-Chi's Simu Liu 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.400 You don't know what it is, but it's there, like 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:08.720 a splinter in your mind, driving you mad. It is 0:00:08.760 --> 0:00:14.160 this feeling that has brought you to me. Do you 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:15.440 know what I'm talking about? 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:19.160 He's talking about spoilers. Warning this podcast could tase a 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:22.800 multiverse of spoilers about the shows What If on Disney 0:00:22.800 --> 0:00:27.200 Plus FX, is Why the Last Man, and just general 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.520 geek outs over the new Matrix resurrections and Hawkeye trailers. 0:00:31.120 --> 0:00:34.040 I think I randomly spoil some stuff from the Hawkeye 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:38.920 comic by Matt Fraction and David Daya. Just be warned 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:52.360 there are spoilers inside here. Hello and welcome to episode 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:54.600 three of x ray Vision and the Crooked Podcast, where 0:00:54.640 --> 0:00:57.200 we delve into the nooks and crannies or your favorite shows, 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:02.040 favorite movies, comics, and pop culture. On today's episode, so 0:01:02.240 --> 0:01:05.360 much news has broken in the last week, and we're 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.600 gonna cover it all, from the recently released Matrix resurrections 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:11.360 and Hawkeye trailers to the premiere of Why the Last 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:14.640 Man on FX. Then on x ray Vision Multiverse, we 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.160 post our own alternate timeline and discussion of the first 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:19.680 five episodes of the Disney Plus show What If and 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.000 it's comic origins, and finally, special treat for y'all. X 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:25.399 Ray Vision is pleased to offer an interview with Shang 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:28.520 Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings star Simu Liu. 0:01:29.000 --> 0:01:31.000 But first let me introduce this week's co host. You 0:01:31.000 --> 0:01:33.720 can find her scholarly writings on matters large and small 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:35.720 in the worlds of film and comics and entertainment of 0:01:35.720 --> 0:01:39.080 places like IGN, Nerdist and Esquire. Please welcome back, Rosie night, Rosie. 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:39.760 How are you. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.160 I'm so good. I'm so happy to be here. How 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:42.560 are you doing. 0:01:43.000 --> 0:01:45.280 I'm doing good. It's been a crazy it's been a 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.640 crazy week, yeah, all around, but a crazy week for 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.320 comic news. I can't man, I can't wait to talk 0:01:50.320 --> 0:01:52.680 about it. We were already laughing about it. Let's just 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:57.560 get let's just get to the news quickly. First, the 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:02.760 Matrix Resurrections trailer has dropped. At first, they were initially 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.520 these little video offerings on the Matrix website that were 0:02:07.120 --> 0:02:09.880 you could access through a bunch of hoops that you 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.639 could jump through. But now the trailer has dropped. The film, 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:17.440 director by Lanowichowski, hits theaters December twenty second, twenty twenty one. 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:20.800 It will be streaming for a month on HBO Max. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.600 The trailer brings back your second or third favorite chosen one, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.440 depending on the franchise you get. Neo Trinity is back, 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.440 yeah yah. Abdul Matin takes over as Morpheus for Laurence Fishburne, 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.320 who just doesn't want to do it anymore, and Neil 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.640 Patrick Harris plays a therapist with some very questionable motives. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.320 I'm excited for this. I loved the first two Matrix movies, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:48.720 the second, the third one was like fine, but let 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.080 me so, did you what was your Did you have 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.560 any connection to the Matrix movies? 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:56.360 Yeah? Yeah, I love the Matrix. When I was growing up, 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.320 I was actually really into like Kung Fu and Hong 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:00.679 Kong cinemar and stuff. So when I saw The Matrix 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.520 I thought I was really cool because I understood what work. 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:06.680 I was a kid when it came out. I watched 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.640 it on VHS at my dad's house in Hackney, and 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:11.760 I just remember thinking it was so cool and scary. 0:03:11.840 --> 0:03:14.240 I love the techno thriller of it all. Like as 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.960 I've grown up, I really love knowing like Jeff Darrow, 0:03:16.960 --> 0:03:19.840 who's this rad cartoonist. He was really involved with doing 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:21.920 the character designs like that it meilds a lot of 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:25.280 stuff that I love, like anime influences, Kung Fu, John Woo, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:27.799 all that kind of stuff. So yeah, I was very 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.000 very I thought the Trainer was really cool. I really 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.840 like how they kind of embraced the things that Keanu 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.440 does now, like it feels more John Wiki, it's a 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.760 little bit less Snowy. It's it's this guy who's stuck 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.800 in this world that he kind of doesn't really fit into, 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:43.840 and he's gonna go on this mission to the past. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:46.200 So I like those echoes fit. And I thought that 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.200 the action that they teased looked really good, so I 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:49.760 thought it was cool. 0:03:49.800 --> 0:03:50.240 I agree. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:51.360 Uh. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.839 I thought that Trinity was dead, but like that's I'm 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.200 excited to see how we bring her back. So the 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:03.720 original Maje I had. I missed it in the theaters 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:07.280 because people forget this now, but I think at the 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.200 time it had one of the more confusing like promo 0:04:10.840 --> 0:04:13.520 marketing pushes that I've ever Like I couldn't figure out 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:16.120 what the movie was about from the commercial, but then 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.000 everybody was like, oh my god, the Matrix, it's Star Wars, 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.400 It's Star Wars for this generation. I was like, okay, 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:25.440 I got it. So I skateboarded to Blockbuster and I 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:30.440 rented the movie and I rented a VHS player because 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:32.640 I didn't have anything to play on, so I had 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:35.640 to rent. You could rent VCRs from Blockbuster at the time. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:39.360 It came in like this huge, like carrying case, and 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.920 I rode with all that stuff back on my on 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:43.760 my skateboard and then I watched the movie. I was like, 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.320 this is dope. It's funny that you mentioned that Hong 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.800 Kong influences. I had my nerd friend at that time, 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:53.280 this guy Keith that was my comic book Hong Kong 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:59.520 movie'es nerd stuff friend, and he was like, ah, man, 0:04:59.600 --> 0:05:02.440 it's not it's not authentic enough, like you and woping 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:06.520 it's He did obviously like if you have him choreographing, 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:10.279 it's awesome, but like, I'm not sold on on Kia 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:14.000 like he was his It's this was like the nerd 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.760 conversation that I would have with him was like, it's 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.000 not it's not Hong Kong authentic enough, which was really funny. Anyway, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:23.919 I'm excited for this. I think it makes sense to 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.520 bring back the Matrix and I again, like I think 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:32.000 you're right, like the aesthetics, the vibe. It's almost like 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:35.080 a lot of people on social media were like getting 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.000 at me, like have they merged? Like are the john 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.200 Wick Matrix universes? Like are they overlapping? 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:44.040 Yeah, it feels like, I mean the truth is, if 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:46.640 john Wick hadn't have been such a massive success, you 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:51.000 probably wouldn't be getting this movie. So it is like 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.919 at least not in this version with Keanu. So I 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:58.719 feel like that makes sense to kind of embrace those things. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:00.760 Where does it fit in the time? Who knows? 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:01.640 Like, who knows. 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.160 I know. It was so funny when people were like, oh, 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.440 you know, because Lawrence Fishbrown said like he wasn't invited 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:08.200 to be in the movie. And then you have Yaya, 0:06:08.440 --> 0:06:10.080 who I do love and any movie that puts Ya 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.440 in the suit. I love that. I love black Mans. 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.160 I loved him in Acman. I just say a candy man. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:16.320 He's great. But also like, I don't know if he's 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:20.360 gonna be Morpheus because like here's some fun, ridiculous thing 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:23.599 that's definitely not Cannon. But when they launched the Matrix 0:06:23.680 --> 0:06:24.839 online game. 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:30.000 Right, he died, He died he dies, he killed They 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:33.240 kill him with some nanoparticle bullet too, that like one hundred, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.919 like he is dead, dead deck And it was meant to. 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.600 Be like this huge event, but then you know, the 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:40.440 game folded or whatever. But I I was when when 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.240 I saw this younger iteration and this kind of idea. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.360 I guess you could have multiple versions of the character 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.479 because of the way the matrix works, But I did 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.160 think that would be really funny if they bought in 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.159 this canon that like that version of Morpheus. 0:06:51.760 --> 0:06:55.320 Had died, right, Yeah, they just like have like a 0:06:55.400 --> 0:07:00.839 cash yeah, version of the younger Morpheus or something. Lanawakowski 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:05.760 said at the Berlin International Literature Festival of Keanu's reaction 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.600 to the film. Quote, casual brilliance just kind of rolls 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.120 off piano and he was just sitting there and he goes, 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.320 twenty years ago, you told a story in which you 0:07:13.360 --> 0:07:15.520 described the coming twenty years and the problems of the 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:18.680 nature of digital virtual life and how it is going 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:20.880 to impact this and how we think about it, and 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.480 gave us a frame to be able to think about 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.200 it and talk about it. And you took the same 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:25.920 character of the same stories and the same stuff and 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:27.720 somehow you made it about the next twenty years, so 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:31.320 that's exciting, I will say, you know, like I hope 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:35.320 it explores the central paradox of the Matrix to me, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:40.360 which is that the heroes of this story want to 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.760 destroy it necessarily want to destroy the Matrix and free humanity. 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.440 But what makes the story cool is the Matrix. Like, 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.600 like what made the second and mostly the third film 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.720 is really not that cool, was like all this shit 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:56.520 happening in the real world, Like, I want the Matrix, 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.640 so that will be interesting. I'm excited. 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:04.960 Next lots of like the big Marvel DC video game 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.200 news for nerds and for people like us, basically because 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.080 we had Spider Man two, which people didn't know was coming, 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:13.760 and after Mars Morales I think is probably the most 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:18.760 anticipated game now. It was absolutely Miles Morales somehow managed 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:21.600 to step up that first Spider Man game, which playing 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:24.720 that was like a revelation to me. I could never 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:29.280 naturally that you would be able to actually swing through 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:31.760 this guys. And then I love the adaptations they made 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.160 for Miles, moving it away from the police and stuff 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.640 like that, making it moving. 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:37.520 It away for the police was great, Moving it away 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:38.840 for the great. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.440 And like that's gonna be PS five only, which is 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:44.960 bad for me because I have a PS five. I'm 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:46.400 gonna have to get it because there's more than one 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.600 game I want now. Venom, that's the other big thing. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.960 Yeah, Venom in the game, super super exciting. Insomniac the 0:08:54.000 --> 0:09:01.960 developer is like hard carrying PlayStation exclusive right now, so 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.520 that is super exciting. I hope somehow they make Venom playable, 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.600 be that as it may, as the big bad as 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.280 the big boss of that game should be really fun. 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.120 I'm really excited, and I think. 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.880 It's gonna be like Peter Miles teaming up. And they 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.080 did say they're only gonna have it's not gonna have 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:21.400 like a co op mode, which I think a lot 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.480 of people want it. But yeah, you know, I understand 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:26.840 that because the quality of the gameplay that they're getting 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:29.840 as a single play is like so unreal that I 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:33.920 understand why they can't necessarily compromise that. Also, they came 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:35.720 out really strong because they were like, by the way, 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:38.280 we've got this surprise Spider Man two game like sequel 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:40.640 to probably the most famous Superher game of all time, 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:45.040 but also Wolverine, and every nineties kid was like, oh 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:45.720 my god. 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:48.960 Yeah, I mean this is the game that I've been 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:53.680 waiting for since ye no question, since, like you know, 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:57.160 the X Men Arcade game. I played it all the time. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:03.400 Super fun. You know, this is Insomniac doing. This is 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.559 everything I've ever wanted. I have some questions about, like 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:09.520 I guess it's gonna be like a lot of robots 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.360 or something because I can't see like decapitations being being 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:18.439 in a you know, rated whatever for everyone game for everyone. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:23.040 But uh, I'm excited. Nonetheless, this is gonna be super fun. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:23.280 Man. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.160 Yeah, this is literally what I've been waiting for, and 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.360 it's my entire life. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:30.520 It's got a really cool team, like Evan Narcis is 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.839 going to be a writer on it, Mars Morales and 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:34.360 I think one of the other main writers from Mars 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:35.920 Morles is on it. And I thought they did. The 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.520 tease was so good, Like if you haven't seen it, 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.680 it's basically just Wolverine in a bar. The graphics look unreal. 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.800 You're getting real uncanny badly vibes. You've got to see 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.480 his arm hairs and everything, and then he just somebody 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:48.439 tries to start a fight and his little clause come out. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:52.280 Huts every time. Yeah, he's ready. I want to. I'm 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.800 so excited about the fighting, like fighting mechanisms on games, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.040 like really starting for me with Arkham Asylum, but going 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.560 to Spider Man and Males Morles. Yeah, so intuitive, and 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:04.200 that's going to be so good with Wolverine, like all 0:11:04.240 --> 0:11:06.040 the moves. But like you said, who's he going to 0:11:06.080 --> 0:11:07.839 be killing? Because I can't imagine that they're going to 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:12.120 make this a gtaesque like blood and Gore killing people 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:12.680 kind of game. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:17.400 Yeah. Arkham, that mechanic, the kind of very simple but 0:11:17.640 --> 0:11:24.240 very addictive attack counter dodge mechanic that made it a 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.640 kind of like a beat matching game in a certain way. Yeah, 0:11:27.760 --> 0:11:31.400 and the Shadows and ward Or games also use this 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:36.120 kind of mechanic. It just is so addictive and it's 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:38.800 the same in the Miles Morales Spider Man and the 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.160 Spider Man games, like it's a very similar kind of mechanic. 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.840 So if they can figure out the right kind of 0:11:44.640 --> 0:11:48.880 fighting mechanic for Wolverine, yeah, that will be amazing. Like 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.040 I literally can't wait. I used to I would play 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.360 hours of Arkham Asylum, just like the Beat Him Up 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.840 where you fight fifty guys like modes because it's just 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.480 super super I'm really also, like. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:01.800 I know, I don't want to, there's so much more 0:12:01.800 --> 0:12:03.880 stuff to cover. But like when you think about the 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:06.680 Spider Man games, right, both of them, the amount of 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:10.079 characters they managed to include in those games is so cool. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.679 So when you think about Wolverine and you just think 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.040 about who you might see in it and the different 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.560 characters you might get to players or play against, that 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.640 is just I'm sure it's gonna be Logan esque stripped down, 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.880 like not too many, but they are gonna put some 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.280 deep cut X Men characters in there, definitely. 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.720 I mean, we have to see we have to see 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:30.240 Solar Samurai and has to be in there. Yeah, and 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:33.959 it will be weird if Sabertooth is not in there, 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.240 and in some yeah, in some way, I feel like. 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:37.920 He has to be in there because like it's they're 0:12:37.960 --> 0:12:40.960 going for that whole Western kind of vibe, so the 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:44.640 brotherly drama it always fits in, you know. And I 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:48.040 also think whatever is going on with the MCU now, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.360 Marvel and everyone is very aware that for a lot 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:55.400 of people, those X Men movies are the formative versions 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.800 of the X Men, Like especially if you weren't really 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.480 around for the ninety four cartoon, you know, the X 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:05.000 Men Night two stuff, so like, yeah, it's it's very interesting. 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.559 I cannot wait for it. And then it's like basically 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.840 anyone our age was getting blessed because then they were 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:16.080 also like, yeah, where Star Wars dot Com was like, oh, 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:20.840 we're gonna make a Night of Republic remake the game 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:23.720 that everyone had been asking for for like a million years. 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:27.080 So the only not the only reason, but the primary 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:29.960 reason that I have an Xbox is to play the 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.920 Kotor backwards compatible, which I was in the midst of 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:38.400 doing when this news came out. And good, finally, like 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:41.120 I like, that's all I have to say is finally, 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.560 I can't wait, Like just reskin the game and leave 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.880 it as is. It's perfect, Like the only thing that's 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.480 missing is updated graphics, and if they do that, like 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.880 I can't I cannot wait. Yeah, I mean the statement 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:55.760 on Star Wars dot Com reads announced the PlayStation showcase 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:58.040 twenty twenty one Star Wars Nights of the Old Republic remake. 0:13:58.080 --> 0:14:00.400 We'll see the classic RPG return as a play station 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.079 five console exclusive. Sorry Xbox I launched in four PC 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.120 Asper the Texas based studio that has collaborated with Lucasfilm 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.400 in various projects for over a decade, including a recent 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.000 spate of well received re releases from Lucas Arts. Era 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.800 is handling development rebuilding the game from the ground up. 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.320 So yeah, it seemed like it seemed like this was 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.760 coming ever since they started doing like Jenna Knights stuff 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:23.920 like that. So yeah, but when will they remake Masters 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:31.520 of Tarakazi. That's the real question. That's what the reals dollars. Yeah, 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.360 but Warner Bros. Obviously they want to be like, you know, 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:36.520 left out. I was hoping to see something from Gotham 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.040 Knights because I loved the looks of that game. Didn't 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.840 get that. But one of their biggest releases in comics 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.800 and video games, I mean it started as video game Injustice. 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:48.640 They were giving like they released the first trailer for 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:52.080 the movie, which is based on the comics also which 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.720 came out of the video game. And so this is 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:56.880 what the announcement said, which was on screen. Rap was 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.200 based on Tom Taylor's graphic novel in Justice. God's among 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.680 last year one itself based on nether Realm Studios twenty 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.360 thirteen game in Justice God's among us. The film depicts 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.800 Superman going on a rampage off death of Lewis Lane 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.680 and the Umble Child and hands of the Joker that 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:12.760 I have to say, I actually think Tom Taylor's the 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:16.400 comic book writer he I think his biggest secret skill 0:15:16.480 --> 0:15:20.200 is taking something like this like deceased that should be 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:24.400 a tie in forgettable thing, and making it some deep story. 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:25.200 I was. 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:27.840 I was like, this can't be good. Mm hmm, one 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:31.240 hundred percent, like, oh, they're doing a comic version of Injustice. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.120 It can't be good. No, uh, it's good. 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.080 It's good, and not just that it became like a 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.400 huge smash it. I personally will say, I do not believe. 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:40.760 This is one of my deepest beliefs and my problem 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.240 with I actually love Injustice because I love mortal combat, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.640 and I love like mortal combat but with superheroes. But 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.480 I do not believe on a base level that Superman 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:52.720 would go on a rampage if Lewis and his kid died. 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.120 Superman is about love, He's about forgiveness, He's about hope. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:56.160 I don't buy it. I don't buy it here. I 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.000 don't buy Injustice, Like, but the movie does it really good? 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.040 And the cost is stab act and I think people 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:04.680 are probably gonna love it because DC Animation is really rad. 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:09.120 Yes, is really rad and has been hard carrying Warner 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.880 Brothers DC content honestly for a long time. Yeah, I 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:17.640 agree with you. You know, read All Star Superman like 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:22.640 it's I don't Superman is and is a hero is 0:16:22.760 --> 0:16:26.600 the hero like there is just and DC in its 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.720 video properties has kind of not been able to find 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:36.120 that tone of Superman. But I'm still excited for this. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:36.800 I'm still excited. 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.000 Yah, it's gonna be cool and bass and that that's 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:40.720 the stuff that they've been doing that's more adult, the 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.600 more combat movies. They've been doing a super fun, super 0:16:43.640 --> 0:16:46.000 violent super out there, So I think that they'll bring 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.280 that to Injustice and I think it will be really cool. 0:16:48.960 --> 0:16:53.640 Next, so Marvel was releasing this one shot called Timeless 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:59.080 that was going to introduce a It's basically going to 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.960 introduce an audience to Kang as they're setting up Kang 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.240 is a big bad for Phase four in the MCU, 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.560 A good idea. The artist on this was Joe Bennett, 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:13.160 whose work on with valuing on the Immortal Hulk has 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:19.080 been some of the most exciting, weird and like body 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:25.119 horror creative art currently available at Big two Comics look 0:17:25.200 --> 0:17:28.680 super super great. Unfortunately, Joe Bennett has been removed from 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:33.280 that from Timeless because we have learned now that Joe 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:40.440 Bennett is a fascist. Joe Bennett, Joe Bennett. Why why 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:46.720 Joe Bennett. So, Joe Bennett had slipped a anti Semitic reference 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.480 into Immortal Hulk in the pass Andy you kind of 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:50.440 like explained it off. 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.000 It was pretty explicit, though, it. 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:57.560 Was pretty explosive. So so the images is a banner 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:01.719 at a at a jewelry store and in the background 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.240 there is a glass window and there's writing on the 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.280 glass window and it says instead of jewelry, jewelry. 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.119 And I think that was even a star of David maybe. 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.320 Yes, yeah, it was. And then later Joe, more recently, 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:19.919 Joe released some pro Bolsonnaro, the president of Brazil, the 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:24.400 fascist president of Brazil, released some pro Bolsonaro art on 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:30.920 social media that showed Bolscenaro killing people with a sword and. 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.800 Yeah, and the people he was killing were like anti 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.040 Semitic caricatures. 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:36.800 It was, Yes, it was a lot of big noses 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:37.480 the whole thing. 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.000 And I think the worst thing about this, which is 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:42.000 isn't this the way with the internet. It was actually 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:45.720 from like twenty seventeen, but it was like we only 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.879 found out about it now because somebody shared it, and 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.119 so I think at this point people were just like, oh, 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:57.160 it's like, oh, this is not because obviously he explained away, 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.960 Oh it was a misspelling. Did it this? You can't 0:19:00.960 --> 0:19:03.680 really explain it away. You are putting you can't You're 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:08.159 putting your propaganda art on the side of fascism, and 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:09.440 the art is fascistic. 0:19:09.720 --> 0:19:13.440 It's really really bad. Aluing took to Twitter on September 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:18.640 second to basically apologize. He said, Immortal Hulk has done 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:20.280 but I won't be working with Joe again. If people 0:19:20.320 --> 0:19:22.240 choose not to pick up my work with other artists 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.240 in the future on the basis of my handling of this, 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.879 I understand and except that if I've lost your trust, 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:30.879 that's on me. Basically, Amya Kalpa for not standing up 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:35.440 to this sooner and more authoritatively. But I think al, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:39.119 I don't think anybody blames al for this. That said, 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:43.000 it sucks in the sense that Immortal Hulk really is amazing, 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.840 Like I don't it's a hard the tagline for Mortal Hulk, 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.880 which is Hulk is now help can't be killed. He 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:54.440 has reverted back to his original mode of turning into 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:58.920 the Hulk, which is it happens at night. It's existential 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:02.520 and gary, and it explodes. 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.600 Like every aspect of Hulk and what it means to 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:05.200 be Hulk. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:10.720 It's yeah, the multiple personalities, the origins of the of 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:16.720 the gamma radiation, how the gamma ration radiation affected Bruce, 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:20.200 Bruce's own psyche in a way that builds on the 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:24.080 kind of like earlier work, uh, the kind of like 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:27.320 earlier developments of Hulk and Banner as like these multiple 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:31.600 versions of of Banner. It's really really cool. But yeah, 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:36.439 Joe Bennett has done now the replacement four times is 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:41.680 one Greg Land. So Greg Land is he's he has 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.600 has done a lot. He worked on X Men, He's 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:48.520 worked on a lot of comics, particularly from Marvel over 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:55.560 the years. Greg Land is divisive, not divisive in a 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:57.800 in a kind of like problematic, certainly not in the 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.680 sense of Joe Bennett, but divisive in the sense that 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:05.280 so he got this gig because they need clearly Marvel 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:07.920 needs to hit a deadline. This this comic has been announced, 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:09.800 it needs to come out, it needs to set up king, 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:13.560 and it needs to happen on time. And one, he's 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:16.679 very reliable. And and the reason that Greg Land is 0:21:16.720 --> 0:21:18.720 very reliable, and the reason that he's divisive is that 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:22.480 he is known and he's kind of infamous for using 0:21:23.600 --> 0:21:28.680 basically for for using guideline images that he then bases 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:34.840 his comic panels on, uh I E. Tracing and listen, 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:39.480 every artist does this to some express, Every artist working does. 0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:45.760 Different ways. People. No one's saying that like Simonson and 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.320 Adams in the all days on a bit of paper. 0:21:48.200 --> 0:21:52.000 Let's be real, where does where does Greg Lamb trace from? Jason? 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:59.920 Greg Land very often traces from erotic adult slash pornographic images. 0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:04.480 Is he has been he has been caught doing this 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:08.959 numerous times. He's toned it down. Let's be clear about this. 0:22:09.119 --> 0:22:12.680 He has toned it down. But he's kind of infamous 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.199 for this, and and as such he has gained a 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:21.880 reputation much like Robley Field for being this kind of 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:26.320 like we hate him, but also we get it, Like 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.800 it's just very funny to replace. 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:33.159 Yeah, it's really funny, funny, and it's like it's so 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.320 marvel right now that I was just like, yeah, of course, like, 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:38.760 of course that's what's gonna happen. But it is funny though, 0:22:38.840 --> 0:22:42.080 especially because like I'm a fan, Like I love a 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:45.639 lot of like sexy comics. I have cheesecakess I like 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:48.679 I have I have like actual like legitimate like X 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.000 rated comics. I like I love Gilbert Hernandez. I love 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:53.480 all different kinds of stuff. But but like it is 0:22:53.560 --> 0:22:56.320 really funny to see like an you know, it's Jean Gray, 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.000 but she's like traced from like a sexy porn star 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:02.680 and she and You're just like, what's going on? What 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:06.920 is going on? Yeah, Now, like the tracing issue has 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.280 become as the Internet has moved forward as well, Like 0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:13.240 the tracing issue has definitely become like more prominent, like 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:14.880 people because it's easier to catch. 0:23:15.160 --> 0:23:18.000 It's it's it's way easier to catch and and again, 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:22.399 every artist does this, but Greg's influences and the way 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:27.399 he uses these images is just kind of like a 0:23:28.160 --> 0:23:32.399 degree more blatant than the way other artists use it. 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:37.000 Like it's artists, critics and other artists over the years 0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:41.840 have quite easily found the original art that Greg is 0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.600 basing his stuff off of He's been accused of plagiarizing 0:23:44.600 --> 0:23:47.359 in the past by other artists like and that's. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.240 The bigger issue is like, you know what, if you 0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:51.080 want to poorn, trace and move, was gonna pay you, 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.359 like eight hundred dollars or whatever, like good for you, 0:23:55.520 --> 0:23:58.560 like good for you whatever, likes other artists. I wish 0:23:58.840 --> 0:24:00.680 they would have put on this book by so many 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:02.920 incredible arys that I wish would get a regular Marvel 0:24:02.920 --> 0:24:04.600 book or a one show Marvel book. But you know what, 0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:06.919 But the issue is, like you said, if if you 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.120 were plagiarizing like another artists work and then getting paid 0:24:10.160 --> 0:24:12.280 for it, that is fucked up like that, And that's 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:13.520 that's why the issue looks. 0:24:14.480 --> 0:24:17.280 That's why he was called out. He was called out 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:21.640 by Tristan Jones in twenty twenty for basically ripping off 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:26.880 art from the Aliens Omnibus. So this is around, this 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:31.600 is like this has been around at Marvel is not dumb. 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.920 They understand what Greg is doing. But again, like one 0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.080 of the things that derailed Marvel in the nineties and 0:24:39.240 --> 0:24:43.439 was a big problem for basically its entire lifespan from 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:46.520 the seventies up to the nineties was blown deadlines like 0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:50.199 this was this was a company that was consistently like 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:57.280 late on delivering comics to printers and you know this 0:24:57.359 --> 0:25:00.879 is later but famously like Ultimate Wolverine Versus Hulk was 0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:04.480 delayed like five hundred years or something. It was like 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.199 a six it was a six issue limited series that 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:10.199 like stretched out over four years something like that, And 0:25:10.240 --> 0:25:10.640 it's like. 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:13.280 It's the problem is like it's a bigger It's like 0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.520 it is you do have to find these artists who 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:17.600 can get you the stuff fast, right, which but it's 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:20.199 also a bigger problem of like that exploit of industry 0:25:20.200 --> 0:25:22.680 where people don't have protections, they don't have real deadline, 0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:25.239 so you can a letter is getting the book two 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:26.960 days before it's meant to go to print because the 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.000 writer didn't know, and then the artist is So it's 0:25:29.040 --> 0:25:31.719 like a comics is like a fake business. That's what 0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:33.840 me and my friends always say, Like loads of us 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.560 make comics, and we always say it's like it's a 0:25:35.600 --> 0:25:38.359 fake business, Like you wouldn't believe that this stuff could happen, 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:41.040 but it does. Like I'm sure there's people sitting here 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:43.280 right now who are like this guy does not trace 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:45.560 for important you know what he does. 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.320 I mean, like you just go go Greg Land trace 0:25:49.440 --> 0:25:52.000 on Google and you'll find any number of our you'll find. 0:25:52.000 --> 0:25:55.400 It's it's funny because Marvel actually has like a long 0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:59.600 tradition of a famous older artists or like I guess 0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:02.320 not old, but like male artists of a certain age 0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.600 who loved to trace. I I always remember that Invincible. 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:07.840 I think it was like an invincible Iron Man book 0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:12.000 where doctor Doom and the whole book is just it's 0:26:12.000 --> 0:26:15.560 just mincing Cassel. And then that's I think, there's yeah, 0:26:15.720 --> 0:26:17.639 and then there's like and I can't remember who there 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:19.680 are character is, but one of them is Tommy Lee Jones, 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:21.760 and you're just like, my guy, I don't think you 0:26:21.800 --> 0:26:23.600 can do this, you know. And I think the only 0:26:23.640 --> 0:26:27.040 person who actually ever properly leveraged that was Sam Jackson, 0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.680 because these people just called Marvel straight away as soon 0:26:30.720 --> 0:26:32.600 as that oh that's Nick Fiory book came. 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:36.520 Out and they were like, hey, yeah, Brian Hitch, Yeah, 0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:40.720 I think Mark Millery, please do it. 0:26:40.960 --> 0:26:44.760 Please do so. Yeah. It's it's an interesting jump, but 0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:47.280 it's not all bad news in the world of Marvel. 0:26:47.600 --> 0:26:54.960 It's not all weird sad Tracing. There's a new book 0:26:55.000 --> 0:26:58.040 coming out. We think when we were talking, we think 0:26:58.040 --> 0:26:59.480 it's going to be a pretty big deal and is 0:26:59.560 --> 0:27:02.720 seeding big stuff. So it's Jason Aaron and Aaron Couter 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:04.280 doing Aveng just forever. 0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:07.960 Yeah, Jason Aaron is kind of like the writer right 0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.600 now at Marvel. Yeah, and Aaron Couter is We were 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:14.240 discussing this in the pre pro. I love his style. 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.520 It's kind of like he's like it's he's like a 0:27:17.600 --> 0:27:20.480 child of Art Adams, who is my favorite. Like when 0:27:20.520 --> 0:27:25.520 I first got into comics. There's something like cartoonys but 0:27:25.680 --> 0:27:29.080 also very very detailed about it. Super super fun and 0:27:29.200 --> 0:27:33.159 like the cover art, go go google it now is 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:35.520 so fun and exciting. 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:38.320 Yeah, it's like where's Waldo? For people who love Marvel, 0:27:38.800 --> 0:27:40.840 like you can just and it doesn't matter. What I 0:27:40.960 --> 0:27:43.720 love the most about this cover is literally if you 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:46.919 did not care about Marvel at all, but you just 0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:49.320 watched What If and for some reason that was what 0:27:49.400 --> 0:27:51.439 drew you in. You love animation, you can look at 0:27:51.440 --> 0:27:54.480 that cover and there is Captain Carter And if you 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:56.399 just love one division, you can look at it and 0:27:56.440 --> 0:27:59.760 there's Monica Rambo. But there's also, you know there's Tony 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:04.040 Stuff a man. There's there's a who did you see 0:28:04.040 --> 0:28:08.600 on the speedball? There's beasts. You know, there's all different 0:28:08.720 --> 0:28:11.320 kinds of just bonkers characters. You've got wonder, You've got 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.800 your main but it is unreal. Aaron Kuda's art is 0:28:13.840 --> 0:28:16.280 like this beautiful like you said, it's like this intricate 0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.600 cartooning that it has so much personality, that every character 0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.520 has a different facial expression, and there's so many characters 0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:26.199 and so Marvel dot Com like if you're interested in it. 0:28:26.240 --> 0:28:29.480 Basically it sounds very multiversally relevant right now. And it 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:34.320 begins with a quest for cosmic vengeance. Ghost Rider, I 0:28:34.320 --> 0:28:37.040 believe it's Robby Rays. Ghostwrider finds himself roaring through the 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.280 wasteland on a ruined Earth where the Great Age of 0:28:39.320 --> 0:28:41.480 Heroes never came to be, where hope is a four 0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:43.760 letter word and wears only ally in the coming battle 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:46.720 against the greatest villains any universe has ever seen. Is 0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:51.600 the world's most wanted archaeologist, Tony Stark, the Invincible a man. 0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.880 I love Tony Stark as a man. It makes so 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:54.840 much sense. 0:28:55.440 --> 0:28:58.680 It makes so much sense, and against anytime I see Speedball. 0:28:58.760 --> 0:29:01.880 The New Universe for those who remember, the New Universe 0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.000 was an attempt. It was basically like an attempt to 0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.640 do Ultimate Marvel before Ultimate Marvel launched. This kind of 0:29:08.680 --> 0:29:12.360 like new generation of Heroes and this and Speedball was 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:17.400 kind of like the flagship hero. He bounces around like 0:29:17.400 --> 0:29:21.400 a speedball, and anytime I see him in something, I'm like, 0:29:21.480 --> 0:29:23.560 I'm glad they're keeping up with this guy. I'm glad 0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:27.160 that he's still around. It's gonna be super super fun. 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:30.080 And it's a titled Avengers Forever, which is a direct 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:35.080 reference to the very well regarded Kurt bussiek Roger Stern 0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:40.240 late nineties twelve issue limited series that is, you know 0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:42.600 a lot of the Kang stuff if you want to 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:47.640 understand Loki and the introduction of Kang, Avengers Forever is 0:29:47.680 --> 0:29:49.360 a great place to do it because I think it's 0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:53.880 like issue eleven or maybe twelve. Kang basically is like, Okay, 0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.800 here's the deal with me, and he lays the whole 0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.000 thing out. So it's like, if you want to understand Kang, 0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.880 check out the late nineties Avengers Forever. I'm trying to think, 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.080 but like, maybe the best thing going at Marvel during 0:30:05.160 --> 0:30:07.320 that late nineties like collapse era. 0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.560 Yeah, it's one of the it's really interesting to look 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:12.239 back in that era and the stuff where we know, 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.880 like when the boys went to you know, Found Image 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:16.720 and everything and kind of the way the boom and 0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:19.480 the bust was happening. Yeah, it's really interesting the cool 0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:24.719 stuff that snuck through, the cool weird ideas that and 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:26.680 a lot of these creators they say that, you know, 0:30:26.680 --> 0:30:28.760 the eighties the nineties, they didn't know these were going 0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.720 to become multi billion dollar properties. Like you were just 0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:33.840 making an idea that would make someone want to pick 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:35.880 up the next issue, and in that way, some of 0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:40.200 this stuff becomes really really cool and unexpected. 0:30:40.480 --> 0:30:43.360 I agree like that. The kind of like post bankruptcy 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:47.680 era Marvel, I think is some of the most creative 0:30:47.680 --> 0:30:50.520 stuff happened there, whether it's Black Panther and Marvel Knights 0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:57.480 or or Avengers Forever or like Exstatics X Force Ecstatics, 0:30:57.520 --> 0:30:58.960 Like there's just a lot of fun stuff. 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.280 Yeah. Joke Asarda like had this space where it was 0:31:02.360 --> 0:31:05.520 kind of like you could bringing in like these really 0:31:05.640 --> 0:31:08.960 cool cartoonists that he knew and making work that maybe 0:31:08.960 --> 0:31:11.680 wouldn't have been able to be made in the Robliefeld 0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:14.440 like era, you know, and you got really weird stuff 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:18.600 out at Frankincastle, you know, punish your guy. I love 0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.880 Marvel Knights. Obviously, Marvel Knight's so bloody cool, and I 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:25.280 think that stuff's going to become like really really intrinsic 0:31:25.320 --> 0:31:25.720 to what's. 0:31:25.560 --> 0:31:29.200 Going I think the Yeah, the moon I would expect that. 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.880 Obviously there's been various incarnations of Moonlight, but I would 0:31:32.880 --> 0:31:38.560 expect that what we see from Moonnight is adapted from 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.360 the Marvel Knights stuff. That's my expecting. 0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:43.680 Yeah, I think that. I think it's going to be 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:45.960 I think that's going to be the major source point. 0:31:45.960 --> 0:31:47.400 And I also think they're going to have to do 0:31:48.440 --> 0:31:51.760 not necessarily like a Watchman level reconsideration, but they're definitely 0:31:51.800 --> 0:31:53.720 going to have to be very thoughtful about the things 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.520 that they're doing and the way that they're taking on 0:31:55.600 --> 0:31:58.160 the character, because there's so much there that can can 0:31:58.280 --> 0:31:58.720 kind of go wrong. 0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.840 But I'm sure talk the mental Yeah, the mental health 0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:04.640 aspect of you we'll table that for now, but the 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:08.360 mental health aspect of Moonnight needs to be handled in 0:32:08.360 --> 0:32:10.480 the right way. And I'm excited to see how they do. 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:13.360 I think off to one division and the exploration of 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.040 trauma and different kinds and still centering all different kinds 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.120 of stories within that. I think I've got hope that 0:32:18.160 --> 0:32:19.200 they could do a cool version. 0:32:19.640 --> 0:32:23.880 In recent news, we're recording this on a Tuesday. Yesterday, 0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:28.960 the trailer for Hawkeye limited series on Disney Plus, which 0:32:29.040 --> 0:32:34.080 launches on November twenty fourth, dropped on the internet, and man, 0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.240 it is a lot of fun, clearly adapted from the 0:32:38.280 --> 0:32:43.480 Matt Fraction and David Daya solo title that really like 0:32:43.920 --> 0:32:47.120 redefined Clint Barton as a character in the Marvel universe. 0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:50.760 If you want to pick up a great, great comic 0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.680 that you don't need to know a lot about other 0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.920 things that are happening in Marvel Comics, even at the 0:32:56.960 --> 0:33:00.440 time or that came before, pick up Matt Frat and 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:07.200 David Daya's Hawkeye. It is great and like everything about 0:33:07.240 --> 0:33:12.560 it is fresh and fantastic. It's like there are themes 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:19.720 of like gentrification and like working class strife, and it 0:33:19.920 --> 0:33:23.600 is incredible. There's a great there's a great dog in it. 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:27.680 And David's art. I think no one does No one 0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:31.600 does layouts like no one from the art, from the 0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:35.080 way he does his panels, from the cadence of the pages. 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.800 There's an early page in issue to where Clint is 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:41.640 hanging out with Kate Bishop and their training. They're just 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:46.400 firing arrows into a dummy and Kate is asking him 0:33:46.400 --> 0:33:51.920 a question, and as Clint is drawing and firing, the 0:33:52.040 --> 0:33:55.800 thing she is asking him gets spread out like letter 0:33:55.880 --> 0:34:00.360 by letters, so that you understand how quick Clint's reactions are, 0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:03.440 how fast he is with the bow. It's so cool, 0:34:03.480 --> 0:34:06.040 And there's a million things like that. I'm really and 0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:08.400 and from the trailer, it seems like a lot of 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:10.799 that is in there. There's a ton of it. 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:12.640 It's the only way you can do a Hawkeye show. Look, 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:14.839 I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of mad at 0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:16.719 how good this trailer is because I don't want to 0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:19.000 care about Hawkeye. I'm ready for that. I'm ready for 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:22.680 that Hawkeye, that man Hawkeye, that Jeremy and Hawkeye. He 0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.880 can be gone. I don't. So when I saw this, like, 0:34:25.080 --> 0:34:28.360 I was felt personally attacked because one that comic is amazing. 0:34:28.800 --> 0:34:32.839 Two like it's a Christmas show and I fucking love 0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.680 Christmas movies shows whatever, Like I love that shit, it's 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:39.080 got big die hard energy, but. 0:34:38.960 --> 0:34:41.399 Also like, yes, it's I think the. 0:34:41.360 --> 0:34:43.840 Only way you can legitimately make this show is to 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:45.960 take from that series, because there is stuff, like you 0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:48.319 just said, right, this is gonna be We get to 0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.120 see a lot of cool stuff in these Marvel shows, 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:51.640 the One Division show, for example, I talk about it 0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:53.719 a lot. I could not believe how much they took 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:56.319 directly from these real, those really amazing mini series in 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.759 the eighties. Yeah, but this is a I think that 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:03.960 they're very smart to look at this book and know 0:35:04.080 --> 0:35:05.800 that there is stuff that they are going to basically 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:08.600 take straight from that. Because let's be real, so straight 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:12.759 from you got issue eleven, right, which is the Lucky 0:35:12.760 --> 0:35:16.080 the Pizza Dog issue, or the from Lucky's perspective, that 0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:17.560 is going to be an episode, and if it's not 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:19.640 a whole episode, it will be at least half of 0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:22.480 an episode or a recurring thing. It's an iconic issue. 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:26.040 You can't not do the iconic Lucky the Pizza Dog again. 0:35:26.320 --> 0:35:28.920 Like pick up this comic, pick up the trades, Go 0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.560 to your local comic book shop and pick up the trades. 0:35:31.600 --> 0:35:35.320 It's worth it. The Lucky the Pizza Dog Bottle issue 0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:40.160 is one of the greatest single issues in comics history, 0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:44.120 like ever, ever, ever, ever. It's from the perspective of 0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:47.720 the dog, and that's all I'll say. But the storytelling 0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:52.040 and the way Dovey cracks the code on how to 0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:56.000 tell this story through the perspective of the dog, it's 0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:58.600 unbelievable and it's so good and I agree with you. 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:00.920 It's just got a yeah, it's gonna be that. 0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.200 And Lucky is in the show. We know that they 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:06.279 released a poster with Lucky on it, like he. 0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:07.680 Had to be in the show. He's not in the 0:36:07.680 --> 0:36:10.279 show that I'm a nobody and something that. 0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.799 I think is like really amazing about that book. Right, 0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:16.200 So the book deals with Hawky and deafness, which is 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:19.440 throughout his that's throughout his storyline, but it's on and 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:21.880 off again, it depends, and that's never been in the MCU. 0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:23.520 But we know it is going to be in this 0:36:24.040 --> 0:36:26.399 show because we saw him wearing hearing aids. And also 0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:30.120 they cast an actual deaf indigenous actress called a lack 0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:32.399 of Cox to play Echo, who's a deaf Indigenous hero 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:37.080 and I'm so stoked about that. That's just and the 0:36:37.120 --> 0:36:38.640 thing that I think another thing that I think is 0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:40.839 really cool about this is like, so when the Lucky 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.960 the Pizza Dog episode came out, every issue came out, 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:44.799 everyone was like, this is really cool, and I think 0:36:44.840 --> 0:36:46.440 there was like a little bit of thing around deaf 0:36:46.480 --> 0:36:48.400 people being like, well, this is the only episode, this 0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:50.960 is the only issue that's like seems to want to 0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:53.400 represent that lack of communication, but it's from the perspective 0:36:53.400 --> 0:36:56.319 of a dog lo and behold. Eight issues later they 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.920 do an issue that is a sign language issue, and 0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:02.160 I just think like, and that issue as well, Issue 0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.879 nineteen unbelievable, like one of the coolest issues and one 0:37:05.880 --> 0:37:09.920 of the coolest ways of showcasing like visual storytelling and 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.759 how you can change the communication in that way. So 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:15.960 I feel like one also, I love I think Hayley 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.400 is like perfect casting as Kate Bishop. 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:19.520 So really I'm really excited. 0:37:19.640 --> 0:37:21.400 I just think there's a lot of potential for this 0:37:21.480 --> 0:37:25.200 to be like not only really cool, fun die Hard 0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.960 esque like Holiday Magic, but also like a kind of 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:33.640 step towards a death representation that we've never really seen 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.960 in any like rarely any TV shows, let alone Supero. 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.799 Yes, which is just so cool. That is really exciting 0:37:41.400 --> 0:37:48.680 one small aside, So apparently Kate is introduced in this show. 0:37:50.280 --> 0:37:52.680 She comes to Clint's attention because she is wearing the 0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:56.600 rone in costume and she's out there doing stuff. It's 0:37:56.680 --> 0:38:00.479 just so hilarious to me because, like I mean, listen, 0:38:00.480 --> 0:38:03.560 I love Clint and he's been through a love he 0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:06.840 became he became a fucking serial killer. Can we just 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:08.840 get this sonata? 0:38:08.880 --> 0:38:13.520 He didn't just killed Ton down being in joem Wick three. 0:38:13.560 --> 0:38:15.920 He turned down being in Joe Wick three, playing the 0:38:15.960 --> 0:38:18.480 pole the monde caskis pop to be in the man 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.719 game and to get killed by serial killer. Hold on, 0:38:21.840 --> 0:38:24.520 I will never forgive it. I will never forget. I hate. 0:38:25.960 --> 0:38:32.360 Clint went country to country to country killing, murdering specifically, 0:38:32.760 --> 0:38:35.680 look at what the fuck Clint? 0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:35.840 What? 0:38:36.200 --> 0:38:39.560 And then he's just like yeah, like again, it's this 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.600 show is gonna be really fun and it's but it is. 0:38:43.040 --> 0:38:45.480 It is really funny to me how we just like 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:51.360 moved past Clint's time as a legitimate serial killer with. 0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.120 The masma like a Ted Bundy level. This is like 0:38:54.560 --> 0:38:58.839 hundreds of people that he's killing, and like I I 0:38:58.920 --> 0:39:02.799 will never forgive that. I will never forget seeing her 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.719 Yuki Sonata, who's like maybe my favoritectory all time, but 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.960 definitely like up there on the Crton red carpet for 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:10.400 that movie. And they're like, what did you feel like 0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.000 when they asked you said, who says no to a 0:39:12.040 --> 0:39:15.000 Marvel movie? Like it's a Marvel movie. And they killed 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:15.920 him in like five minutes. 0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.799 I'll you saw this at all? 0:39:18.880 --> 0:39:22.160 Clint Clint as if sorry, that's never gonna happen festival 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.840 and like, I, yeah, this is my dream for this show. 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:27.480 I just want him to just like die in the 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.960 first episode. And then it's just like Kate Bishop and 0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:30.680 a Lacqua Cox. 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:32.040 I't Bishop, I'm too old for that. 0:39:32.200 --> 0:39:35.160 I'm like, I don't need to see my hope is 0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:38.040 the one thing I thought was at least a bit good. 0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.160 If you're not going to deal with that, which they 0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:40.440 are not. 0:39:41.360 --> 0:39:43.040 They're we're never gonna deal with it. 0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:46.640 If you're not gonna do it. 0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:52.359 But Clint killed like five hundred people, but whatever, Yeah, 0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:53.000 it was a blurb. 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.279 It's fine, But you know what, I kind of like 0:39:55.360 --> 0:39:57.600 that they're making him a ship dad. I'm like, if 0:39:57.640 --> 0:39:58.920 that's all he's going, I don't want to have to 0:39:58.920 --> 0:40:01.279 see him have some redemption whatever. It's like if he's 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:03.840 just letting down his family and then we don't have 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.279 to see him again after this and it can just 0:40:06.320 --> 0:40:09.320 be Kate in the Young Avengers and a lacquise Echo 0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:12.919 like cool, but I will never forget. I will never 0:40:13.000 --> 0:40:14.960 forget what he did. And then when they bought the 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:17.040 roan In costume, because I think the rumor was that 0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:20.640 like Echo would at some point take that one. The Kate. 0:40:22.360 --> 0:40:23.239 I was like why. 0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:29.080 I was like, Kate Bishop has iconic costumes contemporary Marvel history, 0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:32.120 Like nobody needs to see that Ronan costume and remember 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:35.040 what he did? Like is she a serial killer fan girl? 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.759 Like when she said to him, She's like, I'm so 0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:39.880 oh my god, you're climbot. 0:40:39.440 --> 0:40:41.759 And like I remember when they released the description and 0:40:41.840 --> 0:40:46.080 it was like Kate Bishop is like obsessed with Hawkwy, 0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.920 I'm out of every Avenger like Pase. 0:40:48.719 --> 0:40:52.880 You know that's never gonna happen. And one more, you know, 0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.040 like I don't want to speak ill of the dead 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:59.440 and criticize the dead, but uh, Natasha did really just 0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.120 stand there and not do anything? Nope, Well, Clint murdered 0:41:03.920 --> 0:41:05.160 half a dozen guys. 0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:08.399 Those two they were always off their bad vibes. Now 0:41:08.440 --> 0:41:12.040 she's got fuck he did the wrong thing anyway, Like 0:41:12.360 --> 0:41:15.560 in what world? In what? I don't even rate black widow. 0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.719 I don't like him MC, I don't like that. Whole 0:41:17.719 --> 0:41:19.960 thing is just not for me. But I was even 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.360 mad when she sacrificed herself. I was like, for this 0:41:22.600 --> 0:41:25.520 serial killer, you're gonna let you would be better off 0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.200 if you care about his family. Let him go off 0:41:28.200 --> 0:41:30.440 the edge, and then he's not gonna kill his family 0:41:30.440 --> 0:41:32.760 because honestly, you don't know that that's not gonna happen. 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.680 Like this guy just killed so many What if his 0:41:36.200 --> 0:41:38.279 daughter smokes some weed one time? Is he gonna kill 0:41:38.280 --> 0:41:40.839 her because she's a criminal like this guy. 0:41:42.239 --> 0:41:45.680 Florence Pugh is confirmed in this, not in the trailer, 0:41:45.719 --> 0:41:49.280 but we're gonna see this. We're gonna see her as Yelena. 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.680 So for those of you who are like, Yelene is 0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:56.080 the better and less murderous Natasha, although we don't know 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:58.719 the murders that she's carried out, but she's under mind controlling. Yeah, 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:03.040 she's cool, you will be uh. One thing that absolutely 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:07.279 delighted me was Rogers the musical. Like I tweeted a 0:42:07.320 --> 0:42:10.040 bunch of song names. Let me just quickly pull them 0:42:10.120 --> 0:42:14.200 up from my version of Rogers the Musical. I think 0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:17.759 we opened with just a kid from Brooklyn obviously. Then 0:42:17.800 --> 0:42:23.920 we go the flagpole g Captain Phillips, my shot, Steve's 0:42:23.920 --> 0:42:27.760 not thrown away his shot of super Soldier Serum, star 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.000 Spangled Man with a Plan. We get the reprise of 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:31.800 Star Spangled Man with a Plan, which is kind of 0:42:31.920 --> 0:42:35.000 like the part where Steve's like, oh, is this all 0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:39.160 there is to this? Heidi, Heidi ho Hydra till the 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:41.919 end of the line and our dance after all this time, 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.799 the sacrifice play, and then finally you're getting sleepy. I 0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:46.520 could do this all day, and then we get a 0:42:47.520 --> 0:42:50.680 uh till the end of the line reprise at the end. 0:42:50.920 --> 0:42:52.480 That's my That's what I think. 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:56.120 That up writing on a Marvel TV show, And I 0:42:56.160 --> 0:42:58.279 will forever just be sitting hell of about stuff because 0:42:58.280 --> 0:43:02.920 literally I came up with I was like, that's America's ass. 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:08.280 I was like, that's the America's ass. America's ass feels 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:12.480 like so you know how in Greece the Broadway. So 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.239 the end song in Grease the movie I Got You 0:43:17.120 --> 0:43:20.840 that was written, that was written for the movie and 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:26.080 as a kind of band slash drama kid nerd. I 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.560 played in the bands that backed the plays at school. 0:43:30.520 --> 0:43:34.120 We were all really pissed because you couldn't play the 0:43:34.200 --> 0:43:37.160 song because they didn't include it with the because they 0:43:37.160 --> 0:43:39.120 read it. They wrote it directly for the for the movie. 0:43:39.160 --> 0:43:41.360 So the rights, there's a whole rights issue, and basically 0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.520 you can only play the music from the Broadway play. 0:43:44.120 --> 0:43:46.160 I think that that's what happens with Rogers the Musical. 0:43:46.360 --> 0:43:50.319 I think when they adapt Rogers the Musical for the 0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:54.880 film version in the MCU, they will have America's ass 0:43:55.000 --> 0:43:58.480 Like as the end song, the big Like number, but 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:00.919 it won't be part of of Rogers the music. 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:06.880 It's a serious, light Broadway musical. Of course, there's emotions 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:07.440 to be had there. 0:44:07.600 --> 0:44:12.080 Yes, and the next up. The first three episodes of 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:15.080 Why the Last Man have dropped on the internet. You 0:44:15.080 --> 0:44:20.239 can watch them on Hulu through FX and These are 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:26.640 adapted from the well regarded and critically acclaimed comics from Vertigo, 0:44:26.920 --> 0:44:31.719 written by Brian Kavon with art by Piagara. I have 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:34.440 watched the first three episodes. I've watched the first six episodes. 0:44:35.000 --> 0:44:36.520 What do you think Rosie. 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:40.240 It did not answer my biggest question about this show sure, 0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:43.920 which is should you have made this show? Does this 0:44:43.960 --> 0:44:46.719 show need to exist in twenty twenty one. I don't 0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:49.879 feel like that is what I saw that that would 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:54.320 be my ye. I feel like it's a very well 0:44:54.360 --> 0:44:55.840 made show. 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:57.640 But it looks great. 0:44:57.680 --> 0:44:59.120 It looks great, but you know what the truth is 0:44:59.160 --> 0:45:01.280 when I think about Why the Last Man, which obviously 0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:05.760 was like such an iconic book for people like our age, 0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:07.399 people a bit older than us, people a bit younger 0:45:07.440 --> 0:45:09.600 than us, that was like the Vertigo book, that is 0:45:09.640 --> 0:45:12.719 like the When I think about that, even the esthetically 0:45:12.880 --> 0:45:15.000 like I think of like Peers R. And I think 0:45:15.040 --> 0:45:17.160 of like the Colors, and it has that comic book 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:21.320 feel to me. The biggest immediate issue of Disconnected is 0:45:21.360 --> 0:45:23.560 it just feels like The Walking Dead And I understand 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.040 why you do that because The Walking Dead is so popular, 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:30.480 but that gritty dark even the setup, the way they 0:45:30.600 --> 0:45:32.760 changed it kind of gives it more of that vibe. 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:37.239 It's not a show that excited me in the way 0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:40.040 that I hoped it would. But again, I do feel 0:45:40.040 --> 0:45:43.680 like for this show to work now, it has to 0:45:43.680 --> 0:45:48.840 be an almost like Watchmen level reconsideration of what it means, 0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:53.120 what you're really dealing with, rather than just like another 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.719 apocalyptic show. And that, for me is is kind of 0:45:56.719 --> 0:45:57.200 what I got. 0:45:57.280 --> 0:46:00.319 I think that's really well said, because my end shoal 0:46:00.360 --> 0:46:05.360 reaction is this is too much of what is actually 0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.680 going on, right, you know, it's about a plague that 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:15.879 kills every holder of the Y chromosome. All men die, 0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:21.959 all male animals die, like wiped out, and the only 0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:26.600 survivor from the men is this character York and his 0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:30.200 monkey Ampersand and what happens now? What happens to the world, 0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:32.120 How does America carry on? How does the world carry out? 0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:36.239 It was a little and what are the political ramifications 0:46:36.239 --> 0:46:40.480 of that? It felt so present that it felt like, Man, 0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:42.400 if I want to catch this fibe, I'll just watch 0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:44.960 the news. Also, I think one of the things that 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:48.840 like kind of bumped me in the comics, there's a 0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:53.160 level of emotional sustain that makes sense for that medium. 0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.920 What I mean by that is Yorick is confronted with 0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:00.840 this massive death, incredible loss. He might see someone's brain's 0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.200 blown out right in front of him, someone dies in 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.680 his arms two panels later, a page later, If that 0:47:07.200 --> 0:47:10.120 if he if that energy seems to have faded away, 0:47:10.360 --> 0:47:13.560 we don't think about that because it's a comic. Uh, 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:15.799 it makes sense that the characters would have moved on 0:47:17.239 --> 0:47:20.240 in the context of this show. It's hard to escape 0:47:20.239 --> 0:47:21.800 that Yorick is just an asshole. 0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:23.120 Oh, like this sucks. 0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:28.359 He's absolute west it And it's really every time he's 0:47:28.400 --> 0:47:31.480 on the screen, I'm like, this fucking guy. It's like, listen, 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.319 everybody has died and you're like, I need to find 0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:38.240 my girlfriend, and like I'm complaining about shit. It's like, dude, 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.520 you have no responsibilities. Your mom's trying to run the country, 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.560 Like what are you and you're sitting here complaining about 0:47:44.640 --> 0:47:47.200 like like your life and stuff like this is so 0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.360 out of touch. And in the comics that kind of 0:47:49.400 --> 0:47:52.759 made sense, and there was like a quippiness and a 0:47:52.960 --> 0:47:57.520 and a breeziness to the horror that to the horror 0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:00.080 of the cond of what was going on in the 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.640 in the world that felt right for a comic book 0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:07.719 and made it and created the kind of tone that 0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:12.480 made it a critically acclaimed book. Taking that directly to 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.160 live action, it's really hard man, And again, this guy 0:48:17.280 --> 0:48:18.880 is uric, just fucking sucks. 0:48:19.040 --> 0:48:20.920 He sucks, And I think that the other thing is, like, 0:48:21.960 --> 0:48:24.840 so something really important to point out right, is like, 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:29.200 so every like cis man dies, right, but that also 0:48:29.280 --> 0:48:31.919 means that a bunch of trans women die, and there's 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:34.560 all these different The way that we talk about gender 0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:36.319 and explore gender has changed so much, and in the 0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.799 original comics that's like one of its biggest flaws when 0:48:38.840 --> 0:48:42.640 you read it back, is it has it's very sensationalist 0:48:42.760 --> 0:48:46.400 and like tropy around ideas of different gender, different ideas 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.800 of gender and the way that people would be affected 0:48:49.800 --> 0:48:53.040 by this y chromosome. So it's very bio essentialist whatever bullshit. 0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.680 But like, I don't feel like there's still something about 0:48:57.719 --> 0:49:00.000 the original version of Euorp that feels kind of like, 0:49:00.440 --> 0:49:02.160 I don't know, maybe it was the era of the time, 0:49:02.520 --> 0:49:06.080 but him being a jerk it kind of fits. You're like, 0:49:06.160 --> 0:49:10.279 he's this unlikable, like he sucks, he's just this average guy. 0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:14.240 But twenty years later, when those guys are like ruling 0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:16.360 the country and every story is still about them, it 0:49:16.360 --> 0:49:19.000 doesn't feel that way. It's like, I don't I understand 0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.879 now why they were thinking of casting Barry keone who 0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:26.200 from because he's a creepy, good, weird actor. 0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:29.359 And when I saw that, I was like, Oh, I 0:49:29.400 --> 0:49:31.560 was like, if you're gonna do yorick, but you know, 0:49:31.719 --> 0:49:34.720 Yorick sucks, and like we are left in this position 0:49:34.760 --> 0:49:37.880 where the last CIS guy on earth? 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:43.000 Is this just the worst dude who's so ungrateful for 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:44.600 it and you are knowledgeable about it. I was like, 0:49:44.680 --> 0:49:49.080 that's interesting. But instead they cast they recast hunky Yorick, 0:49:49.239 --> 0:49:51.600 and you're meant to care about him, and he sucks. 0:49:51.600 --> 0:49:53.759 He's not even a good escape artist, which doesn't make 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:55.960 any sense because he's him being an escape artist is 0:49:56.000 --> 0:49:57.640 important to the story going on. 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:01.240 I agree that would have been really to your earlier 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:04.879 point about like taking it to a Watchman level where 0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:07.800 you're making a different kind of commentary on the world. 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:12.080 Now m m, that would have been really interesting, and 0:50:12.120 --> 0:50:16.520 maybe that happens like a kind of subversive take on 0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:20.439 this regular Cis white guy. He's the last one left, 0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.520 and he's not up to it. He's not up to 0:50:23.760 --> 0:50:27.759 any of the challenges of the world. He's not up 0:50:27.760 --> 0:50:30.760 to the responsibility. He's trying to shirk it and doesn't 0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:33.920 this suck? Yeah, this is him and this is an 0:50:33.960 --> 0:50:37.640 average guy like this is this is We're surrounded by 0:50:37.640 --> 0:50:40.880 these guys in our current life, and I think that 0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:43.480 that would have been cool and subversive. It's but I 0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:45.319 agree with you, they're not. That's not what they're doing. 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.840 They do or and he they want him to be 0:50:47.880 --> 0:50:50.239 the next Rick Grimes or whatever, and he's just some 0:50:50.320 --> 0:50:52.120 guy like and I will say, the one thing I 0:50:52.200 --> 0:50:54.640 think is really good about the show by a mile 0:50:54.880 --> 0:50:58.080 is Ashley Romans as three five the agent. 0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:02.120 He is great. She needs to be the. 0:51:01.680 --> 0:51:04.759 Protagonist, Like she's the best character in the comics. She's 0:51:05.000 --> 0:51:08.080 the best character in the show. I really didn't like 0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:12.400 what they did with hero who in the comics is 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:16.160 that's your sister. She is this complex, she's an EMT. 0:51:16.360 --> 0:51:18.360 She struggles with addictions, trying to get her life together. 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:21.040 In this they randomly made it where she like murdered 0:51:21.080 --> 0:51:24.520 her lover before everyone died, and then they were like, 0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:26.480 and now she's gonna have to live with the guilt, 0:51:26.680 --> 0:51:30.399 And I was like, why, Like one, if she murdered him, 0:51:30.600 --> 0:51:32.359 then what about we just get to see her being 0:51:32.480 --> 0:51:34.920 so stoked that she got away with it because nobody cares. 0:51:35.000 --> 0:51:37.320 I would be interested to see that and two why 0:51:37.360 --> 0:51:39.120 did she have to murder him at all? Like, I 0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:40.839 don't get it. I didn't get it. 0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.680 I guess that's the uh setup for her eventually joining 0:51:44.680 --> 0:51:48.279 the Amazons. But like listen, just as a structural thing, 0:51:49.000 --> 0:51:52.000 they released the first three episodes, which to me is 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:56.320 like a red flag because it says, hey, this should 0:51:56.320 --> 0:52:00.160 really be one episode. What what a single episode of 0:52:00.200 --> 0:52:02.640 the show should do, which is launch you forward into 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:05.000 the story and want and leave you wanting more and 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:08.360 wanting to know what happens. It's actually three episodes that 0:52:08.440 --> 0:52:10.759 does that do that, And you know, the first few 0:52:10.760 --> 0:52:13.040 episodes it feels like kind of nothing happens for a 0:52:13.080 --> 0:52:16.240 long time. It's just like introduction, introduction and the introduction 0:52:16.280 --> 0:52:20.120 of hero in much the same way. It's like, so 0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.080 we go to that, we have her commit the murder, 0:52:22.120 --> 0:52:25.120 and then we just that just goes away, like we know, 0:52:25.239 --> 0:52:26.959 we don't come back to that. I guess we're gonna 0:52:26.960 --> 0:52:29.560 meet her eventually when she has fallen in with the Amazons. 0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:35.360 But like, it just feels like, what happens in episode 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:38.919 three that should be episode one, Like that should that's 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.439 how the story should start. It just is a lot 0:52:41.440 --> 0:52:45.040 of set up and I'll say this, and this is 0:52:45.040 --> 0:52:48.040 a spoiler. So for those of you who have not 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:51.360 read the comics and are going to do it, maybe 0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:55.279 pause or something. But if they pull off a three 0:52:55.400 --> 0:52:59.839 five five uric romance in this show, it is going 0:52:59.840 --> 0:53:03.800 to be one of the greatest accomploicies in storytelling history. 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.920 Because York is such a piece of shit that I 0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:11.319 just can't see it being believable. Yes, he is the 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:14.839 last literally the last guy on earth, but like every 0:53:14.880 --> 0:53:17.520 time he opens his mouth, you're like, dude, shut up 0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:20.759 and please put a fucking leash on your monkey. Like 0:53:20.800 --> 0:53:23.359 that's the That's the other thing on my read. Is 0:53:25.000 --> 0:53:27.400 it really hit at the time? Like that comic again 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:29.279 in the post nine to eleven era, it was like 0:53:30.480 --> 0:53:33.960 it was white like why the Last Man? Uh, Scott 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:38.839 Pilgrim and the Walking Dead were like the critically acclaimed 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:43.160 comic series that like you just had to read, but 0:53:43.320 --> 0:53:46.280 like looking back on it after the third or fourth 0:53:46.640 --> 0:53:50.560 ampersand Escape, put a fucking leash on the monkey, tie 0:53:50.600 --> 0:53:53.760 a rope around the monkey. Why are you constantly letting 0:53:53.800 --> 0:53:56.239 this monkey escape? Anyway? 0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.920 Yorick sucks And like I don't know. I I was 0:54:01.040 --> 0:54:05.040 like hope for the show. It's not for me basically, 0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:07.200 and maybe there's someone out there who's going to be 0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:12.160 like really interested in this deep like political kind of 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:15.160 plot lines they put in. But it's very American centric, 0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:17.040 which I understand on a budget level, but it's also 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:20.920 very different from the comic. And yeah, I just I'll 0:54:20.960 --> 0:54:24.040 be interested. Hopefully they'll maybe do some really subversive stuff. 0:54:24.080 --> 0:54:25.920 I think they really wanted to plan for it to 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.160 be five seasons, so there's a lot of time to 0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:32.319 explore that. But yuric sucks and like you said, there's 0:54:32.320 --> 0:54:34.640 a real plague, So no, thank you. 0:54:35.520 --> 0:54:40.680 It's very rude. But listen, uh, I didn't love The 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:43.839 Walking Dad either. It wasn't for me that but it 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.520 wasn't for me, but like, who knows, maybe it finds 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:48.399 an audience in the same way that The walk found 0:54:48.400 --> 0:54:49.600 a massive eyes I do. 0:54:49.800 --> 0:54:52.120 I do have a Walking Dead dream though, which is like, 0:54:52.520 --> 0:54:54.680 so okay, so I don't. I don't really like the 0:54:54.680 --> 0:54:58.600 Walking Dead show. It's not for me. But when Robert 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:02.040 how Robert Kirkman got The Walking Dead picked up by Image, 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:04.440 he was like driving one of the founders around and 0:55:04.480 --> 0:55:06.239 he was pitching them this comic and it was a 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:07.880 zombie comic, and they were like, no, we don't want 0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.120 a zombie comic. So he told them the twist was 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:15.160 it was actually an alien invasion comic and that the 0:55:15.200 --> 0:55:18.480 aliens were the ones who put the zombies there. And 0:55:18.520 --> 0:55:20.160 then like he puts out the book and the book 0:55:20.200 --> 0:55:22.400 starts coming out and they're like, where are the Aliens? 0:55:22.400 --> 0:55:24.160 And he's like, it's coming. And then the book gets 0:55:24.160 --> 0:55:26.080 so successful they just forgot about it and it was 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.040 just a straight up lie. But now it's the final 0:55:28.080 --> 0:55:29.800 season of The Walking Dead. I'm like, if you actually 0:55:29.800 --> 0:55:31.920 want to make me a fan, just say it was aliens. 0:55:33.760 --> 0:55:36.840 It's like, well, I mean to your point about this 0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:38.640 being like The Walking Dead, you know, one of the 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.200 kind of central mysteries of Why the Last Man is 0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:44.640 like why did this play start? Much like that? And 0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:48.279 much like The Walking Dead, we never really get there, 0:55:48.480 --> 0:55:52.120 like it's it's not about that, it's about journey the 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:56.120 world after this happened. So is that satisfying to people 0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.560 in the same way that like we never find out 0:55:58.640 --> 0:56:01.000 like what what caused the zon Bobbie plague? And in 0:56:01.080 --> 0:56:03.960 The Walking Dead? I don't know, but I wish everyone 0:56:04.000 --> 0:56:06.080 in the best of luck because it does. It looks great, 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:09.560 the performances are very good. It just thus far was 0:56:09.600 --> 0:56:11.640 not for me. When we come back, Rosie and I, 0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:25.719 we'd be diving into Marvel's what If. Okay, welcome to 0:56:25.760 --> 0:56:29.640 the airlock. Today we are going to talk about we're 0:56:29.640 --> 0:56:31.440 going to look forward to what If. This is kind 0:56:31.440 --> 0:56:33.080 of going to come out on a Wednesday, so we're 0:56:33.120 --> 0:56:39.560 going to miss, unfortunately, the what if kill Monger save 0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:43.200 Tony Stark episode, which which is what we expect to 0:56:43.239 --> 0:56:47.560 be that episode. But let's talk about what if. Let's 0:56:47.600 --> 0:56:50.080 talk about the previous episodes, some of the comics stuff, 0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:53.520 and then let's take a look forward into what appears 0:56:53.560 --> 0:56:58.360 to be based off the trailer that recently dropped, what 0:56:58.520 --> 0:57:04.240 appears to be a team up close to this season. 0:57:06.280 --> 0:57:09.359 Super super fun, super exciting. Of course, let's quickly run 0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:12.120 through the episodes. Episodes one, what if Captain Carter were 0:57:12.120 --> 0:57:17.560 the first Avenger? We introduced Shuma Gorerath into XCU continuity, 0:57:18.920 --> 0:57:22.720 What if the Challah became star Lord? Episode two? Super 0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:26.280 fun episode, Yeah, maybe my favorite of the early run. 0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:29.960 Episode three, what If the World Lost its Mightiest Heroes? 0:57:30.520 --> 0:57:34.080 In which Hank him always an asshole in the MCU 0:57:34.160 --> 0:57:38.680 and obviously a troubled figure in Marvel Comics canon. He 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:43.800 just kind of goes ronan serial killer and decides to 0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:46.040 kill all the heroes before they can join up as 0:57:46.080 --> 0:57:48.920 the Avengers. Episode four, what if Doctor Strange lost his 0:57:48.960 --> 0:57:51.560 heart instead of his hands, we get an evil Doctor Strange, 0:57:51.560 --> 0:57:57.560 corrupted Doctor Strange in the in the vernacular of the MCU. 0:57:57.800 --> 0:58:01.520 Episode five, What if Zombies, which I was waiting for, 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:05.520 super fun. Okay, let's pause here for a second. I 0:58:05.600 --> 0:58:10.240 really like this. I really liked this episode. Hope's sacrifice 0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:15.640 hit me. That was really cool. I don't think Stark's 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.640 armor responds to zombie Stark, Like, I don't think it 0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:19.120 would work. 0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:21.760 I think that's this is my biggest This is my 0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:25.840 biggest problem with the episode. Right, I feel like, rather 0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:28.040 than and it's thirty minute episode, I get it, but 0:58:28.080 --> 0:58:32.640 I feel like, rather than doing a zombie story that 0:58:32.720 --> 0:58:35.680 fits into what we love about zombie stories, which is sacrifice, 0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.560 emotional loss. Somebody was like, but what if a zombie 0:58:39.640 --> 0:58:42.600 had Tony Starks armor and like Hulk's powers or whatever, 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:45.600 Like it's a cool idea to have superhero zombies. But 0:58:45.640 --> 0:58:49.400 I don't think that the suit would do that, and 0:58:49.480 --> 0:58:53.360 I don't necessarily like it's a cool action piece. And 0:58:53.400 --> 0:58:55.040 I kind of in that way, I kind of really 0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:58.240 respect the vibe of like just doing like thirty minutes 0:58:58.240 --> 0:59:01.360 of just pure horror action. There's just choices that I 0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.240 do not believe that Bucky could just like kill Steve 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:06.600 and it wouldn't be a thing like that. I know. 0:59:06.680 --> 0:59:08.040 That was very unbelievable. 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:12.440 Unbelievable that was that was very like we're in the 0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:15.800 animated world, and therefore we're going to modulate down like 0:59:15.840 --> 0:59:19.080 the emotional exactly, because he definitely was like I should 0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:21.400 what does he say something like I should feel something? 0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:26.600 Yeah? But and Cap and he's like peace, like cool uh, 0:59:27.520 --> 0:59:30.720 And like I don't. I don't love like I feel 0:59:30.720 --> 0:59:32.360 like I get that you want to have stuff from 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:35.280 the comics, but like I didn't need to see to'challa 0:59:35.400 --> 0:59:38.360 be the one getting zombie munched one again, like we've 0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:40.240 seen that happen to him in the comics. They could 0:59:40.240 --> 0:59:42.480 have changed it. It wasn't. I didn't love it. But you 0:59:42.520 --> 0:59:45.720 know what, wondering vision they deserve each other that we've 0:59:45.800 --> 0:59:50.240 learned now from this episode. Wonderful those two are. 0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.240 I will say, so this is an important thing. I 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:56.800 think that does set up Multiverse of Madness and Phase 0:59:56.800 --> 0:59:59.960 four in general, which is as we saw from Wandavis. 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:05.600 It certainly seems as if we are pivoting towards a 1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:13.120 Wanda who is either a flat out villain or is 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:17.240 the Shades of Gray character much like in the comics, 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:22.920 whose power level makes her either a villain or a 1:00:23.040 --> 1:00:27.840 hero depending on circumstances. And that is, on the one 1:00:27.840 --> 1:00:32.360 hand's super interesting and also, like, I guess they're just 1:00:32.400 --> 1:00:34.480 turning her into Jean Gray in a weird way. But like, 1:00:34.520 --> 1:00:36.840 I know that is how it is. 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:38.800 You know that that is what? Yeah, I mean, even 1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:42.320 the power set the way that it's represented here, I mean, yeah, that. 1:00:42.360 --> 1:00:44.920 Is an interesting thing to note as we go forward, 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:48.760 is Yeah, Listen, in the comics, the relationship between Vision 1:00:48.840 --> 1:00:54.400 and Wanda, their love for each other causes no end 1:00:54.440 --> 1:01:00.520 of problems, up to and including Wanda wishing a way 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:04.720 basically all the mutants. Nearly this is on the heels 1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:08.560 of creating a world in which the mutants had basically won. 1:01:09.240 --> 1:01:12.880 So yeah, with the manipulation of like her brother and 1:01:12.920 --> 1:01:15.880 her dad, well her sometimes brother and dad magneto and quick. 1:01:16.200 --> 1:01:18.480 So this is gonna this is gonna be, This is 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:21.040 gonna be. This is a thing to note going forward, 1:01:21.040 --> 1:01:23.640 because it certainly seems as if we're setting up one 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.720 ye'ld be some sort of villain. 1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:31.240 Definitely, and they're establishing that Vision will do whatever he 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:34.280 needs to do, even in Wonder Vision, like he forgives her, 1:01:34.560 --> 1:01:37.240 you know, like it's it's okay, whatever she's done. And 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:39.960 in this version we get to see him doing these 1:01:40.000 --> 1:01:44.080 horrific things, you know, torturing people, killing people to feed 1:01:44.120 --> 1:01:46.640 his zombie wife. You know. So these two like they 1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:49.240 don't cause some trouble, and they they got some problems, 1:01:49.280 --> 1:01:50.720 they got some marital issues. 1:01:51.400 --> 1:01:53.080 Do we ever get do you think we ever get 1:01:53.200 --> 1:01:53.760 Power Man? 1:01:54.560 --> 1:01:59.560 I do believe that there is a version where we see, 1:01:59.840 --> 1:02:04.160 like Simon Williams Wonder Man like version of Vision, like 1:02:04.240 --> 1:02:06.600 real vision. I think that that could happen. I was 1:02:06.640 --> 1:02:09.600 sure it was going to happen in I thought it 1:02:08.960 --> 1:02:12.640 would in Wonder Vision. I was just sure because it 1:02:12.720 --> 1:02:16.120 makes so much sense, because so in the comics, Vision's 1:02:16.760 --> 1:02:20.840 mind is based on the imprint of Wonder Man's mind, 1:02:20.880 --> 1:02:23.560 and then later on when he turns into White Vision, 1:02:23.600 --> 1:02:26.520 wonderfuls and love Simon Williams, and then it's all very dramatic, 1:02:26.560 --> 1:02:28.840 and obviously that's not how it was in the MCU 1:02:29.120 --> 1:02:34.840 because you have the Tony starkth or Ultron situation. But 1:02:34.920 --> 1:02:37.600 I do I think that that is likely another character 1:02:37.640 --> 1:02:40.960 who was on the Avengers Forever cover. So I I 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:45.560 think it is a likely turn of events. And I 1:02:45.600 --> 1:02:48.360 wouldn't even be surprised if we get some hints towards 1:02:48.400 --> 1:02:50.880 the end of What If after all these episodes that 1:02:50.920 --> 1:02:54.760 have seemed slightly disparate apart from Schumerg the recurring Champion, 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:58.400 But like I wouldn't be I think we're seeing some 1:02:58.520 --> 1:03:00.440 things that are going to be seen into that may and. 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:04.080 MC let's talk about the mid season sneak peak trailer, 1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:10.520 which is super fun. Unfortunately, so if you don't IMDb 1:03:11.000 --> 1:03:15.800 appears to have spoiled what the find the finale is about, 1:03:15.840 --> 1:03:19.600 So if you don't want to hear this, turnaway now, 1:03:19.640 --> 1:03:22.160 but well, I'll just say that the appears that the 1:03:22.680 --> 1:03:27.160 Big Bad of what looks like a team up of 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:30.920 the various heroes introduced through the over the course of 1:03:30.960 --> 1:03:33.800 the series, who then join together under the Moniker the 1:03:33.840 --> 1:03:38.120 Guardians of the Multiverse will be fighting Infinite Ultron, which 1:03:38.160 --> 1:03:42.040 is kind of like a merging of Ultron with the Vision, 1:03:43.280 --> 1:03:47.160 a seeming nod to both the Age the Comics Age 1:03:47.160 --> 1:03:51.720 of Ultron limited series crossover event and also like Annihilation 1:03:51.880 --> 1:03:56.120 Conquest in which Ultron sends himself out out into space 1:03:56.200 --> 1:03:58.600 and becomes like an army of Ultrons and then just 1:03:58.600 --> 1:03:59.920 starts like knocking off planets. 1:04:00.240 --> 1:04:02.680 Yeah, and there's even like there's like what if issues 1:04:02.680 --> 1:04:05.440 that play on that too, like what if Vision defeated 1:04:05.480 --> 1:04:07.520 the Avengers. So this it kind of plays on what 1:04:07.560 --> 1:04:10.520 you were already hinting, which is this idea of Vision 1:04:10.760 --> 1:04:14.840 and Wanda potentially being these gray area antagonist characters that 1:04:14.920 --> 1:04:17.760 kind of live outside of that safe bubble of the Avengers. 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:22.040 So the the mid season sneak Peak trailer is super 1:04:22.040 --> 1:04:28.439 super fun, and we have four episodes left. Of course, 1:04:28.480 --> 1:04:30.520 again this is coming out on the day and episode drops, 1:04:30.720 --> 1:04:35.520 So I would assume that we get Thor we have 1:04:35.640 --> 1:04:37.800 we'd have to get Thor. Thor appears in this sneak 1:04:37.840 --> 1:04:44.560 Peak episode. He is dead in the in the Cannon 1:04:44.600 --> 1:04:47.960 that we have now killed by Hank Pim. But so 1:04:48.000 --> 1:04:50.600 I would assume we get Thor probably in the in 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:54.600 the what if Killmongers save Tony Stark episode, we still 1:04:54.640 --> 1:04:57.280 need to get we would need to get Tony Stark 1:04:57.320 --> 1:05:01.040 probably from there. That's where we get kill Munger from 1:05:01.120 --> 1:05:05.200 Kill Munger is early in this episode. Let's see Hawkeye 1:05:05.240 --> 1:05:10.360 has been introduced, Spider Man has been introduced. Oh here's 1:05:10.400 --> 1:05:14.080 a fun idea. So we see Gomorra in Thanos armor, 1:05:14.120 --> 1:05:19.640 and we also see Coorg in what appears to be Siicar, 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:25.120 and we also see the Grand Master dj if hypothesis, 1:05:25.240 --> 1:05:29.960 if this is somehow based on Annihilation Conquest or something 1:05:30.000 --> 1:05:35.600 like that Age of Old, maybe I'm gonna say that 1:05:35.640 --> 1:05:37.760 we're probably getting like a two part finale in which 1:05:37.840 --> 1:05:41.920 the penultimate episode is like the setup. We need to 1:05:42.000 --> 1:05:43.840 here comes the threat, we need to figure out how 1:05:43.840 --> 1:05:46.800 to face the threat, and then they defeat the threat. 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:51.760 So I think it's some version of It's possibly some 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:55.720 version of like, let's get the Infinity Gauntlet from Zombie 1:05:55.800 --> 1:05:59.800 Thanos so we can beat this guy. And when Ultron 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:04.200 is you know, zooming towards Earth, maybe he takes out 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:07.120 Scar and that is how we see Corgan the Grandmaster. 1:06:07.440 --> 1:06:10.680 Yeah, so I'm gonna throw in something very funny, The 1:06:10.800 --> 1:06:15.080 Joys of Capitalism. Yeah, and so I was in Target 1:06:15.400 --> 1:06:18.040 and I saw a what if lego set. Now there 1:06:18.080 --> 1:06:20.480 are two what if Lego sets that have been released. 1:06:20.520 --> 1:06:26.240 One is what If Hydra Stomper the Cool Captain Carr 1:06:26.840 --> 1:06:32.840 Steve Rodgers Stomper and the other one was that one 1:06:33.000 --> 1:06:36.240 very core. I love it. It's a rad design, so 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:38.560 that shows that they are making things there in the show. 1:06:38.800 --> 1:06:43.600 The other one was Tony Stark's Sakarian Armor and it 1:06:43.680 --> 1:06:46.640 was basically Tony in like a circar mec. So I 1:06:46.680 --> 1:06:49.080 do wonder if you're a scent I think you might 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.160 be on the right track. I just think that maybe 1:06:51.520 --> 1:06:55.040 something to do with Killmonger saving Tony is going to 1:06:55.160 --> 1:06:57.560 end up with them on that space, which is also 1:06:57.600 --> 1:07:01.680 where we could potentially see thought yes and something along 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:05.160 those lines. But I definitely, I definitely think that the 1:07:05.240 --> 1:07:07.080 two part finale makes sense. I think you're going to 1:07:07.120 --> 1:07:09.680 get the assembling of the team, yeah, and then you're 1:07:09.680 --> 1:07:12.080 going to get that we gotta fight kind of thing. 1:07:12.160 --> 1:07:15.480 The big question is do you think Uatu like the 1:07:15.520 --> 1:07:17.600 Watcher is going to join them, because I think that 1:07:17.680 --> 1:07:20.560 will be the thing. I think that might be the 1:07:20.640 --> 1:07:23.320 secret kind of Guardians of the Multiverse helper. 1:07:23.600 --> 1:07:25.880 I mean, I think they've been hinting at it now. Listen, 1:07:25.920 --> 1:07:29.040 o Watu famously does not interfere in the comics, he 1:07:29.120 --> 1:07:32.800 does not interfere what a lie what he has. Of course, 1:07:33.120 --> 1:07:37.320 when in any story, when when a character who is 1:07:37.360 --> 1:07:41.200 recurring says, I won't do this, the only way the 1:07:41.240 --> 1:07:44.520 story works is if you is, if the creators create 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:48.000 the context for that person then breaking that rule and 1:07:48.040 --> 1:07:51.880 doing it so I feel like he has to get 1:07:51.920 --> 1:07:53.640 involved somehow, right, Like it has to happen. 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:57.120 Yeah, And if you think about, like just aesthetically, the 1:07:57.160 --> 1:07:59.520 way the show looks, the animation they use. One of 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:01.240 the coolest things about it has been how they bring 1:08:01.280 --> 1:08:03.840 him to life with like the stars and the different representations. 1:08:03.840 --> 1:08:05.560 So if you're gonna have this huge Guardians of the 1:08:05.600 --> 1:08:08.919 Multiverse team with all these different rad characters, it would 1:08:08.920 --> 1:08:12.080 be very It would be a cool visual storytelling thing 1:08:12.160 --> 1:08:14.680 to have him there alongside them. And like in the comics, 1:08:14.720 --> 1:08:16.840 I think in the Eternals two thousand and eight series, 1:08:17.080 --> 1:08:22.240 the Dreaming Celestial says he's broken it like four hundred times, 1:08:22.280 --> 1:08:24.519 like he's his thing not to interfit and then like 1:08:25.000 --> 1:08:27.920 one of my favorite ones is in this Fantastic Four 1:08:27.960 --> 1:08:30.479 comic in the eighties ages like in nineteen eighty four, 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:36.280 the Oatu is like Read Richard's Lawyer because Read Richards 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:42.120 like saves Galactus or something. But I feel like, especially 1:08:42.240 --> 1:08:47.920 after the emotional kind of drive behind the Doctor Strange 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:50.920 episode where you really saw are to make that choice 1:08:50.920 --> 1:08:53.639 to not help because it was all about strangers arrogance, 1:08:54.479 --> 1:08:57.280 I think that was like setting here's the line he 1:08:57.360 --> 1:09:00.559 won't cross, but maybe we're going to get see the 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:01.880 one he will court. 1:09:01.920 --> 1:09:03.920 I think we'll see something like that. You know, the 1:09:04.000 --> 1:09:09.200 multiverse is so threatened that you know, what does it matter? 1:09:09.360 --> 1:09:11.080 What does it mean to be a watcher if there's 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:15.240 nothing to watch exactly? And I think that's when Uwatu, 1:09:15.280 --> 1:09:18.839 and again it's not actually confirmed that he is Uatu, 1:09:18.880 --> 1:09:20.880 but we'll just call him a Watu for now, the 1:09:20.920 --> 1:09:27.559 watch the Watcher. I think that is when Uwatu decides, fine, 1:09:27.720 --> 1:09:33.160 I will help you by either providing information about the 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:37.240 things that he's seen. He knows about these other multiverses. 1:09:37.280 --> 1:09:40.080 How are they gonna get together? Right? He's gonna say, 1:09:40.360 --> 1:09:42.360 I know someone who can help. I know a hero 1:09:42.479 --> 1:09:43.840 from this other multiple. 1:09:44.280 --> 1:09:46.520 And like a multiverse or Nick Fury. 1:09:46.240 --> 1:09:48.920 Yes, and that is how they will all get together 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:51.200 because they don't know about each other right now. So 1:09:51.320 --> 1:09:53.439 I think Owatu will come to a point where he 1:09:53.720 --> 1:09:57.720 sees the multiverse under existential threat, and he and one 1:09:57.760 --> 1:10:00.680 of these heroes will appeal to him how you can't really, like, 1:10:01.479 --> 1:10:04.759 I can't do this alone, and then Oatu will say, okay, fine, 1:10:05.120 --> 1:10:08.560 I know other people who can help, and then it 1:10:08.600 --> 1:10:10.599 will probably be up to that hero to figure out 1:10:10.640 --> 1:10:13.679 how to get to those timelines to bring the people in. 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:15.439 But I think that's how it happens. 1:10:15.600 --> 1:10:17.559 Yeah, I think you're definitely right, because when you even 1:10:17.600 --> 1:10:19.760 think about the name of the team, the Guardians of 1:10:19.800 --> 1:10:24.080 the Multiverse, that very specific. They are protecting everything. Yeah, 1:10:24.120 --> 1:10:26.559 it's like you are too. Wouldn't save Doctor Strange or 1:10:26.560 --> 1:10:29.760 the Watch, wouldn't save Doctor Strange's one universe that he 1:10:29.920 --> 1:10:33.000 messed up with his own selfish things. But if it's 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:35.599 every universe, then surely you have to step in because 1:10:35.600 --> 1:10:37.320 otherwise do you even exist? 1:10:37.560 --> 1:10:41.600 Like you know, for if people want to get some 1:10:41.840 --> 1:10:46.439 Uatu comics knowledge, where would you where would you point 1:10:46.520 --> 1:10:46.840 them to? 1:10:47.200 --> 1:10:50.000 I think that I do like, I like the weird 1:10:50.080 --> 1:10:52.680 old stuff, so like the Fantastic four stuff like the 1:10:53.320 --> 1:10:56.960 eighties and it basically any weird like comic you could 1:10:57.000 --> 1:10:59.439 pick up in a you know, a quarter bin is 1:10:59.439 --> 1:11:02.560 really my favorite stuff. But there is like speaking of 1:11:02.640 --> 1:11:05.600 Jason Aaron again with actually Might the Other to the 1:11:06.280 --> 1:11:10.479 Invincible Iron Man Artist. Yeah, there was an Original Sin 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:13.439 Original Sin series. I think people really really like dig 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:14.040 on that one. 1:11:14.560 --> 1:11:18.240 That was a fun like Marvel does. Yeah, Marvel doesn't 1:11:18.280 --> 1:11:20.880 do Who Done It very often and so like, yeah, 1:11:21.160 --> 1:11:25.720 it's like I dug the who Done It ness of it. 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:29.040 I would I would argue that the that the reveal 1:11:29.160 --> 1:11:32.880 is not super satisfying, but like the journey is is 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:33.519 pretty fun. 1:11:34.600 --> 1:11:36.519 Yeah, and I think that. I think that. I think 1:11:36.640 --> 1:11:42.080 that also just looking for any comics that are cosmic, 1:11:42.160 --> 1:11:44.640 you'll usually find the watches popping up. Yeah, I'm a 1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:47.080 big fan of any kind of like Infinity Want the 1:11:47.200 --> 1:11:49.920 Infinity War, that kind of stuff, Like they're always popping 1:11:49.960 --> 1:11:52.840 up doing some nonsense, the Dreaming, the Eternals, the two 1:11:52.840 --> 1:11:55.320 thousand and eight, which I think is volume three series 1:11:55.360 --> 1:11:58.120 that has quite a lot of a war Tu centric 1:11:58.160 --> 1:11:59.960 stuff because like a war two doesn't want to walk 1:12:00.000 --> 1:12:02.840 when the Dreaming Celestial is worn and stuff like that. 1:12:02.960 --> 1:12:06.000 So like, I feel like that. I feel like the 1:12:06.040 --> 1:12:07.840 fact that we've got this what if series, and my 1:12:07.840 --> 1:12:10.400 brain does always make connections that are not always true 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:12.320 because I just have too much information in there and 1:12:12.320 --> 1:12:14.320 trying to make sense of it. But the I was 1:12:14.360 --> 1:12:16.120 thinking about that Eternal stuff a lot, and I was 1:12:16.160 --> 1:12:19.160 feeling like what if right now introducing the concept of 1:12:19.200 --> 1:12:22.480 the Watcher and then having this emergence in the Eternals 1:12:22.479 --> 1:12:24.479 movie and stuff, I feel like there's this is again 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:26.280 something that could very easily cross over. 1:12:26.479 --> 1:12:29.160 I agree with you. And then certainly, you know, as 1:12:29.160 --> 1:12:33.439 we saw from the announcement for Avengance Forever, this stuff 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:36.599 is is it's starting to cross over now like once, 1:12:37.880 --> 1:12:42.760 we haven't seen anything jump obviously it's too soon, right, 1:12:43.000 --> 1:12:45.000 but we but it's yet to be seen if stuff 1:12:45.040 --> 1:12:48.439 will jump directly from animated to live action, but certainly 1:12:48.560 --> 1:12:53.200 jumping from live action animated to comics is yeah, the 1:12:53.240 --> 1:12:57.679 next step is live action. Yeah, yeah, I'm I gotta say, 1:12:57.760 --> 1:13:00.920 like if what if? Really, I think they'll I think 1:13:00.920 --> 1:13:04.840 they will nail listen that animated is I love animated 1:13:04.920 --> 1:13:07.519 series and then this is like, again something that I've 1:13:07.560 --> 1:13:09.040 been waiting for for a long time. I think that 1:13:09.640 --> 1:13:12.599 if they nail this team up, it opens the door 1:13:12.680 --> 1:13:16.200 to a lot of really really fun things. Brad winder Bomb, 1:13:16.240 --> 1:13:19.360 the head of Streaming TV and animation at Marvel, said quote, 1:13:19.600 --> 1:13:22.519 all Marvel projects are in some way connected. There's always 1:13:22.560 --> 1:13:26.519 the potential with regards to animation going to live action. Again, 1:13:26.560 --> 1:13:30.680 I would imagine it seems to me more plausible that 1:13:30.760 --> 1:13:35.320 it would go animation to Comics two. 1:13:35.640 --> 1:13:41.280 Because becomes canon then yeah, the correct but yeah, it's 1:13:41.280 --> 1:13:44.160 super super funny. Yeah. I also think that, like you're 1:13:44.160 --> 1:13:47.640 so right about that. I think that if this lands 1:13:47.680 --> 1:13:49.880 in the way that they want it to, I just 1:13:49.920 --> 1:13:53.879 think there's so much space for a mark a solid 1:13:54.160 --> 1:13:57.679 Marvel animation because like, yeah, we will have amazing memories 1:13:57.680 --> 1:13:59.479 of the X Men ninety show and stuff. But like 1:13:59.520 --> 1:14:02.840 if you've like one wasn't made by Marvel two, Like 1:14:04.040 --> 1:14:08.320 the animation is very nineties, that's the nice place the 1:14:08.400 --> 1:14:10.439 quality of it, you know, and in a world where 1:14:10.520 --> 1:14:14.960 DC is putting out multiple incredible, like cinema level, iconic 1:14:15.479 --> 1:14:20.000 like animated movies, obviously you have a space now because 1:14:20.000 --> 1:14:23.800 of streaming services. People are getting to watch not just 1:14:23.880 --> 1:14:27.000 classic anime series and stuff, but also like brand new 1:14:27.040 --> 1:14:29.840 anime at all times, Like there's always new stuff coming 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:32.639 out that's inspiring people. This is a space where Marvel, 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:34.840 I think not just can grow, but kind of needs 1:14:34.920 --> 1:14:35.360 to grow. 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:39.960 Well, where DC really took the lead. I think one 1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:41.920 of the great things that DC has done is they 1:14:41.960 --> 1:14:46.400 made animated versions of some of their great arcs, great stories. 1:14:48.000 --> 1:14:50.240 That's the next step if Marvel wants to and it 1:14:50.280 --> 1:14:52.280 wants to get into the space, it's like, what what 1:14:52.360 --> 1:14:56.679 do we have in the vaults that And I don't 1:14:56.680 --> 1:15:01.200 think it's I don't think U the story already being 1:15:01.200 --> 1:15:03.840 adapted for live actions, say the Ultimates or something like that. 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:06.800 I don't think that's a problem because the live actions 1:15:06.800 --> 1:15:09.479 are so different, it's different. What do you think is 1:15:09.560 --> 1:15:12.960 like the arcs to pick if they're gonna do that? 1:15:13.080 --> 1:15:15.120 This is what I think is the most obvious thing, right, 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:17.280 And I really liked What If, But I would hope 1:15:17.280 --> 1:15:19.960 that this I think, like the Doctor Strange episode, specifically, 1:15:19.960 --> 1:15:22.799 some of the face animation wasn't really like one hundred 1:15:22.800 --> 1:15:27.479 percent there, Like I would love to see a lot 1:15:27.520 --> 1:15:31.200 of money thrown at a real Infinity Saga, like a 1:15:31.360 --> 1:15:35.360 real like from the comics. Imagine that sprawling you. It 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:38.320 doesn't matter. People have seen the MCU, they've read the comics, 1:15:38.360 --> 1:15:40.479 they know who Fanos is. You can do Adam Warlock, 1:15:40.880 --> 1:15:45.120 the just imagine the cosmos like the Unbelievable Adventure, getting 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:47.240 to see the duality of all those characters. And then 1:15:47.680 --> 1:15:49.680 if you want, you can even call it like Infinity 1:15:49.720 --> 1:15:53.040 Saga legacy or whatever, and it's a way to once 1:15:53.080 --> 1:15:56.639 again reintroduce characters. The thing. Now, there's a million other 1:15:56.720 --> 1:15:58.479 stories that I would love to see as well, like 1:15:59.240 --> 1:16:02.120 why not make a fensetastic four movie based on like 1:16:02.160 --> 1:16:05.479 that introduction of Galactus. You know you could, you could 1:16:05.520 --> 1:16:08.360 really do that that that little short arc. Marvel has 1:16:08.439 --> 1:16:11.519 so many famous like three four issue. Yes, but I 1:16:11.600 --> 1:16:14.240 do think that post MCU, post what they call the 1:16:14.280 --> 1:16:17.400 Infinity Saga, if you're going to make an animated movie 1:16:17.600 --> 1:16:19.880 or a series of animated movies, that is a place 1:16:19.920 --> 1:16:22.519 where you could do something really spectacular that would really 1:16:22.560 --> 1:16:25.559 make you stand out, that is also already accessible to 1:16:25.560 --> 1:16:27.880 people who love the MCU. Do you have any that 1:16:27.920 --> 1:16:29.200 you would love to see? 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:31.240 I would love to see a bunch of X Men stuff. 1:16:31.280 --> 1:16:33.880 Like take any of the of the great arcs of 1:16:33.880 --> 1:16:38.439 the Claremont era and just directly translate them as Guardian Wars, 1:16:39.040 --> 1:16:41.920 which is the X Men and the New Mutants getting 1:16:41.960 --> 1:16:44.960 wrapped up in a bunch of skullduggery and Asgard would 1:16:45.000 --> 1:16:50.639 be an absolutely like incredible animated series. Avengers under Siege, 1:16:50.880 --> 1:16:54.400 the famous Roger Stern arc in which the Masters of 1:16:54.439 --> 1:16:58.280 Evil break into the Avengers mansion and basically lay waste 1:16:58.280 --> 1:17:02.080 to it, and it's up to Wasp and Black Knight 1:17:02.160 --> 1:17:05.800 and Captain America basically to like take it back. Hercules 1:17:05.840 --> 1:17:12.960 gets his fucking ass dump, you know, Like you know, 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:15.559 Ultimate Spider Man is kind of like a no brainer, 1:17:15.640 --> 1:17:18.400 Like like the early Ultimate Ultimate spider Man arcs are 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:20.960 like if you made a two hour Ultimate Spider Man 1:17:21.200 --> 1:17:24.040 like movie that's based like right off of the first 1:17:24.200 --> 1:17:26.679 like twenty four issues of that comic, I think that's 1:17:27.000 --> 1:17:28.519 that would absolutely hit. 1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:30.800 Yeah. I think that there's like a really into when 1:17:30.800 --> 1:17:32.400 you brought Roger Sterne as well. Like I was just 1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:35.360 thinking of some comics that like so something that I 1:17:35.360 --> 1:17:38.479 think a lot of people really especially like people our 1:17:38.520 --> 1:17:41.120 age people a bit older. The Bob Late and Iron 1:17:41.200 --> 1:17:45.080 Man stuff where Tony's like struggling with addiction. Yeah, that's 1:17:45.120 --> 1:17:48.360 not really gonna they touch on it, ay the tiniest 1:17:48.439 --> 1:17:50.840 knots in the MCU because they know people care about it. 1:17:50.840 --> 1:17:53.240 But imagine if you made an animated movie that was 1:17:53.280 --> 1:17:55.960 actually just about like Tony at his lowest but kind 1:17:55.960 --> 1:17:59.040 of coming through it. Like DC has broached that R 1:17:59.160 --> 1:18:02.760 rated boundary. You know, they've done the Dark Night Returns, 1:18:02.800 --> 1:18:05.680 They've done like these different things. You could use this 1:18:05.720 --> 1:18:08.519 as a space. I do think the most likely first 1:18:08.600 --> 1:18:10.600 version of it is seeding stuff. Whether you are going 1:18:10.680 --> 1:18:13.759 to do something, they'll be really cool like that Jason 1:18:13.800 --> 1:18:18.400 Aarron Like, uh see Wakanda and Die the Secret Invasion Wakanda, 1:18:18.520 --> 1:18:20.960 Like that's a great art that's really visually interesting that 1:18:21.000 --> 1:18:24.120 you could really use to set up the Secret Invasion show. Right, 1:18:24.160 --> 1:18:27.000 that's gonna happen. So I think seeding stuff is really 1:18:27.320 --> 1:18:29.559 what they're going to be doing. But just now talking 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:32.080 to you, I just realized that something that's really cool 1:18:32.160 --> 1:18:34.559 is it could be a space for stories from the 1:18:34.560 --> 1:18:36.960 comics that we're probably never going to see in live action, 1:18:37.479 --> 1:18:39.759 a little bit more deep cut, a little bit darker. 1:18:40.400 --> 1:18:43.439 I'm not saying born again again, you know, it's a 1:18:43.439 --> 1:18:44.640 great exactly. 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:46.920 But then again I realized I just jinxed myself because 1:18:47.080 --> 1:18:50.439 my worst nightmare would be like a trouble animated series 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:53.920 about like sexy slight, aren't they And I'm like, that's. 1:18:55.720 --> 1:18:56.920 Like, I don't. 1:18:57.040 --> 1:18:59.200 I don't think they'll ever. For instance, in live action, 1:19:00.520 --> 1:19:03.639 people are like, oh, Craven's Last Hunt, Cravens Last Hunt, 1:19:03.680 --> 1:19:09.040 like that is such a dark comic. Like rereading it, 1:19:09.120 --> 1:19:10.560 I was shocked. 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:13.000 How but it would be an amazing animated. 1:19:12.560 --> 1:19:15.759 But as an animated it would be really really really cool. 1:19:16.080 --> 1:19:19.360 And also like because you know, listen, we'll probably never 1:19:20.840 --> 1:19:24.720 well who knows, but like a very very clean and 1:19:24.760 --> 1:19:27.559 easy way to do like why not do the classic 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:30.200 saga of the of the Alien Suit? Like do that 1:19:30.320 --> 1:19:33.799 do that? You know Peter comes back from Secret Wars 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:36.920 and then the whole thing like that was such an 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:38.080 iconic run. 1:19:38.320 --> 1:19:40.160 I do think that one of the things that people 1:19:40.200 --> 1:19:42.640 don't really I talk like, I'm always thinking about this, 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:44.880 and I do think one of the things. The reason 1:19:44.920 --> 1:19:47.880 why that X Men cartoon, the ninety Spider Man cartoon, 1:19:48.080 --> 1:19:50.240 I think the reason that those really spoke to people 1:19:50.280 --> 1:19:52.760 even when they were just kids, right, is because they 1:19:52.840 --> 1:19:56.320 did these really really really really really really really simplified 1:19:56.400 --> 1:20:01.600 versions of these iconic arcs, whether it's you know, the Phoenix, 1:20:01.720 --> 1:20:04.120 whether it's the Black Suit. Like, they're not great, but 1:20:04.160 --> 1:20:06.519 you're taking from these stories that have so much depth. 1:20:06.600 --> 1:20:10.760 So to be able to actually do like a Phoenix saga, 1:20:11.000 --> 1:20:14.360 a true Phoenix saga, or a true you know, black 1:20:14.360 --> 1:20:18.160 Suit Spider Man, but maybe the kind of I mean, 1:20:18.200 --> 1:20:20.040 obviously we know it was Sony, but like into the 1:20:20.080 --> 1:20:22.719 Spider Verse just opened up the idea of what animation 1:20:22.800 --> 1:20:25.960 can be in these stories. And I feel like there's 1:20:25.960 --> 1:20:28.680 so many lessons there for everyone to learn. And I 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:31.400 think that I definitely thought what if it was? I 1:20:31.439 --> 1:20:33.760 had quite a low expectations because for a long time, 1:20:33.800 --> 1:20:36.840 my understanding of Marvel animation was those terrible motion comics 1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:39.519 they would make out of arcs, which were like really 1:20:39.600 --> 1:20:42.000 upsetting to me. I have like a real aversion to 1:20:42.040 --> 1:20:44.040 a motion comic. I think it's because they used to 1:20:44.040 --> 1:20:46.400 sell that Watchmen motion comic in every comic shop for 1:20:46.400 --> 1:20:47.120 like twenty pounds. 1:20:47.200 --> 1:20:50.240 Well, I mean, it's just like just make the animated 1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:53.439 series or don't don't ease, but don't do this. But 1:20:53.439 --> 1:20:55.360 but to be honest with you, I think that that was. 1:20:55.400 --> 1:20:57.600 What it blew me away. Yea, yeah, because that was 1:20:57.640 --> 1:20:59.880 like that was it was like a step they I 1:21:00.120 --> 1:21:01.960 wasn't expecting the animation to be so good. I feel 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:05.200 like they found this really dynamic, unique way of telling 1:21:05.280 --> 1:21:08.000 these stories that represents the characters in a way that 1:21:08.000 --> 1:21:11.000 you know them, but that has a lot of fun 1:21:11.280 --> 1:21:13.400 out there stuff that you need from what if. So 1:21:13.520 --> 1:21:15.760 I'm really excited to see what that next step is 1:21:15.880 --> 1:21:19.080 and how they could bring like I don't want them 1:21:19.080 --> 1:21:21.559 to get stuck in one animation style. I think the 1:21:21.640 --> 1:21:26.080 idea of having multiple animation styles potentially inspired by some 1:21:26.120 --> 1:21:28.040 of these great artists that we love, or just doing 1:21:28.120 --> 1:21:30.760 something totally different than fits the story. I think that's 1:21:30.840 --> 1:21:33.800 just a really exciting next step and maybe even a world. 1:21:33.840 --> 1:21:37.599 You know, Disney is known for releasing animated movies, Disney 1:21:37.640 --> 1:21:39.559 picks up, maybe there's a world where we could one 1:21:39.600 --> 1:21:41.600 day see like an X Men animated movie in a 1:21:41.680 --> 1:21:44.160 theater Like that just warms my heart. That idea, that's 1:21:44.200 --> 1:21:44.880 something I could. 1:21:44.760 --> 1:21:46.880 See up next. In the Hive Mind, I chat with 1:21:47.040 --> 1:21:59.519 Shang Chi and the Legend and the ten Ring star Simouliu. Hey, guys, Hello, 1:21:59.600 --> 1:22:00.000 how are you? 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:01.360 I'm really good man, how are you? 1:22:01.680 --> 1:22:05.280 I'm doing great. The movie is fantastic. It was an 1:22:05.360 --> 1:22:08.439 extremely emotional experience as a long time a comic book 1:22:08.479 --> 1:22:13.679 fan to watch it and congratulations on not only getting 1:22:13.680 --> 1:22:15.960 the role, but becoming a funko pop and an action figure. 1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:20.559 When did it become real for you? Like, oh my god, 1:22:20.560 --> 1:22:22.800 we're doing this? Was it the chemistry read was it 1:22:22.880 --> 1:22:26.160 the call from from Marvel? Was it the costume fitting? 1:22:26.320 --> 1:22:27.320 I think it was Comic Con. 1:22:27.360 --> 1:22:31.280 I think it was just been you know, cast four 1:22:31.400 --> 1:22:33.280 days and I was asked to fly down to San 1:22:33.320 --> 1:22:38.360 Diego and meet everybody. And I mean everybody. I mean 1:22:38.479 --> 1:22:43.040 we're talking like you know post Endgame. Wow, the like 1:22:43.160 --> 1:22:46.240 the comic Con that happened. You know, Endgame had literally 1:22:46.360 --> 1:22:49.639 just come out two months prior. Everyone was like, what 1:22:49.840 --> 1:22:53.080 is face for? There's all these question marks. Nobody knew 1:22:53.120 --> 1:22:56.439 what was happening. People speculated, but you know that that 1:22:56.520 --> 1:22:57.840 was the landscape that I fel So it was a 1:22:57.960 --> 1:23:02.879 very very exciting year. People from every single upcoming movie, 1:23:03.160 --> 1:23:06.080 Disney plus project, they all flew in and all of 1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:09.760 a sudden, I found myself on stage with Angelina. 1:23:09.400 --> 1:23:11.800 Jolie, with Chris Hemsworth. 1:23:11.439 --> 1:23:14.360 With you know, Sebastian Stan Anthony Mackie, like just some 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:19.880 of the most famous people on earth and me in 1:23:19.880 --> 1:23:22.360 in my skinny jeans from. 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:26.240 Zara Great I mean a great a great outlet. 1:23:26.320 --> 1:23:30.240 Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, knock on Zara. 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:31.679 But I mean some of these some of these people 1:23:31.680 --> 1:23:32.280 were just I. 1:23:32.200 --> 1:23:35.720 Mean they looked like the visage of beauty and then 1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:38.639 I looked I just like some schmuck that had just 1:23:38.760 --> 1:23:41.719 shown up out of the blue, like off the street 1:23:41.840 --> 1:23:46.479 or just stepped on stage randomly. But yeah, just just 1:23:46.520 --> 1:23:50.880 being there among among everybody really really just hit that 1:23:50.920 --> 1:23:51.360 home for me. 1:23:51.560 --> 1:23:53.639 It's I mean, it's been so meaningful for me as 1:23:53.680 --> 1:23:57.799 a you know, Asian American to to to watch this happen. 1:23:58.600 --> 1:24:01.360 Are you, like, how much are you of allowing yourself 1:24:01.400 --> 1:24:04.360 to feel that, to feel like, what an amazing moment, 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:07.439 especially after a tough year it's been for for Asians 1:24:07.439 --> 1:24:11.800 in the West, like for to be that representative figure. 1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:13.360 I am a I. 1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:17.040 Think of myself as a representative figure, and I think 1:24:17.080 --> 1:24:20.080 it it is a wonderful moment for our community. Because 1:24:20.600 --> 1:24:23.840 we finally, you know, get to have a lead superhero. 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:27.519 We get to watch a movie where that you know, 1:24:27.600 --> 1:24:30.960 the title is an Asian is an Asian name, and 1:24:31.000 --> 1:24:33.080 I think that's so incredible. But but further than that, 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:36.120 I think there's also you know, many other Asian characters 1:24:36.120 --> 1:24:39.760 in our story that you know, are are you know, 1:24:39.840 --> 1:24:43.840 equally bad ass, have have amazing arcs and their own 1:24:44.080 --> 1:24:48.439 dimensionality and nuance, which which is incredible. But uh yeah, 1:24:48.479 --> 1:24:50.400 I mean I've never I've never kind of shied away 1:24:50.439 --> 1:24:54.840 from from being one of you know, some somebody who's 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:56.000 who's outspoken about that. 1:24:56.200 --> 1:24:58.880 I think, Uh, I owe a lot of my career too, 1:25:00.120 --> 1:25:01.320 to you know. 1:25:01.400 --> 1:25:05.160 The gates opening and Asian creatives being allowed to tell 1:25:05.200 --> 1:25:09.240 their stories, from Kim's Convenience to you know, Nora from 1:25:09.280 --> 1:25:13.080 Queen's Fresh off the Boat. I mean, without the community, 1:25:13.120 --> 1:25:15.479 there literally is none of none of those things. So 1:25:16.720 --> 1:25:19.120 I'm very happy to be one of their, one of 1:25:19.120 --> 1:25:22.679 the many representatives and to and to speak out about 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:25.320 about issues that I think affect us. 1:25:25.360 --> 1:25:28.559 Our communities come out in a in a massive way 1:25:28.640 --> 1:25:28.960 for us. 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:30.280 I mean it's a massive. 1:25:31.400 --> 1:25:34.400 Anecdotally just what I see on the street, it's what 1:25:34.479 --> 1:25:37.160 I it's what I see all my friends blowing up 1:25:37.160 --> 1:25:38.680 my phone and saying, hey, I'm going to watch it 1:25:38.720 --> 1:25:41.280 again and again and again. I think people really are 1:25:41.360 --> 1:25:43.479 rooting for the success of this movie, and it's and 1:25:43.520 --> 1:25:47.600 it's just absolutely so touching to see the community all galvanized. 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:53.120 It's an absolutely terrible day for for your enemies and 1:25:53.160 --> 1:25:56.200 for the enemies of anybody who doubted this film. Uh, 1:25:56.800 --> 1:25:59.840 it's it's crushing right now. It must it must feel 1:25:59.880 --> 1:26:03.880 me that you're doing it. The movie is as a hit. 1:26:04.120 --> 1:26:06.920 I mean, it feels it feels great. It feels great 1:26:06.920 --> 1:26:08.719 to share it with the world and and to see 1:26:08.760 --> 1:26:12.519 them to feel their response to it because we've been 1:26:12.520 --> 1:26:15.599 sitting on this thing for for so long. We filmed it, 1:26:15.680 --> 1:26:20.360 you know, a year ago in Sydney, and I mean 1:26:21.240 --> 1:26:22.439 we we we knew that we. 1:26:22.400 --> 1:26:23.360 Had something special. 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:26.240 I knew right off the bat that Destin was a 1:26:26.720 --> 1:26:30.840 it was a very special filmmaker. But yeah, I mean, 1:26:30.920 --> 1:26:34.720 I mean, I couldn't have imagined the way that, you know, 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:36.679 the series of events that that would have played out 1:26:36.680 --> 1:26:40.880 to lead us here. It's been tough, you know, for 1:26:41.160 --> 1:26:43.599 the whole world, and for for a number of reasons. 1:26:43.640 --> 1:26:46.200 So I'm really not the only one who's going through it. 1:26:46.280 --> 1:26:50.400 But uh yeah, it's it's, it's it's it's a happy 1:26:50.520 --> 1:26:53.719 ending to a movie that almost almost didn't get made. 1:26:53.880 --> 1:26:59.400 Have you allowed yourself to like eat a carb yet? Uh, 1:26:59.560 --> 1:27:03.160 you're training for this. Uh you've talked about it. But 1:27:03.320 --> 1:27:09.600 must have been incredible, very arduous physicality throughout these the 1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:12.839 various scenes in this movie. What was that like doing 1:27:12.920 --> 1:27:16.320 the real hardcore action fight scenes. 1:27:17.080 --> 1:27:18.519 It was it was really cool. 1:27:18.640 --> 1:27:21.960 It was you know, it was it was like preparing 1:27:22.000 --> 1:27:25.280 for a season of professional athletics. It was like training 1:27:25.400 --> 1:27:28.200 five six hours every day, you know, with the stunt 1:27:28.200 --> 1:27:30.720 team and working everything from like the range of motion, 1:27:30.840 --> 1:27:35.439 the flexibility to explosiveness, fight choreography, martial arts. 1:27:35.520 --> 1:27:37.240 I mean, I mean it was. 1:27:37.439 --> 1:27:40.280 It was as much of a of a martial arts 1:27:40.320 --> 1:27:41.559 boot camp as you could get. 1:27:42.280 --> 1:27:46.760 And I often just kind of come home and collapse. 1:27:46.320 --> 1:27:49.599 On the bed and like literally sleep at like eight 1:27:49.640 --> 1:27:52.360 pm because I was so tired. I literally had no 1:27:52.560 --> 1:27:55.519 energy to even like eat dinner. I mean, that's the 1:27:55.880 --> 1:27:58.880 that's I think, what it what it takes, you know. Yeah, 1:27:59.280 --> 1:28:02.400 we had so many action sequences and we had a 1:28:02.520 --> 1:28:04.719 very very high bar for what those sequences we're gonna 1:28:04.760 --> 1:28:06.519 be and what they're going to do for our movies. 1:28:06.600 --> 1:28:09.800 So you know, I wanted to do as much as 1:28:09.840 --> 1:28:10.639 I possibly could. 1:28:10.720 --> 1:28:12.880 I knew that that would benefit the movie if we 1:28:12.960 --> 1:28:15.320 didn't constantly cut away to stunt people. 1:28:16.280 --> 1:28:19.559 So wherever I could, I asked to do the shots. 1:28:19.560 --> 1:28:22.040 I asked to put in the work because you know, 1:28:22.400 --> 1:28:24.519 you don't get an opportunity like this every day, and 1:28:24.560 --> 1:28:27.200 I just I just wanted to embrace it as much 1:28:27.200 --> 1:28:27.679 as I could. 1:28:27.720 --> 1:28:30.040 There's so many fun set pieces in the film, whether 1:28:30.080 --> 1:28:32.920 it's the bus fight and fighting the outside of the building. 1:28:34.120 --> 1:28:36.519 Do you have a personal favorite it, you know, whether 1:28:36.560 --> 1:28:39.120 it's a fight scene, an action scene, or just a 1:28:39.200 --> 1:28:42.519 quieter moment that that you just find yourself thinking about 1:28:42.520 --> 1:28:43.120 and returning to. 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:48.679 Yeah, I personally actually really love the fight between Shang 1:28:48.760 --> 1:28:50.000 Chi and his dad. 1:28:50.680 --> 1:28:53.799 Yeah, you know, just that whole journey. 1:28:53.800 --> 1:28:58.120 And it's not the most intricately choreograph like, it doesn't 1:28:58.120 --> 1:28:59.760 take place on the side of a building or a 1:28:59.760 --> 1:29:03.000 bus us, but it is so emotionally raw and I 1:29:03.080 --> 1:29:06.880 and I remember, you know, being there with with Tony 1:29:06.960 --> 1:29:10.000 Lung and in that moment and and going through that 1:29:10.080 --> 1:29:14.200 scene and feeling just the very real emotions that were 1:29:14.560 --> 1:29:16.240 that I think we were both feeling. 1:29:17.840 --> 1:29:18.040 You know. 1:29:18.680 --> 1:29:20.360 I think when I watch it back, I still get 1:29:20.439 --> 1:29:24.479 chills because it is so much more than than a fight, 1:29:24.800 --> 1:29:27.920 you know, and sure by the numbers as a fight, 1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:29.560 it's it's relatively straightforward. 1:29:29.560 --> 1:29:31.719 One guy's got a stick, one guy's got two rings. 1:29:33.200 --> 1:29:38.000 But but there's just you know, there's just a world 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:41.800 of like trauma and grief and anger and just being 1:29:41.880 --> 1:29:44.840 hurled at each other. This father and son that are 1:29:44.880 --> 1:29:48.560 just so desperate to connect and and so desperate to 1:29:48.640 --> 1:29:50.600 love again. It's it's really you know, I think I 1:29:50.600 --> 1:29:52.800 find it really sad and heartbreaking but up but also 1:29:53.000 --> 1:29:56.280 just like so human and and so watchable. 1:29:57.560 --> 1:30:00.920 Spoiler Shong is now in possession of the ten Rings 1:30:01.880 --> 1:30:05.240 at the end of the film, Can you tell us 1:30:05.320 --> 1:30:07.559 a little bit about like what they do or where 1:30:07.600 --> 1:30:10.559 they come from? And if you can't, do you know, 1:30:10.720 --> 1:30:14.360 do you know like the origins of these mysterious and 1:30:14.400 --> 1:30:15.240 powerful items? 1:30:15.439 --> 1:30:16.320 No, what. 1:30:19.640 --> 1:30:20.200 My journey. 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:24.160 My journey is exactly the same as my characters, which is, oh, 1:30:24.240 --> 1:30:27.559 there are those giant ass rings that my dad's been 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:30.439 wielding around for the last however long. 1:30:30.640 --> 1:30:33.439 Oh shoot, now they're on my arm. Well, I don't know. 1:30:33.760 --> 1:30:36.559 I guess I'll just I guess I'll just carry these 1:30:36.600 --> 1:30:39.840 around until someone tells me what they're doing or what 1:30:39.880 --> 1:30:42.759 they're what they were. You know, I honestly have no idea, 1:30:42.760 --> 1:30:44.840 But I do know that that you know, Kevin and 1:30:44.920 --> 1:30:50.040 the rest of the folks at Marble do, and they will, 1:30:50.080 --> 1:30:55.559 they will craft a very very incredible story around it 1:30:55.600 --> 1:30:57.840 when the when the time is right, which may or 1:30:57.840 --> 1:30:58.720 may not involve me. 1:30:58.760 --> 1:30:59.639 I have no idea. 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:02.360 What's it like to see yourself now as a Funko 1:31:02.479 --> 1:31:04.960 pop as an action figure? I also have your action 1:31:05.080 --> 1:31:09.479 figure on it on the shelf behind me. What is it? 1:31:09.640 --> 1:31:11.200 That must be surreal? What is it like? 1:31:11.920 --> 1:31:14.439 Surreal? You described it? 1:31:14.439 --> 1:31:17.599 It definitely throws me for a loop every time I 1:31:17.600 --> 1:31:22.439 see it. I mean, I was a big action figure 1:31:22.479 --> 1:31:24.680 guy when I was when I was little, except we 1:31:24.720 --> 1:31:27.840 couldn't afford to buy any action figures full price, so 1:31:27.880 --> 1:31:31.920 my parents just bought whatever was that yard sales, you know, 1:31:32.439 --> 1:31:35.440 all over the place. So I had this like mismatched 1:31:36.439 --> 1:31:42.120 group of random action figures from random universes. None of 1:31:42.120 --> 1:31:45.519 them were ever Asian, not a single one, So it's 1:31:45.560 --> 1:31:47.680 it's pretty cool that we have we. 1:31:47.680 --> 1:31:52.280 Have some now not just one, but yeah, many characters. 1:31:52.320 --> 1:31:56.599 And I just think that represents represents a lot for 1:31:56.760 --> 1:31:58.760 a kid to be able to be able to see 1:31:58.800 --> 1:32:01.800 themselves and that the heroes that they play with and 1:32:01.840 --> 1:32:06.360 that they, you know, use their imagination for, and I 1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:09.400 think in a way shows them that anything is possible. 1:32:09.520 --> 1:32:15.920 You mentioned just the outpouring of of fan reviews and 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:18.400 feedback and stuff. Is there and has been anything that 1:32:18.400 --> 1:32:22.360 that particularly touched you in terms of people saying, it's 1:32:22.439 --> 1:32:26.280 incredible to see this see myself represented on any number 1:32:26.320 --> 1:32:28.479 of the characters, by any number of the characters that 1:32:28.520 --> 1:32:29.200 I see on screen. 1:32:29.320 --> 1:32:33.240 Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's that's definitely very special for 1:32:33.320 --> 1:32:34.720 me to hear. And I've and I've heard it a 1:32:34.720 --> 1:32:39.400 couple of times, you know, I've I've read it in reviews, 1:32:39.560 --> 1:32:41.880 I've I've had people texted to me, and that's always 1:32:41.920 --> 1:32:45.000 incredibly touching. What I like, too, is that a lot 1:32:45.040 --> 1:32:47.840 of people will say, I didn't you know, people, people 1:32:47.920 --> 1:32:51.360 maybe outside of the Asian community, will say, I didn't 1:32:51.400 --> 1:32:55.439 go in expecting to like this movie, but I came 1:32:55.479 --> 1:32:57.559 out of it with a whole you know, I came 1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:00.760 out loving it. It was one of my favorites, you know, 1:33:00.840 --> 1:33:02.680 movies in the MCU, and I came out of it 1:33:02.680 --> 1:33:05.559 with a whole new understanding. And it means that it 1:33:05.600 --> 1:33:08.799 means that this movie is more than just about being 1:33:08.840 --> 1:33:12.599 made for Asian people by Asian people, that this movie 1:33:12.640 --> 1:33:13.759 can also be a bridge. 1:33:13.840 --> 1:33:14.040 You know. 1:33:14.080 --> 1:33:16.679 It's a bridge between cultures, it's a bridge between languages. 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:22.360 It's you know, it really is an invitation to everybody 1:33:23.000 --> 1:33:28.240 to come and share in our joys and our sorrows 1:33:28.280 --> 1:33:31.120 and everything in between, you know, and our culture and 1:33:31.160 --> 1:33:34.040 our language and all of the things that make us proud. 1:33:35.880 --> 1:33:38.760 And yeah, I certainly hope that it continues to do that. 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:42.720 Uh, if you could just imagine something, I know you 1:33:42.760 --> 1:33:44.920 can't tell us specifically, but where would you what kind 1:33:44.960 --> 1:33:47.599 of like adventures would you like to see Schunk show 1:33:47.640 --> 1:33:49.280 up on next? Like are we going to see him 1:33:49.720 --> 1:33:52.439 punching a variant Fanos in the face with the ten rings? 1:33:52.479 --> 1:33:54.920 Like what would be a fun will be a fun 1:33:55.160 --> 1:33:56.400 adventure for Stung to go on? 1:33:57.080 --> 1:33:59.040 I kind of hope, I kind of hope that he 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:02.880 does more you know, grounded stuff, you know, Like I 1:34:02.920 --> 1:34:07.759 think the way that the rings of such a massive 1:34:08.520 --> 1:34:10.600 power set and I and I just hope that it 1:34:10.640 --> 1:34:13.840 doesn't come at the cost of really really cool action 1:34:13.920 --> 1:34:15.960 sequences because because you know, one of the things that 1:34:16.200 --> 1:34:18.639 really worked with our movie is that, you know, Sean, 1:34:18.760 --> 1:34:20.640 Sean doesn't really have superpowers. 1:34:20.680 --> 1:34:23.000 So yeah, he's got to fly. He can't just fly 1:34:23.200 --> 1:34:24.040 through the scaffolding. 1:34:24.080 --> 1:34:27.759 He's got to like climb, and same thing with the bus, 1:34:27.800 --> 1:34:30.519 Like he can't just blow the bus in half and 1:34:30.640 --> 1:34:32.800 you know, or lift the entire but like he's got 1:34:32.840 --> 1:34:36.000 to really work within the constraints of the physical universe. 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:38.559 So I would you know, I hope that that happens 1:34:38.560 --> 1:34:40.000 at least, you know a little bit more. 1:34:40.040 --> 1:34:42.040 He's got to go back to being a valet. He's 1:34:42.160 --> 1:34:44.240 just you know, it's got to apologize for taking time 1:34:44.280 --> 1:34:46.640 off and and go back to parking the cars. 1:34:47.840 --> 1:34:49.519 Exactly like San Francisco. 1:34:49.760 --> 1:34:51.840 Thank you so much for taking the time seeming really 1:34:51.840 --> 1:34:54.680 appreciate it, and congratulations on the success of the film. 1:34:55.200 --> 1:34:56.920 It's been amazing to watch. 1:34:57.040 --> 1:34:59.280 Thanks man, really appreciate it. It's great talking. 1:34:59.520 --> 1:35:02.439 When we're back, Rosie and I will enter the End Game. 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:10.760 Welcome to the Endgame, where me and Rosie get to 1:35:10.800 --> 1:35:13.840 play a game, sometimes with a guest, this time just 1:35:13.880 --> 1:35:16.799 with each other. And the game today is Top fives, 1:35:17.040 --> 1:35:21.160 in which we list our top five apocalypses in pop 1:35:21.240 --> 1:35:24.800 culture across the board. We have decided, because we make 1:35:24.840 --> 1:35:28.680 the rules that dystopian fiction is also allowed, we can 1:35:28.720 --> 1:35:33.800 do dystopius. Yes, it's so, Rosie, would you like to 1:35:33.840 --> 1:35:34.240 go first? 1:35:34.320 --> 1:35:37.519 Yes, okay, So I have very specific reasons for it. 1:35:37.640 --> 1:35:38.280 So yeah. 1:35:38.280 --> 1:35:41.120 My first one is Night of the Comet, which is 1:35:41.600 --> 1:35:42.400 a one. 1:35:42.520 --> 1:35:43.760 Yeah. 1:35:42.760 --> 1:35:46.639 Yeah, that's what I call the chill apocalypse because it's 1:35:46.720 --> 1:35:48.479 like that one you can just be like in the 1:35:48.560 --> 1:35:51.040 mall or like watching a movie and you just like 1:35:51.120 --> 1:35:54.760 occasionally kill like a slow zombie. I used to work 1:35:54.760 --> 1:35:57.519 in a cinema and I used to definitely like think 1:35:57.560 --> 1:35:59.720 that I was the main character from that movie. I'll 1:35:59.720 --> 1:36:01.200 be like, yeah, I'll just come out of the middle 1:36:01.240 --> 1:36:03.200 of the night. If there's an apocalypse, I'll be cool. 1:36:04.240 --> 1:36:07.600 Next is a Kira, just because I mean I just 1:36:07.760 --> 1:36:11.160 want to be cool and live in neo Tokyo. So 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:14.519 obviously post destruction of Tokyo, very dramatic. People are getting 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:18.920 mutant powers. There's cool gangs everywhere. Everyone's riding a sick motorcycle. 1:36:19.640 --> 1:36:21.840 I love Akira, so that would definitely be high up 1:36:21.840 --> 1:36:22.320 on my list. 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:26.320 Tank Girl, oh a tank Girl movies or the comic. 1:36:27.080 --> 1:36:28.840 I'm gonna go with the movie just because it fits 1:36:28.840 --> 1:36:31.120 better because it's like post a Comet. There's like a 1:36:31.200 --> 1:36:33.960 drought and a water sore. It's so tech again, just 1:36:34.000 --> 1:36:36.920 be cool driving around the tank looking cool, having a 1:36:36.960 --> 1:36:41.519 cool lesbian friend, like living life. Next up is my 1:36:41.600 --> 1:36:44.160 comics one, which is Age of Apocalypse. I don't think 1:36:44.200 --> 1:36:47.360 it would be like particularly enjoyable to be there, but 1:36:47.479 --> 1:36:51.120 like it's very epic. Yeah, it's a lot of like Shenanigans. Yeah, 1:36:51.160 --> 1:36:55.160 there are a lot of so like legions killed Charles 1:36:55.280 --> 1:36:58.280 Xavier instead of Magneto, and that means Apocalypse comes earlier 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:00.879 and things are going bad, mutants are running right. Hopefully 1:37:00.920 --> 1:37:02.519 I would be a mutant in that world, I guess 1:37:02.560 --> 1:37:04.800 if I get to pick, because otherwise humans are getting killed. 1:37:05.200 --> 1:37:08.800 But just like cool, I mune Uprising stuff and my 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:11.559 last one, which is definitely more dystopian, but we agree 1:37:11.600 --> 1:37:15.599 that works. Escape from New York that's the Yeah, maybe 1:37:15.680 --> 1:37:17.639 Escape from LAF. I want to do like some surfing, 1:37:17.720 --> 1:37:18.839 but I'm bad at surfing. 1:37:18.880 --> 1:37:25.479 So dope, that's my Donald hung out with Kurt. 1:37:25.320 --> 1:37:28.000 Russell, have the sunglasses. 1:37:32.000 --> 1:37:39.360 Here's here's Donald pleasance in Halloween. Now now, okay, those 1:37:39.360 --> 1:37:43.000 are all great, So I'm gonna say my number first 1:37:43.000 --> 1:37:46.519 one is Twenty eight Days Later, the movie which kind 1:37:46.560 --> 1:37:51.920 of revitalized the zombie genre, you know, along with Max 1:37:52.040 --> 1:37:56.920 Brooks's uh it was the name of the books, along 1:37:56.960 --> 1:38:00.920 with Max Brooks's World war Z, and introduced as zombies 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:06.320 into the pop cultural cannon. That movie, so it was produced, 1:38:06.439 --> 1:38:08.400 It was filmed before nine to eleven, but came out, 1:38:08.439 --> 1:38:12.280 like I want to say, a month later, right around there, 1:38:12.360 --> 1:38:16.519 and it seemed so of a time of that time. 1:38:16.800 --> 1:38:18.799 And I remember seeing in the theater and just being 1:38:19.240 --> 1:38:21.760 like horrified and blown away and also just like ge 1:38:21.840 --> 1:38:24.240 chanted by, like the low fineness of it, like the 1:38:24.320 --> 1:38:29.920 kind of gorilla filmmaking London, completely like abandoned. They filmed 1:38:29.920 --> 1:38:33.280 it at like six am on Sundays when there was 1:38:33.320 --> 1:38:35.559 the least amount of people that could be around, and 1:38:35.600 --> 1:38:39.759 it just looks incredible. Next, I'm Gonna go Time runs 1:38:39.800 --> 1:38:43.519 out of the Jonathan Hickman storyline that ran in New 1:38:43.560 --> 1:38:48.960 Avengers and Avengers and is about a version of which 1:38:49.000 --> 1:38:51.240 I'm sure we'll see in the MCU, which is about 1:38:51.720 --> 1:38:57.920 various multiversal realities crashing into the main Earth reality and 1:38:58.080 --> 1:39:00.559 the kind of moral lines the heroes have to cross 1:39:00.560 --> 1:39:04.360 in order to deal with this threat. Next, Children of Men, 1:39:05.080 --> 1:39:09.280 which is like a prophetic movie, like if you watching 1:39:09.320 --> 1:39:12.040 it at the time, it's one of those very rare feelings, 1:39:12.360 --> 1:39:14.760 you know. It was a Christmas movie. Weirdly enough, I 1:39:14.760 --> 1:39:19.479 remember seeing it and thinking, this feels like the world 1:39:19.800 --> 1:39:23.200 in ten, fifteen and or twenty years, and lo and 1:39:23.240 --> 1:39:27.439 behold it happened. Days of Future passed the comic arc. 1:39:27.560 --> 1:39:30.200 It's crazy you mentioned earlier in the podcast, like these 1:39:30.200 --> 1:39:33.519 little two and three mini arcs, that was like the 1:39:33.560 --> 1:39:35.960 norm back then when it was harder to keep track 1:39:36.000 --> 1:39:38.240 of comics, and it was it was just harder for 1:39:38.320 --> 1:39:41.240 people to like keep up with them and know what 1:39:41.400 --> 1:39:44.080 was going on, so you couldn't really stretch a story 1:39:44.120 --> 1:39:47.040 out over ten twelve issues, you know, not until like 1:39:47.080 --> 1:39:51.600 Secret Wars and stuff. But the two so it's X 1:39:51.680 --> 1:39:58.520 Men one forty one and one forty two, and it's 1:39:58.600 --> 1:40:03.200 just is the cover of one, which is like old 1:40:03.240 --> 1:40:08.160 Wolverine and Kitty Pride Kate Pride standing in front of 1:40:08.360 --> 1:40:12.080 a wanted poster of all the X Men, and it 1:40:12.200 --> 1:40:15.599 just says like slain over there over their faces is 1:40:15.760 --> 1:40:18.880 just It's one of the most referenced and iconic covers 1:40:18.880 --> 1:40:23.520 in comics history. I love it. And then finally Armageddon, 1:40:23.800 --> 1:40:27.040 which I think is the most entertaining right wing movie 1:40:27.240 --> 1:40:30.880 ever made. It is about, for those of you don't know, 1:40:31.040 --> 1:40:35.040 is about a massive comment that's gonna hit Earth and 1:40:35.320 --> 1:40:38.960 the conceit is. Yes we have NASA, Yes we have 1:40:39.200 --> 1:40:43.799 like astronauts, Yes we have like our massive military machine. 1:40:44.280 --> 1:40:46.760 But the only people who can deal with this are 1:40:47.439 --> 1:40:51.439 the oil workers, oil company workers. And what do they 1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:55.080 want in order to deal with this? They want to 1:40:55.160 --> 1:40:58.080 never pay taxes again, that's what they want, So that 1:40:58.280 --> 1:41:00.960 is the movie. Also, it opens with iconic scene of 1:41:01.000 --> 1:41:04.240 like Bruce Willis like hitting golf balls at a green 1:41:04.280 --> 1:41:09.760 peace boat. Again, the politics of this movie are horrific, 1:41:10.280 --> 1:41:13.160 but I enjoy watching it. What are your top five 1:41:13.360 --> 1:41:19.040 apocalypse movies about dystopian fiction. I almost did Mad Max, 1:41:19.080 --> 1:41:22.000 but it seemed like that apocalypse was too far in 1:41:22.040 --> 1:41:25.360 the past, like that was it had already happened, maybe 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:26.559 one hundred years ago or something. 1:41:26.600 --> 1:41:26.800 Like that. 1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:29.439 So I these are our top fives? What are your 1:41:29.479 --> 1:41:33.719 top fives? Get at us, tweeted us, post at us, 1:41:34.080 --> 1:41:38.599 let us know what your top five apocalypses are. Well, 1:41:38.640 --> 1:41:41.240 that's it for our show today on behalf of Rosie 1:41:41.280 --> 1:41:44.920 and myself. Thank you for listening. Please tune in again 1:41:44.960 --> 1:41:47.080 wherever you get your podcast. X ray Vision is a 1:41:47.080 --> 1:41:49.280 Crooked Media production. The show is produced by Chris Lord 1:41:49.280 --> 1:41:52.000 and Saul Rubin. The show is executive produced by me 1:41:52.720 --> 1:41:55.800 and Sandy Gerard. 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