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Speaker 2: The trailer brings back your second or third favorite chosen one,

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Speaker 2: yeah yah. Abdul Matin takes over as Morpheus for Laurence Fishburne,

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Speaker 3: and she and You're just like, what's going on? What

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Speaker 3: is going on? Yeah, Now, like the tracing issue has

431
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 3: become as the Internet has moved forward as well, Like

432
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 3: the tracing issue has definitely become like more prominent, like

433
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 3: people because it's easier to catch.

434
00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 2: It's it's it's way easier to catch and and again,

435
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 2: every artist does this, but Greg's influences and the way

436
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 2: he uses these images is just kind of like a

437
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: degree more blatant than the way other artists use it.

438
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 2: Like it's artists, critics and other artists over the years

439
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 2: have quite easily found the original art that Greg is

440
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: basing his stuff off of He's been accused of plagiarizing

441
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: in the past by other artists like and that's.

442
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: The bigger issue is like, you know what, if you

443
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: want to poorn, trace and move, was gonna pay you,

444
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 3: like eight hundred dollars or whatever, like good for you,

445
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,560
Speaker 3: like good for you whatever, likes other artists. I wish

446
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 3: they would have put on this book by so many

447
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 3: incredible arys that I wish would get a regular Marvel

448
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 3: book or a one show Marvel book. But you know what,

449
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 3: But the issue is, like you said, if if you

450
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,120
Speaker 3: were plagiarizing like another artists work and then getting paid

451
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 3: for it, that is fucked up like that, And that's

452
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 3: that's why the issue looks.

453
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Speaker 2: That's why he was called out. He was called out

454
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Speaker 2: by Tristan Jones in twenty twenty for basically ripping off

455
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Speaker 2: art from the Aliens Omnibus. So this is around, this

456
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: is like this has been around at Marvel is not dumb.

457
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 2: They understand what Greg is doing. But again, like one

458
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: of the things that derailed Marvel in the nineties and

459
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 2: was a big problem for basically its entire lifespan from

460
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: the seventies up to the nineties was blown deadlines like

461
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: this was this was a company that was consistently like

462
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 2: late on delivering comics to printers and you know this

463
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 2: is later but famously like Ultimate Wolverine Versus Hulk was

464
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: delayed like five hundred years or something. It was like

465
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Speaker 2: a six it was a six issue limited series that

466
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 2: like stretched out over four years something like that, And

467
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 2: it's like.

468
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Speaker 3: It's the problem is like it's a bigger It's like

469
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: it is you do have to find these artists who

470
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 3: can get you the stuff fast, right, which but it's

471
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 3: also a bigger problem of like that exploit of industry

472
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 3: where people don't have protections, they don't have real deadline,

473
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 3: so you can a letter is getting the book two

474
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 3: days before it's meant to go to print because the

475
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: writer didn't know, and then the artist is So it's

476
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 3: like a comics is like a fake business. That's what

477
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: me and my friends always say, Like loads of us

478
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: make comics, and we always say it's like it's a

479
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,359
Speaker 3: fake business, Like you wouldn't believe that this stuff could happen,

480
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 3: but it does. Like I'm sure there's people sitting here

481
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 3: right now who are like this guy does not trace

482
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Speaker 3: for important you know what he does.

483
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Speaker 2: I mean, like you just go go Greg Land trace

484
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Speaker 2: on Google and you'll find any number of our you'll find.

485
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Speaker 3: It's it's funny because Marvel actually has like a long

486
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Speaker 3: tradition of a famous older artists or like I guess

487
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 3: not old, but like male artists of a certain age

488
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 3: who loved to trace. I I always remember that Invincible.

489
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 3: I think it was like an invincible Iron Man book

490
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: where doctor Doom and the whole book is just it's

491
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: just mincing Cassel. And then that's I think, there's yeah,

492
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 3: and then there's like and I can't remember who there

493
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 3: are character is, but one of them is Tommy Lee Jones,

494
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 3: and you're just like, my guy, I don't think you

495
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 3: can do this, you know. And I think the only

496
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: person who actually ever properly leveraged that was Sam Jackson,

497
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 3: because these people just called Marvel straight away as soon

498
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Speaker 3: as that oh that's Nick Fiory book came.

499
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: Out and they were like, hey, yeah, Brian Hitch, Yeah,

500
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Speaker 2: I think Mark Millery, please do it.

501
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Speaker 3: Please do so. Yeah. It's it's an interesting jump, but

502
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: it's not all bad news in the world of Marvel.

503
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 3: It's not all weird sad Tracing. There's a new book

504
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: coming out. We think when we were talking, we think

505
00:26:58,040 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 3: it's going to be a pretty big deal and is

506
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Speaker 3: seeding big stuff. So it's Jason Aaron and Aaron Couter

507
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: doing Aveng just forever.

508
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jason Aaron is kind of like the writer right

509
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: now at Marvel. Yeah, and Aaron Couter is We were

510
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 2: discussing this in the pre pro. I love his style.

511
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 2: It's kind of like he's like it's he's like a

512
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: child of Art Adams, who is my favorite. Like when

513
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: I first got into comics. There's something like cartoonys but

514
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: also very very detailed about it. Super super fun and

515
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: like the cover art, go go google it now is

516
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: so fun and exciting.

517
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like where's Waldo? For people who love Marvel,

518
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 3: like you can just and it doesn't matter. What I

519
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 3: love the most about this cover is literally if you

520
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,919
Speaker 3: did not care about Marvel at all, but you just

521
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: watched What If and for some reason that was what

522
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 3: drew you in. You love animation, you can look at

523
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 3: that cover and there is Captain Carter And if you

524
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,399
Speaker 3: just love one division, you can look at it and

525
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: there's Monica Rambo. But there's also, you know there's Tony

526
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 3: Stuff a man. There's there's a who did you see

527
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 3: on the speedball? There's beasts. You know, there's all different

528
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 3: kinds of just bonkers characters. You've got wonder, You've got

529
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 3: your main but it is unreal. Aaron Kuda's art is

530
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: like this beautiful like you said, it's like this intricate

531
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,600
Speaker 3: cartooning that it has so much personality, that every character

532
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: has a different facial expression, and there's so many characters

533
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,199
Speaker 3: and so Marvel dot Com like if you're interested in it.

534
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: Basically it sounds very multiversally relevant right now. And it

535
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: begins with a quest for cosmic vengeance. Ghost Rider, I

536
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 3: believe it's Robby Rays. Ghostwrider finds himself roaring through the

537
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 3: wasteland on a ruined Earth where the Great Age of

538
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: Heroes never came to be, where hope is a four

539
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: letter word and wears only ally in the coming battle

540
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: against the greatest villains any universe has ever seen. Is

541
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Speaker 3: the world's most wanted archaeologist, Tony Stark, the Invincible a man.

542
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: I love Tony Stark as a man. It makes so

543
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 3: much sense.

544
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: It makes so much sense, and against anytime I see Speedball.

545
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: The New Universe for those who remember, the New Universe

546
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: was an attempt. It was basically like an attempt to

547
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: do Ultimate Marvel before Ultimate Marvel launched. This kind of

548
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: like new generation of Heroes and this and Speedball was

549
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 2: kind of like the flagship hero. He bounces around like

550
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: a speedball, and anytime I see him in something, I'm like,

551
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: I'm glad they're keeping up with this guy. I'm glad

552
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 2: that he's still around. It's gonna be super super fun.

553
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: And it's a titled Avengers Forever, which is a direct

554
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: reference to the very well regarded Kurt bussiek Roger Stern

555
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: late nineties twelve issue limited series that is, you know

556
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: a lot of the Kang stuff if you want to

557
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: understand Loki and the introduction of Kang, Avengers Forever is

558
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 2: a great place to do it because I think it's

559
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: like issue eleven or maybe twelve. Kang basically is like, Okay,

560
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 2: here's the deal with me, and he lays the whole

561
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: thing out. So it's like, if you want to understand Kang,

562
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: check out the late nineties Avengers Forever. I'm trying to think,

563
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 2: but like, maybe the best thing going at Marvel during

564
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 2: that late nineties like collapse era.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of the it's really interesting to look

566
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,239
Speaker 3: back in that era and the stuff where we know,

567
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: like when the boys went to you know, Found Image

568
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: and everything and kind of the way the boom and

569
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 3: the bust was happening. Yeah, it's really interesting the cool

570
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:24,719
Speaker 3: stuff that snuck through, the cool weird ideas that and

571
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 3: a lot of these creators they say that, you know,

572
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 3: the eighties the nineties, they didn't know these were going

573
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: to become multi billion dollar properties. Like you were just

574
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 3: making an idea that would make someone want to pick

575
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: up the next issue, and in that way, some of

576
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 3: this stuff becomes really really cool and unexpected.

577
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: I agree like that. The kind of like post bankruptcy

578
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: era Marvel, I think is some of the most creative

579
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: stuff happened there, whether it's Black Panther and Marvel Knights

580
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: or or Avengers Forever or like Exstatics X Force Ecstatics,

581
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: Like there's just a lot of fun stuff.

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00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Joke Asarda like had this space where it was

583
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: kind of like you could bringing in like these really

584
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: cool cartoonists that he knew and making work that maybe

585
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: wouldn't have been able to be made in the Robliefeld

586
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: like era, you know, and you got really weird stuff

587
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 3: out at Frankincastle, you know, punish your guy. I love

588
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 3: Marvel Knights. Obviously, Marvel Knight's so bloody cool, and I

589
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: think that stuff's going to become like really really intrinsic

590
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 3: to what's.

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00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: Going I think the Yeah, the moon I would expect that.

592
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 2: Obviously there's been various incarnations of Moonlight, but I would

593
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: expect that what we see from Moonnight is adapted from

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 2: the Marvel Knights stuff. That's my expecting.

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00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that. I think it's going to be

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00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 3: I think that's going to be the major source point.

597
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 3: And I also think they're going to have to do

598
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 3: not necessarily like a Watchman level reconsideration, but they're definitely

599
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 3: going to have to be very thoughtful about the things

600
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: that they're doing and the way that they're taking on

601
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,160
Speaker 3: the character, because there's so much there that can can

602
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 3: kind of go wrong.

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00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 2: But I'm sure talk the mental Yeah, the mental health

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00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 2: aspect of you we'll table that for now, but the

605
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: mental health aspect of Moonnight needs to be handled in

606
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: the right way. And I'm excited to see how they do.

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00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 3: I think off to one division and the exploration of

608
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 3: trauma and different kinds and still centering all different kinds

609
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 3: of stories within that. I think I've got hope that

610
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 3: they could do a cool version.

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00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: In recent news, we're recording this on a Tuesday. Yesterday,

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00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: the trailer for Hawkeye limited series on Disney Plus, which

613
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: launches on November twenty fourth, dropped on the internet, and man,

614
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 2: it is a lot of fun, clearly adapted from the

615
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 2: Matt Fraction and David Daya solo title that really like

616
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 2: redefined Clint Barton as a character in the Marvel universe.

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00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 2: If you want to pick up a great, great comic

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00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: that you don't need to know a lot about other

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00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: things that are happening in Marvel Comics, even at the

620
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: time or that came before, pick up Matt Frat and

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Speaker 2: David Daya's Hawkeye. It is great and like everything about

622
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 2: it is fresh and fantastic. It's like there are themes

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00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: of like gentrification and like working class strife, and it

624
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: is incredible. There's a great there's a great dog in it.

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00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 2: And David's art. I think no one does No one

626
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: does layouts like no one from the art, from the

627
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 2: way he does his panels, from the cadence of the pages.

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00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: There's an early page in issue to where Clint is

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00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: hanging out with Kate Bishop and their training. They're just

630
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: firing arrows into a dummy and Kate is asking him

631
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 2: a question, and as Clint is drawing and firing, the

632
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: thing she is asking him gets spread out like letter

633
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 2: by letters, so that you understand how quick Clint's reactions are,

634
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: how fast he is with the bow. It's so cool,

635
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: And there's a million things like that. I'm really and

636
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 2: and from the trailer, it seems like a lot of

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00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 2: that is in there. There's a ton of it.

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00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: It's the only way you can do a Hawkeye show. Look,

639
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie. I was kind of mad at

640
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: how good this trailer is because I don't want to

641
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: care about Hawkeye. I'm ready for that. I'm ready for

642
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: that Hawkeye, that man Hawkeye, that Jeremy and Hawkeye. He

643
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 3: can be gone. I don't. So when I saw this, like,

644
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 3: I was felt personally attacked because one that comic is amazing.

645
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,839
Speaker 3: Two like it's a Christmas show and I fucking love

646
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 3: Christmas movies shows whatever, Like I love that shit, it's

647
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: got big die hard energy, but.

648
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: Also like, yes, it's I think the.

649
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: Only way you can legitimately make this show is to

650
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 3: take from that series, because there is stuff, like you

651
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: just said, right, this is gonna be We get to

652
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: see a lot of cool stuff in these Marvel shows,

653
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: the One Division show, for example, I talk about it

654
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 3: a lot. I could not believe how much they took

655
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 3: directly from these real, those really amazing mini series in

656
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 3: the eighties. Yeah, but this is a I think that

657
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: they're very smart to look at this book and know

658
00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 3: that there is stuff that they are going to basically

659
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: take straight from that. Because let's be real, so straight

660
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 3: from you got issue eleven, right, which is the Lucky

661
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 3: the Pizza Dog issue, or the from Lucky's perspective, that

662
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 3: is going to be an episode, and if it's not

663
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 3: a whole episode, it will be at least half of

664
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 3: an episode or a recurring thing. It's an iconic issue.

665
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 2: You can't not do the iconic Lucky the Pizza Dog again.

666
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 2: Like pick up this comic, pick up the trades, Go

667
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: to your local comic book shop and pick up the trades.

668
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: It's worth it. The Lucky the Pizza Dog Bottle issue

669
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: is one of the greatest single issues in comics history,

670
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: like ever, ever, ever, ever. It's from the perspective of

671
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: the dog, and that's all I'll say. But the storytelling

672
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: and the way Dovey cracks the code on how to

673
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: tell this story through the perspective of the dog, it's

674
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: unbelievable and it's so good and I agree with you.

675
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 2: It's just got a yeah, it's gonna be that.

676
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: And Lucky is in the show. We know that they

677
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: released a poster with Lucky on it, like he.

678
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: Had to be in the show. He's not in the

679
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 2: show that I'm a nobody and something that.

680
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 3: I think is like really amazing about that book. Right,

681
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: So the book deals with Hawky and deafness, which is

682
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 3: throughout his that's throughout his storyline, but it's on and

683
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 3: off again, it depends, and that's never been in the MCU.

684
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: But we know it is going to be in this

685
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 3: show because we saw him wearing hearing aids. And also

686
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: they cast an actual deaf indigenous actress called a lack

687
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 3: of Cox to play Echo, who's a deaf Indigenous hero

688
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 3: and I'm so stoked about that. That's just and the

689
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 3: thing that I think another thing that I think is

690
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 3: really cool about this is like, so when the Lucky

691
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: the Pizza Dog episode came out, every issue came out,

692
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: everyone was like, this is really cool, and I think

693
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: there was like a little bit of thing around deaf

694
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: people being like, well, this is the only episode, this

695
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 3: is the only issue that's like seems to want to

696
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 3: represent that lack of communication, but it's from the perspective

697
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: of a dog lo and behold. Eight issues later they

698
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: do an issue that is a sign language issue, and

699
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: I just think like, and that issue as well, Issue

700
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 3: nineteen unbelievable, like one of the coolest issues and one

701
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: of the coolest ways of showcasing like visual storytelling and

702
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: how you can change the communication in that way. So

703
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 3: I feel like one also, I love I think Hayley

704
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: is like perfect casting as Kate Bishop.

705
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: So really I'm really excited.

706
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: I just think there's a lot of potential for this

707
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 3: to be like not only really cool, fun die Hard

708
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: esque like Holiday Magic, but also like a kind of

709
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 3: step towards a death representation that we've never really seen

710
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 3: in any like rarely any TV shows, let alone Supero.

711
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: Yes, which is just so cool. That is really exciting

712
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 2: one small aside, So apparently Kate is introduced in this show.

713
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 2: She comes to Clint's attention because she is wearing the

714
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: rone in costume and she's out there doing stuff. It's

715
00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 2: just so hilarious to me because, like I mean, listen,

716
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: I love Clint and he's been through a love he

717
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,840
Speaker 2: became he became a fucking serial killer. Can we just

718
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,840
Speaker 2: get this sonata?

719
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 3: He didn't just killed Ton down being in joem Wick three.

720
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 3: He turned down being in Joe Wick three, playing the

721
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: pole the monde caskis pop to be in the man

722
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 3: game and to get killed by serial killer. Hold on,

723
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 3: I will never forgive it. I will never forget. I hate.

724
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: Clint went country to country to country killing, murdering specifically,

725
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: look at what the fuck Clint?

726
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:35,840
Speaker 1: What?

727
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: And then he's just like yeah, like again, it's this

728
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: show is gonna be really fun and it's but it is.

729
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: It is really funny to me how we just like

730
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 2: moved past Clint's time as a legitimate serial killer with.

731
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: The masma like a Ted Bundy level. This is like

732
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 3: hundreds of people that he's killing, and like I I

733
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: will never forgive that. I will never forget seeing her

734
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: Yuki Sonata, who's like maybe my favoritectory all time, but

735
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 3: definitely like up there on the Crton red carpet for

736
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: that movie. And they're like, what did you feel like

737
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: when they asked you said, who says no to a

738
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 3: Marvel movie? Like it's a Marvel movie. And they killed

739
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: him in like five minutes.

740
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 2: I'll you saw this at all?

741
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: Clint Clint as if sorry, that's never gonna happen festival

742
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: and like, I, yeah, this is my dream for this show.

743
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: I just want him to just like die in the

744
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: first episode. And then it's just like Kate Bishop and

745
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: a Lacqua Cox.

746
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: I't Bishop, I'm too old for that.

747
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't need to see my hope is

748
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 3: the one thing I thought was at least a bit good.

749
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 3: If you're not going to deal with that, which they

750
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: are not.

751
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 2: They're we're never gonna deal with it.

752
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: If you're not gonna do it.

753
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 2: But Clint killed like five hundred people, but whatever, Yeah,

754
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: it was a blurb.

755
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 3: It's fine, But you know what, I kind of like

756
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 3: that they're making him a ship dad. I'm like, if

757
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 3: that's all he's going, I don't want to have to

758
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 3: see him have some redemption whatever. It's like if he's

759
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 3: just letting down his family and then we don't have

760
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: to see him again after this and it can just

761
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: be Kate in the Young Avengers and a lacquise Echo

762
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,919
Speaker 3: like cool, but I will never forget. I will never

763
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: forget what he did. And then when they bought the

764
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 3: roan In costume, because I think the rumor was that

765
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 3: like Echo would at some point take that one. The Kate.

766
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: I was like why.

767
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 3: I was like, Kate Bishop has iconic costumes contemporary Marvel history,

768
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 3: Like nobody needs to see that Ronan costume and remember

769
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: what he did? Like is she a serial killer fan girl?

770
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 4: Like when she said to him, She's like, I'm so

771
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 4: oh my god, you're climbot.

772
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: And like I remember when they released the description and

773
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 3: it was like Kate Bishop is like obsessed with Hawkwy,

774
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 3: I'm out of every Avenger like Pase.

775
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 2: You know that's never gonna happen. And one more, you know,

776
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: like I don't want to speak ill of the dead

777
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 2: and criticize the dead, but uh, Natasha did really just

778
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: stand there and not do anything? Nope, Well, Clint murdered

779
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 2: half a dozen guys.

780
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 3: Those two they were always off their bad vibes. Now

781
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 3: she's got fuck he did the wrong thing anyway, Like

782
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: in what world? In what? I don't even rate black widow.

783
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 3: I don't like him MC, I don't like that. Whole

784
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: thing is just not for me. But I was even

785
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 3: mad when she sacrificed herself. I was like, for this

786
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 3: serial killer, you're gonna let you would be better off

787
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 3: if you care about his family. Let him go off

788
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: the edge, and then he's not gonna kill his family

789
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,760
Speaker 3: because honestly, you don't know that that's not gonna happen.

790
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: Like this guy just killed so many What if his

791
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 3: daughter smokes some weed one time? Is he gonna kill

792
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: her because she's a criminal like this guy.

793
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 2: Florence Pugh is confirmed in this, not in the trailer,

794
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 2: but we're gonna see this. We're gonna see her as Yelena.

795
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 2: So for those of you who are like, Yelene is

796
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 2: the better and less murderous Natasha, although we don't know

797
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: the murders that she's carried out, but she's under mind controlling. Yeah,

798
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: she's cool, you will be uh. One thing that absolutely

799
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: delighted me was Rogers the musical. Like I tweeted a

800
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: bunch of song names. Let me just quickly pull them

801
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 2: up from my version of Rogers the Musical. I think

802
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: we opened with just a kid from Brooklyn obviously. Then

803
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 2: we go the flagpole g Captain Phillips, my shot, Steve's

804
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 2: not thrown away his shot of super Soldier Serum, star

805
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Spangled Man with a Plan. We get the reprise of

806
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: Star Spangled Man with a Plan, which is kind of

807
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: like the part where Steve's like, oh, is this all

808
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: there is to this? Heidi, Heidi ho Hydra till the

809
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,919
Speaker 2: end of the line and our dance after all this time,

810
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 2: the sacrifice play, and then finally you're getting sleepy. I

811
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: could do this all day, and then we get a

812
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: uh till the end of the line reprise at the end.

813
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: That's my That's what I think.

814
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: That up writing on a Marvel TV show, And I

815
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 3: will forever just be sitting hell of about stuff because

816
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 3: literally I came up with I was like, that's America's ass.

817
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:08,280
Speaker 2: I was like, that's the America's ass. America's ass feels

818
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: like so you know how in Greece the Broadway. So

819
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 2: the end song in Grease the movie I Got You

820
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 2: that was written, that was written for the movie and

821
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: as a kind of band slash drama kid nerd. I

822
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: played in the bands that backed the plays at school.

823
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 2: We were all really pissed because you couldn't play the

824
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: song because they didn't include it with the because they

825
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: read it. They wrote it directly for the for the movie.

826
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 2: So the rights, there's a whole rights issue, and basically

827
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: you can only play the music from the Broadway play.

828
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 2: I think that that's what happens with Rogers the Musical.

829
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 2: I think when they adapt Rogers the Musical for the

830
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: film version in the MCU, they will have America's ass

831
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: Like as the end song, the big Like number, but

832
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 2: it won't be part of of Rogers the music.

833
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 3: It's a serious, light Broadway musical. Of course, there's emotions

834
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: to be had there.

835
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,080
Speaker 2: Yes, and the next up. The first three episodes of

836
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 2: Why the Last Man have dropped on the internet. You

837
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 2: can watch them on Hulu through FX and These are

838
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: adapted from the well regarded and critically acclaimed comics from Vertigo,

839
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: written by Brian Kavon with art by Piagara. I have

840
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 2: watched the first three episodes. I've watched the first six episodes.

841
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: What do you think Rosie.

842
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 3: It did not answer my biggest question about this show sure,

843
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 3: which is should you have made this show? Does this

844
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 3: show need to exist in twenty twenty one. I don't

845
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: feel like that is what I saw that that would

846
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:54,320
Speaker 3: be my ye. I feel like it's a very well

847
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:55,840
Speaker 3: made show.

848
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: But it looks great.

849
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: It looks great, but you know what the truth is

850
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 3: when I think about Why the Last Man, which obviously

851
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 3: was like such an iconic book for people like our age,

852
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: people a bit older than us, people a bit younger

853
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 3: than us, that was like the Vertigo book, that is

854
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 3: like the When I think about that, even the esthetically

855
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: like I think of like Peers R. And I think

856
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 3: of like the Colors, and it has that comic book

857
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 3: feel to me. The biggest immediate issue of Disconnected is

858
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: it just feels like The Walking Dead And I understand

859
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 3: why you do that because The Walking Dead is so popular,

860
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 3: but that gritty dark even the setup, the way they

861
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,760
Speaker 3: changed it kind of gives it more of that vibe.

862
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: It's not a show that excited me in the way

863
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: that I hoped it would. But again, I do feel

864
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: like for this show to work now, it has to

865
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 3: be an almost like Watchmen level reconsideration of what it means,

866
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: what you're really dealing with, rather than just like another

867
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 3: apocalyptic show. And that, for me is is kind of

868
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: what I got.

869
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: I think that's really well said, because my end shoal

870
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: reaction is this is too much of what is actually

871
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: going on, right, you know, it's about a plague that

872
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 2: kills every holder of the Y chromosome. All men die,

873
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:21,959
Speaker 2: all male animals die, like wiped out, and the only

874
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: survivor from the men is this character York and his

875
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 2: monkey Ampersand and what happens now? What happens to the world,

876
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 2: How does America carry on? How does the world carry out?

877
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: It was a little and what are the political ramifications

878
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: of that? It felt so present that it felt like, Man,

879
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 2: if I want to catch this fibe, I'll just watch

880
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: the news. Also, I think one of the things that

881
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 2: like kind of bumped me in the comics, there's a

882
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: level of emotional sustain that makes sense for that medium.

883
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: What I mean by that is Yorick is confronted with

884
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 2: this massive death, incredible loss. He might see someone's brain's

885
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: blown out right in front of him, someone dies in

886
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: his arms two panels later, a page later, If that

887
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 2: if he if that energy seems to have faded away,

888
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 2: we don't think about that because it's a comic. Uh,

889
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: it makes sense that the characters would have moved on

890
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,240
Speaker 2: in the context of this show. It's hard to escape

891
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 2: that Yorick is just an asshole.

892
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: Oh, like this sucks.

893
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 2: He's absolute west it And it's really every time he's

894
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 2: on the screen, I'm like, this fucking guy. It's like, listen,

895
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: everybody has died and you're like, I need to find

896
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: my girlfriend, and like I'm complaining about shit. It's like, dude,

897
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: you have no responsibilities. Your mom's trying to run the country,

898
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: Like what are you and you're sitting here complaining about

899
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 2: like like your life and stuff like this is so

900
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 2: out of touch. And in the comics that kind of

901
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: made sense, and there was like a quippiness and a

902
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 2: and a breeziness to the horror that to the horror

903
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,080
Speaker 2: of the cond of what was going on in the

904
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: in the world that felt right for a comic book

905
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 2: and made it and created the kind of tone that

906
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: made it a critically acclaimed book. Taking that directly to

907
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: live action, it's really hard man, And again, this guy

908
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: is uric, just fucking sucks.

909
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: He sucks, And I think that the other thing is, like,

910
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: so something really important to point out right, is like,

911
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: so every like cis man dies, right, but that also

912
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,919
Speaker 3: means that a bunch of trans women die, and there's

913
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 3: all these different The way that we talk about gender

914
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 3: and explore gender has changed so much, and in the

915
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 3: original comics that's like one of its biggest flaws when

916
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 3: you read it back, is it has it's very sensationalist

917
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 3: and like tropy around ideas of different gender, different ideas

918
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 3: of gender and the way that people would be affected

919
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 3: by this y chromosome. So it's very bio essentialist whatever bullshit.

920
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: But like, I don't feel like there's still something about

921
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: the original version of Euorp that feels kind of like,

922
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it was the era of the time,

923
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: but him being a jerk it kind of fits. You're like,

924
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: he's this unlikable, like he sucks, he's just this average guy.

925
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,240
Speaker 3: But twenty years later, when those guys are like ruling

926
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,360
Speaker 3: the country and every story is still about them, it

927
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 3: doesn't feel that way. It's like, I don't I understand

928
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: now why they were thinking of casting Barry keone who

929
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: from because he's a creepy, good, weird actor.

930
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 4: And when I saw that, I was like, Oh, I

931
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 4: was like, if you're gonna do yorick, but you know,

932
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 4: Yorick sucks, and like we are left in this position

933
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 4: where the last CIS guy on earth?

934
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 3: Is this just the worst dude who's so ungrateful for

935
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 3: it and you are knowledgeable about it. I was like,

936
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 3: that's interesting. But instead they cast they recast hunky Yorick,

937
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 3: and you're meant to care about him, and he sucks.

938
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 3: He's not even a good escape artist, which doesn't make

939
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: any sense because he's him being an escape artist is

940
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 3: important to the story going on.

941
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:01,240
Speaker 2: I agree that would have been really to your earlier

942
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 2: point about like taking it to a Watchman level where

943
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 2: you're making a different kind of commentary on the world.

944
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: Now m m, that would have been really interesting, and

945
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: maybe that happens like a kind of subversive take on

946
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 2: this regular Cis white guy. He's the last one left,

947
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: and he's not up to it. He's not up to

948
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 2: any of the challenges of the world. He's not up

949
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,760
Speaker 2: to the responsibility. He's trying to shirk it and doesn't

950
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 2: this suck? Yeah, this is him and this is an

951
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 2: average guy like this is this is We're surrounded by

952
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 2: these guys in our current life, and I think that

953
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,480
Speaker 2: that would have been cool and subversive. It's but I

954
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: agree with you, they're not. That's not what they're doing.

955
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 3: They do or and he they want him to be

956
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 3: the next Rick Grimes or whatever, and he's just some

957
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 3: guy like and I will say, the one thing I

958
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 3: think is really good about the show by a mile

959
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 3: is Ashley Romans as three five the agent.

960
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: He is great. She needs to be the.

961
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: Protagonist, Like she's the best character in the comics. She's

962
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 3: the best character in the show. I really didn't like

963
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: what they did with hero who in the comics is

964
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 3: that's your sister. She is this complex, she's an EMT.

965
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: She struggles with addictions, trying to get her life together.

966
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 3: In this they randomly made it where she like murdered

967
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 3: her lover before everyone died, and then they were like,

968
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: and now she's gonna have to live with the guilt,

969
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,399
Speaker 3: And I was like, why, Like one, if she murdered him,

970
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 3: then what about we just get to see her being

971
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 3: so stoked that she got away with it because nobody cares.

972
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 3: I would be interested to see that and two why

973
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 3: did she have to murder him at all? Like, I

974
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 3: don't get it. I didn't get it.

975
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 2: I guess that's the uh setup for her eventually joining

976
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: the Amazons. But like listen, just as a structural thing,

977
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 2: they released the first three episodes, which to me is

978
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: like a red flag because it says, hey, this should

979
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 2: really be one episode. What what a single episode of

980
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: the show should do, which is launch you forward into

981
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: the story and want and leave you wanting more and

982
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 2: wanting to know what happens. It's actually three episodes that

983
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 2: does that do that, And you know, the first few

984
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 2: episodes it feels like kind of nothing happens for a

985
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,240
Speaker 2: long time. It's just like introduction, introduction and the introduction

986
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 2: of hero in much the same way. It's like, so

987
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 2: we go to that, we have her commit the murder,

988
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: and then we just that just goes away, like we know,

989
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:26,959
Speaker 2: we don't come back to that. I guess we're gonna

990
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: meet her eventually when she has fallen in with the Amazons.

991
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 2: But like, it just feels like, what happens in episode

992
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,919
Speaker 2: three that should be episode one, Like that should that's

993
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,439
Speaker 2: how the story should start. It just is a lot

994
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 2: of set up and I'll say this, and this is

995
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:48,040
Speaker 2: a spoiler. So for those of you who have not

996
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 2: read the comics and are going to do it, maybe

997
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 2: pause or something. But if they pull off a three

998
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 2: five five uric romance in this show, it is going

999
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 2: to be one of the greatest accomploicies in storytelling history.

1000
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 2: Because York is such a piece of shit that I

1001
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 2: just can't see it being believable. Yes, he is the

1002
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 2: last literally the last guy on earth, but like every

1003
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: time he opens his mouth, you're like, dude, shut up

1004
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: and please put a fucking leash on your monkey. Like

1005
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 2: that's the That's the other thing on my read. Is

1006
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,400
Speaker 2: it really hit at the time? Like that comic again

1007
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 2: in the post nine to eleven era, it was like

1008
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: it was white like why the Last Man? Uh, Scott

1009
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 2: Pilgrim and the Walking Dead were like the critically acclaimed

1010
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 2: comic series that like you just had to read, but

1011
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,280
Speaker 2: like looking back on it after the third or fourth

1012
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: ampersand Escape, put a fucking leash on the monkey, tie

1013
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 2: a rope around the monkey. Why are you constantly letting

1014
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: this monkey escape? Anyway?

1015
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 3: Yorick sucks And like I don't know. I I was

1016
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: like hope for the show. It's not for me basically,

1017
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: and maybe there's someone out there who's going to be

1018
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 3: like really interested in this deep like political kind of

1019
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: plot lines they put in. But it's very American centric,

1020
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 3: which I understand on a budget level, but it's also

1021
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 3: very different from the comic. And yeah, I just I'll

1022
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: be interested. Hopefully they'll maybe do some really subversive stuff.

1023
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 3: I think they really wanted to plan for it to

1024
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 3: be five seasons, so there's a lot of time to

1025
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,319
Speaker 3: explore that. But yuric sucks and like you said, there's

1026
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 3: a real plague, So no, thank you.

1027
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 2: It's very rude. But listen, uh, I didn't love The

1028
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 2: Walking Dad either. It wasn't for me that but it

1029
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: wasn't for me, but like, who knows, maybe it finds

1030
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 2: an audience in the same way that The walk found

1031
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 2: a massive eyes I do.

1032
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 3: I do have a Walking Dead dream though, which is like,

1033
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 3: so okay, so I don't. I don't really like the

1034
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: Walking Dead show. It's not for me. But when Robert

1035
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 3: how Robert Kirkman got The Walking Dead picked up by Image,

1036
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 3: he was like driving one of the founders around and

1037
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 3: he was pitching them this comic and it was a

1038
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 3: zombie comic, and they were like, no, we don't want

1039
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 3: a zombie comic. So he told them the twist was

1040
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: it was actually an alien invasion comic and that the

1041
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 3: aliens were the ones who put the zombies there. And

1042
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 3: then like he puts out the book and the book

1043
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: starts coming out and they're like, where are the Aliens?

1044
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 3: And he's like, it's coming. And then the book gets

1045
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 3: so successful they just forgot about it and it was

1046
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: just a straight up lie. But now it's the final

1047
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: season of The Walking Dead. I'm like, if you actually

1048
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 3: want to make me a fan, just say it was aliens.

1049
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 2: It's like, well, I mean to your point about this

1050
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 2: being like The Walking Dead, you know, one of the

1051
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: kind of central mysteries of Why the Last Man is

1052
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: like why did this play start? Much like that? And

1053
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,279
Speaker 2: much like The Walking Dead, we never really get there,

1054
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 2: like it's it's not about that, it's about journey the

1055
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: world after this happened. So is that satisfying to people

1056
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: in the same way that like we never find out

1057
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 2: like what what caused the zon Bobbie plague? And in

1058
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 2: The Walking Dead? I don't know, but I wish everyone

1059
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: in the best of luck because it does. It looks great,

1060
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: the performances are very good. It just thus far was

1061
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 2: not for me. When we come back, Rosie and I,

1062
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 2: we'd be diving into Marvel's what If. Okay, welcome to

1063
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 2: the airlock. Today we are going to talk about we're

1064
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: going to look forward to what If. This is kind

1065
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 2: of going to come out on a Wednesday, so we're

1066
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:39,560
Speaker 2: going to miss, unfortunately, the what if kill Monger save

1067
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: Tony Stark episode, which which is what we expect to

1068
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 2: be that episode. But let's talk about what if. Let's

1069
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 2: talk about the previous episodes, some of the comics stuff,

1070
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: and then let's take a look forward into what appears

1071
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: to be based off the trailer that recently dropped, what

1072
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 2: appears to be a team up close to this season.

1073
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: Super super fun, super exciting. Of course, let's quickly run

1074
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 2: through the episodes. Episodes one, what if Captain Carter were

1075
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 2: the first Avenger? We introduced Shuma Gorerath into XCU continuity,

1076
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: What if the Challah became star Lord? Episode two? Super

1077
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 2: fun episode, Yeah, maybe my favorite of the early run.

1078
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 2: Episode three, what If the World Lost its Mightiest Heroes?

1079
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: In which Hank him always an asshole in the MCU

1080
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: and obviously a troubled figure in Marvel Comics canon. He

1081
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 2: just kind of goes ronan serial killer and decides to

1082
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 2: kill all the heroes before they can join up as

1083
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: the Avengers. Episode four, what if Doctor Strange lost his

1084
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,560
Speaker 2: heart instead of his hands, we get an evil Doctor Strange,

1085
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 2: corrupted Doctor Strange in the in the vernacular of the MCU.

1086
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: Episode five, What if Zombies, which I was waiting for,

1087
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 2: super fun. Okay, let's pause here for a second. I

1088
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: really like this. I really liked this episode. Hope's sacrifice

1089
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 2: hit me. That was really cool. I don't think Stark's

1090
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 2: armor responds to zombie Stark, Like, I don't think it

1091
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 2: would work.

1092
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,760
Speaker 3: I think that's this is my biggest This is my

1093
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 3: biggest problem with the episode. Right, I feel like, rather

1094
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 3: than and it's thirty minute episode, I get it, but

1095
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: I feel like, rather than doing a zombie story that

1096
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 3: fits into what we love about zombie stories, which is sacrifice,

1097
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 3: emotional loss. Somebody was like, but what if a zombie

1098
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: had Tony Starks armor and like Hulk's powers or whatever,

1099
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 3: Like it's a cool idea to have superhero zombies. But

1100
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 3: I don't think that the suit would do that, and

1101
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily like it's a cool action piece. And

1102
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 3: I kind of in that way, I kind of really

1103
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 3: respect the vibe of like just doing like thirty minutes

1104
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 3: of just pure horror action. There's just choices that I

1105
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 3: do not believe that Bucky could just like kill Steve

1106
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 3: and it wouldn't be a thing like that. I know.

1107
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 3: That was very unbelievable.

1108
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: Unbelievable that was that was very like we're in the

1109
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: animated world, and therefore we're going to modulate down like

1110
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 2: the emotional exactly, because he definitely was like I should

1111
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 2: what does he say something like I should feel something?

1112
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? But and Cap and he's like peace, like cool uh,

1113
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 3: And like I don't. I don't love like I feel

1114
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,360
Speaker 3: like I get that you want to have stuff from

1115
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 3: the comics, but like I didn't need to see to'challa

1116
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 3: be the one getting zombie munched one again, like we've

1117
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 3: seen that happen to him in the comics. They could

1118
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 3: have changed it. It wasn't. I didn't love it. But you

1119
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 3: know what, wondering vision they deserve each other that we've

1120
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:50,240
Speaker 3: learned now from this episode. Wonderful those two are.

1121
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: I will say, so this is an important thing. I

1122
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 2: think that does set up Multiverse of Madness and Phase

1123
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 2: four in general, which is as we saw from Wandavis.

1124
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: It certainly seems as if we are pivoting towards a

1125
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: Wanda who is either a flat out villain or is

1126
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 2: the Shades of Gray character much like in the comics,

1127
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 2: whose power level makes her either a villain or a

1128
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 2: hero depending on circumstances. And that is, on the one

1129
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: hand's super interesting and also, like, I guess they're just

1130
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 2: turning her into Jean Gray in a weird way. But like,

1131
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 2: I know that is how it is.

1132
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 3: You know that that is what? Yeah, I mean, even

1133
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 3: the power set the way that it's represented here, I mean, yeah, that.

1134
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:44,920
Speaker 2: Is an interesting thing to note as we go forward,

1135
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 2: is Yeah, Listen, in the comics, the relationship between Vision

1136
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 2: and Wanda, their love for each other causes no end

1137
01:00:54,440 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 2: of problems, up to and including Wanda wishing a way

1138
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: basically all the mutants. Nearly this is on the heels

1139
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 2: of creating a world in which the mutants had basically won.

1140
01:01:09,240 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, with the manipulation of like her brother and

1141
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 3: her dad, well her sometimes brother and dad magneto and quick.

1142
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 2: So this is gonna this is gonna be, This is

1143
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: gonna be. This is a thing to note going forward,

1144
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 2: because it certainly seems as if we're setting up one

1145
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 2: ye'ld be some sort of villain.

1146
01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:31,240
Speaker 3: Definitely, and they're establishing that Vision will do whatever he

1147
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 3: needs to do, even in Wonder Vision, like he forgives her,

1148
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 3: you know, like it's it's okay, whatever she's done. And

1149
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 3: in this version we get to see him doing these

1150
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 3: horrific things, you know, torturing people, killing people to feed

1151
01:01:44,120 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 3: his zombie wife. You know. So these two like they

1152
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: don't cause some trouble, and they they got some problems,

1153
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 3: they got some marital issues.

1154
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 2: Do we ever get do you think we ever get

1155
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: Power Man?

1156
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 3: I do believe that there is a version where we see,

1157
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: like Simon Williams Wonder Man like version of Vision, like

1158
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 3: real vision. I think that that could happen. I was

1159
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 3: sure it was going to happen in I thought it

1160
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: would in Wonder Vision. I was just sure because it

1161
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 3: makes so much sense, because so in the comics, Vision's

1162
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 3: mind is based on the imprint of Wonder Man's mind,

1163
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:23,560
Speaker 3: and then later on when he turns into White Vision,

1164
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 3: wonderfuls and love Simon Williams, and then it's all very dramatic,

1165
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 3: and obviously that's not how it was in the MCU

1166
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: because you have the Tony starkth or Ultron situation. But

1167
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:37,600
Speaker 3: I do I think that that is likely another character

1168
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 3: who was on the Avengers Forever cover. So I I

1169
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 3: think it is a likely turn of events. And I

1170
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 3: wouldn't even be surprised if we get some hints towards

1171
01:02:48,400 --> 01:02:50,880
Speaker 3: the end of What If after all these episodes that

1172
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: have seemed slightly disparate apart from Schumerg the recurring Champion,

1173
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 3: But like I wouldn't be I think we're seeing some

1174
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:00,440
Speaker 3: things that are going to be seen into that may and.

1175
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 2: MC let's talk about the mid season sneak peak trailer,

1176
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: which is super fun. Unfortunately, so if you don't IMDb

1177
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,800
Speaker 2: appears to have spoiled what the find the finale is about,

1178
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 2: So if you don't want to hear this, turnaway now,

1179
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: but well, I'll just say that the appears that the

1180
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: Big Bad of what looks like a team up of

1181
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: the various heroes introduced through the over the course of

1182
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 2: the series, who then join together under the Moniker the

1183
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 2: Guardians of the Multiverse will be fighting Infinite Ultron, which

1184
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 2: is kind of like a merging of Ultron with the Vision,

1185
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 2: a seeming nod to both the Age the Comics Age

1186
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 2: of Ultron limited series crossover event and also like Annihilation

1187
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 2: Conquest in which Ultron sends himself out out into space

1188
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 2: and becomes like an army of Ultrons and then just

1189
01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 2: starts like knocking off planets.

1190
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's even like there's like what if issues

1191
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 3: that play on that too, like what if Vision defeated

1192
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 3: the Avengers. So this it kind of plays on what

1193
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 3: you were already hinting, which is this idea of Vision

1194
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:14,840
Speaker 3: and Wanda potentially being these gray area antagonist characters that

1195
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 3: kind of live outside of that safe bubble of the Avengers.

1196
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 2: So the the mid season sneak Peak trailer is super

1197
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 2: super fun, and we have four episodes left. Of course,

1198
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 2: again this is coming out on the day and episode drops,

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Speaker 2: So I would assume that we get Thor we have

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01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 2: we'd have to get Thor. Thor appears in this sneak

1201
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 2: Peak episode. He is dead in the in the Cannon

1202
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 2: that we have now killed by Hank Pim. But so

1203
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: I would assume we get Thor probably in the in

1204
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: the what if Killmongers save Tony Stark episode, we still

1205
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: need to get we would need to get Tony Stark

1206
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,040
Speaker 2: probably from there. That's where we get kill Munger from

1207
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: Kill Munger is early in this episode. Let's see Hawkeye

1208
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: has been introduced, Spider Man has been introduced. Oh here's

1209
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 2: a fun idea. So we see Gomorra in Thanos armor,

1210
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 2: and we also see Coorg in what appears to be Siicar,

1211
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 2: and we also see the Grand Master dj if hypothesis,

1212
01:05:25,240 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: if this is somehow based on Annihilation Conquest or something

1213
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 2: like that Age of Old, maybe I'm gonna say that

1214
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: we're probably getting like a two part finale in which

1215
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 2: the penultimate episode is like the setup. We need to

1216
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: here comes the threat, we need to figure out how

1217
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 2: to face the threat, and then they defeat the threat.

1218
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:51,760
Speaker 2: So I think it's some version of It's possibly some

1219
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 2: version of like, let's get the Infinity Gauntlet from Zombie

1220
01:05:55,800 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 2: Thanos so we can beat this guy. And when Ultron

1221
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,200
Speaker 2: is you know, zooming towards Earth, maybe he takes out

1222
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 2: Scar and that is how we see Corgan the Grandmaster.

1223
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm gonna throw in something very funny, The

1224
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 3: Joys of Capitalism. Yeah, and so I was in Target

1225
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 3: and I saw a what if lego set. Now there

1226
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 3: are two what if Lego sets that have been released.

1227
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 3: One is what If Hydra Stomper the Cool Captain Carr

1228
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 3: Steve Rodgers Stomper and the other one was that one

1229
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: very core. I love it. It's a rad design, so

1230
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 3: that shows that they are making things there in the show.

1231
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 3: The other one was Tony Stark's Sakarian Armor and it

1232
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 3: was basically Tony in like a circar mec. So I

1233
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 3: do wonder if you're a scent I think you might

1234
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 3: be on the right track. I just think that maybe

1235
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 3: something to do with Killmonger saving Tony is going to

1236
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: end up with them on that space, which is also

1237
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: where we could potentially see thought yes and something along

1238
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: those lines. But I definitely, I definitely think that the

1239
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,080
Speaker 3: two part finale makes sense. I think you're going to

1240
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,680
Speaker 3: get the assembling of the team, yeah, and then you're

1241
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 3: going to get that we gotta fight kind of thing.

1242
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 3: The big question is do you think Uatu like the

1243
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 3: Watcher is going to join them, because I think that

1244
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 3: will be the thing. I think that might be the

1245
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 3: secret kind of Guardians of the Multiverse helper.

1246
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: I mean, I think they've been hinting at it now. Listen,

1247
01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 2: o Watu famously does not interfere in the comics, he

1248
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: does not interfere what a lie what he has. Of course,

1249
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: when in any story, when when a character who is

1250
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: recurring says, I won't do this, the only way the

1251
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:44,520
Speaker 2: story works is if you is, if the creators create

1252
01:07:44,560 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: the context for that person then breaking that rule and

1253
01:07:48,040 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: doing it so I feel like he has to get

1254
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: involved somehow, right, Like it has to happen.

1255
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, And if you think about, like just aesthetically, the

1256
01:07:57,160 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 3: way the show looks, the animation they use. One of

1257
01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 3: the coolest things about it has been how they bring

1258
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:03,840
Speaker 3: him to life with like the stars and the different representations.

1259
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 3: So if you're gonna have this huge Guardians of the

1260
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,919
Speaker 3: Multiverse team with all these different rad characters, it would

1261
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 3: be very It would be a cool visual storytelling thing

1262
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,680
Speaker 3: to have him there alongside them. And like in the comics,

1263
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: I think in the Eternals two thousand and eight series,

1264
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: the Dreaming Celestial says he's broken it like four hundred times,

1265
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:24,519
Speaker 3: like he's his thing not to interfit and then like

1266
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 3: one of my favorite ones is in this Fantastic Four

1267
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 3: comic in the eighties ages like in nineteen eighty four,

1268
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 3: the Oatu is like Read Richard's Lawyer because Read Richards

1269
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 3: like saves Galactus or something. But I feel like, especially

1270
01:08:42,240 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 3: after the emotional kind of drive behind the Doctor Strange

1271
01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: episode where you really saw are to make that choice

1272
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 3: to not help because it was all about strangers arrogance,

1273
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 3: I think that was like setting here's the line he

1274
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 3: won't cross, but maybe we're going to get see the

1275
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 3: one he will court.

1276
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 2: I think we'll see something like that. You know, the

1277
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: multiverse is so threatened that you know, what does it matter?

1278
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 2: What does it mean to be a watcher if there's

1279
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 2: nothing to watch exactly? And I think that's when Uwatu,

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01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 2: and again it's not actually confirmed that he is Uatu,

1281
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 2: but we'll just call him a Watu for now, the

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01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 2: watch the Watcher. I think that is when Uwatu decides, fine,

1283
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 2: I will help you by either providing information about the

1284
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 2: things that he's seen. He knows about these other multiverses.

1285
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 2: How are they gonna get together? Right? He's gonna say,

1286
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 2: I know someone who can help. I know a hero

1287
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:43,840
Speaker 2: from this other multiple.

1288
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:46,520
Speaker 3: And like a multiverse or Nick Fury.

1289
01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 2: Yes, and that is how they will all get together

1290
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 2: because they don't know about each other right now. So

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01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 2: I think Owatu will come to a point where he

1292
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:57,720
Speaker 2: sees the multiverse under existential threat, and he and one

1293
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 2: of these heroes will appeal to him how you can't really, like,

1294
01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: I can't do this alone, and then Oatu will say, okay, fine,

1295
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 2: I know other people who can help, and then it

1296
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: will probably be up to that hero to figure out

1297
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 2: how to get to those timelines to bring the people in.

1298
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: But I think that's how it happens.

1299
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're definitely right, because when you even

1300
01:10:17,600 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 3: think about the name of the team, the Guardians of

1301
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,080
Speaker 3: the Multiverse, that very specific. They are protecting everything. Yeah,

1302
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 3: it's like you are too. Wouldn't save Doctor Strange or

1303
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,760
Speaker 3: the Watch, wouldn't save Doctor Strange's one universe that he

1304
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 3: messed up with his own selfish things. But if it's

1305
01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 3: every universe, then surely you have to step in because

1306
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,320
Speaker 3: otherwise do you even exist?

1307
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:41,600
Speaker 2: Like you know, for if people want to get some

1308
01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 2: Uatu comics knowledge, where would you where would you point

1309
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:46,840
Speaker 2: them to?

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01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 3: I think that I do like, I like the weird

1311
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:52,680
Speaker 3: old stuff, so like the Fantastic four stuff like the

1312
01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,960
Speaker 3: eighties and it basically any weird like comic you could

1313
01:10:57,000 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 3: pick up in a you know, a quarter bin is

1314
01:10:59,439 --> 01:11:02,560
Speaker 3: really my favorite stuff. But there is like speaking of

1315
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 3: Jason Aaron again with actually Might the Other to the

1316
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:10,479
Speaker 3: Invincible Iron Man Artist. Yeah, there was an Original Sin

1317
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:13,439
Speaker 3: Original Sin series. I think people really really like dig

1318
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:14,040
Speaker 3: on that one.

1319
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,240
Speaker 2: That was a fun like Marvel does. Yeah, Marvel doesn't

1320
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,880
Speaker 2: do Who Done It very often and so like, yeah,

1321
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 2: it's like I dug the who Done It ness of it.

1322
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:29,040
Speaker 2: I would I would argue that the that the reveal

1323
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: is not super satisfying, but like the journey is is

1324
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 2: pretty fun.

1325
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think that. I think that. I think

1326
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,080
Speaker 3: that also just looking for any comics that are cosmic,

1327
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:44,640
Speaker 3: you'll usually find the watches popping up. Yeah, I'm a

1328
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:47,080
Speaker 3: big fan of any kind of like Infinity Want the

1329
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 3: Infinity War, that kind of stuff, Like they're always popping

1330
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 3: up doing some nonsense, the Dreaming, the Eternals, the two

1331
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, which I think is volume three series

1332
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 3: that has quite a lot of a war Tu centric

1333
01:11:58,160 --> 01:11:59,960
Speaker 3: stuff because like a war two doesn't want to walk

1334
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 3: when the Dreaming Celestial is worn and stuff like that.

1335
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:06,000
Speaker 3: So like, I feel like that. I feel like the

1336
01:12:06,040 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 3: fact that we've got this what if series, and my

1337
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: brain does always make connections that are not always true

1338
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 3: because I just have too much information in there and

1339
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 3: trying to make sense of it. But the I was

1340
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 3: thinking about that Eternal stuff a lot, and I was

1341
01:12:16,160 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: feeling like what if right now introducing the concept of

1342
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:22,480
Speaker 3: the Watcher and then having this emergence in the Eternals

1343
01:12:22,479 --> 01:12:24,479
Speaker 3: movie and stuff, I feel like there's this is again

1344
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 3: something that could very easily cross over.

1345
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: I agree with you. And then certainly, you know, as

1346
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 2: we saw from the announcement for Avengance Forever, this stuff

1347
01:12:33,479 --> 01:12:36,599
Speaker 2: is is it's starting to cross over now like once,

1348
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: we haven't seen anything jump obviously it's too soon, right,

1349
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,000
Speaker 2: but we but it's yet to be seen if stuff

1350
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:48,439
Speaker 2: will jump directly from animated to live action, but certainly

1351
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: jumping from live action animated to comics is yeah, the

1352
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:57,679
Speaker 2: next step is live action. Yeah, yeah, I'm I gotta say,

1353
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 2: like if what if? Really, I think they'll I think

1354
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: they will nail listen that animated is I love animated

1355
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 2: series and then this is like, again something that I've

1356
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:09,040
Speaker 2: been waiting for for a long time. I think that

1357
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 2: if they nail this team up, it opens the door

1358
01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 2: to a lot of really really fun things. Brad winder Bomb,

1359
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,360
Speaker 2: the head of Streaming TV and animation at Marvel, said quote,

1360
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 2: all Marvel projects are in some way connected. There's always

1361
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 2: the potential with regards to animation going to live action. Again,

1362
01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 2: I would imagine it seems to me more plausible that

1363
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 2: it would go animation to Comics two.

1364
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:41,280
Speaker 3: Because becomes canon then yeah, the correct but yeah, it's

1365
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 3: super super funny. Yeah. I also think that, like you're

1366
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 3: so right about that. I think that if this lands

1367
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: in the way that they want it to, I just

1368
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,879
Speaker 3: think there's so much space for a mark a solid

1369
01:13:54,160 --> 01:13:57,679
Speaker 3: Marvel animation because like, yeah, we will have amazing memories

1370
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 3: of the X Men ninety show and stuff. But like

1371
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,840
Speaker 3: if you've like one wasn't made by Marvel two, Like

1372
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 3: the animation is very nineties, that's the nice place the

1373
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 3: quality of it, you know, and in a world where

1374
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 3: DC is putting out multiple incredible, like cinema level, iconic

1375
01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 3: like animated movies, obviously you have a space now because

1376
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:23,800
Speaker 3: of streaming services. People are getting to watch not just

1377
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 3: classic anime series and stuff, but also like brand new

1378
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 3: anime at all times, Like there's always new stuff coming

1379
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,639
Speaker 3: out that's inspiring people. This is a space where Marvel,

1380
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,840
Speaker 3: I think not just can grow, but kind of needs

1381
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 3: to grow.

1382
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, where DC really took the lead. I think one

1383
01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: of the great things that DC has done is they

1384
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,400
Speaker 2: made animated versions of some of their great arcs, great stories.

1385
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,240
Speaker 2: That's the next step if Marvel wants to and it

1386
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 2: wants to get into the space, it's like, what what

1387
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 2: do we have in the vaults that And I don't

1388
01:14:56,680 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 2: think it's I don't think U the story already being

1389
01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: adapted for live actions, say the Ultimates or something like that.

1390
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: I don't think that's a problem because the live actions

1391
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:09,479
Speaker 2: are so different, it's different. What do you think is

1392
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 2: like the arcs to pick if they're gonna do that?

1393
01:15:13,080 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 3: This is what I think is the most obvious thing, right,

1394
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 3: And I really liked What If, But I would hope

1395
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 3: that this I think, like the Doctor Strange episode, specifically,

1396
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 3: some of the face animation wasn't really like one hundred

1397
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:27,479
Speaker 3: percent there, Like I would love to see a lot

1398
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: of money thrown at a real Infinity Saga, like a

1399
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 3: real like from the comics. Imagine that sprawling you. It

1400
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: doesn't matter. People have seen the MCU, they've read the comics,

1401
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:40,479
Speaker 3: they know who Fanos is. You can do Adam Warlock,

1402
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 3: the just imagine the cosmos like the Unbelievable Adventure, getting

1403
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 3: to see the duality of all those characters. And then

1404
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:49,680
Speaker 3: if you want, you can even call it like Infinity

1405
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 3: Saga legacy or whatever, and it's a way to once

1406
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,639
Speaker 3: again reintroduce characters. The thing. Now, there's a million other

1407
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 3: stories that I would love to see as well, like

1408
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 3: why not make a fensetastic four movie based on like

1409
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 3: that introduction of Galactus. You know you could, you could

1410
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 3: really do that that that little short arc. Marvel has

1411
01:16:08,439 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 3: so many famous like three four issue. Yes, but I

1412
01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:14,240
Speaker 3: do think that post MCU, post what they call the

1413
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 3: Infinity Saga, if you're going to make an animated movie

1414
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 3: or a series of animated movies, that is a place

1415
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,519
Speaker 3: where you could do something really spectacular that would really

1416
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,559
Speaker 3: make you stand out, that is also already accessible to

1417
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 3: people who love the MCU. Do you have any that

1418
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 3: you would love to see?

1419
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 2: I would love to see a bunch of X Men stuff.

1420
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,880
Speaker 2: Like take any of the of the great arcs of

1421
01:16:33,880 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 2: the Claremont era and just directly translate them as Guardian Wars,

1422
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: which is the X Men and the New Mutants getting

1423
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 2: wrapped up in a bunch of skullduggery and Asgard would

1424
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,639
Speaker 2: be an absolutely like incredible animated series. Avengers under Siege,

1425
01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 2: the famous Roger Stern arc in which the Masters of

1426
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: Evil break into the Avengers mansion and basically lay waste

1427
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 2: to it, and it's up to Wasp and Black Knight

1428
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,800
Speaker 2: and Captain America basically to like take it back. Hercules

1429
01:17:05,840 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 2: gets his fucking ass dump, you know, Like you know,

1430
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: Ultimate Spider Man is kind of like a no brainer,

1431
01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 2: Like like the early Ultimate Ultimate spider Man arcs are

1432
01:17:18,439 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 2: like if you made a two hour Ultimate Spider Man

1433
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 2: like movie that's based like right off of the first

1434
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:26,679
Speaker 2: like twenty four issues of that comic, I think that's

1435
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 2: that would absolutely hit.

1436
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that there's like a really into when

1437
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:32,400
Speaker 3: you brought Roger Sterne as well. Like I was just

1438
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:35,360
Speaker 3: thinking of some comics that like so something that I

1439
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 3: think a lot of people really especially like people our

1440
01:17:38,520 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 3: age people a bit older. The Bob Late and Iron

1441
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 3: Man stuff where Tony's like struggling with addiction. Yeah, that's

1442
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,360
Speaker 3: not really gonna they touch on it, ay the tiniest

1443
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 3: knots in the MCU because they know people care about it.

1444
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 3: But imagine if you made an animated movie that was

1445
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 3: actually just about like Tony at his lowest but kind

1446
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 3: of coming through it. Like DC has broached that R

1447
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 3: rated boundary. You know, they've done the Dark Night Returns,

1448
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 3: They've done like these different things. You could use this

1449
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 3: as a space. I do think the most likely first

1450
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:10,600
Speaker 3: version of it is seeding stuff. Whether you are going

1451
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,759
Speaker 3: to do something, they'll be really cool like that Jason

1452
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 3: Aarron Like, uh see Wakanda and Die the Secret Invasion Wakanda,

1453
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 3: Like that's a great art that's really visually interesting that

1454
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: you could really use to set up the Secret Invasion show. Right,

1455
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 3: that's gonna happen. So I think seeding stuff is really

1456
01:18:27,320 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 3: what they're going to be doing. But just now talking

1457
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 3: to you, I just realized that something that's really cool

1458
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 3: is it could be a space for stories from the

1459
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 3: comics that we're probably never going to see in live action,

1460
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 3: a little bit more deep cut, a little bit darker.

1461
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,439
Speaker 2: I'm not saying born again again, you know, it's a

1462
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:44,640
Speaker 2: great exactly.

1463
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 3: But then again I realized I just jinxed myself because

1464
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 3: my worst nightmare would be like a trouble animated series

1465
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 3: about like sexy slight, aren't they And I'm like, that's.

1466
01:18:55,720 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: Like, I don't.

1467
01:18:57,040 --> 01:18:59,200
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll ever. For instance, in live action,

1468
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:03,639
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, Craven's Last Hunt, Cravens Last Hunt,

1469
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 2: like that is such a dark comic. Like rereading it,

1470
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,560
Speaker 2: I was shocked.

1471
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 3: How but it would be an amazing animated.

1472
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:15,759
Speaker 2: But as an animated it would be really really really cool.

1473
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,360
Speaker 2: And also like because you know, listen, we'll probably never

1474
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,720
Speaker 2: well who knows, but like a very very clean and

1475
01:19:24,760 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 2: easy way to do like why not do the classic

1476
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,200
Speaker 2: saga of the of the Alien Suit? Like do that

1477
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,799
Speaker 2: do that? You know Peter comes back from Secret Wars

1478
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 2: and then the whole thing like that was such an

1479
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:38,080
Speaker 2: iconic run.

1480
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 3: I do think that one of the things that people

1481
01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 3: don't really I talk like, I'm always thinking about this,

1482
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 3: and I do think one of the things. The reason

1483
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 3: why that X Men cartoon, the ninety Spider Man cartoon,

1484
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 3: I think the reason that those really spoke to people

1485
01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:52,760
Speaker 3: even when they were just kids, right, is because they

1486
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 3: did these really really really really really really really simplified

1487
01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 3: versions of these iconic arcs, whether it's you know, the Phoenix,

1488
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 3: whether it's the Black Suit. Like, they're not great, but

1489
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 3: you're taking from these stories that have so much depth.

1490
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Speaker 3: So to be able to actually do like a Phoenix saga,

1491
01:20:11,000 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 3: a true Phoenix saga, or a true you know, black

1492
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,160
Speaker 3: Suit Spider Man, but maybe the kind of I mean,

1493
01:20:18,200 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 3: obviously we know it was Sony, but like into the

1494
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 3: Spider Verse just opened up the idea of what animation

1495
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 3: can be in these stories. And I feel like there's

1496
01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 3: so many lessons there for everyone to learn. And I

1497
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 3: think that I definitely thought what if it was? I

1498
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,760
Speaker 3: had quite a low expectations because for a long time,

1499
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 3: my understanding of Marvel animation was those terrible motion comics

1500
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,519
Speaker 3: they would make out of arcs, which were like really

1501
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 3: upsetting to me. I have like a real aversion to

1502
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 3: a motion comic. I think it's because they used to

1503
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 3: sell that Watchmen motion comic in every comic shop for

1504
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: like twenty pounds.

1505
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's just like just make the animated

1506
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,439
Speaker 2: series or don't don't ease, but don't do this. But

1507
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:55,360
Speaker 2: but to be honest with you, I think that that was.

1508
01:20:55,400 --> 01:20:57,600
Speaker 3: What it blew me away. Yea, yeah, because that was

1509
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 3: like that was it was like a step they I

1510
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 3: wasn't expecting the animation to be so good. I feel

1511
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 3: like they found this really dynamic, unique way of telling

1512
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 3: these stories that represents the characters in a way that

1513
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,000
Speaker 3: you know them, but that has a lot of fun

1514
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,400
Speaker 3: out there stuff that you need from what if. So

1515
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 3: I'm really excited to see what that next step is

1516
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 3: and how they could bring like I don't want them

1517
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,559
Speaker 3: to get stuck in one animation style. I think the

1518
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 3: idea of having multiple animation styles potentially inspired by some

1519
01:21:26,120 --> 01:21:28,040
Speaker 3: of these great artists that we love, or just doing

1520
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 3: something totally different than fits the story. I think that's

1521
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 3: just a really exciting next step and maybe even a world.

1522
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,599
Speaker 3: You know, Disney is known for releasing animated movies, Disney

1523
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:39,559
Speaker 3: picks up, maybe there's a world where we could one

1524
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,600
Speaker 3: day see like an X Men animated movie in a

1525
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 3: theater Like that just warms my heart. That idea, that's

1526
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 3: something I could.

1527
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 2: See up next. In the Hive Mind, I chat with

1528
01:21:47,040 --> 01:21:59,519
Speaker 2: Shang Chi and the Legend and the ten Ring star Simouliu. Hey, guys, Hello,

1529
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:00,000
Speaker 2: how are you?

1530
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm really good man, how are you?

1531
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: I'm doing great. The movie is fantastic. It was an

1532
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:08,439
Speaker 2: extremely emotional experience as a long time a comic book

1533
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:13,679
Speaker 2: fan to watch it and congratulations on not only getting

1534
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:15,960
Speaker 2: the role, but becoming a funko pop and an action figure.

1535
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 2: When did it become real for you? Like, oh my god,

1536
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,800
Speaker 2: we're doing this? Was it the chemistry read was it

1537
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:26,160
Speaker 2: the call from from Marvel? Was it the costume fitting?

1538
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: I think it was Comic Con.

1539
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 5: I think it was just been you know, cast four

1540
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 5: days and I was asked to fly down to San

1541
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 5: Diego and meet everybody. And I mean everybody. I mean

1542
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:43,040
Speaker 5: we're talking like you know post Endgame. Wow, the like

1543
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 5: the comic Con that happened. You know, Endgame had literally

1544
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:49,639
Speaker 5: just come out two months prior. Everyone was like, what

1545
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 5: is face for? There's all these question marks. Nobody knew

1546
01:22:53,120 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 5: what was happening. People speculated, but you know that that

1547
01:22:56,520 --> 01:22:57,840
Speaker 5: was the landscape that I fel So it was a

1548
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,879
Speaker 5: very very exciting year. People from every single upcoming movie,

1549
01:23:03,160 --> 01:23:06,080
Speaker 5: Disney plus project, they all flew in and all of

1550
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:09,760
Speaker 5: a sudden, I found myself on stage with Angelina.

1551
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 1: Jolie, with Chris Hemsworth.

1552
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:14,360
Speaker 5: With you know, Sebastian Stan Anthony Mackie, like just some

1553
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 5: of the most famous people on earth and me in

1554
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 5: in my skinny jeans from.

1555
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 2: Zara Great I mean a great a great outlet.

1556
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:30,240
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, no, no, no, knock on Zara.

1557
01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: But I mean some of these some of these people

1558
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:32,280
Speaker 1: were just I.

1559
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:35,720
Speaker 5: Mean they looked like the visage of beauty and then

1560
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 5: I looked I just like some schmuck that had just

1561
01:23:38,760 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 5: shown up out of the blue, like off the street

1562
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:46,479
Speaker 5: or just stepped on stage randomly. But yeah, just just

1563
01:23:46,520 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 5: being there among among everybody really really just hit that

1564
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 5: home for me.

1565
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:53,639
Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's been so meaningful for me as

1566
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:57,799
Speaker 2: a you know, Asian American to to to watch this happen.

1567
01:23:58,600 --> 01:24:01,360
Speaker 2: Are you, like, how much are you of allowing yourself

1568
01:24:01,400 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 2: to feel that, to feel like, what an amazing moment,

1569
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 2: especially after a tough year it's been for for Asians

1570
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 2: in the West, like for to be that representative figure.

1571
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: I am a I.

1572
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 5: Think of myself as a representative figure, and I think

1573
01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,080
Speaker 5: it it is a wonderful moment for our community. Because

1574
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 5: we finally, you know, get to have a lead superhero.

1575
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 5: We get to watch a movie where that you know,

1576
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 5: the title is an Asian is an Asian name, and

1577
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 5: I think that's so incredible. But but further than that,

1578
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 5: I think there's also you know, many other Asian characters

1579
01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:39,760
Speaker 5: in our story that you know, are are you know,

1580
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 5: equally bad ass, have have amazing arcs and their own

1581
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 5: dimensionality and nuance, which which is incredible. But uh yeah,

1582
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 5: I mean I've never I've never kind of shied away

1583
01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 5: from from being one of you know, some somebody who's

1584
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 5: who's outspoken about that.

1585
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: I think, Uh, I owe a lot of my career too,

1586
01:25:00,120 --> 01:25:01,320
Speaker 1: to you know.

1587
01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 5: The gates opening and Asian creatives being allowed to tell

1588
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 5: their stories, from Kim's Convenience to you know, Nora from

1589
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 5: Queen's Fresh off the Boat. I mean, without the community,

1590
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,479
Speaker 5: there literally is none of none of those things. So

1591
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,120
Speaker 5: I'm very happy to be one of their, one of

1592
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 5: the many representatives and to and to speak out about

1593
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 5: about issues that I think affect us.

1594
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 1: Our communities come out in a in a massive way

1595
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 1: for us.

1596
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: I mean it's a massive.

1597
01:25:31,400 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 1: Anecdotally just what I see on the street, it's what

1598
01:25:34,479 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 1: I it's what I see all my friends blowing up

1599
01:25:37,160 --> 01:25:38,680
Speaker 1: my phone and saying, hey, I'm going to watch it

1600
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,280
Speaker 1: again and again and again. I think people really are

1601
01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 1: rooting for the success of this movie, and it's and

1602
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 1: it's just absolutely so touching to see the community all galvanized.

1603
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:53,120
Speaker 2: It's an absolutely terrible day for for your enemies and

1604
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 2: for the enemies of anybody who doubted this film. Uh,

1605
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:59,840
Speaker 2: it's it's crushing right now. It must it must feel

1606
01:25:59,880 --> 01:26:03,880
Speaker 2: me that you're doing it. The movie is as a hit.

1607
01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 5: I mean, it feels it feels great. It feels great

1608
01:26:06,920 --> 01:26:08,719
Speaker 5: to share it with the world and and to see

1609
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 5: them to feel their response to it because we've been

1610
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 5: sitting on this thing for for so long. We filmed it,

1611
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:20,360
Speaker 5: you know, a year ago in Sydney, and I mean

1612
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,439
Speaker 5: we we we knew that we.

1613
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 1: Had something special.

1614
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 5: I knew right off the bat that Destin was a

1615
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 5: it was a very special filmmaker. But yeah, I mean,

1616
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I couldn't have imagined the way that, you know,

1617
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:36,679
Speaker 5: the series of events that that would have played out

1618
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 5: to lead us here. It's been tough, you know, for

1619
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 5: the whole world, and for for a number of reasons.

1620
01:26:43,640 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 5: So I'm really not the only one who's going through it.

1621
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 5: But uh yeah, it's it's, it's it's it's a happy

1622
01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:53,719
Speaker 5: ending to a movie that almost almost didn't get made.

1623
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:59,400
Speaker 2: Have you allowed yourself to like eat a carb yet? Uh,

1624
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,160
Speaker 2: you're training for this. Uh you've talked about it. But

1625
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:09,600
Speaker 2: must have been incredible, very arduous physicality throughout these the

1626
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:12,839
Speaker 2: various scenes in this movie. What was that like doing

1627
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:16,320
Speaker 2: the real hardcore action fight scenes.

1628
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: It was it was really cool.

1629
01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 5: It was you know, it was it was like preparing

1630
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 5: for a season of professional athletics. It was like training

1631
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 5: five six hours every day, you know, with the stunt

1632
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 5: team and working everything from like the range of motion,

1633
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 5: the flexibility to explosiveness, fight choreography, martial arts.

1634
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean it was.

1635
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:40,280
Speaker 5: It was as much of a of a martial arts

1636
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:41,559
Speaker 5: boot camp as you could get.

1637
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:46,760
Speaker 1: And I often just kind of come home and collapse.

1638
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,599
Speaker 5: On the bed and like literally sleep at like eight

1639
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,360
Speaker 5: pm because I was so tired. I literally had no

1640
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:55,519
Speaker 5: energy to even like eat dinner. I mean, that's the

1641
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 5: that's I think, what it what it takes, you know. Yeah,

1642
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:02,400
Speaker 5: we had so many action sequences and we had a

1643
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 5: very very high bar for what those sequences we're gonna

1644
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:06,519
Speaker 5: be and what they're going to do for our movies.

1645
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:09,800
Speaker 1: So you know, I wanted to do as much as

1646
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: I possibly could.

1647
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:12,880
Speaker 5: I knew that that would benefit the movie if we

1648
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,320
Speaker 5: didn't constantly cut away to stunt people.

1649
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,559
Speaker 1: So wherever I could, I asked to do the shots.

1650
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 5: I asked to put in the work because you know,

1651
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 5: you don't get an opportunity like this every day, and

1652
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,200
Speaker 5: I just I just wanted to embrace it as much

1653
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 5: as I could.

1654
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 2: There's so many fun set pieces in the film, whether

1655
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 2: it's the bus fight and fighting the outside of the building.

1656
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 2: Do you have a personal favorite it, you know, whether

1657
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,120
Speaker 2: it's a fight scene, an action scene, or just a

1658
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 2: quieter moment that that you just find yourself thinking about

1659
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:43,120
Speaker 2: and returning to.

1660
01:28:43,439 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, I personally actually really love the fight between Shang

1661
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 5: Chi and his dad.

1662
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:53,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, just that whole journey.

1663
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 5: And it's not the most intricately choreograph like, it doesn't

1664
01:28:58,120 --> 01:28:59,760
Speaker 5: take place on the side of a building or a

1665
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 5: bus us, but it is so emotionally raw and I

1666
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 5: and I remember, you know, being there with with Tony

1667
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 5: Lung and in that moment and and going through that

1668
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 5: scene and feeling just the very real emotions that were

1669
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 5: that I think we were both feeling.

1670
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 1: You know.

1671
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 5: I think when I watch it back, I still get

1672
01:29:20,439 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 5: chills because it is so much more than than a fight,

1673
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 5: you know, and sure by the numbers as a fight,

1674
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:29,560
Speaker 5: it's it's relatively straightforward.

1675
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,719
Speaker 1: One guy's got a stick, one guy's got two rings.

1676
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:38,000
Speaker 5: But but there's just you know, there's just a world

1677
01:29:38,120 --> 01:29:41,800
Speaker 5: of like trauma and grief and anger and just being

1678
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 5: hurled at each other. This father and son that are

1679
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:48,560
Speaker 5: just so desperate to connect and and so desperate to

1680
01:29:48,640 --> 01:29:50,600
Speaker 5: love again. It's it's really you know, I think I

1681
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 5: find it really sad and heartbreaking but up but also

1682
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:56,280
Speaker 5: just like so human and and so watchable.

1683
01:29:57,560 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 2: Spoiler Shong is now in possession of the ten Rings

1684
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: at the end of the film, Can you tell us

1685
01:30:05,320 --> 01:30:07,559
Speaker 2: a little bit about like what they do or where

1686
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,559
Speaker 2: they come from? And if you can't, do you know,

1687
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 2: do you know like the origins of these mysterious and

1688
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:15,240
Speaker 2: powerful items?

1689
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 3: No, what.

1690
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:20,200
Speaker 1: My journey.

1691
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 5: My journey is exactly the same as my characters, which is, oh,

1692
01:30:24,240 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 5: there are those giant ass rings that my dad's been

1693
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 5: wielding around for the last however long.

1694
01:30:30,640 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: Oh shoot, now they're on my arm. Well, I don't know.

1695
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:36,559
Speaker 5: I guess I'll just I guess I'll just carry these

1696
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 5: around until someone tells me what they're doing or what

1697
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,759
Speaker 5: they're what they were. You know, I honestly have no idea,

1698
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:44,840
Speaker 5: But I do know that that you know, Kevin and

1699
01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 5: the rest of the folks at Marble do, and they will,

1700
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 5: they will craft a very very incredible story around it

1701
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,840
Speaker 5: when the when the time is right, which may or

1702
01:30:57,840 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 5: may not involve me.

1703
01:30:58,760 --> 01:30:59,639
Speaker 1: I have no idea.

1704
01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:02,360
Speaker 2: What's it like to see yourself now as a Funko

1705
01:31:02,479 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 2: pop as an action figure? I also have your action

1706
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 2: figure on it on the shelf behind me. What is it?

1707
01:31:09,640 --> 01:31:11,200
Speaker 2: That must be surreal? What is it like?

1708
01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: Surreal? You described it?

1709
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:17,599
Speaker 5: It definitely throws me for a loop every time I

1710
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 5: see it. I mean, I was a big action figure

1711
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 5: guy when I was when I was little, except we

1712
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 5: couldn't afford to buy any action figures full price, so

1713
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 5: my parents just bought whatever was that yard sales, you know,

1714
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,440
Speaker 5: all over the place. So I had this like mismatched

1715
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 5: group of random action figures from random universes. None of

1716
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 5: them were ever Asian, not a single one, So it's

1717
01:31:45,560 --> 01:31:47,680
Speaker 5: it's pretty cool that we have we.

1718
01:31:47,680 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 1: Have some now not just one, but yeah, many characters.

1719
01:31:52,320 --> 01:31:56,599
Speaker 5: And I just think that represents represents a lot for

1720
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 5: a kid to be able to be able to see

1721
01:31:58,800 --> 01:32:01,800
Speaker 5: themselves and that the heroes that they play with and

1722
01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 5: that they, you know, use their imagination for, and I

1723
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 5: think in a way shows them that anything is possible.

1724
01:32:09,520 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 2: You mentioned just the outpouring of of fan reviews and

1725
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:18,400
Speaker 2: feedback and stuff. Is there and has been anything that

1726
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 2: that particularly touched you in terms of people saying, it's

1727
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:26,280
Speaker 2: incredible to see this see myself represented on any number

1728
01:32:26,320 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 2: of the characters, by any number of the characters that

1729
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:29,200
Speaker 2: I see on screen.

1730
01:32:29,320 --> 01:32:33,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean that's that's definitely very special for

1731
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 5: me to hear. And I've and I've heard it a

1732
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:39,400
Speaker 5: couple of times, you know, I've I've read it in reviews,

1733
01:32:39,560 --> 01:32:41,880
Speaker 5: I've I've had people texted to me, and that's always

1734
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,000
Speaker 5: incredibly touching. What I like, too, is that a lot

1735
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 5: of people will say, I didn't you know, people, people

1736
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:51,360
Speaker 5: maybe outside of the Asian community, will say, I didn't

1737
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:55,439
Speaker 5: go in expecting to like this movie, but I came

1738
01:32:55,479 --> 01:32:57,559
Speaker 5: out of it with a whole you know, I came

1739
01:32:57,600 --> 01:33:00,760
Speaker 5: out loving it. It was one of my favorites, you know,

1740
01:33:00,840 --> 01:33:02,680
Speaker 5: movies in the MCU, and I came out of it

1741
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:05,559
Speaker 5: with a whole new understanding. And it means that it

1742
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:08,799
Speaker 5: means that this movie is more than just about being

1743
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 5: made for Asian people by Asian people, that this movie

1744
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:13,759
Speaker 5: can also be a bridge.

1745
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:14,040
Speaker 2: You know.

1746
01:33:14,080 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 5: It's a bridge between cultures, it's a bridge between languages.

1747
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:22,360
Speaker 5: It's you know, it really is an invitation to everybody

1748
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 5: to come and share in our joys and our sorrows

1749
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 5: and everything in between, you know, and our culture and

1750
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:34,040
Speaker 5: our language and all of the things that make us proud.

1751
01:33:35,880 --> 01:33:38,760
Speaker 1: And yeah, I certainly hope that it continues to do that.

1752
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 2: Uh, if you could just imagine something, I know you

1753
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 2: can't tell us specifically, but where would you what kind

1754
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 2: of like adventures would you like to see Schunk show

1755
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 2: up on next? Like are we going to see him

1756
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 2: punching a variant Fanos in the face with the ten rings?

1757
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,920
Speaker 2: Like what would be a fun will be a fun

1758
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:56,400
Speaker 2: adventure for Stung to go on?

1759
01:33:57,080 --> 01:33:59,040
Speaker 5: I kind of hope, I kind of hope that he

1760
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,880
Speaker 5: does more you know, grounded stuff, you know, Like I

1761
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:07,759
Speaker 5: think the way that the rings of such a massive

1762
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,600
Speaker 5: power set and I and I just hope that it

1763
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 5: doesn't come at the cost of really really cool action

1764
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,960
Speaker 5: sequences because because you know, one of the things that

1765
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 5: really worked with our movie is that, you know, Sean,

1766
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,640
Speaker 5: Sean doesn't really have superpowers.

1767
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's got to fly. He can't just fly

1768
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:24,040
Speaker 1: through the scaffolding.

1769
01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:27,759
Speaker 5: He's got to like climb, and same thing with the bus,

1770
01:34:27,800 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 5: Like he can't just blow the bus in half and

1771
01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,800
Speaker 5: you know, or lift the entire but like he's got

1772
01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:36,000
Speaker 5: to really work within the constraints of the physical universe.

1773
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 1: So I would you know, I hope that that happens

1774
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 1: at least, you know a little bit more.

1775
01:34:40,040 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 2: He's got to go back to being a valet. He's

1776
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,240
Speaker 2: just you know, it's got to apologize for taking time

1777
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:46,640
Speaker 2: off and and go back to parking the cars.

1778
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 1: Exactly like San Francisco.

1779
01:34:49,760 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for taking the time seeming really

1780
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 2: appreciate it, and congratulations on the success of the film.

1781
01:34:55,200 --> 01:34:56,920
Speaker 2: It's been amazing to watch.

1782
01:34:57,040 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 1: Thanks man, really appreciate it. It's great talking.

1783
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,439
Speaker 2: When we're back, Rosie and I will enter the End Game.

1784
01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:10,760
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Endgame, where me and Rosie get to

1785
01:35:10,800 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 2: play a game, sometimes with a guest, this time just

1786
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,799
Speaker 2: with each other. And the game today is Top fives,

1787
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:21,160
Speaker 2: in which we list our top five apocalypses in pop

1788
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:24,800
Speaker 2: culture across the board. We have decided, because we make

1789
01:35:24,840 --> 01:35:28,680
Speaker 2: the rules that dystopian fiction is also allowed, we can

1790
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:33,800
Speaker 2: do dystopius. Yes, it's so, Rosie, would you like to

1791
01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:34,240
Speaker 2: go first?

1792
01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So I have very specific reasons for it.

1793
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 2: So yeah.

1794
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,120
Speaker 3: My first one is Night of the Comet, which is

1795
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:42,400
Speaker 3: a one.

1796
01:35:42,520 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1797
01:35:42,760 --> 01:35:46,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I call the chill apocalypse because it's

1798
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 3: like that one you can just be like in the

1799
01:35:48,560 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 3: mall or like watching a movie and you just like

1800
01:35:51,120 --> 01:35:54,760
Speaker 3: occasionally kill like a slow zombie. I used to work

1801
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 3: in a cinema and I used to definitely like think

1802
01:35:57,560 --> 01:35:59,720
Speaker 3: that I was the main character from that movie. I'll

1803
01:35:59,720 --> 01:36:01,200
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, I'll just come out of the middle

1804
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 3: of the night. If there's an apocalypse, I'll be cool.

1805
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:07,600
Speaker 3: Next is a Kira, just because I mean I just

1806
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 3: want to be cool and live in neo Tokyo. So

1807
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 3: obviously post destruction of Tokyo, very dramatic. People are getting

1808
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 3: mutant powers. There's cool gangs everywhere. Everyone's riding a sick motorcycle.

1809
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 3: I love Akira, so that would definitely be high up

1810
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:22,320
Speaker 3: on my list.

1811
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:26,320
Speaker 2: Tank Girl, oh a tank Girl movies or the comic.

1812
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:28,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with the movie just because it fits

1813
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 3: better because it's like post a Comet. There's like a

1814
01:36:31,200 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 3: drought and a water sore. It's so tech again, just

1815
01:36:34,000 --> 01:36:36,920
Speaker 3: be cool driving around the tank looking cool, having a

1816
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:41,519
Speaker 3: cool lesbian friend, like living life. Next up is my

1817
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 3: comics one, which is Age of Apocalypse. I don't think

1818
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:47,360
Speaker 3: it would be like particularly enjoyable to be there, but

1819
01:36:47,479 --> 01:36:51,120
Speaker 3: like it's very epic. Yeah, it's a lot of like Shenanigans. Yeah,

1820
01:36:51,160 --> 01:36:55,160
Speaker 3: there are a lot of so like legions killed Charles

1821
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,280
Speaker 3: Xavier instead of Magneto, and that means Apocalypse comes earlier

1822
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:00,879
Speaker 3: and things are going bad, mutants are running right. Hopefully

1823
01:37:00,920 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 3: I would be a mutant in that world, I guess

1824
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 3: if I get to pick, because otherwise humans are getting killed.

1825
01:37:05,200 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 3: But just like cool, I mune Uprising stuff and my

1826
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 3: last one, which is definitely more dystopian, but we agree

1827
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 3: that works. Escape from New York that's the Yeah, maybe

1828
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,639
Speaker 3: Escape from LAF. I want to do like some surfing,

1829
01:37:17,720 --> 01:37:18,839
Speaker 3: but I'm bad at surfing.

1830
01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 2: So dope, that's my Donald hung out with Kurt.

1831
01:37:25,320 --> 01:37:28,000
Speaker 3: Russell, have the sunglasses.

1832
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 2: Here's here's Donald pleasance in Halloween. Now now, okay, those

1833
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 2: are all great, So I'm gonna say my number first

1834
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:46,519
Speaker 2: one is Twenty eight Days Later, the movie which kind

1835
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 2: of revitalized the zombie genre, you know, along with Max

1836
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:56,920
Speaker 2: Brooks's uh it was the name of the books, along

1837
01:37:56,960 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: with Max Brooks's World war Z, and introduced as zombies

1838
01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 2: into the pop cultural cannon. That movie, so it was produced,

1839
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:08,400
Speaker 2: It was filmed before nine to eleven, but came out,

1840
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 2: like I want to say, a month later, right around there,

1841
01:38:12,360 --> 01:38:16,519
Speaker 2: and it seemed so of a time of that time.

1842
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:18,799
Speaker 2: And I remember seeing in the theater and just being

1843
01:38:19,240 --> 01:38:21,760
Speaker 2: like horrified and blown away and also just like ge

1844
01:38:21,840 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 2: chanted by, like the low fineness of it, like the

1845
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 2: kind of gorilla filmmaking London, completely like abandoned. They filmed

1846
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,280
Speaker 2: it at like six am on Sundays when there was

1847
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,559
Speaker 2: the least amount of people that could be around, and

1848
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,759
Speaker 2: it just looks incredible. Next, I'm Gonna go Time runs

1849
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 2: out of the Jonathan Hickman storyline that ran in New

1850
01:38:43,560 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 2: Avengers and Avengers and is about a version of which

1851
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll see in the MCU, which is about

1852
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:57,920
Speaker 2: various multiversal realities crashing into the main Earth reality and

1853
01:38:58,080 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 2: the kind of moral lines the heroes have to cross

1854
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:04,360
Speaker 2: in order to deal with this threat. Next, Children of Men,

1855
01:39:05,080 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 2: which is like a prophetic movie, like if you watching

1856
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:12,040
Speaker 2: it at the time, it's one of those very rare feelings,

1857
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 2: you know. It was a Christmas movie. Weirdly enough, I

1858
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 2: remember seeing it and thinking, this feels like the world

1859
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:23,200
Speaker 2: in ten, fifteen and or twenty years, and lo and

1860
01:39:23,240 --> 01:39:27,439
Speaker 2: behold it happened. Days of Future passed the comic arc.

1861
01:39:27,560 --> 01:39:30,200
Speaker 2: It's crazy you mentioned earlier in the podcast, like these

1862
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:33,519
Speaker 2: little two and three mini arcs, that was like the

1863
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 2: norm back then when it was harder to keep track

1864
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,240
Speaker 2: of comics, and it was it was just harder for

1865
01:39:38,320 --> 01:39:41,240
Speaker 2: people to like keep up with them and know what

1866
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 2: was going on, so you couldn't really stretch a story

1867
01:39:44,120 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 2: out over ten twelve issues, you know, not until like

1868
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:51,600
Speaker 2: Secret Wars and stuff. But the two so it's X

1869
01:39:51,680 --> 01:39:58,520
Speaker 2: Men one forty one and one forty two, and it's

1870
01:39:58,600 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 2: just is the cover of one, which is like old

1871
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:08,160
Speaker 2: Wolverine and Kitty Pride Kate Pride standing in front of

1872
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 2: a wanted poster of all the X Men, and it

1873
01:40:12,200 --> 01:40:15,599
Speaker 2: just says like slain over there over their faces is

1874
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,880
Speaker 2: just It's one of the most referenced and iconic covers

1875
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:23,520
Speaker 2: in comics history. I love it. And then finally Armageddon,

1876
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:27,040
Speaker 2: which I think is the most entertaining right wing movie

1877
01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 2: ever made. It is about, for those of you don't know,

1878
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 2: is about a massive comment that's gonna hit Earth and

1879
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,960
Speaker 2: the conceit is. Yes we have NASA, Yes we have

1880
01:40:39,200 --> 01:40:43,799
Speaker 2: like astronauts, Yes we have like our massive military machine.

1881
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 2: But the only people who can deal with this are

1882
01:40:47,439 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 2: the oil workers, oil company workers. And what do they

1883
01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 2: want in order to deal with this? They want to

1884
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:58,080
Speaker 2: never pay taxes again, that's what they want, So that

1885
01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:00,960
Speaker 2: is the movie. Also, it opens with iconic scene of

1886
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:04,240
Speaker 2: like Bruce Willis like hitting golf balls at a green

1887
01:41:04,280 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 2: peace boat. Again, the politics of this movie are horrific,

1888
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:13,160
Speaker 2: but I enjoy watching it. What are your top five

1889
01:41:13,360 --> 01:41:19,040
Speaker 2: apocalypse movies about dystopian fiction. I almost did Mad Max,

1890
01:41:19,080 --> 01:41:22,000
Speaker 2: but it seemed like that apocalypse was too far in

1891
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:25,360
Speaker 2: the past, like that was it had already happened, maybe

1892
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:26,559
Speaker 2: one hundred years ago or something.

1893
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 1: Like that.

1894
01:41:26,840 --> 01:41:29,439
Speaker 2: So I these are our top fives? What are your

1895
01:41:29,479 --> 01:41:33,719
Speaker 2: top fives? Get at us, tweeted us, post at us,

1896
01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:38,599
Speaker 2: let us know what your top five apocalypses are. Well,

1897
01:41:38,640 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 2: that's it for our show today on behalf of Rosie

1898
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 2: and myself. Thank you for listening. Please tune in again

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01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:47,080
Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcast. X ray Vision is a

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01:41:47,080 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 2: Crooked Media production. The show is produced by Chris Lord

1901
01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 2: and Saul Rubin. The show is executive produced by me

1902
01:41:52,720 --> 01:41:55,800
Speaker 2: and Sandy Gerard. Caroline Reston and Carlton Gillespie are are

1903
01:41:55,840 --> 01:41:58,519
Speaker 2: consulting producers, and our editing and sound design is by

1904
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:01,880
Speaker 2: David Grinbaum foks. At chapter four, thank you to Brian

1905
01:42:01,960 --> 01:42:04,360
Speaker 2: Vasquez for our theme music. See you next time.