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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly,

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Speaker 3: you are you. You are here. That makes this the

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Speaker 3: stuff they don't want you to know. It is the

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Speaker 3: top of the week if you are hearing this the

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Speaker 3: evening it publishes. Let us welcome you to November eighteenth,

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Speaker 3: and good luck on the upcoming Thanksgiving celebration fellow Americans.

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Speaker 2: By fellow Americans, you will eave turkey until you fall asleep.

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Speaker 4: I don't like turkey though, Dad, President, Dad, We'll take

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Speaker 4: your trip to fans straight.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 4: Speaking of that, you know, the whole trip to fan

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Speaker 4: thing has, you know, largely been debunked in terms of

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Speaker 4: what makes you sleepy. I actually went a cooking video

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Speaker 4: recently where an internet chef named chef Jack pointed out

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Speaker 4: that it's likely people eating raw flour in their gravy

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Speaker 4: because it has not been cooked long enough. People to

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Speaker 4: sprinkle it in and don't give it time, and that

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Speaker 3: So consider this our holiday PSA for both gravy and

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Speaker 3: any sort of roue you choose. Please cook correctly, follow

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Speaker 3: the directions, and stay safe, especially around your crazy uncles.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna leave that there. We got so much to

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Speaker 3: get to one thing we're talking about. I think we're

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Speaker 3: all excited off air about this. Forty three monkeys staged

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Speaker 3: a jail break of sorts. It's gonna call it a coup.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's accurate. You got you nailed it then,

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Speaker 3: thanks man. They escape from a South Carolina research facility.

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Speaker 3: By this point you have heard about this multiple times.

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Speaker 3: Some but not all, of the monkeys have been apprehended

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Speaker 3: as we record this evening.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's that kind of a continuation of

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Speaker 4: this whole like animals revolting against the humans kind of storyline,

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Speaker 4: that are used for experimentation for like you know, cosmetics

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Speaker 4: testing and things like that. I don't know exactly what

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Speaker 5: What was the name of the lab?

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Speaker 3: Oh, Alpha Genesis, thank you.

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Speaker 4: It just sounds like a cartoon evil corporation.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully the ones that got away are on their way

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so in my mind, it's a weird gray

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Speaker 2: area because Alpha Genesis, at least according to their website,

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Speaker 2: they are the providers of primates for testing. So really,

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Speaker 2: at that facility, perhaps they're just raising these primates as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my understanding is a lot of that is health testing, right,

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Speaker 3: So it's not the invasive surgical procedures nor vaccine development specifically,

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Speaker 3: but Alpha Genesis, folks, somebody there accidentally left the door

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Speaker 3: They haven't apprehended. This is not a Planet of the

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Speaker 3: the loose. Now we're going to give you strange news

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Speaker 3: while the humans are still running the figurative roost. Oh,

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Speaker 3: into some zoonotic conversations. We'll have a bunch of updates

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Speaker 3: on the way before we do any of that. You guys,

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Speaker 3: did you did you hear Russia's recent statement?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait to hear it. We're going to open cold,

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Speaker 3: and we have returned fellow conspiracy realists in the US

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Speaker 3: And a lot of people are happy, a lot of

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Speaker 3: has ever been a divisive place. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: We talk a lot about this off air, and we

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys heard, but recently presidential

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Speaker 3: aid for the Russian government Nikolai Patrushev recently had a

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Speaker 3: you guys reactions from the jump. Our buddy, Nikola said quote.

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Speaker 3: To achieve success in the election, Donald Trump relied on

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Speaker 4: He'd be a shame of something happened to that nice

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Speaker 5: That is sinister. But are your friends?

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Speaker 4: I mean, gosh, you know, it just sounds like something

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Speaker 4: a gangster might say in terms of like it's time

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Speaker 2: What do you think it could possibly be in regards

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Speaker 4: Also way to throw the guy under the bus. You know,

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Speaker 4: Nikola doesn't. It's not very covert. It's an odd thing

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Speaker 3: And to answer that first question regarding what could have

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Speaker 3: Is it asymmetrical disinformation operations? That's clear, that's proven, that's

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Speaker 3: a definite. Is the implication then, because definitely an implication

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Speaker 3: What is it that you are expected to do, notably

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's very strong army.

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Speaker 4: And again it doesn't appear to be the most tactful

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, it seems like running the operation there

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Speaker 3: And it turns out that is absolutely true. Those videos

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Speaker 3: That's pretty much evening news time. It feels like this

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Speaker 3: This doesn't look good. This is not a political point

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Speaker 3: And you guys, it reminds me about the old discussion

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Speaker 5: It's meant to be full of what compraman kind of material.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, yes, and we were also fed differing information

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Speaker 3: But it is.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just speaking of disinformation. It does call

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Speaker 3: Nikolai Patrushev, Yeah, it's true that there is there's a

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Speaker 3: for the Steele dossier for anybody who kind of has

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Speaker 3: research report that emerged during the twenty sixteen presidential election,

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Speaker 3: and it was compiled by a guy named Christopher Steele,

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Speaker 3: who's a pretty legit counterintelligence specialist. It's not super long.

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Speaker 3: It's thirty five pages, which is pretty short, and it

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Speaker 3: has these allegations of smoky backroom cooperation between the Russian

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Speaker 3: his nascent administration at some point, and the implication to

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Speaker 3: your point about compromatinal, it's heavily alluded to that Russian

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Speaker 3: Nothing really came of this, and to Matt's earlier point,

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Speaker 2: That football guy, you want that football guy to be

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And these types of accusations have been flying around

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Speaker 2: Definitely happening with regards to those specific photos that were

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Speaker 2: think about the other stuff we've captured of her, like

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Speaker 2: over time, maybe as part of this type of thing.

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Speaker 3: Right the shot across about theory, It's possible. You can

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Speaker 3: read an excellent article on Snopes that summarizes a lot

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Speaker 3: of this. Milania Trump is a model. It is also

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Speaker 3: or was a model. It is also quite possible that

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Speaker 3: the state run media just decided to go with this

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Speaker 4: Given like Trump's kind of position as this sort of

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Speaker 4: strong man figure who won't be f't with. Does this

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Speaker 4: one doesn't come, doesn't that make this even more plausible that.

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Speaker 3: We have talked in the past about collapsing birth rates.

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Speaker 4: And dude, pitch, that's still a pitch, thankfully, still a pitch, thankfully,

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Speaker 5: And we have returned with some more strange news.

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Speaker 4: Guys, Are you both stoked as I am about the

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Speaker 2: Arianna's in it, right, sure is.

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Speaker 3: I think it's weird that they made Ariana Grande. I

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Speaker 4: Of course, when you have a big blockbuster like this,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, brats they should do, But where's the where's the

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Speaker 4: Mattel apologizes for printing a porn site on its doll packaging.

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Speaker 3: Well, hold on before we get angry which site specifically.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you were a if you're coming of

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Speaker 4: in terms of like names that maybe crossed over, you know,

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Speaker 4: things like parodies, porn parodies. One hundred percent. That is

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Speaker 4: So they all went out with Wicked dot com on

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Speaker 3: up as many of these Wicked dolls with that misprint

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00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 3: as you can, because those will depend on how the

436
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: film does. Those are going to be pretty choice.

437
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 5: Already, are my friend.

438
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 4: They are going on eBay misprinted versions because they were

439
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 4: quickly recalled, not just apologize for which Mattel definitely did,

440
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 4: but they were pulled from shelves, so you are seeing

441
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 4: already these these much more collectible collector's items known for

442
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 4: hundreds of dollars on the internet. A statement from Mittel

443
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 4: said Mattel was made aware of a misprint on the

444
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 4: packaging of the Mattel Wicked collection dolls, primarily sold in

445
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 4: the US, intended to direct consumers to the official Wicked

446
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 4: moovie dot com landing page. We deeply regret this unfortunate

447
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,640
Speaker 4: error and are taking immediate action to remedy. It confirms

448
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:41,479
Speaker 4: that the listed website is not appropriate for children and

449
00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: lasting for me, Lest you worry, the sent kids directly

450
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 4: to a pornographic image. The landing page is again in

451
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 4: classic old school oji porn website tradition does ask you

452
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 4: to confirm your date of birth and so good, and

453
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 4: promise that you're eighteen or older.

454
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 3: So step, no harm.

455
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 5: No foul.

456
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 4: Surely no kid caught a glimpse of something they shouldn't

457
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,239
Speaker 4: have seen. But I don't know, man, Matt, I know

458
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 4: you've got thoughts about this one.

459
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 3: Oh.

460
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 2: I just want to point out this is the company

461
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,240
Speaker 2: that Stormy Daniels was a major part of time, which

462
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 2: is interesting just to connect things back up in this episode.

463
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: And also it's weird to me that they did so

464
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: many parody movies, like you were talking about, many of

465
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 2: them direct ripoffs of Disney IP like Cinderella.

466
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 5: Did you find, Matt, did you find some of the names?

467
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, one of them was snow White triple X

468
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: an axle bron parody or Cinderella triple X an axle

469
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 2: bron parody and.

470
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 5: A burst of creativity. As Ben would say, they could

471
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 5: do better.

472
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 2: Come on, dude, Well they also had Batman versus Superman,

473
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 2: a triple.

474
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 3: X p I don't think this was I don't think

475
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 3: this was wicked, but I loved I loved the puns.

476
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 3: It's a wonderful life. Cool.

477
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 2: The other one glorious.

478
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: They right themselves.

479
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: You know, a Tale of Twos could have just gone

480
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: with glorious Holes. I think it's much more interesting than Look,

481
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: we know production can get crazy, and you're it's stressful

482
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 3: to make any kind of entertainment. I want to give

483
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 3: accolades to people who make the good porn pun titles

484
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 3: instead of just adding triple X at the end. You

485
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 3: know what I mean?

486
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 5: You know, the Olden Days, return to the Glory whole days.

487
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, everybody.

488
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: You can kind of hear the plot as well, Romancing

489
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: the Bone, the.

490
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Operation, Desert Stormy, thank you, yes.

491
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 5: For thank you.

492
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 4: Gosh, you guys are on fire with these, and I

493
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 4: know some of these are real, and I think some

494
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 4: of these you might be.

495
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 5: Making up, but they're all equally fantastic.

496
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, you know, to the point I

497
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 4: was making earlier, definitely, heads.

498
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 5: Are going to roll.

499
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 4: It's unclear who was responsible directly for this, but we

500
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 4: do have multiple eBay sellers listing these toys for as

501
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 4: much as five hundred dollars, some advertising them as rare

502
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: URL error misprints in the culture, the small you know,

503
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 4: the niche kind of culture collectibles and you know, any

504
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 4: kind of misprint.

505
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: Is a big deal.

506
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,719
Speaker 4: Is a big get, especially one as embarrassing is this

507
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 4: for a company as storied and legacy as Mattel.

508
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 5: You know, I mean they invented Barbie for Christ's sake.

509
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

510
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 3: I wonder how wicked the adult entertainment company is going

511
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 3: to handle that in court. But we'll have to Well,

512
00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 3: they've done nothing wrong, No they haven't, they haven't. If anything,

513
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 3: they should just write a nice thank you note.

514
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 4: I know exactly, and just just to just to confirm

515
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 4: on then there's a New York Post article that has

516
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: some nice screenshots and it's funny too, Like obviously people

517
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: saw this web address on the packaging in very small

518
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 4: print of a toy and followed up with it.

519
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 5: I just it is.

520
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: If anything, it's a it's a it's a win for

521
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 4: marketing because they know that people are going to going

522
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: to those websites.

523
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 3: Speak about the attrition rate too, you know, even like

524
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: on a box of cereal where it says, hey, if

525
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: you want this special deal, you can write to this place. Right,

526
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: the modern people do it. Yeah, Lord of the strings,

527
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: thank you, thank you.

528
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 5: So let's put a pin in that one.

529
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 4: I guess because I would be interested to see if

530
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 4: there's any further fallout, you know, if Gosh forbid, this

531
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 4: did lead to actionable you know, or witnessed moments of

532
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 4: children viewing pornographic material young you know what I mean?

533
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 4: That's I hope not, but that is an absolutely I

534
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: wonder if there's a class action lawsuit potential.

535
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, possible, You're not You're not wrong there and only

536
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: could that's always in the cards.

537
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 4: Uh.

538
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: We Also, I guess we should take a moment and say,

539
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 3: without knowing the details, this does seem like an honest mistake.

540
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't seem like someone working in the vast panopoly

541
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 3: of marketing and merchables for this set the Revenge a

542
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: Ron Jeremy or anything like that.

543
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 5: Surely we own Wicked dot com? Right, have you heard

544
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 5: of Wicked?

545
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 3: Come on, and now they're legally boned.

546
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: Oh boy. All of that makes me think of the cover,

547
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: the original cover of The Little Mermaid.

548
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 4: Remember that with the with the with the sexual device

549
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 4: featured the penises. It was it was like a dildo

550
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 4: kind of like, I mean, that's what And also we've

551
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 4: talked about the little hidden dubbed moment and Aladdin. Good

552
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 4: teenagers take off their clothes. I think they fixed it.

553
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 4: But boy oh boy, when I was young, we played

554
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 4: that part back over and over again and it was

555
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 4: definitely there.

556
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 5: And that's not a Mendela effects.

557
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, surprise cartoonist can sometimes be weird and horny.

558
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 5: Well that that, But that does beg the question like

559
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 5: was this a simple mistake.

560
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 4: Or was this a disgruntle copywriter who pushed something through

561
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 4: to make this, to make an embarrassing thing.

562
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: I feel like mistake.

563
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 4: I think so too, because again, surely we own Wicked

564
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 4: dot com.

565
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 3: You know, no offense to anybody in the crowd, but

566
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: you have to have a certain level of enthusiasm or

567
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: a certain age upon you to even be aware of

568
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: Wicked the adult entertainment site.

569
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, like Empire, it is something that

570
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 4: I was aware of because I just of a certain age.

571
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: It was inescapable. There was a time.

572
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 4: Where it was like the only game in town that

573
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: was like bordering on mainstream, you know what I mean,

574
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: Like it really was.

575
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: Like to that. Jamison made appearances in talk shops, main Strub,

576
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 3: mainstream stuff, main Shrub. Also drill Bill.

577
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna keep doing I want you to I'm

578
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 4: so grateful to you guys.

579
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 5: As I was coming up, I was dropping, I was

580
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 5: shooting blanks.

581
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: No, and that one does Bill have the drill or

582
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: is bill drill bill being drilled?

583
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 3: That's an excellent question because you see, it's a two

584
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 3: part cinematic experience. There's one one that's a drill bill.

585
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: After dark they did, there was a third kild bill.

586
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 4: They gotta they gotta follow the rules, has gotta follow

587
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: suit of the actual thing that they're.

588
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: Par I'm sure there's some guide San Fernando Valley who

589
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: was just up to his gills on his favorite vice

590
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 3: of choice and say no for the artistic integrity we

591
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: can only have doo. I hate you guys. I'm calling

592
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: Quintin now.

593
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know Quintin is a bit of a

594
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: foot that she guy.

595
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 5: Maybe he was involved.

596
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, unrelated to anything. I just learned.

597
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: There is apparently a site called wiki feet, So thank you, Slash.

598
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 3: I'm still angry at you. To our pals Jack and

599
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: Miles over at Daily Zeitgeist, who taught me that wiki

600
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 3: feet is a thing just like it sounds like at

601
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 3: Miles in particular is mad that Jesus Christ does not

602
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 3: have a Wiki feet entry.

603
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 4: I don't think we have any actual photos of Jesus

604
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: Christ's feet. We just have very graphic descriptions being washed,

605
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 4: end of him washing others feet.

606
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 5: The Bible full of the original feet picks. Jeez, guys,

607
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 5: I didn't expect us to go.

608
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 4: Quite as long on this little nugget of a topic,

609
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 4: but it really did kind of encompassed more than I expected,

610
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 4: So thank you for that. But I will just mention

611
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 4: something that I think might be worth a larger exploration.

612
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 4: We've certainly talked about the Church of Satan founded by

613
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 4: Anton Lavy, and it's sort of I believe been correct

614
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: me if I'm wrong, evolution into the Temple of Satan,

615
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 4: or are they completely unconnected? I could have sworn there

616
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 4: was a connection. Either way, they are related in terms

617
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: of their belief structure, the Temple of Satan being an

618
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 4: organization that where members use imagery of the devil and

619
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 4: of you know, Satanic rituals, black magic rituals, candles and

620
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 4: you know, sacrificial knives, wearing robes and pentagrams and all

621
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 4: of that kind of stuff as a way to express

622
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 4: a very very strong sense of personal freedom. A very

623
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 4: strong sense of what is it do what thou wiltst

624
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 4: maybe the whole of the law, you know, Shelby, Yeah,

625
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: that is an original Anton LaVey kind of sentiment. And again,

626
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 4: forgive me if I'm getting the evolution of the Temple

627
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 4: of Satan incorrect, but they very much share that.

628
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 5: Same mentality, and in Chile apparently, and this is.

629
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 4: I guess the most interesting hook, because we've certainly talked

630
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 4: about the Temple of Satan and the Church of Satan before.

631
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 4: They get a lot of bad rap, the idea of

632
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 4: Satanic panic stuff, that they're devil worshippers, they're doing black magic,

633
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 4: but all of that stuff is just for show and

634
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 4: kind of for a pomp and circumstance to create a

635
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 4: maybe I've always thought of it as sort of like

636
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 4: a protest religion or a protest kind of ideology against

637
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 4: organized religion.

638
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 3: And to the question I believe you were asking there

639
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 3: at the top of this, the Church of Satan is

640
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: separate from the Temple of Satan or the Satanic Temple,

641
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 3: I sue.

642
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 4: But either way you could argue that it is a

643
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 4: splinter of that ideology that Anton Leavey established, you know,

644
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 4: back in the early days of the Church of Satan,

645
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 4: which I believe was the had to have been the sixties, right,

646
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: nineteen sixty six. B there you go, hey, sixty six six.

647
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 4: But the thing that interested me about this whole idea

648
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 4: of the Satanic Temple taking also, by the way, Satanic Temple,

649
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: if I'm not mistaken, has been making headlines in the past,

650
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 4: you know, decade or so here in the States, from

651
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 4: doing some very public acts of protests, like I think

652
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,280
Speaker 4: they built a Baha Met sculpture like near a school

653
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 4: or something. There was a big to do made of

654
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 4: this Bahamet sculpture they built on public property. I believe

655
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: that was funded by the Temple, the Satanic Temple. And

656
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 4: there was some other you know, kind of pr moves

657
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Speaker 4: that they did that caused almost this resurgent panic against

658
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: you know, Satanism or whatever here in the United States.

659
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Speaker 4: In Chile, however, eighteen million citizens eighteen million people identify

660
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: as Catholic, and in this country, the Satanic Temple is

661
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 4: now getting so much interest, so many people jumping ship

662
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 4: from Catholicism and other religions, that they are asking the

663
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Speaker 4: government to recognize them as a legally religious organization. Association

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Speaker 4: with all of the appropriate you know, tax benefits and

665
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 4: such that go along with that. There's a really great

666
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 4: piece in the ap by Nayara Botschki, and I'll just

667
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 4: read a quick moment from this and then we can

668
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Speaker 4: move on. Scholars, she says, believe and residents consulted by

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Speaker 4: the Associated Pressed note that Chile, where a long lasting

670
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 4: tradition of Catholicism has played a leading role in public discussions,

671
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 4: is experiencing a crisis of faith following revelations of multiple

672
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 4: sexual abuse scandals.

673
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 5: Within the Catholic Church over the years. Win for Satan there,

674
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 5: you know, match point.

675
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 4: It is interesting though, considering what we also talked about,

676
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 4: how the Catholic Church has come out with this anime,

677
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 4: you know, mascot that's meant to appeal to like gent alphas.

678
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 5: And and of course it was going to happen.

679
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Speaker 3: Guys.

680
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Speaker 5: I don't know if you heard about this, but.

681
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 4: A lot of horrible AI imagery of that anime character

682
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 4: have flooded the Internet of its participating in sex ax

683
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 4: or her participating acts, really really gross stuff, but all

684
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Speaker 4: pointing to the fact that the Catholic Churches may be

685
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 4: starting to get a little desperate to recruit new you know, devotees.

686
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Speaker 5: So what do you guys think about that?

687
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 2: I just want to point people to the Satanic Temple

688
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 2: dot com, where they have a quote Kid's Quick Reference

689
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: guide that compares the Satanic Temple in the Church of

690
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 2: Satan helpful, healthful resource and in the Chat I am reading,

691
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: we are still going. Just everybody knows in the chat

692
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: we're going hard on, hard on.

693
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Speaker 3: Please can we save them for the end?

694
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: Yes, we will. They're just like they're very distracting and

695
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Speaker 2: good thank you.

696
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Speaker 3: Uh yeah. Having been to Chile, everything you say is correct.

697
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 3: It is predominantly Christian country. We are proponents on this

698
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 3: show of the ideology of the Church of Satan, especially

699
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 3: because it's non theistic in its pursuit, and I think

700
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Speaker 3: you summed it up very well. Excited to see what develops,

701
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: especially again, the thing we always have to put here

702
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 3: is these folks are not saying they worship Satan. It

703
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,880
Speaker 3: is a purposely polemical, provocative hook to get you involved

704
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 3: with their earlier philosophy. So yeah, looking forward to see

705
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: what develops there.

706
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Speaker 5: One hundred percent.

707
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Speaker 4: With that, let's take a quick break here a word

708
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Speaker 4: from our sponsor and then returning with one more segment

709
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Speaker 4: of our weekly Strange News episode.

710
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Speaker 2: And we've returned. Guys, Hey, remember that drug we talked about.

711
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Speaker 2: I think it was September last year. Phenylephrine?

712
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, but that I do with the pH.

713
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: Right, yes, two phs. Oh love word that has two

714
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: pH sections PhD though correct. Correct. It is often referred

715
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: to as PE on packaging for cold medicines that you

716
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: may find in whatever story you go to to buy

717
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: cold medicine. Well, guys, back then, the reason why we

718
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: talked about is because the Food and Drug Administration finally

719
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 2: agreed with almost two decades of research that showed that

720
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Speaker 2: this thing, this drug, phenylephrine or frin, is not effective

721
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Speaker 2: as a nasal decongestant, which is its primary purpose.

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Speaker 5: That's I remember now.

723
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Speaker 3: Oh yes, and you can, for the record, for all

724
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 3: our friends with the FDA, you can advertise loose, vague

725
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: claims for any kind of nutritional supplement that doesn't have

726
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 3: to go through FDA testing. But Matt, I believe in

727
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 3: this case, the problem was that PE was being advertised

728
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: with some sort of measurable medical efficacy that simply wasn't there.

729
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, fully, this isn't over the counter coffin cold

730
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: medicine or additive for coffin cold medicines. That was supposedly

731
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 2: a powerful nasal decongestant, and it was put in place

732
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Speaker 2: early on to replace some of the other dangerous nas

733
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 2: decongestants that we're being used to createthm, phetamines and other things.

734
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Speaker 5: That the big draw. That was the draw.

735
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 4: So what are some popular brand names of this bunk

736
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 4: placebo effect drug that we might all recognize.

737
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 2: Think of any cough medicine that you've ever purchased in

738
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: your life. Thailand All, Fera, flu, sudafed, Robitussin, Nike will.

739
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 3: Advil, the good ones, all the good ones.

740
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Speaker 2: Basically all the ones that you can go reach down

741
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 2: on a shelf and pick up the actual bottle and

742
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: take it to check out. Those are the ones that

743
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: have this.

744
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 4: And that's not to say that the active ingredients and

745
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: thilan all won't make you feel better on other fronts,

746
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 4: but they certainly aren't decongesting your nasal passages.

747
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's not the only ingredient. That's a great point,

748
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: I think correct.

749
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 2: But you can get versions of almost all of those

750
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 2: that are titled like thailan al DM or SUDA fed

751
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 2: DM or some other thing where it's got a different

752
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: substance in there that functions for that nasal decongestent thing.

753
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 2: But in this case, the pe stuff doesn't do anything.

754
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 2: And we're giving you this update because they just announced

755
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: the FDA that is that they are going to seek

756
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: to pull this thing, fenyl efrin, off the market. And

757
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: they did that finally because they concluded that the and

758
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: this is really important, guys, the oral version of penol

759
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 2: efron is ineffective. The oral They concluded that there are

760
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 2: other versions of this, other ways to get the medicine

761
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: into your body, which are at much higher concentrations that

762
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 2: can function as a nasal decongestant, but taking them in

763
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 2: those ways could potentially be more dangerous and would require

764
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Speaker 2: something like you know, a doctor's note, right, a.

765
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: Servation supervision of something.

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00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 5: Yes, is it a matter of bioavailability? You hear that

767
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 5: term thrown around a lot.

768
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Speaker 4: I do wonder like it just doesn't absorb through that method,

769
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 4: through the oral method, But if you shoot it directly

770
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: into like a muscle or whatever, maybe that works better.

771
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 2: I'll give you a direct quote from CBS News. Alexander

772
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 2: Tin wrote this on November seventh, twenty twenty four. If

773
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 2: you want to look it up, it is titled FDA

774
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: to pull common but ineffective cold medicine from the market.

775
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 2: Here's the quote. The latest data shows that only a

776
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: tiny fraction of phenyl effrine is absorbed into the body

777
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: when digested from a pill or syrup containing the substance.

778
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,720
Speaker 2: This is different from other formulations like the inhaled nasal

779
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 2: spray version of the drug, where larger percentages can make

780
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 2: it into the blood stream. This continues just a little bit. Guys,

781
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,879
Speaker 2: less than one percent of the drug is absorbed into

782
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 2: the bloodstream after being swallowed, they estimated.

783
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Speaker 4: So it's not to say, yeah, okay, so it's a

784
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 4: drug itself, isn't bunk, but it's just a method of delivery, right.

785
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, just take three hundred percent more.

786
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you Goike, And for that they say, far

787
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: higher doses like you're suggesting ben could be needed to

788
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 2: achieve a clinically meaningful outcome, which would raise significant questions

789
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: about safety.

790
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the other stuff that's packaged in those pills

791
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: that are being sold, you might, you know, have to

792
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 4: take a fistful of them to even get any and

793
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 4: That's the thing though, right, what if someone was like, oh,

794
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: it's not working, I'll just take more. Tell now it's

795
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: working a little bit. But now they've overdosed on Thailand. Yeah,

796
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 4: overdose toxic levels of a set of benefit.

797
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: Which is not good for you. By the way, we've

798
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 2: learned about a lot of that stuff. The regular drugs

799
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 2: just don't take too much of them.

800
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 4: Can you guys picture that like the bolt like game

801
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 4: of telephone with Big Pharma, where this was decided to

802
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: be a good idea.

803
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: I mean truly they Big Pharma, I would say, does

804
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,239
Speaker 2: not think this is a good idea. Neither does the

805
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 2: Consumer Healthcare Products Association. They said they are disappointed in

806
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 2: the FDA's proposal. Oh no, because they say, quote, PE

807
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:51,720
Speaker 2: should remain an available option for consumers, because Americans deserve

808
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 2: the option to choose the safe and effective over the

809
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 2: counter medicines they prefer and rely on.

810
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: That's so lame, that's like say, that's like saying back

811
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: in the sixteen hundreds. Look, consumers should be able to

812
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 3: dunk someone in water. If they're a witch, that's their choice.

813
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 2: If they think it's a witch, then they've got to

814
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: be able to dunk them in the water. That's their

815
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: chore we.

816
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:19,720
Speaker 3: To say big government. So yeah, it's I mean, clearly

817
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:23,439
Speaker 3: there's a financial incentive at this point. I think that's

818
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 3: the primary conspiracy, right. The good news for anybody wondering

819
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,800
Speaker 3: is that the individuals who are making the most profit

820
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: off of this, in the pharmaceutical industry, if you're worried

821
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 3: about them, let us asquatch your concerns. They're gonna be fine.

822
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: They're not going to go in trouble. Nothing bad is

823
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 3: going to happen to them. They might lose a little

824
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 3: bit of revenue.

825
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and well, and FDA eight has that in mind.

826
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 2: They know, hey, we're taking money out of the pockets

827
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 2: of big pharma left and right here with this move.

828
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 2: So what they've done is they've given everyone until May

829
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 2: seventh of next year, of twenty twenty five to weigh

830
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: in on the pole. That's the public us we get

831
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: to weigh in on this proposal. After that comment period,

832
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: if the FDA decides to revoke this oral fenel efforns

833
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: status as a quote generally recognized as safe and effective

834
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 2: drug over the counter drug makers, all of the ones

835
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: we listed earlier would be forced to stop using the ingredient.

836
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:22,879
Speaker 2: But this window is designed so that they can reformulate

837
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: their drugs, come up with something new, some fancy, something exciting,

838
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: something that may also be just as ineffective.

839
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, kissing cousin right, an analog drag of pe, some

840
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: kind of synthetic, synthetic version that's just different enough to

841
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:42,279
Speaker 3: not fall bold into the same regulation. Also, I'm just

842
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 3: gonna say it. Far be it for me to sound

843
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 3: paranoid or conspiratorial, but in my experience, you guys, typically

844
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 3: when those public statement windows occur, typically a non insignificant

845
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: portion of the public making comments tend to be in

846
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: one way or another. They're hired by someone who is

847
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 3: hired by the larger company to pretend to care about

848
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: a thing.

849
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 2: The money moves, it really does, you know what?

850
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 3: You know?

851
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 2: How else the money moves, Guys, How is that, Matt, Well,

852
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 2: it moves from your pockets into a delivery driver's hand.

853
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 2: This is a very common thing. We got super used

854
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: to it about halfway through twenty twenty. Well, there's another

855
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 2: story in Strange News today that goes directly into your

856
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,240
Speaker 2: delivery fees and the stuff that you pay for that stuff,

857
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: or at least you used to here we go. You

858
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 2: remember a thing called grub hub, guys, Yes, sure, chubhub

859
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 2: some people call it. Does anybody still use that? I

860
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: haven't used Grubhub. I went with one of the other ones,

861
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: suber E.

862
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,839
Speaker 3: It's I think it's regionally in community dependent, so your

863
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 3: mileage may vary often in suburban areas or outside of

864
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 3: inner city areas where you know, we live in a

865
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: metro area. A lot of people end up using grub

866
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 3: hub just because it's more consistent and available. So it's

867
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: sort of like, you know, if you don't usually drink soda,

868
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: you go to a restaurant, they'll have pepsi or coke,

869
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: and you'll just sort of go with whatever they have.

870
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. The only the only reason I use

871
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: the one that I use for like a delivery, a

872
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: food delivery app, is because somebody else was using it

873
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 2: one time and I went, oh, I guess i'll get

874
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: that one too, So you got it.

875
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,520
Speaker 3: Now it's normalized during the sandbox exactly.

876
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 5: Well.

877
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: Grubhub, you guys, was a huge deal during the pandemic,

878
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 2: so huge, and it was valued so high along with

879
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 2: all of those other food delivery apps that were not

880
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: new but all of a sudden, everybody was using them

881
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,719
Speaker 2: pracsionally every day or every other day. It was intense. Well,

882
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 2: they were purchased by a Netherlands based food delivery company

883
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: called just Eat Takeaway for seven point three billion dollars

884
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: US dollars.

885
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 3: Sorry, I got really larry day that they're yes, okay.

886
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 2: Seven point three billion US dollars in June of twenty twenty.

887
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:10,800
Speaker 2: So at the height of pandemic times, this company just

888
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: E Takeaway swooped in and they actually beat out a

889
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 2: couple other people who were vying to buy grub Hub,

890
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 2: and they got it. Man, they got that thing, and

891
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: they were like, dude, We're going to take over the

892
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 2: US markets with this thing. It's going to be gangbusters

893
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: because this is our new normal. Everybody does this all

894
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: the time now. The pandemic world is forever.

895
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and US labor laws are trash, so it's not

896
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: like we have to respect the people working for us.

897
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 5: But here's the same.

898
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 4: I mean, people do use these apps like gangbusters, you know.

899
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 4: I just it would seem that maybe they.

900
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 5: Bet on the wrong horse.

901
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 4: Like I'd love to hear some market share data because

902
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 4: I know people definitely tons of people still you know,

903
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 4: whether it's holdover from pandemics still used free delivery services.

904
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, and I still use it every once

905
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: in a while. But it is a it is functioning

906
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 2: at a very different level than it was when that

907
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 2: company when grub Hub was purchased for seven point three billion,

908
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: because four years later they just have announced that Just

909
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 2: Eat Takeaway is selling grub Hub to another thing that

910
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 2: we've already talked about on the show before, called Wonder

911
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:20,720
Speaker 2: for six hundred and fifty million.

912
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 3: Hey on, now that's those of us who are not

913
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: you know, number surgeons or whatever. That seems like they're

914
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 3: selling it for a little bit less than they bought

915
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 3: it for.

916
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: A little bit less. It's a loss of about six

917
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 2: and a half billion dollars with a.

918
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 3: B US dollars.

919
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 5: Is this at least a tax right off for these

920
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 5: poor SAPs?

921
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: Well better be. According to Just Eat Takeaway, they are

922
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 2: it's gonna help them grow as a company by selling this,

923
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: they're gonna have cash on hand, about six hundred and

924
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars worth of cash because they're going through problems. Guys, wonder,

925
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: do you recall what that is when we talked about it.

926
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 3: No, I want to say food related, cause you know

927
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:10,200
Speaker 3: they bought they bought a food kit service at some point, right.

928
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, like that. But mostly what Wonder is is

929
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:19,000
Speaker 2: one of those kitchens that produces a ton of different

930
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: food out of one kitchen that is all branded with

931
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: different Oh yeah, yes, so so like they I think

932
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 2: they the quote is twenty eight fast casual restaurants mostly

933
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 2: around New York City and New Jersey and it's a

934
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: they call it a wide range of global cuisines. Right,

935
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:42,359
Speaker 2: so this company is now going to have its own

936
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: delivery service basically, which if you can just imagine in

937
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 2: the minds of the people that own Wonder, they just

938
00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 2: dropped six hundred fifty million dollars for their own, like

939
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,439
Speaker 2: I guess catered delivery service thing that they'll also still

940
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 2: use for other stores, but then they can make theirs

941
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: like top of the line.

942
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 3: Check out our episode on ghost kitchens as well. That

943
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 3: was a fun one, I think for all of us.

944
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 3: And look, their model is not necessarily bad, but they're

945
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 3: definitely going to leverage that advantage to get there. You know,

946
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 3: their one kitchen that appears to be eight kitchens a

947
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 3: little bit higher on the search page, A little bit

948
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: closer to what feels reasonable. I'm I'm not mad at it.

949
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 3: I'm not mad at it.

950
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 5: Well, you got a wonder too.

951
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 4: I wonder the bets that were being placed on ghost

952
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 4: kitchens during the pandemic have probably not yielded the dividends

953
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 4: that folks were hoping for because it kind of became

954
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 4: like almost you know, people were like newer to spot them,

955
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 4: and they were like getting wise to it because they

956
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,000
Speaker 4: were typically not the best of quality.

957
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 2: Speaking of quality, past quality, past qualities.

958
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 5: What was it called?

959
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 2: Was that the one the pizza?

960
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 3: Yes?

961
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Sorry, I don't know why my brain did.

962
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,000
Speaker 3: There's great memory.

963
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, guys. One of the major reasons is something

964
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: you touched on just with a comment been earlier. One

965
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 2: of the major reasons just Eats was trying to get

966
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 2: rid of their US food delivery stuff is because of

967
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 2: those new regulations that have come out about how much

968
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: a food delivery service can charge as a fee. Just

969
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: so we're not talking about the cost of the food.

970
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,399
Speaker 2: We're not talking about the whatever tip you leave the driver,

971
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 2: the fee that grub hub or door dash or whoever

972
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 2: can charge just for using their service. New York and

973
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 2: Jersey and a bunch of other places have capped how

974
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 2: much you can actually charge a customer.

975
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: Right because it went wild with surge pricing, and you

976
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: can even see it now even if you're in kind

977
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 3: of a stable financial environment. Go to a restaurant's website

978
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 3: at your local restaurant that you were about to order

979
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: delivery from, and notice that every item is several dollars

980
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 3: lower than if you ordered it through Uber Eats or

981
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 3: grub Hub or door Dash or whatever comes next after that.

982
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: Wow, this is weird stuff, guys. The last thing on

983
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,240
Speaker 2: Wonder because it does feel like this is a pretty

984
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: big power move. And if Wonder is going to expand

985
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: the way I imagine, you know, the owners of it

986
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: wanted to expand, it does feel like one of those

987
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 2: new things that will exist sometime when my son is

988
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 2: a little bit older where he's like, uh, well, I

989
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:24,879
Speaker 2: guess we're gonna order from Wonder tonight, and everybody gets

990
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 2: what they want from one of the fifty nine stores

991
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 2: that they have in them at that time or whatever.

992
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: It's the same driver. Yeah, so there might be utility

993
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 3: to the consumer. That's a really good, great point.

994
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 2: Well, last thing here, guys, the owners of or at

995
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 2: least the part owners of Wonder is. It's this thing

996
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: called VCP Ventures. It's co founded by two guys. The

997
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 2: first one his name is Mark Lore. He is the

998
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: quote Lebron James of e commerce? Oh oh yeah, oh yeah.

999
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: He's the guy who owns Wonder, or at least is

1000
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 2: behind Wonder, and he's behind the Grubha acquisition. The other

1001
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 2: guy that owns VCP Ventures alongside him is a guy

1002
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 2: named Alex Rodriguez. Do you does that sound familiar to y'all?

1003
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 2: Alexez baseball player, baseball, a rod baby, Yeah, yeah, the

1004
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 2: dude from the Yankees. So the little the Lebron James

1005
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 2: of e commerce and a Rod own this thing that

1006
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: will eventually be where all of us eat all the time.

1007
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 3: Correct forward to it, and we're looking forward to it.

1008
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 3: What could go wrong with monopolization? What could go wrong

1009
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 3: with everything rising and converging in a capitalistic version of

1010
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,919
Speaker 3: what Flannery O'Connor warned us about so long ago?

1011
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: Speaking of rising, I think we have a few more

1012
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 2: puns we do we do?

1013
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 3: Uh, let's see r pal Dylan says, every bang, everywhere,

1014
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 3: all at once, to which I reply, what creams may come?

1015
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 4: No?

1016
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no no no.

1017
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 3: Ocean's eleven art inches.

1018
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 4: Yeses, guys, I think we maybe we've crossed the Oh,

1019
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 4: I've just Edward Penis hands.

1020
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 5: You pointed out, that's a real one.

1021
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: That's a real one.

1022
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 5: I've heard of that.

1023
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 4: I don't think it was a Wicked Pictures production though, no,

1024
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 4: apparely we're we're.

1025
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 5: One blue over the cuckoo's nest.

1026
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:23,720
Speaker 3: Oh, I said, one blue over the cuckoo's breast.

1027
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 5: Oh, even better. But it's you know, for for fans

1028
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 5: of classic cinema.

1029
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 3: And then there's one flew over the cuckold's nest would

1030
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 3: be the next logical derivation. Send us your favorite ones, folks.

1031
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1032
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,640
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1033
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:41,640
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1034
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,560
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1035
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,440
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00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:57,360
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00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,280
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1057
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