1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: Paul Mission controlled decands. Most importantly, you are you, You 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't 9 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: want you to know. It is Thursday if you're listening 10 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: to this show, the day it comes out, which means 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: it is time for listener mail and Matt Noel. What 12 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: better way to kick it off, I think than to 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: introduce everyone to the latest iteration of the stuff they 14 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: don't want you to know, drinking game. If you are 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: on Here's where it Gets Crazy or our Facebook group page, uh, 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: you'll you'll know. You'll be well aware that every every 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: few years or so, someone will come up with a 18 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know drinking game. It's 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: usually based on our own idiosyncrasies and speech, uh in 20 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: in tone and things we like to talk about. Uh 21 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: this drinking game. I think I posted it last time. 22 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: We're recording. Uh, it's gonna put some people in the hospital. Okay, 23 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: Like we say a lot of these things pretty often, 24 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: so everybody be safe. But I don't know about you all. 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: Did you guys see that post? Can we go through it? 26 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: You mentioned that, um when we were getting off from 27 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: recording the other day, I think, what is mine veiled? 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Not so veiled? Weed reference? That's one of them. Yeah, 29 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: what happens if you actually hear me hitting the bong 30 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: in the background? Is that was that extra point? I 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 1: think that that counts? Is Uh, you just drink and 32 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: every time you hear the thing right? Yeah? Yeah? So 33 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 1: like in um a dangerous X Files drinking game that 34 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 1: I learned about the hard way is to take a 35 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,399 Speaker 1: drink every time someone unnecessarily says Molder's name. And they 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: say it a lot, you realize when you've got booze 37 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: on the line. But we're introducing that drinking game to 38 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: first thank everybody. I don't know about you all, but 39 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: it always makes my day when one of our fellow 40 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: conspiracy realists takes some time out of their own schedule 41 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: to make these cool memes for us, or to make 42 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: these these cool drinking games. Um, I am hesitant a 43 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: little bit today, guys, because I'm looking at the list 44 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,119 Speaker 1: and I don't want to be responsible for anyone, uh 45 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: go into the e er for an alcohol poisoning situation. 46 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: So I'm going to try to avoid some of my 47 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: typical figures of speech here. But let us let us 48 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: know if you guys have a stuff they don't want 49 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 1: you to know drinking game of your own, and we'll share. 50 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,359 Speaker 1: Are you not going to say what they are? Oh? Sure, Yeah, 51 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: there's quite a list. Let's run through it quickly. Uh. 52 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: The idea is quote. I'm sure I'm not the first, 53 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: but here's my proposal for stuff they don't want you 54 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: to know? Drinking game. This game can be played alone, 55 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: but it is much better with friends. Okay, get a 56 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: bottle of the hard liquor of your choice and shot glass. 57 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,080 Speaker 1: Every time you hear the following you down a shot. Simple. 58 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: So this list calls out some stuff in good fun, 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: I I would argue. So we're we're gonna round Robin 60 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: and we'll just start reading some of these things, the 61 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: ones that apply to the guilty parties. So Ben says, 62 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: Noel matt is away on adventures. You have to take 63 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: a shot nice I do say that every once in 64 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: a while too, so you don't have to take a 65 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: shot of I say. Matt laughs nervously. I kind of 66 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: just did that, actually bleeding into saying that, uh, any 67 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: of the host thing is supply I saw of us 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: start speaking in a funny accent. Bonus shots. If other 69 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: hosts joins in. Ben uses the word unclean to describe 70 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: something genuinely or immoral, it's true. I I make no uh, 71 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: make no apologies for that. That is the perfect word 72 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: to describe some of the darker things that we've encountered 73 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: in the show. Noel sounds confused. Maybe Matt mentions a 74 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: conspiracy rabbit hole he fell down, boy, I do that 75 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: a lot. Uh. The host discuss a bar or restaurant 76 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: they have been to or intend to go to, and 77 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: that that probably is a shout out to our favorite 78 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: local bar. The local, the local, you know, burst of creativity, 79 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: as you would say, no, no shape, I mean it 80 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,200 Speaker 1: is it is the local. There can be no other. 81 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 1: Let's see. The hosts mentioned a conversation they had on 82 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 1: a night out together at likely said uh local wal four, 83 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: and this one follows very closely with that one. The 84 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: hosts particularly Matt mention a conversation they had but they 85 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: can't remember if it was a night out or if 86 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: it was on the air. I've done that in like 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: six of the last episodes. Wow, No, this is good. No, 88 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: sheepishually admits he doesn't take his cyber security seriously. I 89 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: you know, it's the thing about doing these shows. We 90 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: do a lot of them, and I'm sure we've told 91 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: the same story a million times. I would hate, perish 92 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: the thought of hearing the repel like like a super 93 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: cut of like the same story scenario for many of us. 94 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: It would probably makes us all slink away in shame, 95 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: you know. M hmm. But it's part for the course. Man, 96 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 1: That's just that's just that's gonna happen. Yeah. I probably 97 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: should take my cyber security. I will say this. I 98 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: got a notification today that there was an attempt at 99 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:51,919 Speaker 1: logging into my Amazon account and I don't recognize and 100 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: I write in and change the password. So and sorry, 101 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: sorry about that. I just had the wrong log in. No, 102 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you keeping me on my toes. But 103 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 1: if you get a if you get some ship into kevlar, uh, 104 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: just text me, well, we'll take care of it. I'll 105 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: vemo you dude, that sounds a lot like one of 106 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: the fun activities I might mention that I did with 107 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: my son changing passwords. Nice, everybody loves a good password 108 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 1: changing sets. No one mentions doing fun activities with his daughter. Yeah, 109 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,799 Speaker 1: do you do that because we Yeah, we hang. She's cool. Yeah, 110 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 1: she is super cool. You can also hear eating on 111 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: ephemeral and you can hear her odd ridiculous history. So 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: do check it out. Uh and eating if you're listening. 113 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: Thanks for classing up the show. As always. The next one, 114 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: Ben uses the adverb cartoonishly. Yes again, no apologies, It 115 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: just it applies correctly to so many situations. Sure it 116 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: does cartoonishly, so just so. No, no one makes unsubtle 117 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: weed reference. Initially I read that as unusable weed reference. 118 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 1: There's no that's thing. Um, yeah, I don't. I don't 119 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: think I'm trying to be subtle. I think we've we've 120 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: crossed the line. We've crossed the line into the brave 121 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 1: new world of the future, whether it be you know, 122 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: the nature of our parent company or with the nature 123 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: of podcasting in general, where I'm not trying to be 124 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: subtle about anything in that department, So there you go. 125 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: Very nice. It sounds like something I may have learned 126 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: from my wife, which is apparently something I mentioned all 127 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: the time. And uh, the very last one to take 128 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: a shot if any of the hosts mentioned Atlantic traffic. 129 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: We do want to say. You know what we do 130 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: want to say if you were listening you want to 131 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: play this game. You can see the full rules on 132 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. But the stuff we mentioned 133 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: when actually reading the list shouldn't count. And honestly, you 134 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: may want to alternate some of those shots with SIPs 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: of water if our proclivities are correct. But that that 136 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: is just an example of the awesome stuff we have 137 00:07:56,080 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: going on in the conspiracy Realist family, and as I 138 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: have pointed out in the past, often we're all on 139 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: the same page about it. You, specifically, you are the 140 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: most important part of this show. It can't happen without you, 141 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: which is why we are always so excited for our 142 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: weekly listener male segment. We have sifted through emails, we've 143 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: listened to correspondencies over the phone in some cases called 144 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: people back. That's right, the ABYSS will return your call. 145 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: And today we're looking at some ongoing news in the 146 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: land of our northern neighbors. We're looking at some more 147 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: dangers of the metaverse, and where better to start than 148 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: a very strange story, Matt that came to us via voicemail. 149 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: I want to say we pronounced this Pizga National Forest? 150 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: Is that correct? The Pia National Forest in North Carolina. 151 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: For this first message, we're traveling to Burnsville, North Carolina 152 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: with a message from our friend Smitty. Hey, I'm gonna 153 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: call my self Smitty. Um from a town, a very 154 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: small town, North Carolina. And Um, my grandmother was a 155 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: head cook for a corporate retreat called the Kane River 156 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: Fishing Club in North Carolina. Anyway, I was with her 157 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: there for a long time. I was raised by my grandparents, 158 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: and most days, you know, you'd see people. Um, there 159 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: were diplomats, presidents, George w and I believe Jimmy Carter. 160 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: She cooked for them. And it's a very secretive place 161 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: up there where deals get done. But yeah, it's it's 162 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: all the way up it's just a fly fishing retreat. 163 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: But I got to know the game warden that worked 164 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: up there, worked with my grandmother for a long time, 165 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: and he told me a story, and the story was. 166 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: He was going through the wilderness one day checking on 167 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: whatever he does. I don't know what a game warden 168 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: really does up there, but he came across a guy 169 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 1: in a lab coat and I said a lab coat 170 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: and he's like, yeah, lab coat. And they didn't speak English, 171 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: and he was lost in the woods. And then all 172 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: of a sudden he said, take me here and take 173 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: me there. And there was a part of the wilderness 174 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: up there, and Matt's a spense of wilderness that's um 175 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: no one's been to. And apparently he was, you know, 176 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: he dropped him off at a base inside the Pisa 177 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: National Forest in North Carolina. And I was only fifteen 178 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: when he told me this. But from the people I've 179 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: seen there and the people that had come in and out, 180 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 1: but I talked to, I got autographs and different things, 181 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: you know, um eight dinner with him, you know, even 182 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: though I was in the kitchen, I got to eat, 183 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: you know, um, what my grandmother was cooking. But there's uh, 184 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: there's something out there in the Penskan National Forest that 185 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: I think you should I should look into because it's 186 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: vast wildern and the message cuts off there. He called 187 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: Smitty called back several times and finished the story. But 188 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: the forest which no, no, no, no, no no. He 189 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,959 Speaker 1: was safely calling us uh from the side of the road, 190 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: as I confirmed after I called him back. Um. But 191 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: I'll just say at the end of that, he just 192 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: let us know there's something he believes. There's some kind 193 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,599 Speaker 1: of government or quasi government group that operates out of 194 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,679 Speaker 1: the Pisan National Forest and it has something to do 195 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: with that person that was found by the game warden 196 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: that he knew in the area. Can we say first 197 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: two things, two things really quick, Smitty, thank you for calling. Also, 198 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: we heard off air another one of your messages and 199 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: you had the coolest sign off ever. I hope you 200 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: always conclude phone calls by saying Smitty out. Maybe maybe 201 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: we can edit this one to where the last thing 202 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 1: that we hear is smitty out. Yes, yes, the world 203 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: is ours. So there is something cool that I don't 204 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 1: get to say this every time we have someone call 205 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 1: in with a regional mystery. But here we go. Smitty, 206 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: you are correct, sir. Pisca National Forest is home to 207 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 1: a little something called the Pisca Astronomical Research Institute. Yeah. Yeah, 208 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: this reminds me of the National Radio Quiet Zone or 209 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: Zone of Silence. That's a little further north. Uh. The 210 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Astronomical Research Institute is in the National Forest that you 211 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: mentioned in Balsam Grove, North Carolina. That's a lot of 212 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: it's an agglomeration of radio telescopes and optical telescopes and 213 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: it's been around for a while. NASA established something earlier 214 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: there called the Rosmand Satellite Tracking Station in nine two. 215 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 1: So although it sounds really weird to see someone dressed 216 00:13:27,000 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: in a lab coat in the middle of the woods, 217 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: they were probably associated with that. That's what I'm guessing. 218 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: What do you what do you think? I'm just sat 219 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: of there in no forest which is involved in this story. 220 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: I don't know why my mind immediately goes to that, 221 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 1: but um, lab coats are scary too. I suppose well 222 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 1: here that I think you may be on the right track. 223 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 1: In our document that we share for these episodes, you guys, 224 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: I posted a specific road in Burnsville, North Carolina that 225 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 1: Smitty shared with me and this it's a Google Maps link, 226 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: and this road is where that fishing club is, the 227 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 1: Cane River Fishing Club. Um. And it looks like if 228 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: you were to drive from where that is to where 229 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: the Pizga and Astronomical Research Institute is located. You'd be 230 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: driving for about two hours, maybe two and three quarters hours. 231 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: So I have a feeling maybe it's a different thing, um, 232 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: but I don't I don't know how. I don't know, 233 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: you know where that game warden operates or operated at 234 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: the time. Just putting that out there, I think it 235 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: might be something else lab coat wearing forest which is 236 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:45,840 Speaker 1: still in play. Well, this is just the information I 237 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: have from Smitty. I wanted to give you guys just 238 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: a little more background because I think it's so fascinating. 239 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: As Smitty says in that message, he grew up there 240 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: at this place that's titled the Cane River Fishing Club, 241 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: or at least that's how he recalled. Is it his 242 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: grandmother was? This was a chef or the chef there. 243 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: It's very much a private getaway, like a corporate getaway 244 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: kind of thing. That was, according to Smitty, run and 245 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: owned by the Haynes Underwear Corporation, So Haynes, you know, 246 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: we all know Haynes. I think that was the Michael 247 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: Jordan's one. Is that right? Maybe not? I can't remember, um, 248 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: but I Smitty had only nice things to say about 249 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: the company. It's just what he was saying is that, 250 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: you know, they're big corporation. They make large donations to 251 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: political groups right when there are elections and everything, and 252 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: that would make sense why they would have people like 253 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush out to this fishing club. 254 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: Although if you search online for it, you will find 255 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: very little information, very little records of a thing titled 256 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: the quote Caine River Fishing Club. I found one mention 257 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: of it as I was arching around. It is found 258 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: at Appalachian dot org in a small piece called Kane 259 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: River Headwaters that was written in May, and they're just 260 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: a mention of the quote Cane River Fishing Club, and 261 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: it's talking about conservation of the Cane River itself and 262 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: efforts to, you know, to make sure this area it 263 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: remains safe and the waters remain safe for both wildlife, 264 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: you know, the fish that are in there that are 265 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: so sought after, as well as the humans that live 266 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: near there. I guys, I just have to say I 267 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: was excited to share this with you all because it 268 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: felt like one of those weird things that happens when 269 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: you're younger, that you recall and you try and share 270 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: and you may not get all the facts right or 271 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: something like that, but it's got enough intrigue that it 272 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 1: makes me want to search deeper into it. Agreed. And 273 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people have something like that 274 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: that stays with you, you know, and often as time 275 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: goes all humans begin to crystallize those memories and you 276 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 1: start thinking almost like a tableau, like a still photo. Uh, 277 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: maybe a certain smell unlocks the memory for you. That's 278 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: one thing I think might be of interest to you, Submitty, 279 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: for anybody else trying to recover more information about an 280 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: early memory. If you start trying to focus on the 281 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: sensory input that you associate with that time and with 282 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: that moment, you're probably gonna unlock more details than than 283 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,959 Speaker 1: you might have initially. So what were the spells in 284 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: the kitchen in your grandmother's kitchen? Uh? What were the 285 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: textures you were touching? Things like that? No, obviously, you 286 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: know the idea of memory regression is it's not solid science. 287 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: It's easily manipulated through a number of ways. But you 288 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: could take a page from Proost and uh, have your 289 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 1: own sort of remembrance of things past With that in mind, 290 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: Matt like it is totally conceivable for there to be 291 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: numerous hidden government installations in these federally owned lands or 292 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: in park lands. Rather. Yeah, it's I mean, it's very possible. 293 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: Or maybe it's just something different than the game Warden 294 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: thought it was weird when he told that story to Smitty. Um, 295 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: did you guys watch The Watchman reboot on HBO? I 296 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: know you did, Ben, I saw I saw some of it. Yes, yeah, 297 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: I don't remember a ton of the details. There's a 298 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: character and it called the game Warden. I don't want 299 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: to spoil for anybody, but uh, you want to find 300 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: out what a really weird psychedelic game warden does. Watch 301 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: The Watchman reboot. I think a real one is just 302 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,680 Speaker 1: kind of in their purview to oversee, you know, fishing 303 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 1: game and things like that and make sure people's uh 304 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: it's like the sheriff of the of the woods right, yeah, 305 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 1: I think, man. I mean they're responsible for enforcing you know, 306 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: codes and hunting license rules, rules with hunting seasons, the 307 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: rules of the rules of the woods Man. They don't 308 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: mess around for sure. You know, I wasn't gonna bring 309 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 1: this up and and I'll just quickly mention it to 310 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: you guys. Smitty also let us know a story about 311 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: a place, another place where he grew up called the 312 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: New ray In that outspelled any U w R A 313 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: y I n N. It's the New Way. Does it 314 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: have home loud over the you like in New Metal. 315 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: I don't think it was established in eighteen thirty three, 316 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: I want to say. I believe that's what it says 317 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: on the on the sign there out front. Really interesting stuff, 318 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: just a very old in that has a weird past 319 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: that Smitty swears, and many of the people who worked 320 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: there swear that it is haunted, especially on the third floor. 321 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always up for that, Uh, those kind 322 00:19:52,400 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 1: of adventures. Matt. As a matter of fact, you mentioned this. 323 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: I just I was just doing a quick cursory search, 324 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 1: and it looks like the New ray In is unfortunately 325 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: closed for renovations at this time, which in my mind 326 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: means they're having a full scale exorcism. They're cleansing the house. 327 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: That's what's happening. Yeah, maybe that's happening. It is a 328 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: very old building. It's been renovated several times. So anyway, 329 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. That's the story of Smithy thank 330 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: you so much for calling, sir, and we will take 331 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 1: a quick break right here. We'll be back with more 332 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: messages from you. And we're back. And we recently did 333 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: an episode on the metaver the future of the Internet 334 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: Web three point oh all that good stuff. Uh, and 335 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,360 Speaker 1: you know some of the potential problems that could arise 336 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: around a dystopian world where no one wants to go 337 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 1: outside anymore and they just sit an atrophy in there. Uh, 338 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: lazy boys, you know, while they're fed medications and vitamins 339 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: and supplements through some sort of drip feed, all the while, 340 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, hanging out in a virtual world, UM, living 341 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: their best life. Where are they? It's debatable, um, but 342 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: there are some very interesting and serious UM slippery slope 343 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: type situations involving the metaverse that we didn't really cover. 344 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,359 Speaker 1: There's a really great article UM that dives into some 345 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: of these that was sent to us by listener Kyle. 346 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: He writes, Hello, St. D W I T K Team. 347 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 1: I am a student at the University of Nebraska, Omaha 348 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: and recently saw this article and listened to your most 349 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: recent podcasts, one of the metaverse. Uh. It talks about 350 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: the metaverse in regards to terrorism, counter terrorism and violent extremism. 351 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,919 Speaker 1: I thought that you guys would find it interesting, great podcast, 352 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: Keep it up, Kyle. Um. Yeah, he's right, And there 353 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: are parts of this um this. So this is this 354 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: article on The Conversation, which is an academic journal. Um. Well, 355 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: it's sort of like a I don't know, it's it's 356 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: it sort of looks more like a website like Vice 357 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: or something like that, but it does appear to be 358 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: largely populated by articles written by scholars. Um, folks that 359 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: are you know, receiving Graham money. You think tanks in 360 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: the like. Um. So, this particular article is actually written 361 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: by three different people. UM. Sam Hunter's pressure of psychology 362 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 1: at the University of Nebraska. UM. Austin ce doctor which 363 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: is a great last name, who is an assistant professor 364 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,360 Speaker 1: of political science again at the University of Nebraska, And 365 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: Joel s Elson, who was assistant professor of I T 366 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: Innovation at the University of Nebraska. And their powers combine. Uh. 367 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: They point out some really troubling implications for ways that 368 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: the metaverse could be exploited by terrorism. One of the 369 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: most obvious ways, I think it's same apply to social media. 370 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: It's not particularly novel. It's just you know, recruitment. Um. 371 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: They make the point that you know, today someone who 372 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: might be interested in hearing what the oath Keepers are 373 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: up to might read an article by their founder, Stuart 374 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: Rhodes UM, or possibly you know, watch a YouTube video 375 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: of him talking. But the metaverse, of course, takes it 376 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: to the next level and it could you know, actually 377 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: have a very high quality artificial intelligence stand in for roads. 378 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 1: People would be able to essentially interact with with him, 379 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: you know, or like a version of him UM, and 380 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: you know, obviously assemble to watch this person speak, and 381 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: it would be much more potentially direct recruitment and the 382 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: ability to kind of really kind of stir people up 383 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: and with you know, who share this kind of ideology 384 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: in a much more palpable way than just you know, 385 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: spreading literature. And you could reach a lot more people 386 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: that way. Obviously, you can still do that with live 387 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,440 Speaker 1: streams and stuff, but you know, the I actually heard 388 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: an interview with Mark Zuckerberg on some podcasts I remember 389 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: the name, but it is obviously pretty well regarded tech 390 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: podcast because Zuckerberg, I don't think he does a whole 391 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,679 Speaker 1: lot of podcasts, but he was talking about how you know, 392 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,479 Speaker 1: they're developing technology essentially that you know, ideally in the 393 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: future would make these AI avatars indistinguishable from the real 394 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: thing you know, from from a from a real person. 395 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: Um and they can obviously be customized, but like talking 396 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: about down to like the fibers, you know, hair and 397 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: and skin pores and things like that. So you know, 398 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: the future of this stuff would potentially have the ability 399 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: to reach a lot of people in a very direct way. UM. 400 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: Here is the one that I thought was the most interesting. 401 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: I'd love to chat about this, particularly with you guys coordination. 402 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: Think about the augmented reality the way you know, even 403 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: now you can pop on your Oculus rift and and 404 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,960 Speaker 1: go to an address. You can type in an address 405 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: and Google Earth or you know, Google street View will 406 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: take you there and you can like you know, and 407 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: it's not very high figh, it's it's a little you know, 408 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 1: the the images are not like super duper high resolution. Uh. 409 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: And you can't exactly walk around in your old neighborhood 410 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: and interact with stuff, but you can check it out 411 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: and chances are I mean, you know, there might be 412 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: a new paint job on a porch here and there, 413 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: but chances are the permanent UM structures are going to 414 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: be largely the same. Think about how that could be 415 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: used for, like plotting an attack or some sort of 416 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: heist or say an insurrection type events, you know, gaining 417 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: access to places that maybe you wouldn't be able to 418 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: do recon in UM I r L, but you could 419 00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 1: bounce around in a stimulated version of it. And the metaverse. 420 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 1: I thought it's so simple, but it's it's really kind 421 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: of game changing. What do you guys think about that? 422 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: It's an interesting concept because we know that high level 423 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: thinkers and strategists within actual militaries use very similar modeling, 424 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: not necessarily in a virtual world like that, but in 425 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: a model at least that's laid out. Think about the 426 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: I go back to this example all the time. What 427 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: do you think about at the CIA music UM that 428 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: model that they had of the compound where Osama Osama 429 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: bit Lan was allegedly captured. How they built an actual 430 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: model of that from satellite imagery and then they game 431 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: you know, the game planned exits entries, UH, Plan A, 432 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 1: Plan B, Plan C, and all of that to where 433 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: if something goes wrong, you know, we can change our 434 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: actions and compensate for a problem. If you've got a 435 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: fully realized virtual environment of a place that you wish 436 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: to attack for any reason, for any ideological motivation, um, 437 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: that could certainly be dangerous. My only account argument to 438 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: it is that you can pull off much of the 439 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: same thing with standard satellite imagery that's available in other places, 440 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: and it may be more effective than the virtual version, 441 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,119 Speaker 1: maybe just because of the limits on the technology and 442 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: what you can actually physically do. I think we're largely 443 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: talking about like a next gen version of this off, 444 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because even you know, I've 445 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: played with your oculus riff before, Matt, and it does 446 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: a good job of like keeping an eye on the 447 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: space that you're occupying and keeping you within certain boundaries. 448 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,199 Speaker 1: But like you're sort of limited. You can't just go 449 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: running around doing drills, you know what I mean. To 450 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: be fair, the oculus that I have is, you know, 451 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 1: it's the consumer version. There are many other ways into 452 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: you know, a three D environment like that that are 453 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: not the Facebook Meta oculus that are more powerful that 454 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 1: you know, are maybe connected through wires rather than the 455 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: wireless system there, that have higher processing power, that are 456 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: further advanced. I would say than what you and I 457 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: have experienced. Absolutely, there's I would say, there's another aspect 458 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: here which I believe is mentioned in in the article 459 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: that you sent Kyle, which is the idea of of 460 00:27:55,359 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: terrorism in a virtual sphere. Uh, just like pacified as attacks. 461 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: You know, we used to joke about zoom bombing, but 462 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: the article in the conversation references a very plausible scenario 463 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: in which a nine eleven memorial is taken over or 464 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: you know, is is disrupted by bad faith actors. But 465 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 1: it also reminds like we know people are going to 466 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: do this, this is on the way. It's just a 467 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: different expression of the same inclinations, tactics and strategies. Like 468 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: I um, I love hearing those stories of someone doing 469 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 1: a prank in some virtual or public event. Like there's 470 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,239 Speaker 1: so many stories of a disgruntled employee, you know, like 471 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 1: the guy who's in charge of the roadside warning signs 472 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 1: just changing stuff on their last day. We're talking about 473 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: terrorism in this way, you know, I think we do 474 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: see a lot of precedents. Google Earth is a tremendous 475 00:28:54,920 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: tool for vicarious exploration and for surveillance, and that's why 476 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: so many things on Google Earth get blurred out for 477 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: security purposes. Is this going to happen. Yes, absolutely, and 478 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not going to happen because it's a 479 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: crazy unprecedented thing. It's going to happen because it already 480 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 1: has happened. These kinds of strategies predate social media, they 481 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: predate the printing press. This is just another tool for 482 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: people to use to enforce their ideology. But there's another 483 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: point here. No, No, it's really interesting to me in 484 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 1: terms of kind of the soft science of recruitment and radicalization. 485 00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: Imagine you're a kid, you've grown up native to the 486 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: metaverse or whatever it ends up being called, and you 487 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: live in a world where, uh, it is challenging for 488 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: people to figure out if they're talking to a real 489 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: person or if they're talking to like a hologram and 490 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: AI generated deep fake. You meet a dead terrorist leader, right, 491 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Or you're a member of a neo Nazi group online 492 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: and they have created a Hitler of some sort and 493 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: you can be in this virtual space and you can 494 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: speak to Hitler. That would be a very powerful tool 495 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: for radicalization, and I think that's more dangerous, right, That's 496 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 1: like a step beyond the oath keepers example that I mentioned, 497 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, you could you know, Tupac Hologram at 498 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: Coachella that business only you know. And in the metaverse, 499 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: there's gonna be pockets. It's gonna be pockets of this 500 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: kind of extremism. By its very nature, you can't outlaw it. 501 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you can outlaw hate speech to a degree, 502 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: but it's also really hard. You know, it's gonna be 503 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: If it is going to be an open and free Internet, 504 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: then the stuff is going to exist and unless you 505 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 1: can prove that they're doing recruitment or whatever, which is 506 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 1: gonna be really hard to do, just like it is 507 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: right now on the Internet as it is as we 508 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: as it exists today. So and it's just one of 509 00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: many potentially problematic scenarios that could crop up in this 510 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: new online world. So I'm gonna keep an eye on 511 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: for sure. Did you guys know that you can right 512 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: now search through your browser and find the contact information 513 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: of the nearest ku Klux Klan group in your state 514 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: if you live in is not But it's just all there. 515 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: It's just on the Internet, and it it's just hanging out, 516 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: um and you can find it. You don't have to 517 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: do any kind of creative searching, you have to do 518 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,920 Speaker 1: anything with your browser or your network. You can just 519 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: access it and you've got the information it we're it's 520 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: strange to me that that type of radicalization is just 521 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: so out in the open. But again it is part 522 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: of as you're stating there, the open Internet, and we've 523 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: decided as a society that that's worth it. So it's 524 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: it's interesting that we're having these conversations just to see 525 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: like where those lines will be drawn, how how how 526 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: strong will those lines be, and who's going to decide 527 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: what they are. I'd like to also take a moment 528 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,320 Speaker 1: to shout out, first everything you guys are saying. I 529 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: completely agree with, Uh, These these are real dilemmas. These 530 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: are tall milkshakes, These are Gordian knots. There's not really 531 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: a way now to protect people without like to protect 532 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 1: people from damaging crazy things without also eroding their freedoms, 533 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: which are very very important, and they're they're hard one, 534 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, but in a moment of levity, I want 535 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: to shout out the Mitchell and Web. Look, if you 536 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: guys like sketch comedy, fellow conspiracy realist, Yeah, they're the 537 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: same dude to me peep show I have. I cannot 538 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,320 Speaker 1: deal with the social cringe of peep Show, but it 539 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: is a great show. Uh, Mitchell, web look. All you 540 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: have to do is go to your browser of choice 541 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: and and type in Mitchell and web look ku klux Klan. 542 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: They have a wonderful little little reimagining of how it 543 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 1: got invented. It. It's brilliant writing, but it's also it's 544 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: it's also addressing a very important issue. Extremism is on 545 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: the rise, not just in the US, but across the world, 546 00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: and not just in you know, the quote unquote global West. Uh. 547 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: These groups are real, they do exist. Uh, and in 548 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: some cases they are being aided and embedded by people 549 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: in power. And that's where we get to these scary 550 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: parts of an equation. And I completely agree with Kyle 551 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: with your point, Blake, is the metaverse going to help 552 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: people become their better selves? Or is it just going 553 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: to add more kerosene to the burning bonfire of crappy 554 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: things people do to each other? Unfortunately, I think it's 555 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: trending towards the latter, But we'll have to see. Maybe 556 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Maybe we should be hopeful. What do you 557 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: guys think cynicism right, cautiously, cautiously, hopeless, optimistically nihilistic. Yeah, 558 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: quick disclaimer, I only know about the KKK thing because 559 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: I learned about today as I was fact checking episode 560 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 1: seven of the MLK tapes. What you can listen to 561 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: right now, I always be closing. Yeah, I'll always be 562 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,919 Speaker 1: closing match always. You can have coffee. So now this 563 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,799 Speaker 1: leads us to ask the next question. We got a 564 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 1: lot of response about our metaverse episode, and the same 565 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: day we released it, by the way, I even added 566 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: this in the meta The same day we released it, 567 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: Facebook stock tanked like in the worst uh in the 568 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: worst dip in the company's history. So not everybody's on board. 569 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: If you're against the metaverse, you should know that other 570 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,200 Speaker 1: people agree with you. But if you think it's all 571 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: just fearmongering and alarmism, you know, everyone's entitled to your opinion. 572 00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: But I would I would ask you to read some 573 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: of the papers that are out, some of the excellent 574 00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: research that you know, you've you've referenced earlier. These problems 575 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: are real. People are making them up. The potential danger 576 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: here is enormous, and it's on the horizon because something 577 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: like the metaverse is inevitable. It's already happening. Yep. It's 578 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: one of those genies that you can't shove back in 579 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,680 Speaker 1: the bottle or badgers and bags or what have you. Um, 580 00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: but definitely you should probably make another drinking game edition 581 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: where where when Noel says definitely something to keep an 582 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: eye on, that's my that's like giving yourself your own nickname. Well, okay, 583 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,760 Speaker 1: you know I'm a rule breaker to ben, I played 584 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: by the I follow no rules of man, only the 585 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: rules of God. Um. So on that. Uh, We're gonna 586 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 1: take a quick break and be back with more messages 587 00:35:48,680 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: from you. And we have returned. We're going to go 588 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: to Canada here for a inside look at a continuing situation. 589 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,280 Speaker 1: It's one a lot of our fellow listeners have written 590 00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 1: to us about. It's also who I'll introduce you to 591 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: a Twitter conversation a moment as well, guys. But here 592 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 1: we go. We are going to hear from our fellow 593 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: conspiracy realist Canadian trooper. Hey, guys, I lost the message 594 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: earlier about the Freedom convoy. It obviously wasn't very good. 595 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: I was a little nervous, so I've written a little 596 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: script so give it a second world. So here goes. 597 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: Hey guys, Canadian trooper here, just calling to say that 598 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,800 Speaker 1: I love the show and see if you guys interested 599 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: in covering the Freedom Convoy off Prying Canada. If you 600 00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: don't know, it's a huge protest against a asking mandates 601 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 1: for truckers. The convoy part comes in a thousands of 602 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: thousands of truckers moved together from BC across the country 603 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: to Ottawa, flying flags and here science protesting mandates. Thousands 604 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: more people joined up along the way and they all 605 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: went to camp in Parliament Health in the nation's capital. 606 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: Now this is where things get a little interesting. From 607 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: day one, the government and media have been saying that 608 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: this is a tiny majority of the Canadian public and 609 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,480 Speaker 1: just a French group, But looking at the number of shows, 610 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: it's just not I don't want to get too much 611 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,920 Speaker 1: of the wheez here. There's so much info about how 612 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: the media is saying that the protesters are being aggressive, 613 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,680 Speaker 1: as violence from homeless people, etcetera, etcetera. I mean, as 614 00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,440 Speaker 1: with many any protests, there are a few bad apples 615 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: in it, but not nearly to the extent that it's 616 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: being portrayed as. One last point, I want to hit 617 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: is that all along the Prime Minister has been saying 618 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,280 Speaker 1: that it's such a small group and that there's nothing 619 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: to worry about. But the second that they get close 620 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: to Oddwa, he conveniently has to isolate due to contact 621 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,200 Speaker 1: with a positive case of COVID. There's so much more here, guys, 622 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: but I'll leave that talking off to you. You're more 623 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: than welcome to use my voice in there. Thanks boys, 624 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: and that is Canadian Trooper. Oh can you say we 625 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: just gotta thanks boys? That's like a very Canadian like 626 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,879 Speaker 1: trailer park boys kind of thing, right. That's my only 627 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: they like letter canny as. I love that because we 628 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: were the boys were like honorary Canadians. Uh. You know what, 629 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,799 Speaker 1: I would love that. I would love to be an 630 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:16,960 Speaker 1: honorary citizen of most countries. But yes, Canadian Trooper, we're 631 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: keeping the entirety of your message here. I'm going to 632 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,880 Speaker 1: use you as an example for the class. Uh. And 633 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 1: I think there's something you can appreciate to as well, Matt. Uh. 634 00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,479 Speaker 1: Canadian Trooper. At the very beginning of your message, you said, 635 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,040 Speaker 1: I haven't feel too comfortable, so I I wrote some 636 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: stuff down. I wrote a script if you want to 637 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: do that, then please feel free to do so. It's 638 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: it's a great way to organize thoughts and it will also, 639 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,760 Speaker 1: at least for most people's experience, it will also introduce 640 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 1: some new ideas in your process when you're writing. Um, well, 641 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,279 Speaker 1: just for fun, I wanted to keep the part of 642 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 1: the call where you say, oh, how do I turn 643 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,719 Speaker 1: this off? Because that was that was made my day. Um. 644 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,760 Speaker 1: But you're raising He's raising some great points here, guys, 645 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: because we're seeing a narrative war taking place regarding this convoy, 646 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: which is being referred to as the Freedom Convoy. One 647 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: of there are many disagreements regarding this UH. One of them, 648 00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: as you pointed out, Trooper, is the estimated size of 649 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: the convoy overall. Now make the mistake. Obviously, not everybody 650 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: in these protests are truckers. Also, there are a lot 651 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 1: of concerns from people in Ottawa and for people abroad 652 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: that this UH this has echoes of the January six 653 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,480 Speaker 1: attack on the Capitol of the United States, and you 654 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,600 Speaker 1: can see why people would draw those parallels. We were 655 00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: talking off air about when to do an episode on 656 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: this and do we you know, do we wait until 657 00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: more of the accurate information is solidified, or do we 658 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: do we go with what we have now, knowing that 659 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: things will probably change as this is a fluid situation. 660 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 1: We haven't recorded the episode yet, but we did have 661 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 1: we we did have some great research HELPUM went to Twitter, 662 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,680 Speaker 1: Ben Bull in hs W as I do sometimes just 663 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,239 Speaker 1: to get get a sense of what our fellow listeners 664 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: are thinking. And all I asked, I was trying to 665 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,520 Speaker 1: be very neutral about this, Matt Noll. All I asked 666 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: was Canadian slash Canadian adjacent friends, what's your take on 667 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: the trucker convoy protest Ottawa occupation? Uh? And from what 668 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: we're hearing there from a lot of people in Canada, 669 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,479 Speaker 1: it seems like this is being regarded as a far 670 00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: right movement or that's how it's being reported. What what 671 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: do you guys think about that? Um, the stuff that 672 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: I've read, it's tough for me to know. Ben, I 673 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,160 Speaker 1: have to say, because of the reporting that I've read, 674 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,040 Speaker 1: it feels like things are being written about it in 675 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: a negative white I would say that, at least from 676 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:07,680 Speaker 1: what I understand, it was very much rooted in personal 677 00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: freedom against some kind of mandate relating to the vaccine 678 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 1: that's my understanding of it, and it does feel like 679 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,520 Speaker 1: it was a thing that now has ballooned out that 680 00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:22,440 Speaker 1: encompasses many other things. At least that's what I've gathered, 681 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 1: Is that your sense? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, because the just 682 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: for some quick numbers, it's important for us to establish 683 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: that the majority of people working in the trucking industry 684 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: in Canada are vaccinated from what I can see, to 685 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,319 Speaker 1: the order of like eight, you'll see, I think eighty 686 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: five is a little more believable number. So it is 687 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: not as though the majority of the industry is powering 688 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 1: this thing. A lot of non truckers, as you mentioned 689 00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: at the top, have joined the protest for you know, 690 00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 1: a number of reasons. There's always gonna be mission creep 691 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 1: whenever you get that many people together on a grassroots basis. 692 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: Like if you look at the occupied protests several years 693 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: ago here in the US, you know that they had 694 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,280 Speaker 1: the people in those protests had a growing number of goals, 695 00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 1: some of which were contradictory if you just looked at 696 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,680 Speaker 1: them on paper. So these protests make strange bedfellows because 697 00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: what we're looking at is a Venn diagram, right of 698 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,359 Speaker 1: different groups who may not agree with each other on 699 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:34,640 Speaker 1: everything else. But they're saying they don't want a vaccine mandate. 700 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: Are they getting there getting heat in the news for 701 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:43,879 Speaker 1: being violence? Uh toward I believe, homeless populations and things 702 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,319 Speaker 1: of that nature. But because this is an ongoing situation, 703 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: even the best reporting is still going to suffer from 704 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: a bit of a fog of war, you know, because 705 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,440 Speaker 1: we were getting these conflicting statements, these conflicting agendas. It 706 00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:05,360 Speaker 1: does remind us, though, of something we predicted a number 707 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: of years back, I think, and Matt, you brought this 708 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 1: up off air. Um, I can't remember when we said it. Okay, 709 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 1: everybody get your shots ready. I can't remember if we 710 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 1: talked about this on error while we were hanging out 711 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:23,000 Speaker 1: one night, but we had the conversation about we did okay, okay, 712 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: Well everybody spit the shot back into the glass, so 713 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: we kid kidding. But so one of the points that 714 00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:38,640 Speaker 1: we made was the importance of the trucking and shipping industries. Right, 715 00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,719 Speaker 1: you might not live in the world of trucking, you 716 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: might not think it affects you, but if those groups 717 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:48,160 Speaker 1: ever decided to go on a nationwide strike whatever country 718 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: they are, and would shut down. There's just no way 719 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: around it. I mean it sounds like even just physically 720 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: pulling all their you know, their heavy duty trucks into 721 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 1: one place is just causing pandemony inman and of itself. Right, Yeah, 722 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,600 Speaker 1: people have been leaving Ottawa. Yeah, there are large physical 723 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: barriers that are mobile. Uh. Yeah, it could be a problem. 724 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: You get a coordinated effort and you could probably encircle 725 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: the whole city with those things. Well, I mean, if 726 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,759 Speaker 1: you look at some of the photography coming out of 727 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: the protests, it's astounding looking at downtown streets that are 728 00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,760 Speaker 1: just filled with big rig trucks and no other traffic 729 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: can get around. And I mean it's effectively occupying large 730 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 1: areas and shutting down commerce and just traffic in general. Yeah. 731 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: And they're also they're also criticism is being leveled at 732 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: law enforcement and they're saying, you know, you see reports 733 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: of arguments saying, uh, the police were much less likely 734 00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:55,280 Speaker 1: to suppress or break up these protesters then they would 735 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: say Black Lives Matter protests. Right, So there are accusations 736 00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,319 Speaker 1: by as on the side of law enforcement, and then 737 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,400 Speaker 1: that argument is being met with a counter argument on 738 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,400 Speaker 1: the part of law enforcement. It's true that this is 739 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,280 Speaker 1: happening there. There are a ton of people in Ottawa 740 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: right now and they are protesting. Ultimately, at the very beginning, 741 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,879 Speaker 1: they're protesting the vaccine mandate in that country. However, as 742 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 1: Mission creep has crept, what we're seeing is yeah, increasing 743 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: demands or increasing declarations, including some factions who are saying, 744 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,520 Speaker 1: let's overthrow the federal government. That's where the comparison to 745 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: January six comes in. And for anyone who's ever dealt 746 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: with the government, you know, none of them are perfect. 747 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,480 Speaker 1: Nobody has gotten it right. Yet over the course of 748 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,320 Speaker 1: thousands of years, no one has made a perfect government, 749 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 1: and probably won't for a while, but it's still better 750 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,520 Speaker 1: than nothing. That's the problem. Like people a lot of times, 751 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: and this is this is just my perspective, but a 752 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,040 Speaker 1: lot of time when I hear people arguing for a 753 00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 1: world in which a federal government doesn't exist, or a 754 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: country rather, they've never been to a failed state. They 755 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,520 Speaker 1: do not know what what it's like to live in 756 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:18,319 Speaker 1: a place that does not have a government. It is ugly, 757 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: it is dangerous, it is messy, and you know, I 758 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,680 Speaker 1: think for a lot of people, if you ever experienced 759 00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:31,120 Speaker 1: that you're gonna be much less irritated about the warts 760 00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:34,799 Speaker 1: and the imperfections of your own government. With that being said, 761 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: vaccine mandates, that's a that's a whole other thing. You know. 762 00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,879 Speaker 1: We've had a lot of our fellow listeners right in, 763 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,600 Speaker 1: some calling for more comprehensive mandates and some people saying 764 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 1: that it's you know, impinging upon their natural liberties at 765 00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,040 Speaker 1: this point. You know, we're always very careful too to 766 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,000 Speaker 1: be clear when we're talking about our own opinions rather 767 00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 1: than speculation or fact. But I was recently in a 768 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,120 Speaker 1: place that was requiring proof of vaccination to go to 769 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: restaurants or to go to venues, and I loved it 770 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,239 Speaker 1: just because I kind of like, I like feeling like 771 00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm somehow going through customs, you know what I mean. 772 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: And that's just that's just me. I don't have any 773 00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,480 Speaker 1: science there. I just like when people ask me for 774 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: a form and I have the form, I feel like 775 00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: a one, you know what I mean? I need to win. 776 00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,799 Speaker 1: Is it really work for the waiting though? Just for 777 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,960 Speaker 1: that one moment, I don't know. Man, It's like there's 778 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,960 Speaker 1: something there's something about it. There's something about the bureaucracy. 779 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,759 Speaker 1: You're right, it is satisfied once you get the pass through, 780 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,120 Speaker 1: But everything leading up to that, to me is peer 781 00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:40,640 Speaker 1: anxiety because I always, I always feel as though I've 782 00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 1: done something wrong, even though I definitely haven't, like or 783 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, I assume that there's something that's going to 784 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:48,800 Speaker 1: go wrong and my papers will not be in order, 785 00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: that I will have secretly stowed away with the kilo 786 00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: of cocaine that I'm unaware of, you know, something like that. Yeah. Yeah, 787 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,560 Speaker 1: it's like when I was laughter, take a drink, taken whatever, 788 00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: there's uh whatever, I hear a siren on the road anywhere, 789 00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,240 Speaker 1: just for a second, I'm like convinced I'm running guns, 790 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, and I just forgot about it. But then 791 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,920 Speaker 1: someone felt like the anxiety is real. Um, We're putting 792 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,160 Speaker 1: in some levity here because we know this is a 793 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:25,759 Speaker 1: very sensitive subject for a lot of people, and we 794 00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: endeavor to approach these things grounded in the world of 795 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 1: fact and see if we can cut past the noise. 796 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,360 Speaker 1: Is there media bias in the reporting on these on 797 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: this convoy, on this occupy, occupation of Ottawa, Well, I 798 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: mean there's going to be some sort of bias inevitably 799 00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: because up to now, the journalists working on any story 800 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,280 Speaker 1: are gonna be human beings, and human beings are inherently 801 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:56,000 Speaker 1: biased creatures. That's it's kind of an abstract point to make, 802 00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,680 Speaker 1: though it it does remain an important one. If you 803 00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: read accounts of this and say Fox News, you're going 804 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 1: to get a different slant than you would and say 805 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,319 Speaker 1: New York Times or Al Jazeera. And I was reading 806 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,439 Speaker 1: a lot of New York Times reporting on this, which 807 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: I thought I thought was was excellent, you know what 808 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,719 Speaker 1: I mean. But for many people, source like the New 809 00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: York Times is going to be considered worthless because they 810 00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,680 Speaker 1: think it's already too left leaning, you know what I mean. Yeah, 811 00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,879 Speaker 1: I just wanted to call back to something that our 812 00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: Calor Canadian trooper mentioned, just to the you know, it 813 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,440 Speaker 1: seems like it's some bad apples, but maybe it's more 814 00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,239 Speaker 1: than that. And it just it reminds you of some 815 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: of the Al Jazero reporting where I'll just read a 816 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: quote quote Some protesters were seen waving Confederate or Nazi 817 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:43,080 Speaker 1: flags and insist the action will continue until COVID related 818 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,440 Speaker 1: restrictions are lifted. A statement like that, some protesters were 819 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,000 Speaker 1: waving Confederate or Nazi flags can't represent everybody, right that's 820 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: in that thing. But it is not a good look 821 00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,839 Speaker 1: and it's not a great thing. It's just how you know, 822 00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,080 Speaker 1: how many is some? How? You know? Is it it 823 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,520 Speaker 1: a couple of vans in the back or were it 824 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,560 Speaker 1: was it a couple of the main trucks at the 825 00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:09,400 Speaker 1: front of the lines, That would make a big difference. Um, 826 00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: it's just that. And I'm not saying anything against the reporter. 827 00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,200 Speaker 1: You know they're there. It's not a false statement. Some 828 00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: protesters were seen doing that. It's just it it paints 829 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: a picture in your mind as the reader of what 830 00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 1: this thing is about. Maybe right, how many ors some? Yeah? 831 00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,200 Speaker 1: How much is a heap? Right? Uh? These are these 832 00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,280 Speaker 1: are tricky measurements. Also, what does right wing in Canada 833 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: mean the same thing as it means over here? Yeah, 834 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,319 Speaker 1: generally ideologically speaking, I mean one of the main differences 835 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,560 Speaker 1: is you could say there's more of a prominent left 836 00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:51,000 Speaker 1: wing tendency in part of Canadian politics, like you know, 837 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 1: like for European or international audience, you know, and ruffle feathers. 838 00:50:56,600 --> 00:51:00,400 Speaker 1: These are just the facts. The average European or the 839 00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,960 Speaker 1: average international audience. If they look at someone like current 840 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,640 Speaker 1: President Biden, they're not going to think of that guy's 841 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: left wing. They're going to think of him as a 842 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,799 Speaker 1: center right politician, which by his actions that that's what 843 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,720 Speaker 1: his administration is. And the right wing party is called 844 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,960 Speaker 1: the People's Party of Canada UM and in the Senate 845 00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: of the Canadian Senate there are zero of one five 846 00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:28,759 Speaker 1: members that represent this party. Just Tobacca, I see what 847 00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, so this and also Canadian the political 848 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,360 Speaker 1: apparatus is a little bit different from the U S. 849 00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: You can you can read about it in depth, just 850 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,520 Speaker 1: be prepared to you know, what brings some coffee with 851 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,080 Speaker 1: you when you start reading about it, because it's it's 852 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:48,480 Speaker 1: not it's not a page turner. So I'm trying to 853 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,160 Speaker 1: be a diplomatic. But but this is where we're at now, 854 00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: and it kind of goes into media responsibility, or your 855 00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:01,800 Speaker 1: responsibility as a reader or a consumer of media. Yes, 856 00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:05,800 Speaker 1: your brain is hardwired to tell you everything is awesome 857 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,399 Speaker 1: when you're reading stuff that confirms your existing opinion. As 858 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: part of that little quirk is part of why humanity 859 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,120 Speaker 1: has been so popular so recently on the planet. It 860 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,360 Speaker 1: just works for people, but you have to fight against 861 00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,080 Speaker 1: that right. If you think you are very very far right, 862 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,359 Speaker 1: or you think you're very very far left, and you 863 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:29,560 Speaker 1: want to read or to learn more about a world event, 864 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,560 Speaker 1: you need to read the sources you don't like. You 865 00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,120 Speaker 1: have to find a way to triangulate towards the truth. 866 00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: And and it's work. It doesn't feel great because your 867 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,160 Speaker 1: brain is going to be like, what's this information? This 868 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:46,000 Speaker 1: is not what we discussed earlier, you know, and it 869 00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,240 Speaker 1: makes my brain hurt. I just I said a sentence 870 00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,959 Speaker 1: earlier in this episode where I was like questioning whether 871 00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: or not reporting about you know, right and right extremists 872 00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,439 Speaker 1: were being marginalized in this reporting, Like that's insane. That hurts, 873 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,640 Speaker 1: and that hurts my head. But you have to you 874 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,680 Speaker 1: have to use your mind. It's almost as the political 875 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:11,640 Speaker 1: correctness even extends towards like being more friendly to fascists. 876 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:18,320 Speaker 1: So well, that's I mean again, that's why that's part 877 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,080 Speaker 1: of the work that you have to do. You can't 878 00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:27,040 Speaker 1: read one thing and then take that as an article 879 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:28,880 Speaker 1: of faith, you know what I mean. You do have to. 880 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,400 Speaker 1: I always remember one of my favorite memes is just 881 00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,680 Speaker 1: a photograph of graffiti and it says in big letters, 882 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,720 Speaker 1: question everything. And then somebody came by later and wrote 883 00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,799 Speaker 1: why and that's the mentality you've gotta have to take 884 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,759 Speaker 1: with you. So just to sew this up, because we 885 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,920 Speaker 1: were probably going to dive into this more in the future, 886 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,480 Speaker 1: I'd like to read some of the responses that I 887 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,600 Speaker 1: got on Twitter, and thank you to everybody wrote in 888 00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:57,600 Speaker 1: early we said, you know, looking to learn more context. 889 00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,200 Speaker 1: We tried to phrase that question very new tra really, 890 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 1: so it didn't seem like we were priming people to 891 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,600 Speaker 1: respond a certain way. And Matt Noll and Mission Control 892 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,560 Speaker 1: Night do not live in Canada, right, we do. We 893 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:15,520 Speaker 1: have not lived in Ottawa, so we needed reports from 894 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,680 Speaker 1: people on the ground. So Heather longtime listener Frakye Fire 895 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:24,840 Speaker 1: You guys remember Heather Uh said that she's furious and 896 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,480 Speaker 1: worried and embarrassed on behalf of Canada. She says, the 897 00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,120 Speaker 1: convoy is run by the far right. It's part grift, 898 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:35,040 Speaker 1: it's part tantrum. By quote giant babies who think putting 899 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,400 Speaker 1: out a mask is worse than killing people. Police responses 900 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,360 Speaker 1: in sharp contrast to what they do when First Nations 901 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:46,399 Speaker 1: people protests. Uh the Indigenous communities in Canada. We had 902 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 1: that echoed by several other people who were saying this 903 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: was organized by far right members. If you want to 904 00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,959 Speaker 1: read more detail, you can go to my conversation there. 905 00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:02,080 Speaker 1: On Twitter, people have posted some pretty compelling sources, especially 906 00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,719 Speaker 1: in relationship to folks who were leaders of the of 907 00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,080 Speaker 1: the protest movement and of the convoy UM. We saw 908 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,040 Speaker 1: some folks saying it's their right to protests. We also 909 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 1: had some firsthand reports of family members being physically assaulted 910 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,800 Speaker 1: by people in Ottawa. Again, that's you know, like you 911 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,160 Speaker 1: pointed out Canadian trooper. That might be a few bad 912 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: apples thing. But we don't know where the line is 913 00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: on that because there's not a source that's saying, you know, 914 00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: x percentage of these people were neo Nazis or anything. 915 00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:38,720 Speaker 1: They're saying. Some they're saying I saw some stuff. Uh. 916 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,439 Speaker 1: I think we can all agree it's not a good 917 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: look to have Nazis co signing anything you're doing. I 918 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,960 Speaker 1: don't think that's a hot take, I hope not. So 919 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,839 Speaker 1: This protest has been going on for eleven days and 920 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:54,319 Speaker 1: it doesn't show signs of stopping. You know, I know 921 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: this can be very sensitive nobody is super excited about 922 00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: a pandemic continuing, and in many cases it seems like 923 00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,960 Speaker 1: people have just in their minds emotionally had enough of 924 00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: lockdowns of its effect on the economy and business and 925 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,600 Speaker 1: so on. But it's it's yeah, I get that. It's 926 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,520 Speaker 1: very it's a very touchy subject though, and so our 927 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: main takeaway from now until we do a deep dive 928 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,600 Speaker 1: episode on this is the following. We have a responsibility 929 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,719 Speaker 1: as consumers of media to try our best to get 930 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,440 Speaker 1: the entire picture. And a big part of getting an 931 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,200 Speaker 1: entire picture of anything is to know what you're disagreeing with. 932 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,120 Speaker 1: That's why often atheists are pretty sharp on the Bible, 933 00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I've respect atheists who have 934 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:49,600 Speaker 1: read the religious works that they disagree with. I think 935 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,280 Speaker 1: that's due diligence, and we have to do our due 936 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:57,960 Speaker 1: diligence here. Currently, Ottawa is in a state of emergency. 937 00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:01,000 Speaker 1: The police are saying they're overwhelmed. We're going to see 938 00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,000 Speaker 1: how the situation develops. 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