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I 21 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: was watching that that Steelers Chargers game. I was going 22 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: against Austin Eckler in fantasy. So safe to say blew 23 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: my thirty point lead. It was feeling pretty comfortable, and 24 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: so now I just get to record a disappointed podcast. 25 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 3: How about this. I had Jonathan Taylor on my fantasy 26 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: team and I still lost by forty Yeah. 27 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: Is that the one in the Just Baseball League? 28 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 3: It's not. It's a it's a different league, you know, 29 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: no offense. But that's actually the one that I take 30 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 3: most serious. On one of the other league. 31 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 2: It's the classic. You know, I'm doing bad in this league, 32 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 2: so I take the other one more seriously. I take 33 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: the ones I do better in seriously too. 34 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I was on like a five game 35 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 3: win streak. I think. 36 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: You went all college guys. 37 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 3: I went all college guys, and it worked out for 38 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 3: a little bit. Jamar Chase hit, Davonte Smith hit. 39 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: You went like, I mean, I know everybody's a college 40 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 2: guy obviously in the NFL, but you went with like 41 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: the college known guys, like the patented college guys. And 42 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: I mean Jonathan Taylor, Patton died college guy. But he's 43 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: a baller. 44 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 3: Two thousand yard rusher at or a three thousand yard 45 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: rusher at Wisconsin. So he was again, Uh, might do 46 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,519 Speaker 3: it again in one season. Yeah, we're gonna talk really, 47 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: Pedro Severino. I thought that was an interesting pickup. We're 48 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: gonna save a lot of the Rule five conversation because 49 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 3: you had roster protections. There were some guys who were 50 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 3: left off forty man's. That was very weird. What's the 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 3: plural of forty man? Is it forty man roster like 52 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 3: forty man's or is it forty men forty man's. 53 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: I think I think technically speaking, it would be forty 54 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 2: man's because it's it's the roster itself, is the forty 55 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: man roster. Yeah, and you can't change what it's called. 56 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: You can't make it the forty men roster. 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 3: Right, and that you know, it's like its own separate entities, 58 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: So you've. 59 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: Got it's like a proper noun, I think. I think, 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: So you can't change it. 61 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 3: But here's my thing. You know, go to a leading 62 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 3: communications school in America and don't let anybody forget it 63 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 3: Syracuse the s I knew how school of public communications 64 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: top flight. 65 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 2: Listen. 66 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 3: I have no idea when to use persons versus people, 67 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 3: and I feel like it's weird. 68 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 2: That's the weird. That's I thought that was like an optional. 69 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 3: Thing maybe, like his persons just meant to sound educated. 70 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 2: Well, I don't. The only time I see persons in 71 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 2: the context is like when you're walking into building and 72 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: it's like, no more than fifty six persons in this building, 73 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: like with the signs for the fire. 74 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: Why can't you just say people? 75 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: I agree? I don't know see. And also I've never 76 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,679 Speaker 2: brought up the Syracuse thing on here. You just did, 77 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: So we're gonna tally that on the side. Just how 78 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: many how many new house douchebag plugs one of us 79 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 2: brings up totally, there's one that's fine. 80 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: You know what, while we're at it, shut out Roy Terry, 81 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 3: who was the did you have him? The professor? 82 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: I think I failed every test, but great, great professor, 83 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: just super hard. It's not his fault that English is 84 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: the hardest language when you really get into the weeds, 85 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 2: it's it's impossible. 86 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 3: Oh my god. Like French actually had a formula when 87 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 3: I was studying that like middle school, high school, and college. 88 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 3: Like French made sense, right, it was here's how you conjugate, 89 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: here's how you know words are structured in the past 90 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: tense and then we've got weird ought, which just sounds 91 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 3: like at sometimes like it doesn't make any sense. But 92 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 3: let's talk about baseball. You wrote a great article that 93 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: is available on just baseball dot com that is a 94 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: deep dive into the dysfunction of the Colorado Rockies. And 95 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: this is something that we've always just said and taken 96 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: his law right, like, oh, the Rockies are idiots. Yes, 97 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: you said, here's why the Rockies, and you almost laid 98 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 3: out a timeline of their idiocy and it was pretty 99 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: awesome to read and just like almost quantify everything we're 100 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: saying qualitatively about them. 101 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, what really prompted me to do it was what 102 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: we saw with the story in Gray situation, where you know, 103 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: with John Gray, they could have traded him at the deadline. 104 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:09,080 Speaker 2: We saw what arms were fetching. Was John Gray gonna 105 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 2: get you two top fifty prospects, No, but he could 106 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: have got you. He could have got you some quality prospects, 107 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: no doubt about it. And they decide, nah, we'll hold 108 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 2: on to him. He said he wants to sign an extension, 109 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: so we'll try to extend him. And they go into 110 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 2: you know that offseason, all right, going into it. There's 111 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 2: one week left in the season. That's when they make 112 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: the offer, So they had that exclusive negotiating window. Don't 113 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 2: use it, and you know, without rehashing the whole story, 114 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 2: that was something that's kind of got me going. And 115 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: then I'm thinking Trevor's story. I'm like, there's no way 116 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 2: that they couldn't feeld a better offer than a compic. 117 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: I just don't. I don't believe that, even if story 118 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: was having a bad year. So when I looked at 119 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 2: those two things, I was like, I want to see 120 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 2: where this all started and how long this has been 121 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 2: going on, And started thinking about Aeronato and the way 122 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 2: that was handled. 123 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: And terrible deal. 124 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: You don't realize how bad the situation was. I knew 125 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: the deal was bad, but the whole situation, the way 126 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 2: they really handled it, it was just like almost self sabotage. 127 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 2: But that trade in itself, there's so many things wrong 128 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: with it, but it's almost as if I was like, 129 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: maybe they know something I don't. I looked at it 130 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: from every angle possible and I was like, no, they 131 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: really are that inept, and I always think that it 132 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: can't be possible. Right, there's professionals in that role, but 133 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 2: they're capable of making mistakes that catastrophic. It's amazing. 134 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 3: I don't really understand how that stuff all unfolded. And 135 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 3: hopefully you can shed a little bit more light on this, 136 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 3: because like the Nolan Aernado deal. I remember, Okay, Aronado's 137 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: on the market, like he's going to get a top 138 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: ten prospect in baseball, and you've got Liberator and Gorman 139 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 3: that are still sitting here in the Cardinals system. And 140 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: it's like, no deal for a top five player in 141 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: baseball at the time. Cors bump or not should not 142 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 3: be getting Liberator and Gorman in return, right, Like you 143 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: need to get one in two or one in three 144 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: in a system if you're giving up the best third 145 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 3: basement in baseball at the time of the deal. And 146 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: that's what the Cardinals got away. I mean, they got 147 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: away with highway robbery for Nolan Arnado. And you know, 148 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 3: you're thinking, there's got to be this weird catch, right, 149 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 3: like maybe he actually is just a Corps merchant, right, 150 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: and he's not going to hit thirty bombs. Oh wait, 151 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 3: he's not going to be in contention for a Platinum Glove. 152 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 3: Oh wait, he's not going to like nothing dropped off 153 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: when he went to Bush, Like Nolan Arnado is still 154 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: an exceptional baseball player, and you can make the argument 155 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: for top ten player in baseball. And they got almost 156 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 3: nothing in return from Saint Louis. And then just going 157 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 3: back to story in Gray real quick, you're right, Like story, 158 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: they could have gotten a top fifty prospect in baseball 159 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: at the very least if it was just a one 160 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 3: on one, they could have gotten two top one hundred 161 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 3: guys for Trevor's story at the deadline because it was 162 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 3: a seller's market this year. Oh yeah, I mean, and 163 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: you get a comp pick for him, and then John 164 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: Gray you don't even get a compick because you don't 165 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: extend him the qualifying offer. 166 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 2: Like that's the craziest part. 167 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 3: There are so many weird parts of how they function 168 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: with so many deals that is just mind blowing to me. 169 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you light it out perfectly because I'll get into 170 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: the Aeronauta thing in a second, because there's some really 171 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 2: confusing aspects to it where I'm just like even more 172 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: just lost in whatever rationale they attempted to apply there. 173 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: But the really crazy thing with Gray is they had 174 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: that exclusive negotiating window throughout the rest of the season 175 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 2: after the deadline. You could get a really good pulse 176 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 2: at that point, you know if he's going to maybe 177 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 2: sign a deal with you or not. Obviously it's too 178 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: late to trade him at that point, but you would 179 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 2: have a good idea as to whether your offer would 180 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,199 Speaker 2: be in the ballpark of a QO. And what would happen. 181 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 2: They make him an offer, he turns it down to 182 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: me imediately. It was about ten to twelve million dollars 183 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: a year over a few years. I think then they're like, oh, well, 184 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: we're not going to offer him the QO because if 185 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 2: he accepts that, now we have to pay him that 186 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 2: for a year. Who cares. If he accepts that, you 187 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: get another chance to now trade him at the deadline 188 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: again and redo what you messed up last time. And yes, 189 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 2: you would have to be paying eighteen million dollars, but 190 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 2: that's the going rate for a decent pitcher. But we 191 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 2: know that's the big hold up there was they didn't 192 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 2: want to offer him the QO in the off chance 193 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 2: that he takes the QO and they have to pay 194 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: him market value for him, Like that's the craziest part. 195 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: Maybe it's a little above market value, but I think 196 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: for them relatively, you have a guy that pitches better 197 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 2: in cores that's so rare. You take that guy and 198 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 2: he's worth eighteen million to you. So that was crazy 199 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: to me. Then aeronauto thing, a big reason why the 200 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: trade was so bad was because they had no leverage. 201 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 2: They had a what was it a player option in 202 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 2: that right, Ernado just decided right now if he was 203 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 2: going to opt out or not. He didn't opt out. 204 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 2: That was a big reason why the package wasn't as 205 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: good as because they're like, oh, we can be a 206 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 2: free agent next year, then what are we gonna do? 207 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: And the craziest part about that is the more I 208 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: did research and the more I dug into it, I 209 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 2: found out that it was actually the Rockies who encouraged 210 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: him to have the no trade cost. He didn't even 211 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: ask for it, Like why he didn't even ask for it? 212 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: And according to it just blows my mind. He's like, yes, 213 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: we want you, we want you to have the no 214 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 2: trade cost. The former GM Jeff Brittitch, he said basically, 215 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 2: and I'm paraphrasing, but the quotes in the article somewhere 216 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 2: like we want to give him the opportunity. If he 217 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 2: doesn't want to be here, then he can leave. And 218 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:48,959 Speaker 2: that's why I encouraged him to have it in there. 219 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 2: We only want people that want to be here, and 220 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: I was just like that in itself is like a 221 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 2: very very powerful undertone of like I don't really want 222 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: this guy here, Like there was clearly a between the two, 223 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: and it was just bizarre. Even in an extension something 224 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 2: that should be exciting and celebrated, there's still this undertone 225 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 2: of like, can't wait to get you out of here, 226 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 2: and it's just really bizarre. And that was a big 227 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 2: reason why the package sucked. I want to hear what 228 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: you have to say, and then I'm going to go 229 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: into specifics on the money of the package, which blows 230 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 2: my freaking mind. 231 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, here's the deal with that thought, 232 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,200 Speaker 3: with that thinking from the Astro or from the Rockies 233 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 3: front office. I don't know why the Astros has popped 234 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: in my mind here, but my thing on that is, 235 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 3: you were negotiating that deal in the late twenty tents, 236 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 3: right like that that came about in twenty nineteen, if I'm. 237 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: Not gonna think it maybe a little before that. Yeah, 238 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: it was twenty nineteen, it was early twenty nineteen. 239 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 3: It was early twenty nineteen. In early twenty nineteen, the 240 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: thinking had already shifted. We are fully enveloped in the 241 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 3: thinking now that I'm about to lay out, but the 242 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 3: thinking had already shifted to this. In large part, there 243 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: are sharks, and there are dolphins. Dolphins do not survive 244 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 3: and are made up of dolphins. Everybody else is a 245 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: great white shark, where if you don't want them here, 246 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: you get rid of them. If the Rockies don't want 247 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: Nolan Arnatto's service, if they want to ditch him, you 248 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: sell him for anything. You make it clear it's the 249 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 3: Sixers Ben Simmons thing, right, like he can play for us, 250 00:13:22,720 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 3: but we don't want him. He doesn't factor in here. 251 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: I mean, Joel Embiid came out and said, I don't 252 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: concern myself with Ben Simmons anymore. Like nobody is trying 253 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: to pussy foot around everybody else, right, Like they're all 254 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 3: looking out for, you know, themselves. That's how they should work. 255 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 3: That's how the business of sports should work. There is 256 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 3: too much money not to think about yourself first. And 257 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: the Rockies obviously were trying to be nice to a 258 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: guy that they didn't see in their future plans, like, 259 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: don't do that, just trade him. And if you did that, 260 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 3: if you cut the bullshit, you get a lot more well. 261 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 2: And the bullshit was what ended up pissing Nolan aeronautum off. 262 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 2: It was the false promises, is what the reports were. 263 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 2: And actually the more I heard about it too, it 264 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: was it was the we're gonna spend, which is what 265 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 2: they told him when they signed, you know, when he 266 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: signed the extension. And then they let the Jayla Mayhew 267 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 2: go and then they let you know, a few other 268 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: guys go, and they don't have a farm system. And 269 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 2: the craziest part is they let Lem Mayhew go for 270 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 2: two years twenty four million is what he signed for 271 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: what the Yankees. Yeah, they replace him, not that he 272 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: fills into the exact position, but he essentially replaces him 273 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 2: in the lineup and with the same role basically, with 274 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 2: three years twenty four million for freaking Murphy bro like 275 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 2: Daniel Murphy. 276 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 3: Daniel Murphy serious character flaws that everybody was aware of 277 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: at the time of signing. I mean, obviously you remember 278 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: when he stood on his head with the Mets in 279 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 3: the twenty fifteen NLCS. But like, here's the thing about 280 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: Daniel Murphy. It was on record before he did that 281 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 3: that he legitimately said, I don't have a problem with 282 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 3: gay people. They're just less of human beings than I 283 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 3: think straight people are. Like a fool. 284 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: I don't mean to laugh, it's just the most it's just. 285 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 3: Like, how do you sign somebody who says that, like, 286 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 3: why are they touchable? 287 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:16,760 Speaker 1: Right? 288 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 2: Well, and that's the guy that you replace. You replaced 289 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: DJ Lemayhew with. 290 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 3: Who's a leader. 291 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, even even though he wasn't Yankees DJ yet, he 292 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: was still really darned good. And they said after like, oh, yeah, 293 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: we shouldn't have let DJ walk. Wish we could do that. 294 00:15:31,760 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 2: I don't know. Shit, Yeah, that one. That was the 295 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 2: crazy one to me. But to the package with Aeronatto, 296 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: this is the craziest part is yes, they lost the leverage, 297 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: which which at that point you're like, okay, it's kind 298 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 2: of like the Mookie bet situation, let's say, but a 299 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: little bit different where everyone just knows he's gone, and 300 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: even though he's a superstar, you're just not quite going 301 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 2: to get market value. You're gonna probably get it's sixty 302 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 2: cents on the dollar, like that's the general expectation. They 303 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 2: got zero, actually not even a penny on the dollar, 304 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: because they end up kicking in fifty million and it's deferred, 305 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 2: and I'm sure there's some like a bunch of different 306 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: aspects to it, but they're paying a decent chunk over 307 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: the next two years of No One Ananos contract just 308 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 2: to maximize their prospect return. So in theory, don't mind 309 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: that if they were getting if that got them gorman 310 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 2: and liberatory, like, if that's what they had to do, 311 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 2: in theory, I don't hate it. They did that to 312 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: get a package of mediocre to subpar prospects. That's the 313 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: craziest freaking part to me is like you traded and 314 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: added fifty one million dollars for a package that wasn't 315 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: worth fifty one million dollars. Like if it was just 316 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: fifty million, Like forget Aeronado for a second, you could 317 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: have these prospects, these four prospects for fifty million. I'd say, no, 318 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't give up more than fifteen million for those prospects. 319 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 2: Like in terms of signing you know, international free agent, 320 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 2: let's pretend they are none of them are worth more 321 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: than a couple million each mom, And I don't even 322 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 2: think they're worth that. So what are the Rockies thinking here? Like, 323 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: what are they doing? That's that's the craziest part to me. 324 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,239 Speaker 3: Man, I just got sidetracked with the Daniel Murphy thing. 325 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 3: I mean, like, I agree with you. The structure was weird, 326 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 3: the return was weird. Let me clarify with this is 327 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 3: because I just got down this rabbit hole again. So 328 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 3: I believe it was like twenty fourteen, major League Baseball 329 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 3: hired Billy Bean, not with an E, a different Billy Bean, 330 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 3: former Major League Baseball player openly gay, as an ambassador 331 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: for inclusion. Daniel Murphy said after meeting with Billy Bean, quote, 332 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 3: I disagree with his lifestyle. I do disagree with the 333 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 3: fact he is homosexual, and the Rockies signed him for 334 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 3: three years twenty four million dollars. I mean, like, what 335 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 3: the what? How do you do that? How do you 336 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: do that? 337 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 2: Yeah? 338 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 3: They are just so inept. And the return for aaronat 339 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 3: was was nothing like what it should be, and the 340 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: conversation with Aronauto is nothing like it should be. But 341 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:09,880 Speaker 3: the reality is Aeronauta is one of the very few 342 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 3: that has made it through this Gauntlet and what feels 343 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: like the inevitable downfall of the Rockies minor league system. 344 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 3: And I know you wrote about that. I mean it is. 345 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 3: It's a graveyard. Riley Pint. Literally, he was the one 346 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 3: that jumped out. I was sitting there in Fort Wayne 347 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 3: getting ready for a ten Caps game and I got it. 348 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: I got an alert from the Athletic. You know, former 349 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: top ten pick Riley Pint retires from baseball. I was like, 350 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: oh my god, Riley Pint. But there are a lot 351 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 3: that have retired from baseball, and the Rocky three. 352 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 2: Three of their last six first round picks a retired, 353 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 2: and you know, knowing guys in in Pro Bowl now 354 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: and just knowing how much the the state of the 355 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: ORG impacts their desire to play like flat out really 356 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 2: shows me. You know how much I think the Rockies 357 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: played a part in those guys careers. I'm not saying 358 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: that they you know, it's solely the Rockies fault. I 359 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 2: think Riley Pint obviously had a lot of mechanical issues 360 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: to sort out and had a lot of areas where 361 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 2: he needed to improve. But I think there's a level 362 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 2: of like, I'm never going to figure this out in 363 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 2: this organization, and I think a lot of those guys 364 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: they just lost the love for it because they had 365 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 2: no hope, no faith, because the Rockies weren't doing anything 366 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 2: to develop talent. And when you have three of your 367 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 2: six first round picks retire, there's something going on within 368 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 2: your org because that just doesn't happen. You have first 369 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: round picks from dude, Matt Bush is still playing baseball 370 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,199 Speaker 2: like you. Guys don't want to give it up. They 371 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 2: don't just give it up in a couple of years. 372 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 2: You have one guy here or there because it's a 373 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 2: very individual thing and some don't want to deal. And 374 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: Mark Apel's still kicking it like they don't want to 375 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:44,960 Speaker 2: just give it up. It's baseball. We love it. We're 376 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: gonna keep going until we ken, even if we know 377 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: that we're not going to be nearly as good as 378 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 2: we were supposed to be. Those guys are just a dream. 379 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 2: Fucking I'm done. 380 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 3: You're chasing this dream that your entire life you have 381 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 3: strived for. And the reality is, yes, Riley pint I 382 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: was watching in that under armor All America game at 383 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: Wrigley Field going into his senior year of high school, 384 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 3: and yes, he was one O two, but he couldn't 385 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 3: throw a strike to save his life. I mean it 386 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 3: was eye high every time. So you saw this and 387 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: you said, Okay, I mean it's one O two from 388 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: a seventeen year old, but he can't throw a strike. 389 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: But a lot of these other guys, like you know, 390 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 3: Ryan Ralison should be up in any other organization, he 391 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 3: should be fell. 392 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 2: In his face. He fell in his face this year. 393 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: You know, like it's just like but I'm I'm slow 394 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: to blame it on Ryan Rallison. 395 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 2: Oh No, at this point, I think it's not him 396 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 2: because he actually showed a lot. You know, when you 397 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: get to that point, you're like encroaching on the big leagues. 398 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: You need you need help to to tweak those those 399 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 2: little things and to get the most out of your stuff. 400 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: And that's where all the analytics come in and teams 401 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: that invest in that type of thing. The Rockies. Who 402 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 2: was it that said this, I think it was it 403 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 2: was Bill Schmidt right after he got hired. In a 404 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,399 Speaker 2: response to analytics in general, and he's like, yeah, we 405 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: want to get back to some of that. Was like, 406 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: get back to some of that, get back to what 407 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: like using some of those analytics things. That's that's where 408 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: it's scary because I know, like we talk about the 409 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: balance of analytics and everything, but if you're running your 410 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: team and you don't have a prominent analytics department, you 411 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 2: can decide how much you want to apply that into 412 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,440 Speaker 2: the individual aspects of the game. But when it comes 413 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: to developing players, it's it's unanimous. You need that information, 414 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 2: you need those analytics, you need all that stuff. It's 415 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: it's at this point it's like a lobotomy versus like antidepressants. 416 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 2: Like that's how that's how polarizing it is to me, 417 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 2: because you just can't you can't treat players and get 418 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 2: more out of their stuff and get more out of 419 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:40,360 Speaker 2: what they're doing without using that stuff. At this point, 420 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 2: with with how much everybody else knows. 421 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 3: I I in terms of scouting, in terms of player development, 422 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: in terms of personnel in a front office, I think 423 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 3: there should be a one to one ratio of major 424 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: leaguers to IVY leaguers. That's how I'll put it right. 425 00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 2: I just think it's perfect. 426 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: That's the way that people should be functioning well. 427 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: And here's a perfect way to put it well. Because 428 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 2: also you get those IVY leaguers and those baseball players together, 429 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 2: and those guys actually work together like they do. 430 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 3: They have a civil conversation, which is what happens in 431 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: those orgs. 432 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 2: That's what happens in those orgs. They have those conversations 433 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 2: and then and then they find a middle ground, which 434 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,439 Speaker 2: is usually a higher confidence interval in you know the 435 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: right answer. And I think what sums it up the 436 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: best with the Rockies is when the Rockies minor league 437 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 2: affiliate places the Dodgers minor league affiliate. I would venture 438 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 2: to say that the Dodgers organization or you know, the 439 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 2: analytics department, knows more about those Rockies prospects than the 440 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 2: Rockies whatever department knows about their own prospects. And I 441 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,640 Speaker 2: think that's and and how can you expect those guys 442 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: to succeed because they're attacking them knowing their weaknesses and 443 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: the Rockies organization probably doesn't even know what those weaknesses 444 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 2: are to work on and how to apply that, and 445 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,959 Speaker 2: their hitting coordinator probably doesn't even use any of that 446 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 2: like that, That's what I hearing. And that's the scariest part. 447 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 2: But when you're kicking in the fifty million for prospect 448 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 2: of return, that's worth about ten. Those are the things 449 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: that to me is just they're just kind of running 450 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 2: around like a chicken with their head cut off. And yeah, 451 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: the story was fun to write because we're just we're 452 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 2: just scratching the surface. There's about a million other things. 453 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 2: The Michael Gibbons trade to then trade him was another 454 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 2: one that I really loved. You were you're below five hundred, 455 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 2: you're a terrible team, and you're like, ah, let's go 456 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 2: get that thirty year old reliever. They gave up till 457 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: Tarin Varvara, and they gave up Tyler and Evan, two 458 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,360 Speaker 2: guys that are solid prospects of damn well they could use, 459 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 2: which is actually more than they're going to get for 460 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,439 Speaker 2: Trevor story. And then they flipped Michael Gibbons a year 461 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 2: later for Lass. So it just it just doesn't make 462 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:47,919 Speaker 2: any sense to me. I just I can't even explain it. 463 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Tyler, Nevin Tarren Vava both just got 464 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: protected by the Orioles, right, and they're forty man ahead 465 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 3: of the. 466 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: There goes that those are two guys. 467 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: On the forty man that you should have. Yeah, the 468 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: plaice of a guy who's not you know, like really 469 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 3: anything anymore reliever time. 470 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 2: He's a final believer, even if he's the best believer 471 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 2: in baseball. 472 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: But like Vavra is like the fourth infielder for the 473 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 3: Orioles for the next six years, seven years, Like he he. 474 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 2: Might start too, like he could be a starter, Like, yeah, 475 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: he's a fringe. He's a fringe starter. I honestly think, 476 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: like he's been hurt. He can hit. He can just hit. 477 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 2: I see him being almost like a Louis Yorme type, 478 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe not as prolific with the glove, 479 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: but a little bit better of a hitter, Like you're 480 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: getting that. I mean, screw it, man, that guy is 481 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 2: more valuable to a team that's rebuilding than anybody else. 482 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,840 Speaker 2: And Nevin can swing it. I mean, if if something 483 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 2: clicks for him. I mean, like you said, they protected him. 484 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 2: And that's a system that's really good. That's a decent 485 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 2: active roster. Now with some of the talent they have. 486 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 2: Those are two guys that they're like, hey, we think 487 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: they might turn into big leaguers if not, those are 488 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: two really good bench pieces, and they're young and controllable, 489 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: and they're cheap. And the Orioles are thrilled about it. 490 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: I promise you they are. 491 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Louis gill Orme, I like that camp. You know 492 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: how much I love the fringe starter in the middle infield. 493 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 3: Mauricio Dubon, that's my guy. Oh yeah, Mauricio Dubond types 494 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 3: and college guys, those are my people. You just sent 495 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,719 Speaker 3: the name Luken Baker in a group text and I 496 00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, college guy. Yeah, he's gonna go five 497 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 3: the year. Yeah damn. I mean that dude. He was 498 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: so unathletic at TCU, but he was just like the 499 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: classic big guy who would just run into some balls 500 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 3: and didn't wear batting gloves. He's just good, good country boy. 501 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 2: I love it. He rakes. He absolutely rakes. 502 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 3: He does. He can't do much of anything else, but 503 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 3: he rakes. 504 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 2: Seth bier esque. I like it though. I like those 505 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 2: guys too. And with the en now no, but with 506 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: the n now acquiring a d H, most likely, I 507 00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: think Lucy Baker is gonna be one of the first 508 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 2: names off the board in the Roll. 509 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 3: Five, so he could. 510 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: This is gonna to kind of tease Wednesday's episode. This 511 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: is gonna be one of the most talented Rule five 512 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: drafts made ever, because no twenty twenty season, So when 513 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: you have no minor league season, the development's delayed. Yeah, 514 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 2: development's delayed. So yeah, you essentially have two prospect classes 515 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 2: in this. There's a lot of talent to be had here. 516 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 2: Like usually it's like, oh yeah, the Rule five, it's 517 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: your throwing a dart. I'll venture to say that at 518 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 2: least three or four guys in this Rule five will 519 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 2: have an impact on a big league team next year 520 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 2: that will actually notice. We'll be like, whoa, that guy 521 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: was Rule five, And that's what's cool. I actually it's 522 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,959 Speaker 2: one of my favorite things about baseball because with it 523 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 2: is a slight, slight, slight hedge of a terrible control 524 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: system we talk about with players right where you know, 525 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: they have control of guys for six years and sometimes 526 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: they can just stash guys in the minors and whatever. 527 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 2: It is like it's a better, slightly good hedge of 528 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 2: the delaying the clock. Obviously doesn't do enough, but it 529 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 2: is one of the reasons why I love the Rule five. 530 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, if you don't value this guy enough, 531 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 2: then you know someone else will. And if they don't, 532 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: then you're right to not value them that much. It's 533 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 2: like perfect, it's like setting the market value. So I'm 534 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,640 Speaker 2: a big fan of man. I'm looking forward, looking forward 535 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 2: to talking about it on Wednesday. 536 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 3: Totally. Let's wrap talking about this article that I read 537 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 3: in The Athletic last week and I texted you and 538 00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 3: I said, we have to talk about this. Yeah, And 539 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 3: I'm really curious about it too. It was about PitchCom 540 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: and it was developed by a pair of mentalists who 541 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 3: you know mentalists recommendation if you have Hulu, Derek del 542 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 3: Gaudio's in and of itself on Hulu. Derek del Gaudio 543 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,399 Speaker 3: is a mentalist magician type. And I have no idea 544 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 3: how to describe the programming. It's about an hour hour 545 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 3: fifteen and it is one of the deepest and craziest 546 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 3: things I've ever seen. I'd call it a performance he performed. 547 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 3: He had a live audience in New York. He did 548 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 3: it like two hundred three hundred times at a playhouse 549 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 3: of sorts. It was a small theater and he it 550 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 3: was almost like a mentalist performance or a magician performance. 551 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 3: But this PitchCom was developed by two mentalists, and the 552 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 3: premises You've got the catcher who wears like a wristband type, 553 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 3: you know, maybe even smaller than that. And you've got 554 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,919 Speaker 3: the pitcher wearing a band around their hat. And the 555 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 3: catcher can punch one of nine buttons that will be 556 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: pitch type, and then he can punch another of the 557 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 3: nine buttons that will be pitch location. So he just 558 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 3: looks down to his wrist, he hits these two buttons, 559 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 3: and then either English or Spanish or any other language 560 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 3: that the pitcher speaks, that band will say to them 561 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 3: fastball low and away or curveball low and inside. And 562 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 3: that they believe, and major League Baseball believes is the 563 00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 3: future of sign from pictures to catchers and vice versa, 564 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: so as to prevent the sign stealing. It was a 565 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: fascinating concept, and I think you and you and I 566 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 3: both just had our headspin for a little bit after 567 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 3: reading it. 568 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's a smart idea, you know, 569 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: like a typically character those guys, do you? I think 570 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 2: it's an intelligent thought? Is that a better way of 571 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:27,360 Speaker 2: putting it? Like that? 572 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 3: Yes? 573 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 2: They were. They were creative, innovative, but it doesn't necessarily 574 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 2: mean it's practical, right, And that's that's where I draw 575 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: the line is for me, if I click a button 576 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 2: and then I click another button to tell you what's 577 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 2: going on, and then you shake me off, and I 578 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 2: gotta click another button and another button, and you shake 579 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 2: me off, which happens plenty of times. We shake off 580 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: two billion times all the time, Like I might hit 581 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: the wrong thing at that point, I think you're gonna 582 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 2: get crossed up way more in this situation, like because 583 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 2: it's it's just way there's a level of, yeah, you 584 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 2: want to hide the signs from the other team, but 585 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: there has to be a little bit of a demonstrative 586 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,960 Speaker 2: nature of your signs to almost be on this same 587 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 2: human component dating back to like Caveman biological date, like 588 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 2: the basic basic human aspect, you and I making signals 589 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 2: to each other. You can kind of get body language 590 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 2: and know if you're on the same page. I'm clicking 591 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 2: a button and then I get nothing from you, Like 592 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna know if we're on the same page. 593 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 2: I can tell by the way you're looking at my signs. 594 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 2: If I think, oh, but he might not be seeing 595 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 2: me right, Like that's when they usually call time and 596 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 2: they go out there. I just I just don't know 597 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 2: if I could get behind that as a catcher, I'd 598 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: be very stressed about getting crossed up, and as a pitcher, 599 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 2: I definitely don't want some shit in my ears and 600 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: on my head. Like I don't think that the science 601 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 2: stealing is that much of an issue that we have 602 00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: to go through this kind of crazy, crazy change for what. 603 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 2: It's not like some crazy thing that's debilitating baseball. If 604 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: this was a sticky sub solution, it'd probably be more 605 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 2: important than sign stealing. I just don't think it's an issue. 606 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: And it would be fast tracked, and this is still 607 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,239 Speaker 3: kind of being fast tracked. Major League Baseball implemented it 608 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 3: in the second half of the year in Loway West, 609 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 3: and a lot of the people in Lowa West that 610 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 3: were using it had some positive things to say about it. 611 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: They had a lot less fear that their signs were 612 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 3: being stolen with a runner at second base. The con 613 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 3: was that it was slowing the game down, and the 614 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 3: pitch clock being a parent as well. It was always 615 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 3: a race against the pitch clock. So the only time 616 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: that this really speeds the game up is when there's 617 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 3: a runner at second base and you got to go 618 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: through the sign sequence. If you're a catcher, if there's 619 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: nobody on or there's a runner at first, you can 620 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: just drop a sign down and move to your spot 621 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 3: and that's that. And the only people that are taking 622 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 3: those signs are the ones that are banging on trash 623 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 3: cans or the ones that are shining strobe lights from 624 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 3: center field. It was Ryan Spader that just sent out 625 00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: a bunch of like claims with absolutely zero credibility midway 626 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 3: through this season, right, he was just like Adrian Beltray 627 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 3: had a guy waving a shirt or something. Yeah, that 628 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 3: was when the ball was coming. That was bizarre like 629 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 3: that that felt. 630 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 2: And then he was just like, I'm sorry, and this 631 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 2: was the worst decision I ever made. We're just like, yeah, 632 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: we said it. The second he put that out there, 633 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 2: We're like, oh, that's not a good idea. 634 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 3: Right, It's just like you can say these things, but 635 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 3: just know you're gonna get sued. Yeah, seriously, seriously seriously sued. 636 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 3: And I think he had some I think he had 637 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 3: some people come to him and say, where's your empirical evidence? Yep, 638 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,280 Speaker 3: he said, I've talked. 639 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 2: To people and yeah, some guy, some guy. 640 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 3: Right, you're gonna lose millions of dollars. Yeah, just don't 641 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 3: for everybody listening out there that was thinking about making 642 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 3: this bold, harsh claim, don't do it unless you can 643 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 3: totally back it up. 644 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: Okay, no matter how much you trust the person who 645 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 2: told it to you. 646 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to be able to back this shit up, 647 00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 3: especially when you're dealing with millionaires. I mean, like talking 648 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 3: about Adrian Beltray like a Hall of Famer. Yeah, I 649 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 3: mean saying all the time, waving a T shirt like 650 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 3: watch the video. Okay, maybe it was just a fan 651 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 3: waving a T shirt. I don't know that that was 652 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 3: a problem. But yeah, this is called PitchCom p I 653 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 3: t chcom. It was implemented in low A, West. You know, 654 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: some people had some good things to say about it. 655 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: I think low A was also the one using the 656 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 3: robotic ump for a little bit as well. Yeah, which 657 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 3: is a disaster also, Yeah, I mean it's all kind 658 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 3: of a disaster. What I did like is there was 659 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 3: almost this it not fact checking, but there was this 660 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 3: quality control aspect from the managers who had an iPad 661 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,040 Speaker 3: in the dugout, and they would like tap in whenever 662 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 3: they thought that a robotic strike call was too high 663 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,680 Speaker 3: like this missed, and they adjusted the strike zone from there. 664 00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: So they expanded it horizontally, they shrunk it vertically, and 665 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 3: I appreciate that there is some feedback from human beings 666 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: during this process. Uh, PitchCom it. Just just close your 667 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,240 Speaker 3: eyes and let me paint you this picture. Here, you've 668 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: got Siri telling you on the mound, blow it by him, 669 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: gas this motherfucker up? Click? How does that get you amped? 670 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 3: That's what it sounds like, right, Like that is twenty 671 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 3: twenty five in Major League Baseball. 672 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 2: Well, it's just gonna say, it's just gonna say fastball 673 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 2: and then you just yeah, all right, then if you 674 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 2: say no, If you say no, and then we gotta 675 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 2: wait for you to click another one and then out 676 00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 2: of here, curveball, I'm gonna say, nope, click another one, 677 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 2: slider And then that was like a fifteen second ordeal. 678 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 3: God, I mean, talk to me about like one bar 679 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 3: of lte, right hmm, I'm having trouble understanding. 680 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And like what if there's issues at that point, 681 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 2: Like there's gonna be tech technolog logical issues, and then 682 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 2: when that happens, then they go back to regular signs 683 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 2: and it's like all right, we're back to square one. Anyways, 684 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 2: Like yeah, it's just it's just a crazy concept to me. 685 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,919 Speaker 2: Just change your signs up a little bit. It's baseball, man. 686 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 2: It just it's just not it's not that bad, it's 687 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: not that hard, it's not it's not that devastating. It's 688 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,319 Speaker 2: just just just change your signs up a little bit. 689 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 2: I also don't get why they don't have a second 690 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 2: set of signs already established for when there's a guy 691 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: on second base. Like, when there's a guy on second base, 692 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: we will do this. When there's not a guy on 693 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: second base, we stick with this. Like why every time 694 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 2: it's like, oh, we had no idea that somebody was 695 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:38,800 Speaker 2: going to go to second base. Now we got to 696 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 2: act like we gotta we gotta split this out. No 697 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,399 Speaker 2: way someone made it to second. Let's let's go change 698 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 2: the signs like it's gonna happen. Someone's gonna go to 699 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 2: second no matter how good you think you are on 700 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: the mound. Have a plan for it. I don't need 701 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 2: to have it be time every single time somebody hits 702 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 2: a double. It's just miserable. 703 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,839 Speaker 3: It's miserable, purely idiotic. I'm really looking forward to hearing 704 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 3: this rule five conversation and that you're gonna have on Wednesday. 705 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 3: I was on episode one with you of the Prospects episode. 706 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 3: Peter was on episode two. I think you might have 707 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 3: to bring a new guest in for episode three. We'll see, yeah, 708 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 3: be a an informed prospect discussion with somebody on the 709 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 3: Just Baseball staff. We shall see Peter and I talking 710 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,759 Speaker 3: about a whole laundry list of things for tomorrow's episode, 711 00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: including Noah Cindergard absolutely lighting into Mike frances. 712 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 2: Which is which is so funny because we were just 713 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,279 Speaker 2: talking about Mikey the other day. Peter's a big fan, 714 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,680 Speaker 2: so I'm excited to hear about that. 715 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 3: I just uh, I just keyed Peter into Mike Francis 716 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 3: and not knowing who Dino Babers was, the head coach 717 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 3: of Syracuse Football, somebody called in and said, uh, somebody 718 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: called it and said, hey, Mike, what do you think 719 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 3: about the job Dino Babers is doing it Syracuse. And 720 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 3: Mike was like that, that's a fake name. Why are 721 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 3: you calling him with a fake name? 722 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 2: Always my time was my time. 723 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: Uh Yeah, him and him and the mad Dog, they 724 00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 3: are the godfathers. They they were the first. 725 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,279 Speaker 2: The godfathers are just being really mean to theirs, to 726 00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 2: their callers. Yeah, don't you realize that's somebody that freaking 727 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 2: is listening. He's listening to your show, bro, Even if 728 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 2: you don't like what he's saying, he's listening to your show. Like, 729 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: just just don't be an ass. It's it's not it's 730 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: not that hard. Also, speaking of Syracuse lost to Colgate 731 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five two three zone, we will 732 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 2: never ever leave it. Even when the other team splashes 733 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 2: eighteen threes, which was more than half of their total 734 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 2: field goals. You stay in the two three zone. And 735 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 2: that's why Jim Beheim is a goat love guy. 736 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 3: Tell you what though, this Colgate coach Langele, he's a 737 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 3: he's a high major head coach. 738 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's give let's give Colgate credit. But Syracuse says, 739 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,959 Speaker 2: I want to Cogate since nineteen sixty two. Yeah, Jim 740 00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,239 Speaker 2: Beheim might it might, it might be time. 741 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 3: His zone is beatable. I thought it was indestructible. 742 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 2: It's just a shoot. It's pretty crazy. 743 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 3: It's called it's called the wings, it's called running the baseline, 744 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 3: and it's called having a competent passing big right. 745 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,959 Speaker 2: At the free throw line. Yeah, line, there are. 746 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 3: Five week spots of the two three zone and they 747 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 3: are so well documented. 748 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,320 Speaker 2: So and then we have the most unathletic team in 749 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,239 Speaker 2: Syracuse that they've had in a while. So you're running 750 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 2: a two three zone with a bunch of dudes that 751 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,359 Speaker 2: can't move that well. And so now they're not even 752 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,799 Speaker 2: closing out on shooters. And it's gonna be a long season, Jack, 753 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,000 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a long season. All my team suck. 754 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 2: I have nothing to live for in the sports. 755 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 3: World except Tyler Hero. 756 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 2: Tyler Hero, You're gonna lose that bet. 757 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 3: That's fine. I've got them at under twenty points per 758 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 3: game once. 759 00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, right now, it was nineteen point five, nineteen point 760 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 2: five average twenty one. 761 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I've still got a plenty of time. 762 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 2: All right. 763 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 3: That's at arm lighton eighth. I'm Jack Undersquare mcmall and 764 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 3: eleven on Twitter. Any other handle or link you need 765 00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 3: is in the episode description. We will talk to you tomorrow. 766 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 3: Thank you, everybody.