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Speaker 2: Shopping on eBay, I'm shopping on eBay. Well, I go

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Speaker 1: This is not an ad, by the way, this is

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Speaker 3: This is so dangerous.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you are going to have to buy

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Speaker 2: So I found it years ago when I decided that

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Speaker 2: I So when I was about I don't know, eighteen

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Speaker 5: The perfect cologne for me.

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Speaker 2: So I was never a cologne guy, and I wanted

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Speaker 1: eBay, the eBay, right, because you're if.

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Speaker 2: There's if there's any there, And I see one small

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Speaker 3: And h one is twelve hundred dollars.

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Speaker 2: No, they're they're certainly not cheap, but it's they're also

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Speaker 2: Now for like some of this big, some threat, some

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Speaker 5: After so many years.

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Speaker 1: Cologne expires. Have you have you smelled it? Does it?

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Speaker 5: It smells exactly right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's good.

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Speaker 2: Colone doesn't expire, doesn't a fine wine where it just

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Speaker 1: And I know it does because I have a very

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Speaker 3: Because she put on expired cologne.

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Speaker 1: That's where the.

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Speaker 5: Not magic.

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Speaker 1: I've been searching eBay for my grandmother.

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Speaker 5: My grandmother so much. There's one in Idaho pre owned.

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Speaker 1: It's just so expensive, but I think it's worth it. No,

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Speaker 1: I I have a memory of my my grandmother. She

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Speaker 3: You guys, know, like old book smell like how the delightful?

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, oh, but I love it.

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Speaker 1: And when I first started, I became obsessed with nineteen

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Speaker 2: When you were seventeen, like now that I'm making tea

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Speaker 1: You know. My family were very into tea, and I

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Speaker 4: Then I would I would have to stop drinking coffee,

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Speaker 4: So then it became hard thing. She'd be like, lip

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you should go get me lipped in tea.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, this was not an ad for eBay,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets World. I'm Danielle Official.

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Speaker 3: I'm right or Strong, and I'm Wilfredee.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, am I ever excited for this episode today?

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Speaker 1: Guys this you know, we all have our things, we

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Speaker 1: I was up later than usual and I was up

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Speaker 3: Way, I was unclear. Have you met him before?

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Speaker 1: Never? Never? No, I have never. I have never never

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Speaker 1: smiling ear to ear holding up my newest prize Possession.

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Speaker 1: My most beloved gift of that year, the debut studio

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Speaker 1: And today we will speak to that musician whose first single,

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Speaker 1: Some small trivia about that movie, Montel is the only

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Speaker 1: him about. This week, we are very happy to welcome

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Speaker 1: six ' eight he stood it's my favorite nineties singer

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Speaker 1: Montel Jordan.

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Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, reunited.

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Speaker 1: I mean it feels like that. I just I am

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Speaker 7: Oh So, I love you guys, super super excited for

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Speaker 1: I have to tell you, we were all shocked that

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Speaker 1: when we posted the picture. First of all, I was like,

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Speaker 6: Absolutely.

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Speaker 8: the same thing where I got this music bug. And

445
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 8: I noticed a very short window, a very small window

446
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 8: that you can actually try and infiltrate the music business.

447
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 8: Whereas college, you know, I could go at any time

448
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 8: to go ahead and get a degree. And so that

449
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 8: was the turning point for me to not pursue law

450
00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 8: school after graduation and going on to giving my shot

451
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 8: at the music biz.

452
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Speaker 1: You know what, one of my favorite parts of that

453
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 1: story is. I mean, so far you're in your story,

454
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Speaker 1: there's been multiple times where you have talked to people

455
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,400
Speaker 1: and taken their advice and had it. It has shifted

456
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,959
Speaker 1: the like shifted the course of your life. And I

457
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: love that because one of my favorite quotes, and I

458
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 1: don't even know who said it, but it's learn from

459
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 1: the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to

460
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 1: make them all yourself. And like you, truly you had

461
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: the people you trusted and you spoke to and you

462
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 1: listened to them, and it just it helped you decide

463
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: where to go to college. It helped you decide when

464
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: you were going to take a chance on music. And

465
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Speaker 1: I just I love that because I think it's such

466
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Speaker 1: an important lesson.

467
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Speaker 2: So from that, but I was just gonna say, not

468
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 2: only to bring it, but to kind of bring it

469
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Speaker 2: back to boy Mets world.

470
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Speaker 5: It also shows the power of teachers.

471
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, how really good, great features and mentor figures in

472
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 2: your life can change the course of your life by just.

473
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Speaker 5: Being there and being important. And everybody needs that. Feenie's back.

474
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's all, but it's true I mean, these

475
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 2: are two mentors you've talked about now that have completely

476
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 2: changed your life, and it's just, oh, it's amazing.

477
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Speaker 8: Absolutely, And as I think about that, I do think

478
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 8: the teachers, the pastors, the people of leadership, of authority,

479
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 8: if they're you know, hopefully people have trustworthy people get

480
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 8: their lives like that, because you can't just take everyone's

481
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 8: word and everyone's advice. But these are people that I

482
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 8: really felt like I would follow this person, you know,

483
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 8: I would follow this person, I would take this directive.

484
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 8: And then even in those instances, I still you know,

485
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 8: as a man of faith, I still would have to

486
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 8: go back and still ask God, you know, hey, this

487
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 8: is what I'm feeling from somebody that I really value

488
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 8: and trust that opinion. God, can you confirm if this

489
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 8: is something I should do? And then either doors would

490
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 8: open or closed, you know in what those pathways? Would

491
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 8: be so very very fortunate to have that in my

492
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 8: life and have those leaders that have done that.

493
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Speaker 1: How and when is this is how we do it? Born? Like,

494
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 1: where does the beat come from? Where does the concept

495
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 1: come from? I would like this heavily documented. Please, yes, yes.

496
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 8: I during my college years out at Pepperdine which was

497
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 8: Mui mui blanco. I had to say, I had to

498
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 8: seek out. I did not have that what I thought

499
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 8: would be my black college experience. And so being out

500
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 8: on the West Coast at Pepperdine, I joined a paternity

501
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 8: called Kappa Alpha Psai and that that and those fraternities.

502
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 8: It's an international fraternity, and it allowed me to go

503
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 8: everywhere that I thought I would want to go to

504
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 8: at least be and connect. I mean, I don't know

505
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 8: if you it's maybe difficult to express, but my amazing

506
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 8: Pepperdine experience was it could be very very segregated. It

507
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 8: could be very very challenging just because of where we were.

508
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 8: It was difficult to find shared experiences with people. After

509
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 8: living seventeen years of my life across the tables and

510
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 8: across in rooms with people that look like me, and

511
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 8: now I'm with people that I want to connect with

512
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 8: and they want to connect with me. But it was

513
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 8: almost like this is bigger than a language barrier. There's like,

514
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:21,679
Speaker 8: you know, a literal learning curve, you know of trying to,

515
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 8: you know, figure out how to how to walk alongside

516
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 8: of people who don't look like you or don't think

517
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 8: like you, and so in that journey I did connect,

518
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 8: and so I would go to USC, I go to UCLA,

519
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 8: I go up to Berkeley, I go down to San Diego.

520
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 6: And we called it road tripping back then.

521
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 8: So we would hear, oh, there's a party going on

522
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 8: up at you know, at UC Berkeley, and so we

523
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 8: would ride all the way up to UC Berkeley to

524
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 8: go to wherever the fraternities and sororities were having parties.

525
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 8: Every party that I went to at that time, if

526
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 8: a DJ was any good, he would always play a

527
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 8: song by a rap artist named slick Rick. Click Rick

528
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 8: the Ruler had a song called Children's Story, and I

529
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 8: loved slick Rick. I loved that song. I loved his

530
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 8: British accent. I love his storytelling ability. Everything about that

531
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 8: song was beautiful to me. And the thing that was

532
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 8: interesting about that particular song was that a DJ did

533
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 8: not play that song at ten o'clock at night or

534
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 8: eleven o'clock at night or twelve o'clock at night. If

535
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 8: last call for alcohol was at two am and the

536
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 8: party was closing at two when the DJ is getting

537
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 8: into the heat of his set, it was gonna be

538
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 8: one of those one am type of songs in between

539
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 8: all of the other big records, because the energy in

540
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 8: the room, the adrenaline, the everything that was happening in

541
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 8: the room was being dictated by what's happening with the

542
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 8: music being played. And every time that song would come

543
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 8: on at due dune, Dun Dun Dump, I could literally

544
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 8: see the room start bouncing and I could watch people

545
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 8: gravitate to the floor. So even back then in college,

546
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 8: I would say, if I ever get into the music business,

547
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 8: I'm going to sing over that song. If I ever

548
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 8: get a chance at the music business, I'm going to

549
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 8: sing over that song. And so I took that with me,

550
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 8: you know, from nineteen eighty six, eighty seven.

551
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 6: Eighty eight, eighty nine, ninety nine.

552
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 8: Just that thought process is, if I ever get a

553
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 8: chance in the business, I'm going to sing over that song.

554
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 8: And so when I finally did get a record deal

555
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 8: opportunity with Russell Simmons at def Jam Records, and I

556
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 8: got the record deal, and I went and I bought

557
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 8: equipment and I did everything that I needed to do.

558
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 8: I started putting together this entire album, and this is

559
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 8: how we do. It was not even in the first songs.

560
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 8: It was the very last song that I sang and

561
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 8: wrote on that first album because because I knew the track,

562
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 8: I knew what I wanted to I knew it had

563
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 8: to be special and I didn't want to screw it up.

564
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 8: And so because I had always said I'm want to

565
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 8: sing over that song, it was actually the very last

566
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 8: song I recorded on my first album.

567
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Speaker 1: Oh my God.

568
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: So it was years in the making by the time

569
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: it came out.

570
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 4: It was actually very layered, and yeah, it had.

571
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 5: Wait, I have a question. Then, you've talked about slick Rick.

572
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: Who were some of your other musical influences growing up then?

573
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 2: Because you were I mean I was talk about not

574
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 2: talk about having two completely different ways of growing up.

575
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: I grew up in a tiny, little white town in Connecticut,

576
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 2: but all of my friends listened to NWA slick Rick.

577
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: I mean, these were in the suburbs for the white

578
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: kids by this point too, and so it was so

579
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 2: strange to see the proliferation of how again the little

580
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: white kids from Avon, Connecticut were grabbing onto this culture

581
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 2: as much as we could because it was so different

582
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: and so interesting for us. But being in the heart

583
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: of it, I mean, what were your influences musically as

584
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 2: you were growing.

585
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 6: Up very eclectic, very eclectic for me.

586
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 8: I listened to Miami Sound Machine Police, Oh Boy, Cindy Lauper,

587
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 8: I know her song's word for word. I listened to

588
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 8: Phil Collins, and even on my first album, I did

589
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 8: the cover. I think it was my first album, I

590
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 8: did a cover of Against All Odds. Literally, I've been

591
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 8: a fan of I mean, my first concert was Katrina

592
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 8: and the Waves and Wham, you know. So on one side,

593
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 8: I've got this, you know, real interesting. The radio station

594
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 8: in LA was the Mighty sixth ninety, which was kind

595
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 8: of this Madonna, you know, super pre MTV kind of

596
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 8: musical style. And then on the other hand, of course,

597
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 8: I have my Whitney Houston, Luther Vandroz, Freddie Jackson, Line, Ritchie,

598
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 8: you know. And then being brought up in old school music,

599
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 8: the Eisley Brothers, the Gap Band, like, I've just got

600
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 8: this entire.

601
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 6: Hoot pory of songs.

602
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 8: Then hip hop comes and it hits, and then I'm

603
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 8: not trying to figure out how can I take all

604
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 8: of these other pieces of music and then tie hip

605
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 8: hop in to bring all of those things together. This

606
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 8: is interesting. I did a song with Coolio, who's passed away.

607
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 6: Now.

608
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 8: I did a song with Coolio called Payback, and the

609
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 8: song Payback I think has thirteen samples in that song,

610
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 8: Oh my god, because I at the time sampling was

611
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 8: like a really big deal, and my sampling was singing

612
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 8: other people's melodies and songs as I was trying to

613
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 8: pay to other artists. So I would say, you know,

614
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 8: I think in that song the second verse, I can't

615
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 8: say everything I said back then, but I said, girl,

616
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 8: it feels like payback. I really really hate to say that.

617
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 8: I thought you were trifling giving me this show, but

618
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 8: you're gonna miss You're gonna miss my love. And when

619
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 8: I said that, that was lou Ross. And then I said, oh,

620
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 8: golly Waller. She was raising hell a slick red. She

621
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 8: was so well unfaithful, which was full force.

622
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 6: Way back. I was cheating. Don't want to get either.

623
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 6: But I ain't going out like that. I ain't going

624
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 6: out like that. I ain't. That was the sin look

625
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 6: in the.

626
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 10: Hispanic rap group Cypress Hills. You know, if I apologize

627
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 10: for all the lies, oh forgive me, girl, I'm sorry.

628
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 10: There's a ride in it wrong with a Love somebody

629
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 10: Keith Sweat, So I literally in that verse like I

630
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 10: was just like coming with punch line up to punch

631
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 10: up the punch line.

632
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 8: Like it a rapper would do. But I was trying

633
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 8: to take rappers disabilities. And then at my pop and

634
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 8: hip hop and musical references R and B references in

635
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 8: and hip hop helped me pull ittles things together.

636
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: Wow, unbelievable. I know, I'm believable. I mean, I'm going

637
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: to go off of your unbelievable answer and ask you

638
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: this question. I have two sons I have. They are

639
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: three and five, and I think you're the only person

640
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: in the world who can answer this for me. When

641
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: do they become big g's. Right now, they are lowercase cheese.

642
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering when I can expect capitalization.

643
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, I love that.

644
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 6: That's such a great question. I am.

645
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 8: I have sons who are thirty five, twenty one, and

646
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 8: twenty and the twenty and the twenty one and twenties

647
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 8: are still lowercase g's.

648
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: Later than I expected.

649
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 6: Okay, capitalization has not happened yet. I have a thirty

650
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 6: five year.

651
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 8: Old son and he is he is borderline capital G.

652
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 6: Okay, uppercase t with me. He's a big G.

653
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: He's a big g Now, Okay, I didn't know if

654
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: it was like thirteen like a bar mitzvah or something,

655
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: it's not going to happen.

656
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 6: That it's not going to happen. Then I want to

657
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 6: break your heart on that.

658
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, I know, I this is the kind

659
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: of this is what I was hoping for. It Now

660
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I now I know the expectation.

661
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 6: So Gedam comes a little a little later on.

662
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: Okay, getam.

663
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: Okay, So a couple of a couple of questions ago,

664
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: you threw out this.

665
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 4: My wife negotiated my contract for me, and yeah, so

666
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 4: I want to hear more about this.

667
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 6: How so your wife.

668
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: Was managing your career? Did you meet her at Pepperdine?

669
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 3: How did this happen?

670
00:35:59,200 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 5: What's that?

671
00:35:59,640 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 6: How did that?

672
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 8: I met my wife before I got my record deal.

673
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:11,240
Speaker 8: I met her in nineteen ninety one. I had finished college.

674
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 8: She was still in college. We met at a fraternity

675
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 8: sorority party at a place called the Cockatoo Inn, which

676
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 8: was a little club near lax In, La. I saw her.

677
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 8: I was inside the club and I saw her walk by.

678
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 8: My wife is six feet tall, but I think that

679
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 8: night she had on like three inch heels. She had

680
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 8: long hair at the time. And literally, I don't know

681
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 8: if you remember the television show with Linda Carter, the

682
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 8: show Wonder Woman, and they had all the women that

683
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 8: were Amazon's on that island and I saw her and

684
00:36:53,400 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 8: I was like, one got away, one of the Amazons. Yeah,

685
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 8: and I said, I'm gonna catch me one. And so

686
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 8: she came inside my friend who happened to know her

687
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 8: from college at Sonoma State. He introduced us, He introduced us,

688
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 8: She cared not whether I lived or died. And it

689
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 8: was literally like one of the most awkward moments because

690
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 8: my friend and her friend connected and said on let's

691
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 8: go dance. And they left us there in this club

692
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 8: to kind of talk to each other. And so I'm like, hey,

693
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 8: so what do you like to do And She's like nothing.

694
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: Please don't talk to me.

695
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 8: It was really that And so literally, for probably about

696
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 8: twenty five to thirty minutes, we sat in this club.

697
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 8: People were dancing, they were partying, having a good time.

698
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 8: I'm sitting there and she is giving me no rhythm.

699
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 8: Is there anything you're interested in?

700
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 6: Nothing? Really, And I'm like God, and the challenge is

701
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 6: you guys.

702
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 8: I was a popular guy, like I'm so the fraternity thing,

703
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 8: I was like, this is my mac daddy vibe.

704
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 6: I'm giving you here, this is I'm giving and there

705
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 6: was nothing. And so.

706
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 8: I finally was like, are you are you sure you

707
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 8: don't want to dance? And she said to me if

708
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 8: I dance with you, will you leave me alone?

709
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 5: Never a good sign.

710
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 8: And I said, I'm thinking to myself always, so you're

711
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 8: saying I got a chance.

712
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 10: Right.

713
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 8: So we go out, we dance, and I'm giving it

714
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 8: my my everything. I'm full blown running man Motown, Philly,

715
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 8: like I'm going in. And at that point I embarrassed

716
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 8: her out on the floor to the point and she's like, okay, okay, okay,

717
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 8: stop stop, let's let's go talk.

718
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 6: Let's just let's talk. Now. We talked.

719
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 8: We exchanged numbers. Somehow I was able to get the number.

720
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 8: I broke man rule one forty seven, which is well,

721
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 8: waited two days two days. I didn't wait the full

722
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 8: three day rule. Okay, But I called her and we

723
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 8: set up a double date and she came and saw me,

724
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 8: and it was it was wild because she would tell

725
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 8: you that she did not even see me the first

726
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 8: night that we met, and so it leads me to

727
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 8: believe that sometimes it takes the second time to meet

728
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 8: somebody for the first time. And so we had one

729
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 8: of those instances where she saw me the second time

730
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 8: and our friend was like, dang, he fine, I chose

731
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 8: the wrong one, and she was like, you showed it.

732
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 8: And so we talked, we hung out and became really

733
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 8: best friends and we have we have been married now

734
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 8: for thirty years.

735
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: Wow, congratulations to each other.

736
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love it.

737
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 11: And so how did the management component come about? Management

738
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 11: was once we started dating. And remember I just coming

739
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 11: out of I'd come out of college. I'm working at

740
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 11: a company now, she's still in college. I'm taking this

741
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 11: journey where I'm like, Okay, if I'm going to try

742
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 11: and do this music thing, let me try and do

743
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 11: it now before trying to go to law school.

744
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 8: So I got a job. I am now working on

745
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 8: doing demo tapes and doing talent shows. She is in

746
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 8: a singing group that we had at the time, and

747
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 8: I'm now producing this group with a bunch of other girls.

748
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 8: But we would put them like in talent shows, and

749
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 8: then I would enter the talent show as well, and

750
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 8: then I would win the talent show.

751
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,439
Speaker 6: And then my wife is like, at some point, why

752
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 6: are we.

753
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 8: In the same boat of doing this and we're going

754
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 8: to keep losing to this guy. This doesn't make sense.

755
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 8: So rather than try and compete against me, let me

756
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 8: just manage him.

757
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: So I'm so smart. She's like, we're putting all of

758
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: our eggs in the wrong basket.

759
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 8: Exactly exactly. But she you know, I trust, I trust her.

760
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 8: I trusted her, and I trust her, and so at

761
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 8: that time, you know, there were once I finally did

762
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 8: get a record deal, people that were interested in helping

763
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 8: me and signing me to deals. There were other people

764
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 8: who were very big name managers and big name lawyers,

765
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 8: but I didn't know them and I didn't trust them,

766
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 8: and so I took my shot with somebody that I trusted,

767
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 8: that I figured could learn the business over somebody who

768
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 8: knew the business but I didn't know.

769
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 6: If I could trust.

770
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 8: And so that's how she became my manager early on.

771
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 8: And that management went through a bunch of different you

772
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 8: know stages. What was her and a couple of friends

773
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,240
Speaker 8: and her and one of my friends.

774
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 6: And X Y and Z until it finally got down

775
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 6: to you know, just the two of us shout out

776
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:43,839
Speaker 6: to Bill Withers, just the two of us.

777
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you mentioned that obviously your wife banked on

778
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: you when she said part of her your contract was

779
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: that if you sold a million records, they were going

780
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: to pay off your student loan debt. You also mentioned

781
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: a DJ named Paul who lived near you, and you

782
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 1: say in the song sell a million records and were

783
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: making the dash. Who is Paul.

784
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, DJ p that's Paul Stewart.

785
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 8: Paul is a very instrumental part of my career. He

786
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 8: was one of the guys who at the time before

787
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 8: I got the record deal with def Jam, he was

788
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 8: connected to a filmmaker named John Singleton. John Singleton very

789
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 8: very famously for Boys in the Hood. He also happened

790
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 8: to be my fraternity brother.

791
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 5: He was your fraternity brother.

792
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's a capital from USC I think he was.

793
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: Is he still the youngest Academy Award nominee?

794
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 5: I think I think he's still twenty three. When he

795
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: did Boys in the Hood something like that, he fought

796
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 5: to have the film made. It as an absolutely incredible story.

797
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: It's about how Boys in the Hood came to be

798
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: a really amazing story.

799
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 8: It's phenomenal and John was a great, great guy he

800
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 8: pledged me when I came into my fraternity had been

801
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,000
Speaker 8: in like a year or two before me, which was

802
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 8: pretty cool, and uh, it wasn't cool because that yeah,

803
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 8: pledging of fraternity was Yeah, that's a long story.

804
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 6: That's for another pod. But but I didn't know John.

805
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 8: I knew him well, uh, to the point of where

806
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 8: he was really into filmmaking. He wanted to go into

807
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 8: He had a company called New Deal New Deal Productions, uh,

808
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 8: and he was wanting to get into music, and so

809
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 8: he was trying to put out New Deal Records at

810
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 8: the time. And because I knew him, I was going

811
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 8: to try and sign with him. And Paul at the

812
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 8: time was John's head of A and R. He was

813
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 8: the head of finding musical talent. And then at that time,

814
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 8: you know, the music businesses cutthroat, and I think Russell

815
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 8: Simmons was trying to get artists out of the West

816
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 8: Coast to come and be a part of deftam out

817
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 8: on the East coast, and so h somehow Paul made

818
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 8: his way outside of John's New Deal Records got him

819
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 8: an imprint called Power Move Power Move Productions, which is

820
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 8: pimp p and p uh and uh he asked me

821
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 8: if I wanted to come and be a part of

822
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 8: his record label, of his production company. I told him no,

823
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 8: I'm rocking with John. But understanding, like I said, John

824
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 8: was very very film driven. He was not musical. And

825
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 8: in all that time I spent months and months and

826
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 8: months trying to get connected, trying to get put on.

827
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 6: It just didn't happen.

828
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 8: And at some point I just reached out to Paul

829
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 8: and I was like, hey, if I give you a demo,

830
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 8: you know, will you take it to Russell? And Russell

831
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 8: heard a ratty demo of mine and I got signed

832
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 8: kind of on the spot in New York City. So,

833
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 8: but Paul, Paul was that was That's why he was memorialized.

834
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 8: That memorialized, but he is immortalized in the song This

835
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 8: is how we do it, you know, live the DJ

836
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 8: and Paul was his name. He came up to money.

837
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 8: This is what he said, you know, Ji, gonna make

838
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 8: some cash, sell a million records and we're making the

839
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 8: dash And I just said that, but I didn't know,

840
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 8: you know, a million going to go.

841
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: He was clairvoyant.

842
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 9: You were clairvoyant, Yeah, you know, prophetic he I think, Okay,

843
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 9: so this is Funny Depjam is celebrating their forty year

844
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 9: anniversary this year, and This Is How We Do It

845
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 9: is celebrating it's thirty year anniversary in twenty twenty five,

846
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 9: and my song this is How We Do It.

847
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 6: Your song Dade.

848
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 8: Is actually a certified seven million albums.

849
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 1: So I known million.

850
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: How I know nothing of the music industry at all.

851
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: So how how long does it take from getting signed

852
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: to then recording to then people being able to buy

853
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 2: your album?

854
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 5: How long a process is that?

855
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,400
Speaker 8: Well, the only way I can answer that as I

856
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 8: can say, I can say how long was that? Because

857
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 8: people don't really buy albums anymore? They don't really exist anymore.

858
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 8: And so the fact that an album actually exists to

859
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 8: this day, it's more so. You know, I was in

860
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 8: the studio last night recording a Christmas song that I

861
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 8: think is gonna be phenomenal, and I'm there with this

862
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 8: great big SSL board and the musician ship. I had

863
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 8: live musicians come in and do X, Y and Z,

864
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 8: and none of that exists anymore. It's almost like, if

865
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 8: you have a computer and a good set of of software,

866
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 8: you can create almost anything just in a you know,

867
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 8: in a computer now, and so you could do an album.

868
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 8: You know some guys that a rap album. You can

869
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 8: have guys send you ten tracks and you wrap over

870
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 8: ten tracks and put together an album. You can put

871
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 8: it up on disctro Kid later tonight. So the the

872
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 8: sweat equity and the authenticity I think that goes into

873
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 8: the creation of an album is one of the things

874
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 8: that may have been lost in the technology advancements to

875
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 8: be able to have, you know, to be able to

876
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 8: get music out quicker and more streamlined. But let me

877
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 8: say this, I think one of the beautiful parts about

878
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 8: musicianship that I loved, the same thing that I got

879
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:13,280
Speaker 8: from my church upbringing, the same thing that I got

880
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 8: from being in the studio yesterday, is when you're in person.

881
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 8: I mean, even as we're using technology and we're laughing

882
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 8: and we're connecting, but there's just something different when you're

883
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 8: in the room. If I could literally be in the

884
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 8: room to hug your face and hug your neck and

885
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 8: actually tangibly feel you know, energy and warmth, and those

886
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,320
Speaker 8: are things that cannot be replicated. They can't be duplicated.

887
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 8: And even if somebody watches your followers, they watch this

888
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 8: pod and they feel everything that the feels that are

889
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,839
Speaker 8: coming from these stories. There's still something different about being

890
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 8: in the room. And I think that's the element when

891
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 8: people say what's different about music from then to music

892
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 8: from now?

893
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 6: The music?

894
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 8: Then you were in the room and there were things

895
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 8: happening in the room. There were stories that happened when

896
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 8: I was in the room that, yeah, I could take

897
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 8: a laugh track or I could take this track and

898
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 8: put the feel of it into a formatted song, but

899
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 8: there was just something magical that happened about being in

900
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 8: the room.

901
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to know what it was like

902
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: to be in the room the night of the Grammys

903
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: when you were nominated for This Is How We Do It?

904
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: You were up against DiAngelo, Prince, Barry White, and Stevie Wonder,

905
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 1: and Stevie Wonder won that evening. But I want to know,

906
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: what do you remember from that night? It had to

907
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:58,760
Speaker 1: have been insane.

908
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 8: I thought to myself, Stevie, who you know, how intimidating

909
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 8: you know to you know, this was one of those

910
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 8: things where when you when you hear people say, oh,

911
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 8: it's just good to be nominated, this was really it's

912
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 8: just good to be nominated, because when you throw on

913
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 8: names like Prince and Stevie Wonder around like that was

914
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 8: that was huge. So just to be in that company

915
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 8: was a very, very, a very big deal.

916
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 6: I think that.

917
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 8: That was one of the most memorable nights for me

918
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 8: because we had recorded a song to help raise funds

919
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 8: for cancer earlier that day and it was like a

920
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 8: who's who of everybody was in the room. Curtis Mayfield

921
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 8: was still alive at that time, and you know, you

922
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,320
Speaker 8: had all these artists that came together to record that song.

923
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 8: And then later that night after the Grammys were in

924
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 8: New York City in Laura, Manhattan at a club called

925
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 8: the Soul Cafe. And at the Soul Cafe, I can

926
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 8: remember being in there and I looked around the room

927
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 8: and Isaac Hayes was in there and Melissa Morgan, like

928
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 8: it was a who's who of the music business, Roy

929
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,720
Speaker 8: Ayers and Wynton Marcellis and just all these amazing people,

930
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 8: and they called me up on the stage to sing.

931
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 8: So this to me was almost bigger than the nomination

932
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:31,080
Speaker 8: because now I'm in this who's who of the music

933
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 8: business in this like intimate room and they asked me

934
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 8: to come up on the stage to sing, and so

935
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 8: I came up and I sang live with the band

936
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 8: I had never played with before. I did Bobby Caldwell's

937
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 8: song what You Want to Do for Love Against she

938
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 8: wondered where up then? And did that song live. And

939
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 8: then as I'm finishing the song, I can look at

940
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 8: the back of the room and I can see Stevie

941
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 8: Wonder walking. He has this guy with him and he's

942
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 8: walked looking towards the stage, and all I could think

943
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 8: is Montelle, get the hell off the stage.

944
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 6: Stevie Wonders make coming.

945
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 8: And as he's coming up the stairs, I'm trying to

946
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 8: go down the stairs. His guy says to me. He

947
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 8: leans over, he says, Stevie wants you to stay. And

948
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 8: so Stevie Wonder comes on stage. He sits down on

949
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 8: the piano and he starts giving the ladies in the

950
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,839
Speaker 8: room a note to sing, a melody to sing, and

951
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 8: he gives the guys a melody to sing, and he's

952
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 8: got the guys singing, the girls singing. I'm there on

953
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 8: stage with Stevie Wonder, and all I could remember is

954
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,280
Speaker 8: after we left the club that night, we were walking

955
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 8: to the car or to the cabin Manhattan, and blocks

956
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 8: away you could hear the girls still singing that melody

957
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 8: and guys were still singing that melody in the streets

958
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,120
Speaker 8: of New York City. And so that for me, that

959
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 8: Grammy Knight was a night I performed with Stevie Wonder.

960
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 8: It was a night I remember thinking to myself, I

961
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 8: don't want to die. But if this was the night,

962
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:03,439
Speaker 8: then it happened. I'm good, pretty good right here.

963
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 10: Wow.

964
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: As you mentioned, you and your beautiful wife Kristen have

965
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: been married for thirty years. You recently released a book

966
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 1: called This Is How We Do It, making your marriage

967
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 1: a masterpiece. If you had one piece of advice for couples,

968
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: what do you think it would be?

969
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 8: One piece of advice for couples? And that's tough because

970
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 8: when you write a book, there's a bunch of lot. Yeah,

971
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 8: but I think if I had to give one piece

972
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 8: of advice, I would say, don't go into marriage with

973
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 8: an exit strategy. And I think a lot of people

974
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 8: enter marriage and they're always thinking, if this doesn't work,

975
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 8: here's what I'll do, or here's where I'll draw the line.

976
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 8: If this ever happens, then I'm I'm out. And so

977
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 8: no one is ever thinking how do I make this

978
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,479
Speaker 8: last forever, and how do I make this the best

979
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 8: forever possible? And so just that mental shift of not

980
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 8: where's the line drawn of where I can be out

981
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 8: or what would be the final that the strata breaks

982
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 8: the camel's back, or what is the thing that's unimaginable

983
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 8: that this ever happened?

984
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 6: Then I would.

985
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 8: But from that standpoint, I think that if people thought

986
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,279
Speaker 8: to themselves, how do I make this last forever? Opposed

987
00:53:30,320 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 8: to what is my what is my out right? I

988
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 8: think that and my wife and I've gotten some flat

989
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 8: from this statement, but we say a divorce is an

990
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 8: option for you.

991
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 6: You have too many options.

992
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 8: And I know people will say, well, you know, but

993
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 8: you know, that's what if you live with a narcissist

994
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 8: or whatever there is abuse, or what if there's this,

995
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 8: and and we don't make that statement for you to

996
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 8: stay with a narcissist, And we don't make that statement

997
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 8: for you to stay in an abusive relationship.

998
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 6: We don't we don't believe any of that. But we

999
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 6: do believe.

1000
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 8: That if there is an option that's placed on the table,

1001
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 8: it now becomes something that's usable for both parties.

1002
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 6: And so if there's a.

1003
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 8: Way to to make sure that you're looking for eternity

1004
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 8: opposed to looking at an exit strategy.

1005
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:22,839
Speaker 6: I think that's probably the most important thing.

1006
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 1: I love that so true story and a little secret here.

1007
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,640
Speaker 1: I was asked to do the first season of Special Forces,

1008
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: and I contemplated doing it.

1009
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 6: I am best.

1010
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 5: To you that then I win.

1011
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: The first season came out and I saw that you

1012
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: had done it. I had full fomo. I was like,

1013
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: I can't.

1014
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 5: Believe I didn't do it.

1015
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: I am normally so quick to say no to reality

1016
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: TV shows, but that one really interested me. I was like, ooh,

1017
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: I like I I like this idea of seeing how

1018
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: truly inner tough you are. Now you got injured very early,

1019
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: but you were my pick to win it.

1020
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 8: All, so I appreciate that I was my pick to

1021
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 8: win it all too. No, I think what was crazy

1022
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 8: is for me. I don't like heights, I don't swim like.

1023
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 8: There were just tons of things that made me want

1024
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 8: to say no to this, But there were things in

1025
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 8: ministry and things that would happen in my life that

1026
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 8: said I have to try and conquer these fears, and

1027
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 8: so I can remember you know I was there, or

1028
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 8: I think like the first three days. But on the

1029
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 8: television show, because you have sixteen people and sixteen different

1030
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 8: lives and you got an hour to tell a story,

1031
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,280
Speaker 8: you only can get like snippets of bits and pieces

1032
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 8: of people's story. And so I can remember I knew

1033
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 8: that I went home fifth out of the sixteen after

1034
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,799
Speaker 8: breaking my hand. I think they had me go home

1035
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 8: fourth in the telling of the story.

1036
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 1: Got it.

1037
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 8: But man, I can remember after after the first day,

1038
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,319
Speaker 8: I remember thinking to myself, I can win this, like

1039
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 8: I thought to myself, I did.

1040
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 6: We jumped out of the helicopter backwards into the red

1041
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 6: sea the first day. Yeah, so I remember thinking to myself,

1042
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 6: you know what, I can do this. I could, I

1043
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 6: could probably do this.

1044
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: I got over fear of the water, and.

1045
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 8: You know, and so I don't know if you can

1046
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 8: see it, but let me see it. You can't really

1047
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 8: tell now, but I steal my hand very very protruded

1048
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 8: from from breaking my hand because I didn't know how to

1049
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 8: throw a punch properly. But that was it was kind

1050
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 8: of devastating being over there and preparing to get over there,

1051
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 8: and really getting to a point where I thought to myself,

1052
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 8: you know, it's the same marriage philosophy that I thought

1053
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 8: to myself, you know, I just said, don't go in

1054
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 8: with an exit strategy. I initially went in thinking, well,

1055
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 8: I just don't want to be the first one to

1056
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 8: go home. I just don't want to be the first one.

1057
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 8: And then after like two people, but after that first day,

1058
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 8: I was like, you know what, I could probably do this.

1059
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 8: And then that's when I broke my hand, like at

1060
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 8: the end of the second day, and I was like, oh,

1061
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 8: you gotta be kidding me here. So but I'm still

1062
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 8: close friends with Nastia.

1063
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 6: And mel By.

1064
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 8: Our girl uh is having a baby now, my soccer girl.

1065
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 6: I came.

1066
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 8: Coo and I'm drawing a blank on her name right now,

1067
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 8: but it'll come back to me in just a second.

1068
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: But you made friendships on that show that have lasted.

1069
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 6: Absolutely.

1070
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: That could have been me.

1071
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 2: That could have been me, you got, Yeah, you could

1072
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 2: have been You could have been friends in real life,

1073
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 2: not just on the screen.

1074
00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 6: You will be on the text stream together. It'll be happening.

1075
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: I think you could still add me, just even though

1076
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't there.

1077
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 2: Like, hey, guys, Danielle is okay with heights and swimming.

1078
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 2: She does have a fear of helicopters in the Red Sea,

1079
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: so that would be very difficult.

1080
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 5: Weird, she's got weird phobias.

1081
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's all good.

1082
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 8: But if you if you have heights and water, aren't

1083
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,640
Speaker 8: aren't like something that you're fearful of?

1084
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 6: You know?

1085
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 8: Like I said, if I had been able to stay

1086
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 8: on the show later, I think, like the fire stuff

1087
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 8: and the driving stuff, I may have been able to

1088
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 8: to maybe do some of that. But I think God

1089
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 8: was saving me because the very next day after I

1090
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 8: went home, the episode where they dropped the jeeps into

1091
00:58:49,240 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 8: the water and you had to stay in the water

1092
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 8: for thirty seconds and they tap you and then you swim.

1093
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 6: Oh that would have that That may have been it

1094
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 6: for me right there right, I don't know.

1095
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh man, a great.

1096
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 6: Show, good people. Box did a great job with that one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So you have four children and now you are grandparents.

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Speaker 1: I know you have one son who plays football, a

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Speaker 1: daughter singing with you, two in church. When you look

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Speaker 1: back on your career, now, what is the biggest thing

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Speaker 1: you've learned and what are you most proud of?

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Speaker 6: What is the biggest thing I've learned and what am

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Speaker 6: I most proud of?

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Speaker 8: Okay, the probably the most valuable thing I have learned

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Speaker 8: is health is wealth. I think health health as well.

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Speaker 8: I think that of all my experiences in life and

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Speaker 8: this journey, I've been on everything that you kind of

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Speaker 8: do with your body, everything that you do, it's keeping it,

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Speaker 8: it's it's it's keeping counts, it's keeping a tally. And

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Speaker 8: so having good health, good mental health, good physical health, arms, knees, heart, lungs,

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Speaker 8: all those different things. You know, when you're young, you

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Speaker 8: think you're maybe a little invincible or whatever. And I think,

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Speaker 8: now I'm fifty five and a fifty five I'm recognizing

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Speaker 8: the value of health more probably than anything else in

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Speaker 8: this life at this point. So that's probably the most

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Speaker 8: valuable thing that I've learned. Of course, as amount of

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Speaker 8: faith I could give, you know, tremendous answers about having faith,

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Speaker 8: you know, at the forefront, but I think health is

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Speaker 8: also very very huge thing. And then the second product

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Speaker 8: question you asked me what am I most proud of?

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Speaker 8: I am And this is maybe maybe a weird thing

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Speaker 8: to be proud of, but all of my kids and

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Speaker 8: my grand kids have an affection for God. And I

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Speaker 8: don't know why that's super important to me, but you know,

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Speaker 8: when I think of my nana, who's now ninety five,

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Speaker 8: one of the greatest things she ever gave to me

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Speaker 8: was my faith where Christian and faith and so me

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Speaker 8: being brought up in a church and it was very

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Speaker 8: religious and stuff like that. But just even as I

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Speaker 8: came up and was able to learn about relationship over religion,

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Speaker 8: I think that that's what makes me the man. I

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Speaker 8: am the friend, I am the husband, I am the father,

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Speaker 8: I am the big papa that I am to my grandkids.

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Speaker 8: And now I'm watching them have their own seeking and

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Speaker 8: their own desire for something greater than themselves and greater

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Speaker 8: than other people, and them finding that in God for themselves,

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Speaker 8: and I think I'm probably most proud of that.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a more eloquent answer than what I'm going

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Speaker 1: to add. But I am also going to add for

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Speaker 1: you that you made a party song that promotes designated driving.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I mean, listen, I just got to count for

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Speaker 8: something right now.

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Speaker 1: That is not easy. It is a It is an

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Speaker 1: absolute party smash song and completely promotes designated driving. So

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Speaker 1: kudos to you for thirty years having that out there

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Speaker 1: being promoted. And I'm just as Will said, they it's

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Speaker 1: palpable my excitement that you're here. Such an honor to

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Speaker 1: have you. Thank you for spending your very valuable time

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Speaker 1: with us, and.

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Speaker 8: You are wonderful. I love y'all. You have no idea.

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Speaker 8: You are a part of my teenage hood years. And

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Speaker 8: I'm just grateful for your platform. I'm grateful for your

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Speaker 8: married I'm grateful for your lives and that you still

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Speaker 8: can bring joy, you know, to people's life into my life.

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Speaker 8: And I'm gonna Hey, don't know if you want to

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Speaker 8: do this, but I know I have a Special Forces

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Speaker 8: text stream, but I would be willing if you guys

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Speaker 8: wanted to and you want to do a pod pod

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Speaker 8: needs World textream, yeah, man, and like you can just

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Speaker 8: you can just randomly see how we text it.

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Speaker 6: Let's go, don't.

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Speaker 9: Play with my emotions, emotions starting it within minutes of super.

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Speaker 6: I'm super confidential.

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Speaker 8: We'll keep it amongst our be our thing, and you'll

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Speaker 8: be able to any point in time be like, yeah,

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Speaker 8: I got Montel Jordan on speed dial.

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Speaker 6: Just do that. Well, I don't know if that's really

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Speaker 6: how you do it.

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Speaker 2: Let me find out ryder and I will spend more

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Speaker 2: time next time talking to you we didn't want to

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Speaker 2: jump in.

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Speaker 5: And take this from Danielle. Essentially what happened.

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Speaker 1: I'll see Quiet on the text stream for a little

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Speaker 1: bit so you guys can talk to him.

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Speaker 8: Y'all are fantastic. Why do you have the coolest name ever?

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Speaker 8: Thanks shout out to your parents for doing that. I

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Speaker 8: got stuck with Montel it works, but a writer Jordan

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Speaker 8: would have been.

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Speaker 6: Pretty cool too.

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Speaker 8: But no, I'm grateful for you, guys, and thank you

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Speaker 8: for inviting me. I'm grateful to be a part of

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Speaker 8: your childhood. A part of your music is a part

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Speaker 8: of the soundtrack to our lives, and I get to

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01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 8: be a part of the soundtrack of your life in

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Speaker 8: the same way you're a part of my television life.

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Speaker 6: So just super glad we could connect.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sharing stories. So cool, so cool.

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Speaker 1: Thank you Monte guys.

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Speaker 6: I see you on the chat.

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Speaker 1: Okay, see you in.

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Speaker 5: The chat for real.

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Speaker 1: I can't believe I am in a text chat with

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Speaker 1: Monte Jordan. I mean, I did not.

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Speaker 5: I did not.

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Speaker 1: This was not on my bingo card. But boy, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: you're not yet.

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Speaker 5: Don't be too you gotta listain.

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Speaker 1: I'm counting it, he said, it two days.

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Speaker 5: He would never light to me, he would never waiting

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Speaker 5: two days.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to break and I'm going to text him

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Speaker 1: right now.

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Speaker 5: And told you what the bro code was. No, you're

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01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 5: not supposed to just say bro code. You're not supposed to.

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Speaker 1: Get into it now, I know.

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, yeah, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Take it back, can't take it back now.

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, what a good guy.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine getting on stage and singing with with

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 5: With Stevie Water. You're on stage with Stevie Wonder.

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Speaker 1: And the night you've been nominated.

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Speaker 5: Prince, I mean, man, what a night that would be?

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Speaker 6: Geez?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there are just some things where

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Speaker 1: it's like you think about his life and and where

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Speaker 1: he went, then his decision to go to Pepperdine and

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Speaker 1: then going to law school and saying but I can

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Speaker 1: do that later. I'm going to take a break right

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Speaker 1: now and focus on music, and then his debut album

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Speaker 1: selling going platinum, and then being nominated for a Grammy

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Speaker 1: all in that first year.

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Speaker 5: It's it's great.

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Speaker 6: It's crazy.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: You can't say that that was not absolutely always meant

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Speaker 1: for him, Like that's just so his that was just

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Speaker 1: so for it's just amazing.

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Speaker 2: But it's also the number of mentors he had that

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Speaker 2: were kind of from even from his church, from his schools.

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Speaker 5: From it, it just shows.

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Speaker 1: He's exactly that is exactly right, that he had to

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Speaker 1: have the discernment to know whether or not they were trustworthy.

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Speaker 1: Because we all have people, we all have probably a

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Speaker 1: million people who like to tell us what to do.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean you listen to all of them. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if I listened to everybody, maybe I have I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe that's part of the problem. But yeah, it's so crazy. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: that was thanks guys, thanks for thanks for letting me

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Speaker 1: live out.

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Speaker 3: That's such a good, cool, so amazing.

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01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:43,439
Speaker 1: That was so much fun.

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Speaker 5: Rider had Lisa lob come on, you had Montel Jordan

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Speaker 5: come on.

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01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: You know we got to get the Husker do wait

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Speaker 1: what is it?

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Speaker 5: Whisper whisper body?

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure screen that.

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Speaker 5: No, you said the Hoska Duties, which is a different

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01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 5: thing now, but you were.

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Speaker 6: Talking about the Whodoo voodoo?

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Speaker 5: What was the one you did? Very different?

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Speaker 6: Whos do is Bob mold right correct?

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, which is also sugar correct? Okay, I'm hit.

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Speaker 2: Look at your hit well's because I've made you listen

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Speaker 2: to it all the time in my car like you're

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Speaker 2: listening to Sugar.

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Speaker 5: You're listening to Sugar. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you all for joining us for this episode

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Speaker 1: of Pod Meets World. As always, you can follow us

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Speaker 5: Actually, Danielle, I think you should send us out today.

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