Speaker 1: Hey, guys, we are back with part two of Our
Speaker 1: Bachelor Happy Our Friends Giving. Everybody welcome Brian, Joe, Kendall, Eric,
Speaker 1: Taysha and Katie. We're gonna flip this around a little bit.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the legendary Bachelor feuds. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna start off with the most recent season, Luke P
Speaker 1: versus basically everyone in the house. What side are you on, guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, does anybody Luke P? I'm just confused how
Speaker 1: he has so much power in that house that I
Speaker 1: feel like he had all the power amongst all the guys.
Speaker 1: Definitely a power. Yeah, I didn't understand that. I was
Speaker 1: there the first night, and I mean barely there, but
Speaker 1: he was captivating and I thought he was going to
Speaker 1: take it to the end. So I can see how
Speaker 1: it was immediate threat type of power. Because when I
Speaker 1: saw him with Hannah, I was even shocked. And I
Speaker 1: feel like I have a pretty good intuition of about people,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, he's going to the end.
Speaker 1: Immediately their connection was just like a no brainer. So
Speaker 1: maybe that's how I don't know. Also, remember like five
Speaker 1: guys met Hannah. We had a time and you could
Speaker 1: totally see that there was like something there between Luke
Speaker 1: p and Hannah. The second I saw that, I was like,
Speaker 1: he's going to the end. Oh he was a cat.
Speaker 1: I hadn't watched the seat obviously the season how it
Speaker 1: started yet, but yeah, so maybe like everyone had seen
Speaker 1: that prior to even going to the show, and so
Speaker 1: they knew that there was already a little connection. I
Speaker 1: didn't know he was one of the guys that met
Speaker 1: her before he came up and like went like this
Speaker 1: to Chris Harrison, like right in between. And I think
Speaker 1: I think he was an easy target. Yes, basically, I
Speaker 1: think he just he was you know, it was easy
Speaker 1: to mess with him. And I think he would wear
Speaker 1: his emotions on the sleeve and everyone knew it and
Speaker 1: eventually it just snowball. Then it just became he was
Speaker 1: He took it so seriously and he put all of
Speaker 1: himself into it, and I think in that way, I
Speaker 1: think he really loved her. Like I think even when
Speaker 1: he said it at the beginning, I'm like, this guy's crazy,
Speaker 1: but I actually believe him. I really think he believe him. Joe,
Speaker 1: you didn't believe Tasia. Yeah, the air conditioning was on
Speaker 1: sixty five. I believe. Um. I think that there's not
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about when you're in the bachelor bubble.
Speaker 1: So that is why he was such of like polarizing.
Speaker 1: Well he is a polarizing figure, but there's just like
Speaker 1: what else you're gonna talk about. You're talking about Hannah,
Speaker 1: you're talking about your feelings, and you're talking about Luke
Speaker 1: p because he was just so much drama like that
Speaker 1: is he was very He was very bold, basically saying
Speaker 1: like this is my woman, right. So I think there's
Speaker 1: I think there's a different way, like when you he
Speaker 1: got the first impression roles. Correct, so I got the
Speaker 1: first impression roles, but I think there's a different way
Speaker 1: to handle it. I was very low key, I was humble.
Speaker 1: I wasn't boasting about getting the first impression roles or
Speaker 1: anything to the other guys in the house. I think
Speaker 1: so the fact that he got the first impression roles,
Speaker 1: he was a target. And then you add on that
Speaker 1: he's basically gonna let you know about it. Yeah that
Speaker 1: is oh sorry, I think that is what rubbed the
Speaker 1: people the wrong way. Yeah, he almost expected a little
Speaker 1: bit more after getting that first impression roles. I think
Speaker 1: that he went into one of her interview rooms or something,
Speaker 1: he was expecting her to give like even more attention.
Speaker 1: He was like, well, I'm entitled to this now because
Speaker 1: I know I'm at the top. And I think that
Speaker 1: started really rubbing people the wrong way. And then so
Speaker 1: they started nitpicking because all you gotta do is guide
Speaker 1: chats in that house. So you're gonna guid chat about
Speaker 1: Luke p you have nothing else to talk about. Well,
Speaker 1: I do believe just to feed off of Joe because
Speaker 1: he went home win well when home came back, but
Speaker 1: I think he was he was like, yeah, he was
Speaker 1: final four on four, but if he was like final two,
Speaker 1: I believe the final three he probably would have because
Speaker 1: she was convinced. Yeah, I was like, wow, I think
Speaker 1: if you would have been separated from the guys, how
Speaker 1: final four is it, the attention would no longer be
Speaker 1: on him and he would have just taken it to
Speaker 1: the top. Absolutely, So are you team Lucy or everyone else?
Speaker 1: It's hard because he was definitely ostracized, and because of that,
Speaker 1: I think everyone jumped on the bandwagon of I mean,
Speaker 1: it's a defense mechanism to try to be a part
Speaker 1: of a group because we find safety and groups. I
Speaker 1: feel like it was he was unjustifiably ganged up on.
Speaker 1: At the same time, he did not react the best. Um,
Speaker 1: But how do you react when you're backed into a corner.
Speaker 1: It's like the fight or flight. Either you're gonna back
Speaker 1: down or you're gonna puff up your chest and you're gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, show them for the man that you believe
Speaker 1: the new environment with all these people you don't even know,
Speaker 1: and to prove yourself like a blue he would be
Speaker 1: judged in a different way, so there really was no
Speaker 1: winning for him. I feel like we missed out on
Speaker 1: some scenes. I feel like there was more because they
Speaker 1: were the guys were so like passionate about their feelings
Speaker 1: towards him. I'm like, we're missing something, yeah, right, like
Speaker 1: there's something that someone from there that season and it
Speaker 1: was so passionate about him that we're missing some of
Speaker 1: the good said but she said it's yeah. She came
Speaker 1: out and said, we're missing some of the you know,
Speaker 1: like I saw, I know my relationship with him, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty to things that you guys aren't. So it goes
Speaker 1: both away. Hannah's not stupid. She wouldn't kept him around
Speaker 1: if it was only that exactly, and I think she
Speaker 1: wanted it to be him at the end for so long,
Speaker 1: and he kept on disappointing her, and she's like, stop it,
Speaker 1: just cool, yeah, stay cool, yes, stay cool, calm down.
Speaker 1: I see her side. I just like you stop it
Speaker 1: right now. I will say that remember when he went, um,
Speaker 1: she took him on the date and um, was it
Speaker 1: Santorini that they went? To make that up? It's grease.
Speaker 1: They weren't Greece. Um, And she took him on the
Speaker 1: date and they flew. I think they did it. They
Speaker 1: flew to Santorini. I don't know if I'm making that up,
Speaker 1: but okay, they flew to Santorini. The way he was
Speaker 1: with her, like when they were walking around town, I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, maybe this is what she sees that
Speaker 1: we don't, because he was really nice and really sweet,
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, he's different with her than he
Speaker 1: is with everyone else. Not a good characteristic But yeah.
Speaker 1: So I guess no team, because I can't really truly
Speaker 1: judge the situation because, like I watched the edit, I mean,
Speaker 1: we all did I guess what about did anyone? Did
Speaker 1: anyone watch my season happen intelligent. I remember that night
Speaker 1: so in Wisconsin and it's freezing cold and we're outside
Speaker 1: and it would have been beautiful. We could have enjoyed
Speaker 1: it if it hadn't been so cold. So anyways, it
Speaker 1: was that night that Taylor decided to confront Karine and
Speaker 1: she brought up this emotional intelligence and Karine was like,
Speaker 1: what is that? I have that with none of us.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what that meant at that time, and
Speaker 1: I think there was a line. I kept saying, what
Speaker 1: the fuck is emotional intelligence? We were like so out
Speaker 1: of it that night. Um, but that's what triggered it.
Speaker 1: But I guess there really was no basis. There were
Speaker 1: people who and I think you just have to be
Speaker 1: one or two ways now, so there were people who
Speaker 1: allow certain people's actions to affect them. Rather than to
Speaker 1: quote Hannah, staying in your own lane and just being
Speaker 1: you like the way Brian you said you were on
Speaker 1: the season, people would allow someone else's behavior to become
Speaker 1: to affect their behavior, and so that is what Taylor
Speaker 1: allowed Karinn to do. I really think Taylor could have
Speaker 1: gone a lot farther in the season if she had
Speaker 1: not let karinne get to her, and then it ultimately
Speaker 1: ended up being her demise and going home. I mean, I,
Speaker 1: honestly at the time was team Karnne because I was
Speaker 1: really close with Karann. It's just a relationship you just
Speaker 1: didn't see on camera. I understood her, I felt like
Speaker 1: better than most people and also took the time. People
Speaker 1: would have girls chats about Karnne and she wouldn't even
Speaker 1: be there, you know, and I was just like, I'm
Speaker 1: not participating in this mass. This is ridiculous. But I
Speaker 1: just think that at the time, just Taylor just let
Speaker 1: Karrene get the best of her, and she let her win.
Speaker 1: And I think Karinn knew that she had to hold
Speaker 1: on Taylor, and so she would poke a little bit
Speaker 1: when it would come to her, and you know, it worked,
Speaker 1: it end up getting her sent home. Yeah, dang, well,
Speaker 1: I have a real question before we go to the
Speaker 1: next few. When you guys want to show, did you
Speaker 1: see it as a competition, because I was always asked
Speaker 1: or you I was like, I don't see it as
Speaker 1: a competition, no, because when it comes to the real dating,
Speaker 1: like real world, when you're dating, um, it's not so
Speaker 1: much the person's going to like whoever they want to, like,
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can say or do or manipulate that's
Speaker 1: going to get them to choose you over some other person.
Speaker 1: So yeah, for the way I saw it, is like,
Speaker 1: if this is the person that I'm actually meant to
Speaker 1: be with, They're not going to let what other people
Speaker 1: say affect the relationship with me, don't it. It was
Speaker 1: more so like a test for me. But I did
Speaker 1: like the whole two on one with Crystal. I was like,
Speaker 1: either what she says is going to affect you when
Speaker 1: you're not the kind of person I want to be with,
Speaker 1: or it's not and we're gonna, you know, move on
Speaker 1: with our relationship. Yeah, there you go. Yea. In my head,
Speaker 1: I always thought Rachel's going to choose the best man
Speaker 1: for her, yes, And if it wasn't me, I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was an indictment on me. I just thought,
Speaker 1: you know what, my person is out there and it's
Speaker 1: not her, and it is what it is like. I
Speaker 1: gave my all to the process and she didn't pick me,
Speaker 1: so it is what it is like. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: have been heartbroken, but at the same time I knew
Speaker 1: that I gave it my all, so eventually time would
Speaker 1: have healed that. So I think speaking on like a
Speaker 1: person like Karen, and not to say Demi's like Karann,
Speaker 1: she would kill me if she heard me say that,
Speaker 1: But like Demi was very similar character in our house. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think like kind of like Demi and Tracy. It
Speaker 1: was like a similar situation. Like Demi knew she could
Speaker 1: poke at Tracy in that moment, and she wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done it if Tracy didn't allow her or didn't feel
Speaker 1: so affected by it in that moment. So like Demi
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, let's keep going. She's like that type
Speaker 1: of person. I think Karen had the same attitude. I
Speaker 1: think I commented on that. I was like, whatever I
Speaker 1: was saying, I was like that, how does Demi she's
Speaker 1: like twenty three years Like that is twenty three year
Speaker 1: old has that thirty year old crying at a closet? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, she really has a hold on her
Speaker 1: twenty four dim twenty four um a more recent feud,
Speaker 1: And I'd really like to get you guys opinion on
Speaker 1: this one, especially those who know them. Nicole and Clay,
Speaker 1: what's going on? Yes, what happened? I'm not going to
Speaker 1: speak on I didn't even know there was At the
Speaker 1: same time, I even told Nicole like, I'm staying out
Speaker 1: of this, Like, in my eyes, yeall are being petty.
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna bout doesn't she have a man? No?
Speaker 1: The room at the reunion, right, Okay, so she did
Speaker 1: had a boyfriend. Okay, so she was like talking to
Speaker 1: a guy that was in Miami. Yes, okay, so we
Speaker 1: can clear that up. I thought she had a man,
Speaker 1: And this whole time I was like, No, what is
Speaker 1: her man saying about this? Okay? No, well, what's it was?
Speaker 1: I don't even know what's this? Who are they? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I know who they are, but I know
Speaker 1: I know towards the end they broke up. So they
Speaker 1: broke up, so it should be done and over with.
Speaker 1: Right now, they're in this social media feud and I'm
Speaker 1: paraphrasing here, so correct me if I'm wrong, But basically
Speaker 1: they're just going at each other. I guess he's made
Speaker 1: some sly comments about her because the issue was that
Speaker 1: he wasn't ready to take their relationship to that level,
Speaker 1: and so he's made comments that play into that. And
Speaker 1: then she's made comments about him and his career and yeah,
Speaker 1: and now all the comments are simming from places of
Speaker 1: her and like it's people are starting to take low blows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just talking to it in front of every phone call.
Speaker 1: I mean, real conversation. Drama. It's a it's a fire
Speaker 1: that's only fed if you if you like, feed it
Speaker 1: like fuel. Right. I always talk about this when it
Speaker 1: comes to drama. Either you feed into it and you
Speaker 1: stoke the flame, or you just kind of don't react
Speaker 1: and it sizzles out, like it's such a refreshed Like
Speaker 1: in the social media world, everything's so refreshed and the
Speaker 1: next thing so quickly. It's like, you know, if you
Speaker 1: want it to keep going, you want there to be
Speaker 1: people talking about you keep going with it. And in
Speaker 1: certain ways, not that I have a lot of knowledge
Speaker 1: about the topic, it seems like maybe it's something that
Speaker 1: people are maybe holding onto. Yeah, you know, and I
Speaker 1: think that even if they don't want it to be drama,
Speaker 1: there's a sense of pride in both of them and
Speaker 1: like one person, yeah, you don't want to back down
Speaker 1: because now you you made a huge point or a
Speaker 1: huge statement. Both of them have made large statements and
Speaker 1: it's like you don't want the other person to seem
Speaker 1: like they won over you, per se, So yeah, they
Speaker 1: both look I just don't understand how people feel so
Speaker 1: big and bad by fighting with people over social media,
Speaker 1: Like how how like so you send an angry tweet
Speaker 1: or Instagram message or whatever, and you're like, ha, I
Speaker 1: told that case and no one would ever say it
Speaker 1: to your face exactly, Like that's like like, come at me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just I just don't
Speaker 1: understand the principle of arguing over social media. I really don't. Um.
Speaker 1: So I hope they stop. I hope they figure it
Speaker 1: out and they just separate. There's a reason it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. Now we're seeing it all play on social media,
Speaker 1: and I just hope that they can like, yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: talk without a lot of piece. YEA talk without an audience,
Speaker 1: because I feel like when you are talking in front
Speaker 1: of an audience, there's a need to perform and to
Speaker 1: showcase like your strength and also to protect your ego.
Speaker 1: And if you don't perform quote unquote in front of
Speaker 1: an audience, then you can become real people. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: don't think they've ever spoken like they haven't spoken, not
Speaker 1: truly because they did it through union in front of games.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's not real. They haven't like why didn't
Speaker 1: we say they would just talk? It would be one thing.
Speaker 1: I think Nicole's hurt. I think Clay has his own feelings,
Speaker 1: and I just feel like if they just were to
Speaker 1: like pick up phone just figure it out. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: did they not air them when they weren't aired on
Speaker 1: the They weren't aired on the But I think maybe
Speaker 1: because of that, because the audience didn't have like a
Speaker 1: button to end it, maybe they feel like they can't
Speaker 1: end it. They have to end it in front of
Speaker 1: an audience. You'll get a drink and talk about it,
Speaker 1: drink some wine. I feel because I get to prove everything.
Speaker 1: You feel like you have to almost prove yourself and
Speaker 1: prove your story to everyone who has an opinion about
Speaker 1: your story. Right, So like if there's things that you
Speaker 1: maybe if you solve argument with someone and it's all
Speaker 1: figured out, then the audience that fans haven't seen you
Speaker 1: figure see I haven't seen you figure it out. So
Speaker 1: you almost feel like you owe it to them, to
Speaker 1: them to like put this thing to bed. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you will never win that game. Or maybe you just
Speaker 1: want at tension so you talk about it on social media,
Speaker 1: you know. But I was in a I was in
Speaker 1: a feud with Vanessa and it wasn't aired, and but
Speaker 1: then it like kind of became um when I was
Speaker 1: on nixt season, and then it kind of became known
Speaker 1: because certain people from the season would talk about it,
Speaker 1: but neither one of us ever went on social media
Speaker 1: and went at each other. And actually she messaged me,
Speaker 1: like after time had passed and I had the bacherette,
Speaker 1: she messaged me. We got on the phone and we
Speaker 1: didn't even hash out We didn't even hash out what
Speaker 1: had happened because we're so many years past that. We
Speaker 1: just picked up where we were and had a conversation
Speaker 1: about it and wished each other the best and we're
Speaker 1: totally friendly and cool now. And I mean, like what
Speaker 1: a concept. Yeah, which, but time had to pass, we
Speaker 1: had to separate. It had to be the right time
Speaker 1: for us to be able to come to each other
Speaker 1: and work that out. Um, I just thought about something, Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm switching. I'm moving on from the unless anybody
Speaker 1: else wants talk about it. I just thought about something.
Speaker 1: So one of the things I was told. We get
Speaker 1: a lot of questions from people, you know who watched
Speaker 1: the show and are super fans, and one of them
Speaker 1: is always how do we know each other? How do
Speaker 1: we all meet? Because we always say this Bachelor nation
Speaker 1: world is small. And I remember as I was going
Speaker 1: to be a contestant on nixt season, a producer saying
Speaker 1: to me, and maybe it was after that film, be
Speaker 1: careful full. Past contestants will slide in your DMS and
Speaker 1: talk to you. So if anybody's feeling a little frisky,
Speaker 1: I want to know one did pass contestants from the
Speaker 1: office the opposite sex slide in your dms? And if so,
Speaker 1: who was it? Yeah, but I don't know. Yeah fine,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I feel bad. They said they know
Speaker 1: it was just really nice. Um I forty Alex Alex Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was so cool, but um yeah. He was like
Speaker 1: hopefully this you in paradise and I was like, yeah, same,
Speaker 1: I don't know you all right, anybody else the takers,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I don't know. I think at
Speaker 1: the time I was like this with Caroline, this is
Speaker 1: weird anyway, Okay, Well can you just say this. Do
Speaker 1: people slide in your dms? Yea Eric slid and your
Speaker 1: DM's about an event but that's also how we meet
Speaker 1: a lot of these people, right, Like, yeah, um, I'm
Speaker 1: really upset nobody who wanted to talk about who slid
Speaker 1: in my DMS. I'm trying to think it was. I
Speaker 1: honestly don't remember. They were contestants who didn't make it
Speaker 1: as far, but I remember when it happened, and I
Speaker 1: was like, they were right. It's almost as if they Cam, Well,
Speaker 1: it's easier because you said that. I'm like, Cam didn't slide.
Speaker 1: What happened was I when Joe and I did straight
Speaker 1: hand and Sarah and I we were talking about ABC
Speaker 1: always became his thing. I said, ABC stood for another
Speaker 1: bad comb over? Remember that credit to Cam. He actually
Speaker 1: took that really well. And he wrote me and he said,
Speaker 1: you know, like another back come over and like showed
Speaker 1: himself from the TV and like laughed about it. And
Speaker 1: I was like, wait to be a good sport and
Speaker 1: realize it's all in fun and it's very personal. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't like a like that. I think people are
Speaker 1: at this point. People are afraid to slide an idea
Speaker 1: because they're afraid not just because I'm married, because I
Speaker 1: don't know, they think maybe I'll use it as content
Speaker 1: on the podcast or something like I just did, Alex.
Speaker 1: I think there is like you feel like you are
Speaker 1: connected to the people who are on previous seasons, and
Speaker 1: if you've gone through it and you see other people
Speaker 1: go through it, then you, I mean there's a need
Speaker 1: or a want to like reach out and to be
Speaker 1: like it's gonna be okay. So yeah, yeah, it's easier.
Speaker 1: It's easier to flirt. Okay, that's what it is. It's
Speaker 1: easier to flirt because honestly, if you slide into somebody's
Speaker 1: DMS that's been on the same show as you, the
Speaker 1: odds are they're probably going to get back to you
Speaker 1: opposed if you just slide on some random person's DM. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's really what it is. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: an easier way to say hello. Yeah, the ice is
Speaker 1: broken up. Yeah, the ices are exactly. I saw you
Speaker 1: kiss someone on TV. Yeah. But piggyback on what you
Speaker 1: said though about you know, you see these people come
Speaker 1: through the show, they have have had your experience. Do
Speaker 1: you feel that because we're about to have a whole
Speaker 1: new crop of girls. I'm talking to the ladies in
Speaker 1: the room right now, a whole new crop of girls
Speaker 1: come in with Peter season. Do you feel like you
Speaker 1: need to reach out to them? No? I mean no,
Speaker 1: I feel like I usually don't. I'm the kind of
Speaker 1: person that unless I meet you in person, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to kind of like open up and to
Speaker 1: speak on messages and stuff like that. Um And also,
Speaker 1: I don't really look at the hidden dms because you know,
Speaker 1: and I wait to follow people until, like I get
Speaker 1: to know them a little bit more. Um So, in
Speaker 1: that regard, I don't feel like I do feel like
Speaker 1: maybe some of the girls would reach out to people
Speaker 1: that they saw had similar circumstances, you know, and the
Speaker 1: hidden dms it could be some business opportunities. For a year,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know they existed. I know. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: took me a good whole year to even know about that.
Speaker 1: And that's after the show. So I'm like, I probably
Speaker 1: missed out on a ton of opportunities because I didn't
Speaker 1: know about that these people. Yeah, yes, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: I realized that later as well. Oh it's hard for
Speaker 1: me because when I when contestants that are coming up
Speaker 1: do reach out, it's it's weird. It's like I want
Speaker 1: to give advice, but at the same time. I think
Speaker 1: and Joe and I talked about this on a previous episode.
Speaker 1: People are so quick to throw the word friend around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like I get nervous. It's like, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: we're best friends, but you know, I'm here to give
Speaker 1: you advice or reach out and then because then if
Speaker 1: you don't, people think you're not friends. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's like a weird place because the show's
Speaker 1: been on for seventeen years, and I imagine it's going
Speaker 1: to be on for at least another seventeen years. So
Speaker 1: it's like, are you supposed to be best friends with
Speaker 1: every single person that comes from the show? Yeah, acquaintances me, Yeah,
Speaker 1: But I mean if somebody on the show asked me
Speaker 1: for your advice, I give it and you see it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: same first night, or asked for Joe's advice, Yeah, I asked,
Speaker 1: how do I have your path? Yes to phenomenal, Gotta
Speaker 1: make one, Joe, honestly, stay out on my lane. Right,
Speaker 1: just leave it at Eric. I'll ask you this question, Um,
Speaker 1: why do you think the Bachelorette seasons have been more
Speaker 1: successful than the Bachelor? And even I'll even throw since
Speaker 1: we have paradise at the table. Why do you think
Speaker 1: the paradise relationships are successful, because also have been just
Speaker 1: as if not more so. When you say successful, you
Speaker 1: mean in the sense of together staying together. Yeah. Not.
Speaker 1: They don't have to be married because you guys are
Speaker 1: a strong couple of feel I've been watching the way
Speaker 1: he talked about you on the podcast. No no, no, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had or listen to that too. Joe and I
Speaker 1: are too close in a good way. Any argument Joe
Speaker 1: starts playing the podcast. Oh he, Joe's on any sort
Speaker 1: of interview or podcast he like. I'll see him like
Speaker 1: listening to it again, and then we'll listen to it
Speaker 1: and listen to it a few times. It's cute. That's
Speaker 1: not true. I don't listen to all of it. In
Speaker 1: the beginning. Yeah, in the beginning it was even worse
Speaker 1: because I used to give some bad interviews. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think in general, I think men in general, it
Speaker 1: takes us time to emotionally mature, and some guys that
Speaker 1: get in that space, their life changes. And you have
Speaker 1: all these opportunities, and you have distractions, and if you're
Speaker 1: not emotionally mature, mentally mature, and you don't understand life
Speaker 1: for relationships. You might not be in it for what
Speaker 1: it is because in the moment, let's be clear, we're
Speaker 1: in a fantasy world of dating on the show, even
Speaker 1: though we're in love or we're But when you get
Speaker 1: outside of that, you gotta look at real life and
Speaker 1: what's real and what's not. What's this because I was
Speaker 1: in a state of love, this is why I fell
Speaker 1: in love? Or is this something I really want? Because
Speaker 1: you don't know until you know. And I think most
Speaker 1: men were just not emotionally mature at what twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty eight, maybe thirty two, thirty three, maybe
Speaker 1: some younger, depending on how they were raised. But it
Speaker 1: takes time. I got you know you guys, Brian Rachel
Speaker 1: like I grew on a show, like she grew up
Speaker 1: my beard and everything. My life changed. But I learned
Speaker 1: so much about myself and just opening up and being vulnerable.
Speaker 1: And I think the date right before Hometowns, I was
Speaker 1: so afraid to tell her where I grew up. I
Speaker 1: was like, She's like, she's not gonna like I was
Speaker 1: all in my head and then she's like, oh fine,
Speaker 1: I was like wow. And so it's those parts of
Speaker 1: a man and being vulnerable and opening up that we're
Speaker 1: insecure about because we don't know and whom were like,
Speaker 1: just tell me everything. Yeah, okay, yeah, and you're like,
Speaker 1: really we are. And so men just need more time
Speaker 1: to develop, I believe, and when you put on a
Speaker 1: big stage like that is hard. So to the guys,
Speaker 1: that's you know, the recent Bachelor is about, you know,
Speaker 1: hopefully you guys, if you're still in relationships, you stay.
Speaker 1: But if not, you know, I just got work to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And to the Bachelor, I being more successful you were saying,
Speaker 1: I think it's tough. I think like kind of piggybacking
Speaker 1: on what you were saying, Eric, is that people men
Speaker 1: come out of their shell and egos. I think for
Speaker 1: men lower tremendously on the Bachelorette because they're not guys
Speaker 1: are not used to having to like kind of fight
Speaker 1: for that attention. They're like, what bounce? But on the
Speaker 1: Bachelor you're forced to do that. I feel like girls
Speaker 1: in some sense kind of feel like they're in a
Speaker 1: constant state of that. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like,
Speaker 1: and maybe not for every Bachelor, sometimes I feel like
Speaker 1: the Bachelor gets a bigger ego because he's got all
Speaker 1: these girls chasing after himarette it's like such an opposite
Speaker 1: experience because all these guys lower their egos and have
Speaker 1: to like put that completely aside and go for this
Speaker 1: woman and respect her and now be vulnerable, and they
Speaker 1: grow so tremendously. As for the girls, they're almost like
Speaker 1: and not to say this was every bachelor, but almost
Speaker 1: like chasing someone who is their egos growing. Yeah. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think I think for women women we talked about
Speaker 1: this before, but for women, they look at it like
Speaker 1: it kind of lost my trade of thought. Women women
Speaker 1: look at it like can this work in the real world? Yeah,
Speaker 1: where guys look at it like who's the hottest? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that that's just the truth, Like you're like, who
Speaker 1: am I the most attracted to? You know? And I
Speaker 1: think that's why the women of the show The Bachelorette
Speaker 1: seems to be more successful in my opinion, or let's
Speaker 1: you know, correct me if I'm wrong. I don't want to,
Speaker 1: you know, if age is a fact, they're having kids
Speaker 1: at a certain age. I feel like women have a
Speaker 1: timeline where I want to get married by this time
Speaker 1: and I have kids, because if I don't have kids
Speaker 1: at before thirty five or whatever, then I can't have them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Men, we're like, I can get married
Speaker 1: at thirty five, forty five, forty so it's no rush
Speaker 1: to get into Yeah, women were fighting the clock right
Speaker 1: now we're like, we gotta go. We gotta go everyday
Speaker 1: marriage to have a year of like the funny moon phase.
Speaker 1: Then we got to have the baby and then yeah,
Speaker 1: we're like, man, if you could do this all over again,
Speaker 1: would you no, what do you mean in terms of
Speaker 1: like if you if you could do like, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you could from where you started on this bachelor journey,
Speaker 1: if you could go all over again, dar do it
Speaker 1: all over again? Would you have done it? Would you audition?
Speaker 1: Would you go through casting? Would you go on the show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, I think it changed everyone. I
Speaker 1: mean I think for most people, even if you are
Speaker 1: the villain on a season, it changed your life for
Speaker 1: the better. Maybe you self reflected in different ways. You know,
Speaker 1: I found a man, so in that way, and it
Speaker 1: also like I feel like amazing, man. I think I
Speaker 1: think it allowed me to have more of a long
Speaker 1: term relationship because I would usually end relationships around the
Speaker 1: eight to ten month mark when and I would kind
Speaker 1: of give up on relationships and not want to put
Speaker 1: a lot of work into it. And with Joe, it
Speaker 1: was such a different relationship because I was a different person,
Speaker 1: and I think he grew in a lot of ways too,
Speaker 1: because I'm like your first girlfriend pretty much in a
Speaker 1: lot of ways. Yeah, so I mean you change, you change,
Speaker 1: definitely grew up. And also the one thing that I
Speaker 1: really like about the show is I feel like everyone
Speaker 1: is afraid to say I want marriage, I want something serious,
Speaker 1: I want that, and the show applauds that and celebrates
Speaker 1: people wanting commitment and wanting long term relationships. And in
Speaker 1: the real world, you feel like if you want that,
Speaker 1: it's too vulnerable or it ends up being like too much,
Speaker 1: too soon. And the show's like, you should be in
Speaker 1: love the next day, so you're not afraid to put
Speaker 1: yourself out there. You almost feel like there's something wrong
Speaker 1: with you if you're not there right. And I think, like,
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can ask this question we're
Speaker 1: asking Eric in the dating world. Now. I am trying
Speaker 1: to imagine it because it must be how do I
Speaker 1: say this? It must be tough in the dating world
Speaker 1: because on the show, You're so likely to ask these
Speaker 1: hard questions. And I feel like whenever I would ask
Speaker 1: hard questions on like a second date, scares people away.
Speaker 1: But those types of questions or like the questions were like,
Speaker 1: I don't know why you didn't ask that already on
Speaker 1: the show. So in the dating world, now, do you
Speaker 1: find that you're now more readily available to open up?
Speaker 1: I think for me, women are. They're even shocked. They're
Speaker 1: intimidated because I'm so emotionally available and so available just
Speaker 1: listen to talk. I'm like, I'll tell you whatever you
Speaker 1: want to know. I'm spiritual. So since I've been young,
Speaker 1: it's always been you're different. Okay, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: You're different? So that's been a struggle. But I think
Speaker 1: most people are not used to an emotionally available guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah man thinks about you, that calls you like, okay,
Speaker 1: you need anything about Yeah, I'm on it. You're ready
Speaker 1: to have those conversations, so it's like too much too soon,
Speaker 1: or like oh hold on, pomp the Brinch brother. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They're used to the person checking on, not motivating them
Speaker 1: in the morning, not caring about it. Does that help you,
Speaker 1: like read them out because maybe they're just not ready
Speaker 1: for what you're ready for, and you're looking for somebody
Speaker 1: that is, well, say next. But I think also the
Speaker 1: challenges if you do like someone like I was telling
Speaker 1: you off off Mike that you know, I felt hard
Speaker 1: for someone they just wasn't really ready, but I was
Speaker 1: willing to, you know, pace it out and see what.
Speaker 1: But I realized it's just not gonna work right. And
Speaker 1: somebody girls think they're ready, yeah, and what they're ready
Speaker 1: for is the guy to text them back, not a
Speaker 1: guy to ask them to hard. That was the conversation.
Speaker 1: I said, do you really think you want to be
Speaker 1: in a relationship and she was like, I really don't
Speaker 1: know when I think about it. And I said, that's
Speaker 1: okay because I felt you running, I can feel your energy,
Speaker 1: but I still care about you. I love you, Like
Speaker 1: it's okay, so we're still friends. But it's it's like
Speaker 1: I think, Brian, you set off Mike when it's time,
Speaker 1: it's time. So for me, it's not all about timing.
Speaker 1: You're not afraid to confront that. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: the show helped me, yeah, to be conversation or opportunity.
Speaker 1: And it's times when I'm running as well, but that
Speaker 1: makes you different though, quote unquote different. That's a good thing. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying, like it's been that
Speaker 1: since I wish. I wish more guys were like that.
Speaker 1: I think they say that didn't get it. It's like whoa, Yeah,
Speaker 1: like for some women from yeah experience, yeah, don't get that,
Speaker 1: and you're like, whoa, you are everything I want, But
Speaker 1: I don't think I want that right because it can
Speaker 1: be too much. So it's it's just it's been different,
Speaker 1: but it's been good. I've learned a lot, and sometimes
Speaker 1: in general, people have all the check boxes on paper
Speaker 1: and it's still not what you want. And it's just
Speaker 1: because there's something that doesn't click. And that's okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can speak on you can't. Sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm thinking, well, I think the reason why
Speaker 1: I was out an watching him and he's like blowing
Speaker 1: bow said um anyway, I feel like there's the fear
Speaker 1: of putting too much and committing to someone that you
Speaker 1: feel like, UM doesn't want those same things. So I
Speaker 1: think the reason why I didn't work out for Joe
Speaker 1: and I, at least on the show, is because there
Speaker 1: was the fear that, um, there's a fear that maybe
Speaker 1: wouldn't be reciprocated, you know, in the same way. And
Speaker 1: I would say guys coming off the show maybe have
Speaker 1: a completely different experience than girls coming off the show. Um,
Speaker 1: And so maybe for a guy's like, oh, I can
Speaker 1: like you know, go around date and everything, and then
Speaker 1: for a girl's like, oh, man, like I've just learned
Speaker 1: all this about myself and I want to put it
Speaker 1: into like one person. I'm not trying to generalize women
Speaker 1: and men, but it's a fear. It's a fear to
Speaker 1: think like when you get off of this, and it's
Speaker 1: a female based audience. So um, when girls come off,
Speaker 1: it's more so like celebrating relationships. When guys come off,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, there's such a field of like options,
Speaker 1: And so that is also something that's contributed to different experiences,
Speaker 1: as a fear to change your mind about how you feel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like we've done this for so long, how can
Speaker 1: you not being I'm like, I just don't feel that anymore.
Speaker 1: And I think people are free and so people stay
Speaker 1: in it because it is comfortable and it is right.
Speaker 1: Why would I get out of it? Look at our
Speaker 1: life but that's not always icing them a right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it looks good, but it doesn't feel good. What's interesting, too,
Speaker 1: is that you can tell the difference of change in
Speaker 1: people from the people that left in the first three
Speaker 1: weeks and the people that stayed on after that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the people that traveled together or whatever the case
Speaker 1: may be. At one point it's like a cutoff and
Speaker 1: the learning and how much people grew. You can kind
Speaker 1: of see even in the conversations after the show. I
Speaker 1: guess you'll talk to people from like week two or
Speaker 1: three and you're like, whoa, there's just a disconnect. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: speaking of the people in like week one, two, and three,
Speaker 1: and you're talking about relationships with those people and beyond
Speaker 1: after the show, Do y'all conclude them in the group chat?
Speaker 1: Because there is the group chat, the infamous group chat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think there's some, don't But we stopped a group
Speaker 1: chat a long time ago for Paradise. Oh well, no,
Speaker 1: there was a Bachelor group chat too. I was in
Speaker 1: it and I was a Week one guy, but I
Speaker 1: never participated. I think there was, so there might still
Speaker 1: be a group chat. It's just not Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: some I think it was selective kind of With Bachelor,
Speaker 1: I actually asked I didn't want to be on the
Speaker 1: group chat, so I didn't. I'm not in that, but
Speaker 1: Paradise I was in that one. Yeah, it's just like
Speaker 1: too much sometimes, you know, Yeah, it's too much. And
Speaker 1: it's usually the people except you, Joe. It's usually people
Speaker 1: who did not make it longer, who are like clinging
Speaker 1: on to, you know, ready to tell what happened. I
Speaker 1: have a lot of opinions, so you know, we're all
Speaker 1: we all come from the same world, and we talk
Speaker 1: about questions of people ask us. And I know one
Speaker 1: of the questions I get all the time is what
Speaker 1: do you do in the mansion all day? What do
Speaker 1: you do? And I'm like, we do interviews, we eat,
Speaker 1: we tan, we lay out, we work out. Like it's
Speaker 1: pretty much like a eat, sleep, shit type thing, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's like everything. But one of the things you
Speaker 1: could do is play games. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys play games. We played drinking games and that those
Speaker 1: were some of the most wild nights wild. But one
Speaker 1: of the games we would play is never have I Ever?
Speaker 1: So I want to play the Bachelor edition never Have
Speaker 1: I Ever? You guys everybody's played this game before, right,
Speaker 1: so we all know the rules. I don't know the rules. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know the rules. I've done, So if you've done,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask a question. Never have I ever you know,
Speaker 1: had a threesome? Yeah? Okay, we played this on my season.
Speaker 1: I just realized answer the truth. I remember if we
Speaker 1: did the boat party in South Hill. Yeah, if you
Speaker 1: have done, then never have I ever. You have to
Speaker 1: take a sip of your drink and you are empty,
Speaker 1: so you need to fill up drink if you have. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna get real close and learn a lot
Speaker 1: about each other really quickly. So here we go. Oh,
Speaker 1: right in line, We've already talked about this. Never have
Speaker 1: I ever slid into another member of bats Nations DMS
Speaker 1: in general? Did you know them before? Because I Katie,
Speaker 1: I feel like you're trying to rationalize at drink and
Speaker 1: just for all of you out there, those who are
Speaker 1: drinking are Eric, Katie, Ohia, Brian, I'm looking at you
Speaker 1: real quick to make sure you're not drinking on this one.
Speaker 1: Never have I ever hit in the bathroom to avoid
Speaker 1: being filmed? Oh yeah, everybody drank except Eric. Look at
Speaker 1: the camera. We were all so tired of talking. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: never have I ever cried on camera? Everyone will I
Speaker 1: didn't cry? Oh okay, right, everybody, So everybody took a
Speaker 1: sip except for Brian. I didn't take a sip. I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but I thought you cried in Paradise.
Speaker 1: For some reason, you can't. Maybe I stepped away from
Speaker 1: the camera. That count. Really, you never cried on camera.
Speaker 1: I remember it was in Spain and we were doing
Speaker 1: b roll and it was down to the last two
Speaker 1: and just the thought of losing her or not having
Speaker 1: her moving forward, I got a little tear eyed, and
Speaker 1: I just stepped away. I was actually about to round
Speaker 1: a corner where they were going to be filming me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, give me two minutes, which is
Speaker 1: actually because Brian is emotional so like and he's like
Speaker 1: very in touch with emotions. So I'm actually shocked. You
Speaker 1: didn't cry on camera. Oh and I cried on camera.
Speaker 1: My producer was crying. So everybody was crying. It was
Speaker 1: a crime party. Oh here's a good one. Never have
Speaker 1: I ever hooked up in Paradise? Wait, let me break this.
Speaker 1: Never have I ever hooked up in the Paradise boom
Speaker 1: Boom room, Katie's taking a sist. How do you think
Speaker 1: I got a fiance? I made it Joe and I
Speaker 1: made it a point not to go in the boobom room.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was more so my decision not to go
Speaker 1: into speak for yourself. Yeah, I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to pressure you, but if you want to, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say no. First of all, I knew that
Speaker 1: if I was alone in a room with leaving with Joe,
Speaker 1: it was going down, and I did. I did not
Speaker 1: want it to be where cameras were present. But are
Speaker 1: cameras in the boom boom Yes? So I just didn't
Speaker 1: trust myself alone. But they don't air that right, like
Speaker 1: I don't. There's a rustling. What's going on? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: know they aired other people in our our season. Well,
Speaker 1: that was an intense boom bo room situation. What happened?
Speaker 1: They had a lot of passions for each other, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there was as Yeah, it was cute. It was cute.
Speaker 1: I mean you passion. I mean you're you're dating for
Speaker 1: a while and you have like that sexual tension building
Speaker 1: up and U I believe me. I wanted to. I
Speaker 1: definitely wanted to go with Joe. But um, I think
Speaker 1: I was just so worried about there being video evidence.
Speaker 1: I don't I started worrying about it after it already happened,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, well yeah, I mean this
Speaker 1: is in my head. Um okay, wait, Eric Tasia, no
Speaker 1: boom boom y'all never went in the boom boom room
Speaker 1: or you just want to be quiet? No, not a
Speaker 1: good one. You are. You are not a good liar.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that you have to be in a
Speaker 1: relationship to go boom boom. I mean how actually going
Speaker 1: to boom booe with you? Oh? I thought. I mean
Speaker 1: I've never been to Paradise. I just everybody's wildly it's hot.
Speaker 1: Well I never had room. One of them was air conditioned,
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, gotta go in there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you get air conditioning, something happens changed. You're like,
Speaker 1: where this is life? Now? Wow? Amazing? Okay. Never have
Speaker 1: I ever had to go to the hospital while filming?
Speaker 1: It's none of us, right, Yeah, no I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that'll happen again. Um okay, never have
Speaker 1: I ever been in a hot tub in an obscure location?
Speaker 1: Oh well, what do you mean by that? Oh, I've
Speaker 1: never Oh, I never haven't done that either. I was
Speaker 1: like in a hallways, um, pretty much did everybody drink? No?
Speaker 1: Not jo is gonna be the host of everybody not Joe? Um? Okay.
Speaker 1: Never have I ever won a group date? Rose, I've
Speaker 1: never won a group day. I've never won a group date. Rose,
Speaker 1: take a drink, Katie. Oh wait oh wait no really never, gosh,
Speaker 1: I keep joy. Actually, if you know three one counts,
Speaker 1: it's a group The three on one count as a
Speaker 1: group date. It's totally a group what. Yeah, that counts?
Speaker 1: That aroup before Okay, I'll take it. I'm gonna skip
Speaker 1: around here. I'm gonna skip around. Um. Never have I
Speaker 1: ever kissed a celebrity? Oh, Joe's a celebrity. So true
Speaker 1: that bachelor people don't count. Never have I ever kissed
Speaker 1: the celebrity? What's considered? What is considered? It? What Instagram celebrity?
Speaker 1: Instagram celebrities don't count? An actual like a like an actor,
Speaker 1: actress who's popular? Yeah, somebody somebody who's okay, wow, who's
Speaker 1: a Rachel? Still? Um? I I was going to say
Speaker 1: something and then I was like, wait, that's not don't worry.
Speaker 1: It's not anything you don't know, Bran Rangel anybody else. Um,
Speaker 1: Never have I ever done it in a public place?
Speaker 1: What's public outside the home? Oh? Has everybody's drinking? Come on?
Speaker 1: I know, I know we're right everybody. I have a risk.
Speaker 1: Never have I ever skinny dipped? I have never show goes.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I was younger, seven year old, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, like a summer in high school or something. Um, okay, oh,
Speaker 1: this is a good one. Never have I ever dined
Speaker 1: and dashed? Oh? Never? Oh my god? Where you eat?
Speaker 1: Where you eat? So Jo like grew up in Chicago.
Speaker 1: Where was it? Hold on? What restaurant? Um? And we
Speaker 1: did it at um? I think steak and shake? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: late nights for you. I mean it was it was
Speaker 1: a chain. It was corporate against the man. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know you were a kid. Here's like sixth seventh
Speaker 1: grade and so like it was just for fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was like, let's get out of here, scram Did
Speaker 1: they realize? Yeah, but they can't you do it. You're
Speaker 1: not condoned dine and dash on this podcast. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean we're talking about like ten year olds. Like, I
Speaker 1: don't do that anymore. Have you been back there since?
Speaker 1: I've actually I spent way too much money on really,
Speaker 1: be honest with you, if you actually looked, I looked
Speaker 1: at my American Express card, I'm what I spent this year,
Speaker 1: and I'm sick. No, I'm not going, but I mean restaurants.
Speaker 1: I've made it up to them, trust me. Okay, here
Speaker 1: this is this is the last one. So this is
Speaker 1: a good one. Never have I ever had a one
Speaker 1: night stand? Yeah? The only sex I knew for a
Speaker 1: while that knows that would be drinking our Joe, Eric,
Speaker 1: all the guys, Grand Rachel, Katie. We are done with
Speaker 1: the game playing portion of the show, so can everybody
Speaker 1: put on their headphones. We have a special person joining
Speaker 1: us on the podcast for our Friends Giving. Everybody have
Speaker 1: their headphones on? Yeah, hello, Hello, Hello, Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Is that Peter the Bad what's going on? Guys? What's up?
Speaker 1: We appreciate you joining our Friends Giving. No, thank you
Speaker 1: guys for having me. Nobody knew you were coming on.
Speaker 1: This is a surprise. Has anybody in the room met Peter? Yeah? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So who's all who's all here? Yes? Okay, so you've
Speaker 1: got Rachel, my husband, Brian, Joe grocery store, Joe, Ken, Eric, Taysia,
Speaker 1: and Katie. Okay, yeah, very cool. How are you guys
Speaker 1: doing good? How are you I am? I'm definitely enjoying
Speaker 1: life right now. It's it's pretty good. It's quite the
Speaker 1: journey so far. Peter. You sound in love. If I
Speaker 1: must say yes, I mean as there is love in
Speaker 1: this room. But I'm telling you you really sound yeah.
Speaker 1: I've been trying my absolutely best to stay so open,
Speaker 1: not get too you know, too too invested in just
Speaker 1: one relationship and then close myself off a little too early.
Speaker 1: I remember talking about your season and we said, I
Speaker 1: was like, he's probably gonna fall in love with five women.
Speaker 1: He's just such a lover like it's just definitely going
Speaker 1: to get something out of him this season, and I
Speaker 1: don't know it's going to be a happy ending. So
Speaker 1: we're excited for you. Since we are doing Franks Giving
Speaker 1: in the spirit of Thanksgiving, what are you most grateful
Speaker 1: for so far as the Bachelor? I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: just for this entire experience. I've been feeling just so
Speaker 1: grateful for the last couple months that, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: you know, I was chosen to have this amazing, you know, experience,
Speaker 1: an opportunity to go find love in such a fun way,
Speaker 1: a once in a lifetime, you know, a type of way.
Speaker 1: I feel so grateful for honesty, all the women that
Speaker 1: I've been able to meet on this on this journey,
Speaker 1: and literally, like you guys are going to see such
Speaker 1: an amazing group. I can just tell like, for the
Speaker 1: most part, they're just all here, you know, for me
Speaker 1: and really giving this a shot. And I've just been
Speaker 1: so thankful for that. I will tell you from one
Speaker 1: lead to another while you put a phone in your hand,
Speaker 1: run Google something, take it away. I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: go right now. Thank you for so much, Thanks so much.
Speaker 1: Well you guys, how happy to hate her? Sound? Who's madam?
Speaker 1: You met him after the Medium Paradise reunion? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I met him like a Demi's Paradise reunion. I was
Speaker 1: like on them back. Oh yeah, I've pictures of him
Speaker 1: and he's in the sweater and I'm like, that is
Speaker 1: so did Ben Higgins up that star pass down? Is
Speaker 1: it like a good duck sweater? Just totally looks like Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks like me, acts like him. He sounds like him.
Speaker 1: I felt like I was talking to him. I'm excited
Speaker 1: that it'll be secret is double, that it'll be a
Speaker 1: season where we like, I know he's going to get engaged,
Speaker 1: and so I'm excited that, like, that's what we're going
Speaker 1: to get to see at the end of this. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's you know, we need we need a happy, happy
Speaker 1: ending in the Bachelor franchise exactly. There's been a lot
Speaker 1: of crazy endings recently. We're gonna wrap this up before
Speaker 1: we let you go, I just want to ask everyone
Speaker 1: at the table, what is the one thing that you
Speaker 1: are most grateful for coming out of the Bachelor franchise.
Speaker 1: I'll start my lovely girlfriend and moves. Yes, I am
Speaker 1: also thankful for those dance moves. Um, I would have
Speaker 1: to say, I am most thankful thankful for the ability
Speaker 1: to have a second chance with my relationship with Joe,
Speaker 1: because there was a time when it was maybe not
Speaker 1: going to happen, and I feel like I would have
Speaker 1: been making an incredible mistake. But no, now, knowing where
Speaker 1: we are now, I'm so happy that I'm able to
Speaker 1: have the experience of our relationship and to celebrate that.
Speaker 1: I would say, just perspective on relationships and dating and
Speaker 1: all the relationships built throughout this ranchise, producers, castmates, and
Speaker 1: people at this table. I'm grateful for you guys, so
Speaker 1: thank you. I agree, I have to say the people.
Speaker 1: I mean, I probably would not have met any of
Speaker 1: you guys otherwise. And a lot of the friendships that
Speaker 1: I've built, there are friendships that I, you know, put
Speaker 1: effort into every day. I still talked to a lot
Speaker 1: of the girls, and I feel like I've grown so
Speaker 1: much because of the friendships I've made. So I'm really
Speaker 1: grateful for the people I've met. Yeah, I would say
Speaker 1: the people I've met and like learning about myself. I'm
Speaker 1: really thankful because I feel that I thought I was
Speaker 1: already self aware, and it putting the camera on you,
Speaker 1: like you really learn to look inward and recognize where
Speaker 1: your faults are too, And so just being able to
Speaker 1: do that and even finding empathy with others has been
Speaker 1: something I've been really grateful for. Yeah, It's it's so
Speaker 1: hard to put it to one thing. Like, I truly
Speaker 1: am grateful for the entire experience because it's changed my
Speaker 1: life completely, Like my life is a complete one eighty
Speaker 1: in every single way and coming into the show and
Speaker 1: being so skeptical to coming out of it with a
Speaker 1: marriage is it's still insane to me. So I'm just
Speaker 1: so grateful that I did it. I was open to it,
Speaker 1: and I'm just thankful for everything that it's brought me. Bran. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the people not only on the show, but
Speaker 1: you know, the people that this show has been able
Speaker 1: to put me in front of after the show, I
Speaker 1: think has been really great. The experience, of course, and
Speaker 1: the personal growth. I would say I think everybody can
Speaker 1: relate to that, just the personal growth, all the positive
Speaker 1: that comes from this, and of course my lovely wife.
Speaker 1: So yeah, sorry, I didn't mention my fiance. So grateful
Speaker 1: for you. I took to what you were saying. You
Speaker 1: were talking about him, Okay, but yes, give him that
Speaker 1: shout out for sure. You guys, it has been so
Speaker 1: much fun. Thank you so much for being a part
Speaker 1: of the first ever Bachelor happy hour of friends giving.
Speaker 1: Um could not have done this without you, and I'm
Speaker 1: so glad that we're in great places, like just going
Speaker 1: around the room and hearing the growth that everyone has
Speaker 1: experienced because of this crazy Bachelor. You know, you call
Speaker 1: it crazy, but it is really a grow, a growing
Speaker 1: and learning process. So anyways, everybody seems to be in
Speaker 1: such a great place, so we have to cheers to that,
Speaker 1: Rightagno cheers to love, but just cheers to I was oh,
Speaker 1: I was just about to say that. Cheers to life,
Speaker 1: you guys, my guy. Oh, Happy Thanksgiving. Thank you all
Speaker 1: for our friends for coming on Bachelor Happy Hour to
Speaker 1: do our first ever friendsgiving. Thank you for helping Brian
Speaker 1: and I host it today, and hopefully we can make
Speaker 1: this an annual thing. Love to have you back. Don't
Speaker 1: think just because you did one you're done. You can
Speaker 1: come back Okay, And next week we will be talking
Speaker 1: to Ari and Lauren. Can't wait to catch up with
Speaker 1: them and see how life is with little Lessie. So
Speaker 1: tune in next week to Bachelor Happy Hour. In the meantime,
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