1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm not a no Mexicans, you know, we're a foreign monster. 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm your own monster, born and raised in Chicago. And 3 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: it's easy to blame people from other countries. I'm here 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: in American cider. In order for this drug trafficking to exist, 5 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: it takes complicity in all. 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 2: Levels, every aspect of life. 7 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: Immigrants, you know, our own people here, you know, contribute, 8 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: even the agents getting you know. 9 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,639 Speaker 2: But I think that. 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: Certain news media and everyone likes to blame the brown people. 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: It's always someone else, you know, in this country. Is 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: just the way it feels. Get to blame people. 13 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 2: Hey, it's the. 14 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 3: Descent and I'm Charlie Webster. This is Surviving l Chapo. 15 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 4: The Twins who brought down a drug lord Season two. 16 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 2: I recorded some hits in my time, but nothing. They 17 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: brought down the drug kingpin. 18 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 5: Yet, the recording that Pete Flores made in November fifteen, 19 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 5: two thousand and eight, was the only recording the government 20 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 5: ever had to could pinned our chapel on drug trafficking 21 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 5: in the US. 22 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 4: Almost exactly ten years later, Pete, known in the prison 23 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 4: system only as PF two two seven zero one four 24 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 4: two four, walked into a pat courtroom to testify against 25 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: the man he betrayed, a man he once saw as family. 26 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 5: It took ten years from the Flores twins surrendering to 27 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 5: the US authorities to get our chapel in. 28 00:01:58,480 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: Front of a jury. 29 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: A week before Christmas twenty eighteen, Pete sat in the 30 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 4: witness stand nervously waiting for Hackeing Guzman Luera El Chappo 31 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 4: to walk in. 32 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: Let's see that they're they're learning chap point, and my 33 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: stomach is just like I can see him. He's like, 34 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: you know, he has like a glose so dark soup 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: kind of a red tie. He comes in and he's 36 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: shaking his he'll turning his hands and everyone and he's 37 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: waving to the sketch artist, you know, like I don't 38 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: know why he's comfortable, and he's still not looking at me. 39 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 2: He's just like, you know, seeing him. 40 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 1: Really he looks very pale to me, like I've used 41 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: to see him in his content. 42 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: He looks pale. 43 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: He has harry and he's kind of like we can't 44 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: have the tenth same text airing negat It just doesn't 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: come right to the side, you know, I can see 46 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: that he just looks like funny to me, you know, 47 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: like I'm getting glimpses of him and he smiling, saying, 48 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: hurt everybody. Then he comes and he turns wrong and 49 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: he stares right at me. I looked back at him. 50 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: I'm looking at him and he's standing me. He looks 51 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 1: funny to me. For that moment in my my home vision, 52 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: he looked like like one of those funny digital kind 53 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: of like things like where his face looked blurred to me, 54 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: and I kind of like almost pil it. Yeah, like 55 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: look at him again and then he just stands, keeps 56 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: his chest on. He's just he's just staring at him, 57 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: and he won. I turned around. I looked away, and 58 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: my nerves were at the worst, like and I'm like, 59 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: he's doing that on purpose, now, you know, He's just 60 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to intimidate you. Yeah, what was going through 61 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: your haste? It wasn't really just it was him and 62 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: it was just everything, you know, like this is real. 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm here, This is not a bad dream, Like this 64 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 1: is so real. And I remember I look at him. 65 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: He gold and when he looks at me, he he 66 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: hits his fingers like that like with his two fingers, 67 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: he kind of hits the table. You know, he's just 68 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: staring at me and look away again he sits dound 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 1: and no matter what when every time I love, he's 70 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: still staring at me. 71 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: He's just staring at me the whole time. He wouldn't 72 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: stop staring. 73 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: So then I see the courts filling up and all 74 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: the prosecutors are there, and you know it's busy, and 75 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: they bring in like the the legal secretary gets the 76 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: judge's clerk. That's the first time when the judge comes 77 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: in and we all rise, and I remember standing up 78 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: and everyone's staying at it, like everyone's just waiting for 79 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: us to look at each other, you know, to kind 80 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: of like see what we do our interaction. He had 81 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: that same serious face on him that he has a 82 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: real black stare. I'll never forget that. 83 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 6: How did it make you feel? Especially when he went 84 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 6: like like you tell you, like, what do you think? 85 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 7: That? Was? 86 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 2: Crossed my mind? Like what the hell does that mean? 87 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Honestly, I got to a point where I started getting 88 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: little fusher the way I felt like, man, you know, 89 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: like I'm past this, you know, scary, like I can't 90 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: tell you like scared, like I'm not like I was 91 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: scared of him alone. 92 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 6: I'm saying, like, but everything he represents, yea, and everything 93 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 6: that party is. 94 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: A little bit big. 95 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: But really I think that it was internal of what 96 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: I did, you know, what I was a part of 97 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: what I turned my back on and it seems to 98 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: be in my face again and the worst possible way, 99 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: and thinking like, yeah, man, like you. 100 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 2: One day night, you probably do some horrific things if 101 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 2: you had to change. 102 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 6: Did you feel guilty? 103 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 2: Guilty? 104 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 6: Mm, get guilty about the fact that you couperate against him. 105 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: I didn't feel good being there, But he wasn't gonna 106 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: feel sorry for me, you know. If he had the chance, 107 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: he would have killed me or like, he would have 108 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: done worse things. 109 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: That's the truth. That's not justifying. 110 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, but it was so ugly and 111 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: just to be in that court room, be in a situation. 112 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: And if you would have told me that that thing, 113 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: you could do it a year more, an avoided two 114 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: years and more to avoid it. I would have foosen 115 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: to do two more years and avoid that, yeah, or 116 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: maybe longer. Who knows that you would My wife would 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: have probably killed me. Should have belinked you about it, 118 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, But they just they stays with me like 119 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: I'm still like reliving in it being me like ugly feeling. 120 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: I remember the courtroom, like starting the judge comes in, 121 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: we all stand. Let me take an old lease, state 122 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: your name and spell that. You know, the court I 123 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: felt like I was gonna ps two two seven zero 124 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: one fortune for it. You gotta remember how to spell 125 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: your name again. And you know, having my the prosecutor 126 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: beginning his question and kind of introduction. 127 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: Of who I had, and I'm answering your questions. 128 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: But not taking them all the way in, you know 129 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like it's kind of like I'm still 130 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: having recovered from the this feeling of them just staring 131 00:07:52,840 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: at you, just staring at you down stop and part 132 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: comfortable with that, you know, when they admiring he was wanting, 133 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: but when they're just staring at. 134 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 6: You, judging you, and you're like, is it hard to 135 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 6: know why to put your own eyes? 136 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 137 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you look around, I'm looking at I'm trying not 138 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: to stare at you know, nothing you know and everything 139 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: at the same time, you know, but it's hard not to. 140 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: And then looking over Chap he's still staring at you. 141 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: And then he's whispering to the laws, you know, beside him, 142 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: and I can see the translators facing him, and I 143 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: can see her talking to him. Everything I'm saying, she's translating, 144 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: you know, the questioning begins, and I never get completely comfortable, 145 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: and I'm nervous because I'm saying, like, you know, I'm 146 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: nervous already, and I'm speaking a kind of to a 147 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: person I've talked with before, and I'm saying the man, 148 00:08:54,840 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: and who's the man, and like chapel, yeah, because we 149 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: were used to call him senor. 150 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you were saying the man the man to 151 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 6: to people like that. 152 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean, my brother, and I wouldn't say that caravel, 153 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: you know then, you know, you know, oh yeah, like 154 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: with respect. You know. A couple of times I'm like, 155 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: I'm messing up a little bit because I'm nervous, and 156 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: a couple of times, I mean kind of the prosecutor 157 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: kind of messes up his question a little bit. 158 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: And it's not boutique. Everything we went through was like 159 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: out the window. 160 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 1: So when I talk about things like my crimes and 161 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: me testifying and cooperating gainst you know, so many people, 162 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: and that was hard. I was embarrassed because we were 163 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:47,080 Speaker 1: talking about the crimes that committed again in my world. 164 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: You know, they praise you for the bad stuff, you know, 165 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,720 Speaker 1: but you know eyes of very regular people. 166 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:52,000 Speaker 2: It's like. 167 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: And you're telling your stories to these people or judging you, 168 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 1: and it's it's a lot of emotions you deal with, 169 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: you know. I try to tell my story like as 170 00:10:04,559 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: normal as I could, bet but it's not normal, and 171 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: just answer the question and move on the conversations of 172 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, how he started and my dad and all 173 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: that comes up, and the kind of stays with you know, 174 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: thinking of those things while he's staring at me. And 175 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: it was like, I'll comforble, you know, think you know, 176 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: the threat to thinking what he's thinking of his mind, 177 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,679 Speaker 1: who knows, you know, but it seemed like he was 178 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: entertained telling a story. And we had a lot of 179 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: like times where everyone just laughs because you're telling the 180 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,040 Speaker 1: story you're confused with the meaning and stuff was you know, 181 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: they tell me the keys, where'd you where were the keys? 182 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: Like in the back of the land. 183 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: That no, that's the king the car keys, Oh those 184 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:06,439 Speaker 1: keyters like you know, laughing, you know, the stuff like that. 185 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: You know, it was like at the moment, I'm trying 186 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: to describe a situation as best as I could, and 187 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: the whole time he's staying at me. One of the 188 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: weirdest things that I felt while I was out there, 189 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: and besides the nervousness and I wanted to throw up 190 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 1: right there, was that the prosecutor pulled out of evidence 191 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: back and he holds it up with both hands. 192 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: Do you see this? And it's much like evidence, and 193 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: he's holding it up for the whole courtroom to see. 194 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: The prosecutor is holding it up and and he's like 195 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: permission to approach the witness he called it. He puts 196 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: the scissors on my right in front of him. He 197 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: grabs the cisor back and he cuts the envelope open 198 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 1: and I could see it's like a plastic bag and 199 00:11:56,400 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: some cellophane or something wrapped up, and he's going through 200 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: the bag and he goes out. 201 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 2: A phone and he's like here. 202 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: He hands it to me, and after all, in years 203 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: or not, I like a phone in my he gives 204 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: me a phone Because that little moment, I'm lost, like 205 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the phone like, wow, I wonder if 206 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: I could call Avian on it. 207 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: But it's the phone that that chap called me. Then 208 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 2: I had probleb with me. 209 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: And it's like I couldn't get over that, like that 210 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: I'm holding this phone again, you know after so long. 211 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 2: That was just like shocking to me. And the things 212 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 2: like that phone signed even. 213 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: Stright ten years and he's like, can you turn it on? Yeah, 214 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: that's so it's not gonna work. It be the end 215 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: of a ten years then. But they have all put 216 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 1: up on the screen. They have the the call list 217 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: and all that, and I remember I would always put 218 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 1: me like thore my own number on the phone, just 219 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: okase that needed it, and I had stored signor I 220 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: put Sennora as a contact on the number you called me. 221 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: And then the call log and they went just randomly 222 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: went through some numbers and the like who's you know, 223 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: there's another call, there's a call on this day? Do 224 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: you can you tell me the date? And like, yeah, 225 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: it's the day. And they're like, what's the number three one, two, five, 226 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: eight eight, two three hundred? Can you play to the court, 227 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: like bout that number? Did you recognize them? 228 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 2: Like yeah, and what is it? I'm like, it's the number, 229 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 2: it's the number for Empire Carpeting Fiday day two three 230 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 2: hundred Empire. 231 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to explain that when I would set 232 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: up these phones, like new phone burning phones that would 233 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: just to check the phone make sure they're working like internationally, 234 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: that I would call Empire carpeting. 235 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 2: I don't care what time it was. I just called. 236 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 8: Empire calls there your knife. 237 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: And as soon as I heard the Empire's carpeting whatever, 238 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: a little recording and all my numbers would that I 239 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: set up would have this three and two eight two 240 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: three hundred, and they all laughed. 241 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 9: You know, So what did that tell you when you 242 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 9: did that? I told you that the frame works. So 243 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 9: every time you call that number of different perm Yeah, the. 244 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 2: Phone, the phone was working properly and I could give 245 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 2: it away to someone. And and that was the phone 246 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: that the chapel called me, and I recorded the conversation with. 247 00:14:59,520 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 8: H. 248 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: I think that that that was like towards the end 249 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: of that of the evening, like it was getting late 250 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: and we're going to bring till the next day, and 251 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: I was just like exhausted and tired of being nervous 252 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: and sick and everything. 253 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 2: I remember when we get up, I don't even turn 254 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 2: around just the open door. I just walk up, go 255 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: back to the. 256 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: Jerry room, and my prosecutor comes in, like, you're doing great, 257 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: You're doing great, don't worry about it. 258 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: You know tomorrow will continue. 259 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: We should finish up by tomorrow sometime in the afternoon, 260 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: but we're gonna start early. 261 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 2: So by the time I get back to the isn't 262 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: that evening? 263 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: Like everyone knows that. Just Bro, we see you on TV. 264 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: You testified, blah blah blah. Yeah, allow the news and 265 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: don't local news and what was your own reaction. I 266 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it. I just want to 267 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: call my family, my kills and check on the meal 268 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: and try to get some sleep. 269 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 2: I remember the next thing, it was just even a 270 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 2: little more nervous iking thinking that and eventually we're gonna 271 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 2: come to cross examination, you know, yeah, expecting the word 272 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: from me, Like, if it's hard to do it with 273 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: the people that you've gotten comfortable with, can I imagine 274 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: doing it with people who are there to attack you. Yeah. 275 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: I remember thinking to my head like, regardless of what 276 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: anyone says, I mean, you could say whatever you want 277 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,920 Speaker 1: about me, and I'm not I enjoy I made mistakes 278 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: and the baby A Bentley, the billboard and all those things, 279 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: and and I was in trouble while I was in prison, 280 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 1: did no different things. And that's his voice on that recording. 281 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: There was a massive amount of the drug season by 282 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 1: the government money. And you can't get away from that. 283 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: You know. It's hard to like to tell, you know, 284 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 1: a recording that it's lying. I would be like, they 285 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 1: don't even need me. They just prescially play on that recording. 286 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 2: That's it. 287 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: So we go back the next day, same routine, you know, 288 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: and same nerves. Nothing got easier. A lot of people 289 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: man just packed. Everyone just in there, you know. And 290 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,800 Speaker 1: those days I went wife was in a quirtum. There's 291 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 1: only turn today. His wife was in a quareum. We 292 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: kind of finish off, like some of my testimony for 293 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: the governmently they placed some tas. 294 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: Of course we get to the tips a yeah, so much. 295 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: I mean, because they're telling you, like, what does it 296 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 1: mean when you said this to him and said that Tom, 297 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: and you're explaining. 298 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 4: Tom Pete had to explain to an anonymous Durry exactly 299 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 4: what the discussion on the tapes meant and how he 300 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 4: had to lie to El Chapo to keep. 301 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: Him on the phone. 302 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 4: The call was the smoking gun, the evidence that demonstrated 303 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 4: El Chappo's connection to the supply of drugs coming into 304 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 4: the US. 305 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,720 Speaker 3: Pete had to lie about the quality of. 306 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 4: A shipment of heroin he'd received, saying it was a 307 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 4: bad batch, so that El Chapo wouldn't be suspicious about 308 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 4: why Pete was asking for more. 309 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 7: So soon imagine if. 310 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 2: How you. 311 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: He goes she was a. 312 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: Girl thinking, so I had a like, explained to the girl. 313 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: I already picked him up, but I wanted to tell 314 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 1: you that I wanted to renegotiate the practice. It was 315 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: weird because I already had them on mind possession. 316 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 7: You know, Okay, just get them, yeah, wins, don't care. 317 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: But he was open to it, you know. And I 318 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 2: had a light and explained him that. 319 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: I had received very poor quality killed the heroine and 320 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: doubt his were super good. In reality, all the heroines 321 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: we picked up was over ninety pure. 322 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: And he hurted me out. And I remember. 323 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: Discussing with him that not only those twenty kilos of 324 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: here when I had already picked up but telling him, look, 325 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: if you could send me like forty a month, that 326 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 1: would work fine. And I need some right now, do 327 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: you have something? He's like, Look, I don't have some 328 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: right now, but next week got gimmt it. And me 329 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 1: having to say, well, I was lying to him. It 330 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: just gave him to talk about it right in front 331 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: of his face was not easy. I felt sh like wrong, 332 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying I did. I felt like 333 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: sh shitty about it. 334 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 6: Was he still staring at you? 335 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was staring at me the whole time. 336 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: I could see him like mo moving his lips around. 337 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: He never stopped staring at me. Her Glass speak to 338 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: his attorneys and the without taking his gaze off of me. 339 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,160 Speaker 1: He didn't win any star contest. And for maybe they've 340 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: bellion cancers and you want you want again, I'm playing 341 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: with my kids sometimes. Yeah, And you know that was 342 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: hard going to that whole conversation explaining and then only 343 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: that was I was wondering what he was thinking, what 344 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: he was feeling about that. 345 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 4: Assistant US Attorney Adam Fels led Pete's questioning, then turned 346 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: him over to the defense to be cross examined. Jay's 347 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 4: ex attorney, Jeffrey Littman, was not allowed to cross examine 348 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 4: Pete because of the conflict of interest, so Instead, another 349 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 4: of El Chapo's three man defense teams stepped up, William Papora. 350 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: Okay, here we go. I'm like, okay, this is the rule. 351 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: This is now, we're really getting into this. His defense 352 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: was that I somehow altered and take myself. I remember 353 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: feel like you should give Chape the money back. You 354 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: knew this was coming for years, and that's how you 355 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: could have said. 356 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 2: You've claimed me. 357 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: Back to Rolling Stone interview that Ruins magazine interview with Champagne, Yeah, 358 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: like Metro it if the voice is sounded exactly alike, 359 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm mgnon. 360 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 2: I just thought it was a weak argument. 361 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 4: The focus of El Chapo's defense was that it wasn't 362 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 4: El Chapo's voice on the recording that Pete made, and 363 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 4: that there was a conspiracy against him. Everyone else was corrupt, 364 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 4: including US drug agents and even two Mexican presidents. His 365 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 4: defense claimed that El Mayo was the actual boss of 366 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 4: the Cineloa cartel and had overseen operations for the last 367 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 4: two decades, and that actually El Chapo was a nobody 368 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 4: with a second grade education and for years had just 369 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 4: been used as escapegoats. 370 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: The argument that travel was in the real boss, that's 371 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 1: dressing anything. It's Mario Sambala. I'm trying to explain something. 372 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: I believe that they're both the Roal boss and that 373 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: they ran the organization with my brother and I did 374 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: that whatever it was they benefited. Both was and whether 375 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: you talk to my brother, you talk to me, it 376 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: was the same thing. And that's why I view both individuals, 377 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: you know, and explain that like my brother and I 378 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: were like part of the business part of this, you know, 379 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: this car told there's different tiers of different you know, 380 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: positionship people, and not everyone's a soldier and not everyone 381 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: was a boss. I'm trying to explain that to the jury. 382 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 4: The defense was throwing everything they could at Pete, even 383 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,560 Speaker 4: questioning him about the deal he got for his cooperation. 384 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 4: They specifically brought up the fact that it's part of 385 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 4: his cooperation, his wife, Viv received an immunity deal, which 386 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 4: meant that she couldn't be charged for anything relating to 387 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 4: her husband's criminal activity. 388 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: I'm quite it probably my wife and immunity, like your 389 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: wife was in charge. No, she wasn't. She was given 390 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 2: immunity because she wasn't charged for a reason. 391 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: You know. 392 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: We we have the debate out. 393 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: I don't think that anybody would come in to cooperate 394 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: and not protect her own family at. 395 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: First, and they brought up one of the three bees, 396 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 4: the baby, and how Viv became pregnant while Pete was 397 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: in prison. 398 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 1: When he started trying to bring up the pregnancy things, 399 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: everyone laughed like, like you should so, like how long. 400 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, it wasn't long, I promise you. Everyone's laughing. 401 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a man in prison with a chance 402 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: to go and be with his wife. How many little things, 403 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: you know, like that they would bring up that felt 404 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 1: had no relevance to helping the case, you know, But 405 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: I guess he has to try something. And there's a 406 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: lot of tension, like you've seen something. They feel like 407 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: I was the only one that testified against them, but 408 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: there's fourteen of us. One of the guys testified that 409 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 1: he had one hundred and forty people killed, and he 410 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: had sold like a million kilo's cocaine and had a 411 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: fortune like fifteen billion dollars. Ultimately, all I had to 412 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: do is just go in there and tell the truth. 413 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: Testified for two long days. I remember the last thing 414 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: walking and the doors closed where I leave, and they're 415 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: like everyone that came up. And Shavel gets up and 416 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: me and him are standing across from each other at 417 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: this time. We're both just looking at each other and 418 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: he's looking at me. I'm staying at him back, just 419 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: looking at him, and he's looking at me, and we 420 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: both kind of turned around at the same time. He 421 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: worked out that door and I worked out this door. 422 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: We go back and I, you know, get to speak 423 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 1: with the prosecutor real quick. He said, you did great, man, 424 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 1: and wish your best luck. And I'm seeing it kind 425 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: of helped me. It's like that, well the times right well, 426 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: and he kept his word. He wrote a letter thing 427 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: that he felt that they should give me the two 428 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 1: years off. 429 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 4: Adam Fels, the lead prosecutor, wrote that letter to Judge 430 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 4: Ruben Castillo, requesting a sentence reduction for the twins because 431 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,480 Speaker 4: of how great they'd be as cooperators. US attorneys Adam Fels, 432 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 4: Thomas Shakeshaft, and Michael Ferrara had been with the twins 433 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 4: from the beginning, often spending more time with Jay and 434 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 4: Pete over the past decade than their own family, and 435 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 4: all advocated for the shorter recommendation of the twins sentence. 436 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 3: The sentencing reduction was denied. 437 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 4: Pete didn't get any further benefit for testifying in court 438 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 4: against El Chapo. 439 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: Leaving there and just thinking I'm glad, I God throw 440 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: it if I did the right thing, and thinking like that, 441 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was behind me, and it's. 442 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 6: Like, hey, did you feel like it was done? 443 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,240 Speaker 1: Then you know, it's like you sell something for a 444 00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: price and then you got to keep coming back in 445 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: pain somewhere. It's not easy, man, This wasn't an easy 446 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: situation with my brother and I and for our family. 447 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: It's took a humong as hmongers tons and the price 448 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: rep is huge. 449 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,399 Speaker 6: How un did chapoget I. 450 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 2: Think our life sentence plus thirty years? 451 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 4: The trial against El Chapo lasted three months. He was 452 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 4: sentenced on July seventeenth, twenty nineteen, to life in prison 453 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 4: plus thirty years, and was ordered to pay twelve point 454 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 4: six billion dollars in forfeiture. It took thirty one different 455 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 4: agencies worldwide to take l Chapo down. He's now in 456 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 4: ADX Florence Administrative Maximum Penitentiary known as Supermax in Colorado. 457 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,479 Speaker 4: Supermax has been described by its own ex warden as 458 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 4: worse than death The prison is designed to keep every 459 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 4: inmate in near total solitary confinement. 460 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 3: You shower and eat in your cell. Meals are slid 461 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: through small holes, so. 462 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 4: You have no contact with anyone and you only get 463 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 4: one fifteen minute phone call a month. Inmates have been 464 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 4: diagnosed with insanity while being incarcerated there. It's considered escape proof. 465 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 4: No one has ever escaped. While he may not get 466 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: to meet them, El Chapo shares a prism with some 467 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 4: of the worst of the worst criminals, the Boston Marathon bomber, 468 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 4: the Atlanta Olympics bomber, the World Trade Center bomber, and 469 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 4: the co founder of al Qaeda, an advisor to Bin 470 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 4: Laden even Dodor Death resides there. On the fifth of 471 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 4: January twenty twenty two, El Chappo appealed for release or 472 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 4: a retrial, stating he had denied the right to a 473 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 4: fair trial an alleged Dura misconduct. A year later, he 474 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 4: sent an SOS appeal to the Mexican President andres Manuel 475 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 4: Lopez Obrador for release back to Mexico on humanitarian grounds 476 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: due to the alleged psychological torment he's suffering. With El 477 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 4: Chapo's trial done, the Flores Twins only had two years 478 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: left in prison, but there was one completely unexpected challenge 479 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 4: about to hit. 480 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 8: The latest on COVID nineteen virus. The updates on our 481 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 8: response to the COVID nineteen pandemic. 482 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 10: Things are moving very very quickly. 483 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: When it comes to the coronavirus, the coronavirus outbreak. Coronavirus 484 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 2: is a critical governmental situation. 485 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 8: It's a public health crisis. 486 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: The Federal Prison Bureau is reporting which facilities have, how 487 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: many coronavirus cases and the death set those facilities. 488 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 8: Nearly four hundred and fifty inmates currently have confirmed positive 489 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:47,719 Speaker 8: lab for COVID. Sadly, there have been fifteen COVID nineteen 490 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 8: related and make deaths. 491 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 10: I was so thankful for not being's sake, for being 492 00:30:55,800 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 10: held to most of my time in prison, and for 493 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 10: me to get to that point in Queen Sick, especially 494 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 10: during COVID just made everything even harder. 495 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 2: And Jay almost inside in prison. You know, he spent 496 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: fifty six days in the hospital. He had three surgeries. 497 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: Surviving l Chapo The Twins Who Brought Down a Drug Lord. 498 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 4: Season two is hosted by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and 499 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 4: me Charlie Webster. Produced by myself and Jackson mcclennan. Assistant 500 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 4: producer and research support by Kasey Hurtz, Edit and sound 501 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 4: design by Nico Polella. 502 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 3: Theme music and original score by Ryan Sorenson. 503 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 4: It's executive produced by Curtis fifty cent Jackson and me 504 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 4: Charlie Webster. Curtis fifty cent Jackson presents a Lionsgate Sound 505 00:31:53,600 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 4: and G Unit audio production exclusively for iHeart podcasts, Never 506 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 4: Danger