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Speaker 1: Isa dere Nola and welcome to the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: Ruben Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's lucky. It's the Philly Show.

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Speaker 2: It's Wednesday, June eleventh, twenty twenty five. Guys, I hope

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Speaker 2: you were doing well this morning. I made my Uh.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, are you? Maybe some other folks are

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Speaker 3: not doing well.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of doom and gloom in the air.

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Speaker 2: My day did not start great. I I I get

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Speaker 2: up in the morning, right before the show, and I

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Speaker 2: get excited because I'm making my coffee. Make this big

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Speaker 2: pot of coffee, pour it out all water, Gotta put

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Speaker 2: the coffee grounds in. Guys, make it coffee in the morning.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget those don't forget Gotta do that, Phillies. On

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Speaker 2: Monday night they had to come back. They lost nine

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Speaker 2: out of ten. Real nice win, you know, really fun

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Speaker 2: ninth inning. A couple months Otto Kemp had three hits.

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Speaker 2: A lot of fun on Monday night. And then, of

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Speaker 2: course Tuesday night they lose eight to four to the Cubs.

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Speaker 2: Makeabel struggles for the first time in his very brief

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Speaker 2: MLB career. Taiwan Walker in his first high leverage situation

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Speaker 2: gives up the lead. So a lot of stuff going

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Speaker 2: on last night. Rubin, you were out in the outfield

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Speaker 2: last night. That was that was was that fun to me?

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Speaker 2: I I do enjoy listening. I do think it's a

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Speaker 2: lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: It is a blast. It really is.

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Speaker 3: I mean I loved you know, actually seeing the game

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Speaker 3: from different angles is one of the cool things about

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Speaker 3: Citizens Bank Park. Citizens is I think one of, if

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Speaker 3: not the best venues. I mean, we got delivered a

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Speaker 3: lot of food, some beer. Jason Kelsey came out and

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Speaker 3: hung out with us.

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Speaker 4: Are our old guest.

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Speaker 3: Hey go back and check out that that podcast. Jason

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Speaker 3: was awesome in that if you get a chance. I

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Speaker 3: don't know which number one that which number that was,

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Speaker 3: but it was during the during the course for the

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Speaker 3: off season, I think, and uh.

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Speaker 4: I just think that we should do that, do those more.

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Speaker 3: I really do. I think that it's fun. It's not

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Speaker 3: that tough production. I know it's difficult for the crew

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Speaker 3: and everything, and I really appreciate it. But it was

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Speaker 3: a blast. I think that one time we had Maxi

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Speaker 3: on it, then we had Kelsey. It was it was

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Speaker 3: just it just a blast, And uh, I wish and

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Speaker 3: we've been pretty successful.

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Speaker 4: We we won a lot of games during those but

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Speaker 4: not last night, No.

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Speaker 2: Last I saw that they did bring out you the

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Speaker 2: bucket of beer, and I have had that garage beer.

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Speaker 2: This is not a advertisement thing, but it's a pretty

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Speaker 2: it's it's solid. I do have some of my fridge upstairs.

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Speaker 2: Have not tried the lime one though? Did you actually

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Speaker 2: try the line?

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Speaker 4: I did drink it and I had a couple of chips.

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Speaker 3: I didn't drink the whole beer right right, because I

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Speaker 3: think I would have got in trouble with my producers.

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Speaker 3: But but I did have a couple of chips of it.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice light beer and just a little bit

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Speaker 3: of hint of lime in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually really good. I saw them bring that out.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of wishing I was up there with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't blame you, because we had it. We

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Speaker 4: started passing them out, you know, we passed out most

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Speaker 4: of the food.

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Speaker 3: I had some of the tips. I had a couple

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Speaker 3: of you know, chickis and Petz fries. I did have

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Speaker 3: the donuts. The holy smoke, those donuts are fire.

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Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. It looks like yeah,

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Speaker 2: it looks like a lot of fun other than the result,

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Speaker 2: of course. And so let's let's jump right into Tuesday

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Speaker 2: we talked a lot about changes that might be coming

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Speaker 2: for the Phillies. We talked about do they need a

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Speaker 2: team meeting, do they need to shake up the roster,

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Speaker 2: maybe bring up Justin Crawford or other folks. The most

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Speaker 2: obvious choice for us, I think, I think we were

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Speaker 2: dropping bryceon Stott down in the lineup, probably elevating Trey Turner.

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Speaker 2: And that's exactly what happened on Tuesday night. Bryson Stott

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Speaker 2: Schwarber second, and then it was Bowman and Castianos. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it seemed like it was the It was a no brainer.

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Speaker 2: He almost Rob kind of telegraphed it on Sunday, and

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Speaker 2: it just it is something that needed to be done.

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Speaker 2: I was looking again at some numbers Bryson Scott and

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Speaker 2: we all thought that he would be a great fit.

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Speaker 2: He started out for really good in that leadoff spot.

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Speaker 2: But in thirty eight games of the Phillies leadoff hitter

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Speaker 2: this season, betting two twenty eight twot eighty on base percentage.

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Speaker 2: That's the killer one six oh seven ops uh Entering

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Speaker 2: Tuesday Night, Phillies leadoff hitters since May one, twenty fourth

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Speaker 2: in Baseball two twenty nine batting average, twenty eighth in

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Speaker 2: baseball to eighty on base percentage. Only the Rockies and

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Speaker 2: Orioles leadoff hitters are getting on have been getting on

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Speaker 2: again has mostly been Bryson Stott. So Rubin, I imagine

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think there's any question he had to

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Speaker 3: be moved. And it's disappointing because I'm not sure what's

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Speaker 3: going on with Bryce and Stock because I still still

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Speaker 3: think he has all those skill sets, but he's not producing.

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Speaker 3: And so when you're not producing, and you're having an

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Speaker 3: expectation of producing at a much higher level than you

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Speaker 3: got to make a change. And I think it was

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Speaker 3: the right thing to do to slide turn it up

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Speaker 4: That one hole. I am I know why he got.

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Speaker 3: Slid into the five hole and it's basically to split

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Speaker 3: about you know, the fact that they don't have a

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Speaker 3: And it's obvious that they do need some more production

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Speaker 3: from the outfield now. I mean, it's nice to see

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Speaker 3: Marsha come up with the big hit to win, you know,

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Speaker 3: to put the game on ice a couple of nights ago.

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Speaker 3: But and he did get a couple of hits, hyper

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Speaker 3: extended his elbow on a slide, and I mean, who

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Speaker 3: But it didn't look like anything that serious.

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Speaker 4: They'd have to be pulled out of the game.

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Speaker 3: He's out of the game, and they really don't do

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Speaker 3: much damage at in the latter part of the game yesterday.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know what they're.

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Speaker 3: proponent of bringing that kid up once he's ready and

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Speaker 3: physically ready. That's the difficult part about it is that

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Speaker 3: just don't have Bryce Harper in that lineup, which makes

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Speaker 2: Well, that was the thing that jumped out of me

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Speaker 2: real quick, is that you know, Scott was hitting fifth,

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Speaker 2: and it just really kind of just shows you how

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Speaker 2: much the rest of that offense is struggling. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you think about Bryce and Scott. The numbers I just

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Speaker 2: eighty on base percentage betting two twenty eight ops just

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Speaker 2: over six hundred. You think this guy's going to take

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Speaker 2: a big drop in the lineup. But with Bryce Harper out,

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Speaker 2: with the rest of those guys struggling, Jim, uh, you know,

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Speaker 2: he's he's there arguably their fifth best hit or fifth

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you see him in the five spot, you're like, wow,

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Speaker 1: this team, you know, you seem anywhere in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the way he's been swinging it. You're like, this

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Speaker 1: team's really missing Bryce Harper, you know, just missing the

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Speaker 1: guy and the production. But uh, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: a move that had to be made. I mean we

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Speaker 1: said in the offseason that some of this offense's improvement

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Speaker 1: was going to come from within an improvement from Trey

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Speaker 1: Turner and an improvement from Bryce and Stott coming off

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Speaker 1: down years last year, and it hasn't. It has happened

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Speaker 1: for Turner, has not happened for Stott. He's actually having

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Speaker 1: a worst year than he had last year. I mean

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Speaker 1: you mentioned since May one, I mean since June one.

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Speaker 1: In the month of June, he's got three hits and

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Speaker 1: he's walked twice. Just not getting on base enough, not

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Speaker 1: making enough happen. So you know, I see why Rob

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Speaker 1: made the move. I wouldn't really call it a shake up.

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Speaker 1: I call it a tweak or a minor adjustment. But

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Speaker 1: and as far as you know, with marsh hyper extending

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday how serious it is and how how they

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Speaker 1: address it, because you know, offensively Crawford is certainly knocking

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Speaker 1: He didn't play on Tuesday night. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: to a week. And there's there are questions about his defense,

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Speaker 1: probably suggests he's gonna have to get a chance here

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Speaker 1: his defense. A lot of people think he's a better

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Speaker 1: this team needs more offense. It needs Bryce Harper back,

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Speaker 1: It needs guys to sort of clicking, and you know,

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Speaker 1: he has elevated tray. I think we'll see him on

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Speaker 2: So justin Crawford, Yeah, Jim, he has not played since Thursday.

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Speaker 2: It's like a it's like a cramp issue in his leg.

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Speaker 2: Apparently he did do some quad right quad yeah, quad

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Speaker 3: He can still use his legs, he can still pinch, run,

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Speaker 4: A stress reaction, stress reaction, not a press reaction.

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Speaker 2: Stress reaction, stress reaction, My bad, Thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: It's how he then produces in his next start because

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Speaker 2: I've accepted it.

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Speaker 1: I've accepted it. And then and but mckabel needs to

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Speaker 2: is that a concern you know that he's not super

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Speaker 1: And regularly he was not happy. He was not happy

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Speaker 1: But they're going to give it the the look to

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Speaker 3: So this is the thing that the manager's going to

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Speaker 2: he yes perfect game on what day? Rubin Father's Day? Father,

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Speaker 1: And that was also to know that too good.

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Speaker 4: My dad had the day off that day. He was

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Speaker 4: I remember running on the field. He had number twenty.

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Speaker 4: You know his number did get retired, number twenty.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, so Father's Day, I remember running on the field.

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Speaker 1: That go ahead, I'm right, tell me about running on

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Speaker 4: No, I just remember my dad running on the field,

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Speaker 3: Because my dad wasn't on the field he typically would

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Speaker 1: Rick Wise, who pitched the second game. There was a

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Speaker 1: double header that day, and in those days, doubleheaders started

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Speaker 1: like twenty minutes later. So everybody runs on the field

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Speaker 1: he can't find a bullpen catcher because everybody's going crazy

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Speaker 1: about this perfect game. And he was telling me that

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Speaker 1: You know? And he goes, Jim Bunning was way too

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Speaker 1: And but imagine that Rick Rick Whi is saying, I

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Speaker 2: Nobody played Dalrymples on the pile right now. So you

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Speaker 2: because I was like, your dad was a gold Glover

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Speaker 2: did not play. And it's interesting to know that he

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Speaker 2: was not happy about it.

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Speaker 4: No, it was not, And you know he had played.

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Speaker 3: He won the Gold Glove that year at shortstop Bobby

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Speaker 3: one one at the year before in sixty three, which

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Speaker 4: My dad won the gold Glove the next year.

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Speaker 3: He only played like, I don't know, ninety or one

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Speaker 4: So my dad's sort of forte was the glove.

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Speaker 3: And uh, you know it's back when they you know,

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Speaker 2: They can't. They can't have what happened the last two

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