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Speaker 1: Hello. Hello. And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: This is the show where we recap our early episodes

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Speaker 2: with new case info and old feelings.

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Speaker 3: Today we're rewinding to episode 112, which we named Galore Galore.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out on March 15th, 2018.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to the intro of episode 112. hi hello

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Speaker 1: here and welcome georgia to my.

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Speaker 5: Favorite med that's there we are when we do the.

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Speaker 1: Switch off thing it immediately feels like i'm in second

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Speaker 1: grade i immediately want to ruin it it's do you

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Speaker 1: mean like just say the line that isn't your line

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Speaker 1: yeah because i hate it it's i know it's really

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Speaker 1: dumb like blow it all up to the moon you

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Speaker 1: know yeah it's that that That's the feeling I get, too.

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Speaker 1: But also, it's so easy to follow.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 1: And you just know what to do. And it's catchy

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Speaker 1: and there's a jingle. It kind of reminds me, it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of camp. Oh. My. Favorite. Camping. Camping stories.

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Speaker 1: Camping trip. Do you. Oh, I have a right off

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Speaker 1: the bat. Well, no. You want to write off the

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Speaker 1: bat this thing? Corrections corner myself.

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Speaker 2: Get out in front of even the show itself to

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Speaker 2: correct yourself.

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Speaker 5: At last, I just want to say, someone pointed out

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Speaker 5: to me on Twitter last week during my murder, I

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Speaker 5: said the word transvestite.

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Speaker 1: I should have said transgender. And I think even in my.

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Speaker 5: Mind, I wasn't totally clear on the differences.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the person who wrote to us and

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Speaker 2: lots of people were saying, what a good call in

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Speaker 2: and not a call out. The person said, it's the

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Speaker 2: modern phrase is trans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So I screwed that up and I 100% will do

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Speaker 5: my best to move forward and fuck in.

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Speaker 2: Just do it right. Well, here's the thing. And it

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Speaker 2: was such a lovely phrase. Lovely phrase tweet. But I

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Speaker 2: have I don't know. Like when someone says, you know,

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Speaker 2: the common parlance is trans. I just am speaking from

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Speaker 2: what I've known from when I heard people talk about it.

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Speaker 1: So it's like we do need those updates. Absolutely. And like,

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Speaker 1: you know.

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Speaker 5: I think I copied and pasted some fucking thing from

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Speaker 5: Wikipedia and just was reading it.

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Speaker 1: And I need to stop and think about it when

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Speaker 1: I'm doing shit like that.

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Speaker 5: And I know, even though I think I'm like, it

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Speaker 5: was so hard about being corrected when you think you're

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Speaker 5: fucking liberal and woke as fuck and like on it.

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Speaker 5: It's so hard to be like, I didn't screw up.

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Speaker 1: I support everyone. You can still screw up and it's okay.

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Speaker 2: And also it's just, it's just that fine tuning of,

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Speaker 2: it's not a massive screw up. It's just a person going, oh,

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Speaker 2: that just, I don't, it makes me feel discluded or

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Speaker 2: it makes me feel bad.

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Speaker 5: Or it's perpetuating a negative stereotype that.

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Speaker 1: I a hundred percent don't want to be part of. No, no, no.

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Speaker 1: There's no time for that. On this podcast of all

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Speaker 1: the things we're trying to do, that's the last fucking

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Speaker 1: thing we're trying to do.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Also, I will say in that same vein, in a

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Speaker 2: corrections vein, um, Um, maybe not all the way in

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Speaker 2: the corner, but somebody on Twitter was like, Hey, have

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Speaker 2: you guys ever talked about wind river? And I was

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Speaker 2: literally standing in my backyard, like doing one thing. And

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Speaker 2: then I just wrote, we did it. I wasn't even

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Speaker 2: really thinking about it. I was like, I was getting

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Speaker 2: four things done at once.

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Speaker 1: We did.

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Speaker 2: And then she took it as like she jokingly was like,

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Speaker 2: I was chided.

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Speaker 1: But then I whatever.

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Speaker 2: And I but I really meant this. I was like,

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Speaker 2: I really didn't mean it that way. Of course, it

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Speaker 1: But what I did like that she was bringing up

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Speaker 1: her point was what and our point.

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Speaker 2: Was when we talked about it on the podcast is

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Speaker 2: Wind River is such a great movie because it's finally

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Speaker 2: bringing light. to like the murder and missing indigenous women

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Speaker 2: of America and also of Canada.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: And then they mentioned this podcast that I had meant

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Speaker 5: to mention a while ago and hadn't. But so the

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Speaker 5: podcast is called Missing and Murdered. And season one, I

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Speaker 5: who it was titled, Who Killed Alberta Williams. And that

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Speaker 5: And this one's called Finding Cleo. And it's hosted by

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Speaker 5: and like you know, made by Connie Walker, who's an

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: So it's really, it's really good. I, I, I'm going

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Speaker 5: to listen to Finding Cleo now, but the first one

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Speaker 5: who killed Alberta Williams was really good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I can't wait to listen to, but you have to

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Speaker 5: look up Missing and Murdered as the name.

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Speaker 1: The name of it is Missing and Murdered. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Um, I would, I liked that because I was also

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Speaker 2: but I wanted to say, like when we did our

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Speaker 2: high of the highway of tears, but the, there are

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Speaker 2: so many victims and there's no, there's kind of no

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Speaker 2: explain on Twitter that, Yeah. I've never tackled that because

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Speaker 2: once I started looking into it, it was this expansive.

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Speaker 1: And they each have their, they each should be their

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Speaker 5: Like Alberta Williams in this one is one of the

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Speaker 1: So it's so hard to.

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Speaker 2: Each one of those cases should be, it, it, it's like, it's,

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Speaker 2: it gets so vast. It's very much like the grim sleeper.

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Speaker 2: It had, it went on for so long that there

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Speaker 5: But then it's none of the women who this was

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Speaker 1: And that doesn't sound right. So I didn't do that one.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's kind of, yeah, that's not the point for

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Speaker 2: what that story is. So it's very cool that there

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Speaker 2: are people that are dedicating entire true crime podcasts to

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Speaker 2: that area. And, um, thank you guys for who, to

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Speaker 2: the people who brought all that stuff up for us

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Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Yeah. Yeah. Now fun times in the sunshine.

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Speaker 1: Let's go fun. Let's have some fun. Let's go to camp.

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Speaker 2: We had a little campy kind of event because on

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Speaker 2: the podcast, I said I wanted to take a tour

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Speaker 2: of jet propulsion laboratories, which is a place here in, um,

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Speaker 1: Mars is the only one I know. So in saying

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Speaker 2: Responses from people who actually worked at JPL who were like,

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Speaker 2: I can give you a tour. And the person that

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Speaker 2: I guess either Steven picked or seemed the most credible.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was the most high end.

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Speaker 1: Like we got the guy. I was betting it.

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Speaker 2: Steven was, he was only going for the superstars of JPL.

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Speaker 2: We got a guy who is an engineer named Lou

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Speaker 2: Gersh and he is in charge.

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Speaker 1: All right. Listen to this shit. He is in charge of.

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Speaker 2: Entry, Descent, and Landing Systems Analysis for the Europa Project.

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Speaker 1: Europa being a moon of Jupiter. Sure. Which Georgia knew.

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Speaker 1: She already knew that. Even though I didn't go because

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Speaker 2: It was our friend, Scotty Landis. And we took a

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Speaker 2: full on tour of this place. It's like this gorgeous

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Speaker 1: He's so cute. Like every, everywhere I looked, I.

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Speaker 1: Oh my God. It was incredible. Can I say, can

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Speaker 1: I tell you a love story? Sure. I know a

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Speaker 1: girl named Nicolette and her... Sheridan. Sheridan.

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Speaker 5: He was sending, when they first started dating, he was sending, listen,

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Speaker 5: I'm getting all of this wrong, but essentially he sent

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was the moon. I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: A fucking rock. He sent it to a thing, to

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Speaker 5: And he fucking wrote her name on the machine that

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Speaker 1: Oh, no. Nicolette.

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Speaker 5: So it's going to be there. And it's, you know,

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Speaker 5: he wrote her name.

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Speaker 1: That's like when you really like someone. Oh, my God.

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Speaker 1: It's so beautiful. How sweet is that? I love it.

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Speaker 2: All in all, just it was an incredible experience. Lou

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Speaker 2: was the best. He was the best guide. We got

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Speaker 2: to see the coolest things. He's an incredibly friendly, smart,

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Speaker 2: cool guy. And his wife, Lindsay, is also a listener.

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Speaker 2: So hi, you guys. And thank you so, so much.

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Speaker 2: we actually got to shop at the JPL gift store

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Speaker 2: at the end, bought my dad a hat, got my

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Speaker 1: I was going to buy you a shirt.

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Speaker 2: And then I looked at it. I was like, this

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Speaker 1: You just wanted to spend money. I did. It was

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Speaker 1: so fun to shop. And they had like, Stephen, you bought...

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Speaker 1: I bought... i bought space ice.

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Speaker 1: And just let them do the show. Opening number. Lead

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Speaker 1: Style and be like Angeline Cleavage and a fan across

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Speaker 1: The Oh, I shouldn't want to talk about it. Oh

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Speaker 1: But there's a really great photo that Robin Von Swing

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Speaker 5: And I look like I'm fucking hanging out with the

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Speaker 5: This for like the food video the food taste awards

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Speaker 1: I doubt it. No, you've got so much more ahead

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Speaker 1: How sassy I look in this. Yeah, I know. I know.

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Speaker 1: Who is that girl? Good luck with your fucking podcast.

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Speaker 5: I found a new, okay. I wonder if you've never

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Speaker 1: my God, how hot is the cup? It's crazy. And

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Speaker 5: And then the female cop's going to come along and

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Speaker 2: So that, and that guy started kissing that other guy.

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Speaker 5: He is the guy who plays a hot gay cop

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Speaker 1: It needs to keep happening. Yeah. But I don't know.

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Speaker 2: now it's just like, now you just got to put

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Speaker 2: up or shut up in your hometown.

441
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Speaker 1: It's going to be like.

442
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Speaker 5: Some of my girlfriends are coming and my fucking mom

443
00:20:31,900 --> 00:20:34,850
Speaker 5: and dad are coming and like my aunt might come and,

444
00:20:35,260 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 5: and then all our agents are going to be there.

445
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Speaker 1: It's going to be scary. It's like feels official. And

446
00:20:40,830 --> 00:20:45,130
Speaker 1: then it also feels like, you know, I also feel

447
00:20:45,150 --> 00:20:47,740
Speaker 1: like last time we, Played L.A. and did the Orpheum.

448
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,210
Speaker 1: I didn't do like it was I was new at it.

449
00:20:50,210 --> 00:20:50,290
Speaker 4: Yeah.

450
00:20:50,670 --> 00:20:53,090
Speaker 1: So I wasn't on my game. It was a while ago. Yeah.

451
00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:55,690
Speaker 1: And so I feel like I this is now my time.

452
00:20:55,470 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 5: To prove to all these L.A. people that I don't

453
00:20:58,660 --> 00:20:59,500
Speaker 5: suck anymore.

454
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Speaker 1: Which is hilarious. No pressure.

455
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,669
Speaker 2: As if you haven't been performing and posting live shows

456
00:21:05,770 --> 00:21:07,690
Speaker 2: where you, it's in no way suck.

457
00:21:07,710 --> 00:21:09,250
Speaker 1: But LA doesn't know that. No, I know.

458
00:21:09,410 --> 00:21:12,210
Speaker 2: LA doesn't know anything. And that's the problem is that like,

459
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:16,540
Speaker 2: it's very, when we, when this podcast started to actually

460
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,100
Speaker 2: get popular in a way that that actually mattered to

461
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,020
Speaker 2: me where I was just like, nah, like in the beginning,

462
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:23,859
Speaker 2: I just didn't buy it.

463
00:21:23,859 --> 00:21:25,359
Speaker 1: And you would show me things. I'd just be like,

464
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: this is a bunch of bullshit. And you'd be like,

465
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Speaker 1: stop getting excited. It's going to end.

466
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Speaker 2: Don't be, I just needed to curb your, I want,

467
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 2: I didn't want to see the heartbreak.

468
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,640
Speaker 1: I just wanted to get it over with. Like this

469
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,730
Speaker 1: thing is going to fucking snap back on both of

470
00:21:38,810 --> 00:21:41,929
Speaker 1: us so hard. You're going to regret the day that

471
00:21:41,950 --> 00:21:43,690
Speaker 1: you were happy. You will rue the day you asked

472
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Speaker 1: me over.

473
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Speaker 2: But so to have it, When something matters in LA,

474
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Speaker 2: I just, it's like, I've lived here for 25 years.

475
00:21:51,369 --> 00:21:54,390
Speaker 1: And nothing fucking matters. Like nothing punches through. Right.

476
00:21:54,630 --> 00:21:56,530
Speaker 2: So then to actually punch through, you think that's what

477
00:21:56,550 --> 00:21:59,189
Speaker 2: you want to do. Then it starts happening and you're like,

478
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Speaker 2: oh my God.

479
00:22:00,750 --> 00:22:03,359
Speaker 5: Well, I think that's like that for anyone with success

480
00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,520
Speaker 5: with low self-esteem or with like low self-worth is when

481
00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 5: you get success, you doubt it so much that you're

482
00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,730
Speaker 5: like any kind of Success.

483
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Speaker 1: You're like, bullshit. Who's fuck?

484
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:15,490
Speaker 5: Why are you fucking with me? You know, instead of

485
00:22:15,540 --> 00:22:17,590
Speaker 5: being like, this is great. And I'm enjoying it.

486
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,419
Speaker 1: Right. Because you plan for what you plan for how

487
00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:21,119
Speaker 1: it's going to happen.

488
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Speaker 5: And like my therapist told me, I worship at the

489
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,100
Speaker 5: altar of doubt. And so anything good that happens, I'm like, no.

490
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:29,460
Speaker 1: And here's why. And it's good that I feel this way.

491
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

492
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Speaker 1: Because now I'm taking care of myself. Right. It's just

493
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:34,780
Speaker 1: that it takes time to catch up.

494
00:22:34,859 --> 00:22:36,619
Speaker 2: So then I feel like I'm just catching up in

495
00:22:36,660 --> 00:22:39,070
Speaker 2: these last couple days where I was like, shoot, I

496
00:22:39,180 --> 00:22:41,869
Speaker 2: meant to lose 40 pounds. Oh, shoot, I meant to

497
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:44,070
Speaker 2: do this and that. Like, oh, shoot, we were going

498
00:22:44,090 --> 00:22:46,530
Speaker 2: to decorate the stage or whatever. Like, it felt like

499
00:22:46,690 --> 00:22:49,150
Speaker 2: we were supposed to do some big, like, we're auditioning

500
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Speaker 2: for our own show.

501
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Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, and I just was like, maybe we should

502
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Speaker 1: get our makeup done. Yeah.

503
00:22:53,619 --> 00:22:55,540
Speaker 5: And I emailed him like a friend and I'm like,

504
00:22:55,740 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 5: she's got to have a job that day. She's not

505
00:22:57,820 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 5: going to do it.

506
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Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I know it's going to be fun.

507
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,980
Speaker 2: And I know that when I am nervous for something,

508
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 2: which doesn't happen that often because I'm an old, been

509
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:09,459
Speaker 2: around the block.

510
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: You're being very mean to yourself this episode.

511
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,050
Speaker 5: And I'm going to have to ask you to stop

512
00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 5: being mean to my friend.

513
00:23:17,990 --> 00:23:21,940
Speaker 1: Okay. All right. But I'm just saying. It's fun to

514
00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:26,790
Speaker 1: be excited at this late date. It's going to be great.

515
00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:29,590
Speaker 1: It's all people supporting us except my mom. And it's

516
00:23:29,630 --> 00:23:32,170
Speaker 1: just going to be amazing. I'm just going to focus

517
00:23:32,210 --> 00:23:33,609
Speaker 1: on Janet's face the whole time.

518
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Speaker 5: If I don't do well, she'll be so disappointed in.

519
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Speaker 1: Me. Jesus.

520
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Speaker 3: Okay, we're back. I did have a corrections corner about

521
00:23:48,260 --> 00:23:54,409
Speaker 3: using the term transvestite when I meant transgender. And again,

522
00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:57,909
Speaker 3: apologies for that. You know, I feel like there were

523
00:23:57,930 --> 00:23:59,650
Speaker 3: so many things we were learning in the first couple

524
00:23:59,670 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 3: years of this podcast.

525
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,190
Speaker 1: Yeah. that. I'm so glad we did.

526
00:24:03,210 --> 00:24:07,660
Speaker 2: I feel like too, nowadays with the full cultural dominance

527
00:24:07,700 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: of drag, everybody knows their terminology and everybody's gotten a

528
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,380
Speaker 2: really good education. The people that care have gotten their

529
00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:17,820
Speaker 2: education about stuff like this. But I think we've proven

530
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: on this show that our hearts are in the right

531
00:24:19,859 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 2: place and that we're totally willing to learn.

532
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,780
Speaker 3: Totally. And correct ourselves for sure. And yeah, it's been

533
00:24:26,290 --> 00:24:29,590
Speaker 3: We've been lucky that we've been given that grace. Also

534
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Speaker 3: on the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women, Girls, and Two-Spirit

535
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:36,360
Speaker 3: People issue, there was a major update after this episode.

536
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: Canada's National Inquiry into Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and

537
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 3: Girls released its final report on June 3rd, 2019. And

538
00:24:44,380 --> 00:24:48,500
Speaker 3: Connie Walker also continued doing major investigative podcast work after

539
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,980
Speaker 3: Missing and Murdered. Her podcast, Stolen, Surviving St. Michael's, won

540
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 3: both a Pulitzer Prize and a Peabody Award in 2023.

541
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Speaker 3: And it was the first podcast series to win both

542
00:24:59,250 --> 00:25:01,050
Speaker 3: in the same year, which is so incredible.

543
00:25:01,210 --> 00:25:01,990
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

544
00:25:02,210 --> 00:25:06,350
Speaker 2: Connie Walker's work on this topic, on the Native topics

545
00:25:06,430 --> 00:25:11,129
Speaker 2: about the injustices of First Nation tribes in this country,

546
00:25:11,290 --> 00:25:14,930
Speaker 2: in Canada, just in general, but I think in Canada

547
00:25:15,010 --> 00:25:18,060
Speaker 2: and specifically for Connie Walker is amazing. I've been trying

548
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:22,770
Speaker 2: to work on story about residential schools for so long.

549
00:25:22,980 --> 00:25:25,570
Speaker 2: And Maren and I have been working, and Molly, you know,

550
00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:27,310
Speaker 2: all talking about it and working on it. But it

551
00:25:27,410 --> 00:25:31,409
Speaker 2: is such a vast, like, the amount and extremity of

552
00:25:31,670 --> 00:25:34,540
Speaker 2: abuse in those schools is so horrifying. It's like trying

553
00:25:34,580 --> 00:25:38,460
Speaker 2: to put a concise story together, you know, from my

554
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: point of view. It's taken forever because we're just like,

555
00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: how do we do this in a way that's actually

556
00:25:42,820 --> 00:25:46,340
Speaker 2: going to be helpful to these conversations. So, you know,

557
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,070
Speaker 2: until we figured out, definitely go support Connie Walker, listen

558
00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:53,550
Speaker 2: to Stolen, Surviving St. Michael's, listen to Missing and Murdered. Like,

559
00:25:54,150 --> 00:25:56,530
Speaker 2: a Native woman doing the work on behalf of her

560
00:25:56,570 --> 00:25:58,470
Speaker 2: own people, it's really powerful.

561
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Speaker 1: Do you remember that LA show? I do. It was

562
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Speaker 1: a good one.

563
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: That was the one where the house lights were basically

564
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: up the entire time. I could see every single person

565
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 2: in the audience at that show.

566
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Speaker 1: That makes it harder.

567
00:26:11,130 --> 00:26:13,669
Speaker 3: That really makes it harder when you can make eye

568
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Speaker 3: contact with people in, like, the back.

569
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Speaker 1: Also, it was a really beautiful theater. It was very gold. Yeah.

570
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 2: And it kind of felt, like, very fancy that night.

571
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Speaker 2: It was really fun.

572
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Speaker 1: It was cool being downtown, too, because, like, it's so historic.

573
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Speaker 3: You know, there's just, yeah, when we go in those

574
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,250
Speaker 3: old historic theaters, it makes it, it just fits our

575
00:26:34,430 --> 00:26:37,129
Speaker 3: creepy-ass haunted vibe so much.

576
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Speaker 1: Yeah. And to do that in Los Angeles, of all places,

577
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 1: is such an honor. Yeah, so exciting.

578
00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:45,580
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's get into George's story about the murder

579
00:26:45,780 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: of Rachel Hoffman.

580
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Speaker 1: I think it's you, right? Didn't I do it last time? Oh, okay.

581
00:26:58,330 --> 00:26:59,270
Speaker 1: I go first this time. Yeah.

582
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Speaker 5: Great. This is a case that I brought up a

583
00:27:04,300 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 5: while back and couldn't remember the name of it. And

584
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 5: everyone told me, of course, that was listening. And I couldn't,

585
00:27:11,820 --> 00:27:13,979
Speaker 5: I couldn't remember, but I was so obsessed with this

586
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,820
Speaker 5: when I first heard about it. So I'm so surprised

587
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 5: I haven't done this one yet. This is the murder

588
00:27:18,780 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 5: of Rachel Hoffman.

589
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,820
Speaker 1: Okay. And the creation of Rachel's Law.

590
00:27:23,780 --> 00:27:28,380
Speaker 5: And I heavily leaned on a 2012 New Yorker magazine

591
00:27:28,460 --> 00:27:31,950
Speaker 5: article called The Throwaways by Sarah Stillman. And like she

592
00:27:32,010 --> 00:27:34,010
Speaker 5: wrote the piece, it like won awards.

593
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:36,970
Speaker 1: It's so good. Okay, great. So she, listen, I just.

594
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,659
Speaker 1: Used a lot of her stuff. Cool. And she's, and

595
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: thank you. Okay.

596
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:46,859
Speaker 5: So Rachel Morningstar Hoffman was born December 17th, 1984. She

597
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:52,380
Speaker 5: was this bright, friendly, open, lovely person. Everyone who met

598
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 5: her loved her.

599
00:27:53,300 --> 00:27:56,900
Speaker 1: And by 2008. Oh, so recently. Okay.

600
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

601
00:28:01,580 --> 00:28:04,740
Speaker 5: By 2008. So she's 23 years old. She had just

602
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Speaker 5: graduated from Florida State University in Tallahassee.

603
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:08,990
Speaker 1: Also where Ted.

604
00:28:08,830 --> 00:28:15,010
Speaker 5: Bundy finished up with an undergraduate degree in criminal justice

605
00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:20,820
Speaker 5: and psychology. So she'd also interned as a mental health

606
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Speaker 5: at a mental health institute. And she had just been

607
00:28:23,980 --> 00:28:27,699
Speaker 5: admitted to a master's program in mental health counseling. But

608
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,130
Speaker 5: she was also considering culinary school because she wanted to

609
00:28:31,270 --> 00:28:36,130
Speaker 5: use cooking to connect with at-risk youth and counsel them

610
00:28:36,290 --> 00:28:36,909
Speaker 5: through cooking.

611
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Speaker 1: Wow. She's like a fucking good person. That's a great idea, too. Yeah. Right.

612
00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:46,100
Speaker 5: So picture like... young, pre, oh my God, what the fuck,

613
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,930
Speaker 5: Miley Cyrus. She kind of looked like that. Like, like

614
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:53,370
Speaker 5: little Hannah Montana before she transformed into Hannah, I don't know,

615
00:28:53,470 --> 00:28:54,590
Speaker 5: I didn't watch the show, but I was.

616
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Speaker 1: Long hair? Yeah, like long, pretty red hair, cute face.

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Speaker 5: She looked like, she looked like, like a a hippie,

618
00:29:01,350 --> 00:29:03,770
Speaker 5: like a hippie jock that you, you know, would know.

619
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Speaker 5: And she liked going to like fast music festivals, but

620
00:29:07,630 --> 00:29:11,350
Speaker 5: not like Coachella, you know, with the fucking not, she

621
00:29:11,390 --> 00:29:14,090
Speaker 5: wasn't using, um, cultural appropriation and going to like fish

622
00:29:14,150 --> 00:29:15,790
Speaker 5: concerts and jam bands and shit.

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Speaker 1: Why are you saying that? Like, that's so much better.

624
00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:21,700
Speaker 1: I mean, come on. I mean, I would both rather

625
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,060
Speaker 1: stay home, but I'm not a 23-year-old, am I? It's

626
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:27,420
Speaker 1: not an either or. There's so many other options. You're right.

627
00:29:27,860 --> 00:29:30,580
Speaker 1: She was Jewish. She had been, you know, whatever. And

628
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Speaker 1: she had a social media account for her cats. Her cat.

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Speaker 5: Whatever 2008 social media account was, she made one for

630
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:37,590
Speaker 5: her cat.

631
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Speaker 2: MySpace?

632
00:29:39,010 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, MySpace. But she'd go to.

633
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,740
Speaker 5: These music festivals with all her friends and she'd always

634
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 5: wear this crazy.

635
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,860
Speaker 1: Purple fluffy hat. That was her thing.

636
00:29:48,380 --> 00:29:52,080
Speaker 2: Her signature look. So it was Jamiroquai appropriation. Exactly.

637
00:29:52,340 --> 00:29:52,900
Speaker 1: Exactly.

638
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,500
Speaker 5: So she was an only child and she was close

639
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 5: to her parents. But what they didn't know was that

640
00:29:58,010 --> 00:30:02,550
Speaker 5: she was in a court ordered substance abuse program because

641
00:30:04,190 --> 00:30:07,370
Speaker 5: in February of 2007, while she was a senior in college,

642
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 5: Police had pulled her over for speeding and found almost

643
00:30:09,890 --> 00:30:11,380
Speaker 5: an ounce of pot in her car.

644
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Speaker 1: Oh. Which isn't a lot of pot, right? I don't

645
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: think so. Okay. But don't drive around with pot. Oh, no, no. No, no,

646
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,340
Speaker 1: don't do it. Especially in Florida. Oh, God, no. You

647
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, California, don't do it. Right. Florida, don't,

648
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: don't do it. Yeah.

649
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 5: So it required that she take regular drug testing. So

650
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,630
Speaker 5: instead of being charged with anything, they just made her

651
00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:37,230
Speaker 5: go to this court-ordered substance abuse program. Hawaii.

652
00:30:38,050 --> 00:30:38,270
Speaker 3: Right.

653
00:30:39,310 --> 00:30:41,620
Speaker 5: She wasn't in prison. I mean, she didn't stay there

654
00:30:41,630 --> 00:30:43,580
Speaker 5: or anything like that, but she had to go. And

655
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,100
Speaker 5: she was keeping that from her family? I don't think

656
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,380
Speaker 5: they knew. I'm pretty sure they didn't know. She did

657
00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 5: smoke pot, though, regularly, and she also sold it in

658
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 5: small quantities to her friends around campus.

659
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,270
Speaker 1: College shit. I'm not fucking saying it's okay at all.

660
00:31:00,490 --> 00:31:03,390
Speaker 2: But if you're wearing a big fuzzy hat, you're probably

661
00:31:03,410 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 2: going to sell small amounts of pot.

662
00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:08,940
Speaker 1: And smell it. And you're definitely smell like small amounts

663
00:31:08,980 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: of pot.

664
00:31:09,420 --> 00:31:12,380
Speaker 5: Well, it just so happens that her neighbors a year

665
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 5: later in April, 2008 smelled pot. It's funny that you

666
00:31:16,660 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 5: segmented into that and coming from her apartment. And, uh,

667
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,500
Speaker 5: we're like, call the cops. We're like, dude, you got

668
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,260
Speaker 5: to check this house out. I think it's a drug house.

669
00:31:27,140 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: I know. Um, okay. Uh, and so really chill neighbors, cool,

670
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: the best neighbors.

671
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 5: Um, I just remember when we lived in our old

672
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 5: place and our neighbors were like up in our faces,

673
00:31:41,860 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 5: like live so close to us. I once like yelled

674
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 5: at some kid to be quiet because he was screaming

675
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,380
Speaker 5: his fucking head off and his mom yelled, I know

676
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: what you guys do. Just because Boone smokes pot and

677
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,020
Speaker 5: she smelled it, you know?

678
00:31:53,380 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh no. Good comeback. I get it.

679
00:31:56,260 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: You're right.

680
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,340
Speaker 2: Your child should be able to scream as much as

681
00:31:58,380 --> 00:31:59,780
Speaker 2: he wants because we smoke pot.

682
00:32:01,490 --> 00:32:02,590
Speaker 1: Um, okay. Okay.

683
00:32:02,630 --> 00:32:05,910
Speaker 5: So they, when they search, they searched her apartment because

684
00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 5: of this and they found, um, just under a quarter

685
00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:12,420
Speaker 5: pound of weed, four ecstasy pills and two Valium pills.

686
00:32:13,350 --> 00:32:16,250
Speaker 5: And I asked Vince, baby, how much is a quarter

687
00:32:16,310 --> 00:32:18,410
Speaker 5: pound of marijuana? And he looked it up and told me.

688
00:32:18,430 --> 00:32:21,210
Speaker 5: And he said it would cost at that time around

689
00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:25,570
Speaker 5: $ 800 to $ 1, 000. So it's intent to sell probably as well.

690
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:26,550
Speaker 1: You don't have that much pot.

691
00:32:27,910 --> 00:32:31,450
Speaker 5: Because of this, she could face serious prison time for

692
00:32:31,510 --> 00:32:34,860
Speaker 5: felony charges, including possession of cannabis with intent to sell

693
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 5: and maintaining a drug house. So she's freaking the fuck

694
00:32:38,380 --> 00:32:40,820
Speaker 5: out over this. She had just gotten fucking admitted to

695
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 5: this master's program. You know, what am I going to do?

696
00:32:43,900 --> 00:32:44,740
Speaker 1: Blah, blah, blah.

697
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,270
Speaker 5: The officer in charge at this point, Ryan Pender, knew

698
00:32:51,310 --> 00:32:56,230
Speaker 5: that she was just a small time drug person supplying

699
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:59,010
Speaker 5: to her friends, wasn't a fucking kingpin or whatever.

700
00:32:59,030 --> 00:32:59,430
Speaker 1: Right.

701
00:32:59,770 --> 00:33:03,130
Speaker 5: So offers to make her a deal. All she has

702
00:33:03,150 --> 00:33:06,700
Speaker 5: to do is identify other marijuana drug users. dealers in

703
00:33:06,740 --> 00:33:07,730
Speaker 5: town do you know this one.

704
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,970
Speaker 2: I i feel like i have a shade of of

705
00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:13,370
Speaker 2: it yeah um oh my god here we go yeah

706
00:33:13,730 --> 00:33:16,590
Speaker 2: has to identify she just has to identify other pot

707
00:33:16,610 --> 00:33:18,770
Speaker 2: dealers in town and she'll get off they won't even

708
00:33:19,390 --> 00:33:23,090
Speaker 2: charge her with anything the answer has to be no

709
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:25,070
Speaker 2: always no i want a lawyer you can't be a

710
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,250
Speaker 2: snitch don't be a snitch.

711
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:29,450
Speaker 1: Don't do it you don't trust that that's what's going to.

712
00:33:29,430 --> 00:33:34,390
Speaker 2: Happen right The concept of anonymity, please, from all movies

713
00:33:34,450 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: and TV we know, that will be broken.

714
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: Well, here we go. Okay.

715
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: So she was like, no, I won't do that. Some

716
00:33:41,420 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 5: of those people are her friends, and she refused to

717
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 5: snitch on her friends. But then they were like, well,

718
00:33:47,310 --> 00:33:50,710
Speaker 5: how about then instead you become a confidential informant, CI,

719
00:33:50,770 --> 00:33:54,390
Speaker 5: they call them, in a drug sting operation, like a

720
00:33:54,430 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 5: bigger one. And she thought that any charges would be

721
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 5: reduced or even dropped. So she agreed to become a C.I.

722
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: Right.

723
00:34:02,500 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 5: So the next day she first tried to set up

724
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 5: another student at Florida State who was a small time

725
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,219
Speaker 5: campus dealer. And she felt so guilty about it that

726
00:34:12,260 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 5: she called the guy and was and told him what

727
00:34:14,860 --> 00:34:16,580
Speaker 5: she had planned to do.

728
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:17,710
Speaker 1: She's just like a.

729
00:34:18,180 --> 00:34:21,060
Speaker 5: Like look at her photo. She's like a sweet baby angel.

730
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 5: And not that it's okay, but she's clearly in her

731
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:24,500
Speaker 5: fucking head.

732
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:24,819
Speaker 1: Yes.

733
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,089
Speaker 2: Well, see, that's the thing is that idea that you're

734
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:29,770
Speaker 2: going to, here's how I'm going to solve things here.

735
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:32,350
Speaker 2: I'm going to get a little extra spending money by

736
00:34:32,430 --> 00:34:34,549
Speaker 2: not getting a job at Staples. What I'm going to

737
00:34:34,590 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: do is, is sell small amounts of reasonable pot.

738
00:34:39,180 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: And it's like, that's fine. Except for you are now

739
00:34:41,300 --> 00:34:42,420
Speaker 1: in the drug world. Exactly.

740
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: And that's how things spin out. past your control. Like

741
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 2: you're just pretending that you will have control.

742
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,940
Speaker 5: Yeah. And you keep doing that and you keep making

743
00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:54,140
Speaker 5: bigger and bigger bets. Like we were talking about exactly

744
00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:55,930
Speaker 5: like in Norwegian procedural dramas.

745
00:34:55,969 --> 00:35:00,630
Speaker 1: Yes. Ask, always get a lawyer immediately. Get that lawyer.

746
00:35:00,770 --> 00:35:04,549
Speaker 1: Keep your mouth shut. Yeah. Um, so the guy who

747
00:35:04,570 --> 00:35:05,690
Speaker 1: she called and was like, I'm sorry.

748
00:35:05,790 --> 00:35:08,810
Speaker 5: He, he forgave her, but also agreed to help her

749
00:35:09,010 --> 00:35:14,300
Speaker 5: with police stuff. So he, The police had told Rachel

750
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,330
Speaker 5: at this point that run-of-the-mill pop bus would not fucking suffice.

751
00:35:19,489 --> 00:35:22,710
Speaker 5: And they needed bigger dealers. So this was totally not

752
00:35:22,750 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 5: Rachel's fucking thing. She didn't know bigger dealers. But the

753
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 5: student that she had called was like, I know someone.

754
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 5: There's a dude at a car detailing shop near campus

755
00:35:36,140 --> 00:35:38,029
Speaker 5: who he's seen dealing drugs.

756
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,100
Speaker 1: And he said, I bet he can hook you up.

757
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,570
Speaker 1: So she didn't even know this guy. Oh, no.

758
00:35:42,820 --> 00:35:45,650
Speaker 5: So Rachel goes to the car shop and speaks with

759
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:49,610
Speaker 5: a guy. His name is Danilo Bradshaw. He's 23. And

760
00:35:49,730 --> 00:35:57,710
Speaker 5: he gets his brother-in-law, Andre Green, who's 25, to help

761
00:35:57,950 --> 00:36:00,750
Speaker 5: her as well. She lets them know she needs a

762
00:36:01,690 --> 00:36:05,530
Speaker 5: bunch of cocaine. Fifteen hundred ecstasy pills.

763
00:36:05,850 --> 00:36:06,370
Speaker 2: Oh, no.

764
00:36:07,050 --> 00:36:10,610
Speaker 1: And as she described it, a quote, small and pretty handgun.

765
00:36:11,950 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: What?

766
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,299
Speaker 5: So and they were like, why the fuck do you

767
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,420
Speaker 5: need you a little thing need a handgun? And she said,

768
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,340
Speaker 5: I'm a little Jewish girl. I need to protect myself.

769
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:22,180
Speaker 5: So this, I mean, she got caught with four XTC

770
00:36:22,219 --> 00:36:25,280
Speaker 5: pills and they're giving her the total amount that they,

771
00:36:25,739 --> 00:36:27,370
Speaker 5: that for all this would cost that they were going

772
00:36:27,390 --> 00:36:32,290
Speaker 5: to give her was $ 13, 000. So this is an amount

773
00:36:32,330 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 5: that is that way beyond her level of comprehension as

774
00:36:36,390 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 5: a drug person.

775
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:38,580
Speaker 1: Yeah.

776
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 2: The thinking behind this of like, we're going to get

777
00:36:40,900 --> 00:36:44,089
Speaker 2: a mole and it's a person who is not truly

778
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,650
Speaker 2: in the drug world.

779
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:48,590
Speaker 1: Totally. Like it's such a sideways approach. Right.

780
00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:51,210
Speaker 5: So on the afternoon of when the drug bust was

781
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:53,930
Speaker 5: supposed to go down, when she was going to bust them.

782
00:36:54,310 --> 00:36:58,250
Speaker 5: So Rachel goes to the police headquarters. And Officer Pender

783
00:36:58,530 --> 00:37:01,780
Speaker 5: places a surveillance wire and recording device in her purse,

784
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,379
Speaker 5: which I guess is totally against standard procedures. They usually

785
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,180
Speaker 5: hide it more and it's not in her purse.

786
00:37:06,420 --> 00:37:08,060
Speaker 1: Yeah. Which also is weird that she would have to

787
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,100
Speaker 1: keep her purse on her the whole time. Yes. Which

788
00:37:10,140 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: probably looks suspicious.

789
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:14,370
Speaker 5: Yeah. So they give her $ 13, 000 in marked bills. Can

790
00:37:14,410 --> 00:37:16,500
Speaker 5: you imagine carrying $ 13, 000 around with you?

791
00:37:16,550 --> 00:37:22,549
Speaker 1: I did a lot. just so I can get what

792
00:37:22,590 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: I want. You always need cash. I need, you always do.

793
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,260
Speaker 5: I always have to borrow like dollar bills for the valet.

794
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 5: For me, for some reason, I've never had dollar bills.

795
00:37:30,300 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: You know, it's really funny.

796
00:37:31,739 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 2: I can't remember what happened, but I, something happened where

797
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,700
Speaker 2: I didn't have use of my ATM card.

798
00:37:37,739 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure I lost it.

799
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: Or I just, a thing I often do is just

800
00:37:41,620 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 2: entirely blank on the pin.

801
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: Like I'll just be standing there. I'll be like, no

802
00:37:45,780 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: idea what that is. Use it every day.

803
00:37:47,620 --> 00:37:48,180
Speaker 5: No idea.

804
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 1: Oh, I've done that like twice. But so I keep,

805
00:37:52,870 --> 00:37:54,850
Speaker 1: somewhere in my home. Why would I ever say this?

806
00:37:55,110 --> 00:37:57,969
Speaker 1: But I mean, I, I keep cash so that I

807
00:37:58,010 --> 00:38:00,970
Speaker 1: can always have it because that's kind of my weird fear.

808
00:38:00,989 --> 00:38:02,450
Speaker 1: So I also squirrel it away.

809
00:38:02,489 --> 00:38:05,819
Speaker 2: Like just put, I'll put like $ 3 bills in my

810
00:38:05,860 --> 00:38:06,430
Speaker 2: car somewhere.

811
00:38:06,450 --> 00:38:08,739
Speaker 1: Do you remember where you keep all of it? No, no, no.

812
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,739
Speaker 2: It's just like, I don't think about it. I don't

813
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,180
Speaker 2: want to look at it. It's just like, I know

814
00:38:12,260 --> 00:38:13,860
Speaker 2: something is there just in case they need it.

815
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 5: Well, they say like for the end days, you know,

816
00:38:16,140 --> 00:38:19,140
Speaker 5: like you told, keep your gas tank full, but also

817
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,340
Speaker 5: hide money in your house.

818
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,580
Speaker 2: Hide money and make sure the money is gold doubloons

819
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,660
Speaker 2: because no cash money won't help you.

820
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 5: Well, you know, my fucking dad bought me silver. He's like,

821
00:38:29,750 --> 00:38:30,370
Speaker 5: That's true.

822
00:38:30,530 --> 00:38:32,830
Speaker 1: Silver. Paper money is not going to have any value

823
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:35,730
Speaker 1: during the end days. Right. Silver will always have value.

824
00:38:36,010 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: He thinks that's what's going to happen?

825
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:38,339
Speaker 4: Uh-huh.

826
00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: Why doesn't he buy you a whole bunch of bananas?

827
00:38:40,540 --> 00:38:46,219
Speaker 2: Because that third Mad Max, fresh fruit was just the

828
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,340
Speaker 2: ultimate trading item.

829
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Karen's on to something. Remember? Just get... I don't know

830
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:53,090
Speaker 1: if bananas have seeds or if you have to grow

831
00:38:53,140 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: a tree or whatever.

832
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,830
Speaker 5: Get a banana tree. There is a mini banana tree

833
00:38:56,850 --> 00:38:57,710
Speaker 5: in this complex.

834
00:38:57,770 --> 00:39:01,609
Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah. I can't imagine they're edible. Just

835
00:39:01,660 --> 00:39:03,859
Speaker 1: build a little fence around it and say, please. This

836
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: is mine. Put a post-it note that says, this is

837
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,340
Speaker 1: my yogurt. Don't eat these bananas.

838
00:39:09,500 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: I have a lemon tree, but that's just going to

839
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: give me a bunch of canker sores.

840
00:39:13,989 --> 00:39:16,009
Speaker 1: I want it. No, everyone's going to need a, what's

841
00:39:16,070 --> 00:39:19,370
Speaker 1: it called? Citrus? Yeah, but the vitamin C. So they

842
00:39:19,390 --> 00:39:20,010
Speaker 1: don't get scurvy?

843
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:20,510
Speaker 3: Yeah.

844
00:39:20,850 --> 00:39:23,310
Speaker 1: Okay, then I have to build my fence out around

845
00:39:23,370 --> 00:39:24,650
Speaker 1: my lemon tree now. And we're going to drink your

846
00:39:24,670 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: pool water. Yeah. Frank already drinks the pool water all

847
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:31,299
Speaker 1: the time. Fucking Frank. jacuzzi cat drinks the fucking pool

848
00:39:31,340 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 1: water too.

849
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,660
Speaker 2: And they they do it i'm i can guarantee you

850
00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:37,460
Speaker 2: that the owner of jacuzzi cat there they have like

851
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,219
Speaker 2: a one of those water things that has like a

852
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,060
Speaker 2: waterfall in it and they still won't drink that.

853
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:47,690
Speaker 1: Stuff animals Am I right? Make them a MySpace page.

854
00:39:48,070 --> 00:39:51,190
Speaker 5: My cats already have an Instagram account. OK, so they

855
00:39:51,210 --> 00:39:54,230
Speaker 5: the police assure her that they're that they would be

856
00:39:54,290 --> 00:39:58,450
Speaker 5: watching her the entire time and listening. There were 19

857
00:39:58,450 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 5: law enforcement agents tracking her and a Drug Enforcement Administration

858
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,540
Speaker 5: surveillance plan plan or plane was circling overhead.

859
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,140
Speaker 1: So they she thought that they were she was taken

860
00:40:10,180 --> 00:40:10,899
Speaker 1: care of. Right.

861
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,219
Speaker 5: So she's supposed to meet the guys, the drug dealers,

862
00:40:14,340 --> 00:40:17,310
Speaker 5: at a public park. And then all these weird things

863
00:40:17,350 --> 00:40:19,310
Speaker 5: happen like on her way there, or maybe she had

864
00:40:19,350 --> 00:40:21,270
Speaker 5: met them and they're like, let's go to a different location,

865
00:40:21,310 --> 00:40:24,739
Speaker 5: which she wasn't supposed to do. Um, they go to

866
00:40:24,780 --> 00:40:29,180
Speaker 5: that location and then the agents had, you know, she

867
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,379
Speaker 5: had been breaking up because it was like an outdoor park.

868
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,219
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of sales service. It was not

869
00:40:34,260 --> 00:40:39,430
Speaker 1: an indoor park. It was not. Wow. There was not

870
00:40:39,450 --> 00:40:43,859
Speaker 1: the bio dome. It wasn't. Um, this is the saddest thing.

871
00:40:43,900 --> 00:40:46,700
Speaker 5: Her boyfriend, when she texted him that she's on her way,

872
00:40:46,739 --> 00:40:48,660
Speaker 5: her boyfriend joked, uh.

873
00:40:48,860 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 1: Texted, I kind of like you, so be safe. Oh no.

874
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 5: So then she, so she loses contact with the officer

875
00:40:58,540 --> 00:41:01,779
Speaker 5: while she's on her way to the second location. And

876
00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 5: by the time he hears from her again, she tells

877
00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:07,589
Speaker 5: him that she's following them to another location. And this

878
00:41:07,670 --> 00:41:10,950
Speaker 5: one's at the end of a dead end, uh, road. Uh,

879
00:41:11,590 --> 00:41:14,830
Speaker 5: And before, this is what officer Pender says, before he

880
00:41:14,850 --> 00:41:17,150
Speaker 5: tell her not to go, knowing that a dead end

881
00:41:17,170 --> 00:41:19,469
Speaker 5: road is a really bad thing to be caught in,

882
00:41:19,810 --> 00:41:21,509
Speaker 5: he loses contact with her completely again.

883
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:25,410
Speaker 1: But she didn't know that they had lost contact with her. Yeah,

884
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:29,790
Speaker 1: because she's not a fucking cop. She's not a trained anything. Exactly. Oh,

885
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:31,300
Speaker 1: she didn't know they lost contact?

886
00:41:31,430 --> 00:41:33,339
Speaker 5: She didn't know that they couldn't even hear her wire.

887
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:35,100
Speaker 5: Because how would she know?

888
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:35,420
Speaker 1: Right.

889
00:41:35,860 --> 00:41:37,319
Speaker 5: Because she had been on the cell phone with her

890
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 5: that dies and she's like, well, I'm still wired, so.

891
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:41,109
Speaker 1: So she didn't know.

892
00:41:41,340 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: And there was a helicopter at some point, so they

893
00:41:43,460 --> 00:41:45,260
Speaker 2: must be monitoring me in some way.

894
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:46,460
Speaker 1: Right.

895
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 5: So at this point, officers begin frantically searching the area,

896
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,340
Speaker 5: trying to find her. And the DEA plane circles overhead,

897
00:41:56,380 --> 00:41:59,100
Speaker 5: but there's like, because it's an outdoor park, there's all

898
00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:04,110
Speaker 5: this dense brush overhead so they can't see anything. Um,

899
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:06,969
Speaker 5: by the time they find the road and the turnoff,

900
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:10,029
Speaker 5: Rachel and her car gone, everyone's gone. And instead they

901
00:42:10,070 --> 00:42:15,710
Speaker 5: found a spent 25 caliber round and two live ammunition rounds,

902
00:42:16,270 --> 00:42:19,310
Speaker 5: six cigarette butts and a single black flip-flop, which Rachel

903
00:42:19,350 --> 00:42:20,110
Speaker 5: had been wearing.

904
00:42:19,890 --> 00:42:20,830
Speaker 1: When she left the station.

905
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:21,410
Speaker 2: Oh no.

906
00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:24,770
Speaker 1: I remember reading about this when it happened in 2008.

907
00:42:24,770 --> 00:42:29,910
Speaker 5: So I was like 28 and like just being so sad,

908
00:42:30,010 --> 00:42:34,710
Speaker 5: but also I was picturing her and what, and how that, how,

909
00:42:34,770 --> 00:42:36,610
Speaker 5: you know, when she knew something was going down and

910
00:42:36,650 --> 00:42:38,549
Speaker 5: how awful that would have felt, but also, you know,

911
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:41,489
Speaker 5: I had dabbled in drugs before and how easily I,

912
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:45,140
Speaker 5: you know, she was this Jewish girl who was just

913
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,020
Speaker 5: fucking around and having this time in her life when

914
00:42:48,060 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 5: she was trying something new and made bad decisions, which

915
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,779
Speaker 5: I totally did too. Yeah.

916
00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:55,540
Speaker 1: There's no reason I, I wouldn't have been in that

917
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: situation as well. Right.

918
00:42:56,980 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: So it's, it's just, And it's the thing of which,

919
00:42:59,930 --> 00:43:02,950
Speaker 2: which happens to people, uh, of all walks of life

920
00:43:02,989 --> 00:43:04,750
Speaker 2: all the time, which is you did a bad, we

921
00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:06,690
Speaker 2: caught you doing a very minor bad thing.

922
00:43:07,350 --> 00:43:08,730
Speaker 1: Your life's ruined.

923
00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:11,489
Speaker 2: Or now you have to get involved in this other

924
00:43:11,550 --> 00:43:13,330
Speaker 2: thing that you like.

925
00:43:13,410 --> 00:43:15,150
Speaker 1: Now you just have no choice. Now you're kind of

926
00:43:15,350 --> 00:43:19,299
Speaker 1: our pawn. Right. And just so frightening. Yeah. Just that

927
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: feeling of having no choice and no way to get

928
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: out of a situation.

929
00:43:23,020 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 5: Yeah.

930
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,540
Speaker 1: You always do. Even if it's fucking going to jail

931
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,419
Speaker 1: for nine months, uh, you know, it happens.

932
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,580
Speaker 2: Take the hit like Henry Hill and just fucking do

933
00:43:31,620 --> 00:43:32,140
Speaker 2: your time.

934
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: And what am I saying? I would never. Karen's going

935
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: out in a blaze. I mean, no way. No way.

936
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:43,860
Speaker 1: I'm going back to jail. No way. Okay.

937
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,970
Speaker 5: Uh, so at this point, Rachel had been working as

938
00:43:48,010 --> 00:43:50,270
Speaker 5: a CI for the police department for almost three weeks.

939
00:43:50,290 --> 00:43:54,330
Speaker 1: That's it. And she, and yeah. So Let's fucking veer

940
00:43:54,430 --> 00:43:57,569
Speaker 1: off and talk about CIs for a minute. Rachel was

941
00:43:57,610 --> 00:43:58,089
Speaker 1: just one.

942
00:43:58,210 --> 00:44:01,110
Speaker 5: And this whole article, this amazing article by Sarah Stillman

943
00:44:01,489 --> 00:44:03,549
Speaker 5: has a lot of information about this. I'm just kind

944
00:44:03,590 --> 00:44:08,130
Speaker 5: of picking some parts, obviously. So Rachel was just one

945
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:13,069
Speaker 5: of thousands of people every year that helped police build cases.

946
00:44:13,150 --> 00:44:16,779
Speaker 1: In exchange for leniency of their own cases, as we know.

947
00:44:17,930 --> 00:44:20,330
Speaker 5: And it's estimated up to 80% of all drug cases

948
00:44:20,350 --> 00:44:22,750
Speaker 5: in America involve CIs. Yeah.

949
00:44:22,850 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: That's crazy. 80%? 80%.

950
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:27,700
Speaker 5: And this is partly because police departments have these crazy

951
00:44:27,739 --> 00:44:30,300
Speaker 5: budget issues. They don't have the kind of money to

952
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,060
Speaker 5: get undercover officers. And untrained CIs are the only way

953
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,259
Speaker 5: they can bust these people. And it's a small town.

954
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,550
Speaker 5: They know the cops. Everyone knows who the cops are.

955
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 5: They're not going to send one of them in a

956
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,580
Speaker 5: fucking fake mustache and be like, I'll have some drugs, please.

957
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,950
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't just Donnie Brasco it up when you're

958
00:44:46,989 --> 00:44:48,410
Speaker 2: in like small town America.

959
00:44:48,450 --> 00:44:48,969
Speaker 1: Exactly.

960
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:54,049
Speaker 5: But it also means that they're sending out untrained, sometimes juvenile, juvenile, juvenile.

961
00:44:54,070 --> 00:45:00,390
Speaker 1: I thought you were going to say sometimes Jewish. Sometimes

962
00:45:00,469 --> 00:45:01,770
Speaker 1: even Jewish. Can you believe it?

963
00:45:02,310 --> 00:45:04,750
Speaker 5: Occasionally as young as 14 or 15.

964
00:45:04,750 --> 00:45:05,090
Speaker 1: No.

965
00:45:05,469 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 5: Sometimes addicted people. To do and place them as undercover officers.

966
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:10,609
Speaker 1: Yeah.

967
00:45:11,300 --> 00:45:15,230
Speaker 5: So another factor that came into play with this whole

968
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:18,130
Speaker 5: fucking fiasco is that the is the war on drugs.

969
00:45:18,370 --> 00:45:18,589
Speaker 3: Yeah.

970
00:45:18,610 --> 00:45:20,210
Speaker 1: Remember our favorite fucking topic.

971
00:45:20,290 --> 00:45:23,950
Speaker 5: Yeah. In the mid 80s, Congress enacted federal sentencing guidelines

972
00:45:23,989 --> 00:45:28,790
Speaker 5: that imposed harsh mandatory minimums for even fucking petty drug offenses.

973
00:45:29,410 --> 00:45:32,530
Speaker 5: Which means that some sentences for marijuana sales were longer

974
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:33,470
Speaker 5: than those for murder.

975
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,500
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's horrifying. It's ridiculous. And of course, that meant

976
00:45:37,580 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: that the U.S.

977
00:45:38,380 --> 00:45:42,020
Speaker 5: Prison population over the course of that decade doubled and

978
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,500
Speaker 5: drug informants surged.

979
00:45:45,739 --> 00:45:47,850
Speaker 1: But the problem with the CI system is that it's

980
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:49,270
Speaker 1: totally unreliable.

981
00:45:49,290 --> 00:45:53,250
Speaker 5: It's usually young people from lower income communities, often black

982
00:45:53,290 --> 00:45:56,490
Speaker 5: and Latino, who are under pressure to be informants because

983
00:45:56,870 --> 00:46:01,299
Speaker 5: they face, you know, so much more if they get

984
00:46:01,340 --> 00:46:03,339
Speaker 5: caught with these drugs and if they get put to

985
00:46:03,580 --> 00:46:04,779
Speaker 5: take them to jail and.

986
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: You know, they have no choice.

987
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:13,900
Speaker 5: Yes. But to do this, uh, in one fucking insane case, LeBron, uh, Gaither,

988
00:46:13,980 --> 00:46:15,910
Speaker 5: he's a 16 year old student at a public high

989
00:46:15,950 --> 00:46:20,730
Speaker 5: school in Lebanon, Kentucky, uh, So in a uncharacteristic of him,

990
00:46:20,969 --> 00:46:24,590
Speaker 5: he gets in an argument with his school's assistant principal

991
00:46:24,670 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: and punches him in the face. Oh, uh, he's taken

992
00:46:27,660 --> 00:46:32,060
Speaker 5: into custody for juvenile assault and without a lawyer or

993
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 5: parent present, the, an officer from the Kentucky state police

994
00:46:35,300 --> 00:46:40,069
Speaker 5: tells him he could go to prison. Uh, but he, if,

995
00:46:40,140 --> 00:46:42,710
Speaker 5: unless he agreed to become a local drug informant. So

996
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:47,340
Speaker 5: this isn't even a fucking drug charge. Um, After a sting,

997
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:50,770
Speaker 5: LeBron had to testify before a grand jury against the

998
00:46:50,810 --> 00:46:55,029
Speaker 5: drug dealer he'd set up, Jason Noel. Jason Noel then

999
00:46:55,070 --> 00:46:58,950
Speaker 5: makes bail. And the very next day, the police send

1000
00:46:58,969 --> 00:47:01,870
Speaker 5: LeBron back to him to do another sting on the

1001
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: guy he had just testified against, thinking that he didn't

1002
00:47:04,700 --> 00:47:06,140
Speaker 5: know who was the snitch.

1003
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: What?

1004
00:47:08,780 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 5: So they sent LeBron wearing a wire to buy more

1005
00:47:11,260 --> 00:47:15,370
Speaker 5: drugs from LeBron. this dude, it turns out that of course,

1006
00:47:15,469 --> 00:47:19,049
Speaker 5: Jason Noel, the drug dealer knew that LeBron was the

1007
00:47:19,110 --> 00:47:22,230
Speaker 5: one who was snitching on him because everyone finds out everything. Right.

1008
00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:26,589
Speaker 1: Well, and also those drug dealers, it's their business. Right. Right.

1009
00:47:26,610 --> 00:47:29,109
Speaker 1: They have to be like three steps ahead. Yeah.

1010
00:47:29,150 --> 00:47:31,330
Speaker 5: And it's like, if it was another officer that was

1011
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:35,649
Speaker 5: being sent out undercover, his officer buddies would fucking make

1012
00:47:35,710 --> 00:47:37,710
Speaker 5: sure he was safe, but it's just some person that

1013
00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:40,250
Speaker 5: they don't care about and are not, you know, it's

1014
00:47:40,330 --> 00:47:42,570
Speaker 5: not their business to, make sure that this person is

1015
00:47:43,270 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 5: neither trained nor really safe. Right. Okay. So, so detectives

1016
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:53,540
Speaker 5: lose track of LeBron and, uh, during the sting and

1017
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:57,380
Speaker 5: Jason Noel drives off with him, LeBron is tortured, beaten

1018
00:47:57,420 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 5: with a bat shot, run over by a car and

1019
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,230
Speaker 5: dragged by a chain through the woods and dies. And

1020
00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:10,270
Speaker 5: it wasn't until 2014. So this was in, um, I

1021
00:48:10,310 --> 00:48:14,830
Speaker 5: think it's 98. I didn't write it down. 2014, 18

1022
00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 5: years after his death. Yeah.

1023
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: What's the math? No idea.

1024
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 5: The Supreme Court ruled in favor of his. So they

1025
00:48:20,660 --> 00:48:23,720
Speaker 5: fucking ruled in favor of his family in wrongful death.

1026
00:48:23,940 --> 00:48:28,530
Speaker 5: It got over fucking turned. Well, it's so frustrating. Then finally,

1027
00:48:28,830 --> 00:48:31,350
Speaker 5: the Supreme Court overturned that overturning rule.

1028
00:48:32,250 --> 00:48:32,850
Speaker 1: And in his.

1029
00:48:32,810 --> 00:48:37,330
Speaker 5: Wrongful death suit, and they're awarded $ 148, 000, which is not enough.

1030
00:48:39,150 --> 00:48:40,850
Speaker 1: None of it is enough, obviously.

1031
00:48:40,950 --> 00:48:43,169
Speaker 2: But I bet you that's that thing of when they're,

1032
00:48:43,230 --> 00:48:47,190
Speaker 2: they've built a system around this kind of, like these

1033
00:48:47,250 --> 00:48:48,030
Speaker 2: kind of setups.

1034
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:48,270
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1035
00:48:48,550 --> 00:48:51,930
Speaker 2: So when that system crumbles, they have to make sure

1036
00:48:51,989 --> 00:48:54,230
Speaker 2: people can't then retroactively sue them.

1037
00:48:54,270 --> 00:48:57,089
Speaker 1: Right. Because there could be so many people that could

1038
00:48:57,130 --> 00:48:57,810
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah.

1039
00:48:57,950 --> 00:49:00,230
Speaker 2: Have you, I mean, people tweet these things on Twitter

1040
00:49:00,250 --> 00:49:03,500
Speaker 2: all the time where, Like in California and places where drugs,

1041
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: you know, pot's legal or becoming legal or whatever. There's

1042
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 2: these people who are like, here's this woman who made

1043
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,170
Speaker 2: $ 3 million in her new pot business of making edibles.

1044
00:49:13,310 --> 00:49:14,050
Speaker 1: Aren't these cute?

1045
00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:16,810
Speaker 2: And then it's like, and here's this black teenager who

1046
00:49:16,830 --> 00:49:18,670
Speaker 2: was sent to jail for.

1047
00:49:18,270 --> 00:49:19,910
Speaker 1: 50 years because they dealt.

1048
00:49:20,030 --> 00:49:20,330
Speaker 5: Pot.

1049
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 2: And it's like, there's somebody who tweets it all the time,

1050
00:49:23,390 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: but it's really mind blowing of like that white cultural

1051
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:30,620
Speaker 2: filter of when white people make pot for each other,

1052
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:32,980
Speaker 2: it's cool because we have cancer and we have pain

1053
00:49:33,219 --> 00:49:36,060
Speaker 2: and CBD oil and blah, blah, blah. And when black

1054
00:49:36,100 --> 00:49:39,210
Speaker 2: people deal pot, you're a criminal and.

1055
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:41,100
Speaker 1: You should be, you should go away to jail forever.

1056
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,620
Speaker 1: And it's super fucked up.

1057
00:49:42,660 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 5: I mean, and then in a, in a couple of years,

1058
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: in a decade and two, like when pot is decriminalized everywhere,

1059
00:49:49,460 --> 00:49:52,930
Speaker 5: if we're going to look back and be horrified at

1060
00:49:53,850 --> 00:49:57,149
Speaker 5: how we've been treating people who are addicted and smoke

1061
00:49:57,210 --> 00:50:00,620
Speaker 5: pot and, I mean, more than anything, that's the problem

1062
00:50:00,660 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 5: is you need to treat the people who are addicted

1063
00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 5: to drugs and need help rather than.

1064
00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:08,509
Speaker 2: I wouldn't prioritize pot in that because that's so many

1065
00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:12,129
Speaker 2: people are able to live their lives doing pot. There's

1066
00:50:12,190 --> 00:50:15,070
Speaker 2: people who are on Oxycontin who drive like city buses

1067
00:50:15,130 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: and shit. Like there's an Oxycontin problem in this country

1068
00:50:18,489 --> 00:50:24,060
Speaker 2: that's ravaging like certain states. And I mean, that's, you know,

1069
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:26,400
Speaker 2: the war on drugs is almost like bit itself in

1070
00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:29,540
Speaker 2: the ass because now we just have pharmaceutical companies that

1071
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:30,259
Speaker 2: are like, oh.

1072
00:50:30,340 --> 00:50:32,960
Speaker 1: Our drugs are fine. Yeah. You can't do those drugs.

1073
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:36,140
Speaker 5: And we'll pay the doctors money if they prescribe them,

1074
00:50:36,300 --> 00:50:38,489
Speaker 5: even though they're not necessary and they know they're addictive

1075
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:40,390
Speaker 5: and we're lying to you about how fucking addictive they are.

1076
00:50:40,410 --> 00:50:43,790
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. It's very dark. It's very dark. It's fucked. I

1077
00:50:43,830 --> 00:50:48,690
Speaker 1: watch Intervention. I'm going to watch all those shows. Okay.

1078
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:54,610
Speaker 5: There's also a case, and this, so LeBron was African-American.

1079
00:50:54,850 --> 00:50:59,700
Speaker 5: Shelly Hilliard, she's an African-American teen from Detroit, and she

1080
00:50:59,739 --> 00:51:02,380
Speaker 5: was caught with half an ounce of marijuana, which is

1081
00:51:02,460 --> 00:51:05,020
Speaker 5: not a lot, threatened with jail time, but it was

1082
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:09,950
Speaker 5: especially scary for her because she is trans and And

1083
00:51:09,989 --> 00:51:11,810
Speaker 5: so she would have been sent to a.

1084
00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:14,290
Speaker 1: Male prison, which is super scary for her.

1085
00:51:14,810 --> 00:51:18,489
Speaker 5: So she agrees to become a CI. They set her

1086
00:51:19,110 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 5: up to set up her drug dealer. He finds out

1087
00:51:22,780 --> 00:51:28,140
Speaker 5: and ultimately strangles, mutilates, burns, and dismembers.

1088
00:51:27,660 --> 00:51:29,750
Speaker 1: Shelly's body because she set him up.

1089
00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:33,540
Speaker 5: One witness in the murder case testifies that the police

1090
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:35,750
Speaker 5: had revealed Shelly's identity to her dealer.

1091
00:51:36,210 --> 00:51:38,250
Speaker 1: What? All for an ounce of weed.

1092
00:51:40,010 --> 00:51:41,750
Speaker 5: I mean, I know. Okay.

1093
00:51:41,770 --> 00:51:42,290
Speaker 1: Back to Rachel.

1094
00:51:42,310 --> 00:51:42,850
Speaker 4: Okay.

1095
00:51:43,170 --> 00:51:47,610
Speaker 1: So the morning after her disappearance, she's disappeared. The cops

1096
00:51:47,930 --> 00:51:51,330
Speaker 1: call her parents and they're like, Hey, have you seen Rachel?

1097
00:51:51,350 --> 00:51:54,850
Speaker 1: Do you know where she is? Yeah. And they don't even, yeah.

1098
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:57,989
Speaker 5: So they're like, what the fuck? They go to Tallahassee.

1099
00:51:58,130 --> 00:52:00,690
Speaker 5: They're only told that Rachel is missing. Not that she

1100
00:52:00,710 --> 00:52:04,300
Speaker 5: was a CI, um, or the circumstances of her disappearance.

1101
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,020
Speaker 5: They don't tell her them, her parents, anything. They go

1102
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 5: back to Rachel's apartment to wait and, you know, for

1103
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,180
Speaker 5: next steps or whatever. They turn on the news and

1104
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,450
Speaker 5: that's when they discover that she had, quote, provided assistance

1105
00:52:16,489 --> 00:52:18,090
Speaker 5: during a police operation.

1106
00:52:18,170 --> 00:52:19,990
Speaker 1: But they find out on TV. On the TV.

1107
00:52:20,090 --> 00:52:24,190
Speaker 5: And that then they find out that the officials suspect

1108
00:52:24,350 --> 00:52:25,549
Speaker 5: foul play is going on.

1109
00:52:25,570 --> 00:52:27,189
Speaker 1: So they don't even know that there was foul play.

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00:52:27,210 --> 00:52:28,570
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1111
00:52:29,350 --> 00:52:33,190
Speaker 5: So then on May 9th, 2008, after a two-day search,

1112
00:52:33,570 --> 00:52:36,950
Speaker 5: after Rachel disappears, the two suspects are caught near Orlando

1113
00:52:37,410 --> 00:52:40,620
Speaker 5: and they lead police to a dry creek bed in

1114
00:52:40,700 --> 00:52:44,380
Speaker 5: rural Taylor County, which is southeast of Tallahassee, where Rachel's

1115
00:52:44,420 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 5: body is found.

1116
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:46,540
Speaker 1: Wow.

1117
00:52:46,700 --> 00:52:49,420
Speaker 5: It turns out Rachel, and then it turns out that

1118
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 5: the two drug dealers had fucking pegged her as a

1119
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,610
Speaker 5: mark from the beginning. And they had never intended to

1120
00:52:55,650 --> 00:52:58,850
Speaker 5: sell her any drugs. All the ecstasy was fucking aspirin.

1121
00:52:59,650 --> 00:53:01,390
Speaker 5: So they were going to trick her to begin with.

1122
00:53:01,510 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 5: So it was even a stupid fucking thing to begin with. Um,

1123
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 5: and then it's, it's totally, it's not totally clear because

1124
00:53:09,420 --> 00:53:11,339
Speaker 5: no one knows exactly what happened, but it's thought that

1125
00:53:11,460 --> 00:53:15,549
Speaker 5: they found the wire in her purse and, uh, freaked

1126
00:53:15,570 --> 00:53:18,089
Speaker 5: the fuck out. They shot her five times in the

1127
00:53:18,110 --> 00:53:21,330
Speaker 5: head and chest. So at a press conference at the

1128
00:53:21,370 --> 00:53:25,330
Speaker 5: fucking scene, while her body is still there, officer Dave

1129
00:53:25,489 --> 00:53:29,830
Speaker 5: McCraney McCraney of the Tallahassee police department says, quote, at

1130
00:53:29,870 --> 00:53:33,050
Speaker 5: some point during the investigation, she chose not to follow

1131
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 5: the instructions. She met Green and Bradshaw on her own.

1132
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 5: That meeting ultimately resulted in her murder. So they're immediately

1133
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:42,980
Speaker 5: saying it was her own fault because she went to

1134
00:53:43,020 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 5: another location. Which is like, can you imagine if she

1135
00:53:45,260 --> 00:53:46,839
Speaker 5: went to one location and they were like, let's go

1136
00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 5: to another one, and she was like, no, and refused to?

1137
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:53,020
Speaker 1: Right. And she thinks there's a plane, there's 19 officers,

1138
00:53:53,060 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: she's being followed. She's never done this before. She's never

1139
00:53:56,420 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: done this before. Yeah.

1140
00:54:00,930 --> 00:54:04,250
Speaker 5: And friends and family of Rachel are fucking pissed that

1141
00:54:04,270 --> 00:54:06,330
Speaker 5: the police were trying to portray her also as a

1142
00:54:06,410 --> 00:54:08,970
Speaker 5: hardcore drug dealer, like criminal, even though she had never

1143
00:54:08,989 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 5: been convicted of any crimes. Um, and in the media

1144
00:54:13,140 --> 00:54:15,779
Speaker 5: and that because she didn't follow directions, her murder was

1145
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,420
Speaker 5: her own fault. That's what they were trying to make

1146
00:54:17,460 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 5: it seem. Uh, Rachel's parents are fucking pissed. Um, so

1147
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,460
Speaker 5: Irv Hoffman and Margie Weiss, they decided to put all

1148
00:54:25,500 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 5: their energy into making policy changes to the way CIs

1149
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,580
Speaker 5: are used. So they wanted answers to questions like, why

1150
00:54:31,620 --> 00:54:34,060
Speaker 5: was Rachel used in such a high-risk police thing when

1151
00:54:34,100 --> 00:54:36,500
Speaker 5: she had no training? Why was she sent to buy

1152
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,020
Speaker 5: a semi-automatic pistol when she had never even fired a

1153
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,180
Speaker 5: fucking weapon before? Why was she pressured into taking part

1154
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:45,540
Speaker 5: in all of this before she consulted a lawyer? And

1155
00:54:46,620 --> 00:54:49,660
Speaker 5: they're also not read Miranda rights and not given their

1156
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:53,460
Speaker 5: amendment fucking things because they're not under arrest.

1157
00:54:54,380 --> 00:54:56,660
Speaker 1: Oh, right. So it's basically like, look, if you want

1158
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,020
Speaker 1: this to go away, it's under the table. Right. You're

1159
00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: not under arrest. So maybe they don't think to ask

1160
00:55:02,860 --> 00:55:03,460
Speaker 1: for a lawyer.

1161
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,859
Speaker 5: They want policy changes to the program, like not using

1162
00:55:07,900 --> 00:55:10,739
Speaker 5: people in drug treatment programs, which makes sense because part

1163
00:55:10,780 --> 00:55:12,759
Speaker 5: of being in a drug treatment program is you're not

1164
00:55:12,780 --> 00:55:14,549
Speaker 5: allowed to hang out and associate with people who are

1165
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 5: dealing and doing drugs in the first place. And that

1166
00:55:21,020 --> 00:55:25,020
Speaker 5: non-violent low-level drug offenders like Rachel should not be used

1167
00:55:25,060 --> 00:55:32,190
Speaker 5: in stings targeting traffickers with histories of violence. Additionally, CIs

1168
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:34,950
Speaker 5: should be given the right to counsel. That was their thoughts.

1169
00:55:36,370 --> 00:55:38,210
Speaker 5: And then they found out that California was one of

1170
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:41,670
Speaker 5: the few states that had any rules governing the use

1171
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:46,810
Speaker 5: of teenage informants. and prohibited recruits younger than 13, which like,

1172
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:48,070
Speaker 5: isn't a great, like.

1173
00:55:47,969 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: That's just cut it off at junior high, like that.

1174
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:54,380
Speaker 5: And they're the best example of doing well, which I

1175
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,339
Speaker 5: was 13 when I was using drugs and they could

1176
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 5: have fucking had me rat on all those kids.

1177
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 2: I was also when you're 13, like, Oh yeah, that's

1178
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,719
Speaker 2: not good. Like that idea that you're just going to like, yep, yep.

1179
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:08,739
Speaker 2: We're going to blackmail this This like, we're going to.

1180
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 5: Blackmail this teenager to get another teenager to get the

1181
00:56:12,739 --> 00:56:14,910
Speaker 5: whatever year old who sells a little more pot in

1182
00:56:14,969 --> 00:56:16,870
Speaker 5: this town, who sells a little more pot in this town,

1183
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:19,810
Speaker 5: which is like, you're not getting, you're not getting enough

1184
00:56:19,830 --> 00:56:25,009
Speaker 5: to street who's a danger. You're fucking just perpetuating this

1185
00:56:25,050 --> 00:56:26,690
Speaker 5: thing of, you know, then these kids get out of

1186
00:56:26,730 --> 00:56:28,739
Speaker 5: prison and they can't get a job because they have

1187
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 5: a record. And so California 13, dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.

1188
00:56:32,300 --> 00:56:35,380
Speaker 5: That rule had been put into place after 17-year-old Chad

1189
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:39,640
Speaker 5: McDonald was brutally murdered and his 15-year-old girlfriend raped and

1190
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 5: shot in retaliation for Chad's work as a low-level drug

1191
00:56:43,910 --> 00:56:45,370
Speaker 5: CI in 1998.

1192
00:56:45,370 --> 00:56:46,350
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Yeah.

1193
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:50,650
Speaker 5: So they had made this kid, Chad, be a CI,

1194
00:56:50,710 --> 00:56:54,210
Speaker 5: but everyone knew he was dealing meth and doing meth

1195
00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:56,150
Speaker 5: at the time. And the police actually knew that, too,

1196
00:56:56,190 --> 00:57:00,340
Speaker 5: but still used him. And everyone knew he was the snitch.

1197
00:57:01,630 --> 00:57:02,589
Speaker 1: And that still happened. Okay.

1198
00:57:03,090 --> 00:57:07,510
Speaker 5: So Rachel's parents began working on Rachel's Law, and they

1199
00:57:07,810 --> 00:57:09,910
Speaker 5: got the father of one of Rachel's friends was a

1200
00:57:10,130 --> 00:57:11,890
Speaker 5: Florida attorney named Lance Block.

1201
00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:13,730
Speaker 1: He agreed to work pro bono to help them.

1202
00:57:14,590 --> 00:57:18,990
Speaker 5: And on May 7, 2009, on the one-year anniversary of

1203
00:57:19,090 --> 00:57:23,020
Speaker 5: Rachel's murder, Rachel's Law is signed by the governor of Florida,

1204
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:24,980
Speaker 5: but it's stripped of so many provisions.

1205
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: It's so basic. But it does establish.

1206
00:57:28,500 --> 00:57:32,060
Speaker 5: New guidelines for law enforcement when dealing with confidential informants.

1207
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,660
Speaker 5: So it does start the conversation of changing the way

1208
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:40,690
Speaker 5: it's done. And it's the first comprehensive legislation of its

1209
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:44,650
Speaker 5: kind in the nation. And they're still working to get

1210
00:57:45,250 --> 00:57:47,590
Speaker 5: policy reforms on a national level. So they're still fucking

1211
00:57:47,610 --> 00:57:53,030
Speaker 5: working on it. And in 2012, in a wrongful death lawsuit,

1212
00:57:53,190 --> 00:57:58,450
Speaker 5: Rachel's parents won 2.6 million settlement from the city of Tallahassee,

1213
00:57:58,550 --> 00:58:00,070
Speaker 5: along with a formal apology.

1214
00:58:00,410 --> 00:58:04,270
Speaker 1: Wow. Sounds way different than what LeBron got. Yeah. Well,

1215
00:58:04,590 --> 00:58:05,350
Speaker 1: I mean, of course.

1216
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:05,530
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1217
00:58:07,610 --> 00:58:08,390
Speaker 1: Of the police.

1218
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:11,790
Speaker 5: Department's conduct, the grand jury, who are not like Judge Judy,

1219
00:58:11,830 --> 00:58:14,110
Speaker 5: and they don't fucking usually tell people what, you know

1220
00:58:14,130 --> 00:58:14,530
Speaker 5: what I mean?

1221
00:58:14,590 --> 00:58:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1222
00:58:14,930 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 5: They said, quote, letting a young, immature woman get into

1223
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 5: a car by herself with $ 13, 000 to go off and

1224
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 5: meet two convicted felons that they knew were bringing at

1225
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:31,140
Speaker 5: least one firearm with them was an unconscionable decision that

1226
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:37,030
Speaker 5: cost Ms. Hoffman her life. And an internal affairs investigation

1227
00:58:37,250 --> 00:58:40,670
Speaker 5: said that police officers had committed at least 21 violations

1228
00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:41,550
Speaker 5: and nine.

1229
00:58:41,330 --> 00:58:43,510
Speaker 1: Separate policies with this case.

1230
00:58:43,710 --> 00:58:44,030
Speaker 4: Wow.

1231
00:58:45,270 --> 00:58:47,650
Speaker 5: So Green and Bradshaw are now serving life sentences for

1232
00:58:47,710 --> 00:58:48,970
Speaker 5: the murder of Rachel Hoffman.

1233
00:58:49,950 --> 00:58:50,290
Speaker 1: And I.

1234
00:58:52,670 --> 00:58:57,350
Speaker 5: Think her parents put together an annual music and arts

1235
00:58:57,390 --> 00:59:01,330
Speaker 5: festival called the Purple Hatter's Ball. Because remember, she wore

1236
00:59:01,370 --> 00:59:02,110
Speaker 5: that purple hat.

1237
00:59:02,130 --> 00:59:02,290
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1238
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 5: And it's created to celebrate the memory of Rachel. It's

1239
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,770
Speaker 5: fucking her favorite jam bands. And it's like Facebook. painting

1240
00:59:10,850 --> 00:59:15,470
Speaker 5: and all these lovely things um and uh everyone wears

1241
00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:19,510
Speaker 5: purple And the next festival is in Live Oak, Florida

1242
00:59:19,530 --> 00:59:23,810
Speaker 5: this June 1st and 2nd of 2018. So murderinos. And

1243
00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:26,570
Speaker 5: she was a fucking criminal justice major. So, you know,

1244
00:59:26,590 --> 00:59:29,030
Speaker 5: she was into true crime probably. So that was the

1245
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:30,890
Speaker 5: murder of Rachel Hoffman.

1246
00:59:31,180 --> 00:59:36,580
Speaker 1: Amazing. So sad. So sad. And frustrating. Frustrating.

1247
00:59:36,620 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1248
00:59:36,780 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, we're back. Do you have any updates?

1249
00:59:43,020 --> 00:59:46,180
Speaker 3: No updates, but I was just thinking about reading the

1250
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 3: story again or listening to the story again, how cool

1251
00:59:49,620 --> 00:59:53,300
Speaker 3: that this podcast was for us to cover these cases

1252
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,580
Speaker 3: that had been in our heads for so long and

1253
00:59:56,620 --> 00:59:58,740
Speaker 3: had nowhere to go. Because this is one of those

1254
00:59:58,780 --> 01:00:00,510
Speaker 3: cases where I read about it and read about it

1255
01:00:00,530 --> 01:00:02,260
Speaker 3: and I was like, what the fuck? I want to

1256
01:00:02,300 --> 01:00:06,090
Speaker 3: talk to someone about this. And then being able to

1257
01:00:06,130 --> 01:00:08,950
Speaker 3: cover it is just like the whole point, I guess.

1258
01:00:09,110 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 1: Right. Right. It feels like you're getting it out there,

1259
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,700
Speaker 1: making sure people know about it. Yeah, because it's just

1260
01:00:13,860 --> 01:00:16,460
Speaker 1: so fucking corrupt and fucked up and sad.

1261
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:19,070
Speaker 3: And, you know, those stories where you're like, I could

1262
01:00:19,110 --> 01:00:22,010
Speaker 3: see that happening to me or I could see how

1263
01:00:22,070 --> 01:00:22,830
Speaker 3: that would happen.

1264
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:26,390
Speaker 1: And it's just getting her story out. Yeah, it's important.

1265
01:00:26,490 --> 01:00:29,510
Speaker 3: And hoping it never happens again. But all right, let's

1266
01:00:29,650 --> 01:00:32,600
Speaker 3: get into Karen's story. This is a big one. The

1267
01:00:32,660 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 3: death of Bonnie Lee Bakley.

1268
01:00:40,750 --> 01:00:44,350
Speaker 2: OK, so this I'm doing this story this week because

1269
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:46,450
Speaker 2: I mentioned it last time.

1270
01:00:47,110 --> 01:00:50,030
Speaker 1: It's the murder of Bonnie Lee Bakley. Yes.

1271
01:00:50,790 --> 01:00:55,950
Speaker 2: And and the, you know, eventual trial of famous Hollywood

1272
01:00:56,070 --> 01:00:57,020
Speaker 2: actor Robert Blake.

1273
01:00:57,100 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: Fuck yes, Karen.

1274
01:00:58,620 --> 01:01:01,620
Speaker 2: And it centers around one of the most popular and

1275
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,850
Speaker 2: exciting Italian restaurants in the Valley, Vitello's.

1276
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:07,810
Speaker 1: It's gone, right? No, I think they redid it. It's

1277
01:01:07,850 --> 01:01:10,090
Speaker 1: still there. Oh, yeah. Okay. It's just totally different now

1278
01:01:10,110 --> 01:01:12,860
Speaker 1: because it used to be like divey. Well, it used

1279
01:01:12,900 --> 01:01:14,160
Speaker 1: to be like, you know what it was?

1280
01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:18,940
Speaker 2: It was like, clearly it was like built in the 60s, 70s,

1281
01:01:18,980 --> 01:01:20,340
Speaker 2: probably early 70s, I would say.

1282
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 5: Okay.

1283
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,810
Speaker 1: So the inside was, like.

1284
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:28,300
Speaker 2: These big Naugahyde booths that were, like, red plastic fake leather.

1285
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:34,250
Speaker 1: Love it. There's a huge, like, wall... you know fresco

1286
01:01:34,270 --> 01:01:35,450
Speaker 1: or whatever you want to.

1287
01:01:35,370 --> 01:01:38,330
Speaker 2: Call it exactly right of uh like i don't know

1288
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:40,950
Speaker 2: i can't remember if it was like venice.

1289
01:01:40,610 --> 01:01:44,630
Speaker 5: And grapes or every grapes are draped on everything and

1290
01:01:44,650 --> 01:01:46,630
Speaker 5: they're dusty because no one ever cleans.

1291
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:49,490
Speaker 1: Them yeah like literal like plastic grapes like look at

1292
01:01:49,510 --> 01:01:52,990
Speaker 1: the bounty of milan or i mean wherever.

1293
01:01:52,590 --> 01:01:54,450
Speaker 5: Yeah and they have like a house a glass of

1294
01:01:54,490 --> 01:01:56,050
Speaker 5: house chianti for three dollars or.

1295
01:01:56,030 --> 01:01:58,690
Speaker 2: Whatever yes And they have those like melty red candles.

1296
01:01:59,430 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 2: It's just the whole, it's exactly like the classic Italian restaurant.

1297
01:02:02,990 --> 01:02:06,700
Speaker 2: And the food, like the, the garlic bread is just

1298
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: a big loaf of sourdough cut in half with garlic

1299
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 2: on it.

1300
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:12,900
Speaker 1: I love old school places like this so fucking much.

1301
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:13,460
Speaker 1: I want to cry.

1302
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:13,900
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1303
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,260
Speaker 1: It's, you know, exactly what you're going to get. And

1304
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: Vitello's is good food.

1305
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:18,500
Speaker 3: Is it?

1306
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 5: Cause I don't even care if it's like a If

1307
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:24,170
Speaker 5: it's the fucking ambiance is on point, I'm good.

1308
01:02:24,370 --> 01:02:26,770
Speaker 1: Well, do you like opera singers because they have that?

1309
01:02:26,790 --> 01:02:28,740
Speaker 1: Shut up. Yes, they'll have all of a sudden an

1310
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:30,880
Speaker 1: opera singer will bust out singing. Can I tell you

1311
01:02:30,900 --> 01:02:31,620
Speaker 1: something really quickly?

1312
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:34,220
Speaker 5: Do you know the one that's just like this on

1313
01:02:34,260 --> 01:02:38,410
Speaker 5: Vermont called Stephen? You know.

1314
01:02:38,430 --> 01:02:42,000
Speaker 1: Oh. Hold on. It's on Vermont. Dresden? No, it's on

1315
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 1: Vermont across from the House of Pies. We go there all...

1316
01:02:44,620 --> 01:02:46,030
Speaker 1: Vince and I used to go there. Oh, yes. It's...

1317
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:48,250
Speaker 1: We used to order pizza from there when I lived

1318
01:02:48,290 --> 01:02:49,030
Speaker 1: on Alexandria.

1319
01:02:49,050 --> 01:02:49,230
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1320
01:02:49,630 --> 01:02:52,570
Speaker 1: Hold on. Cut this. It's like Domino's. It's like... It's

1321
01:02:52,670 --> 01:02:55,790
Speaker 1: not Domino's. It's... I mean, no, not Domino's, but like...

1322
01:02:56,230 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: It's called... The P? P... Pichelli? Pitz.

1323
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:01,060
Speaker 5: Pitz.

1324
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,930
Speaker 1: I... Yeah, I know. Sorry, we can cut this out.

1325
01:03:06,550 --> 01:03:10,690
Speaker 1: Why am I doing this? Palermos. Palermos. That's right. You

1326
01:03:10,730 --> 01:03:14,370
Speaker 1: did it. Palermos. Leave it in. Palermos. Just like that.

1327
01:03:14,730 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 5: Also, when you go in and you're waiting for your table,

1328
01:03:16,820 --> 01:03:19,020
Speaker 5: you can get a glass of like dollar boxed wine.

1329
01:03:19,380 --> 01:03:20,180
Speaker 1: It's like the best.

1330
01:03:20,660 --> 01:03:22,260
Speaker 5: So one time, once I went there the first time,

1331
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:25,370
Speaker 5: we're like, this place is amazing. Uh, and it was

1332
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:25,830
Speaker 5: a Friday night.

1333
01:03:25,850 --> 01:03:28,300
Speaker 1: So they had their, a guy with a.

1334
01:03:28,580 --> 01:03:32,980
Speaker 5: Um, what are they called? An accordion accordion walking around

1335
01:03:33,020 --> 01:03:36,939
Speaker 5: singing at tables. And I go, oh my God, that

1336
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 5: guy fucking was the entertainment at my brother's bar mitzvah.

1337
01:03:40,660 --> 01:03:43,950
Speaker 1: No. I was like, is your name fucking Israel? Whatever

1338
01:03:44,290 --> 01:03:46,550
Speaker 1: it was. And he was like freaking out too. And

1339
01:03:46,950 --> 01:03:48,450
Speaker 1: it was, it was him. And I took a photo

1340
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:50,050
Speaker 1: of him and he's like, I remember your brother.

1341
01:03:50,070 --> 01:03:50,800
Speaker 5: No, you don't.

1342
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:54,460
Speaker 1: Uh, that's amazing. No, you know what it is?

1343
01:03:54,620 --> 01:04:01,990
Speaker 2: It's the not chain hometown restaurant, In Petaluma, it's Volpe's

1344
01:04:02,110 --> 01:04:04,810
Speaker 2: where we go with my family. And half of it

1345
01:04:05,350 --> 01:04:07,610
Speaker 2: is the original grocery store from the 20s.

1346
01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:08,970
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

1347
01:04:09,010 --> 01:04:11,790
Speaker 2: That they took the like counter out and put in

1348
01:04:11,890 --> 01:04:14,790
Speaker 2: tables so that you're sitting in the old grocery store.

1349
01:04:14,850 --> 01:04:16,610
Speaker 1: I'm dying. It's really awesome.

1350
01:04:16,710 --> 01:04:19,170
Speaker 2: And that's up the street from that hotel, Petaluma Hotel, I.

1351
01:04:19,150 --> 01:04:20,150
Speaker 1: Want you to stay at. I'm going to come with

1352
01:04:20,170 --> 01:04:21,090
Speaker 1: you to Petaluma one day.

1353
01:04:21,310 --> 01:04:24,090
Speaker 5: Oh, when we do our Sacramento show, we should stay

1354
01:04:24,150 --> 01:04:24,470
Speaker 5: a night.

1355
01:04:24,790 --> 01:04:29,400
Speaker 1: We can stay at Laura's. Okay. Totally. Totally. But anyway, that's, that's,

1356
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: so that's Vitello's.

1357
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:35,560
Speaker 2: It's, it's neighborhood-y. It's very Italian. Like it's, it's, if

1358
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:40,480
Speaker 2: you like kiss your fingers, you know, style Italian bullshit, that's,

1359
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:41,380
Speaker 2: it's there for you.

1360
01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 1: Is that their saying?

1361
01:04:42,610 --> 01:04:42,840
Speaker 2: Yes.

1362
01:04:43,090 --> 01:04:45,930
Speaker 1: That's actually painted on the sign. If you like kiss

1363
01:04:45,950 --> 01:04:51,330
Speaker 1: your fingers style Italian bullshit, this is your jam, maroo. Um,

1364
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:53,870
Speaker 1: so this was the play. Okay.

1365
01:04:53,950 --> 01:04:57,990
Speaker 2: So let's just get into this fucking thing because it's

1366
01:04:58,340 --> 01:04:59,220
Speaker 2: so insane.

1367
01:04:59,490 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: So we'll just talk first about Robert Blake. He's a

1368
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: famous actor.

1369
01:05:02,660 --> 01:05:05,580
Speaker 2: And up until this point, he was kind of one

1370
01:05:05,620 --> 01:05:08,380
Speaker 2: of those, he was like a Hollywood stalwart, I would say.

1371
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,040
Speaker 1: He started, he was one of the kids on our gang. Oh, really? Yeah.

1372
01:05:13,140 --> 01:05:16,100
Speaker 2: He was in the Little Rascals original, they called them

1373
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,110
Speaker 2: the film series.

1374
01:05:17,220 --> 01:05:18,610
Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah.

1375
01:05:18,910 --> 01:05:21,150
Speaker 2: And it was basically, he grew up, he was born

1376
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:23,930
Speaker 2: in Nutley, New Jersey to a vaudeville family.

1377
01:05:24,010 --> 01:05:24,490
Speaker 3: Oh, shit.

1378
01:05:24,570 --> 01:05:28,150
Speaker 2: His father was an actor and an alcoholic, abusive.

1379
01:05:28,930 --> 01:05:32,110
Speaker 1: An asshole, mom unfeeling.

1380
01:05:32,310 --> 01:05:35,740
Speaker 2: And the three siblings, they had a little like a

1381
01:05:35,930 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: vaudeville show with the little kids called The Three Little Hillbillies.

1382
01:05:41,460 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: Put them to work. Right.

1383
01:05:42,860 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: So they he's and he described his childhood as feeling

1384
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,690
Speaker 2: like he was like a like a monkey with a

1385
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:52,490
Speaker 2: monkey grinder. Like he was just out there begging for

1386
01:05:52,550 --> 01:05:54,490
Speaker 2: change around town in Nutley, New.

1387
01:05:54,410 --> 01:05:56,270
Speaker 1: Jersey, which is horrifying. Yeah.

1388
01:05:57,410 --> 01:05:57,670
Speaker 5: Sorry.

1389
01:05:58,110 --> 01:05:59,990
Speaker 1: I got all of the things I'm telling you right

1390
01:06:00,030 --> 01:06:03,000
Speaker 1: now from a show that I couldn't love the title

1391
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:07,419
Speaker 1: of more, Rich and Acquitted. Oh my God. Spoiler alert. Well,

1392
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,300
Speaker 1: now we know. But I mean, yeah, but we knew

1393
01:06:10,340 --> 01:06:12,970
Speaker 1: because this was a famous case anyway. Why didn't that

1394
01:06:13,030 --> 01:06:13,970
Speaker 1: show in any Emmys?

1395
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,850
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so funny because it's when I when

1396
01:06:16,890 --> 01:06:19,290
Speaker 2: I look this up on YouTube, there's like a whole

1397
01:06:19,510 --> 01:06:22,310
Speaker 2: there's a whole realm of rich and acquitted. And and

1398
01:06:22,330 --> 01:06:24,510
Speaker 2: they're real because I when I first started listening to it,

1399
01:06:24,510 --> 01:06:27,550
Speaker 2: I was like, God, they're being real judgy about like

1400
01:06:27,690 --> 01:06:30,070
Speaker 2: money and they keep talking about his money. And then

1401
01:06:30,130 --> 01:06:33,910
Speaker 2: it's basically talking about how when you have money, the

1402
01:06:33,950 --> 01:06:37,460
Speaker 2: entire justice system works totally differently. for you and the

1403
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:41,900
Speaker 2: whole approach and strategy to the justice system. So system,

1404
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm not drunk. So, so the three little hillbillies have, uh,

1405
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:52,070
Speaker 2: you know, minor success in Nutley, New Jersey and the

1406
01:06:52,090 --> 01:06:57,350
Speaker 2: surrounding area. So then, but it's, it's the, um, mid thirties.

1407
01:06:57,670 --> 01:07:01,570
Speaker 2: So because it's after the depression, the movie business is exploding.

1408
01:07:02,110 --> 01:07:05,490
Speaker 2: Everyone's like, I've got, I do have 25 extra cents.

1409
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:07,490
Speaker 1: I want to spend it on entertainment. I want things

1410
01:07:07,530 --> 01:07:08,010
Speaker 1: to be fun.

1411
01:07:08,050 --> 01:07:10,490
Speaker 2: I want to go and like watch the Ziegfeld Follies

1412
01:07:10,550 --> 01:07:12,750
Speaker 2: or whatever, something big in a, in a movie theater

1413
01:07:12,770 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: and have a good time. So his father moves the

1414
01:07:18,180 --> 01:07:22,220
Speaker 2: whole family out to Hollywood because he thinks he's going

1415
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: to be the movie star.

1416
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,740
Speaker 1: Bad news. They're so poor. They sleep in the car.

1417
01:07:27,300 --> 01:07:30,220
Speaker 2: You know, it's really hard, but the father gets a

1418
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,500
Speaker 2: job in a hardware store and he, Mickey was his

1419
01:07:34,540 --> 01:07:38,140
Speaker 2: name at the time. Mickey Gubitose was his original name.

1420
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,140
Speaker 1: Is Robert Blake's name?

1421
01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:42,740
Speaker 2: Is Robert Blake's real name. He was born as Mickey Gubitose.

1422
01:07:43,430 --> 01:07:47,130
Speaker 2: Mickey Gubitose, he's five years old when he gets the

1423
01:07:47,170 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: job on the Our Gang series. And he starts as

1424
01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:53,300
Speaker 2: an extra and they showed clips on the show and

1425
01:07:53,320 --> 01:07:56,210
Speaker 2: he is the cutest. You see him, he's got this

1426
01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:58,010
Speaker 2: little twinkle in his eye, but he's also like, he's

1427
01:07:58,030 --> 01:08:00,790
Speaker 2: like a little tough guy and it's so cute. And

1428
01:08:00,810 --> 01:08:03,410
Speaker 2: then with all, I mean, our gang, if you go back,

1429
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:05,430
Speaker 2: if you ever have a free day and you just

1430
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:08,510
Speaker 2: want to have some dumb fun, the our gang series

1431
01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:12,630
Speaker 2: was the cutest, sweetest thing. And all those little kids

1432
01:08:12,650 --> 01:08:17,650
Speaker 2: were really talented. Now there is extreme fucking racism because

1433
01:08:17,850 --> 01:08:18,830
Speaker 2: it was the thirties.

1434
01:08:19,110 --> 01:08:19,269
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1435
01:08:19,710 --> 01:08:22,610
Speaker 2: But the cool thing was, or I won't say cool,

1436
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,340
Speaker 2: but the thing that made it slightly different was that

1437
01:08:25,460 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: Buckwheat was.

1438
01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: One of their friends and hung around. Right, right. But,

1439
01:08:30,020 --> 01:08:33,330
Speaker 1: you know, there's also, as anything from before 1995, it's,

1440
01:08:33,370 --> 01:08:40,390
Speaker 1: you know, a different time. Anyhow, so he basically, he's

1441
01:08:40,410 --> 01:08:41,470
Speaker 1: the one that makes it big.

1442
01:08:41,710 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 2: And he, from our gang, when that's over, he kind

1443
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:51,099
Speaker 2: of like, basically emancipates himself, runs away from home.

1444
01:08:51,140 --> 01:08:54,910
Speaker 1: He joins the army. He ends up marrying a woman

1445
01:08:54,930 --> 01:08:57,330
Speaker 1: named Sondra Kerr. He has two kids with her, starts

1446
01:08:57,350 --> 01:08:59,950
Speaker 1: this family. It looks like he's about to fade into

1447
01:09:00,070 --> 01:09:03,040
Speaker 1: obscurity as like a character actor that like was a

1448
01:09:03,060 --> 01:09:06,480
Speaker 1: child actor, you know? Yeah. Because people, it was really cool.

1449
01:09:06,500 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: They had interviews with like other little kids that had

1450
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,080
Speaker 2: been on that series that grew up to also be actors.

1451
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: So you could recognize them.

1452
01:09:13,740 --> 01:09:15,520
Speaker 2: As they were talking and they were talking about how

1453
01:09:15,979 --> 01:09:19,090
Speaker 2: Robert Blake as a child actor was really good. He

1454
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:21,830
Speaker 2: was a really good actor. He was a really serious child, um,

1455
01:09:22,210 --> 01:09:23,750
Speaker 2: Like he was there to like kill it.

1456
01:09:23,810 --> 01:09:24,070
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1457
01:09:24,170 --> 01:09:27,050
Speaker 1: Which is very taking it seriously. Exactly. Not just because

1458
01:09:27,090 --> 01:09:28,490
Speaker 1: his parents wanted him to. Right.

1459
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 2: Not just because he would get the shit beaten out

1460
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,580
Speaker 2: of him when he went home. But, but it's just

1461
01:09:33,620 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 2: that thing where, you know, like when those, when little

1462
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,820
Speaker 2: kids have it, that kind of like, why am I

1463
01:09:38,860 --> 01:09:39,700
Speaker 2: looking at that kid?

1464
01:09:39,729 --> 01:09:42,530
Speaker 1: There's six kids and that's the one that's caught my eye.

1465
01:09:42,750 --> 01:09:43,170
Speaker 1: He was that.

1466
01:09:44,050 --> 01:09:47,540
Speaker 2: So, um, right as he begins to fade into into

1467
01:09:47,580 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 2: obscurity he gets that part in in cold blood whoa

1468
01:09:51,220 --> 01:09:53,219
Speaker 2: and if you haven't seen the movie that robert blake

1469
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 2: stars robert blake stars as you know one of the

1470
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:59,969
Speaker 2: two killers in in cold blood and he's so good

1471
01:10:00,010 --> 01:10:01,490
Speaker 2: and it's really i only saw a clip of it

1472
01:10:01,530 --> 01:10:05,210
Speaker 2: i've never seen the entire movie starts finish yeah but

1473
01:10:05,270 --> 01:10:06,990
Speaker 2: it's really amazing i think i.

1474
01:10:06,930 --> 01:10:08,530
Speaker 1: Watched it but didn't realize it was him and you

1475
01:10:08,570 --> 01:10:09,600
Speaker 1: don't watch it again.

1476
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 2: Yeah because it's old it's like a thing you'd see

1477
01:10:11,820 --> 01:10:15,210
Speaker 2: on amc yeah um But it's really good. Also, and

1478
01:10:15,229 --> 01:10:17,259
Speaker 2: then it started making me think of how much I

1479
01:10:17,340 --> 01:10:19,030
Speaker 2: loved the version with.

1480
01:10:18,979 --> 01:10:29,600
Speaker 1: Toby, that British actor. Keith McGuire. Keith. Someone make that, please.

1481
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,420
Speaker 2: That short British actor that's in... He's been in tons

1482
01:10:33,460 --> 01:10:33,680
Speaker 2: of stuff.

1483
01:10:33,700 --> 01:10:35,990
Speaker 1: He's so good. And he plays....

1484
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,530
Speaker 2: Truman Capote you remember that one and they go out

1485
01:10:40,570 --> 01:10:43,270
Speaker 2: to start interviewing the families it shows how Truman Capote

1486
01:10:43,310 --> 01:10:45,450
Speaker 2: wrote that book it's such a.

1487
01:10:45,310 --> 01:10:48,730
Speaker 1: Good movie what's his face? Philip Seymour Hoffman did one

1488
01:10:48,750 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 1: version so there was one with Philip Seymour Hoffman and

1489
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: there was another one with Sandra Bullock and Tobey Maguire

1490
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:04,260
Speaker 1: no British Tobey Stephen's going to find it once he's

1491
01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:09,889
Speaker 1: done grooming his mustache David. Toby. Keith. Oh, Toby Jones.

1492
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: Toby Jones. No. Don't know who that is. No. No. Yeah, yeah.

1493
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 1: But he's such a good actor. He's in everything. Okay.

1494
01:11:19,439 --> 01:11:22,300
Speaker 1: And that, oh, Infamous is the name of the biopic.

1495
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: Okay.

1496
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:23,260
Speaker 1: From 2006.

1497
01:11:23,260 --> 01:11:27,830
Speaker 2: But then there's also the Philip Seymour Hoffman one, which

1498
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:28,910
Speaker 2: is Give It a Look-See.

1499
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:29,880
Speaker 1: It's good. I liked it.

1500
01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:34,050
Speaker 2: I just love that story that, you know, somebody like,

1501
01:11:34,740 --> 01:11:38,100
Speaker 2: Truman Capote was just such a insane one of a

1502
01:11:38,140 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 2: kind beyond belief. That was a sidebar to beat all

1503
01:11:42,360 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 2: sidebars because basically he's in cold blood. He comes back

1504
01:11:46,810 --> 01:11:50,450
Speaker 2: and that that kind of brings his relevance back. And

1505
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:53,330
Speaker 2: then he gets the lead on the cop show Beretta.

1506
01:11:53,410 --> 01:11:53,729
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1507
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:56,229
Speaker 1: Do you remember that show? I was too young.

1508
01:11:56,490 --> 01:11:58,870
Speaker 2: You were definitely too young because I was like it

1509
01:11:58,930 --> 01:12:02,290
Speaker 2: was just in my consciousness that That was like such

1510
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:03,990
Speaker 2: a mid-70s show. Yeah.

1511
01:12:04,110 --> 01:12:05,910
Speaker 1: But Beretta was the cop that had the parrot.

1512
01:12:06,270 --> 01:12:09,830
Speaker 2: And so if you remember, he was like the Italian-looking

1513
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:11,430
Speaker 2: cop with a white parrot.

1514
01:12:11,150 --> 01:12:13,090
Speaker 1: On his shoulder. What the fuck?

1515
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:15,780
Speaker 2: And he kind of had that Columbo-y thing where he

1516
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:17,920
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, man, you know.

1517
01:12:17,979 --> 01:12:21,700
Speaker 1: Yeah. And every man, I guess, is what that impression

1518
01:12:21,740 --> 01:12:25,180
Speaker 1: just was.

1519
01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:27,380
Speaker 2: But you can look up old episodes of Beretta. And

1520
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:30,250
Speaker 2: if only for the opening theme song.

1521
01:12:30,590 --> 01:12:30,930
Speaker 1: How's it go?

1522
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:36,710
Speaker 2: The full version is recorded by Sammy Davis Jr.

1523
01:12:36,729 --> 01:12:39,610
Speaker 1: Holy shit. And it's called Keep Your Eye on the Sparrow.

1524
01:12:39,630 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: And it's like, keep your eye on the sparrow. You

1525
01:12:43,060 --> 01:12:46,519
Speaker 1: have to look it up. It's happening. It's so like....

1526
01:12:48,210 --> 01:12:53,210
Speaker 2: Disco 70s look at the like hardcore fucking like weird

1527
01:12:53,330 --> 01:12:56,450
Speaker 2: solo bongos at the beginning they're like here we go

1528
01:12:56,490 --> 01:13:00,450
Speaker 2: the streets keep your yes yeah yes you have it

1529
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:04,470
Speaker 2: holy shit maybe i do know it This show had everything.

1530
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:06,990
Speaker 2: And he ended up winning an Emmy for that role.

1531
01:13:07,030 --> 01:13:08,850
Speaker 2: I think that show went on for four years, whatever.

1532
01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:13,030
Speaker 2: So he basically then becomes a hit and he invests

1533
01:13:13,070 --> 01:13:17,610
Speaker 2: his money wisely and he builds his wealth. And he

1534
01:13:17,650 --> 01:13:19,650
Speaker 2: also became a fixture on The Tonight Show.

1535
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,839
Speaker 1: And so once Beretta was over, he was still like.

1536
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: A big presence in Hollywood. And in the winter of

1537
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 2: the year 2000, he.

1538
01:13:33,390 --> 01:13:34,670
Speaker 1: He goes to a jazz.

1539
01:13:34,350 --> 01:13:36,830
Speaker 2: Club one night, and he meets a woman named Bonnie

1540
01:13:36,890 --> 01:13:40,890
Speaker 2: Lee Bakley. And they hit it off immediately.

1541
01:13:40,910 --> 01:13:45,170
Speaker 1: And she didn't know he was a celebrity.

1542
01:13:46,970 --> 01:13:49,150
Speaker 2: She actually had to call her sister and say, have

1543
01:13:49,170 --> 01:13:51,310
Speaker 2: you ever heard of this name? Because he's saying he's famous.

1544
01:13:51,390 --> 01:13:53,690
Speaker 2: But that was in Rich and Acquitted.

1545
01:13:53,710 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 1: Yes. But they really did hit it off.

1546
01:13:57,100 --> 01:13:59,689
Speaker 2: Then at the end of the night, no judgment, they

1547
01:13:59,710 --> 01:14:02,290
Speaker 2: go out to his van and do it.

1548
01:14:02,470 --> 01:14:06,309
Speaker 1: No. Like the alley behind the jazz club. What?

1549
01:14:06,410 --> 01:14:10,180
Speaker 2: That's the first night they met. is, is they did that.

1550
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 2: So then there, that is where their fate is sealed.

1551
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 2: That's where in the alley, in the alley behind a

1552
01:14:16,740 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: jazz club in the picture that they showed on rich

1553
01:14:19,180 --> 01:14:23,310
Speaker 2: and acquitted. It was this purple van on these big old,

1554
01:14:23,550 --> 01:14:24,910
Speaker 2: like jacked up wheels.

1555
01:14:25,130 --> 01:14:25,810
Speaker 1: Oh my God.

1556
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:30,870
Speaker 2: It, it looks, it's like half Scooby-Doo half like monster

1557
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:34,430
Speaker 2: truck rally. You're like, where did you get this fucking car?

1558
01:14:34,710 --> 01:14:38,070
Speaker 2: If you invested your money so goddamn wisely. All right.

1559
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,380
Speaker 1: In 2000, too. This car is from 2000.

1560
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,340
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a good point.

1561
01:14:43,380 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 1: This is not the 70s we're talking about. It's not

1562
01:14:45,420 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: Beretta anymore.

1563
01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 4: No.

1564
01:14:47,100 --> 01:14:49,559
Speaker 1: But he was truly keeping his eye on the Sparrow.

1565
01:14:49,700 --> 01:14:52,460
Speaker 1: And keeping it real. Keeping it real in the alley.

1566
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:53,020
Speaker 1: That's right.

1567
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:58,099
Speaker 2: So now let's switch over to this woman, this romance

1568
01:14:58,140 --> 01:15:01,020
Speaker 2: that he's having with Bonnie Lee Bakley. So she was

1569
01:15:01,060 --> 01:15:04,740
Speaker 2: born in 1956 in Morristown, New Jersey. She was also

1570
01:15:05,260 --> 01:15:06,190
Speaker 2: poor growing up.

1571
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: They're both from New Jersey.

1572
01:15:07,610 --> 01:15:11,830
Speaker 2: Both from New Jersey, about 20 years apart or so.

1573
01:15:14,150 --> 01:15:17,500
Speaker 2: She has a fascinating history. And this woman, if you

1574
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,540
Speaker 2: want to talk about somebody that got fucking maligned after

1575
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: her own death, Bonnie Lee Bakley, we all heard every

1576
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:29,360
Speaker 2: single thing this woman ever did. She was not there

1577
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:32,870
Speaker 2: to defend herself or even just be a presence. Now,

1578
01:15:33,030 --> 01:15:35,870
Speaker 2: she did a bunch of fucked up shit, and that

1579
01:15:35,930 --> 01:15:40,120
Speaker 2: ended up getting proven in court. Before she met Robert Blake.

1580
01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:43,860
Speaker 2: But as the cops said in Rich and Acquitted, doesn't

1581
01:15:43,900 --> 01:15:45,340
Speaker 2: mean she deserved to get murdered.

1582
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:45,900
Speaker 1: Totally.

1583
01:15:46,240 --> 01:15:50,380
Speaker 2: And it doesn't mean, you know, it doesn't mean she's

1584
01:15:50,540 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 2: any less of a victim.

1585
01:15:51,660 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: Right.

1586
01:15:53,140 --> 01:15:57,230
Speaker 2: I just remember when this case started, how often they

1587
01:15:57,290 --> 01:16:00,950
Speaker 2: talked like on the radio and, you know, like Howard

1588
01:16:00,970 --> 01:16:02,729
Speaker 2: Stern style talk shit on this woman.

1589
01:16:02,790 --> 01:16:03,370
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1590
01:16:04,189 --> 01:16:08,490
Speaker 2: And apparently it was the lawyer's plan from the beginning.

1591
01:16:08,610 --> 01:16:09,490
Speaker 1: No. Yes.

1592
01:16:09,650 --> 01:16:14,090
Speaker 2: They were ready once the indictment came or the charges

1593
01:16:14,130 --> 01:16:14,710
Speaker 2: were filed.

1594
01:16:15,070 --> 01:16:17,530
Speaker 1: The lawyer had it all ready of like, well, here's

1595
01:16:17,770 --> 01:16:20,910
Speaker 1: the victim. Wow. And here's her past. It's pretty intense.

1596
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:23,010
Speaker 1: So now.

1597
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:27,070
Speaker 2: Going back to where she came from, she was married

1598
01:16:27,130 --> 01:16:29,450
Speaker 2: for the first time and divorced when she was 15.

1599
01:16:29,450 --> 01:16:34,269
Speaker 1: Oh, honey. Then she dropped out of high school after

1600
01:16:34,430 --> 01:16:38,210
Speaker 1: she had a marriage and a divorce. Sweetie. What I

1601
01:16:38,670 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: estimate to be sophomore year. Yeah. Then she was like,

1602
01:16:42,220 --> 01:16:44,850
Speaker 1: you know what? I'm past high school now. She's like,

1603
01:16:44,870 --> 01:16:46,350
Speaker 1: when am I going to go back to high school?

1604
01:16:46,450 --> 01:16:48,430
Speaker 1: When are we going to go to the spring formal?

1605
01:16:48,530 --> 01:16:53,050
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I'm a divorcee. I'm above you all.

1606
01:16:53,070 --> 01:16:55,970
Speaker 1: Oh my God. So she moves to New York City.

1607
01:16:56,450 --> 01:16:58,530
Speaker 1: She wants to be a model. She's really beautiful. She

1608
01:16:58,570 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: has great features.

1609
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,820
Speaker 2: She's kind of a like bottle blonde, but in that,

1610
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:05,870
Speaker 2: you know, she's like got this big open face. She

1611
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:07,750
Speaker 2: wants to be a model. She wants to be an actress.

1612
01:17:08,110 --> 01:17:12,570
Speaker 2: And she goes right for those nudes. She's like, she just,

1613
01:17:12,689 --> 01:17:14,160
Speaker 2: she's like, I'm ready to do it.

1614
01:17:14,189 --> 01:17:16,780
Speaker 1: I want to do it. And let's do this thing. She....

1615
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:23,530
Speaker 2: Nothing pans out, which sometimes happens when you take Nance.

1616
01:17:23,650 --> 01:17:25,830
Speaker 2: People are just like, yep, put him in the pile

1617
01:17:25,850 --> 01:17:26,530
Speaker 2: with the other Nance.

1618
01:17:26,570 --> 01:17:30,380
Speaker 1: Sure. She ends up marrying her second husband was her

1619
01:17:30,410 --> 01:17:33,220
Speaker 1: first cousin. No, don't do that. Yeah, she did it.

1620
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:35,350
Speaker 1: And she had three kids with him. No, don't do

1621
01:17:35,370 --> 01:17:37,930
Speaker 1: that either. Yeah, yeah. Oh, no. They did that. Like

1622
01:17:37,950 --> 01:17:42,229
Speaker 1: what around year is this? This is the, sorry. 70s-ish?

1623
01:17:42,370 --> 01:17:45,070
Speaker 1: This is like the early 70s. Oh, and they're having

1624
01:17:45,340 --> 01:17:46,150
Speaker 1: cousin kids.

1625
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:48,720
Speaker 2: Cousin kids and kind of like a, I want to

1626
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: be famous, but maybe I'll just do this instead.

1627
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:55,280
Speaker 1: That's all fine, but don't marry your cousin. Right. Do

1628
01:17:55,300 --> 01:17:59,020
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck you want. Don't marry your cousin. Here's

1629
01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:59,820
Speaker 1: what's kind of cool.

1630
01:18:00,590 --> 01:18:02,870
Speaker 2: So she has all these pictures that she took trying

1631
01:18:02,890 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 2: to get break into show business. Essentially, she's a visionary.

1632
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:12,880
Speaker 2: She starts a mail order, nude photo mailing like service.

1633
01:18:12,939 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 1: Yes.

1634
01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:16,820
Speaker 2: She puts personal ads in the back of like smut magazines.

1635
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,390
Speaker 2: That's like, hey, here's me. Do you want me to

1636
01:18:19,430 --> 01:18:21,430
Speaker 2: send you my nude photos? Write to me here and

1637
01:18:21,450 --> 01:18:22,370
Speaker 2: send me this amount of money.

1638
01:18:22,410 --> 01:18:26,930
Speaker 1: So smart. She starts fucking making bank on this business. Yes.

1639
01:18:26,990 --> 01:18:27,390
Speaker 1: Good for her.

1640
01:18:27,410 --> 01:18:29,590
Speaker 2: So they're like, I love nudes. I was just reading

1641
01:18:29,630 --> 01:18:31,939
Speaker 2: this whole magazine of nudes. I'd love more nudes.

1642
01:18:31,950 --> 01:18:35,420
Speaker 1: Yeah. From your home. Right. And she's like, I've got this.

1643
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:37,500
Speaker 1: So she.

1644
01:18:38,250 --> 01:18:41,430
Speaker 2: eventually makes so much money off of this business she

1645
01:18:41,450 --> 01:18:45,260
Speaker 2: can buy several homes in the memphis area oh my

1646
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:49,510
Speaker 2: god yeah so she's she's she's supporting that family she's

1647
01:18:49,550 --> 01:18:50,729
Speaker 2: like getting it done.

1648
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: We're in the wrong business i mean you have to

1649
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: be willing to in some of the pictures because there's

1650
01:18:56,140 --> 01:19:01,180
Speaker 1: exercise so Pass. Get on all fours with a cowboy

1651
01:19:01,220 --> 01:19:03,090
Speaker 1: hat on and nothing else. Oh, no, I don't want

1652
01:19:03,150 --> 01:19:04,950
Speaker 1: to do that. There was a lot of that kind

1653
01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:07,150
Speaker 1: of stuff. Yeah, yeah, like campy shit.

1654
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:10,350
Speaker 2: It seemed very, it was like 70s porn had an

1655
01:19:10,430 --> 01:19:12,870
Speaker 2: innocence about it, where it was kind of like, look

1656
01:19:12,910 --> 01:19:14,130
Speaker 2: at me with no shirt on.

1657
01:19:14,170 --> 01:19:16,510
Speaker 5: That's how a lot of those pictures felt. Yeah, I've

1658
01:19:16,530 --> 01:19:17,630
Speaker 5: seen Debbie Does Dallas.

1659
01:19:17,930 --> 01:19:22,700
Speaker 1: Have you? Yeah. Is it good? No. It's fun. Good storyline, though.

1660
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 1: The best. Powerful ending. Spoiler alert, Debbie Does Dallas. Well,

1661
01:19:26,920 --> 01:19:31,660
Speaker 1: no way. the whole nighttime soap opera. Okay.

1662
01:19:31,700 --> 01:19:36,660
Speaker 2: So now this is fascinating and it kind of shows

1663
01:19:36,700 --> 01:19:42,370
Speaker 2: you the mindset, but also like, you know, she's from Tennessee.

1664
01:19:42,450 --> 01:19:44,950
Speaker 2: She's living in Tennessee at this point, right. In the

1665
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:49,420
Speaker 2: Memphis area, Memphis, Tennessee, just double checking with myself. Um,

1666
01:19:50,270 --> 01:19:52,639
Speaker 2: And she's trying, she still has that thing of like celebrity.

1667
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:54,740
Speaker 2: She's always been obsessed with celebrity ever since she was

1668
01:19:54,760 --> 01:19:55,200
Speaker 2: a little kid.

1669
01:19:55,220 --> 01:19:55,849
Speaker 1: She wanted it.

1670
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: She wanted to be around it. She wanted to be

1671
01:19:57,460 --> 01:19:59,780
Speaker 2: near it. So she gets this idea in her head.

1672
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:02,799
Speaker 2: I'm going to hook up with Jerry Lee Lewis.

1673
01:20:03,100 --> 01:20:03,580
Speaker 1: What?

1674
01:20:03,820 --> 01:20:04,090
Speaker 2: Yes.

1675
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:09,130
Speaker 1: Cousins. He loves cousins. She loves cousins. That's right. In 1989.

1676
01:20:09,130 --> 01:20:11,770
Speaker 1: So she's 33 years old. She's been married four times.

1677
01:20:11,850 --> 01:20:16,050
Speaker 1: Holy shit. She's been arrested for drugs. Okay. Which it's

1678
01:20:16,090 --> 01:20:18,220
Speaker 1: the seventies. It's going to happen. Or well now it's

1679
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:18,740
Speaker 1: the late eighties.

1680
01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:19,059
Speaker 4: Okay.

1681
01:20:19,740 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: But the 70s have existed. So I'm giving her a pass,

1682
01:20:22,939 --> 01:20:26,340
Speaker 1: I guess. The 80s were even worse. The 80s were

1683
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:27,420
Speaker 1: a bit nuts.

1684
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:30,900
Speaker 2: But so it's 1989 is when she gets this Jerry

1685
01:20:30,939 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 2: Lee Lewis plan. And she actually ends up hanging out

1686
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,190
Speaker 2: and like sidling up. And she's a gorgeous woman. So

1687
01:20:38,210 --> 01:20:41,170
Speaker 2: like she eventually meets him. She gets to hang out

1688
01:20:41,189 --> 01:20:43,210
Speaker 2: with him a little bit. I guess she ends up

1689
01:20:43,229 --> 01:20:46,390
Speaker 2: hooking up with him. She gets pregnant and tells.

1690
01:20:46,170 --> 01:20:50,550
Speaker 1: Him it's her baby. It's his baby. Yeah. It's his baby.

1691
01:20:50,970 --> 01:20:53,730
Speaker 1: She's like, look, this is my baby. I hope it's

1692
01:20:53,770 --> 01:20:56,429
Speaker 1: her baby. And there's no way you can prove me wrong.

1693
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:59,180
Speaker 1: And Jerry Lou Lewis is like, sounds great. Shit, I'm sorry.

1694
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I keep hitting the mic. No, that's okay. Okay.

1695
01:21:02,979 --> 01:21:04,640
Speaker 2: So basically, Jerry Lou Lewis is like, why don't you

1696
01:21:04,660 --> 01:21:07,020
Speaker 2: go ahead and take a paternity test for that baby?

1697
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 1: Did they have those in 89? Yeah.

1698
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:12,320
Speaker 2: They were very popular back then. And of course, he

1699
01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:13,090
Speaker 2: was not the father.

1700
01:21:13,150 --> 01:21:13,600
Speaker 5: Oh, man.

1701
01:21:13,850 --> 01:21:14,310
Speaker 1: So that.

1702
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:18,540
Speaker 2: She basically... Takes her fourth husband and is like, we're

1703
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 2: moving to California. Like, she just gets out. And I

1704
01:21:22,340 --> 01:21:24,059
Speaker 2: should actually have you look this up because this is

1705
01:21:24,100 --> 01:21:24,510
Speaker 2: the best.

1706
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:26,049
Speaker 1: Bonnie Lee Bakley.

1707
01:21:26,710 --> 01:21:30,350
Speaker 2: She takes all that money from her home nudes business

1708
01:21:31,090 --> 01:21:33,330
Speaker 2: and buys herself a billboard.

1709
01:21:32,930 --> 01:21:33,990
Speaker 1: On Sunset.

1710
01:21:35,140 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 3: Strip.

1711
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:36,560
Speaker 1: Like Angeline style? Yeah.

1712
01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,590
Speaker 2: Angelina style, except for it's just on the right side.

1713
01:21:39,689 --> 01:21:43,590
Speaker 2: It's her headshot, her 80s headshot. She's just like, and

1714
01:21:43,610 --> 01:21:46,269
Speaker 2: then it just says Lee Bonnie. That was her stage name.

1715
01:21:47,330 --> 01:21:49,210
Speaker 2: Lee Bonnie with a phone number underneath it.

1716
01:21:49,229 --> 01:21:50,650
Speaker 1: Can I see this? I need to see this immediately.

1717
01:21:50,670 --> 01:21:54,429
Speaker 2: It's really, it's so 80s to me. It's just very like. Look,

1718
01:21:54,490 --> 01:21:57,610
Speaker 2: here's an actress on a billboard. So, Angeline, if you're

1719
01:21:57,650 --> 01:21:58,290
Speaker 2: not from L.A.

1720
01:21:58,370 --> 01:21:59,810
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. But you've seen her.

1721
01:21:59,930 --> 01:22:01,970
Speaker 2: Like, if they're going to do the beginning of a

1722
01:22:02,290 --> 01:22:04,970
Speaker 2: Hollywood movie, they will cut to an Angeline billboard. And

1723
01:22:04,990 --> 01:22:07,330
Speaker 2: that's that lady with the insane breast implants.

1724
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:10,710
Speaker 1: She's got the 80s. She looks like the rocker chick

1725
01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:13,490
Speaker 1: who would hang out at, like, the Whiskey.

1726
01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:14,010
Speaker 5: Yes.

1727
01:22:14,229 --> 01:22:17,680
Speaker 1: In the 80s, who would, like, hook up with metal dudes.

1728
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:21,630
Speaker 1: Metal dudes. She's got a big... kind of baby face,

1729
01:22:22,689 --> 01:22:24,680
Speaker 1: tons of blonde hair. That was a.

1730
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:27,570
Speaker 5: Staple of my childhood when we come to L.A., to

1731
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 5: my grandma's house, Angeline had a billboard there.

1732
01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: And I was just like, I want to be like

1733
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:32,420
Speaker 1: her when I grow up.

1734
01:22:32,460 --> 01:22:32,740
Speaker 5: Right.

1735
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 1: And I am. Look at you. Look at you. And

1736
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:39,670
Speaker 1: you saw yourself in that British tabloid. You've made it.

1737
01:22:40,590 --> 01:22:44,790
Speaker 2: Well, also, she was being bankrolled by some businessman. So

1738
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:47,410
Speaker 2: it was just kind of like, do you like this person?

1739
01:22:47,470 --> 01:22:49,970
Speaker 2: Put them in your movie or TV show. And that's

1740
01:22:50,050 --> 01:22:52,729
Speaker 2: kind of the way some people were trying to get famous.

1741
01:22:52,750 --> 01:22:53,050
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1742
01:22:53,110 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 2: Because nobody, because they hadn't figured out they can do

1743
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:56,500
Speaker 2: stand-up comedy yet.

1744
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:01,099
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm going to see if I can find this

1745
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 1: for you. Okay. There it is. That was on sunset. Oh, wow. Yeah.

1746
01:23:05,220 --> 01:23:10,190
Speaker 1: It looks, it looks like a, um, a real estate photo.

1747
01:23:10,290 --> 01:23:14,650
Speaker 1: It's very reasonable. Yeah. And it is very, very beautiful. Yeah. Right.

1748
01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:17,769
Speaker 2: And it's just kind of, she's just basically like, if

1749
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:19,110
Speaker 2: you drive by this and you want to put me

1750
01:23:19,150 --> 01:23:21,189
Speaker 2: in your thing, totally feel free.

1751
01:23:21,330 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: Okay. Plus I have home nudes. Yes. Cheekbones for days.

1752
01:23:26,660 --> 01:23:29,620
Speaker 1: You know, she looks like somewhere between Meryl Streep and

1753
01:23:29,660 --> 01:23:36,059
Speaker 1: Bonnie Raitt. Yeah. She has that look. Yeah. Like severe angles,

1754
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:40,210
Speaker 1: but pretty. Yeah. Okay. And a nice tall forehead. Maybe

1755
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:41,990
Speaker 1: a little Sigourney Weaver going on.

1756
01:23:42,030 --> 01:23:45,090
Speaker 2: There's a little Weaver in there. She starts writing. So

1757
01:23:45,110 --> 01:23:48,490
Speaker 2: this was around the time where Christian Brando... Ended up

1758
01:23:48,610 --> 01:23:53,450
Speaker 2: going to jail for involuntary manslaughter.

1759
01:23:53,570 --> 01:23:56,150
Speaker 1: Right. Marlon Brando's son.

1760
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:56,510
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1761
01:23:56,770 --> 01:23:57,060
Speaker 1: Right.

1762
01:23:57,260 --> 01:23:57,410
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1763
01:23:57,490 --> 01:24:02,460
Speaker 1: He's going off the fucking rails. Yeah. That's a whole other.

1764
01:24:02,580 --> 01:24:04,250
Speaker 1: I didn't even want to get into it because I'm like, oh,

1765
01:24:04,280 --> 01:24:08,060
Speaker 1: we should save that one. Because that's a whole insane story. Totally.

1766
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:08,980
Speaker 1: These Hollywood murders.

1767
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 4: But.

1768
01:24:10,390 --> 01:24:13,630
Speaker 2: Um, so he's in jail. So she's one of those people.

1769
01:24:13,729 --> 01:24:17,309
Speaker 2: She starts writing him letters in jail, sending him home,

1770
01:24:17,910 --> 01:24:18,830
Speaker 2: homespun nudes.

1771
01:24:18,970 --> 01:24:19,490
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

1772
01:24:19,610 --> 01:24:22,430
Speaker 2: He's like, this is great. Thank you so much. And

1773
01:24:22,630 --> 01:24:25,050
Speaker 2: when he gets out of jail, they started having a relationship.

1774
01:24:25,229 --> 01:24:26,250
Speaker 1: Oh shit. Yeah.

1775
01:24:27,110 --> 01:24:30,450
Speaker 2: Um, so that's basically kind of just this on and

1776
01:24:30,510 --> 01:24:32,950
Speaker 2: off thing. They, a lot of people in this special

1777
01:24:32,990 --> 01:24:34,950
Speaker 2: say like they're seeing each other or whatever.

1778
01:24:34,990 --> 01:24:37,150
Speaker 1: Like, uh huh. We get it. We know what that means.

1779
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 2: In a van in the alley behind the jazz club. Oh, Uh,

1780
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:44,630
Speaker 2: but then when she's seeing Christian Brando in real life,

1781
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:47,210
Speaker 2: that's when she meets Robert Blake.

1782
01:24:47,250 --> 01:24:49,090
Speaker 1: That's where that story overlaps.

1783
01:24:49,130 --> 01:24:49,290
Speaker 5: Okay.

1784
01:24:49,630 --> 01:24:52,630
Speaker 2: So Bonnie kept flying back to Arkansas to pick up

1785
01:24:52,670 --> 01:24:59,160
Speaker 2: her mail because apparently when she lived in, uh, she was,

1786
01:25:00,660 --> 01:25:03,990
Speaker 2: she ended up getting arrested there. Because she had so

1787
01:25:04,050 --> 01:25:07,940
Speaker 2: many fake IDs and so many fake Social Security cards

1788
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:11,340
Speaker 2: for all the different people that she pretended to be

1789
01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,400
Speaker 2: when she had that home nudes business. She never gave

1790
01:25:14,460 --> 01:25:15,420
Speaker 2: anybody her real name.

1791
01:25:15,500 --> 01:25:15,700
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1792
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:20,300
Speaker 1: So she had a ton of fake ID, like fraudulent ID, basically.

1793
01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:20,420
Speaker 4: Okay.

1794
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,980
Speaker 2: She had gone home to pick up her mail because

1795
01:25:24,020 --> 01:25:26,160
Speaker 2: she had been arrested for.

1796
01:25:27,330 --> 01:25:29,750
Speaker 1: Basically, she got pulled over. A cop said, let me

1797
01:25:29,790 --> 01:25:32,610
Speaker 1: see your ID. She pulls out one. Fifteen other ones

1798
01:25:32,650 --> 01:25:35,270
Speaker 1: fall out. The cop's like, what the fuck? She gets

1799
01:25:35,350 --> 01:25:39,330
Speaker 1: arrested for fraud or whatever. So now she's on probation

1800
01:25:39,550 --> 01:25:42,309
Speaker 1: in Arkansas. So she has to have an address there. Yeah.

1801
01:25:42,390 --> 01:25:44,810
Speaker 2: So she keeps, she like stays in LA for a

1802
01:25:44,830 --> 01:25:47,150
Speaker 2: little while, goes checks her billboard.

1803
01:25:46,990 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 1: To see if there's any takers. And then she goes back.

1804
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:51,849
Speaker 1: She has to go back to Arkansas. She's been doing

1805
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:52,570
Speaker 1: that on and off.

1806
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:52,800
Speaker 5: Okay.

1807
01:25:53,310 --> 01:25:56,280
Speaker 2: But once she hooks up with Robert Blake, so it's

1808
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,180
Speaker 2: April of 1989. Now she finds out she's pregnant.

1809
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1810
01:26:00,780 --> 01:26:04,500
Speaker 2: So she tells both Christian Brando and Robert Blake that

1811
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 2: they're the father.

1812
01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:05,580
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1813
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,220
Speaker 2: And, uh, she's kind of doing this thing of like,

1814
01:26:09,340 --> 01:26:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm not sure which one I want to marry. And

1815
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 2: I'm still trying to pick because Robert Blake had a

1816
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,979
Speaker 2: ton of money and he was really stable and he

1817
01:26:16,010 --> 01:26:19,550
Speaker 2: was actually interested in her and like into her Christian

1818
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:22,970
Speaker 2: Brando was young and good looking. And, you know, kind

1819
01:26:23,010 --> 01:26:25,870
Speaker 2: of like the, you know, she was just trying to

1820
01:26:26,110 --> 01:26:28,250
Speaker 2: decide like who she was going to start a life with.

1821
01:26:28,689 --> 01:26:31,300
Speaker 2: So she picks Robert Blake, but then when she tells him,

1822
01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:33,410
Speaker 2: so I'm pregnant and And blah, blah, blah.

1823
01:26:33,510 --> 01:26:36,610
Speaker 1: He's just like, you lied to me. And he turns

1824
01:26:36,689 --> 01:26:37,750
Speaker 1: on her. Robert Blake does?

1825
01:26:37,970 --> 01:26:38,210
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1826
01:26:38,450 --> 01:26:39,710
Speaker 1: He's super mean. They have.

1827
01:26:40,170 --> 01:26:45,080
Speaker 2: So, it also turns out, later on when this trial starts,

1828
01:26:45,580 --> 01:26:47,040
Speaker 2: she recorded almost.

1829
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:51,540
Speaker 1: Every single phone call she ever had. Shut up. So, they... Like,

1830
01:26:51,660 --> 01:26:57,170
Speaker 1: when this case started... I vaguely remember this. Yeah.

1831
01:26:57,229 --> 01:26:59,540
Speaker 2: They had, they have phone calls of theirs. They have

1832
01:26:59,580 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 2: phone calls of other people. She had like, she just

1833
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,620
Speaker 2: recorded all phone calls.

1834
01:27:03,740 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 1: Weird.

1835
01:27:04,380 --> 01:27:06,469
Speaker 2: So they could go through all of them. And that's

1836
01:27:06,479 --> 01:27:09,210
Speaker 2: when they start to find out her very checkered past.

1837
01:27:09,350 --> 01:27:15,030
Speaker 1: Okay. Like the actual proof of it. Um, But basically she,

1838
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:17,210
Speaker 1: she thinks she's going to do this kind of like, well,

1839
01:27:17,250 --> 01:27:18,710
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant. And so let's hook up.

1840
01:27:19,150 --> 01:27:22,059
Speaker 2: And I finally made my decision of my two boyfriends

1841
01:27:22,660 --> 01:27:26,320
Speaker 2: in my Hollywood life. And Robert Blake is like, no

1842
01:27:26,380 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 2: fucking way. And is so mean and like demanding she

1843
01:27:29,939 --> 01:27:32,480
Speaker 2: get an abortion, telling her he's going to make her

1844
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:35,060
Speaker 2: get an abortion, like all this stuff that she actually

1845
01:27:35,100 --> 01:27:37,439
Speaker 2: ends up writing a letter to her lawyer saying, If

1846
01:27:37,640 --> 01:27:40,920
Speaker 2: anything happens to me, Robert Blake is responsible for my death.

1847
01:27:41,080 --> 01:27:42,269
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

1848
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:47,730
Speaker 2: So she ends up going back to Arkansas or Memphis.

1849
01:27:48,410 --> 01:27:50,490
Speaker 2: I think it was Memphis. And she has the baby.

1850
01:27:50,510 --> 01:27:54,100
Speaker 2: It's this beautiful little girl. I mean, we've all seen

1851
01:27:54,540 --> 01:27:56,440
Speaker 2: when the case came up, you saw a million pictures

1852
01:27:56,500 --> 01:27:56,700
Speaker 2: of her.

1853
01:27:56,979 --> 01:27:59,990
Speaker 1: Her name's Rose. And she is. So cute.

1854
01:28:00,110 --> 01:28:02,350
Speaker 2: She looks like she's wearing like a little black hat

1855
01:28:02,370 --> 01:28:05,370
Speaker 2: of hair and she's got like bright red lips. And

1856
01:28:05,410 --> 01:28:08,770
Speaker 2: the second that Robert Blake saw the picture of her,

1857
01:28:09,310 --> 01:28:13,370
Speaker 2: he called Bonnie Blake Bakley and said, get a paternity

1858
01:28:13,390 --> 01:28:14,939
Speaker 2: test because that's my baby.

1859
01:28:15,780 --> 01:28:18,820
Speaker 1: And they did. And it proved that it was his baby.

1860
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:22,139
Speaker 1: So he knew. He knew. It looks exactly like him. Okay.

1861
01:28:22,220 --> 01:28:24,720
Speaker 1: And especially when you see those like our gang clips

1862
01:28:24,740 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's she's.

1863
01:28:26,590 --> 01:28:28,769
Speaker 2: Looks just like him and she's really cute.

1864
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:28,870
Speaker 1: Okay.

1865
01:28:29,270 --> 01:28:33,210
Speaker 2: So he's basically says to Bonnie, move back to LA,

1866
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:36,250
Speaker 2: make a life with me. Like I want to, I like,

1867
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:38,950
Speaker 2: I love that baby. That's my baby. Let's make this work.

1868
01:28:39,450 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: And so. she gets on a plane, even though she

1869
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:46,380
Speaker 2: knows she's breaking her parole or violating her parole. Uh,

1870
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:49,560
Speaker 2: she gets back on a plane, uh, to LA to,

1871
01:28:49,740 --> 01:28:53,260
Speaker 2: to make this happen. Once she's in LA, Robert Blake

1872
01:28:53,300 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 2: is like, give the baby to the nanny for the day.

1873
01:28:56,160 --> 01:28:58,219
Speaker 2: Let's go out to lunch. And when they're out to lunch,

1874
01:28:58,420 --> 01:29:01,229
Speaker 2: two cops walk up. And go, you're in violation of

1875
01:29:01,290 --> 01:29:04,110
Speaker 2: your parole in Arkansas. You're under arrest.

1876
01:29:04,189 --> 01:29:07,710
Speaker 1: Stop it. And take her away. Robert Blake's like, don't

1877
01:29:07,729 --> 01:29:08,950
Speaker 1: worry about it. I'll take care of the baby.

1878
01:29:09,490 --> 01:29:12,770
Speaker 2: We've got it covered. Those two cops bring her. They

1879
01:29:12,820 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 2: don't arrest her. They bring her to the airport and

1880
01:29:14,620 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 2: put her on a plane.

1881
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:18,640
Speaker 1: No. Back to Arkansas. They tricked her? Yeah, they tricked her.

1882
01:29:19,380 --> 01:29:21,940
Speaker 1: So it turned out those two guys weren't cops. No.

1883
01:29:22,300 --> 01:29:24,379
Speaker 1: They were two friends of Robert Blake's. No.

1884
01:29:24,540 --> 01:29:28,330
Speaker 2: And the entire time it was his plan to get

1885
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:29,590
Speaker 2: custody of that little girl.

1886
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:33,520
Speaker 1: Oh my God. So basically he's got the baby.

1887
01:29:34,530 --> 01:29:38,700
Speaker 2: His grown daughter is like keeping the baby at her house.

1888
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:42,600
Speaker 2: And he just basically sent her back and was like

1889
01:29:43,280 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 2: trying to get rid of her. So she realizes the

1890
01:29:48,120 --> 01:29:50,720
Speaker 2: whole thing was a scam. She's furious. She threatens to

1891
01:29:50,740 --> 01:29:54,150
Speaker 2: file kidnapping charges against him. So they start to work

1892
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:56,689
Speaker 2: on a deal because she's like, I will, I will

1893
01:29:57,070 --> 01:29:57,590
Speaker 2: like throw the.

1894
01:29:57,530 --> 01:30:01,650
Speaker 1: Book at you. Yeah. And the deal is, She agrees

1895
01:30:01,689 --> 01:30:05,710
Speaker 1: to drop the charges if he'll marry her. Shut up. Uh-huh.

1896
01:30:06,520 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 1: So they... That's the most romantic thing I've ever heard

1897
01:30:09,100 --> 01:30:10,060
Speaker 1: in my life. This is.

1898
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:12,460
Speaker 2: Remember the story you told about the guy writing the

1899
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,190
Speaker 2: girl's name on the thing?

1900
01:30:14,210 --> 01:30:15,830
Speaker 1: This is better. Sending it to a planet.

1901
01:30:15,850 --> 01:30:16,809
Speaker 3: This is better.

1902
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:18,090
Speaker 1: Can you imagine if a man....

1903
01:30:19,210 --> 01:30:22,269
Speaker 5: So how'd you guys meet? So how'd you and Vince meet? Well,

1904
01:30:22,979 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 5: I tricked him. I threatened him with kidnapping charges.

1905
01:30:26,580 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 2: He retaliated, of course. And then I made him sign

1906
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:31,380
Speaker 2: a piece of paper that said.

1907
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:34,260
Speaker 1: But in the end, you were meant to be. He

1908
01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:36,620
Speaker 1: didn't love me. And I'm never alone with him because

1909
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: I'm scared of him. What the fuck? So crazy.

1910
01:30:39,660 --> 01:30:43,030
Speaker 2: So in this prenup, basically it was like she was

1911
01:30:43,070 --> 01:30:45,330
Speaker 2: allowed to see the baby once a month and to

1912
01:30:45,350 --> 01:30:46,790
Speaker 2: see Robert Blake once a month.

1913
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:50,440
Speaker 1: That's the agreement. It was the exchange. He will marry

1914
01:30:50,479 --> 01:30:51,460
Speaker 1: you if you sign this.

1915
01:30:51,479 --> 01:30:53,020
Speaker 5: But what does she get out of it then? If

1916
01:30:53,060 --> 01:30:54,340
Speaker 5: she doesn't even get to be with her baby, she

1917
01:30:54,380 --> 01:30:55,380
Speaker 5: didn't care about her baby.

1918
01:30:55,900 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: Well, she does, but she, there's nothing she can do

1919
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:01,639
Speaker 2: because she was in violation of parole and they've already

1920
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: kind of got that. So it's the kind of the

1921
01:31:04,300 --> 01:31:06,939
Speaker 2: only thing, only way she can see the baby still

1922
01:31:06,970 --> 01:31:08,770
Speaker 2: be in a life and still get the thing she

1923
01:31:08,810 --> 01:31:11,229
Speaker 2: ultimately has always wanted, which is To be married to

1924
01:31:11,250 --> 01:31:11,750
Speaker 2: a celebrity.

1925
01:31:11,770 --> 01:31:14,590
Speaker 1: Oh, man. That feels... I'm going to move out of L.A.

1926
01:31:14,610 --> 01:31:19,910
Speaker 1: right now. It's... This town is bad feelings wall to wall. Delore.

1927
01:31:20,150 --> 01:31:23,780
Speaker 1: Good night. I mean, anyone who comes here has bad intentions.

1928
01:31:24,939 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 1: Or is going to have a bad time. Right. Or

1929
01:31:27,740 --> 01:31:30,139
Speaker 1: better get bad intentions or you're going to get screwed.

1930
01:31:31,090 --> 01:31:33,530
Speaker 1: Screw before you get screwed. That's for sure. Yeah.

1931
01:31:34,370 --> 01:31:37,270
Speaker 2: Um, yeah, just real good feeling place. It's, it's the

1932
01:31:37,330 --> 01:31:40,050
Speaker 2: reason that people come here, try to do something and

1933
01:31:40,090 --> 01:31:42,610
Speaker 2: then they're like, Oh no, you know what? I'm now

1934
01:31:42,630 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 2: an evangelical Christian because I've, I've seen or a Scientologist

1935
01:31:48,580 --> 01:31:51,340
Speaker 2: or I'm going to be so vegan that I try

1936
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:54,599
Speaker 2: to kill you. Like it's people just have to, they

1937
01:31:54,620 --> 01:31:56,220
Speaker 2: have to reassess their entire life.

1938
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:57,910
Speaker 5: They like need a thing to focus on.

1939
01:31:58,229 --> 01:32:02,769
Speaker 2: Otherwise they'll focus on The horrible. How they're nothing or

1940
01:32:02,810 --> 01:32:05,150
Speaker 2: they'll buy themselves a billboard. Like it's the kind of

1941
01:32:05,210 --> 01:32:08,570
Speaker 2: town where you feel like you're so nothing for so

1942
01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:10,729
Speaker 2: long that you're like, I'm just going to buy a billboard.

1943
01:32:11,330 --> 01:32:13,810
Speaker 1: It's the only way I can break through. It's just,

1944
01:32:13,970 --> 01:32:16,010
Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. So anyway, I like it here though.

1945
01:32:16,350 --> 01:32:18,130
Speaker 1: I mean, no, I love it. I'm pretty happy. Okay.

1946
01:32:18,310 --> 01:32:20,590
Speaker 2: It's really gorgeous. We're having a great time. And guys,

1947
01:32:21,189 --> 01:32:22,640
Speaker 2: we get to do a show at the ORFM in

1948
01:32:22,650 --> 01:32:22,940
Speaker 2: two days.

1949
01:32:22,979 --> 01:32:24,560
Speaker 1: Oh my God. That's amazing.

1950
01:32:24,820 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 2: She signs this prenup that basically gives her almost nothing.

1951
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:33,850
Speaker 1: Um, they marry in November of 2000. I wish I

1952
01:32:33,870 --> 01:32:36,910
Speaker 1: could have been at that fucking ceremony. I bet there

1953
01:32:36,930 --> 01:32:43,350
Speaker 1: was rose petals and love galore. Everywhere. Just like scattered.

1954
01:32:43,550 --> 01:32:45,870
Speaker 2: You just used the word galore. And I think I

1955
01:32:45,930 --> 01:32:49,689
Speaker 2: might never stop using the word galore. It's so fun

1956
01:32:49,729 --> 01:32:50,210
Speaker 2: to say.

1957
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:53,490
Speaker 1: It's of that time. It feels of this era. Yes.

1958
01:32:53,650 --> 01:32:55,440
Speaker 1: And I mean, like, you know, it's 2000, but like

1959
01:32:55,580 --> 01:32:56,540
Speaker 1: this fucking time.

1960
01:32:57,110 --> 01:33:00,550
Speaker 2: Thing yeah six months later when her probation ends in

1961
01:33:00,610 --> 01:33:04,230
Speaker 2: arkansas she officially moves to la she moves into the

1962
01:33:04,350 --> 01:33:08,510
Speaker 2: guest house on his property not into his house her

1963
01:33:08,610 --> 01:33:12,310
Speaker 2: husband's house she moves into the guest house and they

1964
01:33:12,430 --> 01:33:16,230
Speaker 2: never share the same house they only ever set it

1965
01:33:16,270 --> 01:33:18,769
Speaker 2: up like that so it's not a real yeah i

1966
01:33:18,810 --> 01:33:21,650
Speaker 2: don't get it it's very strange so then this all

1967
01:33:21,710 --> 01:33:25,860
Speaker 2: leads up now we are up to may 4th Of 2001.

1968
01:33:25,860 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 1: 2001.

1969
01:33:26,280 --> 01:33:28,990
Speaker 2: When Robert Blake asks Bonnie if she would like to

1970
01:33:29,030 --> 01:33:30,130
Speaker 2: go out to dinner.

1971
01:33:30,189 --> 01:33:32,530
Speaker 1: Do they ever go like on dates or anything like that?

1972
01:33:32,610 --> 01:33:36,410
Speaker 1: Do we know? It doesn't sound like it. Yeah. No.

1973
01:33:36,850 --> 01:33:38,490
Speaker 1: It sounds like a real bummer, man.

1974
01:33:38,650 --> 01:33:42,790
Speaker 2: It sounds like the most toxic relationship and the most

1975
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:46,250
Speaker 2: codependent bad intentions from every direction.

1976
01:33:46,689 --> 01:33:50,309
Speaker 1: Also, it's that thing of like, if you get together

1977
01:33:50,330 --> 01:33:50,730
Speaker 1: with a guy.

1978
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,300
Speaker 2: And then the only way you can see staying in

1979
01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,759
Speaker 2: his life is tricking him into thinking he's fathered your child.

1980
01:33:58,860 --> 01:34:00,760
Speaker 2: I'd go back to square one, go back to that

1981
01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:02,230
Speaker 2: jazz bar and pick somebody else.

1982
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:05,280
Speaker 1: Or start, you know, go back even further. Start it.

1983
01:34:05,530 --> 01:34:09,030
Speaker 1: Go to therapy. Yeah. Start there. Ask some questions.

1984
01:34:09,110 --> 01:34:10,710
Speaker 5: So then when you get to the jazz bar, you

1985
01:34:10,750 --> 01:34:13,230
Speaker 5: pick a good, kind person.

1986
01:34:13,479 --> 01:34:13,879
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1987
01:34:14,500 --> 01:34:17,430
Speaker 2: Maybe drop some of that. whatever happened to you in

1988
01:34:17,450 --> 01:34:21,550
Speaker 2: junior high, um, drop, drop some of that. My first

1989
01:34:21,570 --> 01:34:24,070
Speaker 2: marriage was when I was 15. See, see if you

1990
01:34:24,090 --> 01:34:28,480
Speaker 2: can start a new, none of this is helping anybody, uh,

1991
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:30,240
Speaker 2: or constructive in any way.

1992
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:33,160
Speaker 1: So they go to dinner. He says, I want to

1993
01:34:33,180 --> 01:34:36,300
Speaker 1: take you to Vitello's. She's like, hell yes. Yeah.

1994
01:34:36,380 --> 01:34:40,269
Speaker 2: I love dusty grape, fake grapes. I love red sauce.

1995
01:34:40,630 --> 01:34:45,290
Speaker 2: I love melted mozzarella on, on, you know, pottery.

1996
01:34:45,150 --> 01:34:50,430
Speaker 1: Box, Chianti favorite. Uh, what's that wine? The one that's

1997
01:34:50,470 --> 01:34:55,610
Speaker 1: so funny. Chablis. Oh, Vin Rose. That's my grandma used

1998
01:34:55,650 --> 01:34:59,839
Speaker 1: to order. Oh my God. I'll have a Vin Rose. Uh,

1999
01:34:59,900 --> 01:35:02,260
Speaker 1: she had a weird New York accent cause she was

2000
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 1: from San Francisco. Um, okay. So they go to dinner. Um, there,

2001
01:35:07,780 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: I just had a recurrent, uh, uh, recovered memory, there

2002
01:35:11,340 --> 01:35:14,390
Speaker 1: used to be a stand-up show at Vitello's upstairs. Yeah,

2003
01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:15,770
Speaker 1: this was like the late 90s.

2004
01:35:17,050 --> 01:35:18,490
Speaker 2: Those are the kind of things I would be like, sure,

2005
01:35:18,510 --> 01:35:19,830
Speaker 2: I'll do that show, and I would show up and

2006
01:35:19,850 --> 01:35:21,969
Speaker 2: I'd be like, I'm not doing this.

2007
01:35:22,010 --> 01:35:25,210
Speaker 1: I'm going to drink in the corner. You can have

2008
01:35:25,250 --> 01:35:26,550
Speaker 1: the opera guy take my sack.

2009
01:35:28,370 --> 01:35:33,040
Speaker 2: Okay, so Robert Blake tells Bonnie that he's brought his

2010
01:35:33,080 --> 01:35:36,019
Speaker 2: 9mm pistol with him to dinner because of all the

2011
01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:39,260
Speaker 2: unscrupulous business that she's involved in and for her safety.

2012
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:43,700
Speaker 2: And she's like, sounds great. I'll have the breadsticks.

2013
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:50,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. And... She ordered the breadsticks. Just breadsticks. Sounds fucking great.

2014
01:35:50,229 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 1: You know, when you're trying to be ladylike on a date. Yeah,

2015
01:35:52,150 --> 01:35:55,270
Speaker 1: you're on a diet. I'll just get seven breadsticks. Can

2016
01:35:55,330 --> 01:36:01,849
Speaker 1: I just have the breadsticks? And a pitcher of iced tea. God,

2017
01:36:01,890 --> 01:36:06,090
Speaker 1: I love Vitellos. So they leave the restaurant at 924. And.

2018
01:36:08,670 --> 01:36:14,670
Speaker 2: Between 924 and 940, Bonnie Lee Bakley is shot in

2019
01:36:16,570 --> 01:36:21,410
Speaker 2: Robert Blake's car in the parking lot of Vitello's. So

2020
01:36:21,430 --> 01:36:26,610
Speaker 2: they get into the car, and then he goes, sorry,

2021
01:36:26,650 --> 01:36:28,690
Speaker 2: I left my gun in the restaurant. I'll be right back,

2022
01:36:28,890 --> 01:36:30,370
Speaker 2: and goes back into the restaurant.

2023
01:36:30,390 --> 01:36:33,570
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. Um, to get his gun that he says he

2024
01:36:33,610 --> 01:36:34,769
Speaker 1: left in the booth. Great.

2025
01:36:34,840 --> 01:36:37,220
Speaker 2: There are no witnesses from the restaurant that say he

2026
01:36:37,260 --> 01:36:39,180
Speaker 2: went back into the restaurant. No one saw him go

2027
01:36:39,240 --> 01:36:42,340
Speaker 2: in and get his gun. But while he, he claims

2028
01:36:42,380 --> 01:36:44,600
Speaker 2: in his alibi is that when he, while she was

2029
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:47,740
Speaker 2: getting shot outside, he was inside getting his gun.

2030
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 1: But nobody saw him. No one saw him.

2031
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:52,010
Speaker 2: But it's the perfect alibi because it's like, well, I

2032
01:36:52,050 --> 01:36:53,490
Speaker 2: was inside with my gun.

2033
01:36:53,590 --> 01:36:55,970
Speaker 1: Just say you went inside to pee. Like, why did

2034
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:57,790
Speaker 1: he have to introduce the gun part?

2035
01:36:57,930 --> 01:37:00,269
Speaker 2: I guess to cover the fact that that's where his

2036
01:37:00,310 --> 01:37:02,550
Speaker 2: gun was. Like, make it real clear that.

2037
01:37:02,890 --> 01:37:04,550
Speaker 5: Oh, he didn't even have his gun on him.

2038
01:37:04,910 --> 01:37:07,090
Speaker 1: Yeah, the gun wasn't anywhere but in the restaurant. But

2039
01:37:07,110 --> 01:37:10,570
Speaker 1: then why didn't he actually do that and wave at

2040
01:37:10,610 --> 01:37:12,710
Speaker 1: everyone with the gun? Hi, guys. So they all said

2041
01:37:12,729 --> 01:37:14,349
Speaker 1: they saw him waving with the gun. You know what

2042
01:37:14,390 --> 01:37:16,009
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, I don't know. Listen, I'm a master

2043
01:37:16,050 --> 01:37:19,650
Speaker 1: fucking criminal. Can I mute it? I mean, would that

2044
01:37:19,689 --> 01:37:23,910
Speaker 1: have helped? Be like, hey guys, you know, thanks again. Bye.

2045
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: Oh shit, my wife just got shot. This one's for

2046
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 1: the opera singer. Chew into the ceiling. I'm sorry, I'm

2047
01:37:29,220 --> 01:37:31,800
Speaker 1: making light of this. No, no, no. I mean, what

2048
01:37:31,820 --> 01:37:34,360
Speaker 1: we're making light of is the plan. The whole... What

2049
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:37,679
Speaker 1: we're making light of is life and how fucking stupid

2050
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:38,020
Speaker 1: it is.

2051
01:37:38,100 --> 01:37:41,349
Speaker 2: And also how Hollywood makes you think you can do

2052
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:43,450
Speaker 2: things you shouldn't and can't do.

2053
01:37:43,570 --> 01:37:44,670
Speaker 1: But it fucking.

2054
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:50,410
Speaker 5: money and acquittal, the TV show has shown us anything.

2055
01:37:50,430 --> 01:37:54,210
Speaker 1: It's true. It is true. It's true. It's why people

2056
01:37:54,250 --> 01:37:55,870
Speaker 1: want it so badly is because it gets you to

2057
01:37:55,910 --> 01:37:57,510
Speaker 1: a place. I was right. Rich and acquitted.

2058
01:37:58,010 --> 01:38:01,010
Speaker 2: It gets you to a place where you are untouchable

2059
01:38:01,070 --> 01:38:02,099
Speaker 2: and that's what everybody wants.

2060
01:38:02,110 --> 01:38:06,480
Speaker 1: That's real power. So I want to be touchable. Oh,

2061
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,140
Speaker 1: do you? I don't want to be untouchable. I think

2062
01:38:08,180 --> 01:38:12,700
Speaker 1: you're silky soft and totally touchable. Thank you. Baby soft.

2063
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:13,560
Speaker 1: Thank you.

2064
01:38:13,580 --> 01:38:19,800
Speaker 2: So At 940, Robert Blake rings the doorbell of a

2065
01:38:19,900 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: neighbor of Vitello's.

2066
01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: Why?

2067
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:25,330
Speaker 2: Because he went there to call 9-1-1 to the neighbors

2068
01:38:25,890 --> 01:38:31,480
Speaker 2: screaming going fucking berserk god um and the neighbor is

2069
01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:34,960
Speaker 2: it's a guy named sean stanek it's his house he

2070
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,960
Speaker 2: goes there to his house to call 9-1-1 when he

2071
01:38:38,020 --> 01:38:40,000
Speaker 2: leaves and the cops go to like go to the

2072
01:38:40,020 --> 01:38:43,490
Speaker 2: crime scene he he He waits a little while.

2073
01:38:43,530 --> 01:38:44,750
Speaker 1: Then he calls police again.

2074
01:38:44,770 --> 01:38:47,570
Speaker 2: And he asks them to come and look through his

2075
01:38:47,610 --> 01:38:51,310
Speaker 2: house because he thinks Robert Blake might have hid something

2076
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:53,770
Speaker 2: there while he was there. He says his behavior was

2077
01:38:53,840 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 2: so strange and over the top and bizarre. And he

2078
01:38:56,979 --> 01:39:00,099
Speaker 2: was screaming and being super crazy about my.

2079
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:01,380
Speaker 1: Wife, my wife, my whatever.

2080
01:39:02,200 --> 01:39:04,349
Speaker 2: That he was like, I don't, I just want you

2081
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:06,070
Speaker 2: guys to come and look. I feel like he did

2082
01:39:06,150 --> 01:39:09,309
Speaker 2: something and I didn't catch it, which I think is amazing.

2083
01:39:09,410 --> 01:39:11,910
Speaker 2: And such a cool move where it's like, could I

2084
01:39:11,930 --> 01:39:12,950
Speaker 2: just invite you guys.

2085
01:39:12,790 --> 01:39:14,630
Speaker 5: Back real quick? He didn't even try to look for

2086
01:39:14,670 --> 01:39:17,170
Speaker 5: it himself. He was just like, something's fucking off and

2087
01:39:17,250 --> 01:39:18,700
Speaker 5: I am not putting my fingerprints on it.

2088
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: No, get the authorities in here. Absolutely. ASAP. Well done,

2089
01:39:22,060 --> 01:39:22,620
Speaker 1: Sean Stanek.

2090
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 2: So And other neighbors in the neighborhood were like, yeah,

2091
01:39:26,700 --> 01:39:29,590
Speaker 2: he was just running around screaming and, like, just so

2092
01:39:29,670 --> 01:39:33,950
Speaker 2: clearly presenting, like, I am freaking out. But a little

2093
01:39:34,150 --> 01:39:35,770
Speaker 2: vaudevillian and over the top.

2094
01:39:35,790 --> 01:39:35,870
Speaker 5: Sure.

2095
01:39:36,370 --> 01:39:38,549
Speaker 1: Play it to the back. What do you guys call it? Yeah, exactly.

2096
01:39:38,630 --> 01:39:40,290
Speaker 1: Play to the back row. Yeah.

2097
01:39:42,270 --> 01:39:45,740
Speaker 2: So police are like, well, this is strange because, again,

2098
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:49,860
Speaker 2: no witnesses actually saw him go into Vitello's the second time.

2099
01:39:50,860 --> 01:39:54,799
Speaker 1: And he also... Bonnie... had a cell.

2100
01:39:54,580 --> 01:39:57,520
Speaker 2: Phone and was always on her cell phone. She was like,

2101
01:39:57,740 --> 01:40:01,600
Speaker 2: as we know for her recorded messages obsession, she was

2102
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:04,080
Speaker 2: a big phone person, always had her phone on her.

2103
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,300
Speaker 2: He could have taken her phone and called 911.

2104
01:40:06,240 --> 01:40:09,809
Speaker 1: Right there at the car and he didn't do it.

2105
01:40:09,820 --> 01:40:10,420
Speaker 4: Okay.

2106
01:40:10,860 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 1: He also, he was taken in for questioning.

2107
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:17,100
Speaker 2: After like they all left the scene. So Bonnie, uh,

2108
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:18,500
Speaker 2: was shot twice.

2109
01:40:19,020 --> 01:40:20,280
Speaker 1: In the car. She was in the car. She was

2110
01:40:20,340 --> 01:40:22,939
Speaker 1: sitting in the car in the passenger seat, shot through

2111
01:40:22,979 --> 01:40:25,599
Speaker 1: the window. blood all in the car.

2112
01:40:26,220 --> 01:40:28,400
Speaker 2: She was taken, the ambulance came and she was taken

2113
01:40:28,420 --> 01:40:33,480
Speaker 2: to the hospital, but she died at the hospital. Robert

2114
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:36,810
Speaker 2: Blake was taken in for questioning by the detectives, never

2115
01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:37,600
Speaker 2: asked how she was.

2116
01:40:38,510 --> 01:40:38,850
Speaker 1: No.

2117
01:40:40,330 --> 01:40:42,030
Speaker 2: So they were like, yeah, the couple of these things

2118
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:45,050
Speaker 2: aren't adding up in a big way. They do the

2119
01:40:45,229 --> 01:40:50,350
Speaker 2: gun residue on his hands test inconclusive. They end up,

2120
01:40:50,570 --> 01:40:54,240
Speaker 2: which is a super brilliant idea, and like You know,

2121
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:59,059
Speaker 2: for 2000s, pretty advanced. There's a dumpster that the car

2122
01:40:59,100 --> 01:41:02,120
Speaker 2: is parked right next to. And instead of going through

2123
01:41:02,150 --> 01:41:04,910
Speaker 2: the dumpster there, they just take the entire dumpster back

2124
01:41:05,330 --> 01:41:07,630
Speaker 2: to like the forensics lab or whatever and go through

2125
01:41:07,790 --> 01:41:09,769
Speaker 2: every piece of garbage piece by piece.

2126
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:12,729
Speaker 1: That's right. To find. Yeah. To find anything. And they

2127
01:41:12,890 --> 01:41:15,030
Speaker 1: end up finding this dumpster.

2128
01:41:16,189 --> 01:41:19,269
Speaker 2: It's a 9mm, it's a very rare World War II

2129
01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:25,040
Speaker 2: German officer's gun that's a P38 9mm pistol.

2130
01:41:25,180 --> 01:41:25,740
Speaker 1: No idea.

2131
01:41:25,939 --> 01:41:28,280
Speaker 2: But when they find it, it's covered in motor oil.

2132
01:41:28,780 --> 01:41:31,340
Speaker 2: So they can't get any fingerprints off of it or

2133
01:41:31,479 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 2: even do any ballistics on it.

2134
01:41:34,050 --> 01:41:38,240
Speaker 1: It's just completely ruined. Okay. they think intentionally. Yeah.

2135
01:41:38,500 --> 01:41:40,480
Speaker 5: I wonder if that was a fucking plot line in

2136
01:41:40,600 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 5: an episode of Beretta. They should have fucking looked that up, man.

2137
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:47,099
Speaker 1: That's a fucking genius idea. Can you, can, is double

2138
01:41:47,120 --> 01:41:50,190
Speaker 1: jeopardy still a thing? Um, bring him back, bring him

2139
01:41:50,229 --> 01:41:52,550
Speaker 1: on back. That is such a good idea.

2140
01:41:52,570 --> 01:41:55,390
Speaker 2: I wonder if anybody looked up all the episodes of

2141
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:58,250
Speaker 2: Beretta and just been like, this person did this, this person,

2142
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:59,250
Speaker 2: this was the plan.

2143
01:41:59,290 --> 01:41:59,530
Speaker 5: Sure.

2144
01:42:00,229 --> 01:42:00,509
Speaker 1: Okay.

2145
01:42:00,850 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 2: The next day, um, He lawyers up immediately, of course.

2146
01:42:06,380 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 2: And the next day is when the lawyer starts releasing

2147
01:42:10,260 --> 01:42:14,740
Speaker 2: the phone call tapes of Bonnie, starts trashing her. Like

2148
01:42:14,780 --> 01:42:17,820
Speaker 2: he had a whole... basically kind of like a media

2149
01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:18,559
Speaker 2: thing ready.

2150
01:42:18,580 --> 01:42:20,470
Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with it.

2151
01:42:21,110 --> 01:42:23,750
Speaker 2: Well, it's, it's what it is, is like they were

2152
01:42:23,790 --> 01:42:26,190
Speaker 2: trying to build the case that, that she had enemies

2153
01:42:26,350 --> 01:42:29,010
Speaker 2: all across the nation, that she had, she had conned

2154
01:42:29,150 --> 01:42:31,710
Speaker 2: men all over the place. And there were lots of

2155
01:42:31,770 --> 01:42:34,850
Speaker 2: people that, that were her enemy, not just Robert Blake.

2156
01:42:35,189 --> 01:42:38,370
Speaker 2: So as bad and contentious and horrible and loveless and

2157
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:42,840
Speaker 2: nightmarish as this marriage was that she had just entered into,

2158
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:48,120
Speaker 2: she still, he wasn't, perhaps wasn't the only suspect that

2159
01:42:48,140 --> 01:42:48,960
Speaker 2: should have been looked at.

2160
01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:49,440
Speaker 5: Right, right, right.

2161
01:42:49,460 --> 01:42:49,660
Speaker 1: Okay.

2162
01:42:50,580 --> 01:42:55,280
Speaker 2: Um, uh, she, and they find out that they start

2163
01:42:55,680 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 2: like when they start listening to these phone calls, they

2164
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:01,950
Speaker 2: start finding these old men all around the country that they,

2165
01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:05,769
Speaker 2: they thought she was his, that they thought she was

2166
01:43:05,850 --> 01:43:06,370
Speaker 2: their wife.

2167
01:43:06,630 --> 01:43:11,210
Speaker 1: No, they, um, they thought they were married. They, she

2168
01:43:11,229 --> 01:43:12,950
Speaker 1: was married to lots of people.

2169
01:43:12,970 --> 01:43:16,490
Speaker 2: She got married a lot and she would, uh, take

2170
01:43:16,530 --> 01:43:18,120
Speaker 2: out life insurance policies on them.

2171
01:43:18,280 --> 01:43:20,680
Speaker 1: And she also had them change their will to include

2172
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:22,600
Speaker 1: her in. Stop it. Yeah, that happened. That was a

2173
01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: couple of them.

2174
01:43:23,540 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 2: Now this also, this was in rich and acquitted, but, uh,

2175
01:43:28,380 --> 01:43:30,850
Speaker 2: this also was all the information that the lawyer is

2176
01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:32,830
Speaker 2: just like anybody to listen to it.

2177
01:43:33,229 --> 01:43:34,150
Speaker 1: They'll tell that story.

2178
01:43:34,890 --> 01:43:37,910
Speaker 2: Um, one person theorized that she had been married over

2179
01:43:37,910 --> 01:43:41,490
Speaker 2: 25 times, but the provable amount, she.

2180
01:43:41,330 --> 01:43:45,800
Speaker 1: Was married nine times for sure. Oh my God. Yeah. Um, okay. Okay.

2181
01:43:46,460 --> 01:43:50,100
Speaker 2: So, uh, so at some point, like in the, in

2182
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:55,090
Speaker 2: this process, Robert Blake fires that, uh, initial lawyer and

2183
01:43:55,150 --> 01:43:58,360
Speaker 2: he hires Thomas Mesereau. You've seen him on tons of

2184
01:43:58,430 --> 01:44:03,190
Speaker 2: true crime things. He has strange, like, uh, little Dutch

2185
01:44:03,270 --> 01:44:06,330
Speaker 2: boy hair, uh, but gray.

2186
01:44:06,350 --> 01:44:06,850
Speaker 1: Okay.

2187
01:44:07,010 --> 01:44:09,810
Speaker 2: It makes very little sense. And he's the guy that

2188
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:12,910
Speaker 2: defended Mike Tyson and Michael Jackson. So you've seen him

2189
01:44:12,990 --> 01:44:13,930
Speaker 2: on the news.

2190
01:44:13,950 --> 01:44:14,550
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

2191
01:44:15,380 --> 01:44:18,740
Speaker 2: And and so he hires that guy. Then he hires

2192
01:44:18,820 --> 01:44:22,769
Speaker 2: media consultants to start the story spin and they get

2193
01:44:22,810 --> 01:44:26,870
Speaker 2: him on Barbara Walters. So from jail in his orange

2194
01:44:26,910 --> 01:44:29,900
Speaker 2: jumpsuit with his hair now turned white, he isn't dying

2195
01:44:29,939 --> 01:44:33,100
Speaker 2: his hair black anymore like he had up until that time.

2196
01:44:33,900 --> 01:44:35,120
Speaker 1: That, that was like a big thing.

2197
01:44:35,320 --> 01:44:37,630
Speaker 2: And they say he did it for sympathy or whatever,

2198
01:44:37,710 --> 01:44:40,350
Speaker 2: but from jail, she's like, did you kill your wife?

2199
01:44:40,390 --> 01:44:43,710
Speaker 1: And he's like, no, of course I didn't. He's like,

2200
01:44:43,790 --> 01:44:47,170
Speaker 1: as if he's irritated with Barbara overdoing it a little for.

2201
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:49,639
Speaker 2: Even if there's a, yeah, he's, there's a touch of

2202
01:44:49,950 --> 01:44:52,559
Speaker 2: Lily gilding, but we can't tell if that's just how

2203
01:44:52,600 --> 01:44:55,200
Speaker 2: he is because he's a child actor. He's never had

2204
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:55,860
Speaker 2: a normal life.

2205
01:44:55,900 --> 01:44:56,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2206
01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:02,309
Speaker 2: Like you just, you just don't know. Um, he ends up, Eventually,

2207
01:45:02,370 --> 01:45:04,590
Speaker 2: he ends up going free on a million dollars bail.

2208
01:45:05,450 --> 01:45:09,269
Speaker 1: A million dollars bail? Rich. Rich. Acquitted.

2209
01:45:09,770 --> 01:45:10,050
Speaker 3: Rich.

2210
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:14,550
Speaker 1: And bailed. Is that their theme song? Rich, rich, rich,

2211
01:45:14,689 --> 01:45:17,570
Speaker 1: and acquitted. Okay.

2212
01:45:18,910 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 2: So then the trial starts on December 20th, 2004 at

2213
01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:26,740
Speaker 2: good old fucking Ventura Courthouse.

2214
01:45:26,820 --> 01:45:29,260
Speaker 1: At our spot, Van Nuys. Van Nuys Courthouse. Fuck yeah.

2215
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:31,080
Speaker 1: That's how it all ties back in. Love it.

2216
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:35,700
Speaker 2: Now, now that I'm thinking, I know the pretrial was

2217
01:45:35,740 --> 01:45:37,680
Speaker 2: at the Van Nuys courthouse. I don't know if the

2218
01:45:37,860 --> 01:45:38,940
Speaker 2: actual trial.

2219
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:41,439
Speaker 1: Let's go with it. So.

2220
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:47,380
Speaker 2: There's two different stuntmen who come testify that Robert Blake

2221
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:51,280
Speaker 2: solicited them to kill his wife months before the actual murder.

2222
01:45:51,820 --> 01:45:54,500
Speaker 2: One of them they can prove he talked to on

2223
01:45:54,540 --> 01:45:59,310
Speaker 2: the phone the morning of the murder. But in cross-examination,

2224
01:45:59,470 --> 01:46:04,889
Speaker 2: he gets this. Mesereau ends up resigning from the case,

2225
01:46:04,930 --> 01:46:06,970
Speaker 2: whatever that's called, leaving it.

2226
01:46:06,990 --> 01:46:10,050
Speaker 1: Quitting. Quitting, I guess. Quitting is the word I was

2227
01:46:10,070 --> 01:46:10,490
Speaker 1: looking for.

2228
01:46:10,510 --> 01:46:10,650
Speaker 4: Yes.

2229
01:46:11,840 --> 01:46:16,630
Speaker 1: You're welcome. He leaves. He gets a, Blake gets a

2230
01:46:16,689 --> 01:46:17,330
Speaker 1: third lawyer.

2231
01:46:19,320 --> 01:46:21,559
Speaker 5: Always a bad sign when you have to keep fucking getting...

2232
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 5: Look at Ted Bundy, for example.

2233
01:46:23,020 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 1: It's not good. No. You're not an agreeable individual. They

2234
01:46:26,040 --> 01:46:28,480
Speaker 1: hate you. Yeah, they hate your guts. They can't even... Like,

2235
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:30,509
Speaker 1: they're lawyers and they can't even fucking deal with you.

2236
01:46:30,520 --> 01:46:31,200
Speaker 1: They can't deal.

2237
01:46:31,220 --> 01:46:32,800
Speaker 2: They don't have to be around you that much. And

2238
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:34,580
Speaker 2: they're just like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah,

2239
01:46:34,600 --> 01:46:36,240
Speaker 2: just do what I tell you and everything will be fine.

2240
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:38,690
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. I'm a rock and roll actor.

2241
01:46:38,710 --> 01:46:42,190
Speaker 1: I'm smart, yeah. Okay, so the new.

2242
01:46:43,420 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 2: A lawyer is basically just like, well, I'm just going

2243
01:46:46,260 --> 01:46:49,019
Speaker 2: to eviscerate any of these witnesses who even because there's

2244
01:46:49,060 --> 01:46:52,260
Speaker 2: so little evidence that they have to like. So the

2245
01:46:52,360 --> 01:46:53,930
Speaker 2: two stuntmen that come and.

2246
01:46:53,890 --> 01:46:56,090
Speaker 1: Say, oh, yeah, he asked us to kill his wife.

2247
01:46:57,710 --> 01:46:59,410
Speaker 2: One of them, they pull up a report that he

2248
01:46:59,430 --> 01:47:03,190
Speaker 2: had recently been hospitalized for cocaine psychosis.

2249
01:47:03,610 --> 01:47:06,689
Speaker 1: Oh, no. What's that? It's just like you do so

2250
01:47:06,729 --> 01:47:09,430
Speaker 1: much cocaine, you fucking lose your mind. How much cocaine?

2251
01:47:10,729 --> 01:47:13,820
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd say a night's worth. Maybe two nights worth.

2252
01:47:13,939 --> 01:47:14,260
Speaker 3: All right.

2253
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:17,130
Speaker 1: Interesting. It's like you just, you started and you don't stop.

2254
01:47:17,229 --> 01:47:20,370
Speaker 1: Oh my God. And then you just fucking go berserk. Okay.

2255
01:47:20,530 --> 01:47:21,910
Speaker 1: So that comes out on one guy.

2256
01:47:21,950 --> 01:47:24,070
Speaker 2: So then he just like, cause all of his credibility

2257
01:47:24,110 --> 01:47:26,070
Speaker 2: is done and they basically do the same thing to

2258
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:28,519
Speaker 2: the second guy. They're just like, oh, you're both, you're

2259
01:47:28,540 --> 01:47:31,099
Speaker 2: both these drug addicts. You're both these, you know, whoever

2260
01:47:31,180 --> 01:47:33,200
Speaker 2: you'd say anything for money, you'd say anything.

2261
01:47:33,360 --> 01:47:33,540
Speaker 5: Sure.

2262
01:47:34,060 --> 01:47:35,519
Speaker 1: Um, so yeah.

2263
01:47:36,650 --> 01:47:39,349
Speaker 2: Basically, once they get rid of those two people, there's

2264
01:47:39,530 --> 01:47:44,570
Speaker 2: no real evidence that's usable in court. So the jury

2265
01:47:44,590 --> 01:47:48,760
Speaker 2: deliberates for 12 days on March 16th. 12 days?

2266
01:47:48,760 --> 01:47:50,020
Speaker 1: 2005.

2267
01:47:50,020 --> 01:47:53,020
Speaker 2: Robert Blake was found not guilty of murder and not

2268
01:47:53,100 --> 01:47:55,960
Speaker 2: guilty of one of the two counts of solicitation of murder.

2269
01:47:55,979 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: Straight up not guilty? Not even like?

2270
01:47:58,350 --> 01:47:58,770
Speaker 2: Not guilty.

2271
01:47:59,330 --> 01:47:59,530
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2272
01:47:59,890 --> 01:48:00,410
Speaker 2: Sorry, go on.

2273
01:48:00,610 --> 01:48:01,560
Speaker 1: Not guilty. No, that's fine.

2274
01:48:02,320 --> 01:48:06,559
Speaker 2: Um, the, the other count of solicitation of the, of

2275
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:11,620
Speaker 2: the guy, the cocaine psychosis guy, um, that was dropped

2276
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:14,050
Speaker 2: when it was revealed that the jury was deadlocked 11

2277
01:48:14,050 --> 01:48:16,050
Speaker 2: to 1 in favor of acquittal. So they were going

2278
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:18,470
Speaker 2: to go for it anyway. And they were just basically like,

2279
01:48:18,510 --> 01:48:20,600
Speaker 2: forget that one. And he's just going free.

2280
01:48:21,030 --> 01:48:23,940
Speaker 1: Erase that one off the whiteboard. Yeah. They're just like, oh,

2281
01:48:23,950 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: you're rich. You're acquitted. The Los Angeles, this is from Wikipedia.

2282
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,720
Speaker 2: Los Angeles District Attorney Stephen Cooley called Blake, quote, a

2283
01:48:32,820 --> 01:48:34,000
Speaker 2: miserable human being.

2284
01:48:34,700 --> 01:48:39,640
Speaker 1: And the jurors are, quote, incredibly stupid. Yeah. To fall

2285
01:48:39,680 --> 01:48:40,939
Speaker 1: for the defense's claims.

2286
01:48:41,300 --> 01:48:44,340
Speaker 2: There's one woman in this special Rich and Acquitted where

2287
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 2: she goes, of course I believe that Mr. Blake would

2288
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 2: left his gun inside a restaurant. Haven't we all left

2289
01:48:51,260 --> 01:48:53,840
Speaker 2: things inside restaurants at one time or another?

2290
01:48:53,860 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 5: Stop it.

2291
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:58,020
Speaker 1: It's just like, lady, it's a fucking gun. Oh my God.

2292
01:48:58,280 --> 01:49:02,099
Speaker 1: It's not your lipstick. It's not your fucking retainer that

2293
01:49:02,120 --> 01:49:05,830
Speaker 1: you put in the cloth napkin. Ugh. Cost your parents $ 300.

2294
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:11,280
Speaker 1: They were so pissed. In Mimi's Cafe in Irvine. So basically,

2295
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:15,280
Speaker 1: the public consensus was that he hired someone to kill

2296
01:49:15,320 --> 01:49:19,620
Speaker 1: his wife, and it's just unprovable. But there were lots

2297
01:49:19,660 --> 01:49:22,320
Speaker 1: of character witnesses that were like, no, he's the best,

2298
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:25,860
Speaker 1: and he would never do that. And of course, there

2299
01:49:25,900 --> 01:49:29,950
Speaker 1: was no evidence. Okay, go on. On the night of

2300
01:49:29,990 --> 01:49:36,309
Speaker 1: his acquittal, several fans celebrated at Patello's. And Karen Kilgariff

2301
01:49:36,350 --> 01:49:38,429
Speaker 1: was one of them. And I was up there singing

2302
01:49:38,570 --> 01:49:44,780
Speaker 1: opera just like this. On November 18th, 2005. That's not opera.

2303
01:49:45,100 --> 01:49:48,400
Speaker 1: It's not? What? Yes, it is. That was Verity.

2304
01:49:48,420 --> 01:49:55,050
Speaker 2: I love opera. Everything's straight out your nose in opera.

2305
01:49:55,100 --> 01:49:56,689
Speaker 2: This is the Barber of Seville.

2306
01:49:56,729 --> 01:49:59,250
Speaker 1: But if you're singing about opera, it's opera. Yes. You

2307
01:49:59,270 --> 01:50:01,530
Speaker 1: don't have to sing opera. That's right. This is a

2308
01:50:01,590 --> 01:50:05,070
Speaker 1: musical about singing opera. There's no actual opera in it.

2309
01:50:05,090 --> 01:50:09,070
Speaker 1: I'm out here and I'm wearing a Viking hat. More nasal.

2310
01:50:09,090 --> 01:50:10,980
Speaker 1: Nasal or your, please. A Viking hat.

2311
01:50:12,510 --> 01:50:17,010
Speaker 2: Um, guys, on November 18th, 2005, Robert Blake was found

2312
01:50:17,050 --> 01:50:19,189
Speaker 2: liable in a California.

2313
01:50:18,710 --> 01:50:21,710
Speaker 1: Civil court for her wrongful death. Civil court will always

2314
01:50:21,810 --> 01:50:23,190
Speaker 1: fucking come at you.

2315
01:50:23,229 --> 01:50:25,030
Speaker 2: They'll come back and they'll be like, hey, we see

2316
01:50:25,070 --> 01:50:26,839
Speaker 2: things a little bit different.

2317
01:50:26,860 --> 01:50:28,920
Speaker 1: We forgot to talk about the fucking OJ Simpson. No,

2318
01:50:29,180 --> 01:50:35,170
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it next time. Go on. Okay. Um, so... Sorry. No, no,

2319
01:50:35,189 --> 01:50:35,530
Speaker 1: that's fine.

2320
01:50:35,770 --> 01:50:38,130
Speaker 2: So since that time he had to file for bankruptcy,

2321
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:43,030
Speaker 2: he's in $ 3 million in debt, unpaid legal fees, as

2322
01:50:43,070 --> 01:50:48,099
Speaker 2: well as state and federal taxes. He said that he

2323
01:50:48,140 --> 01:50:51,219
Speaker 2: might return to acting because he has such financial problems now.

2324
01:50:51,380 --> 01:50:54,170
Speaker 1: Acting's like, we're good, bro. Yeah, we're like, we got

2325
01:50:54,590 --> 01:50:55,290
Speaker 1: it covered, Beretta.

2326
01:50:55,310 --> 01:50:55,390
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2327
01:50:56,340 --> 01:50:58,360
Speaker 1: We're going to hire the parrot instead.

2328
01:50:59,939 --> 01:51:03,020
Speaker 2: In 2010, the state of California filed a tax lien

2329
01:51:03,060 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 2: against Blake for.

2330
01:51:03,979 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 5: $ 1, 100, 000.

2331
01:51:04,010 --> 01:51:05,179
Speaker 1: $ 1, 110, 000 in unpaid back taxes.

2332
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:05,280
Speaker 3: Ouch.

2333
01:51:05,300 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 2: It hurts.

2334
01:51:05,660 --> 01:51:07,930
Speaker 1: Now, this is a very famous interview. He went on

2335
01:51:07,950 --> 01:51:09,349
Speaker 1: July 16, 2012. He went on Piers Morgan.

2336
01:51:22,939 --> 01:51:26,160
Speaker 2: And he's wearing a sleeveless cowboy shirt and a cow

2337
01:51:26,360 --> 01:51:28,380
Speaker 2: black cowboy shirt and then a cowboy hat.

2338
01:51:28,439 --> 01:51:29,080
Speaker 1: No, no, don't do that.

2339
01:51:29,140 --> 01:51:32,939
Speaker 2: And he is so crazy. You have to look it

2340
01:51:32,979 --> 01:51:36,059
Speaker 2: up on YouTube. It's an experience to have. And he

2341
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:39,220
Speaker 2: just starts attacking Pierce Morgan for asking him any questions

2342
01:51:39,260 --> 01:51:41,849
Speaker 2: at all. And Pierce Morgan's like, yeah, but this is

2343
01:51:41,900 --> 01:51:44,550
Speaker 2: what we came here for is like the interview. And

2344
01:51:44,650 --> 01:51:47,670
Speaker 2: he snaps and is super fucking crazy.

2345
01:51:47,710 --> 01:51:48,689
Speaker 1: I want to watch it.

2346
01:51:49,130 --> 01:51:51,950
Speaker 2: You have to watch it. Uh, It's it's a it's

2347
01:51:51,990 --> 01:51:57,940
Speaker 2: pretty legendary. He told the people that were writing.

2348
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:01,200
Speaker 1: His autobiography that he hoped for one last great film role.

2349
01:52:01,760 --> 01:52:05,580
Speaker 2: But the but he was in Lost Highway, the David

2350
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:10,599
Speaker 2: Lynch movie in 1997 and that. To date is his.

2351
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:12,060
Speaker 1: Last acting role. Wow.

2352
01:52:12,380 --> 01:52:15,300
Speaker 2: Um, in a March 2016, this is the, this is

2353
01:52:15,420 --> 01:52:19,020
Speaker 2: one of the saddest endings, not saddest, but like one

2354
01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:22,019
Speaker 2: of the most like, Oh, endings of any of the

2355
01:52:22,040 --> 01:52:27,140
Speaker 2: murders that I've done in 2016, March, 2016, he told

2356
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:29,469
Speaker 2: a reporter that he had a private nurse and that

2357
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:33,849
Speaker 2: he was suffering, suffering from incontinence. And that my friend

2358
01:52:33,870 --> 01:52:40,040
Speaker 2: is the, is this sad ending. Um, of the murder

2359
01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:40,940
Speaker 2: of Bonnie Lee Bakley.

2360
01:52:41,160 --> 01:52:42,710
Speaker 1: Oh my God.

2361
01:52:42,890 --> 01:52:48,070
Speaker 2: And the rich acquitted experience of actor Robert Blake.

2362
01:52:48,330 --> 01:52:53,240
Speaker 1: That's right. Now he's 85. He's still alive. He's still alive.

2363
01:52:53,260 --> 01:52:57,610
Speaker 1: I think he remarried for a third time. Someone married

2364
01:52:57,650 --> 01:53:00,930
Speaker 1: him again? Of course. It's the fucking, this is a

2365
01:53:00,970 --> 01:53:02,980
Speaker 1: town full of people who want their own billboard.

2366
01:53:02,990 --> 01:53:03,110
Speaker 5: Jesus.

2367
01:53:03,140 --> 01:53:06,210
Speaker 1: They'll do anything. Also, how can he get to be 85?

2368
01:53:06,200 --> 01:53:11,360
Speaker 5: But fucking Stephen Hawking is what? Was he like 73?

2369
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:15,150
Speaker 1: Look. Such bullshit. I wish I could explain God's work.

2370
01:53:15,850 --> 01:53:17,689
Speaker 1: I wish you could too. But it's a mystery. Yeah.

2371
01:53:18,970 --> 01:53:20,549
Speaker 1: This is just how he does it.

2372
01:53:20,750 --> 01:53:23,180
Speaker 5: Next time we have to talk about the OJ, if

2373
01:53:23,260 --> 01:53:24,660
Speaker 5: I did it, that they finally.

2374
01:53:25,200 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. That was amazing. That was... Oh, no, no.

2375
01:53:28,260 --> 01:53:30,500
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Thank you. That was so.

2376
01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:33,460
Speaker 5: I don't want to call it fun, but it was

2377
01:53:33,500 --> 01:53:35,820
Speaker 5: a wild ride. You know who he's always reminded me

2378
01:53:35,920 --> 01:53:41,099
Speaker 5: of is the dude, the dad from The Staircase. Like.

2379
01:53:41,729 --> 01:53:43,880
Speaker 1: Just creepy in that way. Yes. Whatever.

2380
01:53:44,120 --> 01:53:47,120
Speaker 2: There's definitely an energy about him that you're, but, but

2381
01:53:47,180 --> 01:53:47,760
Speaker 2: you can't tell.

2382
01:53:48,240 --> 01:53:50,990
Speaker 1: Actors are so creepy. They're so creepy. That it's like,

2383
01:53:51,650 --> 01:53:54,389
Speaker 1: it's the, yeah. It's like, who are, is this the

2384
01:53:54,410 --> 01:53:57,439
Speaker 1: real you or is there another real you? Are you acting? Yeah.

2385
01:53:57,479 --> 01:53:59,740
Speaker 1: Do you ever know how to not be acting?

2386
01:53:59,979 --> 01:54:00,160
Speaker 5: Right.

2387
01:54:00,979 --> 01:54:03,809
Speaker 2: And you just think feelings are weird masks to put

2388
01:54:03,890 --> 01:54:05,150
Speaker 2: on so you can manipulate people.

2389
01:54:05,170 --> 01:54:08,710
Speaker 1: Right. Like instead of actually having a real time experience.

2390
01:54:08,750 --> 01:54:12,390
Speaker 1: It's like, here's how feelings look like and sound like. Oh, Italy.

2391
01:54:12,530 --> 01:54:18,250
Speaker 1: I love this place. My gun. Abundanza, everybody. Pizza for one.

2392
01:54:19,310 --> 01:54:19,930
Speaker 1: Type of shit.

2393
01:54:22,600 --> 01:54:25,420
Speaker 5: Nick got a ringtone immediately. Steven, turn that into a

2394
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:26,979
Speaker 5: fucking ringtone. Um.

2395
01:54:27,939 --> 01:54:31,259
Speaker 1: But you're talking about, so there was the OJ Simpson,

2396
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:34,320
Speaker 1: like an If I Did It special? Right. It got

2397
01:54:34,580 --> 01:54:35,540
Speaker 1: filmed in like 2006.

2398
01:54:35,540 --> 01:54:39,170
Speaker 5: And there was like a fucking public outcry. And everyone

2399
01:54:39,190 --> 01:54:41,790
Speaker 5: was like, don't put it out. But so they finally did.

2400
01:54:41,810 --> 01:54:44,090
Speaker 5: You'll have to watch it and we'll talk about it

2401
01:54:44,130 --> 01:54:44,470
Speaker 5: next week.

2402
01:54:44,630 --> 01:54:48,330
Speaker 1: Okay, great. It's fucked up. He did it. Yeah. And

2403
01:54:48,370 --> 01:54:50,930
Speaker 1: he admits to it in this fucking show. Whoa. It's

2404
01:54:51,030 --> 01:54:51,430
Speaker 1: fucked up.

2405
01:54:51,550 --> 01:54:51,770
Speaker 4: Okay.

2406
01:54:52,140 --> 01:54:57,740
Speaker 1: So... two women who were one of us.

2407
01:54:57,820 --> 01:55:03,180
Speaker 5: They were murderinos. They were lovely women. And they were

2408
01:55:03,300 --> 01:55:04,220
Speaker 5: murdered this week.

2409
01:55:05,420 --> 01:55:08,580
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of the most awful things. We've

2410
01:55:08,760 --> 01:55:10,960
Speaker 2: been contacted and had a bunch of people tell us

2411
01:55:11,000 --> 01:55:12,860
Speaker 2: about this. But Steven, just so you guys know, and

2412
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,980
Speaker 2: I think sometimes people aren't aware of this, like, Steven

2413
01:55:16,050 --> 01:55:18,890
Speaker 2: is so good about he's on those message boards with

2414
01:55:18,930 --> 01:55:21,370
Speaker 2: you guys. And he knows what everyone's doing. He reads

2415
01:55:21,410 --> 01:55:24,710
Speaker 2: all those emails. So like he lets us know especially

2416
01:55:24,750 --> 01:55:27,370
Speaker 2: when something this horrible happens.

2417
01:55:27,750 --> 01:55:33,330
Speaker 1: And so we found out that it was on Tuesday.

2418
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:37,810
Speaker 1: When was Monday? When was Tuesday? We found out this morning. Yeah.

2419
01:55:38,090 --> 01:55:42,470
Speaker 2: That two different murderinos in Seattle were murdered.

2420
01:55:42,510 --> 01:55:48,540
Speaker 1: Separately. So Lita Burns and Samantha Field were. We're both murdered.

2421
01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 5: If you go to the My Favorite Murder Facebook page,

2422
01:55:51,480 --> 01:55:53,500
Speaker 5: there's more information. We actually don't know a lot of

2423
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:58,770
Speaker 5: information ourselves, but we just wanted to acknowledge them. And

2424
01:55:59,190 --> 01:56:02,170
Speaker 5: we're so heartbroken over it. And not just because, you know,

2425
01:56:02,210 --> 01:56:06,050
Speaker 5: they're listening to the podcast, obviously, but because it's just

2426
01:56:06,090 --> 01:56:08,990
Speaker 5: really heartbreaking. And we feel like they're friends of ours.

2427
01:56:09,090 --> 01:56:12,410
Speaker 5: And it just feels really, it feels like we're this

2428
01:56:12,490 --> 01:56:15,570
Speaker 5: club and we've lost everything. two members and it feels

2429
01:56:15,590 --> 01:56:16,430
Speaker 5: horrible and in.

2430
01:56:16,450 --> 01:56:20,270
Speaker 2: Such a and such a terrible way like just we're

2431
01:56:20,310 --> 01:56:22,970
Speaker 2: thinking about you guys because they were your friends and

2432
01:56:23,150 --> 01:56:25,810
Speaker 2: you know this is this is your guys community that

2433
01:56:25,830 --> 01:56:29,000
Speaker 2: you're building and so you're all connected and the idea

2434
01:56:29,040 --> 01:56:30,980
Speaker 2: that something like that would happen to you in your

2435
01:56:31,040 --> 01:56:34,400
Speaker 2: community is just heartbreaking so we're thinking about you and

2436
01:56:34,660 --> 01:56:36,740
Speaker 2: and we're so sorry and we're so sorry to the

2437
01:56:36,780 --> 01:56:41,820
Speaker 2: families and you know hopefully there'll be quick uh Like

2438
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:45,660
Speaker 2: for the one that is right now, they don't know

2439
01:56:45,740 --> 01:56:49,880
Speaker 2: as much information. Hopefully that case will be solved quickly.

2440
01:56:50,060 --> 01:56:52,970
Speaker 2: The other one is just an incredible tragedy. I mean,

2441
01:56:52,980 --> 01:56:55,470
Speaker 2: they both are, but yeah, there's just so much loss

2442
01:56:55,630 --> 01:56:56,810
Speaker 2: and we're so sorry.

2443
01:57:01,070 --> 01:57:03,750
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back here. And any updates? Just a couple.

2444
01:57:04,150 --> 01:57:07,270
Speaker 2: Of course, Quentin Tarantino's novelization of the film Once Upon

2445
01:57:07,310 --> 01:57:10,210
Speaker 2: a Time in Hollywood is That movie was dedicated to

2446
01:57:10,290 --> 01:57:10,970
Speaker 2: Robert Blake.

2447
01:57:11,470 --> 01:57:13,410
Speaker 1: And in the.

2448
01:57:13,370 --> 01:57:17,110
Speaker 2: Movie, Brad Pitt's character is accused of murdering his wife,

2449
01:57:17,470 --> 01:57:21,710
Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting. Robert Blake did die of

2450
01:57:21,750 --> 01:57:25,310
Speaker 2: heart disease on March 9th, 2023. He was 89 years old.

2451
01:57:26,310 --> 01:57:30,270
Speaker 2: And Rose Lenore Blake is in her late 20s and

2452
01:57:30,350 --> 01:57:31,420
Speaker 2: lives a quiet life now.

2453
01:57:31,660 --> 01:57:34,400
Speaker 1: All right, let's head back in for Good Things of

2454
01:57:34,460 --> 01:57:42,210
Speaker 1: the Week. Uh, okay.

2455
01:57:42,230 --> 01:57:44,570
Speaker 5: So my positive thing this week, and I just want

2456
01:57:44,590 --> 01:57:48,920
Speaker 5: to give this shout out to this, this movie that

2457
01:57:48,980 --> 01:57:51,040
Speaker 5: I can put on in the background and Vince and

2458
01:57:51,060 --> 01:57:52,980
Speaker 5: I put it on at night when we get home

2459
01:57:53,220 --> 01:57:55,360
Speaker 5: from going out and we just want to watch something

2460
01:57:55,420 --> 01:57:57,180
Speaker 5: and it's just, you could start it at any point

2461
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,540
Speaker 5: and it just makes me so happy. It's called Los

2462
01:57:59,620 --> 01:58:00,690
Speaker 5: Angeles Plays Itself.

2463
01:58:01,320 --> 01:58:03,770
Speaker 1: Oh. Have you seen it? No. It's so good.

2464
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:07,250
Speaker 5: It's a documentary about Los Angeles in the movies.

2465
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:08,150
Speaker 1: Oh.

2466
01:58:08,570 --> 01:58:10,940
Speaker 5: And it shows all the overtones. old school movies and

2467
01:58:11,300 --> 01:58:14,190
Speaker 5: all the places and things in Los Angeles in the background,

2468
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:17,030
Speaker 5: like Rebel Without a Cause, all these places. And it's

2469
01:58:17,070 --> 01:58:21,230
Speaker 5: just this really lovely, lovely thing to put on as

2470
01:58:21,270 --> 01:58:22,190
Speaker 5: a nice distraction.

2471
01:58:22,230 --> 01:58:24,460
Speaker 1: And you can Just watch it and enjoy yourself. I

2472
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:27,140
Speaker 1: would love to see that. It's so good. It's really funny.

2473
01:58:28,260 --> 01:58:31,080
Speaker 2: After all the shit we've been saying, that's like the

2474
01:58:31,140 --> 01:58:32,120
Speaker 2: perfect thing to say.

2475
01:58:32,140 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what? But it actually is really pretty.

2476
01:58:34,860 --> 01:58:37,710
Speaker 1: The Los Angeles thing itself. Yeah. I thought Beretta's on there.

2477
01:58:37,730 --> 01:58:41,630
Speaker 1: I mean, there's, I think he was in New York. Well,

2478
01:58:41,690 --> 01:58:43,490
Speaker 1: never mind. Well, that's what they show that too.

2479
01:58:43,570 --> 01:58:45,410
Speaker 5: It's like they say this is New York, but here's

2480
01:58:45,450 --> 01:58:48,570
Speaker 5: Los Angeles downtown. I think the Orpheum's in there as well.

2481
01:58:48,710 --> 01:58:49,190
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right.

2482
01:58:49,210 --> 01:58:51,610
Speaker 5: They show downtown LA and what it's pretending to be

2483
01:58:51,690 --> 01:58:53,650
Speaker 5: or when they're, you know, to live and die in

2484
01:58:53,770 --> 01:58:54,250
Speaker 5: LA and.

2485
01:58:54,210 --> 01:58:56,180
Speaker 1: What parts of LA it is. And it's narrated by

2486
01:58:56,190 --> 01:58:59,700
Speaker 1: this guy who's got like the most soothing, lovely, monotone voice. Oh.

2487
01:58:59,720 --> 01:59:03,020
Speaker 1: It's such a good fucking, it's such a good... It's

2488
01:59:03,060 --> 01:59:06,140
Speaker 1: just like a good living creature that I really like. Amazing.

2489
01:59:06,160 --> 01:59:06,320
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2490
01:59:06,640 --> 01:59:07,000
Speaker 1: I love it.

2491
01:59:07,020 --> 01:59:08,420
Speaker 2: I love to live and die in LA is a

2492
01:59:08,460 --> 01:59:10,810
Speaker 2: good movie. Well, mine's also kind of on the same.

2493
01:59:11,610 --> 01:59:13,050
Speaker 2: It was making me laugh. There were people that were

2494
01:59:13,070 --> 01:59:16,110
Speaker 2: giving us suggestions for what this segment should be called.

2495
01:59:16,990 --> 01:59:20,600
Speaker 2: And it was making me laugh. People had some hilarious suggestions.

2496
01:59:21,560 --> 01:59:22,960
Speaker 2: But we should think of an actual.

2497
01:59:22,780 --> 01:59:24,600
Speaker 1: Name for it. Yeah.

2498
01:59:25,120 --> 01:59:28,610
Speaker 2: Because people were trying to do puns, of course, which, God. God,

2499
01:59:28,650 --> 01:59:32,600
Speaker 2: people love puns. But I don't think we have it yet.

2500
01:59:33,220 --> 01:59:35,080
Speaker 2: Unless you can think of one while I say this one.

2501
01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:35,460
Speaker 1: Okay.

2502
01:59:35,780 --> 01:59:40,440
Speaker 2: I just, last night I watched my, we all got

2503
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:42,640
Speaker 2: to write two episodes on baskets this season.

2504
01:59:42,700 --> 01:59:45,400
Speaker 1: And my second one was on last night. Oh my God.

2505
01:59:45,720 --> 01:59:50,220
Speaker 2: And it made me laugh. Now, look, I mean, part

2506
01:59:50,260 --> 01:59:53,310
Speaker 2: of the reason it makes me laugh is because Zach

2507
01:59:53,430 --> 01:59:56,940
Speaker 2: and Martha and Louie They riff so much.

2508
01:59:57,240 --> 02:00:00,000
Speaker 1: So we get credit for stuff that we did not write.

2509
02:00:00,020 --> 02:00:01,360
Speaker 1: And it's awesome.

2510
02:00:01,420 --> 02:00:05,030
Speaker 2: I mean, like watching Zach riff and knowing that the

2511
02:00:05,070 --> 02:00:07,810
Speaker 2: things like he just he just writes the best joke.

2512
02:00:07,830 --> 02:00:10,390
Speaker 1: So I remember when I can't remember what the actual

2513
02:00:10,410 --> 02:00:14,920
Speaker 1: joke is supposed to be, but. Christine Baskets says to Chip, she's.

2514
02:00:14,740 --> 02:00:18,000
Speaker 2: Like, Chip, it's not a competition. And he goes, yes,

2515
02:00:18,060 --> 02:00:21,340
Speaker 2: it is, mother. Everything is. And it made me laugh

2516
02:00:21,380 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 2: so hard. And that was totally Zach's joke. But there

2517
02:00:24,440 --> 02:00:26,660
Speaker 2: were things in it that were.

2518
02:00:27,790 --> 02:00:30,150
Speaker 1: Um, so fun to, to make up.

2519
02:00:30,370 --> 02:00:33,100
Speaker 2: And I remember when I was making them up thinking,

2520
02:00:33,120 --> 02:00:36,080
Speaker 2: I think this is going to work like having that

2521
02:00:36,180 --> 02:00:39,340
Speaker 2: feeling and it, but it's so hard to believe in

2522
02:00:39,400 --> 02:00:41,880
Speaker 2: that when you're just making something up and writing it

2523
02:00:41,940 --> 02:00:45,190
Speaker 2: on a page. And, you know, of course I always

2524
02:00:45,230 --> 02:00:47,130
Speaker 2: talk about how much I love Jonathan Kreisel is my

2525
02:00:47,150 --> 02:00:49,510
Speaker 2: boss on that show and the director and the visionary

2526
02:00:49,550 --> 02:00:51,490
Speaker 2: of that show and the one that makes it work.

2527
02:00:52,030 --> 02:00:54,130
Speaker 2: It's his doing, but he was like, no, no, no,

2528
02:00:54,170 --> 02:00:56,790
Speaker 2: this is exactly how it should be. And this ending

2529
02:00:56,870 --> 02:00:59,270
Speaker 2: scene where they're all in this Halloween store, having a

2530
02:00:59,330 --> 02:01:02,590
Speaker 2: fight as a family is just like, I was laughing

2531
02:01:02,610 --> 02:01:05,530
Speaker 2: at my own writing, which usually anything I watch of

2532
02:01:05,590 --> 02:01:08,370
Speaker 2: my own gives me great pain. It gives me lots

2533
02:01:08,410 --> 02:01:11,570
Speaker 2: of like retroactive shame and regret. And I should have

2534
02:01:11,600 --> 02:01:13,530
Speaker 2: done this better. And I should have done this. And

2535
02:01:13,570 --> 02:01:15,560
Speaker 2: I just purely enjoyed myself.

2536
02:01:15,680 --> 02:01:17,480
Speaker 1: I love that. It was really fun.

2537
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:20,300
Speaker 2: And I don't know, those guys are just, we get,

2538
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:23,100
Speaker 2: it's just the coolest thing to be a part of.

2539
02:01:23,630 --> 02:01:26,970
Speaker 1: So that was exciting. That's awesome. Yeah. I love that. Wait,

2540
02:01:27,130 --> 02:01:30,850
Speaker 1: I know what we'll call it. Bragging corner. How's that?

2541
02:01:30,910 --> 02:01:39,800
Speaker 1: How about the positive place? Positive vibes. Positive vibes. Something

2542
02:01:39,860 --> 02:01:47,300
Speaker 1: about party vibes. Party vibes. Yep. My favorite party vibes. Yeah. Hashtag.

2543
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:50,580
Speaker 1: I think party vibes. What do you think? This gives

2544
02:01:50,620 --> 02:01:51,840
Speaker 1: me party vibes? Yeah.

2545
02:01:52,740 --> 02:01:52,970
Speaker 5: I mean.

2546
02:01:53,690 --> 02:01:55,570
Speaker 2: I'm going to be sarcastic every time I say it

2547
02:01:55,630 --> 02:01:56,470
Speaker 2: if it's party vibes.

2548
02:01:56,550 --> 02:01:57,610
Speaker 1: Well, because it's stupid.

2549
02:01:57,990 --> 02:01:58,150
Speaker 5: Right.

2550
02:01:58,180 --> 02:02:01,480
Speaker 1: Like, I mean it as a joke. No, no, I know. No.

2551
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:05,140
Speaker 1: I mean, I like party vibes. No, we'll keep, let's

2552
02:02:05,180 --> 02:02:08,020
Speaker 1: keep workshopping that. You know what? Let's put a pin

2553
02:02:08,060 --> 02:02:11,640
Speaker 1: in it and let's fucking workshop it. Let's do party

2554
02:02:11,680 --> 02:02:13,930
Speaker 1: vibes is best of right now. There's all these people

2555
02:02:13,950 --> 02:02:16,010
Speaker 1: that are like, I tweeted something better on Twitter. Yeah,

2556
02:02:16,050 --> 02:02:19,110
Speaker 1: you did. You're right. No, you're absolutely right about your

2557
02:02:19,150 --> 02:02:23,380
Speaker 1: own ideas. Yeah. Don't ever listen to anybody else's outside influence.

2558
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:25,680
Speaker 1: Don't bother. Party Vibes is what it is until we

2559
02:02:25,700 --> 02:02:27,790
Speaker 1: think of a better idea. Okay, and we'll get there.

2560
02:02:27,810 --> 02:02:34,390
Speaker 1: That's the one to beat. Yeah. Okay, we're back.

2561
02:02:34,650 --> 02:02:39,280
Speaker 2: So this episode was originally entitled... I love it.

2562
02:02:39,420 --> 02:02:40,600
Speaker 1: Galore, galore.

2563
02:02:40,720 --> 02:02:43,680
Speaker 2: What I love is that it's such a weird word

2564
02:02:43,740 --> 02:02:44,800
Speaker 2: and I used it twice.

2565
02:02:44,860 --> 02:02:47,100
Speaker 1: And then you're just like, why are you using it?

2566
02:02:47,470 --> 02:02:49,790
Speaker 3: Galore all the time but i like that it's the

2567
02:02:49,830 --> 02:02:51,720
Speaker 3: word galore galore like.

2568
02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,680
Speaker 1: It's galore galore it's so good.

2569
02:02:54,380 --> 02:02:58,440
Speaker 3: So bad but if we were naming it today maybe

2570
02:02:58,460 --> 02:03:01,260
Speaker 3: naming it something else maybe we would call it the

2571
02:03:01,300 --> 02:03:03,660
Speaker 3: furthest darkest space of course.

2572
02:03:04,280 --> 02:03:07,530
Speaker 1: That's good don't embarrass me oh.

2573
02:03:07,490 --> 02:03:09,730
Speaker 3: The altar of doubt i mean i still think about

2574
02:03:09,770 --> 02:03:10,730
Speaker 3: that all the time.

2575
02:03:10,770 --> 02:03:14,150
Speaker 2: Altar of doubt that's right also the british toby Because

2576
02:03:14,210 --> 02:03:16,970
Speaker 2: Toby Jones is always relevant on this show and in

2577
02:03:17,030 --> 02:03:17,550
Speaker 2: our lives.

2578
02:03:18,490 --> 02:03:23,530
Speaker 1: And then, of course, hire the parrot instead. Just wisdom

2579
02:03:23,670 --> 02:03:25,150
Speaker 1: from this show. Truly.

2580
02:03:25,430 --> 02:03:29,960
Speaker 2: Look, the benefit of us just talking without thinking is that,

2581
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:32,500
Speaker 2: you know, that's how a lot of good podcasting is made.

2582
02:03:32,520 --> 02:03:33,880
Speaker 1: Right.

2583
02:03:34,240 --> 02:03:36,100
Speaker 3: You don't realize the shit you say until you get

2584
02:03:36,200 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 3: the titles read back to you at the end of

2585
02:03:38,220 --> 02:03:38,900
Speaker 3: the episode.

2586
02:03:38,920 --> 02:03:41,060
Speaker 1: And you're like, I said that? What? How are we?

2587
02:03:41,590 --> 02:03:45,290
Speaker 2: Doing this for this long it makes no sense but

2588
02:03:45,330 --> 02:03:46,490
Speaker 2: it's very fun.

2589
02:03:46,270 --> 02:03:49,270
Speaker 3: Right and in the meantime let's go back to 2018

2590
02:03:49,270 --> 02:03:50,710
Speaker 3: to say goodbye from there.

2591
02:03:54,050 --> 02:03:59,190
Speaker 5: Gosh thanks for listening we we love this community And

2592
02:03:59,250 --> 02:04:02,720
Speaker 5: we love being part of it. And we're so fucking grateful.

2593
02:04:02,740 --> 02:04:05,980
Speaker 1: Yeah, we really are. For you guys listening and for

2594
02:04:06,020 --> 02:04:07,240
Speaker 1: what's happened to our life.

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Speaker 5: We don't talk about it because, like we said, we're

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Speaker 5: fucking terrified that it's going to all fall apart the

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Speaker 5: minute we acknowledge it.

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Speaker 1: And we say it at live shows. We don't really

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Speaker 1: say it on recorded episodes. That's true. How insanely incredible.

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Speaker 5: I don't I want to say my life has become

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Speaker 5: because of this podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 5: In a way that I think I fell through a

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Speaker 5: wormhole when I was a kid and ended up here

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Speaker 5: because there's just no way that this is real.

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Speaker 1: It's so true. It's so funny to say that because

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Speaker 1: I was today was my therapy today. Therapy day.

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Speaker 2: Uh, so where, which is when I get especially.

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Speaker 1: Like raw and kind of like, what am I saying?

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Speaker 2: Uh, but I did have a moment where I told

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Speaker 2: my therapist, it really does feel like everything has come together.

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Speaker 2: It's like, it's that feeling like at the end of

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Speaker 2: a prayer for Owen Meany, where all of a sudden

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Speaker 2: he understands why he was doing that trick shot with

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Speaker 2: his friend the whole time. Cause then they're in the

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Speaker 2: war together or whatever. It had that feeling of like,

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Speaker 2: the stuff that we, you and I have been doing

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Speaker 2: lately where I'm like, Oh, I got it. I've been

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Speaker 2: trained for this. I kind of know what I'm doing here.

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Speaker 2: And it finally makes sense.

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's thank, what we're saying is thank you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: guys for listening. Thanks for being a part of it. It's,

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Speaker 2: we're having the best time. We're glad you guys are

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Speaker 2: having the best time. Fucking hooray. We're so grateful.

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Speaker 1: And, and stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Bye. Bye. Elvis,

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Speaker 1: want a cookie? Oh, yeah. You want a cookie? Good boy.

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Speaker 1: You want a cookie? You got it. I know, but

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Speaker 1: I think there's more. There's a better one. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Just keep saying it. I'm such a stage mom.