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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly Jongfast, and this is Fast Politics, where

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Speaker 1: we discuss the top political headlines with some of today's

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Speaker 1: best minds. And 106 lawmakers have signed a petition to

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Speaker 1: release more of the Epstein files. We have such a

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Speaker 1: great show for you today. Psychopolitics' Owen George Conway stops

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Speaker 1: by to talk Trump's delusional idea to put himself on

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Speaker 1: the ballot in the midterms. Then we'll talk to Indivisible's

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Speaker 1: Ezra Levin about their next rally, No Kings Vote Early.

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Speaker 1: But first, the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molly, are you shocked that Corey Lewandowski is running

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Speaker 2: around making side deals and trying to do something that

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Speaker 2: is not by the books?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was reporting today in The Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 1: It is the world's most unsurprising reporting ever. And it

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Speaker 1: is one of these things where it just was the

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Speaker 1: kind of thing you sort of suspected was happening. And

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Speaker 1: it's sort of amazing because clearly what happened was this

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Speaker 1: is what the reporting says. And if you, like, look

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Speaker 1: at this story, why it's important to look at stories

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Speaker 1: like this is because you kind of know who's talking

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Speaker 1: to the journalists here.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 1: Basically, Corey Lewandowski went to the Qataris and he had

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Speaker 1: a proposal, okay? And then he went to the UAE

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Speaker 1: and he had a proposal. And both of the proposals

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Speaker 1: were like, I'm going to help you. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: help you back channel through Homeland Security. Now, I want

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Speaker 1: to read you a line that really stuck out to

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Speaker 1: me in this Wall Street Journal reporting. Some of the

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Speaker 1: foreigners were taken aback and confused as to why they

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Speaker 1: would need Lewandowski's help when they already had a traditional

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Speaker 1: relationship with top administration officials. And again, this is the

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Speaker 1: fundamental problem that this administration has.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Which is they want to go from normal democracy to

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Speaker 1: banana republic. And you can't just do that.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: These people are like, we're used to dealing with America

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Speaker 1: like a normal country. And Corey's like, no, no, you

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Speaker 1: don't understand. This is mob wives like this administration.

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Speaker 2: Is mob wives.

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Speaker 1: And so what we have here is a very, very important.

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Speaker 1: very much what you thought you were going to see,

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Speaker 1: which is Corey Lewandowski trying to make deals with different

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Speaker 1: countries and the countries basically turning around and being like,

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Speaker 1: what the fuck? And so my sense when I read

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Speaker 1: this story was that there's more here that we're going

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Speaker 1: to see. and that there were things that they couldn't

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Speaker 1: get past lawyers yet that are coming. And my guess

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Speaker 1: is that there's in this story, there's another character whose

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Speaker 1: name is Whitehouse, and he brings Whitehouse with him to

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Speaker 1: different things. And my guess is there's more to this

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Speaker 1: story because in this story, There's part of it is

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Speaker 1: about how Lewandowski tries to get them to buy these

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Speaker 1: two icebreakers. I bet you this is the first of many, many,

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Speaker 1: many Lewandowski stories. And my guess is that this is

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Speaker 1: not going to end well for anyone involved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Was that your take when you read it?

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Speaker 2: My big take is when people like this go, oh,

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Speaker 2: this is too much. It's really telling you how far

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Speaker 2: you cross the line. Yeah, like when they revised this

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Speaker 2: deal downwards and like it's it's a mess.

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Speaker 1: The fact that this is coming out now and there's no,

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Speaker 1: you know, oversight hasn't taken the gavel. Like this is

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Speaker 1: already out there and the Bahrain is involved. The Bahraini

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Speaker 2: Well, in other news, this is behind closed doors corruption.

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Speaker 2: We have the right in open air corruption where the

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Speaker 2: Trump administration just tries to get rid of every regulation

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Speaker 2: to this White House from raking in cash. And now

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Speaker 2: the SEC wants to end pay to play for private equity.

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Speaker 1: So this is a rule that was put in place

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Speaker 1: to stop private equity funds from bribing public officials. So

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Speaker 1: free speech to be able to bribe people. And so

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Speaker 1: basically they're using the same, this is, they're using the

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Speaker 1: playbook from Citizens United, right? Money is speech. And actually

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Speaker 1: it's funny because I once did this event with Scott Jennings,

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Speaker 1: This is like saying if you can't rob a grocery store,

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Speaker 1: really that this administration really shows the power of these

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's basically Trump administration operates under the central

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Speaker 2: Just feels to me like old school mafia, like, OK,

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Speaker 2: I'll let it so you can get away with this,

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Speaker 2: but make sure you bring back some for the big man.

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Speaker 2: Five percent.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of bribes, the GOP is bribing people to attend

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Speaker 2: their midterm convention that is starting in just two whole days. Oh, boy,

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Speaker 2: this is going to be fun.

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Speaker 1: I always thought that the midterm convention was kind of

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Speaker 2: In principle, yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because like people to have voters just check in

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Speaker 1: every four years is kind of stupid in a way. Right.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of. it doesn't necessarily do what it needs

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Speaker 1: the things that I've been struck by is that people

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Speaker 1: There's the ballroom. There's the reflecting pool. There's the Kennedy Center.

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Speaker 1: You're constantly being asked for money by this administration. These

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Speaker 1: big ticket events like this, right, they're basically so that,

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Speaker 1: you know, people who want pardons and lobbyists can get

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Speaker 1: So $ 25, 000 to attend. $ 100, 000 is for photos. The Vance

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Speaker 1: That's because he can't do anything and has no power.

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Speaker 1: And the speakers list has like Pretty much Don Jr.,

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Speaker 1: it's a rogues gallery at best.

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Speaker 2: What struck me this morning is we saw a slew

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Speaker 2: I mean, this new one with James Tallarico should be

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Speaker 2: this ridiculous stuff. But, you know, they generated it to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to go great. And his daughter, Vivian,

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Speaker 2: of this podcast that's been on a few times, Senate

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Speaker 2: Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. We've been talking a lot about

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Speaker 2: how his daughter loves to work for places like Meta. Well,

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Speaker 1: So, listen, Chuck Schumer is the minority leader for the Senate,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's also just this thing that drawing

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Speaker 2: contrast between Democrats and Trump's corruption is helpful to voters.

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Speaker 2: When they can't see a difference between them, we don't win.

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Speaker 1: Right. I mean, yes, when we can't see a difference

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Speaker 1: between them, we don't win. But also, like, Congress has

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Speaker 1: There's nothing. So you go online and you see lies.

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Speaker 1: There's no regulation. The impetus should be on Congress now

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Speaker 1: because Europe has real regulation. We do not. And so

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Speaker 1: my question is, like, Should the leader of Democrats in

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Speaker 1: Psychopolitics and a contributor to The Bulwark. Welcome, welcome, George Conway.

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Speaker 1: All right. So Michael Cohen, you may remember him. Yes.

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Speaker 3: Don't think so. I think a lot of people are

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Speaker 1: what has happened here is that for whatever reason, Michael

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Speaker 1: Just give me the larger... You've been on the inside.

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Speaker 1: Right. So you think that you think that he's not

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: But now... It's backfiring on the people who went along

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Speaker 3: with that, who caved into that to the Republican establishment

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Speaker 3: and to Republican voters who are paying more at the

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Speaker 3: gas pumps and so on, because he's just he's just

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Speaker 3: out there living in a fantasy world where all he

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Speaker 3: cares about is doing things that help himself or boost

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Speaker 3: his own ego, for example. 747, the ballroom, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Speaker 3: You name it.

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Speaker 1: And then we're also seeing the beginning of the corruption

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Speaker 1: stuff unravel.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. And it's a problem for Trump because Trump wants

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Speaker 1: to run these midterms on the fraud message. The Democrats

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Speaker 1: do fraud, waste, and abuse.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, who's in charge of the government?

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Speaker 1: Well, also, let's look at The Wall Street Journal today

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Speaker 1: with Corey, Corey Lewandowski, who offered his services to various

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Speaker 1: Middle Eastern countries.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. They're all making a mint. All these people

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Speaker 3: are making a mint.

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Speaker 1: And is it do you think this is I it's

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Speaker 1: my sense that this is the beginning. of reporting like this. Oh, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: We're seeing some of it already. I mean, the Wall Street,

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Speaker 3: I don't know what, where was the Corey thing? I

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Speaker 3: didn't have a chance to read it.

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Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal.

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Speaker 3: The Wall Street Journal has been doing the most amazing

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Speaker 3: reporting on the corruption. It's been reporting a lot about

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Speaker 3: Boris Epstein, about Sullivan and Cromwell, about this deal involving

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Speaker 3: the settlement of the DOJ's case against Live Nation and Ticketmaster.

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Speaker 3: And they've been writing about so much else. I mean,

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Speaker 3: a bunch of stories about, you know, picking at the

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Speaker 3: layers of what you have to believe is significant corruption underneath,

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Speaker 3: whether it be actual criminal corruption or just sleaziness. And

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Speaker 3: they're just doing an amazing job of it. And I

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Speaker 3: think as time goes on, I mean, people are catching

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Speaker 3: on to it. I mean, the reason why things are

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Speaker 3: more expensive. I mean, it's crazy things. Even I think

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Speaker 3: things are expensive. And it's like the reason why things

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Speaker 3: are more expensive is because of these tariffs, which he

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Speaker 3: puts into place. Trump puts into place because he makes

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Speaker 3: it feel powerful to sign a piece of paper that

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Speaker 3: harms other people. And this war, which he thought he

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Speaker 3: was going to be– glory of taking down the Iranians,

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Speaker 3: which was a big fantasy, as we know. And so,

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Speaker 3: you know, he doesn't talk about the war that much anymore.

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Speaker 3: He's focusing on building his ballroom, building his majestic arch, building,

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Speaker 3: you know, the bribe force one, 747, the Qataris, all

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Speaker 3: that shit. And then now he's got his convention, which

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Speaker 3: is basically the Trump-a-palooza, as they're calling it. But it's

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Speaker 3: all about him, and he's costing everybody else. Instead of

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Speaker 3: doing his job, and he's costing people money, people who,

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Speaker 3: you know, don't have as much money as him. Oh,

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Speaker 3: did I mention the $ 3 or $ 4 billion he's made

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Speaker 3: in the last 21 months?

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Speaker 1: But if you have a president who's polling under 40%,

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Speaker 1: who's polling as low as 32% in some of these polls—

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Speaker 1: And you have, and I just talked to a guy

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Speaker 1: who's running in a Trump plus 18 district who talked

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Speaker 1: about how there are no, he's not seeing Trump signs anymore.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, you don't see, that's absolutely right. You do

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Speaker 3: not see. I mean, I even see this when I've

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Speaker 3: been in New Jersey. There are places in New Jersey

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Speaker 3: that were pretty Trumpy, you know, in North, North to

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Speaker 3: Northwestern New Jersey and in South Jersey and There were

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Speaker 3: some very Trumpy patches, Atlantic County, Morris County. You do

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Speaker 3: not see that shit anymore. We do not. And I'm

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Speaker 3: told it's true in places like, you know, Wisconsin and Michigan. No,

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Speaker 3: they're just people are exhausted by him. And that's going

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Speaker 3: to depress the vote for the Republicans, which is why.

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Speaker 3: He wants to fuck with the vote.

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Speaker 1: When we look at that, though, when we look at that,

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Speaker 1: usually midterms are referendums on the incumbent.

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Speaker 3: Yes. This will not be an exception.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because, like, I feel like we've been covering

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Speaker 1: Trump for so long. But what I'm struck by is

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Speaker 1: that people are not voting on democracy. They're not voting

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Speaker 1: on the moral imperative. They're just voting on their wallet.

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Speaker 3: At the end of the day, that's what they do.

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Speaker 3: And that's why what happened after in Hungary happened, right?

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Speaker 3: People talking for years about the degradation of democracy and

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Speaker 3: the degradation of the rule of law. And that didn't

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Speaker 3: turn Hungary around. What turned Hungary around was a charismatic

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Speaker 3: candidate for president. a charismatic opposition leader who went out

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Speaker 3: into the countryside and connected for people who weren't necessarily

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Speaker 3: paying all that much attention and don't believe in abstractions

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Speaker 3: about democracy and the rule of law. Right. And are

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Speaker 3: just trying to, you know, lead their lives and sometimes

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Speaker 3: hardscrabble lives. He explained to them how all that matters

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Speaker 3: because the corruption screws them. And people are starting to

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Speaker 3: get that message. And that's what, you know, when you

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Speaker 3: listen to people like John Ossoff, he does it perfectly.

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Speaker 3: He does it absolutely perfectly. And that's what, you know,

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Speaker 3: that's what the Democrats have to do. And they have

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Speaker 3: to hit harder with it. Not all of them really

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Speaker 3: get it. They just think that, you know, you can

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Speaker 3: just talk about grocery prices and you can talk about

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Speaker 3: gas prices. And that's it. But you have to connect

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Speaker 3: it up. To the fact that this guy is making

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Speaker 3: billions of dollars. You have to connect it up to

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Speaker 3: the fact that he's a pathological liar. You have to

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Speaker 3: connect it up to the fact that he's a con man.

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Speaker 3: You have to connect it up to the destruction and

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Speaker 3: degradation of the institutions that have actually done us, you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of good over the years, like the Defense

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Speaker 3: Department and NATO, our alliances. You know, you have to

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Speaker 3: say this man is just making a hash out of

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Speaker 3: everything because he's crazy and corrupt.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of anxiety about the midterms. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of lawyers. It does strike me that Trump

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Speaker 1: will continue to lose in court here.

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Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, he will continue to lose in court. You know,

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Speaker 3: his record is better in the Supreme Court, unfortunately, than

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Speaker 3: in the lower courts, but he's still going to lose

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Speaker 3: a lot in the Supreme Court. For example, this USPS regulation,

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Speaker 3: I think at the end of the day, I mean,

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Speaker 3: people were very upset at the ruling of the Supreme

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Speaker 3: Court a couple of weeks ago where they stayed a

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Speaker 3: district court ruling. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: that was on procedural technical grounds. And I don't think

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Speaker 3: if this case comes up, which it will. Which it's

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Speaker 3: going back to the Supreme Court now. Right, in a

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Speaker 3: fully baked form, I think he has to lose. There's

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Speaker 3: just no basis for the president. There's no basis for

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Speaker 3: the USPS, no basis for the federal government to intervene

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Speaker 3: in voting, which is supposed to be the province of

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Speaker 3: the state, without an act of Congress. And there's certainly

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Speaker 3: no basis for the president of the United States to

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Speaker 3: effectuate this through the Postal Service, via a Postal Service

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Speaker 3: regulation that has nothing to do really with the job

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Speaker 3: of delivering the mail, but has everything to do with

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Speaker 3: using the postal service to create chaos to deter people

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Speaker 3: from voting and to confuse voters. And it's just completely lawless.

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Speaker 3: And really, it's not even designed to work. Right.

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Speaker 1: We're almost out of time, but say more about why

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Speaker 1: it's not designed to work. It's not designed to work

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Speaker 1: because it's like.

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Speaker 3: You know, it takes a lot to design systems that

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Speaker 3: deliver FedEx packages. It takes a lot to design a

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Speaker 3: system that delivers the bulk mail that we still get.

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Speaker 3: And The kinds of systems that need to be developed

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Speaker 3: for the post office to do what it's being told

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Speaker 3: to do, which is to check voter rolls.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: Check the quality.

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Speaker 1: It can happen.

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Speaker 3: Check the barcodes on as yet to be designed ballots

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Speaker 3: that have to ballot envelopes that have to be approved

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Speaker 3: still by the U.S. Postal Service. And then to run

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Speaker 3: those barcodes against data that the states are submitting through

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Speaker 3: a portal that hasn't been set up yet. And to

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Speaker 3: do that before November. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: OK.

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Speaker 3: And to do that under a system that is intentionally

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Speaker 3: set up to be decentralized. Well, it's also they have

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Speaker 3: this thing where let's say let's say the city of

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Speaker 3: New York puts 100,000 ballots, gives 100,000 ballots batch to

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Speaker 3: the post office and with all barcoded and a list

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Speaker 3: to go with that. If one ballot. Envelope. doesn't match

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Speaker 3: up to the list or it doesn't compute, the whole

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Speaker 3: batch goes, 100,000, gone. It's designed to basically defeat the

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Speaker 3: right to vote by mail. And it's designed not to

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Speaker 3: work and it's designed to create confusion. And that's, you know,

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Speaker 3: it's really transparent. It's corruptly, it's transparently corrupt.

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Speaker 1: George Conway.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Will you come back?

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Speaker 4: I will.

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Speaker 1: Ezra Levin is the co-founder of Indivisible. Welcome, welcome, Ezra.

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Speaker 4: Great to be here, Molly. Great to talk to you again.

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Speaker 1: So, end of summer, we're back in school, and that

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Speaker 1: means what?

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Speaker 4: That means we're mobilizing. That means we are protecting democracy.

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Speaker 4: That means we're not giving up this republic to a

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Speaker 4: would-be authoritarian king. And the way we do that is

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Speaker 4: by exercising our constitutional rights to vote, our constitutional rights

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Speaker 4: to protest, our constitutional rights to organize, and our constitutional

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Speaker 4: rights to work together to defend these elections.

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Speaker 1: What does that look like?

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Speaker 4: That's going to look different in different places, Molly. Look,

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Speaker 4: we've had the largest protests in American history over the

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Speaker 4: last 22 months. We had hands off. We had no

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Speaker 4: Kings one. We had no Kings two. We had no

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Speaker 4: Kings three, five million, seven million, eight million people. What

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Speaker 4: we did as Trump was trying to consolidate control was

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Speaker 4: we sent a message that we're not afraid. We're not

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Speaker 4: backing down. We're going to exercise our constitutional rights, even

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Speaker 4: if this authoritarian wants us not to. This No Kings,

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Speaker 4: it's not just about sending a message. This is categorically different.

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Speaker 4: We're no longer trying to send that message. We've sent

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Speaker 4: it already. This No Kings, we're taking back power for

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Speaker 4: the people. We are using our constitutional rights to show up,

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Speaker 4: to boost early turnout, to be the largest early turnout

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Speaker 4: that we have ever seen in the history of America.

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Speaker 4: And we are recruiting a volunteer force to protect the

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Speaker 4: results when the inevitable sabotage comes our way from this regime.

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Speaker 1: I want to tell my No Kings story. So last year,

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Speaker 1: the New York Times opinion, where I write, said, would

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Speaker 1: you want to go to the No Kings rally in

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Speaker 1: Montclair to write about and talk to the gubernatorial candidate,

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Speaker 1: Mikey Sherrill? She's probably going to win, but the polls

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Speaker 1: are tightening.

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Speaker 2: Who knows?

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Speaker 1: So I went to the rally in Montclair because I

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Speaker 1: write about politics. You're not supposed to like be a

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Speaker 1: part of events like that, but I could go and

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Speaker 1: I could talk to people because I was writing about it.

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Speaker 1: And I love stuff like that because that's the world

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Speaker 1: I come from. So, you know, or my parents were hippies.

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Speaker 1: You know, I love a public protest and it was

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Speaker 1: really a beautiful event. And there were I got to

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Speaker 1: talk to all different kinds of people. Really interesting. But

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Speaker 1: one of the things I was struck by was. what

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Speaker 1: a star Mikey Sherrill was. And I thought to myself, oh, wow,

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Speaker 1: this person is really a good politician. Like she's going

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Speaker 1: to win and she's going to win by a lot

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Speaker 1: because after she spoke, this is going to sound stupid,

650
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,350
Speaker 1: but after she spoke, people started chasing her to her car.

651
00:36:59,070 --> 00:37:02,489
Speaker 1: Like that only happens with certain politicians, you know, where

652
00:37:02,510 --> 00:37:05,490
Speaker 1: they have that sort of they get a group so excited.

653
00:37:05,989 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: The other thing that I want, the reason I'm bringing

654
00:37:08,180 --> 00:37:10,020
Speaker 1: this up is that what I saw was like a

655
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 1: lot of community and a lot of people who lived

656
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,739
Speaker 1: in Montclair being like, oh, you're here, too. Oh, we're neighbors. Oh,

657
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:19,819
Speaker 1: so that was sort of more of what I think

658
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,140
Speaker 1: like early No Kings was about.

659
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Speaker 4: The number one thing authoritarians want you to believe is

660
00:37:25,210 --> 00:37:28,469
Speaker 4: that you're alone. Because if you're alone, you're powerless. If

661
00:37:28,510 --> 00:37:31,170
Speaker 4: you're alone, you can be isolated. You can be separated

662
00:37:31,230 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 4: out from everybody else. They can stomp all over your rights.

663
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:37,630
Speaker 4: So one of the most powerful things we did in

664
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:40,950
Speaker 4: the early months after Trump took office again was refuse

665
00:37:40,969 --> 00:37:43,830
Speaker 4: to be alone, refuse to be divided, show up in force,

666
00:37:43,969 --> 00:37:45,930
Speaker 4: even when he's calling out the National Guard, even when

667
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:48,629
Speaker 4: he's sending his secret police goon squad around, even when

668
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:51,589
Speaker 4: he's threatening to put us in jail or deport us,

669
00:37:51,650 --> 00:37:55,450
Speaker 4: we are showing up to protest together, refusing to be alone.

670
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,580
Speaker 4: And I think that sent a powerful message, not to

671
00:37:58,620 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 4: this regime alone, but also to each other, that we

672
00:38:02,020 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 4: actually don't have to be afraid that we do have

673
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,140
Speaker 4: these rights and we can organize. Because every time one

674
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 4: person stands up and says, hey, this isn't right, and

675
00:38:09,780 --> 00:38:11,180
Speaker 4: I'm going to say it's not right, there are a

676
00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:13,819
Speaker 4: thousand other eyeballs on that person. And they say, oh, wow,

677
00:38:13,860 --> 00:38:17,150
Speaker 4: maybe I can stand up too. So this community aspect

678
00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:20,549
Speaker 4: to the resistance to Trump 2.0 has been crucial to

679
00:38:20,610 --> 00:38:22,550
Speaker 4: sending the message and developing the kind of power at

680
00:38:22,570 --> 00:38:25,430
Speaker 4: the grassroots level we need to push back. And time

681
00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:28,060
Speaker 4: and time again, it's been paying off by pushing back

682
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:29,940
Speaker 4: the regime when they try to stomp all over the

683
00:38:29,980 --> 00:38:33,259
Speaker 4: Twin Cities or by producing the biggest turnout I've ever

684
00:38:33,340 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 4: seen in an off-year election like we saw last year,

685
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 4: two and a half weeks after No Kings 2. So

686
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,500
Speaker 4: I think you're hitting on something very real here that

687
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,980
Speaker 4: one of the messages of No Kings, because it's not

688
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 4: all just in DC or all just in the capital

689
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:50,060
Speaker 4: center or all just in the biggest city, it's everywhere.

690
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,100
Speaker 4: It's in just about every community. It's like, oh, these

691
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 4: are my neighbors. This is my community. I can be

692
00:38:54,900 --> 00:38:57,859
Speaker 4: part of that. It's very accessible. It's very welcoming. It's

693
00:38:57,900 --> 00:39:00,390
Speaker 4: very fun. And it sends the message that, look, it

694
00:39:00,410 --> 00:39:02,069
Speaker 4: doesn't matter what party you're part of. You can be

695
00:39:02,110 --> 00:39:03,969
Speaker 4: an independent. You can be a Republican. You can be

696
00:39:03,989 --> 00:39:06,300
Speaker 4: a Democrat. All you have to do is believe in democracy,

697
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,259
Speaker 4: and you're part of this movement. I think that's been

698
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,219
Speaker 4: absolutely crucial to building the kind of grassroots force we

699
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:15,350
Speaker 4: have so far. What's different about this No Kings in October, though,

700
00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:19,070
Speaker 4: it's not just about making people feel safe. We have

701
00:39:19,090 --> 00:39:22,010
Speaker 4: been building that community now for 22 months. Right now,

702
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:24,649
Speaker 4: it's about using that power we've built. And you do

703
00:39:24,690 --> 00:39:27,149
Speaker 4: that in a democracy by exercising your rights.

704
00:39:27,330 --> 00:39:29,950
Speaker 1: Can you talk about what this day of action is?

705
00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:35,020
Speaker 1: action looks like and just give us the fundamentals of it? 17th.

706
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Speaker 4: This is a Saturday, October 17th. The thing about America

707
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 4: is every state is different. So some states have early

708
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,300
Speaker 4: voting going already. Some states won't have early voting already.

709
00:39:43,340 --> 00:39:46,340
Speaker 4: So take Ohio early voting full swing where people are

710
00:39:46,380 --> 00:39:48,980
Speaker 4: going to be out casting votes for a couple of

711
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,930
Speaker 4: weeks before no Kings launches on October 17th. These are

712
00:39:52,969 --> 00:39:55,930
Speaker 4: going to be massive. It's to boost early vote, get

713
00:39:56,130 --> 00:39:58,190
Speaker 4: out to vote, and then come to this event in

714
00:39:58,230 --> 00:40:01,090
Speaker 4: your precinct. Unlike No Kings 1, 2, and 3. It's

715
00:40:01,130 --> 00:40:03,050
Speaker 4: not going to be just a big protest where we

716
00:40:03,070 --> 00:40:05,150
Speaker 4: send a message. It's going to be a big gathering

717
00:40:05,290 --> 00:40:07,710
Speaker 4: where we're getting everybody out. We're getting everybody out that day.

718
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:09,870
Speaker 4: But take a state like Michigan. Michigan won't have early

719
00:40:09,910 --> 00:40:11,890
Speaker 4: vote yet on October 17th. So what do you do

720
00:40:12,270 --> 00:40:16,210
Speaker 4: across the state of Michigan? You have thousands and thousands

721
00:40:16,330 --> 00:40:19,690
Speaker 4: of organizers pulling together hundreds of events to prepare people

722
00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:23,859
Speaker 4: to get early vote the second they can possibly do it. Because, look,

723
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,339
Speaker 4: we're all worried about the sabotage that's coming. We know

724
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 4: what he's planning to do. One of the best anti-sabotage

725
00:40:30,100 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 4: tools we have is to show up and vote as

726
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 4: soon as possible with overwhelming margins. Because if you do that,

727
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,060
Speaker 4: it's too big to steal. If you do that, you

728
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Speaker 4: have an outcome like we saw in Hungary, where Orban

729
00:40:40,340 --> 00:40:42,609
Speaker 4: would have loved to hang on to power, but after

730
00:40:42,610 --> 00:40:45,770
Speaker 4: 16 years was just demolished at the polls. He lost

731
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Speaker 4: by such huge margins, he couldn't even sabotage it. That's

732
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Speaker 4: what I want to see this November.

733
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Speaker 1: I want you to talk to the worst case scenario.

734
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Speaker 1: Are you guys prepared for something that is like people

735
00:40:58,969 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: start voting and they can't vote? Or like another scenario

736
00:41:03,390 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: is we vote, they lose the House, they lose the Senate,

737
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Speaker 1: and they refuse to seat the new members. So what

738
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:10,620
Speaker 1: happens then?

739
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Speaker 4: I think that is a version of the worst-case scenario,

740
00:41:12,580 --> 00:41:14,450
Speaker 4: but the real worst-case scenario is one where we give

741
00:41:14,469 --> 00:41:17,350
Speaker 4: in to cynicism and nihilism and fatalism, where we say, Apple,

742
00:41:17,390 --> 00:41:20,450
Speaker 4: that's bullshit. No point in paying attention. No point in engaging.

743
00:41:20,790 --> 00:41:22,570
Speaker 4: He's an authoritarian. He's just going to do what he

744
00:41:22,610 --> 00:41:24,290
Speaker 4: wants to do. We give him power he doesn't have.

745
00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:25,910
Speaker 1: There are a lot of people who are worried.

746
00:41:26,190 --> 00:41:28,649
Speaker 4: Let me remove a little bit of anxiety by getting

747
00:41:28,730 --> 00:41:30,710
Speaker 4: to this dark place with you. We don't have to

748
00:41:30,830 --> 00:41:34,980
Speaker 4: worry that Trump is going to sabotage the elections. We know...

749
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 4: Trump is going to try to sabotage the elections. That

750
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:41,459
Speaker 4: is something predictable. And I cannot change what is going

751
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 4: on in Donald Trump's head. That is not in my power.

752
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: It's not in your power. It's not in any of

753
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,100
Speaker 4: our power. Trump is going to do what Trump is

754
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,460
Speaker 4: going to do. But this isn't about him. This is

755
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: about what we do. And there is no magic solution

756
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 4: to an autocrat trying to consolidate power that doesn't come

757
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 4: down well to people nonviolently organized all across America. Because

758
00:42:00,340 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 4: if they're not doing that, if you're counting on the

759
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:06,020
Speaker 4: Supreme Court to save you, good luck. Ain't gonna happen.

760
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 4: There is a legal fight to be had and I'm

761
00:42:08,890 --> 00:42:11,509
Speaker 4: all about that. But this is ultimately come down to

762
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:15,670
Speaker 4: do people organize and refuse to metabolize a sabotaging of

763
00:42:15,690 --> 00:42:18,189
Speaker 4: the election results. And that means a couple of things.

764
00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:22,430
Speaker 4: It means a mass opposition wave the day after the election.

765
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Speaker 4: Should he try to do that? Should he refuse to

766
00:42:24,380 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: certify the results as you're saying? Should he go and

767
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:29,500
Speaker 4: seize ballot boxes? Should he call out ICE and the

768
00:42:29,540 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 4: National Guard and the military? to kind of intimidate voters.

769
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:34,939
Speaker 4: There needs to be everywhere in the country, red states,

770
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 4: blue states, purple states, rural areas, suburban areas, urban areas.

771
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: We need to say, no, we don't stand for that.

772
00:42:39,340 --> 00:42:41,140
Speaker 4: And then there needs to be targeted pressure in the

773
00:42:41,180 --> 00:42:43,620
Speaker 4: places where he is trying to sabotage. That could be

774
00:42:43,660 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: a day, could be multiple days. Hell, Molly, it could

775
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 4: be multiple weeks. I don't know. What I can tell you.

776
00:42:48,510 --> 00:42:50,170
Speaker 4: It's going to come down to, are you connected with

777
00:42:50,190 --> 00:42:52,969
Speaker 4: your neighbors? Are you actually organizing ahead of time? Do

778
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:55,790
Speaker 4: you know what the threats are? Are you prepared for

779
00:42:55,830 --> 00:42:58,330
Speaker 4: when they hit? And that's what this no Kings is

780
00:42:58,510 --> 00:43:01,169
Speaker 4: all about. One, it is boost an early vote. And two,

781
00:43:01,489 --> 00:43:03,670
Speaker 4: it is preparing for that sabotage that's going to come

782
00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:05,489
Speaker 4: because we don't want to wait for the shit to

783
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:07,589
Speaker 4: hit the fan for us to say, oh, let's figure

784
00:43:07,610 --> 00:43:09,029
Speaker 4: out how we're going to respond to this. We got

785
00:43:09,050 --> 00:43:11,660
Speaker 4: to be prepared ahead of time. And that's on all

786
00:43:11,739 --> 00:43:13,860
Speaker 4: of us to do. Nobody else is coming in riding

787
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,259
Speaker 4: on a horse to save the day. It's going to

788
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,610
Speaker 4: be us organizing ourselves. And No Kings is going to

789
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:19,469
Speaker 4: be a big part of being the backbone for a

790
00:43:19,489 --> 00:43:21,030
Speaker 4: grassroots opposition to sabotage.

791
00:43:21,390 --> 00:43:31,140
Speaker 1: Explain why it that works so well to remind would-be

792
00:43:31,180 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: authoritarians that they don't get to take over.

793
00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:36,939
Speaker 4: Well, and it's partly about reminding the would-be authoritarians. Trump

794
00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:38,940
Speaker 4: hates it. I mean, this is why he tweets out

795
00:43:39,060 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 4: pictures of and videos of protesters having shit dropped on that.

796
00:43:43,380 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 4: It annoys the hell out of him that somebody would

797
00:43:45,260 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 4: gall to stand up to him. But again, it's not

798
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 4: really about Trump because Trump is the least of the

799
00:43:50,700 --> 00:43:53,299
Speaker 4: problems right now. The problem is a population that doesn't

800
00:43:53,340 --> 00:43:56,020
Speaker 4: believe it has rights or is too afraid to exercise

801
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 4: their rights. So The community impact of standing up when

802
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 4: somebody is threatening you, when somebody is threatening and take

803
00:44:02,020 --> 00:44:04,310
Speaker 4: away your rights and saying, ah, no, these are my rights.

804
00:44:04,469 --> 00:44:06,489
Speaker 4: I'm going to exercise them. I'm not afraid to stand up.

805
00:44:06,670 --> 00:44:08,870
Speaker 4: You can see where I am. You can see who

806
00:44:08,969 --> 00:44:12,029
Speaker 4: I am. I'm in this community and I'm here and

807
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:14,130
Speaker 4: I'm not going to give up these powers that are

808
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:16,610
Speaker 4: given to me by the constitution that has an impact

809
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:19,509
Speaker 4: throughout the community. That's in a blue state. That's in

810
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:22,069
Speaker 4: a red state. That's in a purple state. We all

811
00:44:22,110 --> 00:44:24,259
Speaker 4: need to exercise that because for every person that is

812
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,420
Speaker 4: willing to do that, there are a hundred more who

813
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: are on the sidelines thinking, I don't know, maybe it's

814
00:44:29,060 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 4: too chancy to stand up right now. Maybe I'll just

815
00:44:31,219 --> 00:44:34,100
Speaker 4: be quiet and this will blow over. But if everybody

816
00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:37,460
Speaker 4: acts that way, we've lost. So it is extremely important

817
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 4: to be that person in your community says, hell, I

818
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:43,339
Speaker 4: looked at the map at NoKings.org. There's no NoKings event.

819
00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 4: on October 17th in my community. Shit, I guess I

820
00:44:46,420 --> 00:44:49,009
Speaker 4: got to pull it together because that's how this spreads

821
00:44:49,050 --> 00:44:52,030
Speaker 4: like wildfire. It's people who decide to raise their hands

822
00:44:52,130 --> 00:44:54,230
Speaker 4: and say, I'm going to be the community leader right now.

823
00:44:54,250 --> 00:44:56,009
Speaker 4: I don't want to be it. This isn't what I'm

824
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:58,410
Speaker 4: supposed to do, but I guess I got to organize

825
00:44:58,630 --> 00:45:00,830
Speaker 4: because when you do that, what you will find is

826
00:45:00,850 --> 00:45:04,050
Speaker 4: there are tons of other community members who are so appreciative.

827
00:45:04,250 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 4: who wanted somebody out there to say, yeah, you can

828
00:45:06,300 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 4: come here to the community town center, to the library,

829
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 4: to this public street, and we're all going to be

830
00:45:10,940 --> 00:45:12,259
Speaker 4: out there and we're going to be celebrating that we're

831
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 4: boosting early vote to levels that we've never seen before.

832
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,950
Speaker 4: That's why the public aspect of this is important. We

833
00:45:18,030 --> 00:45:21,110
Speaker 4: organize out in the open because we're pro-democracy patriots, Molly.

834
00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:24,330
Speaker 4: We are exercising our basic constitutional rights. They want us

835
00:45:24,370 --> 00:45:26,009
Speaker 4: to hide in the shadows. We're not going to give

836
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:26,410
Speaker 4: that to them.

837
00:45:26,730 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: Ezra, so important. So if you're listening to this, what's

838
00:45:30,260 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: the action item here?

839
00:45:31,820 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 4: Number one, go to NoKings.org. Find the No Kings event

840
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 4: in your area on October 17th. If you found it, great.

841
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:42,419
Speaker 4: You got a plan. Get three people who aren't really

842
00:45:42,460 --> 00:45:44,500
Speaker 4: politically engaged, who maybe don't buy into all this and

843
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,609
Speaker 4: tell them, hey, this is your chance to be part

844
00:45:46,620 --> 00:45:48,610
Speaker 4: of a movement that takes democracy back for the people

845
00:45:48,969 --> 00:45:51,469
Speaker 4: and bring them to that event. If there isn't one

846
00:45:51,489 --> 00:45:53,570
Speaker 4: in your area, I'm telling you, if you're hearing this message,

847
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:56,230
Speaker 4: you can organize it. You can be part of this movement.

848
00:45:56,489 --> 00:45:59,190
Speaker 4: You can change history. This whole movement for the last

849
00:45:59,190 --> 00:46:01,310
Speaker 4: 22 months has been built by people like you who

850
00:46:01,330 --> 00:46:03,110
Speaker 4: decide to raise their hand and be part of the

851
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:05,950
Speaker 4: organizing effort all around the country. And it doesn't matter

852
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:08,210
Speaker 4: if you're in the purplest state in the country, the

853
00:46:08,250 --> 00:46:09,950
Speaker 4: reddest state in the country, the bluest state in the country.

854
00:46:10,130 --> 00:46:11,670
Speaker 4: We need you in this. This takes all of us.

855
00:46:11,989 --> 00:46:14,070
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Ezra.

856
00:46:14,170 --> 00:46:14,700
Speaker 4: Thank you, Molly.

857
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 2: And now your moment of suffering.

858
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Speaker 1: Jesse Cannon.

859
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:25,460
Speaker 2: Molly Jugfast, so... Earlier this week, and Rudolph Giuliani, you

860
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:29,660
Speaker 2: may remember him from Sacha Baron Cohen, having him almost

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Speaker 2: have some very, very bad dealings on camera and many

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Speaker 2: other things, four seasons landscaping, the whole nine yards. Well,

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Speaker 2: it turns out that this craven, horrible, horrible person just

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Speaker 2: looked the other way about air quality for everything from

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Speaker 2: kids that were going to Stuyvesant High School to On

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Speaker 2: to the people who lived around 9-11. And Zoran Mandati's

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Speaker 2: administration has released more than... 170,000 pages of documents that

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Speaker 2: suggest this.

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Speaker 1: So this is important because, you know, the establishment really

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Speaker 1: pushed hard against Zohra and Mondami. And it's interesting to

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Speaker 1: me that he did things like releasing the 170,000 pages

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Speaker 1: of documents suggesting that city officials knew air conditions following

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Speaker 1: the 9-11 attacks were unsafe. and told all of us,

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Speaker 1: and I live in New York, I lived in New

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Speaker 1: York 25 years ago, that the air was safe. And

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Speaker 1: I remember living in New York, smelling the... I mean,

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Speaker 1: did you live downtown then?

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Speaker 2: I was downtown constantly during that period, yeah.

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Speaker 1: So what you noticed when you lived in New York

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Speaker 1: then was that right after it happened, there was like

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Speaker 1: this toxic soot on everything. And I actually had friends

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Speaker 1: who lived downtown right near it. I have two different

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Speaker 1: friends who both got pancreatic cancer who lived right next door.

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Speaker 1: One of them died and the other one is having treatment.

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Speaker 1: And like it was clear there was something really off.

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Speaker 1: And I remember because it smelled bad. So bad. And

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Speaker 1: I was pregnant a year and a half after. And

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Speaker 1: I remember just thinking, oh, this is going to be bad,

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Speaker 1: like that there's something they're not telling us about. And

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Speaker 1: everyone was like, no, no, the air is totally safe.

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Speaker 1: The government was like, it's totally safe. It was not

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Speaker 1: totally safe. It was filled with. asbestos and people got

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Speaker 1: sick and first responders got the sickest. And I think

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Speaker 1: that that is also worth realizing. So firemen, the working

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Speaker 1: people who were down there, like looking for people, they

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Speaker 1: were the ones who got the sickest and they were

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Speaker 1: the ones who got the least help. But yeah, the

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Speaker 1: way that the building was constructed, the asbestos, And anyway,

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Speaker 1: so good for Zorian's administration for releasing this, because remember,

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Speaker 1: you know what? What administration did not release.

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Speaker 3: Any of this?

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Speaker 2: Well, technically all of them. Right.

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Speaker 1: No, it's true. So Eric Adams.

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Speaker 2: And Bill de Blasio. And Michael Bloomberg.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And Michael Bloomberg, though I bet they hadn't gotten

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Speaker 1: it all together then. But yes.

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Speaker 2: It's not what it looks like anyway.

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Speaker 1: But the point is, there were a lot of Democratic

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Speaker 1: mayors who could have released this information and none of

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Speaker 1: them did until Zora. That's it for this episode of

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