WEBVTT - Ep. 190 — How to Get Fired In 24 Hours Or Less 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:21.759 Hey, hey, hey, we're brown, we're black. 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.920 Wait, that's like anyway, we're broad ambition, Hey, Mandy. 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:31.040 I mean we are equal opportunity to all shades of melanin. Yeah, 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:32.800 it's a safe space for your skin tone. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:34.000 Yes. 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.760 So I had to firew somebody this week. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:42.839 And ooh juicy do toe And I love that, I know, 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:45.960 because that's so hard for you. 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:47.920 I know, Oh my gosh. And I was really proud 0:00:47.920 --> 0:00:49.519 of myself because it was a really good lesson. It 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:51.640 wasn't one of my you know, like it was somebody 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:53.840 brand news. She literally only worked a day. 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:56.760 Isn't that I've never had to do that before. 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:58.320 Well did she do to get fired? 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:02.480 And one day I am, well, so I've been looking 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:04.320 for and I hope she doesn't listen, and she does listen. 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:05.000 Hey, gar. 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:10.440 So I've been looking for an executive admin for a 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:12.800 long time. I've got two women on the team that 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:14.920 kind of like tag team and help, but they have 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.480 other positions on the team. So it's like the three 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.319 of us being my executive admin who we named Michelle 0:01:21.480 --> 0:01:23.880 and so. But I mean, and they do a great job, 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:26.120 but you know, like I said, they have other positions 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.440 on the team. So I really need someone dedicated to me. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.280 So we thought we found someone. She's super nice, she 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:36.560 was an admin before, and I just thought that it 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:37.840 was going to be a fit. But I learned a 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:39.360 lesson in that I really have to kind of try 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.720 people on for size. So I gave her one assignment, 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.920 which was to do a PowerPoint presentation. I gave it 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.200 to her a nine o'clock in the morning. Like the 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.400 email system was down, so there was no emails that 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.640 had to be done. So literally that was it one 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:56.040 assignment and then by the end of the day it 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:56.720 wasn't done. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.360 But that's not why. It was like, this is not 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:01.040 going to be a No. 0:02:01.200 --> 0:02:04.600 It wasn't done, And so I gave her a temple 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.320 and said, here's something that I've made, but it's not good, 0:02:08.040 --> 0:02:10.360 but here are all the slides that I need. So 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:12.200 I'm just showing you kind of like what I made, 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.240 which is similar to kind of what I want, but 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.440 something good. Oh, I do Parapoint all day every day. 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.360 I eat Parapoint for breakfast, no problem. So by five 0:02:20.480 --> 0:02:23.760 I get a message, Hey, I just shared the Parapoint 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:26.160 you know, the draft with someone on the team before 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.440 I send it to you. And I was like, you 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:29.000 know what, it's five girl, Just go ahead and send 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.040 it on over. I'm sure it's fine. Just so a 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:33.240 few tweaks here and there because it was due the 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:35.840 next day for me, I had to submit it. When 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.000 I tell you made it, I had to open it 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:41.240 three times. It was my exact parapoint, Oh, the exact like. 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:44.600 When I tell you the exact It was the same slides. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:48.639 Just hey, here's the new title and here's some new 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:50.560 like the new bullets that I gave you, like copy 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:52.560 and paste, like a ten minute copy and paste job. 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:53.919 And I honestly even. 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.400 That, I was like, that's fine, And I was like, 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.400 you know what, maybe you know I wasn't clear. I 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:00.880 actually don't like my parapoint because I'm not Goo at PowerPoint. 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:02.720 I just think it looks so rudimentary, like what I've made. 0:03:03.080 --> 0:03:05.080 So maybe you thought that's what I wanted. That's not 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:07.919 what I wanted that I know you do a better job. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:11.120 Can you just send me like how you would do it? 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:14.960 And she's said, oh, okay, well, here's the thing. This 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:16.000 is like verbatim. 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:18.800 Due to the current time constraints, I don't want to 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:20.480 promise that I'm going to be able to get it 0:03:20.520 --> 0:03:21.080 done in time. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.120 I'm like, time constraints? What what do you? 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.120 I was like, well what, and then gave me a 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:30.160 list of things that she had to do instead, not 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:32.400 not list of things for me, but like list of 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.600 things in her life that were going to take precedence 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:35.520 that day, which. 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:36.720 Is normally fine. 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:39.000 But this is a project I gave at nine am, 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:42.440 and I don't know that there's an easier, easier assignment 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:43.560 than a power point you know. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:45.880 Yeah, I'm shocked. 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:50.520 I honestly was like, what I got to due to 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:52.240 the current time constraints, I don't think I'm going to 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:56.560 almost like, well, I'm busy girl, That's what I read like. 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:58.680 And I was like what, And then I said, you 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:00.520 know what to d be fair? Because today it was 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:01.080 her first day. 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:03.480 I'm sure the other team members gave her a ton 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:04.840 of things to do because they had been itching for 0:04:04.880 --> 0:04:05.600 me to get admin. 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:07.560 So I'm calling with other team members like hey. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.560 I even asked her, you know, did my COEO give 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:13.600 you assignments to other people? Everyone, including her, said no, 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.400 there were no other assignments assigned, And so I'm like, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:21.279 so this is from nine to five, this is the 0:04:21.279 --> 0:04:22.159 one thing that you did. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:23.120 I just I didn't. 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.400 I didn't know what to say, and you know how 0:04:25.440 --> 0:04:26.960 you know, and you're like, I was like, well, maybe 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:30.600 I'll give it another day, but you know, and I said, Tiffany, 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:33.600 this is this is not a fit. And old Tiffany 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.320 would keep on someone that's not a fit for a 0:04:36.400 --> 0:04:39.520 year and be miserable because I would feel overwhelmed because 0:04:39.520 --> 0:04:42.440 I'd be doing double work. But new Tiffany said, you've 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:44.680 been asking to grow. This is your opportunity to do 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:46.760 what you already know you need to do. This is 0:04:46.800 --> 0:04:49.120 not going to be a fit that It's not about 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:53.040 the assignment not being done. It's the unwillingness to take 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.480 take ownership of the misstep and then fix it. And 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:59.480 so you know, we let her go. She of course 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:01.640 she was upset. We did it in writing, but I 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.599 also had a call and the thing that kind of 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.720 was off putting. She sent me a letter saying I 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.560 feel like she said something like, I think it's unfair 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:14.080 that the new girl got this assignment with these time constraints. 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:15.920 The new girl, this is not high school. We were 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:20.360 picking on you and hazing you, like and I just 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:21.320 like I thought it. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.400 Kind of high school because you gave her a PowerPoint, 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.280 you gave her eight hours to do it, so like. 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.360 Yeah, I didn't know. 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:29.360 I felt so bad, honestly I did. And I still 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.000 feel really bad because she was a really nice woman. 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.240 But like and that, you know, I was like, well, 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:34.640 is there a reason why she's like, well, I had 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.840 a couple of calls with people on the team and 0:05:37.080 --> 0:05:39.080 there was just a lot going on. And I said, honestly, 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:42.480 that was that was the lightest it's ever going to 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:45.640 be as an adamin. Like two phone calls and a 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:47.400 power point, it's never gonna get lighter. 0:05:47.800 --> 0:05:50.080 Yeah, you know you can handle it. 0:05:50.800 --> 0:05:52.760 Yeah, And like I said, I felt so bad because 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:54.320 I you know, it was you know, she just felt 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:54.960 like I didn't give. 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:56.640 Her enough of a chance. And I said, no, I 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:57.279 gave you a chance. 0:05:57.320 --> 0:06:00.480 You're asking for another chance, and I I just don't 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:01.600 think that I can do that. 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.680 So yeah, but it was really hard. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.360 I mean, I'm still kind of reeling from it because 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:07.880 I've never let go of somebody that quickly, and it 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.039 just felt, really it didn't feel good. It felt really 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:12.720 bad because I just felt like that I wish I 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.400 would have vetted so I wouldn't have disappointed, you know, 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.520 someone that I know she really wanted the job. But yeah, 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:21.839 so that was hard, but it was It was a 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:22.400 good lesson. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:25.919 Being nice is one of it is. It is a 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.440 very important quality you have to want to work with people. 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:32.400 But I have also learned that hard working butt head 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.200 is also super valuable every once in a while, or 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.720 just a hard working person who you know, forget if 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.040 they forget, if you want to grab drinks with them 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.000 after work, like do they get their work done and 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:45.320 they can rely on them like that is also really valuable. 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:49.240 Now like firing someone in twenty four hours, that's pretty savage, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:53.919 but I know, but I have heard multiple times like 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:56.640 you need to. You make a mistake, you acknowledge it 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.040 quickly and you get out like don't And this is 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:00.760 I mean, she caught you. This is a new year, 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:03.440 new you. You're heading into forty, like you said, wanting 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.800 to be more assertive and stick up for yourself. And 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.000 you know, too bad, she caught you in this moment 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:12.360 in your life and you don't suffer ridiculousness anymore. And 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:13.760 I'm really proud of you. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:15.800 Oh my goodness, I was like yo, even now my 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:17.160 stomach is like a lot. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.080 Yeah, yeah, No, it was hard, like I said it was, 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.560 it was hard, and cause like, yes, I've been in 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.320 situations where I've known that someone had to go from 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.320 the very beginning and I've kept them for two years 0:07:29.040 --> 0:07:31.240 because I just felt so bad and I just said, yeah, 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:32.200 I didn't want to do that anymore. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.840 But tell yeah, I was like, whoof? So I mean, 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:35.720 but I learned. 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.320 Good lessons about and even honestly, I I'm you know, 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.280 cause I know you are looking for writers. I don't know, 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.200 how do you how do you bet? Knowing I thought 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:46.280 I bet it till well, I don't know, like I 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:49.280 need some trips and like ticks and you know, like 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:51.720 about how do you really because people could say whatever, 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:53.280 but when it's time to do the work, how do 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:55.440 you know someone's really going to do the work and 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:56.720 work autonomously? You know? 0:07:57.320 --> 0:08:03.560 Well, we're big on guests. We're big on uh interview process, 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.120 rigorous interview process, and then at least a test where 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.600 you have to do the thing that we're hiring you 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:10.120 to do, whether you're a writer or an editor. There's 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:12.280 like a very and I try to make the tests 0:08:12.400 --> 0:08:14.800 really tough because it weeds out people who are just 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:18.480 casually applying, and it shows me that if you're motivated 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.720 enough to do this, you know, on your weekend time 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.440 or after work or whatever, you probably want this job. 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.360 And then once I get the test back, because we're 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:30.000 in content business, I don't I used to personally hire 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.160 every single writer. Now I have editors who hire their 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:34.240 own writers, But I tell them, you need to do 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:38.679 a really tough edit on that person, like unnecessarily tough almost. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.640 I mean, point out things that are that are that 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.760 are you know that you could be better, that they 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.720 could be better at doing, but really be tough on 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.640 them because they need to know what a tough edit 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:50.760 feels like. And you need to suss out how can 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.160 they take it because the biggest thing for me that 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:56.400 turns me off from writers is when they can't take feedback. 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.320 And the best writers often are the worst people to 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.400 work with because they get very precious about their words, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:07.280 and editors too. There's a lot of egos. So that's 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:09.840 my way of like suessing out someone's ego. I'm looking 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:13.679 for like ego and can they take feedback? Can they 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.439 take criticism because they're going to get it all day 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.120 air day on this team and they can't be super 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.559 precious about it. And I feel like for you, like 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.480 you should develop like what is like what is the 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:27.360 test for an executive admin? And can you put And 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:29.440 I always put a time limit on it, you know, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:32.760 however many hours I think is reasonable to see if 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:34.560 they can do it on time. And I think that's 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:37.400 important too. So if you came up with like the 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:40.679 executive admin stress test, you got to do a PowerPoint, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.600 You need to draft two emails you would draft to 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.719 a client who said this to me, like create like 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.640 a scenario for them. I did that when I was 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.200 hiring my number two. That was a really tough hire. 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:55.680 So finding someone who wants to have a senior role 0:09:55.720 --> 0:10:00.560 but not be the senior role, and basically someone who 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:02.840 can answer to it because what I do all day 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:04.600 is problem solve. People bring their problems to me. I 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.160 help them figure out how to fix them. That's like 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.000 my main job. Now, what I did is I came 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.199 up with the seven most common conflicts that I've popped 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:11.760 up in the last I don't know six months that 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.440 I could think of the really difficult questions I was asked, 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.160 the really sticky conflicts I got into and I and 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:21.320 I literally wrote, here's a scenario, what would your approach be, 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.280 and had them write a response like tell me how 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:26.880 they would have approached situation, And that helped me weed 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.240 out a lot of people. 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.360 No, I like that because I said that, I said, 0:10:30.360 --> 0:10:32.080 you know that what I should have done is that 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:35.480 I should have done like a paid kind of like 0:10:36.640 --> 0:10:40.280 two or three day work along so I can actually 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.120 see you in action, you know. Yeah, because I you know, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.920 because because that was like it's hard to kind of tell, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.120 because you know, everyone's amazing when you interview them, but 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:51.040 like to actually see you when they're like, Okay, the 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:51.880 emails are coming in. 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.760 And could you confirm my makeup on Tuesday? And could 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:55.560 you make sure. 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.760 You know no. But yeah, I mean it was a 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.839 good lesson, and I'm happy for the lesson. 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.000 I'm not happy that you know that I disappointed someone. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.160 Yeah, I mean I think you learn from it, and 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:08.400 I think you're right a paid like it's almost like 0:11:08.440 --> 0:11:11.679 having them freelance for a little while, which I think 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:13.160 makes so much sense. We do. And by the way, 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.080 people are listening and they're like, damn, this sounds like 0:11:15.080 --> 0:11:17.319 a lot of work, you know, for a job interview. 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:18.880 This is like, it's a lot. It's putting a lot 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:21.320 of work on people. We do pay for our edit 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.280 and writing tests, so we pay for your time and 0:11:25.440 --> 0:11:27.160 value it. But it's it's cheap to pay a few 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.120 hundred bucks up front and then y not hire someone 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.640 who will be a complete disaster later. You know, we 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:36.000 can eat that cost live. And it's like, my was 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:38.040 it Maya Angelou who said when someone shows you who 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:39.320 they are, believe in the first time. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.599 Ah, yes, yes, I know, I know, yeah I was. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:44.400 I wish you could see my face. I'm like, oh my, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:45.840 I'm like reliving in the horror. 0:11:45.960 --> 0:11:49.800 I feel that, I feel it. I feel it. Well, 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:50.680 that happened. 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:52.920 What's up with you? 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:55.400 Growth is uncomfortable, isn't it? 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:56.719 It is? 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:58.240 But you know it's also good because I know we 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:00.840 have so many, so many listeners that I kind of 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.280 hit us up about, like what can you do to like, 0:12:04.320 --> 0:12:06.920 you know, get a raise, or to negotiate or to 0:12:07.480 --> 0:12:09.760 you know, to find a new job. And so hopefully 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.360 that is that's helpful that you know, folks are looking 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:18.320 for people who can do the work with for the 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.679 most part, minimal interference, that you're not going to need 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.400 a lot of hand holding. And also too, I think 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:28.960 that most people who are hiring or looking for someone 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.800 are okay with mistakes being made, but they're not okay 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:33.600 with excuses. 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:37.480 Yeah, I mean, And I also think you have to 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.920 identify the roles on your team where you are will 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.840 you do you will tolerate a learning curve, and you 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:45.200 will tolerate mistakes, and there's some roles where you are 0:12:45.320 --> 0:12:47.920 very like you're like way less tolerant. And then yeah, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.719 it's kind of like it's like when you identify what's 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.800 entry level, what's mid level, and how much handholding do 0:12:53.840 --> 0:12:55.520 I expect this person to need. 0:12:56.160 --> 0:12:58.560 Because like customer support, Like let's just say this was 0:12:58.559 --> 0:12:59.520 a customer support role. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:01.200 Say it wouldn't been a big deal. 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:03.880 It would have been like especially if this person was 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:06.600 like a millennial, it'd be like, hey, because we we 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.280 we hire young people a lot, and sometimes they come 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.360 in and they do a little misstep, and but we're 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.640 here to coach and guide you and customer support, there's 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:15.120 a lot of. 0:13:15.160 --> 0:13:16.280 Room for growth. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.280 Or if you're on the you're on the social media team, 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.319 where it's like well that's you know, that tone is 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:22.640 probably not the kind of post that we want. 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:24.319 But these are places where there's space. 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.080 But but you know, like I cannot coach the CFO 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.560 like this. You have to know, like DIRS is going 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:32.840 to need this paperwork. 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.880 You know what I mean? Like there's certain certain roles 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:36.160 on a team where. 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.560 You know, and my executive admin honestly is is I 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:41.840 mean arguably one of the most important roles on the 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:45.840 entire team, because it is it's what keeps me to 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:48.719 be able to like navigate all that we have to do. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:53.160 And so there there isn't much room for for not 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:56.920 much room for error, but there's not much room for coaching. 0:13:57.000 --> 0:13:58.400 You have to come with a lot of the skill 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.880 set already there and and then we show you kind 0:14:00.880 --> 0:14:03.360 of like what our specialty skills are that are necessary, 0:14:03.400 --> 0:14:04.360 but you have to come with a lot of. 0:14:04.280 --> 0:14:05.200 That stuff for yourself. 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.200 Like I said, if this was customer support, she would 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:10.760 still be here, but not in this role. I was like, Yi, 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.600 I don't, cause quite honestly, it's stressful. I hired an 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.840 admin a few years ago and it didn't work out. 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.320 And the level of stress, when I tell you it 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:22.280 was like going to a therapist as like it was, 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:25.040 so I felt like I was having a nervous breakdown, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.000 and I realized part of it was I was not 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.960 receiving the proper support and I. 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:30.040 Was so overwhelmed. 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:32.320 I remember even my business part of Jabrill he said 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:34.800 at the time, He's like, Tiffany, I'm worried about you, 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.160 because he was in like Thailand or whatever. 0:14:37.200 --> 0:14:40.080 He's like, I messaged you at four am. You respond. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:42.640 I messaged you at one pm, you respond. I messaged 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.160 you at midnight because your bill's always all around the world. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:45.680 You respond. 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:47.440 He said, I don't know that I've ever messaged you 0:14:47.480 --> 0:14:49.680 in the last six months that you have not responded 0:14:49.720 --> 0:14:50.640 within ten minutes. 0:14:51.160 --> 0:14:52.840 That worries me. When are you sleeping? 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:54.880 And I couldn't because I was doing my job in 0:14:54.920 --> 0:14:58.080 her job, and I just was like, there's flashbacks of that, 0:14:58.120 --> 0:14:59.840 and I said, I can't go back there. Honestly, I'm 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:01.360 try out of a baby, and I'm supposed to be 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.840 wusa and zen and not stressed. And that's what I 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:08.000 was thinking to myself, that like that me getting the 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:12.800 right proper assistance is critical, not just professionally but personally too. 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.240 So so yeah, so when. 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.200 I think about it that way, I'm like you, No, 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:17.360 I know I made the right I already knew I 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:18.000 made the right choice. 0:15:18.000 --> 0:15:19.960 But it's like I can feel less guilty about it. 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:24.080 I believe this person exists in the world. They do think, 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:25.080 so you're gonna find it. 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.640 So sidebar if you if you're like, hm, hm to 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:29.800 I know somebody? You know somebody you don't have to 0:15:29.880 --> 0:15:32.600 I mean, ideally Jersey, it would be awesome. But honestly, 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:36.720 if digitallys it's is awesome too. If you know somebody 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:41.160 who would be amazing as an executive admin, not someone 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.400 who was like in transition, I'll be your admin for 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.360 six months, well like move on to something else. No, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:48.000 someone who really wants to be an executive admin, like 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:50.080 that's where they want to be. You know we we 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:53.280 have Honestly, it's an awesome team. 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:54.440 Do you have a job listing? 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.240 We did so I can, I can. I you know, 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:58.240 I can see if I can get it to you. 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.200 I'll get it from Karen, my COO, and we can 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:01.600 post it. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.040 But yeah, I mean, if you know someone, Honestly, at 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:08.360 this point, we could use a little a little boost. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:10.840 It sounds like a great a great job for like 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:16.040 a really high type a go get her college grad. 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.640 Yes, honestly, and it would be honestly, and we I 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:21.160 mean we were I give raises all the time, like 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.520 the team knows. As the company grows, we we we 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:27.680 give raises like it's not like, oh, we an annual raise. No, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.440 they can come quarterly, if not faster than that, depending 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.080 on how fast we grow. We go on an annual 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.240 trip every year that we that my business partner I 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:37.360 we paid for completely. We actually leave in like a week. 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.920 We're taking the whole team to Arizona and we're going 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:43.400 ATV and we got a bunch of airbnbs. I mean 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:47.080 like it's it's just an awesome environment of mostly women 0:16:47.160 --> 0:16:51.120 who are dope. And yeah, I just it's a great 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:53.760 place to work. Like I've really, I've really, honestly, I've 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:55.320 built the place where I would want to work. And 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.440 so we're just looking for someone who is super type 0:16:57.480 --> 0:17:00.600 A because I'm not. I need someone who is super organized, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:02.800 who is gonna be like, Tiffany, don't forget this, Tiffany, 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:03.880 I've already made that reservation. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.680 Tiffany, don't forget you have Superman's birthday tonight. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.879 You know, like someone who's gonna be really on me, 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:13.160 you know, but also easy to work with. And yeah, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:14.639 and if you want to learn, if you're like I've 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:16.119 always wonder to have a business or see what that 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.960 looks like. I mean, this is you get. You get 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.040 first hand seats on what it looks like. We're we 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:24.560 are a seventh figure of year business and by none, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.439 but I think by November we are on the cusp of 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:31.119 our first seven figure month, let alone years. So we 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:32.919 are growing rapidly and you can be a part of 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.760 that growth or somebody you know, so hit a system 0:17:35.800 --> 0:17:37.360 up if you can go to the budget lista dot 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:40.840 com and just click contact me if you're interested, because 0:17:40.960 --> 0:17:41.840 we definitely. 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:42.240 Need someone. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:45.359 Help Tiffany out. 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:48.760 I don't want to let go somebody at twenty four 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:49.240 hours ever. 0:17:49.320 --> 0:18:23.280 Again, shall we take some questions? 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:25.560 Yes, let's do it, all right? 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.640 I feel for this first listener, she wants to remain anonymous, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.080 and you'll find out why. She has a question about 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.200 her friends and traveling. I wonder if we know where 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:36.840 this is going? Eh? All right, so she says, here's 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.800 my question. We'll call her Sarah. I love to travel 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:43.439 with my friends, but they often tend to plan trips 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.359 that go far outside my budget. My budget for trips 0:18:46.400 --> 0:18:49.199 each year's three thousand dollars, which, along with miles, is 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:51.119 enough for two big trips a year and two to 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.240 four small domestic trips. Right now, my friends are planning 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.359 a trip that's totally nearly six thousand dollars, and they 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.960 aren't interested in any of my travel on a budget hacks. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:01.800 They want to spend money on things that I just 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.960 don't value, like a luxury hotel. This has happened before 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:06.920 when I've tried to plan trips with them. I love 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:08.920 them and I want to travel with them. How can 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:11.280 I make that happen? What can I do to get 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:14.760 them to try my idea of budget travel? Thank you? 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.520 I really feel this is a really common I feel 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.920 like everyone in their life has has had the friends 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:25.399 who want to go, you know, go big for a 0:19:25.400 --> 0:19:29.440 certain trip. You know, it's anyone who's ever been a bridesmaid, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.360 you know, the bachelorette party comes along, and it's always 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.080 freaking awkward because ever, you know, some people want to 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.080 go to Vegas and some people are like not financially 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:40.520 set to go to Vegas, and yeah, it's really difficult. 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:44.119 So first and foremost you are not alone miss Sarah. 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.200 Well, here's the thing. All my friends know I'm cheap, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:47.720 so they're like, girl, I. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:49.040 Mean, it's kind of like in your name. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.840 No, well, I mean it definitely has because I would say, 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:55.719 like my best friend Dream is definitely more so the 0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:00.200 fancy traveler than I am. So the truth is, you know, 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.680 I really don't go on that many trips together. I mean, 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.240 now I'm a little I'm a little bit more flexible. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.399 But for a while we did it. It didn't mean 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.160 weren't friends. It didn't mean we didn't hang out. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:11.800 We did. It doesn't didn't mean we didn't talk on 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:12.160 the phone. 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:15.080 It just meant when I traveled, I used, actually used 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.520 to travel every year with a friend friend of mine 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:22.360 named Madeline and Madeleine had a similar traveling profile. Like 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:25.080 Madeline was super low key, you know. 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:26.520 She was. It was all about the budget. 0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:28.560 And so I remember three or four years in a row, 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:30.840 me and Madeline went on a trip every year, and honestly, 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:32.600 Drena didn't feel any kind of way about it because 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:34.680 she knew she didn't want to travel in that way. 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.280 And then every once in a while the way something 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:40.200 would come up with the way I wanted to travel 0:20:40.240 --> 0:20:42.199 was similar in the way that Drina wanted to travel 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.280 and we would do that. So it's okay not to 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.359 travel with your friends. It doesn't make them less of 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.160 your friends, like it was crazy because Madeleine actually lives 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:54.080 in Newark, where I live, and when I tell you, 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.320 I never see Madeline in Newark, but then once a 0:20:56.400 --> 0:20:57.520 year we'd be like going to Paris. 0:20:57.560 --> 0:21:01.240 This here, let's do it like you was my travel buddy. 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.399 And so I'm also part of this travel group on 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:07.640 a brown Girls kind of travel group on a Facebook 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:11.399 called No Madness No Madness, and it's great because you 0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:14.640 can find other travel folks who want to travel like you. 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.960 And I've met so many amazing No Madness tribe members. 0:21:18.359 --> 0:21:21.640 So that would be my suggestion that you don't. If 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:23.399 they want to travel, lucks, there's nothing wrong with that. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.040 Let them travel LUs And if you don't, there's nothing 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:28.720 wrong with that. Find someone who fits your travel profile 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:32.160 and travel with them and then be friends with your friends. 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.000 But at home and in person. 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:37.400 No, I couldn't agree more. I mean, you you're letting them, 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.120 You're letting their habits make you feel bad for your 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:42.440 like I want you to stay on track. The fact 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:44.760 that you have a travel budget for the year and 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:46.720 you have it broken down by two big trips and 0:21:46.720 --> 0:21:48.760 two domestic trips. First of all, doing that for three 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:52.919 thousand dollars, that's amazing. You should be really proud, and 0:21:52.960 --> 0:21:55.000 they should be coming to you for travel tips. Why 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:56.560 wouldn't you want to save even if you have the 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.560 money to go LUs? But you know, if you want 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:01.720 to keep the with them, I think you're better off 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.399 just bowing out of these group trips if they're not 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.080 going to work to, you know, fit your budget. And 0:22:08.000 --> 0:22:09.359 I know I kind of get what you're saying, but 0:22:09.400 --> 0:22:10.920 I also feel like they're kind of not being good 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:13.080 friends if they're not going to try and you know, 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.760 try and compromise a little bit so that you feel comfortable. 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:18.520 Why wouldn't you want your friend to feel comfortable on 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:22.640 a trip? So I agree with Tiffany on that front. 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:25.639 I recently I wonder if you, I wonder how you 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:27.560 guys will feel about this, especially U tiff So I 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.240 recently I've been on this whole like pre baby bucket 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.159 list thing where I want to do see all the 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:35.480 Broadway shows and do my baby moon and all that 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.480 kind of stuff, And I invited two really good girlfriends 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:42.760 to see Mulan Rouge on Broadway, which I'm really excited about, 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:45.760 and they told me, here's our budget, and it turned 0:22:45.800 --> 0:22:50.200 out tickets were above that price point. I personally kicked 0:22:50.240 --> 0:22:52.120 in more money so that we can get better seats 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.040 because I am a Broadway snob and I only like 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.280 to sit where I like to sit, and where I 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:58.480 like to sit was just not in that price range. 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:00.800 But rather than make them feel bad, like I had 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:03.919 points on my card and I knew, I felt comfortable 0:23:04.080 --> 0:23:05.760 just kicking in more money so we can all have 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.919 a better experience. And I just did that so that 0:23:09.000 --> 0:23:11.080 I can be happy they don't feel bad about it. 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:14.439 I use my points. I don't care. And that's how 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:16.760 when I've been on the other side doesn't happen all 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:18.400 the time where I'm the kind of the one who 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:21.160 wants to spend more. I'm like, okay, fine, I'll kick 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:23.280 in more because I want you guys to come along 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.560 with me, and you know you're the people I want 0:23:26.560 --> 0:23:30.040 to see this show with. Yeah, have you done that before? 0:23:30.080 --> 0:23:31.520 Do you think that that was the right thing to do? 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:32.480 No? 0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:35.240 Yeah, well I've actually had friends do that for me. 0:23:35.440 --> 0:23:37.560 When I'm like, like, I have my other fancy friend. 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:40.760 His name is and that's how he is. And so 0:23:40.880 --> 0:23:42.640 we would I would say, at least once a month 0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.280 we would go out to dinner, and so Cabral would 0:23:45.320 --> 0:23:47.640 be like, oh, let's go here, and I'm like, Cabra 0:23:48.160 --> 0:23:48.760 the prize. 0:23:48.840 --> 0:23:51.280 He's like, I got it, and I'd be like wait. 0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.160 But so what it did, though, was that it showed 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.080 me that there were some things we're spending a little 0:23:56.080 --> 0:23:56.720 extra money on. 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:57.480 I'm not gonna lie. 0:23:57.600 --> 0:24:01.119 So Cabral has taught me that I'm still the budget nista, 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:04.280 but I'm the budgetnista that will sometimes splurge on luxurious 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.280 things for the experience of it. So there's value in both, so, 0:24:08.800 --> 0:24:12.040 you know, and as a result, I have been splurged 0:24:12.080 --> 0:24:14.200 on other people because of that lesson. 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:16.760 I learned from Cabral that sometimes it's okay to, like, 0:24:17.040 --> 0:24:17.840 you know, pay. 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.040 A little extra because Cabral is always, always, always willing 0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:23.159 to pay a little extra for the experience. 0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:27.000 And honestly, and it's about the experience. And it's also 0:24:27.160 --> 0:24:29.959 like when you're the friend who maybe who wants to 0:24:30.000 --> 0:24:32.320 invest more in an experience and you're like, you want 0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:34.520 to share the experience with someone. It's not fun to 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.119 be the one who wants to spend money on a 0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:38.000 luxury trip and then you go by yourself, like you 0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:42.159 want to bring people along with you. So I think, anyway, 0:24:42.280 --> 0:24:45.560 that's not really where this listener, Sarah is at on 0:24:45.600 --> 0:24:49.679 the side of the equation. But honestly, if you have 0:24:50.320 --> 0:24:53.480 told them respectfully and upfront about your financial issues and 0:24:53.520 --> 0:24:55.760 they're not willing to bend, you're either going to have 0:24:55.800 --> 0:24:59.399 to sacrifice your own finances and your travel plan for 0:24:59.440 --> 0:25:02.840 the year to to, you know, to match what they 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:04.639 want to do, or you're going to have to just 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.439 bow it out, bow out of this trip, and you 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:09.719 have to ask yourself what's more important to you, you know, 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:12.119 keeping your own financial plan on track. I hope, so 0:25:13.800 --> 0:25:16.479 we're going on this luxury trip, or maybe you decide 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.400 this trip sounds so phenomenal, you're going to take the plunge, 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.720 go on the expensive trip, and then maybe scale back 0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:23.880 your travel plans for the next couple of years as 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.680 a result. If that doesn't sound like a fair trade off, 0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:28.000 then I think you know what you got to do. 0:25:28.720 --> 0:25:31.920 It's just not always the most fun decision to make, 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:33.160 do you. 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:34.480 Want to take one more questions? Do you think we 0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:35.160 have some time? 0:25:35.800 --> 0:25:38.880 Definitely? Let's take a question. Let's see does she want 0:25:38.880 --> 0:25:42.280 to be anonymous? Now? Listener, this is on from Instagram. 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:44.439 Oh I didn't even mention to you guys. If you forgot, 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:47.679 we're on Instagram. At Brandonbis podcast. You can send us 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:49.760 a DM there to ask your question, or hit us 0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:53.639 up via email by going to brandnambisionpodcast dot com and 0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.520 clicking ask us anything. So this question is from listener 0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:03.040 Vanessa being mistreated by her account. She says, I have 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.000 two bank accounts. One has a direct deposit and the 0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:08.880 other account I use for online bill payment. This bank 0:26:08.960 --> 0:26:11.760 charges a ten dollars monthly maintenance fee, and the bank 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:13.399 says I can avoid the fee if I make a 0:26:13.440 --> 0:26:17.360 minimum of ten transactions per month. The ten transactions can 0:26:17.400 --> 0:26:20.359 be point of sale or online bill pay. What's the 0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.040 best way to make What's the best way for me 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:26.399 to make twenty qualifying transactions that won't cause me to overspend? 0:26:26.480 --> 0:26:28.640 Because she has two accounts and she has to make 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:31.520 ten transactions on each of them to avoid this ten 0:26:31.560 --> 0:26:35.399 dollars per month fee, she continues, I tend to use 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:37.199 cash for a lot of my purchases so that I 0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:40.240 don't get carried away with swiping my card and overspend. 0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:44.040 I need your help, Vanessa. Oooh girl. 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:47.480 So she's got two different banks or two different bank account. 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:50.360 The same bank, two different accounts with which both will 0:26:50.400 --> 0:26:52.720 charge her ten dollars a month if she's not swiping 0:26:52.760 --> 0:26:54.200 her card basically. 0:26:53.800 --> 0:26:55.119 Ten twenty dollars. 0:26:55.320 --> 0:26:59.200 Yes, we just tell her to get out of that bank, right, 0:26:59.240 --> 0:27:01.920 just leave your hat. There's better banks, Vanessa. 0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:07.800 Move from the gets out upgrade. Yes, no, yeah, honestly, yeah, 0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:10.840 that bank is wild, like which I mean, are they really? 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.240 Because most of these banks are like the worst to 0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:16.639 be all the way candid. But I think a quick 0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.680 Google search can show can find because usually sometimes a 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:22.440 bank will just say if you have a deposit right, 0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:23.480 like I know, sometimes you. 0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:27.840 Can avoid that get if you get your your paycheck 0:27:27.880 --> 0:27:29.360 direct deposit into that account. 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:32.359 Probably some of them have like you have to be 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:34.879 a minimum amount, you know, if you have direct deposit 0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:36.800 up to a certain amount. She have to look at 0:27:36.800 --> 0:27:39.160 her bank's fine print, because she does say she's using 0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.800 one of them to deposit her paycheck through and the 0:27:41.840 --> 0:27:46.080 other one for online bill pay. But she uses cash 0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.280 so much because she wants to avoid overspending. So you 0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:50.879 need to find an account that fits your profile. You 0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:53.240 need to find a bank that doesn't charge a monthly 0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:56.080 maintenance fees for keeping a low balance, that won't charge 0:27:56.080 --> 0:27:58.400 you ATM fees when you withdraw money, because it seems 0:27:58.440 --> 0:28:00.680 like you use cash a lot, and there's a lot 0:28:00.720 --> 0:28:03.239 of options out there. I mean I use Ally and 0:28:03.560 --> 0:28:05.320 the other day I just love going to a badiga 0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:07.560 ATM now because I'm like, yes, I will, you know, 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:09.760 pay that three dollar fee because Ally is going to 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:10.520 pick that up for me. 0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:13.080 I was just gonna say, I'm literally doing it. 0:28:13.119 --> 0:28:15.720 I did a Google search best free checking accounts and 0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:21.000 Allies definitely one of them. There's my Radius chime simple 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:22.840 these are still checking accounts. 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:25.879 Yeah. Those are a couple of new ones Via or 0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.000 is it vo I think it's v O v I 0:28:28.160 --> 0:28:30.399 a v io. They are a new bank, a newer 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:34.520 bank that's like really kicking the competitions, but with no 0:28:34.640 --> 0:28:39.120 fees and high high rates on savings. I'm going to say, 0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:40.680 you know again, I will post a link to a 0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.200 couple of places you can look for alternative bank accounts. 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:46.800 Even I bet your local credit Union has a better 0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:51.120 deal than the bank that you're with. Now there's better options, 0:28:51.120 --> 0:28:53.440 I would say, get out of there now, versus trying 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:55.600 to figure out how to like change your spending habits 0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:57.600 to fit their needs so they don't charge you money. 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:01.760 Mm hmmm, because it is just encouraging you to spend one. 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:03.560 I mean that's the whole point. They want you to 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:04.920 do that. You're like, we're not trying to do that. 0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.600 Nope, all right, thank you for your question. Again. We're 0:29:09.640 --> 0:29:12.320 on Instagram at Brandonbission podcast or hit us up at 0:29:12.320 --> 0:29:14.680 brandnibisionpodcast dot com. Ask us anything. 0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:21.520 Yes, Now it's time to boost a break for all 0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:22.280 our family. 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:27.160 Will you boost? Will you break? What will you do? Man? 0:29:30.080 --> 0:29:31.240 I feel like that was a good one. 0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:34.080 That was It was on tune I think and everything. 0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.320 It was good. 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:40.200 I'm yes, I'm. 0:29:40.040 --> 0:29:42.280 Gonna do boost. I might do to a quick too 0:29:42.320 --> 0:29:44.720 for quick too. For so one, I want to shout 0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:47.200 out to my workplace bestie. Who do you have a 0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.000 workplace bestie? You probably dream is your bestie and you 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:54.160 work together. Maybe it's not a traditional workplace bestie, but 0:29:54.320 --> 0:29:57.320 I recently came across this h the study by Gallup. 0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.720 Maybe it was a survey, but their research show people 0:30:00.720 --> 0:30:03.280 who have workplace best heeds. So having a best friend 0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:06.840 at work actually helps you do better over your whole 0:30:06.960 --> 0:30:10.360 your whole career. It's about having support, someone to bounce 0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.440 ideas off of, and feeling like you're more secure in 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:20.560 a professional setting. I wholeheartedly agree agree, Like I my 0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.440 best my workplace, one of my first one of my 0:30:23.480 --> 0:30:25.400 best friends I met at my first job in New 0:30:25.480 --> 0:30:27.760 York City and she has been like she was my 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:32.000 lifeline for that job for so long. So just shout outs. 0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.480 If you have a workplace best you give them a 0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:35.760 shoot him a text, tell them how much you appreciate them, 0:30:36.320 --> 0:30:40.840 how much you love them, et cetera. And my second 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:44.840 boost is gonna be I listened. So last week Tiffany 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:46.640 asked me, you know, when someone asked you that question, 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:48.320 they follow up with you on something that you know 0:30:48.360 --> 0:30:50.160 you should do, but you get a little defensive about 0:30:50.160 --> 0:30:52.320 it and you because you know you haven't done it yet. 0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.680 And last week you asked me if I contacted my 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.040 financial planner to tell her about you know, what's happening 0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:02.160 in my life. And you know, I'm only thirty weeks 0:31:02.200 --> 0:31:04.560 into this pregnancy, and my financial planner has no idea. 0:31:05.200 --> 0:31:07.840 So I emailed Helen last week and let her know 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:10.840 what was happening, and we have a call scheduled for 0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:15.160 next week to talk to me. I don't know why 0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:17.840 I was putting it off. I think I've just felt like, well, 0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:20.600 the money part, I got that down, like like as 0:31:20.600 --> 0:31:22.120 far as like a five two nine plan, I know 0:31:22.200 --> 0:31:24.280 what that stuff is. I'll figure it out. But the 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.080 more I got to thinking about it then where I'm like, 0:31:26.120 --> 0:31:28.480 maybe we should get our life insurance looked at. We 0:31:28.560 --> 0:31:32.120 need to. It'll just feel good to get the financial 0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:35.240 stamp of approval from Helen, you know, going into it. 0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:38.239 So there's like, like you said, sometimes like lately, I've 0:31:38.240 --> 0:31:41.000 been leaning into something that I call financial wholeness, which 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:43.760 is like it's not just I've got money in the bank, 0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:45.680 you know. It's like you said, like I found, like 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:50.120 through my own financial planner, like I'm severely underinsured. I'm 0:31:50.160 --> 0:31:53.080 like I need a succession plan that something happened to me, 0:31:53.520 --> 0:31:54.960 what happens to the businesses. 0:31:55.080 --> 0:31:57.000 So it's like I feel like, yes. 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.880 I know I've got money saved, but that's not enough 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:03.520 for me to have like a holistic view of like 0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:05.160 what I need to do with my money, like I 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:07.640 want you know, So that's what I like about, you know, 0:32:07.760 --> 0:32:10.560 having someone else, an expert, kind of come in and 0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:13.360 help me look at all aspects of my finances. 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:14.440 So yeah, I'm proud of you. 0:32:15.000 --> 0:32:16.719 Yeah, I'm going to get that life insurance right, going 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:20.480 to get my will set and just thinking about the will, 0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:22.560 I was like, wait, who is gonna who would get 0:32:22.600 --> 0:32:25.400 the child? And then of course I'm hormonal, so I 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.360 start crying thinking about us dying. It's really sad. 0:32:29.440 --> 0:32:30.280 Well, yes that is. 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.720 Any other pregnant women listen, because I've confirmed us with 0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:36.320 two friends of mine. They confirm it's. You have really 0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.600 dark and twisty thoughts when you're in your third trimester, 0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:42.880 Like I imagine our deaths in several different ways, like all 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.120 the time. It's it's very sad. The hormones, man, the horrmone. 0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:49.160 Yeah, hormones are something else. I tell you. 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:51.000 They're the devil is what they are. Okay, you go 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:52.160 booster to break. 0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:55.320 I'm going to boost, but first I'm going to send 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.960 a little shout out to Dream, my bestie. Well she's 0:32:59.000 --> 0:33:01.000 actually in Mexico right now, getting married. I couldn't go 0:33:01.120 --> 0:33:06.120 because Zica is real and my IVF doctor was like, Sis, 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.880 so we've come this far, we're about to do another 0:33:08.920 --> 0:33:11.920 cycle and I need you not to get Zica. So 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:16.320 it was sad, but you know, I just I couldn't 0:33:16.360 --> 0:33:18.600 take the risk. So it's like I'm looking at all 0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:19.640 the pictures and stuff, but I want to. 0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:20.760 Shout her out and say her and her. 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.640 She's been with her her boo KB since they were 0:33:24.720 --> 0:33:28.000 like fourteen fifteen, and they're such a cute couple. They've 0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.720 got adult baby who's not a baby, he's four. But yeah, 0:33:30.720 --> 0:33:33.440 so they're awesome and just happy wedding. It looks amazing. 0:33:33.880 --> 0:33:37.600 My sisters are there, and then I want to just 0:33:37.640 --> 0:33:41.600 get a boost to Today is my business partner, Jabrill's birthday. 0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:44.880 And there are some people in your life that are pivotal, 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:47.840 like they came into your life and your life is 0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.080 not the same, whether in a terrible way or an 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:50.760 amazing way. 0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:51.960 And honestly, I have to. 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:56.920 Say that Jabril is a pivotal He when I look 0:33:57.000 --> 0:34:00.120 back as to when my life took a turn, he 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.880 is one of the people. It's like Jirell, my husband, 0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:06.440 you know, like my you know, I don't know, like 0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:07.440 my college best. 0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:08.080 Friend, you know what I mean. 0:34:08.400 --> 0:34:11.640 But Jabrill, my business partner, is definitely one of those people. 0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.000 Not that I wouldn't have been successful on my own, 0:34:15.160 --> 0:34:16.320 but the truth of that there. 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.480 Is I didn't think I didn't think I deserved to 0:34:19.520 --> 0:34:20.319 be or that. 0:34:20.760 --> 0:34:25.160 I don't know, man just have this weird sense of overconfidence. 0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.920 Well they're just like, well, but it is amandy. 0:34:29.560 --> 0:34:32.879 When I tell you, like Jabri ive, when I first 0:34:32.880 --> 0:34:34.520 met to Grill, I mean I was barely scraping by 0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:35.799 and he was like, yeah, we're gonna make a few 0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.000 million dollars. And I was like, okay, crazy person, I 0:34:39.040 --> 0:34:41.879 don't know what are you talking about. And now that's 0:34:41.880 --> 0:34:44.759 what the company does. And I remember him saying, yeah, 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.359 wait till we get to a million dollars a month, 0:34:46.360 --> 0:34:49.800 and I'm like, that doesn't these crazy words, and like November, 0:34:49.840 --> 0:34:51.680 we are on track to make that in November. 0:34:52.239 --> 0:34:52.879 And it's just. 0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:58.160 It's both definitely annoying that he's right, but also it's 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:01.200 really he has really taught me to look beyond myself 0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:04.680 and my own perceived limitations, and so that's what I 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:07.360 really like. Men in general just tend to think like 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:09.719 that it seems like and so Jabrill always has like 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.279 and so the other day because he's already glossed over 0:35:12.360 --> 0:35:14.040 a million dollars a month and he's like, yeah, I 0:35:14.040 --> 0:35:15.799 can't wait till we get to our million dollar day. 0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:19.960 And I'm like, what sor what are you talking about? 0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.960 But now I'm deep enough in it that I know 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.400 that that is more than just a possibility, we can 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:29.680 do it. And so I'm just really grateful, not because 0:35:29.680 --> 0:35:33.400 of the money, but because Jabrill has helped me to 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:38.719 unlock like the superpower in me that says that it's possible, 0:35:39.040 --> 0:35:41.400 it's more than possible, it's probable, and I put in 0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:44.359 the work and it's you know, we're capable of doing 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:46.279 these things. And so I'm just grateful for him coming 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.560 into my life because, like I said, I feel like, 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.000 if not, I would be Tiffany that still works equally 0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.640 as hard but doesn't get as far ahead because I 0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.240 just couldn't see it not for me anyway. 0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:00.840 You know. So happy birthday, Jabrill. You're the dopest. 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.520 If you want to, you know, feel bad about your life, 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:06.279 go ahead and follow him on Instagram. He's Jabril eight. 0:36:06.560 --> 0:36:08.600 It's a eighty eight I think Jibril eight he traveled. 0:36:08.640 --> 0:36:11.439 He doesn't even live anywhere. Jabril like lives the world. 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.480 He's really one of those people you know, like the 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:15.960 fake people you see online and you're like, yeah, right, 0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:17.879 you travel to all these different countries and don't really 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:21.000 live anywhere, and like have this amazing life. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.239 Now that's Debrell in real life. It's so Jabril eight 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.040 like that. Literally, I could be talking to Jabrill. He's like, 0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.440 I've in China and then the next week we have 0:36:29.480 --> 0:36:31.560 our team meeting. I'm like, is that a giraffe? 0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:35.880 Yeah, I've been Zimbabwe And you're like, what, Like, we 0:36:36.080 --> 0:36:38.160 all aspire to be Jabrill when we grow up, and 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:40.320 he's so easy going and chill, but he's a beast 0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:42.879 in business. So happy birthday to you, my brother from 0:36:42.880 --> 0:36:45.000 another mother. I am grateful for you and I love 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:46.080 you like direct deposit. 0:36:46.840 --> 0:36:49.319 No I should we all. I wish we all had 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.080 a Jabrill in our lives. And it may not be 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:54.200 a guy, but I'm telling you, my little brother, I 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.960 hope he doesn't listen to this podcast. He is so 0:36:57.040 --> 0:36:59.839 obnoxious sometimes because all you know, for example, I got 0:36:59.880 --> 0:37:01.640 I got a job offer and he was and I 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:03.279 told him what it was, and I thought I was, 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:05.320 you know, being the big sister, like very impressive. He's like, 0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:07.400 you're gonna ask for equity or no? And I was 0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:11.360 like I was not. I was not gonna ask for equity. 0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:14.880 But now you know, it's crazy. 0:37:14.920 --> 0:37:16.719 I remember the first time he did that. We work 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:18.920 with the company. He was like, so we really like equity. 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.719 And I'm looking at him like bruh, like your wile 0:37:22.800 --> 0:37:23.799 and and they were like you know what. 0:37:24.000 --> 0:37:27.080 Okay, And he looked at me like Tiffany, now I 0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.360 deserve it. And I just, ah, can you imagine to 0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.279 be a mad I just. 0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.840 I hate it. But you need you need people with 0:37:35.040 --> 0:37:36.360 forget if it's a man or you need a man 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.160 or a woman. Need some balls in your life to 0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:40.160 like push you in business for real. You need a 0:37:40.200 --> 0:37:42.279 hype man, you need a hype woman whoever it is, 0:37:42.320 --> 0:37:43.200 to think bigger than you. 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:44.280 I exactly. 0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:46.440 And there are definitely are women out there who definitely 0:37:46.440 --> 0:37:48.160 carry that with them, but I just for me, it 0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:51.080 just was difficult to see past that. So yeah, like 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:53.919 I you know, if you're a woman who rocks out 0:37:53.960 --> 0:37:56.520 like that, I'm like, oh my god, Like what you 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:57.120 know how. 0:37:57.000 --> 0:37:58.320 Did you get untrained? 0:37:58.320 --> 0:37:59.680 Because I feel like girls are taught to be a 0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:03.279 poe and quiet and small and not to go for 0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.040 it because that's that's unlady like and not feminine, you know. 0:38:07.280 --> 0:38:10.439 And it's to get equal pay, like we can't even 0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:12.759 we can't even dream of getting like the dollar to 0:38:12.840 --> 0:38:15.080 the dollar for the you know, for what a man earns. 0:38:15.080 --> 0:38:17.440 And now it's like so thinking beyond that. You're right, 0:38:17.480 --> 0:38:19.879 We're just we have to we need people who think 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:24.320 differently to rewire the way that we perceive ourselves. Beautiful, 0:38:25.239 --> 0:38:26.239 happy birthday, brill. 0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:30.480 Yeah, well that's our sizzo. 0:38:30.600 --> 0:38:31.600 And honestly, I'm not playing. 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.080 If you think you could be an awesome executive admin 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:37.720 full time, or if you know somebody who'd be awesome. 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.880 The budget lista dot com, click the contact me button 0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:43.759 and I'll send you, like you know, what we're like, 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:45.080 the list of kind of things that we have a 0:38:45.080 --> 0:38:47.160 listing somewhere, and I'll send you what we're looking for. 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:51.319 And yeah, you guys are awesome, as per usual. It's 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:55.279 been awesome chatting with you, Mandra as per usual. I 0:38:55.320 --> 0:38:55.680 don't know. 0:38:55.760 --> 0:38:57.759 I love this show. It just gets better and better. 0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:59.840 I love when y'all stopping on the street and you 0:39:00.040 --> 0:39:01.240 not even like budgeties anymore. 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:02.120 They're like bredhibition. 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:06.400 I'm like, whoa, you know, I get recognized too sometimes, 0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:08.799 but please try? Could you please not catch me at 0:39:08.840 --> 0:39:10.640 like six o'clock when I'm sweaty trying to catch the 0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:16.359 train though, that's when it always happens. I'm like, yeah, yes, 0:39:16.400 --> 0:39:16.840 it is me. 0:39:18.440 --> 0:39:19.920 And then they forced a hug on me. They're like, 0:39:20.040 --> 0:39:20.920 heard you hate hugs. 0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.720 Here you go, girl, Okay, I feel bad for encouraging 0:39:24.760 --> 0:39:25.360 that behavior. 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:26.560 No, no, honestly, I don't mind. 0:39:26.560 --> 0:39:28.920 It has made me like a more of a huggy person. 0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.799 And they're like and one for Nandy. I'm like, she's 0:39:30.840 --> 0:39:31.360 not getting this.