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Speaker 4: the first day of pads today. That's always a kind

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Speaker 4: of a milestone day in training camp. The first day,

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Speaker 4: Just like I said that, they put full pads on

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Speaker 4: and the physicality begins. So it's Mike Dussault, It's Paul Perillo,

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Speaker 2: We'll be here for as long as they have.

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Speaker 4: Us, covering practice and talking about what we see. So, guys,

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Speaker 4: first day of pads, how is that different from everything

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Speaker 4: else we've seen so far?

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Speaker 5: Physicality, clearly is is the first part of it.

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Speaker 3: And listening to the players late last week, it sounded

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Speaker 3: like they're all anxious to get out there and actually

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Speaker 3: maybe hit a little bit. Key on White especially, seems

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Speaker 3: like he's looking forward today, hoping the offense runs a

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Speaker 3: lot on him, you know, seeing the practice plan. Get

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Speaker 3: ready going to start in the high red zone and

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Speaker 3: work your way right down onto the goal line there

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Speaker 3: at the end. So it should be a pretty physical practice,

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Speaker 3: a lot of hitting, a lot of you know, the

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Speaker 3: snap of the pads and the helmets as we like

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Speaker 3: to hear.

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Speaker 4: So last week we had Mike Onwenu on Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 4: and he was talking about, you know, when you're an

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Speaker 4: offensive lineman early in camp, you're not wearing pads, there's

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Speaker 4: nothing to grab on to. They know our cadence, so

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Speaker 4: it's not surprising that maybe the defensive lineman had a

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Speaker 2: No excuses today.

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Speaker 3: That right, right, No, No, we'll see some one on

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Speaker 3: ones as well, which are always fun and maybe not

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Speaker 3: real football for you know, the poor defensive backs are

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Speaker 5: On an island.

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Speaker 3: But certainly the defensive line offensive line, those one on

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Speaker 3: one pass rush drills interested to see, you know a

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Speaker 3: little bit of the younger pass rushers. I'd say Evan

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Speaker 3: and I were talking last week after Saturday's practiced about

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Speaker 3: Chase on those guys have been really active. So that'll

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Speaker 3: be the exciting position groups to watch. Certainly Will Campbell today,

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Speaker 4: So you're your two big guys going into camp was

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Speaker 5: You're doing you're not doing too well? No, and you

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Speaker 5: big up Jalen Polk. They'll be great to you know,

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Speaker 5: see if he's able to get out here.

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Speaker 3: Not great that he missed the first four days of

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Speaker 5: And it's a jam packed wide receiver room.

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Speaker 3: So the sooner he gets back to or his chances

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Speaker 7: And you know, I'll be the offensive line guy for

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Speaker 4: And it really is critical. It's hard to judge the offense.

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Speaker 4: If the offensive line isn't doing his part, you just

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Speaker 7: Yeah, there's so much that goes into it, you know. Obviously,

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Speaker 7: of those more disguised or scheme type of plays, when

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Speaker 3: I'm just going to say we've spent so much time

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Speaker 5: Of course, we'll Campbell fourth overall pick.

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Speaker 5: They have signed Wes Schweitzer in the offseason.

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Speaker 7: Right, it's so much easier when you have that interior too,

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Speaker 7: because the tackles then then you can just do the

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Speaker 7: then it just makes your tackles jobs a whole lot

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Speaker 7: even looking at you know, you mentioned Ladon Robinson. Kden

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Speaker 7: Wallace is basically exclusively repped at guard yep in this

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Speaker 7: So does he get in on the left guard competition?

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Speaker 7: and you have Bradberry at center.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned Wilson, like we've seen him at guard

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Speaker 6: Well, and he also talked about after practice on Saturday,

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Speaker 6: able to play all three of those spots. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 6: just comes with the territory. He talked about doing some

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Speaker 5: We haven't really seen him there. He worked in.

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Speaker 5: So far it doesn't seem like he does.

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Speaker 4: That mean he has left guard nailed down? I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 5: That's exclusively where we've seen him, and.

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Speaker 7: He's got the inside track. Yeah, I don't know if

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Speaker 7: he hasn't. He's the current leader in the clubhouse in

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Speaker 7: that competition, and I think it's his job to lose.

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Speaker 7: Comes the real stuff, right, you know, here comes the

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 4: All right, So even though it's the first day of pads,

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Speaker 4: that doesn't mean they'll be one hundred percent hitting at

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Speaker 4: they call it some some programs they call it fudding.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, yeah, well.

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Speaker 3: There should be some thunding, like I said, And they're

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Speaker 3: Those are always good competition. Who's going to win the day?

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Speaker 3: You know, they'll probably be one or two reps who

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Speaker 3: are all right, this is it, they're down.

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Speaker 5: Who's going to make it. So it's not only just

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Speaker 3: I think this brings out the competitiveness overall and a

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Speaker 3: maybe to show up a little bit more than they

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Speaker 5: Days when it's so much on the mental part of

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Speaker 9: But we'll see how much do they do that right

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Speaker 4: when he does, we're going to go to him live

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Speaker 2: He said he's excited about the first day of pads.

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Speaker 5: Sure on't a player, right, I'm sure this is is fair?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, back back in my day, they're in pads in

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Speaker 7: Mike Rabel, you were a rookie with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 8: I believe in your first padded practice you might have

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Speaker 5: Should I assume that you don't want your rookies doing that.

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Speaker 10: So I don't anticipate any of that. I want us

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Speaker 10: celebrate with each other. Offensive unit, get excited and celebrate

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Speaker 7: Did you at least win?

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Speaker 1: I think I did.

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Speaker 8: It's it's a good story about.

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Speaker 2: Don't use the fight.

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Speaker 8: But the about a veteran player.

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Speaker 10: Greg Lloyd was a very dominant player, imposing figure. And

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Speaker 8: The entire offseason. We go to training camp.

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Speaker 10: You know, there's a fight with me and a tight

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Speaker 8: After practice and I see this like shadow come over me.

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Speaker 10: Voice and he's like, yeah, the next time you want

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Speaker 8: And I was like, you just now are going to

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Speaker 10: So it's a good example of just a veteran making

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Speaker 7: But you felt with the foundation field, you can't so

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think so, you know this will be you know,

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Speaker 8: It could just get sped up.

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Speaker 10: Be good for us to move on to that situation

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Speaker 11: Mike, as you share that story and talk about the

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Speaker 10: Now think that that was a Greg that was a

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Speaker 10: And Greg probably took it a little to to to extreme.

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Speaker 12: Right after all these OTAs in the first four days

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Speaker 10: I just think coming off of a day off, I

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Speaker 10: So this is just another important step throughout the process

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Speaker 8: Go ahead, don't you what's it going to come to.

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, he has an energy to him, There's

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Speaker 10: And but it's it's great to have him back, just

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Speaker 9: Mike, if you were in our shoes, what would you think,

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Speaker 9: you'd say? You know, you guys should really watch this.

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Speaker 2: You've been doing this for a long time. You know

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Speaker 8: I mean if I was the part of the media. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: Oh, that's absolutely a matter of time.

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Speaker 2: He already did stuff with Felger fifteen years ago.

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Speaker 13: As soon as I'm done with this, I'm gonna be

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Speaker 13: will never find me. All right, Well, if you decide

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Speaker 8: You know, to me, it's it's it's critical at a

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Speaker 10: To make contact.

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Speaker 8: There's going to be a stealmate.

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Speaker 10: There's two professional players lined up across from me each other,

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Speaker 10: I just don't think that that good teams end up

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Speaker 10: I think that translates to the field, to the game.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me right where you know?

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Speaker 10: You don't you're not standing ten yards behind the ball,

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Speaker 10: You're coming from the sideline, and we're communicating the personnel

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Speaker 8: Those are the types of things right now that we're

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Speaker 2: The list to be having a pretty strong camp.

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Speaker 5: So what have you seen from him when you have

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Speaker 9: Some one on one that passors result a little bit

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Speaker 4: How much of that period is for experimentation with new

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 10: I do think that that's probably a great question. One

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Speaker 10: For him to say, you know, that's not something that

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Speaker 10: Right, you're trying to have a couple of different pitches,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very very.

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Speaker 10: Very comfortable player. I would very similar to Kevin Byron.

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Speaker 10: They were making checks and everything else and running and

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Speaker 8: look back on the table and we'd.

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Speaker 10: Go for every one of our offensive linemen is that

447
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Speaker 10: we're getting into the line of scrimmage when we're running it,

448
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Speaker 10: we're standing inside out when we throw it. You know,

449
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Speaker 10: it's going to be the same for every offensive lineman

450
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Speaker 10: that we have. You asked me a question about Mill Williams.

451
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Speaker 10: I'm going to tell you the same thing for every

452
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Speaker 10: defensive lineman. You know, we're going to coach.

453
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Speaker 8: Them all the same.

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Speaker 10: And continue to do what we've been doing here the

455
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Speaker 10: first couple of days, Mike.

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Speaker 12: When we talked to the guys to the offense here,

457
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Speaker 12: players and coaches, very few of them have experience in

458
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Speaker 12: Josh McDaniels playing for him and his offense. What's that

459
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Speaker 12: like having kind of a whole team learning the offense

460
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Speaker 12: and system together.

461
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Speaker 10: Lost people to stay engaged, and there's modifications that we

462
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Speaker 10: make and you know we'll do that defensively and offensively.

463
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Speaker 10: It put something in and then and then you always

464
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Speaker 10: have the ability to adjust it. And you know, Josh's

465
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Speaker 10: working well and they're all working well together offensively about

466
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Speaker 10: how we want to get things done. Yeah, and that's

467
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Speaker 10: I think when when something's new, you put a little

468
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Speaker 10: bit more time into it just so that you can

469
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Speaker 10: kind of get the details and you don't maybe take

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Speaker 10: things for granted.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: All right. That's Mike Rabel up at the podium.

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Speaker 4: Was going to talk about his fight when he was

474
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Speaker 4: a rookie, but he talked a little bit about it

475
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Speaker 4: at least the Greg Lloyd put, you know, shocker that

476
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Speaker 4: Mike Vrabel kind of told fight his woki here.

477
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Speaker 6: So that's a story that he told on our show

478
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Speaker 6: on Patriots All Access, you know, with his sit down

479
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Speaker 6: interview with Scott Zolac that aired on Friday night, And yeah,

480
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Speaker 6: he was it was out of nowhere.

481
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Speaker 9: He just sort of.

482
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Speaker 6: Talked about getting to a little scrap with a one

483
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Speaker 6: of the tight ends and that was what led Greg

484
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Speaker 6: Lloyd to finally sort of say, Okay, this guy's worth

485
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Speaker 6: investing in, right, and he started to offer some tips

486
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Speaker 6: to Mike come.

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Speaker 4: Up under the You know, so, Greg, I'm not surprised, like,

488
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Speaker 4: actually hurt your teammate sounds like an under a Tippett

489
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Speaker 4: story to me.

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Speaker 5: That's that's something Tip would do.

491
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Speaker 2: Well.

492
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Speaker 4: Tip would do a like sweep. The guy would be

493
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Speaker 4: down on the ground in like two seconds. Yeah, okay,

494
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Speaker 4: anything else you gleaned out of that.

495
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Speaker 7: Just a little bit about Pop Douglas. I know that

496
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Speaker 7: those off season war we tend to hand out quite

497
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Speaker 7: a few of those sometimes, but he's been somebody that

498
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Speaker 7: you know the question I think is Mark Daniels who

499
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Speaker 7: asked the question. He has definitely stood out the first

500
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Speaker 7: four days of practice, and it's not surprising to hear

501
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Speaker 7: that he was an active participating in the off season

502
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Speaker 7: because he's having a great start to camp. So just

503
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Speaker 7: hearing that and kind of, you know, cementing that the

504
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Speaker 7: team is also pretty pleased with where Pop Douglas is,

505
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Speaker 7: I think is good to hear.

506
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is.

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Speaker 4: I would say of all the receivers not named Diggs, yeah,

508
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Speaker 4: he stood out the most.

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Speaker 6: He's been the best receiver period, including digs. Yeah, I

510
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Speaker 6: agree with everything Evan just said. We talked about it

511
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Speaker 6: on our podcast after practice on Saturday. I think he's

512
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Speaker 6: been active in every practice, not just with a little

513
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Speaker 6: shallow crosses like add or around the line of scrimmage.

514
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Speaker 6: He's found some soft spots and zones. I think that

515
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Speaker 6: particular part of it is important for Josh McDaniels because

516
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Speaker 6: one of the things that we always hear about is

517
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Speaker 6: how slot receiver friendly it is with.

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Speaker 9: Josh mc daniels.

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Speaker 6: And I think what Douglas has shown a little bit,

520
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Speaker 6: probably as a result of his offseason work, is a

521
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Speaker 6: better understanding at the start of camp of the McDaniels

522
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Speaker 6: offense than well what I think a lot.

523
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Speaker 4: Of other people will weap it now he's been able,

524
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Speaker 4: Now he's going to be able to use.

525
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Speaker 6: Is That's what I get for trying to give a

526
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Speaker 6: serious piece of analysis.

527
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Speaker 7: I remember last year Alex van Pelt talking about the

528
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Speaker 7: fact that his offense really didn't feature the slot and

529
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Speaker 7: that when they had Pop Douglas and he was like, well,

530
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Speaker 7: we got to find a way, you know, to morph

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Speaker 7: this offense him.

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Speaker 9: Well, this offense with Josh McDaniels.

533
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Speaker 7: We know features the slot and we know he's going

534
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Speaker 7: to be a big part of it. So the fact

535
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Speaker 7: that he's picking up some of the minutias that Paul

536
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Speaker 7: was talking about, I think it is a really good sign.

537
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Speaker 7: I mean, even the touchdown that he caught from Drake

538
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Speaker 7: on Saturday, the big play at camp so far. Having

539
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Speaker 7: those instincts to play playground football and take off deep

540
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Speaker 7: and get yourself open behind the defense there and finish

541
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Speaker 7: that play is also a good sign, just between the

542
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Speaker 7: chemistry between those two guys, So that all good stuff.

543
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Speaker 4: I know it's way too early to figure this out,

544
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Speaker 4: but let's just say that Douglas is able to establish

545
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Speaker 4: himself as a slot receiver of this team. How does

546
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Speaker 4: that affect Diggs? Because a lot of lately, a lot

547
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Speaker 4: of his production has come underneath it hasn't, you know,

548
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Speaker 4: It's been a shorter pass. So what does that do

549
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Speaker 4: to the spacing and what you do with Diggs if

550
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Speaker 4: now you do have a true slot receiver.

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Speaker 3: I just think Diggs is still your every down, go

552
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Speaker 3: to guy, regardless situation. And I think Pop will benefit

553
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Speaker 3: from having a guy like Diggs, and maybe that's what

554
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Speaker 3: we're seeing a little bit of him causing the defense.

555
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Speaker 5: To need to put a little bit more attention on

556
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Speaker 5: that player.

557
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Speaker 3: Still, I think Pop is a really dynamic, talented player,

558
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Speaker 3: especially in man coverage, So you got to feel really

559
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Speaker 3: good about if he does just come off the bench

560
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Speaker 3: for third downs when you got to have it those

561
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Speaker 3: kind of moments to.

562
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Speaker 5: Give you a little bit of a boost.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's really primarily been Booty, Digs and

564
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Speaker 3: and Pop in the slot, and that's been the primari

565
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Speaker 3: top three. And they're probably going to play a lot

566
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Speaker 3: of eleven personnel, especially with Louston Hooper out that affects

567
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Speaker 3: a little bit right now.

568
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Speaker 5: Of how they use their packages.

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Speaker 3: So you might be getting a little bit of an

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Speaker 3: outside view of popped up this right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I really like the idea of those two guys together,

572
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Speaker 7: honestly because you know, not to get in in the alphabet,

573
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Speaker 7: but like if Digs is your Z right and he's

574
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Speaker 7: sort of your move piece and he's the guy that's

575
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Speaker 7: you know, off the line of scrimmage and moving around

576
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Speaker 7: and then Pops in the slot, like you kind of

577
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Speaker 7: have a first and second level of your of your

578
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Speaker 7: passing game there where you know, sometimes it might be

579
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Speaker 7: Pop going to the second level and digs going underneath,

580
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Speaker 7: and then it'll be digs going deeper and Pop going underneath,

581
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Speaker 7: and similar to maybe what we saw with like Edelman

582
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Speaker 7: and Amondola right like number one, something like that, you know,

583
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Speaker 7: and I think that that actually they can play off

584
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Speaker 7: of each other really well. The question that I would

585
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Speaker 7: have is who's going to be the base receivers because

586
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Speaker 7: Pop is not going to play in like heavier packages

587
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Speaker 7: on first down and run situations soon twelve personnel twenty

588
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Speaker 7: one one personnel, So that's going to be Booty or

589
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Speaker 7: it's going to be a Javon Baker maybe, or it's

590
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Speaker 7: going to be a.

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Speaker 9: Matt Collins, you know, someone like that.

592
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Speaker 7: It's not going to be Pop because Pop's really going

593
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Speaker 7: to be your third receiver, your slot in those eleven

594
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Speaker 7: personnel sets.

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Speaker 2: So something move for deuce.

596
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Speaker 4: Because we saw Jalen Pope coming on the field with

597
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Speaker 4: a helmet in pads.

598
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I also saw Josh Minkin's obviously not as high

599
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 6: profile a player, but he was on NFI.

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Speaker 9: He's in uniform as well.

601
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Speaker 6: But yeah, I think sometimes after an early off day,

602
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Speaker 6: you see some guys come back so good to see.

603
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Speaker 6: You know, still time didn't miss that much of practice,

604
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Speaker 6: so there's still time.

605
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Speaker 9: For a polk to play. Case they still hope, Deuce,

606
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Speaker 9: still hope.

607
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Speaker 4: And you probably saw a helicopter taking off of the background.

608
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Speaker 4: I would assume that's the owner or one of the owners.

609
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Speaker 5: It wasn't mine.

610
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Speaker 2: No, I'm surprised he's leaving drop off.

611
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Speaker 5: Maybe just to drop off.

612
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Speaker 2: Could could have been just dropping them off.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, okay, plex Yeah, so if Pop is a

614
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Speaker 15: slot afton Chishm, is he uh relegated to the practice squad?

615
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Speaker 9: If that's the.

616
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Speaker 3: Case, Yeah, you know, it's it's funny you say that, right,

617
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Speaker 3: I mean, we talk about there's a lot of guys

618
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Speaker 3: in the depth chart. I just Watchingthton Chisholm, and I

619
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Speaker 3: haven't seen him. You know, he hasn't done a lot

620
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Speaker 3: obviously with the top offense at all, but he just

621
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Speaker 3: moves really well, and I think that's what's intriguing to

622
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Speaker 3: me about him. I don't know if that's enough to

623
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Speaker 3: truly tell you that this guy could could possibly play

624
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Speaker 3: in the league. But with the logjam at wide receiver,

625
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Speaker 3: it's really hard to see how he can get in

626
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: there and get opportunities. But when I just watch him

627
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Speaker 3: two drills, he just runs like he's got a good

628
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Speaker 3: tight stride.

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Speaker 5: He's quick. You can tell he understands, you know, how

630
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Speaker 5: to get open. So I we'll see.

631
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Speaker 3: I know it might take an injury for him to

632
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Speaker 3: get an opportunity, but I like the physical still set

633
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Speaker 3: with that guy.

634
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's definitely efficient out there. There's not a lot

635
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: of wasted motion.

636
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Speaker 2: He's uh, he's not all over the place.

637
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, good route runner, Yeah is he is?

638
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Speaker 7: He more like Edelman developmental track where he's sitting behind

639
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 7: a more veteran player and maybe it's popping this instance.

640
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 7: And so he's here, but it takes him, well a

641
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 7: couple of years or an injury or something like that

642
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 7: to get on the field.

643
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 2: Well check me on this.

644
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Speaker 4: But when Edelman got here his first year, there wasn't

645
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Speaker 4: a lot of talk a lot there wasn't a lot

646
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Speaker 4: of talk about, oh look at Edelman, you know, because

647
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 4: Welker was here and and you know, the focus was

648
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Speaker 4: on the established wide receivers.

649
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Speaker 2: But would you agree.

650
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Speaker 6: In the preseason, I think had a very slow start

651
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 6: to his first training camp. He was mishandling a lot

652
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 6: of punts and looked like he was having a hard

653
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Speaker 6: time playing a little bit too fast, needed to sort

654
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Speaker 6: of settle down. But Evan's right. On the first preseason game,

655
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Speaker 6: he made a huge splash and yeah, he never stopped. Yeah,

656
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 6: I think well.

657
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Speaker 4: In terms of receiver, though, it was a couple of

658
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Speaker 4: years before they said, okay, we got to start seeing

659
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Speaker 4: if he could beat out Welker.

660
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Speaker 9: Wasn't even wasn't even on barfase right like Danny A.

661
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 7: Mendola was kind of signed to really do it, and

662
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 7: an Edelman just unperformed a Mendola. But that I could

663
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 7: see that for Chisholm too, you know, whether it's an

664
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 7: injury or something like that that he's around, but he's

665
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,239
Speaker 7: not there and he's kind of in that pipeline and

666
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Speaker 7: it's might take him a year or two to actually

667
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 7: start to get opportunities in games.

668
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 2: Does Chisholm contribute to special teams?

669
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 7: He can return punts. I don't know if he's as

670
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 7: straight line fast as Edelman was. Certainly didn't run as

671
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 7: fast as Edelman in the forty but that's not everything.

672
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 7: But he's quicker, you know, not the quicker than Edelman,

673
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 7: but he's quicker, not fast, and he's got a.

674
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 9: Nice little jump cut to his game after the catch.

675
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 9: But he doesn't pull away from a lot of guys.

676
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: Because you know, that's the way to establish yourself is

677
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: contribute on special teams.

678
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: If it's somebody at that level for sure.

679
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 3: That's I mean, that's why I said, it's just hard

680
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: to get opportunities right now. Right now, if you're Jalen

681
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 3: Polk or Avon Baker or even Kendrick Bourne to an extent,

682
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: you're you know, making the most out of every opportunity

683
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: you get because they're somewhat limited at this point. So

684
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: Kendrick Bourne is an interesting guy to me. Is he

685
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 3: you know, does he have a fit? Josh has worked

686
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 3: with him before, talked about twenty one. He had a

687
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: good season, He was on pace for a really good

688
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 3: season a couple of seasons ago before he got hurt

689
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 3: last year coming back but still had some plays.

690
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 5: So he still see.

691
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: I think he's looked faster.

692
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,959
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's it's just born.

693
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: I think he's looked faster.

694
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 6: I think I think Bourn's quick. I think he's fast.

695
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 6: I think he's I would keep him. I mean, if

696
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 6: if we're talking I'm trying really hard not to do this.

697
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 6: If we're talking Efton Chisholm or Kendrick Bourne, I don't

698
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 6: really think that we're talking about the same thing.

699
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, well the same college.

700
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 6: You know, if you want to move on because you

701
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 6: think Borne is sort of not part of the long term,

702
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 6: then I'm fine with that.

703
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 9: But they're not in the same class.

704
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm glad that dude's mentioned Javon Baker because, like,

705
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 7: I feel his path to the roster is actually a

706
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 7: lot easier than like a Jalen Polks because they just

707
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 7: don't have a ton of outside guys, like they have

708
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 7: a ton of slots or zas or inside receivers. If

709
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 7: you're Jalen Polk, you're competing with Diggs, you're competing with Pop,

710
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 7: You're competing with Bourne, maybe even like Kyle Williams a

711
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 7: little bit, Like there's just a lot of that type,

712
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 7: that body type, whereas like Javon Baker is really only

713
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 7: competing with Kishon Boody.

714
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 9: That's really it.

715
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 7: And you know, obviously Matt Collins will be here. But

716
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 7: I don't think that they're taking reps away from younger

717
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 7: more like higher upside players for Mac Collins. So that's

718
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 7: the big thing to me is with it's the types

719
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 7: of receivers and like Javon Baker, if he can play

720
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 7: better than Kaishan Boody, then he could maybe make this team.

721
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 9: Like I was talking to Mike a little bit on Saturday.

722
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 6: We didn't mention it on the podcast, and not that

723
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 6: it was like this earth shattering great practice, but I

724
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 6: thought Baker showed up for the first.

725
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 9: Time on Saturday. We hadn't really seen much of him.

726
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 6: At all the first three days. I didn't think you

727
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 6: got targeted.

728
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 9: If at all.

729
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,239
Speaker 6: But he made a couple of catches on Saturday, one

730
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 6: on a deep ball, one on a nice thought. He

731
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 6: ran a great route on a third down on an

732
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 6: out route to the far sideline. Looked very you know

733
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 6: my thing, you know, very Patriots like play execution was there,

734
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 6: and we haven't seen a lot of those plays with

735
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 6: ja Von Bakers. So yeah, maybe, you know, a little

736
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,959
Speaker 6: bit of a slow start, Maybe he's coming on. We'll

737
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 6: see if this is something bigger to build on, or

738
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 6: if he's still in the background.

739
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 4: If you're wondering why you're looking at us and not

740
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 4: the field, there's only certain periods we're allowed to film.

741
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 4: The practice has broken up into periods, and I believe

742
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 4: today we're allowed to film periods three through six, So

743
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 4: I think they're on period one or two right now.

744
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

745
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, sort of they set up what they're going to

746
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 6: be doing at practice and they don't want that necessarily

747
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 6: on film.

748
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, anything else.

749
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Say, I've been chipping away at the tenants here so far,

750
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: I haven't really caught anything, any absences of note just yet, so.

751
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 6: I am not really even closet.

752
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 9: I can't really see.

753
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: You can't see like half the field, but you see,

754
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 3: I did catch more than Moses as well as Ramondre Stevenson,

755
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 3: who fed We pointed out on the on the post

756
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: game sorry the post practice camp cast. Never really seen

757
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 3: two guys come out to practice midway through kind of

758
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: do their own little warm up and then just hop

759
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: right into team drills, which is what Moses and Stevenson

760
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 3: did on Saturday.

761
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 6: Yeah.

762
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 7: I was hoping that somebody's gonna ask Verable about that,

763
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 7: not till I put them on the spot. But just

764
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 7: we don't know, like what, like, what what's the plan

765
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 7: there and what's the thought process there? Because I've never

766
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 7: seen that uh, two players that didn't stretched and do anything.

767
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 9: And then just middle of the practice they both showed up.

768
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 7: They did a little warm up, the two of them,

769
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 7: or Mare and Morgan Moses. The next thing I know,

770
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 7: I look up and they're in eleven on eleven Right.

771
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: Is Remondre dealing with anything?

772
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 9: Not that we know of.

773
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't think it's too much of

774
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 3: a stretch to look at those two players though, and say,

775
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 3: these are guys that you want to limit the amount of.

776
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: I'm just ware if they had like a little extra

777
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 4: it's possible training stuff downstairs. And then they came up

778
00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 4: and kind of eased them themselves back ask questions.

779
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 5: Definitely possible.

780
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 3: I mean Moses has been on a little bit of

781
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 3: his own plan anyway, just with rotations and yeah, but

782
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: for the most part, every time there's a first team

783
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 3: rep and the drill starts off, he's in there right right, Yeah,

784
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 3: And I think we're.

785
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: Gonna see that throughout camp with him. You know, he's

786
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 4: thirty four. They want to preserve him. They don't want him,

787
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: you know, wearing out in the summer. They want him

788
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 4: ready for September.

789
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 3: So that's especially Matt Max Crosby waiting on September seventh

790
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: or whatever it is.

791
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 7: My eyes on Morgan Moses a little bit though, because

792
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 7: I do think just in general, it's just been a

793
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 7: little bit of a slower start to camp from him.

794
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 9: He hasn't really participated fully.

795
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 7: And look, we all penciled him in like as this

796
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 7: guy's going to be our right tackle.

797
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 9: No questions asked, and I still feel that way. But

798
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 9: he is thirty four. You know, he did come off

799
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 9: knee injury last year. They would it'd be nice to see.

800
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 7: Some reps from him and pads and see how what

801
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 7: he looks like at this point, because it hasn't always

802
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 7: been perfect.

803
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: And when it's not him, it's been Trey Jacobs right.

804
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, and a little sprinkling of you know, Marcus

805
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 3: Bryant at left tackle as well.

806
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 5: Uh, you know, just getting some of those young guys reps.

807
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 5: I haven't spotted at Carlton Davis yet, but yet I

808
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: do not have him checked off yet, so he's been

809
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 5: in and out.

810
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 9: But I have a lot of guys that don't have

811
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 9: checked off.

812
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 6: But I'm sure here, especially offensive linemen, they're way down

813
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 6: that when they come out, they always come up the

814
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 6: other side, and it's just way out of my range.

815
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 5: I'm too old ready at the back.

816
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: I got you binoculars.

817
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 9: You wouldn't you get me.

818
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 2: I gave you a pair of binoculars.

819
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,439
Speaker 4: He got me binoculars I gave Did I not give

820
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 4: you binoculars.

821
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 9: Not that I'm aware of.

822
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 5: Honestly, I thought it was last year you got some

823
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 5: old ones.

824
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gave you my binoculars.

825
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,879
Speaker 6: You know, you gave it to me in like two

826
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 6: thousand and three. I remember, I tell you what the

827
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 6: score was in the game that he gave it to me.

828
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 4: But last year, and I don't I don't dycall it.

829
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,440
Speaker 6: I did not give them away. You gave them to me.

830
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 6: They're in my desk somewhere.

831
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: I'll check.

832
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 5: I'll have to.

833
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: Effort that, all right. I mean, do we have to

834
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: give you a Lasik eye surgery?

835
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 9: You try to get it that doctors doesn't recommend it

836
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 9: to you?

837
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 5: Will really eyes are already fallen upon it.

838
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 9: You're too old to be a jedi.

839
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,239
Speaker 6: He says, I could do it for you, and you'd

840
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 6: probably need lenses on them within five years, So it's

841
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 6: he didn't recommend it.

842
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 9: I'm not seeing seven. I don't see seven.

843
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 11: Uh see, all the other TV's are a little bit

844
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 11: spaced out right now, So maybe he's hiding somewhere, but

845
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,479
Speaker 11: I did not see him.

846
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's just I'm going to guess that he's he's

847
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 6: dealing with some sort of like soft tissue kind of

848
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 6: deal because the only time we've seen him the last

849
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 6: now this has been the fourth practice, was the walk through, right,

850
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 6: So there's no real running there. That's just everybody's that's

851
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 6: eligible is out there, you know.

852
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 9: That was that was the only outlier.

853
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 4: That's why I'm kind of surprised we're seeing because he

854
00:35:58,760 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 4: wasn't even there for the walk through.

855
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 9: But he wasn't allowed to be there for the walk time.

856
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 6: Oh okay, well the guys he's on the list though

857
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 6: the guys on lists were oh no, he's not on

858
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 6: the list.

859
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 9: Wasn't on the list.

860
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 6: That okay, let me take that back, so let's go

861
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 6: back to I'm good call.

862
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 4: And so the fact that he wasn't there for the walkthrough,

863
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 4: it surprised.

864
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,399
Speaker 2: Me that the first time we see it's full time.

865
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 2: It's full pads.

866
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 9: Yeah me too. Yeah, I mean, maybe he's like, all right,

867
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 9: I gotta to get out.

868
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'll see what his workload's like today. Is

869
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: he getting eased in or is he just jumped right in?

870
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: I mean they said he I think the report was

871
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: he had some muscle soreness, but I don't know if

872
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 3: that was in the shoulder that he had surgery on.

873
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound right to me. They don't think muscles.

874
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: So he passed. He passed the physical. Yeah, so shoulders

875
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 3: should be good to go.

876
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 6: I guess it's you know, and when you're dealing with injuries,

877
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 6: sometimes you're not able to do as much cardio as

878
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 6: maybe you want to. I wonder if maybe it's just

879
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 6: general muscle soreness, you.

880
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 9: Know, I don't know. It seems like a long time

881
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 9: to be dealing.

882
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: With that, right, especially to hop right in with Pads

883
00:36:58,400 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: that the shoulder was an issue or that was the

884
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: thing holding him back.

885
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 5: Unlikely to throw him right to the Woltz right now.

886
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 5: But we'll see.

887
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 4: Let's move over to the we talk a little bit

888
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 4: about Carlon Davis, but let's move over to the defense,

889
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 4: because we've been focusing on the offense yesterday, not yesterday,

890
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 4: but Saturday. I think it was for Able talked, you know,

891
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 4: some lengthd about Splain and how he likes his energy,

892
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 4: his communication, his violence in the run game.

893
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: Is this guy a candidate for captain he's not already captain?

894
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 9: Yeah, I would absolutely say yes.

895
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: I mean, I think if you listen to the micd

896
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: up that we put out, it's just clear he is

897
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 3: taking the reins with this defense. He's a guy that's

898
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 3: worked hard to get to this point. It seems like

899
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 3: he's very excited to really feel like he has a

900
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 3: home here after bouncing around, you know, from Tennessee to

901
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh to the Raiders and now you know, a three

902
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 3: year deal for him here.

903
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 5: He stepped right into this role and has just.

904
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 3: Become that instant middle linebacker in the middle who's making

905
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 3: the calls and adjusting guys and encouraging guy and setting

906
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: the tone. Right from the start of practice, I saw

907
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 3: him get his hands on a couple of balls. Last

908
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: practice on Saturday saw him free run right in on

909
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: a blitz as well.

910
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 5: And I think that's the biggest thing for me with Splaine.

911
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 3: It's just you know, we know, tackling machines, but is

912
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 3: he making plays, is he getting hands on is he

913
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 3: defending passes? Is he getting tackles for loss, is he

914
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: getting into the backfield, is he forcing fumbles? Those are

915
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: the things that can truly make him, you know, a

916
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 3: special player for this defense in addition to being the

917
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 3: intellectual leader trying to get everybody on the same page.

918
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: But from what the guys have all said about this

919
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: scheme now is it's very simple.

920
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 5: They just want you to play fast.

921
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 3: There's not a lot of sit there, figure it out,

922
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 3: decipher it, and then go get it. It's you know,

923
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 3: go get it and figure it out later. So I

924
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 3: think he fits that really well. Milton Williams does, Christian

925
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: Barmore does, and I hope Keyon White does as well.

926
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 3: That to me, and key On White said it himself

927
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 3: that he said his best when he's not thinking and

928
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: he's just playing. So hopefully he can understand this scheme

929
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: and Keon White can just play and really have that

930
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: breakout year that I know a lot of people think

931
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: he can have this.

932
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 9: Who is the player, the defensive player that said that

933
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 9: they call him the commander. I think it was Marcus Jones.

934
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 6: Marcus Jones, Yes, they call Spalaine the commander, so clearly

935
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 6: he's in charge. I mean that comes with that position

936
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 6: a little bit. It's kind of like the quarterback of

937
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 6: the defense. But we've seen it. We've seen Splaine, you know,

938
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 6: looking like he plays fast and has a jump. You know,

939
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 6: it's been a couple of nice plays in coverage of

940
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 6: the day. Also got beat a couple of plays pretty

941
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 6: badly in coverage on some of those running back routes.

942
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:29,439
Speaker 9: But he's an active guy.

943
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 6: It's hard not to notice his energy just when you

944
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 6: watch practice, the way he comes out like, it's hard

945
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 6: not to notice his energy.

946
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I think you know, I'm sure and understandably

947
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 7: so not not a lot of people have we're combing

948
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 7: over Raiders tape over the last couple of years, given

949
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,760
Speaker 7: what has happened with that team, But he's been somebody

950
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 7: that has been underrated, you know, kind of sneaky good

951
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 7: for a while.

952
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 12: Now.

953
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 7: It's obviously played for Rabel in Tennessee, so he's very

954
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 7: familiar with this defense, and it's stepping into a familiar

955
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 7: defense for him. So I can understand how he's already

956
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 7: has the calls down and already has all that communication down.

957
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 7: So him and Harold Landry, I think are two guys

958
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 7: that are going to be captains and going to be leaders.

959
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 7: Maybe Landry a little bit more of like a quiet

960
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 7: leader compared to Splaine. But I think those two guys

961
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 7: are here for partially because of that, to kind of

962
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 7: be circle the wagon guys, for the staff and for Verbel.

963
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:23,879
Speaker 3: I like how you said that about Landry. That's what's

964
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say surprised me. I didn't have any preconceived

965
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 3: notion of him. But he just seems like a serious

966
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 3: guy who goes about his business. He's always out here

967
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: really early, you know, seems just ready to carry over

968
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 3: what he did in Tennessee and slip right into this mold.

969
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 3: And you can see why Vrabel went out and got

970
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: those guys. Some transition going on with the defense. But

971
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 3: that's at least two pieces right there that know what

972
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: they're doing, They know all the calls, and they bring

973
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 3: a degree of familiarity with this defense.

974
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: As you can see, we've got our cameras now turned on.

975
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: On the field, there's your quarterback, Drake May's quarterback.

976
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 8: I give him a.

977
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: B maybe B minus. So far, this.

978
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 5: Tough.

979
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 6: This this may be a first in the history of

980
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 6: the program. I am higher on Drake May than Fred

981
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 6: for the first four days of practice, Okay, I thought,

982
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 6: you know, I guess I was a little bit alone

983
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 6: on this take. I thought he made more difficult passes

984
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 6: on Saturday, even though they weren't all complete, than he

985
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 6: did the first three games days combined, when everybody was

986
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 6: talking about how efficient the offense was. It's just not

987
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 6: really overly impressed when screens and little dump BoFs are

988
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 6: getting completed, right. I was impressed with some of the

989
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 6: He threaded one in to Henry On like a deep

990
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 6: over route. I think, before you yell at me, before

991
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 6: you yell at me, that was over the linebacker in

992
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 6: front of the safety.

993
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 9: I mean, the throw couldn't have been any better.

994
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 6: I thought the ones that he missed were largely the

995
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 6: result of too much pressure. There's too many guys in

996
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 6: his face and he's trying to throw on this. I

997
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 6: just thought, given the amount of time that he spent

998
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 6: throwing the ball down in the field on Saturday, that

999
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 6: the completion presentage is not going to be, you know,

1000
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 6: in the high eighties like it was the first three days.

1001
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 6: I thought, he's I think he's throwing the ball really well, yeah,

1002
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:09,799
Speaker 6: really well.

1003
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 7: To get a lot more out of a practice in

1004
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 7: like Saturday, then I feel like you got out of

1005
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 7: the first couple of days, even though the stats might

1006
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 7: look better from the first couple of days, like he

1007
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 7: was actually opening it up and they were trying to

1008
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 7: push the ball down the field more and be more aggressive.

1009
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 7: Call it, you know, watching it from up here, just

1010
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 7: like calling a bunch of shot plays as well that

1011
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 7: were purposely meant to go down the field, unlike the.

1012
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 9: First couple of days.

1013
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 7: So if you can take what he did in the

1014
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 7: first couple of days and then sprinkle in what they

1015
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 7: did on Saturday, now you have an offense.

1016
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 6: You get efficients and the big play capability.

1017
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm talking about to throw it at Pop

1018
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 7: Douglas like I've I've been like I've been thinking about

1019
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 7: that for two days.

1020
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 9: That was that, you know, I mean, it's unbelievable. Flicked

1021
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 9: his wrist and.

1022
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 7: He flicked his wrist off one foot and through its

1023
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,720
Speaker 7: sixty yards on a dime like that. That is the talent,

1024
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 7: the arm talent that he has. That is just unbelievable.

1025
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 9: And I'm like, show you guys listening.

1026
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 6: You know, you guys all got a chance to see it,

1027
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 6: because I know we had the video that we put

1028
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 6: out there through our social channels, so you got a

1029
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 6: chance to see the level of difficulty on the play.

1030
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 6: It wasn't just a run of the mill while he

1031
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 6: ran by everybody, you know, like now they had an

1032
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 6: ad lib.

1033
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 9: They bought time.

1034
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 6: And then May specifically said, that's one of the things

1035
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 6: that he's really focusing on.

1036
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 7: That was that was like Josh Allen esque, like that

1037
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 7: was that looked like well you would see in Buffalo.

1038
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 9: That was a hell of a throw, Like you.

1039
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 6: Got nothing there, they got the play stopped and all

1040
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 6: of a sudden, they're in.

1041
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 9: The end zone.

1042
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 3: I find myself questioning a lot because I feel like

1043
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 3: you're inherently every NFL team right now probably feels fairly positive.

1044
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that any NFL team's coverage has got

1045
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 3: in the four days of practice at a good point.

1046
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: You know, oh god, it's over, guys. And certainly they

1047
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: are going to be teams that are terrible this year.

1048
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: And I felt that way, you know, every year, whether

1049
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: it was you know, a couple of years ago when

1050
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: they lost a couple of four win seasons, or even

1051
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: when they know made the playoffs in twenty twenty one.

1052
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to like measure like because Saturday's practice,

1053
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 3: to me, was one of the most fun training cramp

1054
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 3: practices I've seen, maybe in recent memory. I can't remember

1055
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 3: one where it was back and forth. You had some

1056
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 3: pressure from the defense, you had some nice sacks where

1057
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 3: you know, you might look at it as all that's

1058
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: concerning about the offensive line. Then you also see, you know,

1059
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: the offense making some plays down the field, and all right,

1060
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 3: well that's good for the downfield. Maybe we're contumbled to safties.

1061
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 3: Just back and forth.

1062
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 5: It was balanced. It comes down today.

1063
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 4: It all comes down to the nature of what they're

1064
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 4: trying to accomplish that day. And you know, they were

1065
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 4: trying to go longer, and like Evan said, take those plays.

1066
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 4: That's going to bring down your stats because you don't

1067
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 4: complete as many of those.

1068
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: But that's what they were trying to do. That's why

1069
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: you know, you look.

1070
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 4: At these training camp statistics and there's no context to them.

1071
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 2: You know, what were they trying to do that day?

1072
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 4: When he's fourteen or fifteen, All the passes are under

1073
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 4: sixty yards, So yeah, you better be fourteen to fifteen, right,

1074
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 4: And if you're doing.

1075
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: What they did Saturday. It's unlikely that they're gonna be.

1076
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 7: But you know, like I think the hope is if

1077
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 7: you do what they did on the day that he

1078
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 7: was fourteen for fifteen and get him more of those layups.

1079
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 7: It's not going to all be on his shoulders to

1080
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 7: make the throw that he made the pop Douglas to

1081
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 7: get them in the game, right, And so that that's

1082
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 7: the hope is that you can combine those two things.

1083
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 7: And I know there's a lot of chatter on Paul

1084
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 7: shows about whether or not they're gonna reel him in

1085
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 7: and like reel.

1086
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,760
Speaker 9: In his gun slinger in his running ability.

1087
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, and I hope that that doesn't necessarily happen.

1088
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 9: I think it's funny.

1089
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 7: And I know we pick on your guys a lot, Paul,

1090
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 7: but like they get on like, you know, he doesn't,

1091
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 7: you know, Felger doesn't think that that running quarterbacks are good.

1092
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 9: It's like who was in the Super Bowl last year?

1093
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 9: Who won? It's amazing the super Bowl last year.

1094
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 7: Jalen Hurts right in the super Bowl, right, you know,

1095
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson was in the AFC Championship game.

1096
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 6: I'm sure he thinks of Josh Divisional Jackson as losers

1097
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 6: because they haven't won seven titles, right, but like, despite

1098
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,399
Speaker 6: the fact they've won more games in the NFL over

1099
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 6: to the last five years than anybody else.

1100
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 7: Every year, the final four, the final eight, like seven

1101
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,959
Speaker 7: of the eight quarterbacks are a dual threat.

1102
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 9: Like they're like, that's just the lead.

1103
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 7: The Super Bowl matchup last year was Mahomes versus Hurts,

1104
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 7: two guys that are athletic and can move around. So

1105
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 7: I get it, Like, you don't want the Lamar Jackson. Like,

1106
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 7: our offense is built around the quarterback run.

1107
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 4: And we've talked about this in the past on this show.

1108
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: Everyone says, oh, well, NFL is an offensive league. Now

1109
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 4: all the rules are you know, skewed to you know,

1110
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,440
Speaker 4: score points. But the defenses are more complex now than

1111
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 4: they ever were catching out right, and you need that

1112
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 4: quarterback that can do both to keep the defenses honest.

1113
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 4: If you have a pocket quarterback who's not mobile in

1114
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 4: today's NFL with the speed on defense, it makes it

1115
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 4: too easy.

1116
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 2: It makes it too easy.

1117
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 4: You get that quarterback who can extend plays on third down,

1118
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 4: you think you had it a third and eight and

1119
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 4: he runs for the first.

1120
00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: It's a backbreaker. For the defense. You need that. You

1121
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 2: need that threat.

1122
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that you have to do it all

1123
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 4: the time, but you need that threat to keep these

1124
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 4: fast defenses honest, because defenses aren't as bad as we

1125
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:11,399
Speaker 4: think they are.

1126
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, and I get the I get what Felger's point

1127
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 7: is about the design run. It's like, oh, Lamar Jackson,

1128
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,920
Speaker 7: that zone reading and read options and things.

1129
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 9: Like, you don't want to that doesn't You don't want

1130
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 9: that to be the.

1131
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 5: Foundation of your eye gimmicking.

1132
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 6: Also in his defense, not that you know, his arrogance

1133
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 6: needs to be defended.

1134
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 5: He's got to show it to But he also says.

1135
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 6: Like he thinks of Mahomes' mentality as being ideal, like

1136
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 6: a guy who can run but generally doesn't waste it

1137
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 6: in the regular season.

1138
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 9: It's when there's a big game.

1139
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 6: In the fourth quarter or a playoff game he he

1140
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 6: tends to run a little bit more to pick up

1141
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 6: that key third and eight when he needs it, as

1142
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 6: opposed to as Evan said, the Lamar Jackson is gonna

1143
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 6: run for twelve hundred yards and maybe that's not necessarily

1144
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 6: the better.

1145
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: I'd say all that, all that said, I think today's

1146
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 3: really interesting day for Drake May when starting the red zone,

1147
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,280
Speaker 3: tighter windows.

1148
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 5: You heard Brabe will say it.

1149
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 3: Maybe, like Evan said, we'll see some of the mobile

1150
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,919
Speaker 3: quarterback stuff down near the goal line.

1151
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 5: But you know, I want to see Drake throw some

1152
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 5: strikes today.

1153
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 3: I want to see some throwing with anticipation of windows

1154
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 3: and you know, see that part of his game.

1155
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 5: How much does that improved?

1156
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 3: Is he able to throw some touchdowns in some of

1157
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: these periods that I think he'll have about, you know,

1158
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: eighteen reps. So it's not you know, it's not a

1159
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 3: huge sample size in practice, but he'll have some opportunities

1160
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 3: for sure.

1161
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 4: I know Paul will say, you can talk about your

1162
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 4: backup quarterback on your own time, but do we have one.

1163
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 9: I like Josh Dopps. I like his mentality.

1164
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 7: Like if I like this mentality, if you have a

1165
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 7: veteran quarterback, and I would agree with that. It's like

1166
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 7: Brian Hoyr is the same way, like just rip it,

1167
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 7: like what like don't go out there and like be

1168
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 7: conservative and and like worry about pitt and throwing picks

1169
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 7: like you're on the team for a reason.

1170
00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 9: You're a backup quarterback to be you know, a mentor.

1171
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 7: A veteran voice in the room for a young quarterback

1172
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 7: like Drake may And I like that he comes out

1173
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 7: here and kind of lets it loose a little bit.

1174
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 7: Hoyer was a great practice quarterbacks.

1175
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,439
Speaker 6: I would say Dobbs is not afraid to throw into

1176
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 6: one of those defensive team meetings. But that said some

1177
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 6: of the level of difficulty on some of his completions

1178
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 6: off the charts, that little like soft spot in his

1179
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 6: own like the little hole shot.

1180
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 9: Yeah, he's done that like four times.

1181
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 6: A couple of them have been to to Mario Douglas

1182
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 6: where those those throws are not easy to make.

1183
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 9: So yeah, I mean he's been up and down. He's

1184
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 9: he's a backup. Yeah, so you're.

1185
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,080
Speaker 6: Going to have some up and down play. Otherwise he'd

1186
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 6: be someone start. Yeah, But I do like his mentality.

1187
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 6: I like the way you can lead that off I think.

1188
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 6: I think Brissette is widely regarded as a tremendous professional.

1189
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 9: I think last.

1190
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 6: Year he felt like he was going to get the

1191
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 6: season to be the starter and maybe have a chance

1192
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 6: to one last grasp at showing someone that he can

1193
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 6: be someone's starter, and then he didn't get it. And

1194
00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 6: I don't think he was great in terms of the

1195
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 6: other stuff that you were hoping to get when once

1196
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 6: he became the backup. I think you will get that

1197
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 6: from top.

1198
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:02,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a little poudy.

1199
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Speaker 4: I think that first game against Sinnati just screwed everybody up.

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00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 2: You know, it really did it.

1201
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 5: You know expectations.

1202
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we're looking at the offensive line right now,

1203
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 4: there's sixty six little Campbell.

1204
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I thought that. I think Will Campbell's off to

1205
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 9: a solid star.

1206
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 7: He's the team drills has been a little bit up

1207
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 7: and down for him. He's gotten beat a couple of

1208
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 7: times in pass protection, but I thought he had a

1209
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 7: good run of one on ones on Saturday. I think

1210
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 7: with the offensive line always it's like one play that

1211
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 7: sticks out to you where he gets beaten. He has

1212
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 7: ten good reps and one bad and that's all you count.

1213
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 7: But I think he's been as advertised I would say

1214
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 7: so far, like not perfect in pass pro and has

1215
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 7: some things to work on there, but for the most part,

1216
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 7: has been solid.

1217
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 4: If you're wondering what that was, funny things on everyone's helmet,

1218
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 4: those are the guardian padding that they put on and

1219
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's mandatory, but I think a

1220
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 4: lot of players like wearing those in practice.

1221
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 7: I believe they are mandatory for positions like the trench,

1222
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 7: positions like positions in the thick of it, like tight end,

1223
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 7: pull back, offensive line, defensive line.

1224
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, to buy to by walking up the backside.

1225
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 3: Not not in pads, No, not in pats. I just

1226
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,799
Speaker 3: saw him walking up the backside with without anything on.

1227
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, I guess, uh, maybe a setback for him

1228
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 3: from that calf injury that he experience.

1229
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, he had looked like he had an issue on

1230
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 6: Saturday right at one point.

1231
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, was that Saturday?

1232
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 5: Or for it must have been Saturday.

1233
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 4: Kyl and Pembroke writes in at Patriots Said, Uh What's It?

1234
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: Podcast at Patriots dot Com after the first week of

1235
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,879
Speaker 4: training camp. My hot takes are that Javon Baker has

1236
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 4: a better chance of making the team over Poke, and

1237
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 4: that ben Woo Woodridge has a real chance of beating

1238
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 4: out Dobbs for the backup.

1239
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 9: I don't I don't see the backup one.

1240
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 5: I don't know that.

1241
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 9: I mean, I put that close to zero.

1242
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dobbs has a role, like has a purpose here, Paul,

1243
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 7: I thought laid it out earlier that Like, it's the

1244
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 7: same thing to me with maccollins, Like everybody's wondering if

1245
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 7: mac collins is going to be on the team or not.

1246
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 9: It's not practicing.

1247
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 7: Mccollins, I think has a purpose to the coaching staff,

1248
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 7: a leadership, a mentorship type of role.

1249
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 9: I think the same thing with Dobbs.

1250
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 4: Let's see Todd and Garner got to give Fred is

1251
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 4: due for wishing the worst down opponents. The Jets are

1252
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 4: suffering QB injuries and conflicts. The Raiders defensive star held

1253
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 4: out during his rehab it was released.

1254
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: Two teams we face this year are already imploding.

1255
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 4: Well done, Fred, Now for a quick question, other than

1256
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,360
Speaker 4: Drake May, who is the one player that, if he

1257
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 4: goes down, will derail the Patriots season.

1258
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,799
Speaker 5: Paul Spellane could be.

1259
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 6: I think there's some one player I don't think is

1260
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 6: going to do that other than May.

1261
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 9: But I would put a group of.

1262
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 6: Milton Williams, Robert Splaine, Christian Gonzalez, Steffan Diggs. Like I'm

1263
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 6: not saying any one of those individually would cause a spiral,

1264
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 6: but those would be individuals that would be lost on

1265
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 6: my list of guys that they could.

1266
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 2: Afford to lose.

1267
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I might put Harold Landry in that mix too,

1268
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 3: depending on how it all shapes out.

1269
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 9: He could be one two.

1270
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 5: But you know, somebody.

1271
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 4: I think about, Milton Williams is the second name out

1272
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: of my I think about Landry and Williams and those

1273
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 4: new guys is first we got to see are they

1274
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 4: going to be who we hope they are before I

1275
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 4: tab them as Oh we can't.

1276
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 9: I'm tabbing them as guys they don't have.

1277
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 6: Replacements for Yeah, well, like Robert Splaine, there's nobody that

1278
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 6: can play every down linebacker.

1279
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 9: I don't think they have another guy on the roster. Yeah,

1280
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 9: I mean I think I guess it would be Christian.

1281
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 5: Ellis, Jack Gibbons, Jack Gibbons.

1282
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 6: I wouldn't feel great about any I think it's I

1283
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 6: don't think Juwan Bentley was an All Pro player right

1284
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 6: when he went out last year, they didn't have anybody

1285
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 6: that was as good that could replace him, and I

1286
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 6: think it hurt the defense.

1287
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, you guys want to want attendance, just please?

1288
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 7: All right, So Carlton Davis and Jelani Tavai are your absences.

1289
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 9: Matt Collins, Austin Hooper Verderian low remain on.

1290
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 7: Pup pulp back Josh Minkin's off or off NFI. Excuse

1291
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 7: me he returned, so no to buy no Davis or

1292
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 7: you know, the surprises or unknowns or whatever it was.

1293
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,320
Speaker 9: I wasn't really missing. I was only missing like three guys.

1294
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 5: That's pretty good, not bad, all right.

1295
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 4: Joey wants to know what's it gonna take for Chisholm

1296
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 4: to make the team. Does it mean born a booty

1297
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 4: will need to have poor training camp for Chisholm to

1298
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 4: make it, or are we Patriots fans wishful thinking for

1299
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 4: another Edilman.

1300
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I honestly, I think it's gonna take

1301
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 3: an injury for him to be anything more than a

1302
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 3: practice squader, unless unless he blows up in the preseason

1303
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: and he gets in some opportunities late in the game

1304
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 3: and he starts to make some catches and Josh McDaniels

1305
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 3: is intrigue, and maybe Pop Douglas is sore one day

1306
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: and Chisholm gets to step in with Drake and he

1307
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 3: makes four or five. You know that those kind of

1308
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 3: things can happen, But it's an uphill climb from Chisholm

1309
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 3: right now.

1310
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 6: I am expecting an Austin Carr like preseason from him,

1311
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 6: Like the last three quarters, He's going to get targeted

1312
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 6: a million times by like Josh Dobbs.

1313
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 9: And Wooldridge, and people will blow it out of proportion.

1314
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, with those guys, you always wonder. It's like a

1315
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 7: baseball thing, like is he a four A player?

1316
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 4: Right?

1317
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 7: Like? Is he too good to be on a practice

1318
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 7: squad but maybe not quite good enough to play?

1319
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 9: I don't think you have any issues getting you on

1320
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 9: the practice squad.

1321
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't see what he does in the preseason.

1322
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 7: I don't think of an issue per se with the

1323
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:42,400
Speaker 7: way like there's not a ton of waiver claims anymore anyways,

1324
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 7: But we'll see.

1325
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:47,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So people are wondering what happens when you go

1326
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 4: on a practice squad. Another team can claim any other

1327
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 4: player from another team's practice squad, but they have to

1328
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 4: put him on the active roster if they do.

1329
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: And I think for at least three weeks. I think

1330
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: there's a minimum that he has to be on your.

1331
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 7: Active Rockney player that's your claims, and their rookie contract

1332
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 7: goes through waivers. The invested veterans don't go through waivers

1333
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,920
Speaker 7: this time of year, those guys become free agents instantly.

1334
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 7: But if you're in the first I think it's four

1335
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 7: years of your NFL career, then you go on.

1336
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 2: Waivers before you can be on the practice squad.

1337
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 3: Correct, right, I just hope that all these guys, all

1338
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: these receivers, that the competition can elevate some of these

1339
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 3: players and make them good enough to have this offense

1340
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: be a functional offense that can score on anybody at

1341
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 3: any time. And maybe that's asking a little bit, but

1342
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 3: can you know Diggs's presence elevate Pop Douglas? Can that

1343
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 3: help Key Shaan BOUDI continue to elevate? You know, is

1344
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 3: Diggs's leadership in the locker room and the tone that

1345
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: he's setting. Does that pull some of these guys up?

1346
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 5: Does it?

1347
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: You know? Demonstrate to Javon Baker, this is how you

1348
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 3: have to be a professional.

1349
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 5: This is the consistency you have to come with every

1350
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 5: day to practice.

1351
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 3: I just want to trim the fat and figure out

1352
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 3: when we get to the in the training camp. Right,

1353
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: these are the guys who are moving forward now. So

1354
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 3: the second year in a row felt like you've had

1355
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 3: a big logjam, a wide receiver, and it's still last

1356
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 3: year didn't feel like you ever got.

1357
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 5: Any real true answers from that group. Booty had a

1358
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 5: good year.

1359
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 3: I mean he continued to progress, but never got to

1360
00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 3: the point where you felt like he was a game changer.

1361
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: Maybe as a group this year they can they can

1362
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 3: be game Changer's eighty six.

1363
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 6: The guy to me that's far more important than this

1364
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: whole conversation is the one.

1365
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 9: Too was right, and that is Kyle Williams.

1366
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 6: I think if he can come in and make a

1367
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 6: you know, a legitimate role for himself where he's not

1368
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 6: just a you know, a piece, but a legitimate, complimentary

1369
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 6: receiver who is making consistent contributions on a week to

1370
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 6: week basis, I think he has a skill set that

1371
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 6: could do that. But it's we all know this is

1372
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 6: not an easy jump. We've seen a lot of young

1373
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 6: receivers come into this system in struggle. So hopefully he

1374
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 6: can get the mental side down so he can show

1375
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 6: some of that physical stuff that we saw at Washington State.

1376
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 7: Yeah, still I wonder about his position, and I know

1377
00:57:55,040 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 7: he's a wide receiversde because he's got a good release

1378
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:03,400
Speaker 7: off the line to play on the outside, But his

1379
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 7: body type just doesn't He's just a little too small

1380
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 7: to me, like like corners that are in the NFL.

1381
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 6: He's listed at five to eleven. Yeah, I don't know

1382
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:12,280
Speaker 6: if he's five eleven.

1383
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, if you're one on one with it, like a

1384
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 7: Christian Gonzalez, like Gonzo is just gonna get in his

1385
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:19,280
Speaker 7: face and he's just gonna bully him at the line

1386
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 7: of scrimmage. And I just don't know if he has

1387
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 7: that play strength and stuff yet to play an outside role.

1388
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 7: And then if you are really looking at him moving

1389
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 7: more inside, well, now Diggs is there, Pop is there.

1390
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 9: And now you're in that log jam.

1391
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 7: So I'm just wondering where exactly because I think they're

1392
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 7: trying to make him start to push Boody as like

1393
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 7: that primary X. I just don't know if his skill

1394
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 7: set is perfect for that kind of role.

1395
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point.

1396
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 3: Love to see him, you know, this year, pop in

1397
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 3: and make some key plays. Maybe he's not the starter

1398
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: out of the shoot, but he's a guy like him

1399
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: and born like you need those you know, fourth fifth

1400
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 3: kind of receiver Hollins like those three, those guys.

1401
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 5: Are gonna come in key times and make some key plays.

1402
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I am probably guilty of this, Like how

1403
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 6: many times do you have to get let down, Paul

1404
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 6: before you start, you know, counting to get where it happens.

1405
00:59:05,160 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 9: But I'm ready, I'm gonna, We're gonna open myself up

1406
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 9: to get hurt again, and I'm okay with it.

1407
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 7: But like him and Travon Henderson, to me, is just

1408
00:59:12,560 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 7: it's not about volume. It's like how many big plays

1409
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 7: can they create. If they can both combine to make

1410
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,440
Speaker 7: some chunk plays for this offense and plays that they

1411
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 7: weren't getting the last couple of years, then the draft

1412
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 7: picks are fine. Like maybe they aren't going to be

1413
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 7: a thousand yard receiver or a thousand yard rusher, but

1414
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 7: can they have like a fifty yard gain in a

1415
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 7: game or a sixty yard gain in a game like

1416
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 7: Thatose are the types of plays that they just weren't getting.

1417
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,439
Speaker 4: Yep, Seana Vancouver thinks that Will Campbell is a guy

1418
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 4: that can't.

1419
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 2: Be replaced if he went down. That's true. I mean

1420
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 2: we hope that the case that is true.

1421
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 6: No, but they don't have a tackle back and I

1422
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 6: mean we saw it last year. The guys that are

1423
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 6: behind Will Campbell and Morgan Moses are the two guys.

1424
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 9: Who played last year. I'm not going to train Jacobs.

1425
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 16: In in Vederian low and has some practice, right, So

1426
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 16: I mean really it's probably Marcus Bryant, you know, So

1427
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 16: He's right, Sean's right, they don't have I don't think

1428
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 16: adequate replacements, all right.

1429
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what's interesting is the depth.

1430
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: And again, just that's what's most interesting me coming out

1431
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: of this camp. Who are the guys that were not

1432
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 3: really expecting to be contributors or expecting to carve out

1433
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,920
Speaker 3: a significant role on this team? That will and I

1434
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 3: think the push really starts today as things start to

1435
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 3: ramp up.

1436
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 7: Right, I mean Will Campbell going wire to wire his

1437
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 7: rookie season as the starter for seventeen straight weeks doing

1438
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,840
Speaker 7: a lot is asking a lot, and hopefully it's more

1439
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 7: than seventeen weeks, right, Like, I think that's asking for

1440
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 7: even more so at some point him or Moses is

1441
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 7: especially Moses at thirty four and most plays a lot

1442
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 7: of games, but he still kind of gets nicked up

1443
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 7: here and there, and like we'll miss a game or two.

1444
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 7: So one of those guys is is going to go

1445
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 7: down with an injury at some point and they're going

1446
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 7: to have to replace them.

1447
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 4: All right, we're watching Will Campbell now. I think Will,

1448
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 4: I'm excited to see the man on man side.

1449
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 2: When they go against the defense.

1450
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 4: I assume they're going to do that today, but no guarantees.

1451
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: But when they go one on one with the defense.

1452
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 5: So we're in period six right now.

1453
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,640
Speaker 3: There's about seven minutes left, so that'll be our the

1454
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 3: end of us and then yeah, they'll go I think

1455
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 3: right into team which are sorry group which is offensive

1456
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 3: defense separately, and then one on ones in the red

1457
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 3: zone on.

1458
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 4: So it would help me if and I'm talking to

1459
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 4: our technical people, if when we do have to turn

1460
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 4: the cameras off for our audience, if we can keep

1461
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 4: our monitor on what's going on the field so.

1462
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 2: I can use that.

1463
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 5: I'm pretty good.

1464
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah I could. I could just turn around too.

1465
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 5: But you got your buyinox Fred.

1466
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now it's a good perch up here, let's see

1467
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 3: a lot.

1468
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 7: It's a good This is a good inside baseball discussion.

1469
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 7: Some of us like the perch, some of us don't

1470
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 7: like the perch.

1471
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:58,800
Speaker 2: I like the perch, me too. I like being above it,

1472
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,720
Speaker 2: so I can you know, I.

1473
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:02,280
Speaker 9: Just can't see.

1474
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 6: It's a total me thing. My eyesight is terrible. No,

1475
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 6: this is not like you guys are out of your

1476
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 6: minds for liking it up there.

1477
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 9: I can't see. I physically can't see.

1478
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 2: I need the binoculars.

1479
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 6: But yeah, I don't want to just see like two players.

1480
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 6: I want to see I like, I'm like it, and

1481
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 6: I want to see all twenty two.

1482
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 5: Well, right now it's all ninety one and it's a

1483
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 5: a little hard to keep track.

1484
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 7: My dream someday maybe this will come true, would be

1485
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 7: to get the practice tape.

1486
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 9: Oh I watch after the practice, like not to like

1487
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 9: even share.

1488
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 7: It, like just cut ups and put them on Twitter,

1489
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 7: just to formulate my takes a little bit more, you know,

1490
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,040
Speaker 7: and stuff like that. Because you're trying to watch the

1491
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:46,400
Speaker 7: line of scrimmage and there's bodies flying everywhere, like you

1492
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 7: sometimes you catch someone flashing, but like really you're it's hard.

1493
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 9: It's hard to see it.

1494
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 7: And that's like I'm looking right at it and it's

1495
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 7: hard to see it.

1496
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 9: I don't see.

1497
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 4: In the past, they've had I used to call them

1498
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 4: the boat and then it had the big how we're

1499
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 4: in the middle of the boat, and they used it

1500
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 4: remote control.

1501
01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 2: I don't see, so I'm wondering.

1502
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,280
Speaker 4: I know there's they had the behind the line of

1503
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 4: scrimmage camera. It's someone with a big monopod, and but

1504
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 4: I don't see where the other camera. They must be

1505
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 4: mounted somewhere and being operated remotely.

1506
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm looking right now at a coaching assistant

1507
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 3: down there, and she's got a camera.

1508
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got to got a handheld be she's gotta be.

1509
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 2: It just can't there.

1510
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 9: You just gotta Yeah, you just got a shot of

1511
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 9: it right there.

1512
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, But there's gotta be cameras around the field that

1513
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 4: are at a high level so that Evan can get

1514
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 4: his Uh.

1515
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: I wish it's his tape.

1516
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 9: I wish. I promise I won't. I won't tweet any

1517
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 9: of it. I want, I want.

1518
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 5: It's just for me, just for me, just for me,

1519
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 5: for my informed of pants. O.

1520
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 9: There you on the hop.

1521
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so this is this is your field level guy,

1522
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 4: and he's got that above the line. But there's gotta

1523
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 4: be other cameras.

1524
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, they probably have a bird's eye view camera somewhere.

1525
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1526
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 5: It's all a I know, just make it up.

1527
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 3: It's all ball bearings nowadays, guys, Yeah, so it sounds

1528
01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: like there'll be a few days of pats this week,

1529
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 3: and so though there will be a little bit of

1530
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 3: a grind's gonna be hot. It might be the proverbial

1531
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 3: dog days of summer perhaps, But Paul said, it's like

1532
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 3: this week training camp. Yeah, next week's kind of preseason

1533
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:25,680
Speaker 3: joint practice Minnesota Giants, because then you get into.

1534
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 7: Like the schedule of like you know, game, day off

1535
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 7: before the game and day off after the game, and

1536
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Speaker 7: it kind.

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Speaker 9: Of slows down. Two weeks yeah, I.

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01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 5: Guess two and a half weeks maybe of real camp.

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01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 9: I don't do it like they did it back in

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01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 9: the day anymore.

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Speaker 6: Not like us now, kid, nowadays, they don't know when

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01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 6: you guys back did your your triple sessions whoever it was,

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01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 6: did they Did.

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01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 3: They ever have non padded practices where there's still shells

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01:04:49,160 --> 01:04:51,600
Speaker 3: and helmet days and stuff like that, sessions with without

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01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 3: full pads?

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01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, they would have, Like really, would they go full

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01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 6: pads both sessions in the same.

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Speaker 9: Day, one would be on or off. The problem is

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01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 9: they never told you, so, like sometimes you get stuck. Yeah,

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01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 9: watching both.

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 5: I remember double sessions in high school and that man,

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 5: I just was so hot after that first one.

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01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 6: It was where I discovered now those were always in

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01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 6: pads right both sessions.

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01:05:15,160 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 3: It's where I discovered the magic of powdered gatorade.

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01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 5: Versus just the gatorade you buy. Like the trainers.

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01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 3: They always had the powdered stuff, and you could make

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01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 3: it a little bit sweeter, a little more powerful. And

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01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 3: I just remember jugging that stuff like you're gonna go

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:32,200
Speaker 3: back to practice, O tough CJ.

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Speaker 7: Dupree taking this rep here eighty two. Just like those

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01:05:35,840 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 7: tight ends in general, like none of them have really.

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01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 9: Someone's got to emerge.

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01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, like the tight end three position right now, And

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01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 7: I just wonder if it stays this way, if they

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01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 7: just try to carry one or two on the practice squad,

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01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 7: if they have to elevate them.

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01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 9: One week, they elevate them, and they just go that route.

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Speaker 9: Because none of these guys have really done anything.

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01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 6: I would Westover would be the one I've noticed the most,

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01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,680
Speaker 6: but that's simply because he's been.

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01:05:58,560 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 2: Out there more.

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01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 9: I haven't necessarily seen him do a lot. Yeah, I said,

1575
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 9: full back there.

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01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,880
Speaker 7: You said that to about Chishom, like you probably have No,

1577
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,640
Speaker 7: I don't think you have any problem getting any of

1578
01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:13,400
Speaker 7: these guys to the practice squad like Jack west Over,

1579
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 7: CJ dpre Jean Bell. So with all the elevations and

1580
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 7: the rules now you might not need to carry eight

1581
01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:20,760
Speaker 7: three guys on the roster.

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01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just want to know who I want because

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01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,040
Speaker 3: I haven't seen much out of any of those guys

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01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 3: yet to make me say like I really need to

1585
01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:27,640
Speaker 3: keep any of.

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01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 5: These guys so far. And that's obvious after what the

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01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 5: full practice we've seen.

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01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:33,840
Speaker 7: But right it just gives you some time and then

1589
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 7: if someone ends up getting you know, season ending injury

1590
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 7: happen somewhere, and if there's an ir spot that opens up,

1591
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 7: then you can sign them to the roster, but you

1592
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 7: don't necessarily need to carry him right out of the game.

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01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,400
Speaker 3: Well, I think today's an interesting day though, just because

1594
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,880
Speaker 3: if they're gonna be the red zone, they're gonna be

1595
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 3: on the goal line. It might give opportunity to a

1596
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,880
Speaker 3: second tight end liked pre Blocking, or that full back

1597
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 3: Brock Lampy, maybe he gets some snaps.

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01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 5: I mean, there's some interesting things to look at once

1599
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 5: they get down there.

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Speaker 9: There's been a lot of full back.

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01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 7: There's been a lot of fullback, and I think there's

1602
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,480
Speaker 7: too much full back to say that that's gonna go away.

1603
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 9: You know, I don't know if will be.

1604
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 7: Lamping Ye, but it's gonna it's gonna be somebody because

1605
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 7: they've been doing too much of it during the team

1606
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 7: periods to then just throw out that part of the

1607
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 7: playbook once the season comes around because they don't have

1608
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 7: one on the roster.

1609
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 6: And if you do keep lamp beyond the roster, I

1610
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 6: think that would even further cement your tight end three

1611
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 6: committee from the practice grid.

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01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,160
Speaker 7: Henry Hooper, Lampy, then a couple of guys on the

1613
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 7: practice squads stashed away.

1614
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:33,680
Speaker 4: What have we seen from Lampy so far as I

1615
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 4: just right now, it's hard to get until the you know,

1616
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 4: until we really see contact today and this is coming

1617
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:40,080
Speaker 4: up week.

1618
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 3: But if he's leading the way into the end zone

1619
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 3: to I'm going to be fair to Lampy, he can't

1620
01:07:45,480 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: do Lampy things until you get pat on.

1621
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,080
Speaker 7: The usage is what stands out though, Like you know,

1622
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 7: the fact that he is he'd that they are going

1623
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,640
Speaker 7: to that package and they are using a full back

1624
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 7: like that's that's notable.

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01:07:57,040 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 9: That that's the part that so far, at least for me,

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01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 9: that I that I I've noted.

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01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 2: We're able with twenty five today Marcus Jones. How much

1628
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 2: longer is it before we see him show up on

1629
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: the injury report?

1630
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: I was, I'm wondering if he's like getting in better

1631
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 3: shape all this practice and he's been doing, like, is

1632
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 3: he getting in shape too?

1633
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 5: I down fighting getting.

1634
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:19,719
Speaker 2: Hit pretty hard as some of those and he puts.

1635
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:22,160
Speaker 5: That Blaine popped them in the job. I was like, man,

1636
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 5: don't get hurt, Mike.

1637
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 2: I know.

1638
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 4: I wonder how much ibuprofit he's taken after these. All right,

1639
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 4: so our cameras.

1640
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,040
Speaker 2: This is off the field now, so you're looking at us.

1641
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:43,719
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, So we'll do our best to see what's

1642
01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 4: going on over there and try to tell you what

1643
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:46,840
Speaker 4: we see.

1644
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 2: But that's hard because we have to be looking this way.

1645
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 9: You're going to be staring at my back. I apologize. Yes,

1646
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 9: I'm going to stand up.

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01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 2: All right, So good? Are we are? Good? To take

1648
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: a break downstairs? Might be a good time to do

1649
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 2: that reset.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So that'll be it for this edition

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01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 4: of Patriots Unfiltered at Camp, and we will be you'll

1652
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,240
Speaker 4: have your post practice wrap up show, the Training Camp

1653
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:20,200
Speaker 4: cast we'll be back on our What are we going

1654
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:20,479
Speaker 4: to do?

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01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:23,759
Speaker 2: Patriots have filtered at one o'clock tomorrow practical.

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01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 9: I think we could do that. Yeah, sounds great. Let's

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01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 9: go one to three tomorrow.

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01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, because practice gets over a little after twelve and

1659
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,000
Speaker 4: then you've got availability, so we'll start pe you tomorrow

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01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:36,720
Speaker 4: at one o'clock. So until then, thanks everyone for joining us,

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01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 4: and let's go watch practice.

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