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Speaker 1: of news to get into here today, and not the
Speaker 1: least of which is last night a e W Dynamite
Speaker 1: Winter is Coming Hangman Page versus Brian Danielson sixty minute
Speaker 1: time limit draw. I thought for sure Hangman was just
Speaker 1: gonna beat Bryan Danielson, but in fact they went to
Speaker 1: a six minute draw. And it's funny. I didn't expect it,
Speaker 1: but as it was going on, I wasn't at least
Speaker 1: bit surprised. So obviously we're heading to a no time
Speaker 1: limit rematch for the championship, perhaps in the next pay
Speaker 1: per view, perhaps it to the one of the big
Speaker 1: shows coming up in early January. But excellent, fantastic match.
Speaker 1: I don't have enough good things to say about it,
Speaker 1: but that was by far the highlight of the a
Speaker 1: W show on Wednesday nights, so we can talk about that.
Speaker 1: We have more details on Kevin Owens contract. We have
Speaker 1: a full lineup for two nights from the Tokyo Dome
Speaker 1: January four and January five, so we'll over all of
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Speaker 1: as all sorts of people have been tweeting all sorts
Speaker 1: of things. Best wishes to himself, his family, all of
Speaker 1: his friends. That is today. And uh, last night, of course,
Speaker 1: was Winners Coming. We had a sixty minute draw with
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson and Hangman Page. And you know, you can
Speaker 1: always find somebody's gonna complain about something on the internet.
Speaker 1: I was actually stunned that we had people complaining about
Speaker 1: the match last night. But you know, when you get
Speaker 1: something for free on television, damn it. I want what
Speaker 1: I want, Don't give me a draw. I actually heard
Speaker 1: some of the day to day, but we're gonna largely
Speaker 1: ignore the stupidity. It was a great match. Obviously, We're
Speaker 1: building to a no time limit match down the road,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure will be as good or better. Arguably
Speaker 1: better because this was the first match they ever had together,
Speaker 1: and the way they built the match up there's still
Speaker 1: a lot of things that they could do to play
Speaker 1: off this match in the second match. So if I
Speaker 1: had to guess, I would say that the rematch actually
Speaker 1: is not going to go more than an hour. I
Speaker 1: think they will build it as a no time limit match,
Speaker 1: but it would go closer to two minutes and then
Speaker 1: actually give us a finish with the Hangman meeting Brian Danielson.
Speaker 1: But I thought the match was was fantastic the show itself.
Speaker 1: You know, yesterday we were going over the lineup and
Speaker 1: I pointed out, we got four matches, and because we
Speaker 1: have four matches, that leaves a lot of time, I
Speaker 1: said for some other stuff to happen on the show,
Speaker 1: and in fact it didn't because the championship match went
Speaker 1: an hour, and if you count the introductions and everything
Speaker 1: like that, that that whole segment went like an hour
Speaker 1: ten minutes, and then they had their three other matches
Speaker 1: and no debuts, which I expected a debut, But if
Speaker 1: you actually go back and you listen to what Tony
Speaker 1: Khan said about debuts, he actually said not necessarily tonight,
Speaker 1: meaning winter is coming, because in fact there weren't any.
Speaker 1: So I guess some debuts will be happening next week.
Speaker 1: The Briscoes, I presume will be there at any time.
Speaker 1: But overall, a A just a fantastic edition of a
Speaker 1: E W Dynamite. And now I have to miss next
Speaker 1: week's shows, so you're gonna be in charge of covering
Speaker 1: the debuts next week. Like I'll be quite happy with that,
Speaker 1: especially if the Brisco's happened to show up after those
Speaker 1: lights go out and they come back on again. But
Speaker 1: that was perfect. People are gonna complain about everything. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't really care about that. But when he gets
Speaker 1: right down to it, Adam Page is the a W champion,
Speaker 1: brand new young guys starting out in this business, a
Speaker 1: new star on the wrestling scene for the most part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ring of Monter fans and New Japan all that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but still on this type of landscape. Here he is
Speaker 1: representing your company. And it wasn't a case where Brian
Speaker 1: Danielson had him in the LaBelle lock going off the air.
Speaker 1: This kid struggling and and Brian Danielson was this close. Nope,
Speaker 1: the champion was rallying, he was looking good, and this
Speaker 1: young guy had this whold guy on the ropes. They
Speaker 1: had him down and he's had a little bit more time,
Speaker 1: he would have finished him off. But because of who
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson is, all he's got to do is say no,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. I would have reversed it. I would have
Speaker 1: kicked out, whatever, let's go ninety minutes. That's what they
Speaker 1: would have did in the old days, if this was
Speaker 1: you know, Rick Flair and Barry Wyndham. You can't do
Speaker 1: that now. I wouldn't even dare advertise that now. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't even necessarily say do an unlimited main event. I
Speaker 1: don't even think you have to do that. Just another
Speaker 1: sixty minutes, just another championship match, just another chance for
Speaker 1: both of those guys to get at each other. And
Speaker 1: I thought the presentation of it, I thought it was fantastic,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was a really good night. And
Speaker 1: it shows that you can do a limited amount of
Speaker 1: matches if what you're doing. Obviously it helps to have
Speaker 1: a guy like Brian Danielson there, but you can have
Speaker 1: limited matches, but as long as they mean something great
Speaker 1: sheetah in in uh Serena Deeve was another great example
Speaker 1: of that later on in a completely different way. But
Speaker 1: I thought that was a spectacular match, and I think
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson is a spectacular wrestler, and while we keep
Speaker 1: heeping praise on him for how great that match was
Speaker 1: out of page for sixty minutes, hung in there and
Speaker 1: was great. So I'm only looking forward to seeing more. Bro.
Speaker 1: You gotta advertise the next match as no time limits.
Speaker 1: That's fair, I'm I'm okay with I don't think you
Speaker 1: have to, but I'm great. Here's why I think you
Speaker 1: have to, because the one thing about the match that
Speaker 1: was amazing last night is if you watched the match,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really count for me because I knew
Speaker 1: what happened before I watched the show, but they were
Speaker 1: they started slow, and once you passed the thirty minute
Speaker 1: mark and you start to get to the forty minute mark,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I would think that you should
Speaker 1: be clued in at this point that this match is
Speaker 1: going an hour. But if you actually watched the things, honestly,
Speaker 1: you could have said that leading off the show. The
Speaker 1: fact that it let off the show, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of old fans to go what's happening. But the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is, if you watched the match,
Speaker 1: I mean, the fans kept getting mad when they kept
Speaker 1: hearing the time calls, but they didn't like give up
Speaker 1: on the match because they thought that it was gonna
Speaker 1: go to a draw. They were into every single one
Speaker 1: of those near faults in the last minute or two
Speaker 1: that they're telling that there's one minute left, and the
Speaker 1: fans are going nuts, and he goes out there for
Speaker 1: the like they thought that he might win at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: But when they went to the draw, the fans booed
Speaker 1: mightily because they wanted to finish. And the fans booed
Speaker 1: and they chanted five more minutes. And to me, when
Speaker 1: you have that reaction from your audience, it's no big
Speaker 1: deal to do it one time. You have to train
Speaker 1: your audience and every now and then you can actually
Speaker 1: have a sixty minute draw. But you need to then
Speaker 1: tell the audience if we do this again, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get a sixty minute draw. So you don't have
Speaker 1: to go more than sixty minutes. But I do believe
Speaker 1: that it must be advertised if these men wrestle again,
Speaker 1: you will get a winner one way or the other.
Speaker 1: We already know they're not gonna do a d Q.
Speaker 1: We already know. I mean, I don't think anyone thinks
Speaker 1: they're gonna do a count out, but they have told
Speaker 1: us on multiple occasions that they will do draws. So
Speaker 1: I think that after a sixty minute draw, it is
Speaker 1: very important to tell the fans, especially on pay per view,
Speaker 1: because listen, if you were watching the show and you
Speaker 1: didn't like a draw, like, you're welcome to not like
Speaker 1: the draw, But brother, it was free on television. It
Speaker 1: was free. The worst you had to put up with
Speaker 1: with some commercials. You didn't pay one cent for this match,
Speaker 1: so don't complain about a draw to me. Now, if
Speaker 1: you pay fifty bucks and you're buying a pay per view.
Speaker 1: If this were on the last day, this is one
Speaker 1: full gear and they went to a sixty minute draw,
Speaker 1: I would have been fine with it. But I can
Speaker 1: understand a lot of fans wouldn't be fine with it
Speaker 1: because they pay their money for finishes. That's what a
Speaker 1: W has taught them. You pay your money, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get it finish. So I do believe if this runs
Speaker 1: on pay per view, they need to advertise no time limit.
Speaker 1: There must be a winner, and I think that will
Speaker 1: even think it's an argument, they're gonna do it one
Speaker 1: fall to a finish. That's all you gotta say, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's people complaining about this. How can you even
Speaker 1: give him any oxygen to let them do it? Isn't free.
Speaker 1: Get out of here, you idiots, Get out of here.
Speaker 1: I mean, why you even give that the type of
Speaker 1: oxygen because it was a it's pro wrestling. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have draws, You're gonna have d q s, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have You're gonna have all sorts of things. Did they
Speaker 1: give you the art, did they give you the athleticism
Speaker 1: that they give you the story that they have the
Speaker 1: people in the palm of their hand as they went
Speaker 1: to the end, Yes, yes they did. So what are
Speaker 1: you really complaining about? What are you really bitching about?
Speaker 1: What do you really all sorts of but heard about
Speaker 1: when he comes to it because that match wasn't in
Speaker 1: w I mean, does it really? Is this really about
Speaker 1: the fact that you didn't get a finish or a winner?
Speaker 1: I tend to doubt it. I think those things are
Speaker 1: probably just propped up there for the people that want
Speaker 1: a bitch moaning complain about the fact that a w
Speaker 1: did something in their favorite other promotion didn't. You should
Speaker 1: also know that if you're if you're complaining that hangman
Speaker 1: looked bad or whatever bad, you know I have I
Speaker 1: have heard over the last two and a half years,
Speaker 1: so many example, well it's his first defense and he
Speaker 1: couldn't beat the guy. Listen, everybody, listen. You know many
Speaker 1: times I've heard folks on the internet tell me that
Speaker 1: somebody was ruined, somebody was doomed, somebody was like it
Speaker 1: was all over blah blah. It never happened, not one time.
Speaker 1: The Hangman is gonna be all right. He had the
Speaker 1: match one. Yes, that's the whole point. What I said
Speaker 1: earlier on that you your champion, the a W champion.
Speaker 1: This young guy was about to put the finishing touches
Speaker 1: on Daniel Bryan Bryan Danielson. Period. Everybody who's got that
Speaker 1: other opinion, shut up. More news and more after the breaks,
Speaker 1: every lot. Don't do it, boss, don't do it. I
Speaker 1: saw you, I saw you. Everybody. Welcome back to a
Speaker 1: point here. If you don't like the draw, that's fine.
Speaker 1: I didn't say you had to like it. I said
Speaker 1: that being angry about it, like you deserve a finish
Speaker 1: on a free TV show. It's ridiculous, Okay, listen, I
Speaker 1: would have preferred a winner too, But what a W
Speaker 1: does is they book so that they can make money
Speaker 1: off pay per views. Okay, my guess is that the
Speaker 1: more pay per view is going to be headlined by
Speaker 1: Hangman Page versus Brian Danielson in a no time limit
Speaker 1: must be a winner match. Okay, if you beat Brian
Speaker 1: Danielson on television, the pay per view is going to
Speaker 1: do fine, But nobody is paying in big numbers to
Speaker 1: see a rematch of a of a finish that we
Speaker 1: already saw. Okay, if you do a pay per view
Speaker 1: and you build this as must be a winner coming
Speaker 1: off a sixty minute draw with no time limit, that
Speaker 1: will do significant. They will sell significantly more pay per
Speaker 1: views to see one of those men defeat the other.
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson has never been defeated in a W. Hangman
Speaker 1: Page obviously has never been defeated as the champion, so
Speaker 1: I can tell you this, And they actually mentioned the
Speaker 1: guy's name last night. Right Back. Okay, there's no logical
Speaker 1: reason why right Back should ever have sold pay per views,
Speaker 1: but he did because they put right Back and see
Speaker 1: him Punk in a cage. Right Back had never lost,
Speaker 1: and CM Punk had been champion for two days or whatever,
Speaker 1: and they sold pay per views. Okay, you you can
Speaker 1: count on one hand the number of pay per views
Speaker 1: it did better than average for w w E based
Speaker 1: on a match if it wasn't WrestleMania, if Brian Danielson
Speaker 1: has not lost, Hangman Page has not lost. You put
Speaker 1: them together on pay per view and you say there
Speaker 1: will be a winner, you probably will do your best
Speaker 1: pay per view number that they've ever done. You beat
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson on television in this match last night, and
Speaker 1: you try to rematch that match in March in doing
Speaker 1: a record breaking Page, You're just not not off that match.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe if you've got the debut of the Rock,
Speaker 1: but that's the point of the draw. You don't have
Speaker 1: to like it. But that's why they did it. And
Speaker 1: it's not the end of the world for the Hangman,
Speaker 1: and it's not the end of the world for Brian Danielson,
Speaker 1: and it's not the end of the world for a
Speaker 1: w That's it. Yeah. The only thing I'm going to
Speaker 1: disagree with you on is, and it saw a matter
Speaker 1: of personal preference, is you know what would you have
Speaker 1: rather had to finish? No, And I'll tell you why,
Speaker 1: because again, the guys that were painting the picture were
Speaker 1: so good, and that is led obviously by Brian Danielson,
Speaker 1: who I assume called most of that match. I assume
Speaker 1: you know it. Just forget about all the assumptions. What
Speaker 1: I know. I know what I saw, and what I
Speaker 1: saw was great professional wrestling, and there are ways to
Speaker 1: build lots of things that make you want more. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you could have had a finish there, but does that
Speaker 1: benefit either guy more than what you were just talking about?
Speaker 1: This draw that you now build to, this no time
Speaker 1: limit pay per view match where you're selling it, where
Speaker 1: you are going to get a finish? Is Adam Page
Speaker 1: that good? Did Daniel Brian have him on the ropes
Speaker 1: too much? Did he take too much time trying to
Speaker 1: get that pin? Is Daniel Brian still that guy? Or
Speaker 1: is he just a guy the Page is going to
Speaker 1: conquer before he moves on to see him punk or
Speaker 1: whatever comes, whatever stories you want to tell coming off
Speaker 1: of it. I thought the picture that they painted was
Speaker 1: perfect for the situation, and that's what it comes right
Speaker 1: down to. He said, there's no logical reason that that
Speaker 1: right back should have been the one to sell pay
Speaker 1: per views. Yes, there is, and it's the reason that
Speaker 1: you mentioned, because it's pro wrestling booking and when it's
Speaker 1: done well, it makes people want things. And right back
Speaker 1: being undefeated CM Punk with that long championship rain, it
Speaker 1: was going to be in the cage. They basically booked
Speaker 1: themselves into a corner unfortunately because they had a themed
Speaker 1: pay per view, and that's what really got him there
Speaker 1: with Helen the Cell, I think it was. But I mean,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing, is proressing booking, and I thought
Speaker 1: the progressing booking on last night's Dynamite was top notch,
Speaker 1: and I thought the performances. Again, anybody that wants to complain,
Speaker 1: I I again, when you start listening to the the reasons
Speaker 1: of what you're really complaining about, I mean, come on now. Also,
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're going, but they didn't do
Speaker 1: this draw just because they decided to put a match
Speaker 1: together and didn't want either guy to win. I I
Speaker 1: hesitate even say this. Kudn't want people writing stories about
Speaker 1: is because honestly, I don't know, and I asked and
Speaker 1: nobody answered, okay, But if you don't think that they've
Speaker 1: been planning this Brian Danielson deal for a while. I mean,
Speaker 1: think again, it could I suppose it's possible. It just
Speaker 1: happens to be coincidence. But what a coincidence that when
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson was was heading towards this match with Hangman
Speaker 1: Page that Winter is coming, there just happened to be
Speaker 1: a Dark Order member from every city that they went
Speaker 1: to in the weeks leading up to it. Isn't that
Speaker 1: kind of strange? And of course Hangman Page was essentially
Speaker 1: in his hometown the week after the the uh Full
Speaker 1: Gear where he won the championship. It's almost like they
Speaker 1: booked so far in advance that they can book cities
Speaker 1: to you know what I'm saying to play into what
Speaker 1: they're doing for their storytelling. So they have a plan
Speaker 1: based off this draw leading months down the road. What
Speaker 1: it is I don't know, But this was is not oh,
Speaker 1: you know, we booked ourselves into a corner. We just
Speaker 1: realized we don't want to beat Danielson. We're certainly not
Speaker 1: gonna beat Hangman. Let's just go to a drum and
Speaker 1: we'll figure none of that happened. This is a this
Speaker 1: is a plan. It must suck to have a plan
Speaker 1: like that. How can you tear up the script an
Speaker 1: hour before the show and rewrite the whole thing when
Speaker 1: you gotta stick to a plan. What fun is that? What? What? What?
Speaker 1: What are you gonna do there? Look? Page and and
Speaker 1: Brian Danielson. Another thing about this too is Brian Daniel.
Speaker 1: When's the last time Brian Danielson went sixty minutes? Probably
Speaker 1: has been a minute, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 1: I think that's another thing is not only does it
Speaker 1: make Page look strong as your champion, and it is
Speaker 1: a feather in his cap because you know, what was
Speaker 1: the longest match was the Omega mat I. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what what hangman Page's longest matches,
Speaker 1: but you know, on this scale, you know, recently, this
Speaker 1: is his most high profile thing. And he looked I
Speaker 1: thought he looked fantastic doing it. And I again, it's
Speaker 1: only going to get better the second time around with
Speaker 1: those two. I don't think you lost anything. Look that match.
Speaker 1: The the only risk I think you had last night
Speaker 1: was something going bad real bad early or something like
Speaker 1: that where or the timing or whatever it was, and
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. So again, any complaints about this,
Speaker 1: any whining or pitching or convenching or any of that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff is just it's nonsense. Kevin Owens is
Speaker 1: obviously we signed with w w E. As we mentioned,
Speaker 1: we have more info coming off last night's Wrestling Observer
Speaker 1: radio emails reported owens new contract is a three year deal.
Speaker 1: Miltzer said, the contract, it's in the range of two
Speaker 1: to three million per year. What a shocker that I
Speaker 1: suspected that exact amount yesterday signed a three year deal
Speaker 1: with w w E. I believe it was actually a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago when this happened. It's a good
Speaker 1: money deal. I think the feeling was it was more
Speaker 1: than he would be able to get with a W
Speaker 1: to three million that range per year. So it maybe,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say probably will be because I
Speaker 1: don't know what a w would have offered. There are
Speaker 1: guys in a W make in that range, but not
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't know that he would be able
Speaker 1: to get it. There's a million different things. He made
Speaker 1: the right call for himself. He noted there is no
Speaker 1: no cut clause, which, of course there's no no cut
Speaker 1: clause w w E. These contracts. The w w E
Speaker 1: science folks too, you're on their terms. Where did this
Speaker 1: come from? And this something where this ball started rolling
Speaker 1: on people wanting no cut contracts as if they exist
Speaker 1: kind of anywhere. You know what I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean to me, listen, take your money, dude, take
Speaker 1: your three million dollars a year, and if they cut
Speaker 1: you next year, who cares? You made three million dollars
Speaker 1: and then you go to the other place you made
Speaker 1: one out in a year. It's funny, like, I don't
Speaker 1: even know. Do you think he sells a lot of
Speaker 1: march Do you think he makes good money that he's
Speaker 1: putting in the bank. It's just because I I hear
Speaker 1: you know, some people get so angry about these these deals,
Speaker 1: and you hear the argument said, well, if w W
Speaker 1: E has the right to cut you every ninety days,
Speaker 1: then you should have the right to get out every
Speaker 1: ninety days. But then you want him to have a
Speaker 1: no cut, so you want to know cut that both
Speaker 1: sides can count. Like whatever doesn't matter. Make your money,
Speaker 1: make your money, make your decision where you're gonna go
Speaker 1: make your money, and if you get cut, go somewhere
Speaker 1: else and make your money. Right. This is not rocket science.
Speaker 1: It really isn't. And again people are I'm disappointed. Shut up,
Speaker 1: You're not his wife, you're not his kids, you're not
Speaker 1: his family. You know, there's You've got to take yourself
Speaker 1: out of the fact that you are really wanting this
Speaker 1: guy to perform like he hasn't he done that? Enough?
Speaker 1: Are the memories not enough? Where if this guy doesn't
Speaker 1: reach these great grand performances against see him? Punker Brian
Speaker 1: Danielson again that like this somehow tarnishes his legacy. No,
Speaker 1: it tarnishes you as a fan of the person. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're really not as big of a fan of the
Speaker 1: person as you thought. You know, it's all about this
Speaker 1: character her, But this is real life. He's got a
Speaker 1: family to support and he's got like this is the
Speaker 1: thing too. And I don't know if I talked about
Speaker 1: it yesterday or not, but like Steve Karinos there, Adam
Speaker 1: Pierce is there, El jan Erico is there. Like these
Speaker 1: are people that he's worked with, Samoa Joe is there,
Speaker 1: Nigel McGinnis is there. There are people in that company
Speaker 1: who he's worked with for a long time that maybe
Speaker 1: he's friends with. Then maybe he again he wants to
Speaker 1: make money with. Yes, maybe he has friends in the
Speaker 1: other place too, But like people that are not looking
Speaker 1: at this from a rational life, logical situation. God bless.
Speaker 1: I look at some of the comments and I know
Speaker 1: the person is eleven, twelve, thirteen years old. I can
Speaker 1: tell that the ones that really get me are the
Speaker 1: ones that actually seem like they're grown adults. And I
Speaker 1: don't know where they live, I don't know how they function,
Speaker 1: I don't know who they deal with. But my God,
Speaker 1: if you're this shaken up an upset over Kevin Owens
Speaker 1: taking a deal, it's better for his family that's got
Speaker 1: nothing to do with the stupid stuff you see on
Speaker 1: the screen. Look in the mirror, and then probably break it.
Speaker 1: January four, w g P Heavyweight Title. Shingo versus Okada,
Speaker 1: Desperado versus Romo for the Junior title, Zack Saber Junior
Speaker 1: Tichi versus Haruki Koto and Yoshi Hashi for the tag
Speaker 1: team titles. Buy my ticket now. Is She versus Evil
Speaker 1: for the never Open Weight title, Shabbata versus Mystery opponent,
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Speaker 1: having a Ranbo. I'll tell you about night two when
Speaker 1: we get back from the break back. In a moment
Speaker 1: of reserver light love well Night two of this Dome Show,
Speaker 1: we got the winner of Shingo at Okada versus Willow
Speaker 1: Spray for whatever they canna do with these belts, Simber
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Speaker 1: Rocky Romero and a kickoff match announced it four It's
Speaker 1: Great Okon the best Technical Wrestler, Great Okon, which tells
Speaker 1: you what a great Okan those awards are. Are you
Speaker 1: using all the a material articulate out there on your absolutely?
Speaker 1: Are you really going somewhere with your family or is
Speaker 1: all of this some sort of facade that you have developed,
Speaker 1: so you could go into some sort of short quarantine
Speaker 1: and be on your way to Tokyo to be the
Speaker 1: man that faces Catsiori Shivada Bro. That's one of the
Speaker 1: rare matches I'd have. But it's not gonna be me.
Speaker 1: I hope it's Tom. I should be an XT on
Speaker 1: Tuesday five sixty one viewers, down four point nine percent
Speaker 1: from last week, lowest viewership for the show on USA
Speaker 1: Network since moving to Tuesday nights, and the fourth lowest
Speaker 1: overall in n x T history eighteen forty nine point
Speaker 1: one four, which was up from last week. Let's celebrate
Speaker 1: a point one four thirty sixth on cable in the
Speaker 1: demo Chimneys Christmas. But that's what happens in xt it.
Speaker 1: Just like I said yesterday, nobody put over my brilliance yesterday.
Speaker 1: The thing with n x T is there are trying
Speaker 1: to attract the younger demo, but the young demo doesn't
Speaker 1: like the show. But because older people, old people are
Speaker 1: writing a show that they think young people will like.
Speaker 1: But what they're actually doing is they're writing a show
Speaker 1: that other old people will feel makes them feel younger.
Speaker 1: That's it, right, come up with a better explanation. How
Speaker 1: does n X T right a show designed literally they're
Speaker 1: designing it to get young viewers. But the median ages
Speaker 1: sixty two? What does that tell you? What's the median
Speaker 1: age of the people writing it? And Sean Michaels it
Speaker 1: was Shawn Michael's and triple aged men in their fifties. Look,
Speaker 1: bottom line is now that's not it's all Sean Michael.
Speaker 1: I look I the whole vision. What is the sixty
Speaker 1: two year guy that came up and was was hot
Speaker 1: in the eighties and nineties. Remember, well the women wearing
Speaker 1: no clothes, they don't have big hair. Maybe that'll be next.
Speaker 1: And you know we partied a lot, so you know
Speaker 1: you have the people going to their party waving their
Speaker 1: tickets in the air. You know, lots of colors, you
Speaker 1: guys remember the early nineties w W either is color everywhere,
Speaker 1: lots of colors. That's a Bruce Pritchard thing. That guy's
Speaker 1: in his sixties, Vince's his late seventies. Surprise, he's you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a jitnerbug character someone dancing the jitterbug.
Speaker 1: This show has uh, basically a rectile dysfunction, and they're
Speaker 1: trying to throw products at it to raise it up,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately they can't. They are old guys trying to
Speaker 1: put these hot women on in tight clothes. And that
Speaker 1: matters more than matches, is how how many cuts we
Speaker 1: can have of these women looking sultry and staring out
Speaker 1: into the crowd. These big guys who are Harlans and
Speaker 1: guys like that, you know all that all those other
Speaker 1: are small guys wrestling those match is Now, we're going
Speaker 1: to go back to this stuff that maybe work. And
Speaker 1: you know what's amazing when you look back and you
Speaker 1: see how many times it didn't work and people forget
Speaker 1: about that. It's like when they forget about the attitude
Speaker 1: are and they only look at all the high spots
Speaker 1: of it and how great it was, and it's like,
Speaker 1: you know what, A lot of it wasn't great. A
Speaker 1: lot of it wasn't even good. Let me tell you
Speaker 1: what I do if I started a wrestling promotion, Mike,
Speaker 1: what's that I had? I had to write out some
Speaker 1: gymnastics facilities and we do we do spots on the
Speaker 1: gym floor and we bounce off the walls. You know that?
Speaker 1: Do that attract the Young Demo because when I was
Speaker 1: a kid, little kids watched it. Well, I got a
Speaker 1: better idea. Not only have that, but like have some
Speaker 1: amateur mats there too for all those people and bring
Speaker 1: them in. Wrestling is not a dirty word killing my
Speaker 1: analogy here. Hey, look, the thing is one side needs
Speaker 1: the other. You know, you can do all those great moves,
Speaker 1: but sooner or later you gotta learn how to work.
Speaker 1: And some of those people who have all that personality
Speaker 1: bouncing around on that mat and knowing how to perform
Speaker 1: from an audience by themselves doing a floor routine, at
Speaker 1: some point they're gonna have to learn how to actually
Speaker 1: work holds. And the people that work holds are going
Speaker 1: to actually have to learn how to get their personalities
Speaker 1: out there and be able to perform in front of
Speaker 1: a crowd. One thing needs the other, and that's how
Speaker 1: you build the thing. This is what a e W
Speaker 1: does do from a pro wrestling point of view, that
Speaker 1: is so much better than w W. One of the
Speaker 1: many things that they do, which is why they do
Speaker 1: feel more like old pro wrestling, because that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1: They have an upper mid card and they have layers
Speaker 1: to all their characters they have people can beat this guy,
Speaker 1: but they have trouble with this one. Their stories, there's
Speaker 1: all these things that took time to plant seeds to develop.
Speaker 1: WW doesn't do that. They want a hotshot everything. They
Speaker 1: think they can go back to the past and create this,
Speaker 1: create that. How many people between the ages of twelve
Speaker 1: and seventeen, which is a demo, how many people between
Speaker 1: the ages of seventeen and twenty five, How many of
Speaker 1: those people are involved watching wrestling right now and involved
Speaker 1: watching WW. There's a reason that nx T is sixty
Speaker 1: three years old. All of their shows facility, but all
Speaker 1: of these things at some point are going to really
Speaker 1: hurt them. And people can talk about all the money
Speaker 1: they make. Yeah, they're gonna make a lot of money,
Speaker 1: but are they developing fans. I actually want to sit
Speaker 1: here and watch the stuff and doing that. You know,
Speaker 1: they're absolutely not doing that, and they're not going to
Speaker 1: do it with the people that they have trying to
Speaker 1: book these shows and trying to talk to the young
Speaker 1: people and ask them how they're doing. You know why,
Speaker 1: because there's not enough mullets. All of the top baby
Speaker 1: face stars should be have it should be having mullets
Speaker 1: and they should be wearing out too well. For Brian
Speaker 1: Pilmy should wear jackets and they should have fringe hanging
Speaker 1: from the jackets. Yes, and they should be of course
Speaker 1: very muscular and uh, you know that's what they should do.
Speaker 1: Lots and lots of everybody looks like Scott Steiner single
Speaker 1: It from nine with all its colors. We already got
Speaker 1: the colors. You're missing the point. We already have the
Speaker 1: bright colors. But what's missing is the mullets and the fringe.
Speaker 1: More mullets, more fringe, more, you know what. Else. We
Speaker 1: need commercials for bodybuildings implements. That's also missing. When's the
Speaker 1: last time that you saw a bodybuilding supplement commercial on
Speaker 1: n x T. If you did, you have more young
Speaker 1: people watching because they like muscles, they like exercising at
Speaker 1: the gym. So we should have commercials about muscle building supplements.
Speaker 1: That's what we are missing here. And the hair of
Speaker 1: the women is much too flat. It should be bigger.
Speaker 1: It should go up high and and and the you know,
Speaker 1: the bikinis that they wear, they should go up high
Speaker 1: on the hip. That's what's missing. Also, also, there should
Speaker 1: be a character does aerobics. Yes, a character that does aerobics.
Speaker 1: She should be an aerobics instructor, and she she teaches
Speaker 1: aerobic stall of the other wrestlers. That's we That's what
Speaker 1: we need to attract the young demo. More legs, that's
Speaker 1: what youngsters liked. Am I wrong? You know? It took
Speaker 1: me a while, car, but I'm glad I got in
Speaker 1: for this ride. Yes, I was trying to explain all
Speaker 1: of this, and meanwhile you were talking about what they
Speaker 1: actually could do to improve. We were on two completely
Speaker 1: different planets. Here does iron cologne still around roof by?
Speaker 1: What about shoes? What kind of what kind of shoes
Speaker 1: should they wear? Because the problem with this hit row
Speaker 1: is they were wearing modern shoes. But we need our
Speaker 1: high tops. If there were more high tops in wrestling,
Speaker 1: you know, we would probably be doing a lot better
Speaker 1: right now. We would be attracting the younger demo. High
Speaker 1: top shoes. Mm hmm, leg warmers, warmers, yes, head bands?
Speaker 1: Where's all the head bands Atman Walkman? Exactly? M hmm,
Speaker 1: l A gear Zoo bas Converse Zoo baz is I
Speaker 1: tell you what now that now we're cooking with real
Speaker 1: heat here for having seen where's all fringe and mullets
Speaker 1: without having some zoo bats. Where's all the where's all
Speaker 1: the chaps? I haven't seen a lot of people wearing
Speaker 1: chaps of chaps. Yeah, cowboy hats are really down to
Speaker 1: remember the wrestling. But Rob Bass Black, you're the cowboy
Speaker 1: hats all over the place. We're cowboy hats. Brooks and
Speaker 1: Jensenaliti or wherever the Brooks and Dunn or whatever the
Speaker 1: SEC Conference guys. Those guys out there with their their
Speaker 1: new hats on everything. No cowboy hats, just like all
Speaker 1: Southerners did back in the day when it came to wrestling.
Speaker 1: That's how you knew that guy was from Texas or
Speaker 1: the South. Cowboy hat. I like this bloke here says
Speaker 1: that a nineties throwback is ridiculous, but the eighties throwback
Speaker 1: to a draw is cool. You think a draw in
Speaker 1: his sporting event is something out of the eighties, it's
Speaker 1: something out of the millions of years ago, all fights,
Speaker 1: sports boxing. Oh yeah, the new fangled concept of a
Speaker 1: drawn in a sporting event. Oh you got me there.
Speaker 1: I've never seen any sort of athletic event go to
Speaker 1: a talk, Are you kidding me? Back then the Olympics,
Speaker 1: if you went to a draw in the Greek Olympics.
Speaker 1: They they'd kill you. Did you know that there were
Speaker 1: no draws? Cast reach first, rip your draws off for
Speaker 1: going to a draw. Boy, that guy got me. M
Speaker 1: Brandon Thurston here has got the Winter is Coming ratings. Hey,
Speaker 1: it did better than I expect. It didn't hit a million,
Speaker 1: but nine hundred forty eight thousand viewers at a point
Speaker 1: three oh in eighteen forty nine. And but you heard
Speaker 1: it here first, what is going to uh, what is
Speaker 1: going to really help last night's show was at our
Speaker 1: long match because historically, and we actually kind of saw
Speaker 1: the the opposite of this on Raw Monday, which you
Speaker 1: make multiple appearances on a show, us really the subsequent appearances.
Speaker 1: Less people watch your subsequent appearance. And Bobby Lashly wrestled
Speaker 1: in the first hour, second hour, in the third hour.
Speaker 1: First and second hour did alright, third hour big plunge,
Speaker 1: And theoretically the third match was the most important of
Speaker 1: the three because he had to win the we had
Speaker 1: to win all three to get into the pay per view.
Speaker 1: But what happens in long matches, and this actually has
Speaker 1: been tracked four a w this does still happen today
Speaker 1: and it happened a lot back in the day. Is
Speaker 1: the longer a match goes, the higher the viewership goes.
Speaker 1: People in the middle of watching a long match don't
Speaker 1: give up on the show, and more people tune in.
Speaker 1: So the longer it goes, the bigger the number. So
Speaker 1: I would bet that the hour and fifteen minutes segment
Speaker 1: is probably uh, it's probably gonna be the highest segment
Speaker 1: of the entire show, but we'll find out when we
Speaker 1: get the quarters later. On the worst part, I didn't
Speaker 1: even think that story that they told, under the circumstances
Speaker 1: and the characters involved, was even all that bad on Monday.
Speaker 1: But we've seen it so many times, so many times over,
Speaker 1: and so many tired examples of it that again, you
Speaker 1: knew it as soon as Owen's went out, you knew
Speaker 1: it by the second match, And again, if you wanted
Speaker 1: to watch football or anything else that may have been on,
Speaker 1: that was a great chance to do it because you
Speaker 1: figured last year was gonna be in there, and if
Speaker 1: you you found out something different, you can always go back.
Speaker 1: But I don't think it kept people, whereas obviously Danielson
Speaker 1: Page I believe it would. I think Hi Hi, those
Speaker 1: types of matches always do, so, Yeah, the eighteen to
Speaker 1: forty nine was down five percent, viewership was up seven percent,
Speaker 1: and the reason for the increase in viewership with eighteen
Speaker 1: and forty nine down it was men eighteen to thirty four.
Speaker 1: They were up four percent in males eighteen and thirty four,
Speaker 1: so they did in fact attract a younger demographic with
Speaker 1: the show, although a lot of the other demos were
Speaker 1: down slightly. The just drop was females thirty five to
Speaker 1: forty nine. Apparently I didn't like that Hangman Brian Danielson
Speaker 1: match or something I don't even know should have sent hook.
Speaker 1: Also be interesting to see how the MGF quarter does
Speaker 1: because MGF is unfortunately for me to have to say
Speaker 1: he's on a pretty he's on a rule. He's a mover,
Speaker 1: so we'll see how it goes. He won the diamond
Speaker 1: ring though, by the way, back in the moup with Mobs,
Speaker 1: they were alive. Didn't that bloke with that franken Steiner
Speaker 1: is that better worse than braun Breaker's. Frankent Steiner's actually
Speaker 1: better than the one he did on an I see
Speaker 1: this week, but I think the one he did last
Speaker 1: week was better than that. One I just did. So
Speaker 1: he's almost he's almost as consistently good as I was
Speaker 1: back then. Well, you know how many matches had you
Speaker 1: had to that point, He's had what about ten, actually
Speaker 1: a lot more than braun Breaker had. At that point
Speaker 1: he was gonna say I was not as muscular as
Speaker 1: braun Breaker. However, somebody on the chat goes, you were
Speaker 1: in great shape. What were you doing back then? I'm
Speaker 1: in a gymnastics facility. Anythink I was doing. I was
Speaker 1: doing gymnastics. Also, didn't broun Breaker was doing, which was
Speaker 1: a lot of weight training, and he lifted heavier than
Speaker 1: I did at the time. That's a little bit. That's
Speaker 1: what got him over with the Ravens, I've read that
Speaker 1: was the big deal. I think at the Combine was
Speaker 1: his bench reps, and I guess at Ravens camp when
Speaker 1: he was there too, was just like, look at this
Speaker 1: freak of nature. Look at this well Steiner. You know
Speaker 1: what he wasn't doing. He wasn't he wasn't taking mega
Speaker 1: mass two thousand or he'd probably be as big as
Speaker 1: Scott Steiner right now, two thousand calories of of sugar.
Speaker 1: I just think about, like my then they had a
Speaker 1: mega mass four thousand well, the protein four thousand calories
Speaker 1: in one giant scoop, the sugar all that just oh god,
Speaker 1: I don't think I was all that healthy when I
Speaker 1: was really fat that Jack Evans match well, plus on
Speaker 1: top of it, I was actually trying to like keep
Speaker 1: weight all you were trying to gain weight, which made
Speaker 1: it even worse. I would avoid fast food. Guys like
Speaker 1: you actually had to eat fast food, and it actually
Speaker 1: would make me jealous because you can eat all you want,
Speaker 1: you still never put on weed. And by the way,
Speaker 1: this person said that I was on ico Pro, I
Speaker 1: actually did use ico Pro for a while. Get out
Speaker 1: of here when w W was telling of course I
Speaker 1: did used horrible, horrible, terrible stuff. I used later a
Speaker 1: four Horsemen vitamins, though tasted like the brown chuck. Oh god,
Speaker 1: did it really? Hey? Right time, everybody, thanks for listening.
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