WEBVTT - AEW Dynamite Winter Is Coming/Hangman vs Danielson/Tokyo Dome Lineups 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:02.840 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:09.039 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:16.680 Let's get it all. How's it going, everybody? Brian Alvarez 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.720 here on or Wrestling Observer Live. We are here every 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:21.960 day Monday through Friday, a New Pacific three e Stern 0:00:22.120 --> 0:00:28.120 Sunday three Pacific, sixth Eastern. Well, it's Thursday on this program, 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.720 and you know what that means. I got a lot 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.720 of news to get into here today, and not the 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:39.680 least of which is last night a e W Dynamite 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:47.440 Winter is Coming Hangman Page versus Brian Danielson sixty minute 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.760 time limit draw. I thought for sure Hangman was just 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:55.280 gonna beat Bryan Danielson, but in fact they went to 0:00:55.320 --> 0:00:58.520 a six minute draw. And it's funny. I didn't expect it, 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:00.840 but as it was going on, I wasn't at least 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:04.560 bit surprised. So obviously we're heading to a no time 0:01:04.720 --> 0:01:07.360 limit rematch for the championship, perhaps in the next pay 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:10.080 per view, perhaps it to the one of the big 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:15.000 shows coming up in early January. But excellent, fantastic match. 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:17.560 I don't have enough good things to say about it, 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.679 but that was by far the highlight of the a 0:01:20.920 --> 0:01:24.160 W show on Wednesday nights, so we can talk about that. 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:26.840 We have more details on Kevin Owens contract. We have 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:29.959 a full lineup for two nights from the Tokyo Dome 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:33.800 January four and January five, so we'll over all of 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:39.160 those matches their n x T ratings from Wednesday Tuesday night. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:41.880 I guess it would be, and I've now watched all 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:43.400 of a w all n x T. So if you 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:45.080 want to talk about anything on either of those shows, 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.160 you're welcome to do so here today. We also will 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:50.080 be taking your phone calls the number four to five 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.520 seven eight zero seven five six six. That is four 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:56.800 to five seven eight zero seven five six six. 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Happy birthday to the late great Brody 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.200 Lee today his birthday to my twitter at Brian albert 0:02:58.240 --> 0:02:59.880 as all sorts of people have been tweeting all sorts 0:02:59.919 --> 0:03:03.240 of things. Best wishes to himself, his family, all of 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:09.000 his friends. That is today. And uh, last night, of course, 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:14.320 was Winners Coming. We had a sixty minute draw with 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:18.400 Brian Danielson and Hangman Page. And you know, you can 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.000 always find somebody's gonna complain about something on the internet. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.240 I was actually stunned that we had people complaining about 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:25.400 the match last night. But you know, when you get 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:28.560 something for free on television, damn it. I want what 0:03:28.600 --> 0:03:31.760 I want, Don't give me a draw. I actually heard 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.280 some of the day to day, but we're gonna largely 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:39.560 ignore the stupidity. It was a great match. Obviously, We're 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:42.200 building to a no time limit match down the road, 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:47.080 which I'm sure will be as good or better. Arguably 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:49.800 better because this was the first match they ever had together, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.200 and the way they built the match up there's still 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:53.880 a lot of things that they could do to play 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.760 off this match in the second match. So if I 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.440 had to guess, I would say that the rematch actually 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.320 is not going to go more than an hour. I 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.560 think they will build it as a no time limit match, 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:07.840 but it would go closer to two minutes and then 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:11.560 actually give us a finish with the Hangman meeting Brian Danielson. 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.440 But I thought the match was was fantastic the show itself. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:18.599 You know, yesterday we were going over the lineup and 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.760 I pointed out, we got four matches, and because we 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.960 have four matches, that leaves a lot of time, I 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.679 said for some other stuff to happen on the show, 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:31.120 and in fact it didn't because the championship match went 0:04:31.360 --> 0:04:34.880 an hour, and if you count the introductions and everything 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:36.840 like that, that that whole segment went like an hour 0:04:36.960 --> 0:04:40.200 ten minutes, and then they had their three other matches 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:45.960 and no debuts, which I expected a debut, But if 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:47.880 you actually go back and you listen to what Tony 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:54.000 Khan said about debuts, he actually said not necessarily tonight, 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:58.200 meaning winter is coming, because in fact there weren't any. 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:00.160 So I guess some debuts will be happening next week. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:02.080 The Briscoes, I presume will be there at any time. 0:05:02.920 --> 0:05:07.960 But overall, a A just a fantastic edition of a 0:05:08.080 --> 0:05:12.160 E W Dynamite. And now I have to miss next 0:05:12.200 --> 0:05:14.760 week's shows, so you're gonna be in charge of covering 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:17.919 the debuts next week. Like I'll be quite happy with that, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.720 especially if the Brisco's happened to show up after those 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.280 lights go out and they come back on again. But 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.440 that was perfect. People are gonna complain about everything. I don't. 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:30.320 I don't really care about that. But when he gets 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:35.159 right down to it, Adam Page is the a W champion, 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:37.960 brand new young guys starting out in this business, a 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:41.000 new star on the wrestling scene for the most part. Yeah, 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.240 ring of Monter fans and New Japan all that, Yeah, 0:05:43.360 --> 0:05:45.960 but still on this type of landscape. Here he is 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.839 representing your company. And it wasn't a case where Brian 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:54.000 Danielson had him in the LaBelle lock going off the air. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.640 This kid struggling and and Brian Danielson was this close. Nope, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.120 the champion was rallying, he was looking good, and this 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.599 young guy had this whold guy on the ropes. They 0:06:04.640 --> 0:06:06.559 had him down and he's had a little bit more time, 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:09.360 he would have finished him off. But because of who 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.520 Brian Danielson is, all he's got to do is say no, 0:06:12.640 --> 0:06:14.560 you wouldn't. I would have reversed it. I would have 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:18.240 kicked out, whatever, let's go ninety minutes. That's what they 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:19.719 would have did in the old days, if this was 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:22.040 you know, Rick Flair and Barry Wyndham. You can't do 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:25.440 that now. I wouldn't even dare advertise that now. I 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:28.160 wouldn't even necessarily say do an unlimited main event. I 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.480 don't even think you have to do that. Just another 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:34.200 sixty minutes, just another championship match, just another chance for 0:06:34.240 --> 0:06:36.440 both of those guys to get at each other. And 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:39.840 I thought the presentation of it, I thought it was fantastic, 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:41.760 and I thought it was a really good night. And 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:44.159 it shows that you can do a limited amount of 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.400 matches if what you're doing. Obviously it helps to have 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.159 a guy like Brian Danielson there, but you can have 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:53.000 limited matches, but as long as they mean something great 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.760 sheetah in in uh Serena Deeve was another great example 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.880 of that later on in a completely different way. But 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:02.640 I thought that was a spectacular match, and I think 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:06.080 Brian Danielson is a spectacular wrestler, and while we keep 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.880 heeping praise on him for how great that match was 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:12.160 out of page for sixty minutes, hung in there and 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:17.320 was great. So I'm only looking forward to seeing more. Bro. 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.440 You gotta advertise the next match as no time limits. 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:22.520 That's fair, I'm I'm okay with I don't think you 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.480 have to, but I'm great. Here's why I think you 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.080 have to, because the one thing about the match that 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:30.280 was amazing last night is if you watched the match, 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.280 and it doesn't really count for me because I knew 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.720 what happened before I watched the show, but they were 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.040 they started slow, and once you passed the thirty minute 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.880 mark and you start to get to the forty minute mark, 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:46.560 I mean, you know, I would think that you should 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:48.520 be clued in at this point that this match is 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.400 going an hour. But if you actually watched the things, honestly, 0:07:51.440 --> 0:07:53.080 you could have said that leading off the show. The 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.320 fact that it let off the show, I think a 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:57.960 lot of old fans to go what's happening. But the 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.720 fact of the matter is, if you watched the match, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:02.600 I mean, the fans kept getting mad when they kept 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.640 hearing the time calls, but they didn't like give up 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:07.200 on the match because they thought that it was gonna 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.600 go to a draw. They were into every single one 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:11.960 of those near faults in the last minute or two 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.160 that they're telling that there's one minute left, and the 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.240 fans are going nuts, and he goes out there for 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.840 the like they thought that he might win at fifty eight. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:25.000 But when they went to the draw, the fans booed 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:29.600 mightily because they wanted to finish. And the fans booed 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:33.320 and they chanted five more minutes. And to me, when 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.960 you have that reaction from your audience, it's no big 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.800 deal to do it one time. You have to train 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.560 your audience and every now and then you can actually 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.920 have a sixty minute draw. But you need to then 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:45.200 tell the audience if we do this again, you're not 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.400 gonna get a sixty minute draw. So you don't have 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:50.720 to go more than sixty minutes. But I do believe 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.920 that it must be advertised if these men wrestle again, 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.680 you will get a winner one way or the other. 0:08:57.840 --> 0:08:59.199 We already know they're not gonna do a d Q. 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:01.760 We already know. I mean, I don't think anyone thinks 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.720 they're gonna do a count out, but they have told 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.800 us on multiple occasions that they will do draws. So 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:09.599 I think that after a sixty minute draw, it is 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.760 very important to tell the fans, especially on pay per view, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.840 because listen, if you were watching the show and you 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.160 didn't like a draw, like, you're welcome to not like 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:21.360 the draw, But brother, it was free on television. It 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:23.760 was free. The worst you had to put up with 0:09:23.760 --> 0:09:27.520 with some commercials. You didn't pay one cent for this match, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.640 so don't complain about a draw to me. Now, if 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.840 you pay fifty bucks and you're buying a pay per view. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:36.000 If this were on the last day, this is one 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:38.360 full gear and they went to a sixty minute draw, 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:41.920 I would have been fine with it. But I can 0:09:42.000 --> 0:09:44.199 understand a lot of fans wouldn't be fine with it 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.160 because they pay their money for finishes. That's what a 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.000 W has taught them. You pay your money, you're gonna 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.079 get it finish. So I do believe if this runs 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.640 on pay per view, they need to advertise no time limit. 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:59.920 There must be a winner, and I think that will 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.160 even think it's an argument, they're gonna do it one 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.560 fall to a finish. That's all you gotta say, you know, 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:10.480 and that's people complaining about this. How can you even 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.440 give him any oxygen to let them do it? Isn't free. 0:10:13.520 --> 0:10:15.960 Get out of here, you idiots, Get out of here. 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:18.760 I mean, why you even give that the type of 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:23.360 oxygen because it was a it's pro wrestling. You're gonna 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:25.600 have draws, You're gonna have d q s, you're gonna 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:28.040 have You're gonna have all sorts of things. Did they 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:33.120 give you the art, did they give you the athleticism 0:10:33.160 --> 0:10:35.760 that they give you the story that they have the 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:37.559 people in the palm of their hand as they went 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.200 to the end, Yes, yes they did. So what are 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:44.240 you really complaining about? What are you really bitching about? 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.040 What do you really all sorts of but heard about 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.280 when he comes to it because that match wasn't in 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.400 w I mean, does it really? Is this really about 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:54.520 the fact that you didn't get a finish or a winner? 0:10:54.960 --> 0:10:57.120 I tend to doubt it. I think those things are 0:10:57.679 --> 0:10:59.959 probably just propped up there for the people that want 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.880 a bitch moaning complain about the fact that a w 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:08.080 did something in their favorite other promotion didn't. You should 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:11.840 also know that if you're if you're complaining that hangman 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.360 looked bad or whatever bad, you know I have I 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:20.320 have heard over the last two and a half years, 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.760 so many example, well it's his first defense and he 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:27.280 couldn't beat the guy. Listen, everybody, listen. You know many 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.240 times I've heard folks on the internet tell me that 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:34.400 somebody was ruined, somebody was doomed, somebody was like it 0:11:34.440 --> 0:11:37.520 was all over blah blah. It never happened, not one time. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:39.920 The Hangman is gonna be all right. He had the 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:44.000 match one. Yes, that's the whole point. What I said 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:48.160 earlier on that you your champion, the a W champion. 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.319 This young guy was about to put the finishing touches 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.960 on Daniel Bryan Bryan Danielson. Period. Everybody who's got that 0:11:56.000 --> 0:11:59.680 other opinion, shut up. More news and more after the breaks, 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:24.640 every lot. Don't do it, boss, don't do it. I 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:28.679 saw you, I saw you. Everybody. Welcome back to a 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:35.320 point here. If you don't like the draw, that's fine. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.280 I didn't say you had to like it. I said 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.680 that being angry about it, like you deserve a finish 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.839 on a free TV show. It's ridiculous, Okay, listen, I 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:50.360 would have preferred a winner too, But what a W 0:12:50.679 --> 0:12:54.800 does is they book so that they can make money 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.640 off pay per views. Okay, my guess is that the 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:02.240 more pay per view is going to be headlined by 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.160 Hangman Page versus Brian Danielson in a no time limit 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:08.680 must be a winner match. Okay, if you beat Brian 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.520 Danielson on television, the pay per view is going to 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:15.080 do fine, But nobody is paying in big numbers to 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:17.280 see a rematch of a of a finish that we 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.760 already saw. Okay, if you do a pay per view 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:25.360 and you build this as must be a winner coming 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:28.800 off a sixty minute draw with no time limit, that 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:32.240 will do significant. They will sell significantly more pay per 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.320 views to see one of those men defeat the other. 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.720 Brian Danielson has never been defeated in a W. Hangman 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.080 Page obviously has never been defeated as the champion, so 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:45.640 I can tell you this, And they actually mentioned the 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:49.920 guy's name last night. Right Back. Okay, there's no logical 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.559 reason why right Back should ever have sold pay per views, 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.520 but he did because they put right Back and see 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:59.600 him Punk in a cage. Right Back had never lost, 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:04.440 and CM Punk had been champion for two days or whatever, 0:14:05.040 --> 0:14:07.719 and they sold pay per views. Okay, you you can 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.840 count on one hand the number of pay per views 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:11.920 it did better than average for w w E based 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.600 on a match if it wasn't WrestleMania, if Brian Danielson 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:20.440 has not lost, Hangman Page has not lost. You put 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:23.120 them together on pay per view and you say there 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.400 will be a winner, you probably will do your best 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.080 pay per view number that they've ever done. You beat 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.880 Brian Danielson on television in this match last night, and 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:35.320 you try to rematch that match in March in doing 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.320 a record breaking Page, You're just not not off that match. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.920 I mean maybe if you've got the debut of the Rock, 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:44.840 but that's the point of the draw. You don't have 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:47.800 to like it. But that's why they did it. And 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:49.360 it's not the end of the world for the Hangman, 0:14:49.880 --> 0:14:51.680 and it's not the end of the world for Brian Danielson, 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:53.240 and it's not the end of the world for a 0:14:53.560 --> 0:14:56.440 w That's it. Yeah. The only thing I'm going to 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.760 disagree with you on is, and it saw a matter 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.640 of personal preference, is you know what would you have 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:05.040 rather had to finish? No, And I'll tell you why, 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:08.880 because again, the guys that were painting the picture were 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.400 so good, and that is led obviously by Brian Danielson, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.960 who I assume called most of that match. I assume 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:18.520 you know it. Just forget about all the assumptions. What 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.640 I know. I know what I saw, and what I 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.360 saw was great professional wrestling, and there are ways to 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.280 build lots of things that make you want more. And yeah, 0:15:27.360 --> 0:15:29.040 you could have had a finish there, but does that 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:32.880 benefit either guy more than what you were just talking about? 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.320 This draw that you now build to, this no time 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:38.840 limit pay per view match where you're selling it, where 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.160 you are going to get a finish? Is Adam Page 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:44.320 that good? Did Daniel Brian have him on the ropes 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:46.760 too much? Did he take too much time trying to 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:50.000 get that pin? Is Daniel Brian still that guy? Or 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:51.560 is he just a guy the Page is going to 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:54.040 conquer before he moves on to see him punk or 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:57.400 whatever comes, whatever stories you want to tell coming off 0:15:57.440 --> 0:15:59.880 of it. I thought the picture that they painted was 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.520 perfect for the situation, and that's what it comes right 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:05.800 down to. He said, there's no logical reason that that 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.360 right back should have been the one to sell pay 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:09.720 per views. Yes, there is, and it's the reason that 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:12.440 you mentioned, because it's pro wrestling booking and when it's 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.560 done well, it makes people want things. And right back 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:20.120 being undefeated CM Punk with that long championship rain, it 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.400 was going to be in the cage. They basically booked 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:25.800 themselves into a corner unfortunately because they had a themed 0:16:25.880 --> 0:16:28.280 pay per view, and that's what really got him there 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:31.120 with Helen the Cell, I think it was. But I mean, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:33.920 that's the whole thing, is proressing booking, and I thought 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.320 the progressing booking on last night's Dynamite was top notch, 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:40.680 and I thought the performances. Again, anybody that wants to complain, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.760 I I again, when you start listening to the the reasons 0:16:43.800 --> 0:16:48.080 of what you're really complaining about, I mean, come on now. Also, 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:52.680 I don't know where they're going, but they didn't do 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.720 this draw just because they decided to put a match 0:16:54.720 --> 0:16:57.600 together and didn't want either guy to win. I I 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.000 hesitate even say this. Kudn't want people writing stories about 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.280 is because honestly, I don't know, and I asked and 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.800 nobody answered, okay, But if you don't think that they've 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.840 been planning this Brian Danielson deal for a while. I mean, 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.479 think again, it could I suppose it's possible. It just 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.640 happens to be coincidence. But what a coincidence that when 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.159 Brian Danielson was was heading towards this match with Hangman 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:26.080 Page that Winter is coming, there just happened to be 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:30.640 a Dark Order member from every city that they went 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.119 to in the weeks leading up to it. Isn't that 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.679 kind of strange? And of course Hangman Page was essentially 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:41.520 in his hometown the week after the the uh Full 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.280 Gear where he won the championship. It's almost like they 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.119 booked so far in advance that they can book cities 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:50.359 to you know what I'm saying to play into what 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:53.280 they're doing for their storytelling. So they have a plan 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:57.600 based off this draw leading months down the road. What 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:00.680 it is I don't know, But this was is not oh, 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:03.320 you know, we booked ourselves into a corner. We just 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.080 realized we don't want to beat Danielson. We're certainly not 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.840 gonna beat Hangman. Let's just go to a drum and 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.880 we'll figure none of that happened. This is a this 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.639 is a plan. It must suck to have a plan 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.560 like that. How can you tear up the script an 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:21.760 hour before the show and rewrite the whole thing when 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.639 you gotta stick to a plan. What fun is that? What? What? What? 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:29.919 What are you gonna do there? Look? Page and and 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.880 Brian Danielson. Another thing about this too is Brian Daniel. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.919 When's the last time Brian Danielson went sixty minutes? Probably 0:18:36.960 --> 0:18:39.080 has been a minute, you know what I mean? So 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.320 I think that's another thing is not only does it 0:18:41.400 --> 0:18:43.800 make Page look strong as your champion, and it is 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.920 a feather in his cap because you know, what was 0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:48.879 the longest match was the Omega mat I. You know, 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:51.800 I don't even know what what hangman Page's longest matches, 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:55.200 but you know, on this scale, you know, recently, this 0:18:55.280 --> 0:18:58.239 is his most high profile thing. And he looked I 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.639 thought he looked fantastic doing it. And I again, it's 0:19:01.680 --> 0:19:03.639 only going to get better the second time around with 0:19:03.720 --> 0:19:06.639 those two. I don't think you lost anything. Look that match. 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.960 The the only risk I think you had last night 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:14.160 was something going bad real bad early or something like 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.120 that where or the timing or whatever it was, and 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:21.639 it just didn't happen. So again, any complaints about this, 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:24.000 any whining or pitching or convenching or any of that 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:29.399 sort of stuff is just it's nonsense. Kevin Owens is 0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.080 obviously we signed with w w E. As we mentioned, 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:36.399 we have more info coming off last night's Wrestling Observer 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:42.800 radio emails reported owens new contract is a three year deal. 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:46.000 Miltzer said, the contract, it's in the range of two 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.520 to three million per year. What a shocker that I 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:51.920 suspected that exact amount yesterday signed a three year deal 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.680 with w w E. I believe it was actually a 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.200 couple of weeks ago when this happened. It's a good 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.240 money deal. I think the feeling was it was more 0:19:58.320 --> 0:19:59.720 than he would be able to get with a W 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.879 to three million that range per year. So it maybe, 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.000 I don't want to say probably will be because I 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:06.720 don't know what a w would have offered. There are 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:08.679 guys in a W make in that range, but not 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.840 a lot. I don't know that he would be able 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.840 to get it. There's a million different things. He made 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.080 the right call for himself. He noted there is no 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:20.280 no cut clause, which, of course there's no no cut 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.919 clause w w E. These contracts. The w w E 0:20:23.920 --> 0:20:27.440 science folks too, you're on their terms. Where did this 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:30.920 come from? And this something where this ball started rolling 0:20:30.920 --> 0:20:34.400 on people wanting no cut contracts as if they exist 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:37.600 kind of anywhere. You know what I mean, I don't know. 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.840 I mean to me, listen, take your money, dude, take 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:44.280 your three million dollars a year, and if they cut 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.000 you next year, who cares? You made three million dollars 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:50.120 and then you go to the other place you made 0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:53.080 one out in a year. It's funny, like, I don't 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.040 even know. Do you think he sells a lot of 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:58.320 march Do you think he makes good money that he's 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:01.320 putting in the bank. It's just because I I hear 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:04.240 you know, some people get so angry about these these deals, 0:21:04.640 --> 0:21:06.760 and you hear the argument said, well, if w W 0:21:06.840 --> 0:21:08.480 E has the right to cut you every ninety days, 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:09.920 then you should have the right to get out every 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.199 ninety days. But then you want him to have a 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.760 no cut, so you want to know cut that both 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:18.600 sides can count. Like whatever doesn't matter. Make your money, 0:21:18.880 --> 0:21:21.479 make your money, make your decision where you're gonna go 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.800 make your money, and if you get cut, go somewhere 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.280 else and make your money. Right. This is not rocket science. 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:33.280 It really isn't. And again people are I'm disappointed. Shut up, 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:35.760 You're not his wife, you're not his kids, you're not 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:38.520 his family. You know, there's You've got to take yourself 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.320 out of the fact that you are really wanting this 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:43.680 guy to perform like he hasn't he done that? Enough? 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:45.960 Are the memories not enough? Where if this guy doesn't 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.400 reach these great grand performances against see him? Punker Brian 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:53.280