1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: At least nine Americans, including six children, brutally murdered in 2 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: a massacre after a drug cartel opens fire on this family. 3 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: They could be your neighbors, your cousins, your sister. One 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: hero mother dies shielding her seven month old baby girl 5 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:33,200 Speaker 1: who lived a thirteen year old boy. The brother hid 6 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: his little brothers and sisters from the gunman in bushes, 7 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 1: then he walked thirteen miles to get help. The authorities 8 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 1: there and Sonara say that one person, a heavily armed 9 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: man close where the attacks took place, may possibly have participated, 10 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: and the evidences quote being analyzed seriously, they can't figure 11 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: out who did it. I mean it's he Gray. This 12 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: is crime stories, Crime Stories with Nancy, Grace, Nita, and 13 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: four of my grandchildren. Bert shot up three women and 14 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: at least six children, including twin infants, ambushed and shot 15 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: in a remote mountainous area south of the US border. 16 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 1: Some of the survivors, including at least five children, who 17 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: were flown by helicopter to be treated for gunshot wounds 18 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: in Tucson, Arizona. They somehow escaped the slaughter, the oldest 19 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: who was thirteen. I believe he hid them all under 20 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: a bush on the side of the road, told him 21 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: to stay, and he ran victims. Relatives say the group 22 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: was traveling by caravan picking up family members preparing for 23 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: an upcoming wedding. They were traveling in three separate SUVs, 24 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: deep and Narco territory and admit an ongoing cartel war. 25 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: Mexican officials think the women's SUVs may have been mistaken 26 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: by rival drug gangs. Relatives say at one point, one 27 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: of the mothers got out of her vehicle with her 28 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: hands up to show they were families. The gunmen shot 29 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: her point blank in the chest. Mexico has always been 30 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: safe for us growing up. I always felt safe there, 31 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: and just in the last few months it's gotten a 32 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 1: little scary. The drug violence getting worse in Mexico, and 33 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: tonight an American family that was ready to celebrate a 34 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 1: wedding now preparing for several funerals. At least nine Americans, 35 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: including six children, brutally murdered in a massacre. A hero 36 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 1: mother dies shielding her seven month old baby girl who survived, 37 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: while one boy hides his brothers and sisters from the 38 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 1: killers in bushes, then walks thirteen miles to get help 39 00:02:56,360 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: after a drug cartail opens fire on this family again, 40 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: killing nine. I mean, I see, Grace, this is crime stories. 41 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. The pain this family 42 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: has endured is reverberating, and my question is what are 43 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 1: we Americans going to do about it? You were just 44 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: hearing our friends over at ABC. It's overwhelming to me 45 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: what has happened. Straight out to Radar Online dot Com 46 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: investigative reporter Alexis Terres Chuck, Alexis, I just as you know, 47 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: hand it in a manuscript to my publisher, Hashet and 48 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: the title of the book is Don't Be a Victim, 49 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: Fighting back against America's Crime Wife. It's not on the 50 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: shelves yet, but I've researched and worked on the book 51 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: for almost two years. A major chapter is traveling Abroad 52 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: how to Stay Safe. I researched into Mexico, where I've 53 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: been many times, going diving there. At the end, I 54 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 1: finally titled it just don't go, Just don't go because 55 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: the murderer. The homicide rate in Mexico is horrible and 56 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: it's the number one vacation destination of US citizens. Tell 57 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: me what happens. Start at the beginning in Lecas, I 58 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: don't understand, mothers, babies, children all shot dead. These families 59 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: were not on vacation. They all set out in the morning, daylight, 60 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: broad daylight, three large SUVs Chevrolet Tahoe's big big cars 61 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: to go to a family wedding and to go pick 62 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: up with one of the ladies husbands at the Phoenix, 63 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: Arizona Airport. So they drive in their cars with all 64 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: of their children and they are stopped on the road, 65 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,119 Speaker 1: which is, I guess is a notorious area for drug 66 00:04:54,160 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: cartel problems. These women and children are defenseless, absolutely defenseless. 67 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: They are murdered, slaughtered, shot in their cars separately. Each 68 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: suv was had a mother and children in it, and 69 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: each mother and her children were killed by multiple gunshots, 70 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds. Their bodies were riddled with bullets, including the 71 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: children joining me an all Star panel Professor Forensics, Jacksonville 72 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: State University, Joseph Scott Morgan, author of Blood Beneath My 73 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: Feet on Amazon. Doctor Kendall Crown's medical examiner, Travis County, Texas. 74 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: That's Austin newcomer today. Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, Psychologists professor 75 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: at Columbia University. That's not shabby. Joining me right now. 76 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 1: James Galliano, former FBI Supervisory special Agent and attest Shade 77 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: to Mexico for two years. James Galliano, International crimes expert. 78 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: James Galliano, thank you for being with us, James. This 79 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: family traveling caravan style to a wedding. The mommy, one 80 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: of the mommies, gets out, holds her hands up in 81 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: the air for Pete's sake, and they shoot her dead. Well, 82 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: help me, James, help me understand why it happened and what, 83 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: if anything, we can do about it. Well, that's a 84 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: that's a that's a great question, Nancy. And uh, you know, 85 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: and listening to the lead up, you know, in regards 86 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: to Mexico, you pointed out I lived there from twenty 87 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: and thirteen through twenty fourteen, and Mexico has a huge 88 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: violence problem. You know, it's a it's a country I 89 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: think horrible. James, listen, I'm just on the tip. I'm 90 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. You live there, but I've 91 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: been there many many times when I was a diving enthusiast. 92 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: I quit that after the twins were born because I 93 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 1: feel that the risk is too great and I don't 94 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:55,159 Speaker 1: want to leave them without a mom. But researching for 95 00:06:55,240 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: this book, it's so many America has just gunned down, 96 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: like leaving restaurants, walking downtown, walking in a shopping area, 97 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: just gotten down for no reason. Tourists. Well, I think 98 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: we need to make a distinction there though. I mean, 99 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: you know, the two years that I was there, we 100 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: had very, very very few cases of actual American citizens 101 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: being killed there. And Mexico is a country of one 102 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: hundred and twenty nine million people. I think last year 103 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: they suffered thirty three thousand homicides. That's that's horrific. The 104 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: United States says three hundred and thirty five million people, 105 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: and I think last year we were just around sixteen 106 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: thousand homicides, So certainly per capita. There are areas like 107 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: where this case happened up in the Sonora region along 108 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: the border up near Chihuahua, places like Seuda de Warez, 109 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: places like that that are known for for cartel you know, 110 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: the blood bat that's associated with the cartels. I will 111 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: caveat if by saying this, I do travel back to 112 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: Mexico now with my family and do visit. You have 113 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: to stick to the rules, and the rules are you 114 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: stay by major urban areas, places like Mexico City to 115 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: per Se where there's two one million James James, James James, Yes, okay, 116 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: I would not have known all these stats if I 117 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: had not just finished literally writing a book about it. 118 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: When you go online to the US government website, it 119 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: lists all of these Mexican cities. Do not travel, be 120 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: on alert, high alert, don't go here, don't go there, 121 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: and then they give you all these outlines. Don't do this, 122 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: don't do that, don't go to this region, don't go 123 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: to that region. I mean, And they're high profile tourist areas. 124 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:36,679 Speaker 1: I would like to point out they're not all small 125 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: border towns that many Americans have not heard of. A 126 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: lot of them are areas that are hot spots for 127 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: American tourists. But how has the cartel taken over Mexico 128 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: and now they go with impunity and murder mothers with 129 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: their children. How's that happening? And what if anything can 130 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: we do about it? As the American government? What can 131 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: we do well? I would never see that a tourist 132 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: gets on a long, lonely stretch of highway, you know, 133 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: through San Luis, spoke to See or places like that, 134 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: headed up north toward the border areas. I would tell 135 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: them to stay close to the resorts, because you know, 136 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: Mexico's economy is built essentially in American tourism, and they 137 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: certainly want to make sure that they get to the 138 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: bottom of this. My frustration is just I don't believe 139 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 1: the case is being worked concurrently. Blah blah blah. James, 140 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: no offense. I am not spitting in the face of 141 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the FBI. Never would I do that, but quote getting 142 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: to the bottom of it. I already know what happened. 143 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: A Mexican drug cartail, which is the lowest of the 144 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: low or drug pushers, drug distributors. They ruined lives, they 145 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: murdered nine American citizens. I've already gotten to the bottom 146 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: of it. My question is what's going to happen now? 147 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we were always told if 148 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: you're not in the mafia, you'll be safe. They won't 149 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: hurt you. They won't they won't bother you. After this incident, 150 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 1: I know that it's not true. Three suv set out 151 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: from Leamura, about seventy miles south of Douglas, Arizona. As 152 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: the convoy came under fire, some of the children managed 153 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: to escape the oldest, who was thirteen. He hit the 154 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: rest of the kids behind a tree on the side 155 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 1: of the road and walked back to our community to 156 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: get help. Just off all, the governor of Sonora tweeting, 157 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,559 Speaker 1: I don't know what kind of monsters dare to hurt 158 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 1: women and children. As governor, I will do everything to 159 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 1: make sure this does not go unpunished. In those responsible 160 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: pay this morning. It's still unclear what motivated disattack. If 161 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: you go to crime online dot com and you see 162 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: the faces of this family slaughtered, they could be your neighbors, 163 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: your cousins, your sister, your nephews, your niece's. Nine members 164 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: of the Albarian family were attacked eight miles apart while 165 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:16,079 Speaker 1: traveling in a convoy back and forth to a wedding. 166 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: One hero mother dies shielding her seven month old baby 167 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 1: girl who lived a thirteen year old boy. The brother 168 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: hid his little brothers and sisters from the gunman in bushes, 169 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: then he walked thirteen miles to get help to Joseph 170 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood 171 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He is a death investigator. 172 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: You have studied every bit of information that has been released. 173 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: What can you tell happened based on the forensics. Well, 174 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Nancy, I was looking over the 175 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: crime scene images in this particular case and they're absolutely horrific. Specifically, 176 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: what it centers around is this suv that's out in 177 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: this scrub area that they have. It looks like a 178 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: desert maybe high desert, low growth bushes. You know, they're 179 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: talking about the kids hiding away in these areas. I 180 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: don't see how anybody could be sequestered in this low 181 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: growth brush. But one of the things that's very striking, Nancy, 182 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: is that the vehicle that the images kind of center 183 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: in on, and I think that a lot of people 184 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: have already seen this in the news, has been burned out. Nancy. 185 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: The tires on this vehicle are gone. And in order 186 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: to literally melt the tires on a vehicle, you're looking 187 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: at about eleven hundred degrees temperature. So that begs the 188 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: question from a forensics perspective, what was the goal here? 189 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: Was it to destroy evidence this sort of thing? And 190 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: another thing here is that there's one quick image that 191 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: I can see in regards to this. There is what 192 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: we would refer to as a tight shot group where 193 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: it looks like their bullet deface in the side of 194 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: the vehicle and they're very close together, which gives us 195 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: an indication that the individuals within that vehicle were in 196 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: a kill zone that was very very close to the 197 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: muzzle of that weapon. Somebody had very tight control over 198 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: the weapon that they were utilizing. It looks like the 199 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: rounds have actually passed from outside to inside of the vehicle, 200 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: and so they were specifically targeting people in that car. 201 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 1: This is a horrific scene and this is what they're 202 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: kind of hampered by, Nancy. This is a very very 203 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: isolated area. We heard how far that young man had 204 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: to walk. I'm really concerned about how much information they 205 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: could actually glean from that scene as it was it 206 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: locked down. Did they do the appropriate methodologies in order 207 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: to secure the scene and also collect the evidence is 208 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: out there, And one of the things I'm thinking about 209 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: right now are shell casings, because I don't I don't 210 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: think this is just one person that was involved in this. 211 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: They're probably multiple shooters. It looks like they ambushed this 212 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: vehicle and just absolutely slaughtered this van straight out to 213 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crown's Medical examin Or, Travis County, Texas, Austin, 214 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 1: Doctor Vun Crowns. What can we learn from the bodies themselves, 215 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: depending on how charred they are, meaning the blackening of 216 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: the skin from the burning, you can still you can 217 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: still wipe that away and get down to the layer 218 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: and find the injuries from the gunshot wounds. So not 219 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: only can you tell if you can find the gunshot wounds, 220 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 1: but you can also on the internal examination, figure out 221 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 1: if they were still alive when the fire was going. 222 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: By examining the mucosa layer of the windpiper trachea, you 223 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: can find soot and things of that nature, which shows 224 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: if the individual is still breathing, So you can tell 225 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: that they've been shot and then also tell if they 226 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: were still alive on the fires. Okay, wait, wait, wait wait, 227 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: white doctor Kendall Crowns, you just went into warp ten. 228 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 1: What did you just say? Could you explain that in 229 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: regular people talk? I sure, can I apologize? So don't 230 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: you do break it down when you get on the stand, 231 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: don't you? Oh yeah, all the time? Okay, good, okay. 232 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: Imagine me as a jurar that knows absolutely nothing about 233 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: ballistics or dead bodies help me, no problem, So, Nancy, 234 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: what you can find from an individual who's been burned 235 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: in the fire is there'll be changes of the skin 236 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: where the skin becomes blackened and hard, which we call charring. 237 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: The charring itself is kind of on the outer layer 238 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: of the skin, so you can kind of push that 239 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 1: away and still find the injuries that may be underlying 240 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 1: the charring. So you will still be able to find 241 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: the bullet holes. They may shrink from the fire, but 242 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: they still will be there, and then you'll be able 243 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: to find the injuries internally from the wound pass created 244 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: by the bullets. You can also determine if the individual 245 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: was still alive when the fire started by examining their airway, 246 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: their mouth, the trachea, which is the windpipe in the bronchi, 247 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: which are the part to the windpipe to get aired 248 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: to your lungs. And what you'll find along that is 249 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 1: a soot or kind of a black powder along the 250 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: surface of that which shows the individual was still breathing 251 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 1: at the time the fire started. Wow. Doctor Kendall von 252 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: Crowns on Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. I almost wish 253 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: I hadn't asked, but I'd rather know the entire truth 254 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: than not know. To doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis, psychologist, adjunct professor, 255 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: Columbia University, Doctor Debbie, if I may call you, that 256 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: the border killings, the massacre eight children, some of them 257 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: just infants. Some survived the ambush and they escaped the 258 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: jug cartel gunmen who killed their mothers and hid in 259 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: the bushes, then walking nearly fourteen miles for help, these 260 00:16:53,840 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: little children. This you know, My dad passed away three 261 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: years ago, and this past Sunday I was sitting in 262 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: church and just broke down crying just the thought of him. 263 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: What is this going to do to those children for 264 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: the rest of their lives, Nancy, I feel a lot 265 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: of optimism that they will do well if they continue 266 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,719 Speaker 1: to receive support. I have the impression they have large, 267 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: loving families, and if the people closest to them and 268 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: those of us in the general public focus on their 269 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: miraculous resilience, on their heroism, then they will, perhaps more 270 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: effectively than many of us adults be able to accept 271 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: that in life there are evil things that happen that 272 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: that doesn't have to destroy survivors, that they can be 273 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've used this expression in the past. 274 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: They can thrive, not only survive. I'm not saying it's 275 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: an easy journey, but I'm very optimistic judge, just going 276 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: by the actions in the face of such evil crisis 277 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: of what the thirteen year old boy and other members did, 278 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: so I have great hope that not only can they 279 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: have meaningful lives, but through their stories, they can inspire others. 280 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: You know what, Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis with US Psychologists, 281 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: Adjunct Professor, Columbia University. I'm glad you said that, and 282 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 1: I pray, I literally pray that that is true. Listen 283 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: now to our friends at Fox thirteen, Utah. The woman 284 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: we spoke to tonight asked us to conceal her identity 285 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: for fear of more retaliation. When the brother in law 286 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: went to pick up the broken down vehicle, he was 287 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: changing the tire and he saw smoke coming from just 288 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: right over the hill. One of them broke down, got 289 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: a flat tire. They came back home and swapped vehicles. 290 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: Be believe that flat tire put them in two other 291 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 1: cars in the crossfire of a turf war between Mexican 292 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,159 Speaker 1: drug cartels. That was a war between the Chihuaua cartel 293 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: and the Sonora Hotel, and that these women just happened 294 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,200 Speaker 1: to be caught in the middle. Several other children escaped 295 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: and hidden bushes. To ask for help from the Mexican 296 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: government is like asking for help from the mafia to 297 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: fight the mafia crime. Stories with Nancy grace brightened cries 298 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: of a baby and young children as their dad tries 299 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: to comfort them. These are the survivors of unimaginable horror. 300 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: All were hit by gunfire and tonight being treated in 301 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: a Tucson hospital. Three moms and six children died in 302 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: the ambush, including these eight month old twins Tiana and Titus. 303 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: After his mom and two brothers were shot to death, 304 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: thirteen year old Devin Langford was able to hide six 305 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: other siblings in nearby bushes, covering them with branches. He 306 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: then walked fourteen miles for help. His nine year old sister, Mackenzie, 307 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,919 Speaker 1: grazed in the arm, also went for help, walking four 308 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: hours in the dark, finally finding rescuers. Airlifted from Mexico 309 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: to Arizona, where eight year old Cody shot in the 310 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: jaw and leg, fourteen year old Kylie shot in the foot, 311 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 1: four year old Xander shot in the back, and Brixton, 312 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: just nine months old, shot in the chest. The tiniest miracle, 313 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: seven month old Faith Langford. It's believed her mom, Christina, 314 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: hid her baby's car seat just before she was gunned down. 315 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: Faith was found eleven hours after the massacre. For relatives, 316 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:53,320 Speaker 1: it was just an attack on There is nothing but 317 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: shocked and heartbreak. I think a lot of us are 318 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: just speechless. It's horrific to see. It's like a bad dream, 319 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: a bad dream they can't wake up from. You're hearing 320 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: our friend Janet Shamleon at CBS, welcome back. I mean, 321 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: see grace, this is crime stories. What we learned now 322 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: is that these moms were driving in separate vehicles with 323 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: their children from Lama. It was all about a wedding 324 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 1: that they were attending. Ranita Miller four of her children, 325 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: including her six month old twins Titus and Tianna, her 326 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: ten year old little girl Crystal, her twelve year old 327 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: son Howard. That's four children and the mom murdered another. 328 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: Two mothers, Donna Langford and Christina Langford Johnson and Donna's sons, 329 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: just eleven and three, also murdered Donna's son, Devin is 330 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 1: the one that walked fourteen miles to get help. He 331 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 1: covered up his little brothers and sisters with branches and 332 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 1: leaves before trying to figure out where the shots were 333 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: coming from so he could avoid being murdered himself as 334 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: he tried to get help. Now we know his relatives 335 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: say he reached them. Now we are learning. Six hours later, 336 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: the family called authorities before arming themselves to go out 337 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: looking to trying to save the other children. Christina managed 338 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: to save for seven month old baby Faith by putting 339 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: the infant on the floor. Wild bullets tore through the vehicle, 340 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 1: and this mother, even in the face of a hell 341 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,479 Speaker 1: of bullets, got out of the car to hold her 342 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: arms up in the air to protect her family. There 343 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: is a video now posted showing the charred and smoking 344 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: remains of the family's cars, riddled with bullet holes. They 345 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: were headed to Phoenix along with their children to pick 346 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: up Ranita was her husband at the airport after a 347 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: work trip, the car breaking down after they blew out 348 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: a tire. I'm just overwhelmed at the pain these families 349 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 1: are suffering. Back to James Galliano, former FBI Supervisory Special Agent, FBI, 350 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: a tache to Mexico for several years, he is an 351 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: international crimes expert. James, I'm still in the dark. I 352 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: still don't have an answer about how we America can 353 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: apprehend the killers of these nine family members. Well, Nancy, 354 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: we won't to answer your questions succinctly if we don't 355 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: get assisted. Well, that's not the answer I was hoping, James, 356 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: and give me a light. At the end of the time, 357 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: I leavened that with a bit of pith, and I 358 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,200 Speaker 1: didn't mean that. What I'm suggesting is the Mexican government 359 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 1: right now. You know, we've struggled with them for I 360 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: mean for centuries, I mean sense sense since the war 361 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: in eighteen forty six, and we have a leve hate 362 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: relationship with him. And I think it's the toughest thing 363 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: that I had to endure while working there, very closely 364 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: with Mexican law enforcement and the Mexican military, because in 365 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: their country, you're you're more successful in working operations with 366 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: the military where there's there's more of a trust level 367 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,239 Speaker 1: and there's less and I don't want to say no, 368 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: but there's less corruption because you know Mexico. In Mexico, 369 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,480 Speaker 1: the saying goes like this, assume corruption unless proven otherwise. 370 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: So I say that tongue in cheek. But the bottom 371 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: line is the Mexican government has got to ask for 372 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: our help, has got to allow our help. It's a 373 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: sovereign nation. That was the trickiest part of my job 374 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,719 Speaker 1: was massaging things, getting the Mexican government to be on 375 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: board to track down a top ten fugitive or a 376 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: parent who had taken their child and and kidnapped them, 377 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: essentially a custodial parent and brought them to Mexico. To 378 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: get cooperation, it's difficult to compel it. You have to 379 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: massage it. But I'm disheartened to what I hear through 380 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: my channels. The Mexican government and the US government are 381 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: working this investigation independently, and for the US that means 382 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: they're going to be roadblocks literally and figuratively at every 383 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: step of the investigation going forward. Well, speaking of what's 384 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: being done, listen to this. Mexican National police and military 385 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: forces dispatched to the area overnight searching for the gunmen. 386 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 1: It comes amid a string of violent episodes in the country. 387 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: Fourteen police officers were killed October fourteenth in an ambush 388 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,479 Speaker 1: stemming from violent clashes. Days later, cartel gunmen set off 389 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: a series of vicious attacks after police captured Al Chapo's son. 390 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: The government forced to release the notorious drug lord's son 391 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: just hours after capturing him. A spokesman for the US 392 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: State Department telling NBC News they are aware of the 393 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: reports of this most recent attack, but so far had 394 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: no further comment. The US ambassador to Mexico tweeting, the 395 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: safety of our fellow citizens is our top priority. I'm 396 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: very closely following the situation between Sonora and Chihuahua, closely 397 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: following it. You were hearing our friend Sam brought at 398 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: NBC closely following it. Well, what is that supposed to 399 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: bean James Galiano. Yeah, that's that's the delicate dance that 400 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: we have to do there, and Nancy I saw it 401 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 1: up close and personal for two years. It is. It 402 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 1: is very tough. The Mexicans move at the speed that 403 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: they choose to move, and I'm not suggesting in any 404 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: way that they're not actively interested in trying to solve 405 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: this case. The problem, one of the many problems here 406 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: is this is fraught with the fact that there are 407 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:34,440 Speaker 1: areas of Mexico, the Sonora region, the Chihuahua region, Michua, Khan, Sinaloa. 408 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: There are areas in Mexico where even the Mexican military 409 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: is loath to go, and we've seen evidence of that 410 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 1: of recent where the cartels essentially own those places. They 411 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 1: run them like a narco state, and that makes it 412 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: very very difficult. The police there get paid a pittance. 413 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 1: There's very limited middle class in Mexico, so if you've 414 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: become a police officer, it means that you're usually in 415 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 1: the lower or the poorer class, so you are much 416 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,479 Speaker 1: more subsets to bribes and you're certainly not going to 417 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: want to die when you're making seventeen cents a day 418 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: to serve as a police officer there. That's just one 419 00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: of the many issues I think that we're going to 420 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,919 Speaker 1: be running up against is getting cooperation and then getting 421 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: cooperation that is worth a twot, because a lot of 422 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,720 Speaker 1: the cooperation you get over there's just kind of platitudes 423 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll get back to you, Sure 424 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: we'll run that report, Sure we'll send an investigator up 425 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: to interview, and then it never happens. Because of what 426 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: I talked about the corruption and the fear of the 427 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: narco traffickers in Mexico. How much money do we pump 428 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: into Mexico every year, James, We believe it or not, 429 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: we probably are half of their economy. When I say 430 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: half of their economy, meaning folks that are here in 431 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: our country in the United States to send money home. 432 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,640 Speaker 1: They come here to work on a visa where they 433 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,439 Speaker 1: live here, and they get jobs in whatever industry, and 434 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: they end up sending a huge chunk of their income home, 435 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: as well as the tourism industry. So when I say 436 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: that the United States is probably directly responsible for somewhere 437 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: close to one half their economy, because certainly they have 438 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: they have petrol and fuel, and they have other exports 439 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: and things that are a big part of their economy. 440 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the United States is a huge 441 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: part of it. And back during the eighties when Kiki Camerina, 442 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: that the EA agent who was captured by narco traffickers 443 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,320 Speaker 1: and tortured and killed, the leverage of the United States 444 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,680 Speaker 1: put was we are going to shut down the tourism industry. 445 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: And if the United States shuts that down, meaning restricts 446 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: American citizens from traveling to Mexico that will get the 447 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 1: Mexican government's attention really quickly. Crime stories with anti Drace 448 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,600 Speaker 1: tris close is the aunt of victim, Donna Ray Langford. 449 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: All we could do is immediately start thinking positive and 450 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: praying at the same time that we are all devastated 451 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: and very emotional and did something that you can't explain. 452 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: How there's evil people in this world that keep such 453 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: a thing like that. Some relatives say they believe the 454 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 1: women and children were not the intended targets of the 455 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: cartels and that this was a case of mistaken identity. 456 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: One family member we spoke to says the children who 457 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: survived are in the process of being brought to the 458 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: United States for medical treatment. This morning, the US ambassador 459 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: in Mexico says they are following the situation very closely. 460 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: Following the situation following it is that all they're doing. 461 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friend as CBS, that was Jericha Duncan. 462 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: What is the very latest with the investigation. There has 463 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: been a development, Nancy. In a stunning turn of events, 464 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: Mexican officials have said the man that they captured along 465 00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: the US Mexico border earlier in the week and thought 466 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: he was a suspect in the ambush that killed nine 467 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: Americans is no longer suspected in that crime. Alfonso Durazzo 468 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: is a public security official. He said that preliminary information 469 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: indicates that the suspect they've detained is not linked to 470 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: the attack now. Earlier in the week, criminal investigators in 471 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: Mexico said the suspect who was by the way found 472 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: with multiple assault weapons on him and two hostages in 473 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: his captivity. They said he may have participated in that 474 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,920 Speaker 1: brutal highway ambush that killed three women six children. That 475 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: was including the two infants. Now they're saying this recent 476 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: development shows that he was not involved in that attack 477 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: at all and takes the investigation back to square one. 478 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: Take a list of our friends at ABC fifteen Arizona. 479 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: This is a whole new level of cartel violence from 480 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: Utah to Kansas City. It's got to be changes, and 481 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: right here in the valleys taken a lot of medicine lives. 482 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: This family, with relatives scattered across the US, is still 483 00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: asking why. It's just terrific if someone could do that 484 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 1: to women and children. Another issue that has arisen is 485 00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: attacks on the family and their relatives themselves in the media. 486 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: The banner right now is that Mexican authorities have made 487 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,880 Speaker 1: one arrest. They say they quote may be they believe 488 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: may be connected to the ambush killings of nine Americans 489 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: women and children in northern Mexico. The authorities there in 490 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: Sonora say that one person, a heavily armed man close 491 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: to where the attacks took place, may possibly have participated, 492 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: and the evidences quote being analyzed seriously, they can't figure 493 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: out who did it. Straight out to doctor Debbie Joffe, 494 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: Ella psychologist and adjunct professor, Columbia University, you know a 495 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: lot is being made in the press that these women 496 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: and children were Mormons. Why are seemingly maligning them like 497 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: that's a bad thing? I don't like it? Yeah, well, yeah, well, 498 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: I suppose it's idea that some producers might have of 499 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: attracting more listeners, but it certainly divides rather than give 500 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: us an opportunity to focus more strongly on the situation 501 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 1: at hand there, regardless of the belief system of the 502 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: people involved, and to develop empathy, Nancy, I want to 503 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: say something about catastrophizing in this situation, and believe me 504 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: when I do this, it's not to minimize the tragedy, 505 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 1: but in terms of focusing on that they were Mormons, 506 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: or saying how will the kids ever survive? I think 507 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: that does listen as a disservice. The fact of the 508 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: matter is if you look back through history during times 509 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: of war and other tragedies, and you focus on the 510 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: children and how they developed through into adulthood, the fact 511 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: is some didn't develop well, particularly those who may have 512 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: had genetic predispositions to depression or anxiety or other maladies, 513 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,959 Speaker 1: and also those who didn't have support. However, there's an 514 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: overwhelming number of stories, true life stories of children who 515 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: grew into adults who not only survived and thrived, but 516 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: inspired and helped other people. My late parents survived concentration camps, 517 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of their friends did succumb to what 518 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: was then called nervous breakdowns. But my parents and scores 519 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: of their friends were cheerful people, jolly people like you. 520 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: They cried at the thought of their lust loved ones 521 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: years later, but they still also had meaningful and happy lives. 522 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: So how will the survivors go? Time will tell, But 523 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: as I said earlier, I have optimism that many, if 524 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: not all, of them can do really well throughout their lives. Yeah, 525 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 1: that's interesting, and I'm not disagreeing with you, doctor Derby, 526 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: with me, Doctor Debby jaffe Els, Adjut Professor, Columbia University. 527 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: I am a crime victim. I'm a tangential victim of murder, 528 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: gun violence. And I think when we are on the 529 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: outside looking at violent crime survivors and we see them laughing, Oh, well, 530 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: they're jolly, they're happy, they they're doing, it's not like 531 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:14,960 Speaker 1: that at all with me. I will myself. I choose 532 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: to be happy, and I make that come true as 533 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 1: best as I can. But there is not one day 534 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: that passes that that one act of violent crime does 535 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: not affect me, my husband, my children, my world, the 536 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,600 Speaker 1: way I see the world because of that one moment 537 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,879 Speaker 1: in time, it has forever changed me. Now I'm looking 538 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: at it through a different prison than you, because I 539 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: work with violent crime victims every day, so I see 540 00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: a different aspect of them. To Joseph Scott more and 541 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 1: forensics expert, you're a death investigator, how have you perceived 542 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:12,399 Speaker 1: that the families and loved ones of murder victims? I mean, 543 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 1: they do go what they live, they get jobs, they 544 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: go to school, but they're forever affective. They are Nancy, 545 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: and it's not something that well, I hate to use 546 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:28,359 Speaker 1: terms so clich like bounce back from or uh, you know, 547 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,160 Speaker 1: get closure, because in my estimation, those those things don't 548 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,800 Speaker 1: truly actually exist. They're just you know, uh nebulous fairy 549 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: dust that's out there. There's not I I don't have 550 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of hope for solving this case and to 551 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: get true answers. In Mexico alone, there are thirty thousand 552 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: unclaimed and unidentified bodies throughout that country relative and that's 553 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: their medical legal system. I don't have a lot of 554 00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: hope that we're ever going to find out what truly happened. 555 00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,320 Speaker 1: We wait as just Us unfalls. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, 556 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye, Fred H.