1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Scott Peterson in the headlines again. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: This time, Scott Peterson's not the one doing the attacking 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: on Lacy and Connor, his wife an unborn child. He's 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: the one attacked in a California prison by who else, 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: a fellow murderer. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. 6 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. According to California prison officials, 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson attacked behind bars by another murderer, fellow inmate, 8 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 1: Charles R. Miles. Let me quote directly from prison officials. 9 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,639 Speaker 1: Incarcerated person Charles R. Miles was walking on a recreation 10 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: path at Mule Creek State Prison when he attacked incarcerated 11 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: person Scott Peterson. Now this is coming from Todd Jaska, 12 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: spokesperson for the California Department of Corrections and Rehab. Quote. 13 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 1: Staff immediately responded, using chemical agents and batons to stop 14 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: the attack. Both Miles and Peterson were medically evaluated hmmm, 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: and returned to their respective housing Miles, that's Charles R. 16 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 1: Miles received a serious rule violation for the incident. Oh boo. 17 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: Who He's already a convicted killer now, according to Miles, 18 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: he says, quote it was God's plan for sure. Now, 19 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: who is Miles. He is convicted of a gang related 20 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: murderer in twenty eleven. He got fifty eight years to life. 21 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: As you know, Scott Peterson serving a life sentence for 22 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: the two thousand and two murder of wife Lacy and 23 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: unborn son Connor. Now, he was originally sentenced to death, 24 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 1: but the California Supremes reduced that sentence to life without parole. Wow, okay, 25 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: he was transferred Peterson to Mule Creek State Prison from 26 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: San Quentin back in twenty twenty two. That is a 27 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: huge upgrade. The Innocence Project represents Scott Peterson and is 28 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: trying desperately to get him released. The recent attack on 29 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: Peterson occurred because of a pickle ball paddle. Before you 30 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: shed tears for Scott Peterson, let's have a little reality 31 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: check about why he was initially sentenced to the death 32 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: penalty Lacy and Connor. That's why, first of all, take 33 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: a listen to our friend at Fox News. 34 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: He was convicted and sentenced to die in two thousand 35 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: and five, and now the California Supreme Court has overturned 36 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: the death sentence. Peterson's lawyers had contended all along he 37 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 2: was not able to get a fair trial because of 38 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: all the pre trial publicity with the case, but the 39 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: court rejected that argument. Yet it did say that the 40 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: trial judge made a series of clear and significant errors 41 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: in jury selection that undermined Peterson's right to an impartial 42 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: jury during the penalty phase, and that potential jurors were 43 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 2: improperly dismissed from the jury pool after saying they personally 44 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: disagreed with the death penalty, but that they would be 45 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: willing to follow it and impose it. That murder convictions damns, 46 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 2: but not the death penalty. Keep in mind, there are 47 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: more than seven hundred prisoners on California's death row and 48 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,559 Speaker 2: the last time anyone was put to death was January 49 00:03:34,639 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 2: of two thousand and six. 50 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: You're hearing our Afraid and need a Vogel at Fox News, 51 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: and what she said is exactly correct. Over seven hundred 52 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: people languished on California's death row. The current governor, Gavin Newsom, 53 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: decided against the majority of the public to put a 54 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: moratorium on the death penalty while he is governor. Anyway, 55 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: there will be no death penalties. So the reality is 56 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: that right now there would be no death penalty for 57 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson anyway until Newsom is out of office, even 58 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: though California voters voted to keep the death penalty. But 59 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: what does it all mean? I can tell you this. 60 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: It all started with this. Take a listen to a 61 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: nine to one one call by Lacy's stepfather, Ron Grant. Skip. 62 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, my father in law called, she went playing well 63 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 3: morning thirty. My daughter's been listing sent this morning and 64 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: she eight months pregnant. She m her dog for a 65 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: walk from apart from here. The dog came home with 66 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 3: just the leave shock and. 67 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 4: The dog came back forgot your daughter. 68 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 3: Got Peters, your stepdaughter. 69 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:57,239 Speaker 1: Right hy rock the Evan she fortug away. 70 00:04:59,440 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: She's twenty. 71 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 5: Dick didn't come back. 72 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 6: That we don't know. 73 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: We just got a call from our son in law 74 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 3: that he left the point and I do you to 75 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: play golf? He worked at home about a half hour ago. 76 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: Nowhere around walked it in that party. 77 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Eight months pregnant, straight out to high profile La California 78 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,359 Speaker 1: defense attorney Laura. You're at seeing Laura? Wait? Did I 79 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 1: get that wrong? Wait? Scott Peterson told his father in 80 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:40,599 Speaker 1: law he was playing golf, but then after he was 81 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: spotted at San Francisco Bay where Lacy's body turned up. 82 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: He then said he was fishing. Did I hear that? 83 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 7: Right? 84 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: On the night? 85 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: On one call he first told his father in law 86 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 1: that he was playing golf when Lacy went missing. 87 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 8: The call doesn't tell us what Scott Peterson told his father. 88 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 8: That's the father in law is telling the dispatcher, and. 89 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: The dispatcher of what. 90 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 8: Whatever it is that he's telling him. It doesn't necessarily 91 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 8: mean that that's what Scott told. And Scott early on 92 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 8: from the beginning, when talking to the law enforcement, told 93 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 8: him exactly where it had been. That had never been 94 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 8: a secret. He was very truthful about it as far 95 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 8: as where he had been. 96 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:24,839 Speaker 1: You know that. That's really interesting because at the beginning 97 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: he told people that he had been playing golf, just 98 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: like you told. 99 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 8: That he was going to the day before he was planning. 100 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 8: The evidence was showing that the day before he talked 101 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 8: about uh actually playing golf, but he changed his plans 102 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 8: based on the weather. My recollection of evidence of that. 103 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 8: But the next day he changed his mind and decided 104 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 8: to go to the Berkeley Marina. 105 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: You know what you're saying and with me is high 106 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: profile defense lawyer Laura your Retsian. So there was so 107 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: bad he couldn't play golf, so he went out on 108 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: the San Francisco Bay to go fishing with me, an 109 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it 110 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: back together again. Lawyer Retzi, and who you've already heard from, 111 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: LA lawyer, doctor Debbie Joffey Ellis, psychologist as a professor 112 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: Columbia University. A doctor Debbie Jeffyellis dot com. Stephen A. Lampley, detective, 113 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: author of twelve and Murdered on Amazon at Stephen Lampley 114 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: dot com. Jennifer Schen forensic pathologist, former San Diego Police 115 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: Department Crime Lab director, but now to crime online dot com. 116 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Alexis Terreschuk joining me from California. Alexis Terreschuk, 117 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: you and I went through the entire trial together. We 118 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 1: never missed a day of court, Alexis Terrestchuk. As a 119 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: matter of fact, the evidence did prove at trial that 120 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: what the father in law, Lacey's father father was saying 121 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: is what Scott Peterson told him. That morning. Peterson did 122 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: not call to report his wife missing. He called Lacey's 123 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: parents instead and said he'd been playing golf, Alexis. 124 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 9: You're exactly right. This is Scott's first story was presented 125 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 9: in court, and it was that he was playing golf. 126 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 9: He called the family, lacey'som and dad and said, I 127 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 9: haven't seen Lacy. I've been out all day. I was golf, 128 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 9: saying I can't get much with her. Have y'all seen her? 129 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:36,439 Speaker 9: And they immediately panicked they called the police. The husband, 130 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 9: the father of a baby who was about be born 131 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 9: any second, did not call the police. 132 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: And taking the death penalty off the table for Scott 133 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,600 Speaker 1: Peterson on a technicality, the California Supreme Court never says 134 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: that he did not kill his wife. As a matter 135 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: of fact, they make it very clear they do think 136 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 1: he killed his wife. They go on to say in 137 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: the ruling quote, they point to considerable circumstantial evidence incriminating 138 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,959 Speaker 1: Peterson in the Christmas Eve disappearance and death of his pregnant, 139 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 1: twenty seven year old wife, Lacey. Take a listen to 140 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: our friends a KABC seven LA. 141 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 10: Convicted killer Scott Peterson has won his death row appeal. 142 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 10: The California Supreme Court this morning has overturned his death sentence, 143 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 10: but not the conviction on first degree murder. Sixteen years ago, 144 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 10: Peterson was found guilty of murdering his pregnant wife, Lacy 145 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 10: in modesto. He challenged both the murder conviction and the 146 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 10: death sentence, claiming widespread media attention and errors in jury 147 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 10: selection deprived him of a. 148 00:09:46,720 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 6: Fair trialph Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the inmate who 149 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 6: attacked convicted killer Scott Peterson behind bars last week, said 150 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 6: it was all just a misunderstanding. 151 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: He later said it was God's plan for sure. That 152 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a misunderstanding to me. That sounds more 153 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:20,760 Speaker 1: like a divine directive in the mind of inmate Miles. 154 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: This is what we understand happened. Charles Miles thirty nine 155 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: stated that Peterson was playing pickleball when he Miles mistakenly 156 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: believed Peterson was approaching him with a weapon. The weapon 157 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: a pickleball paddle. According to Peterson, he was retrieving a 158 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:46,719 Speaker 1: pickleball ball when Miles, nearby on a recreation path, reportedly 159 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: attacked him and pummeled Peterson in the face. Boo who 160 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: there has actually been an outpouring of sympathy for Scott Peterson. 161 00:10:56,040 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: Can I remind everybody in two words, Lacey her take 162 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at ABC's twenty twenty. 163 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 11: The last time I saw Lacey, she and I were 164 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 11: sitting inside by side and Scott was sitting on the 165 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 11: floor and we were watching TV. And she said the 166 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 11: baby was kicking, so I put my hand on her 167 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 11: stomach because I'd never felt him kick. She leaned over 168 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 11: to me and she said, Mom. She says Scott doesn't 169 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 11: like to do this. She said, I asked him to 170 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 11: feel my stomach when the baby kicks, and he never 171 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 11: wants to touch my stomach. That really really bothered me, 172 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 11: and that was the last time I saw her. 173 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,720 Speaker 7: It seems as if Lacey had planned all along to 174 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 7: have children and that was understood going into it. But 175 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 7: if you analyze their marriage, seems that when she got pregnant. 176 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:53,080 Speaker 1: With Connor, things started going sideways. Going sideways is one 177 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: way of putting it back to you. Alexis Teresha Crime 178 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter. They made it very clear 179 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: that there's a mountain of evidence to convict Peterson for 180 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: the murders of Lacy and Connor. The baby. Their body 181 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: is washed ashore twenty four hours apart, and it's quite 182 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: the coincidence, isn't it, Alexis Tereschuk, that Scott Peterson is 183 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: fishing and the exact same spot in the body of 184 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: water where his wife's body and his baby's body are 185 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: found at the time of their disappearance. 186 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 9: And this was a place where he lied about going. 187 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 9: First he said he was golfing. Then when there was 188 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 9: evidence that he was there, then he fessed up that 189 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 9: he was there. This is shocking, but this is what 190 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 9: the court did say. They are saying, none of your nonsense, Scott, 191 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 9: none of his pre trial. It's the trials blaming Nancy Grays, 192 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 9: blaming all the recorders that were there that had nothing 193 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 9: to do with the fact that you are guilty. Killed 194 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 9: your wife, killed your baby, and you lied about it. 195 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 9: And when you were caught, you were at. 196 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 8: The bottom of the state. 197 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 9: You had bleached blonde hair, ten thousand dollars in cash, 198 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 9: He had your brother's idea on you. You were not 199 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 9: doing anything. You weren't out trying to help find your 200 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 9: wife or your missing baby, like the parents and the 201 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 9: thousands that we know that are innocent. You know, I 202 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 9: always just think of those people, especially I always think 203 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 9: of Polyklaus's dad, who was just said do anything. I 204 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 9: will do anything to let you know that I had 205 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 9: nothing to do with this, not Scott Peterson. He was 206 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 9: doing nothing to make people think he was innocent, and 207 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 9: the court upheld that he is not innocent of murder. 208 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 9: He is guilty of murder. 209 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: To Steven Lampley, detective, author of twelve and Murdered on Amazon, 210 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to really compelling 211 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: evidence in my mind. This is from Fox News special 212 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: to Scott Peterson case. Take a listen. 213 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 12: He takes his new boat that he had purchased, and 214 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 12: he comes here to launch the boat. 215 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: Her husband reported or missing after he returned from a 216 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: fishing trip, a trip he took by himself or Her 217 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: husband says he went fishing at marina the day she disappeared, 218 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: so investigators are searching that marina for the mystery here. 219 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 2: In Modesto, fueled in large part by Scott Peterson's alibi, 220 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: which remains flimsy at best. 221 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 13: He comes home later in the day, realizes that she's 222 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 13: not there, figures she's somewhere else running errands, doing something 223 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 13: for Christmas Eve, and takes the time to put his 224 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 13: clothes in the wash, take a shower, have a snack, 225 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 13: and then realizes maybe I should call somebody. 226 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 12: So here's what's unusual. Scott decides to call Lacey's mother. 227 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 12: Doesn't say have you spoken to Lacey today? Do you 228 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 12: know where she is? He says, Lacey is missing. 229 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,840 Speaker 1: I want to go to Stephen Lampley and doctor Debbie Joffy, 230 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: Ella psychologist and professor Columbia University. You know, when I 231 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,960 Speaker 1: have not been able to find let's just say John David. 232 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: I call my husband and say, do you have John David. 233 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 1: I don't say John day David is missing. That's a 234 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: very critical, subtle but critical point, doctor Debbie. 235 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: Maybe it isn't, Maybe it isn't nancid, it's I really 236 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: could only give a more substantial opinion if I heard 237 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 4: him use or not use that phrase often. You know, 238 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: sometimes we bandy around words and phrases and they may 239 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 4: indicate something as you're implying or not interesting. 240 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,239 Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley, what do you make of Peterson placing himself 241 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: where the body is found and placing himself there at 242 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: the time she goes missing? 243 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 5: Well, as I'm guessing perhaps that he's thinking, and again 244 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: I don't know what Scott was thinking, perhaps he knows 245 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 5: that he was not golfing. Maybe he's making an excuse 246 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 5: for where he really really was at the time, an 247 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 5: alibi of sorts to cover the fact that he was 248 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 5: fishing instead of dumping a body. Perhaps that would be 249 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 5: my idea, that he thinks he was going to be 250 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 5: caught by not golfing, so he fatzes up to the 251 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,400 Speaker 5: fact that he was at the ocean for whatever reason, 252 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 5: and reality he was really there. 253 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 1: Take a little star. 254 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 14: Friends at Fox News, I realized they were zeroing in 255 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 14: on Scott. We just knew his actions were suspicious and 256 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 14: something was going on, and clearly his fishing story was 257 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 14: not adding up. 258 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 13: One of the things you do as a reporter is 259 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 13: you go up and down. You talk to everybody that 260 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 13: you possibly can. I went over to the neighbor's house 261 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 13: that lives directly across the street. The neighbor remembered Scott 262 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 13: coming over to her house looking for Lacey, and she said, well, 263 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 13: where were you? It's Christmas Eve and he said, I 264 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 13: was playing golf. So the fact that that story differed 265 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 13: from what we then heard was his alibi and where 266 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 13: he says he was was very upsetting. 267 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: Back out to high profile criminal defense attorney, no stranger 268 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: to a courtroom. You're at c and that makes two people. 269 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: He told he was playing golf that morning. What do 270 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: you make of it? 271 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 8: What I make of it is what a detail law 272 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 8: enforcement when he was being questioned. Those are the people 273 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 8: he needs to tell the truth through the people who 274 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 8: were investigating, and he was extremely honest with them. He 275 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 8: told him exactly where he's been, no hesitation, and he 276 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 8: also was very helpful. He was searching for his wife, 277 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 8: he was making calls. This idea that he took a 278 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 8: Lacy's body and dumped it at the bay in San 279 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 8: Francisco Bay is ridiculous. There's zero, zero forensic evidence showing 280 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 8: that he did it. There was nothing, zero forensic evidence 281 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,199 Speaker 8: in his truck, zero forensic evidence. Really leading is showing 282 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 8: that there was a body or her body in that boat, 283 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 8: or that he was even able to dump that body 284 00:17:56,240 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 8: from that small boat, an exposed boat covered anyone could 285 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 8: have seen it. So this idea that he did that. 286 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: You mean anyone out in the middle of San Francisco 287 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: Bay during wind and storm and rain, I e. Nobody 288 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: would have seen it. Nobody was out where he was. 289 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 8: We're assuming it was storm and rain. There was no 290 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 8: evidence that it was storm and rain. It wasn't the 291 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 8: greatest of the weather. 292 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 1: I thought, that's why I didn't go golfing because of 293 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 1: the bad weather. 294 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 8: Well we're talking about bad weather where he was living 295 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 8: in Modesto. This is not Modesto. 296 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: You know. That's why you are such a great law 297 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: lawyer at Laura at urets him because my question to 298 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: you was, why did he tell some people he was 299 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: playing golf then change his story to he was fishing? 300 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 1: And you said what mattered was what he told cops. 301 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is, and my question is why 302 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 1: did he change his story, Not that he told cops 303 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: first he was golfing. He didn't. By then you realized 304 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: people had spotted him at the bay. He had to 305 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 1: tell them. But he told other people that day, not 306 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: the day before I was planning to go golfing, but 307 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: that day that he had been golfing. You also mentioned 308 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: that he was so forthcoming and so helpful. In fact, 309 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 1: he told the cops what a great marriage he had. 310 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 1: But seems like he left something out. Take to listen 311 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: to our friends at court, TV. 312 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,400 Speaker 15: Amber tells the detectives she's been seeing Scott Peterson only 313 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 15: a few weeks, but they're already talking marriage. On December ninth, 314 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,200 Speaker 15: she recalls he broke down sobbing that he had quote 315 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 15: lost his wife. That's the same day Scott secretly bought 316 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 15: his boat. Detective Brokiny knows he's onto something. 317 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 6: I mean, he told Amber that he had lost his 318 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,640 Speaker 6: wife when she wasn't lost, and so that I mean 319 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 6: to me, that was a key. 320 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 15: Detectives ask Ambert to secretly record all future conversations with Scott. 321 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 16: She agrees. 322 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 15: They're also determined that no one will find out about her. 323 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 15: That afternoon, the detectives take Amber to buy the reporting equipment, 324 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 15: and then her phone rings. 325 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: It's Scott inmate Charles R. Miles makes no apologies for 326 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: attacking Scott Peterson behind bars. In a phone interview, Miles 327 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: said he didn't recognize Peterson and mistakenly thought Peterson was 328 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 1: charging him with a weapon. It was actually a pickleball 329 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: paddle and Peterson was running after a runaway pickleball, according 330 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: to Peterson. Miles offering no apologies, could it possibly be 331 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: he did not know it was Scott Peterson? If he 332 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: didn't know it was Scott Peterson, Why did he say 333 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: it was God's plan for sure? Now, we were just 334 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,920 Speaker 1: speaking to high profile lawyer Laura euretsy And who stated 335 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: that Peterson was completely honest, forthcoming and helpful about finding 336 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: his wife. The reality is he didn't call nine one mon. 337 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: He waited for hours before he even called Lacey's parents 338 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: to tell them he couldn't find her, that she was missing. 339 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: He immediately asked if his family would have grief counseling. 340 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: But there's this little thing he left out when he 341 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,880 Speaker 1: was being so forthcoming with the cops. 342 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 16: Listen, well, yes, Scott continues to call Amber, and detectives 343 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 16: are intent. 344 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 15: On getting him to repeat something he told her just 345 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 15: before Lacey disappeared, those four short but incriminating words, I 346 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 15: lost my wife. 347 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 12: You came and told me this elaborate night about her 348 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 12: missing and this tragedy and that and that that this 349 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 12: will be the first holidays without her. 350 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 6: Amber. 351 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 8: God, I don't want to play with you, but you 352 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 8: know that I. 353 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 17: Or miss Oh. 354 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 12: Yes, you said you've lost. 355 00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 11: Your wife, obviously. 356 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 13: Without me saying much, but we were. 357 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 16: Yes you did, I did, bingo. This is what investigators 358 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 16: needed for us. 359 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 10: That was a huge statement on his part, because how 360 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 10: do you how do you predict that? 361 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 6: I mean, how do. 362 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 9: You you know you're going to come up with a lie 363 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 9: about that to try and woo some girl into a 364 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 9: romance that you're not supposed to be part of, and 365 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 9: then all of a sudden it comes true. 366 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: So Laura uretsim with me, high profile criminal defense attorney 367 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: out of la Laura, do you believe in clairvoyance? So 368 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson said, just before Lacey goes missing and ends 369 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: up murdered, that he had just lost his wife and 370 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,479 Speaker 1: this would be the first Christmas without her, and it 371 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: all turned out to be true. You think he's psychic. 372 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 8: My question is, if Scott Peterson was really planning on 373 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 8: murdering his wife, is that what he would be telling 374 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 8: someone who's only he's only been dating for a couple 375 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 8: of weeks, that's all. 376 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: It was a few weeks and talking about getting married. 377 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, how many men have said that to him just 378 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 8: to get into bed with them. I mean, it's not 379 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 8: a surprise yet was he being was he lying to 380 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 8: or was he cheating on his wife? But the idea 381 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 8: that he would tell someone who just he'd been with 382 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 8: just a couple of weeks that you know, and whatever 383 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 8: he said is really and I glimpsed into what he 384 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 8: was thinking, and that he was planning to kill his 385 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 8: wife is ridiculous. Yes, of course the prosecution made a 386 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 8: huge deal out of. 387 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: That, because he says his wife is dead and that 388 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: this is the first Christmas he'll have without her, and 389 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: then a couple of days later she is dead and 390 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: it's the first Christmas without her. She goes missing Christmas Eve. 391 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: I don't care why. 392 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 8: With him that, you know what, It almost doesn't matter. 393 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,359 Speaker 8: Just just because he said that to her, it doesn't 394 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 8: mean that he was planning to kill his wife. It 395 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 8: really shows you that he'll do anything, uh to be with. 396 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know you said it, you said, 397 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: Lawyer your red said, you said it. He'll do anything, 398 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: including killing. Why you said he'll Apparently did jury disagree. 399 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 8: This wasn't his first affair. 400 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: They know. 401 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,399 Speaker 8: It just doesn't mean just because someone's had an affair, 402 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 8: it doesn't yet it looks awful, It doesn't look great. 403 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: It does look let's talk about the other evidence. Lawyer 404 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: of your Red sand is right in the sense that 405 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:45,879 Speaker 1: one nail does not a coffin seal. What else is 406 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: the evidence. 407 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 9: Well, the evidence that they had was that they had 408 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 9: a dog. And I know that this is controversial, but 409 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 9: there was a dog and they found the scent of 410 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 9: Lazy at her home. Obviously, but this stopped. She didn't. 411 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,679 Speaker 9: The dog determined that she'd gott into a vehicle, not 412 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 9: that she walked away. So it wasn't that she was 413 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 9: kidnapped in the park or something happened somewhere else. 414 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: You know what I want to talk about. That hold 415 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 1: your thought, Alexis because I want to go through what 416 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,400 Speaker 1: you're saying, and then we'll have Laura Uretzy and way 417 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: in because I'm sure she's going to discredit the dog. Guys, 418 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,359 Speaker 1: don't be angry with her. She's a defense lawyer. This 419 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: is what she does for a living, and she is 420 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,920 Speaker 1: a master at it. To Jennifer S. Sheen, forensic pathologist 421 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: the former San Diego Police Department Crime Lab director, Jennifer Schen, 422 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: the dog followed Lacey's sent to where the car was parked, 423 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: and then it seemingly cut off. The dog followed a 424 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: scent all the way to the San Francisco Bay from 425 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: the home all the way to the bay. What do 426 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 1: you make of a h. 427 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 17: Well, I think about the dogs, they are incredibly they 428 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 17: are incredibly sensitive, and they can they can really give 429 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 17: investigators a lot of information. So I think it's reasonable 430 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 17: that if she was taken away in a car, that 431 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,679 Speaker 17: the dog would be able to smell her from the 432 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 17: house to the car, and then once they were at 433 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 17: the bay, that you could then tick that scent up again. 434 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 17: And I obviously they found the bodies where the dogs 435 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 17: said they were, so there certainly was a lot of 436 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 17: delidity to that dog used for this sort of thing 437 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 17: all the time and. 438 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 8: Is very very successful. 439 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,360 Speaker 5: But they are dogs, and you know there. 440 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 17: Are certainly it isn't one hundred percent, obviously, and there's 441 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 17: some there's some there's some talk about the fact that 442 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 17: they aren't as scientifically valid as you might want them 443 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 17: to be. But in this case, I think the dog 444 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 17: did a very good job. 445 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: To Steven Lampley, former detective, author of twelve and Murdered 446 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: at Stephen Lampley dot com, a search dog handler testified 447 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: that her caneine picked up Lacey peterson scent at a 448 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: pylon at the Berkeley Marina where Scott Peterson launched what 449 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: he says was a solo fishing trip the day his 450 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: wife vanished. The dog handler was Eloise Anderson. She was 451 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: with the Contra Costa County Search and Rescue Team. Her 452 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: dog was a lab named Tremble, and Tremble hit on 453 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: the scent four days after Peterson reported his pregnant wife 454 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: missing to her parents, not the police. What do you 455 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: make of dog evidence, Stephen Lampley? I've used it many 456 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 1: many times in court, and it's sanctioned by the court, 457 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,760 Speaker 1: just like polygraphs in civil cases, just like fingerprints, just 458 00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: like DNA. This is a form of evidence that is 459 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: court sanctioned. What do you make of it? In fact, 460 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: I've told people the best witness I've ever put on 461 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: the stand was a dog. Go ahead, Steve, That's right, Nancy. 462 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 5: Dogs have no reason to lie. So the dogs are 463 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 5: really accurate. Now, some dogs are more accurate than others. 464 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 5: We know that the dog, dog tracking and dog evidence 465 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 5: is very reliable for the most part. It's very accurate 466 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 5: for the most part. Again, like I said, we have 467 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 5: some animals that are better than others. But if this 468 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 5: dog in this case picks up her scent at home, 469 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 5: then we skip to the to the marino or on 470 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,880 Speaker 5: the on the ocean and he picks her scent up 471 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 5: there or doesn't. It's it's a very reliable evidence, Nancy, 472 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 5: very it's very reliable. 473 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, buck are your seat build Here she comes. Laura, 474 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: you're atsian. What's wrong with the dog? 475 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 8: Well, this is the same dog that failed twice out 476 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 8: of three times in vehicle trails, right, So this is 477 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 8: not a very accurate dog, and this is not one 478 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 8: that's very reliable, and argue it really is far as 479 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 8: i'sh to argue that this is reliable evident. 480 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: Okay, So let me understand something, Laura. You agree that 481 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: the death penalty, that the court was right by reversing 482 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: the death penalty. Of course I disagree, but you disagree 483 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: with the same court that agreed with the prosecution's version, including, 484 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: as they said, dog scent and ocean current evidence. So 485 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: you agree with the court, but not when it suits you. 486 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 8: I agree with the court as far as overturning the 487 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 8: death penalty, but clearly you are right. I disagree with 488 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 8: the court on there. But this is the appellate court. 489 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 8: The standard is very different than what it is for 490 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 8: a jury and a jury trial, and it would take 491 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,600 Speaker 8: more than if there's enough circustancial evidence. The court's going 492 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 8: to leave. It's not going to touch the conviction. What 493 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 8: hopefully may happen in the future is if there's some 494 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 8: evidence that was not known at the time, new evidence 495 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 8: that's comes forth and that's brought in, the court can 496 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 8: look at this again and decide based on that evidence 497 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 8: that we added all of that into the mix, what 498 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 8: the jury's decision. 499 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: Would you know what you lost me a long time ago? 500 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: And I've got a j d. And a master's from 501 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: n y u H, So I'm going to try to 502 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 1: figure out what that very long sentence I'm talking about 503 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: it rich. 504 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 8: What I'm talking is about the future. 505 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Yes 506 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: it was a pickleball beat down. But before you shed 507 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: a tear for Scott Paterson at some headlines claiming he 508 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: is quote recovering from injuries. Both inmates were evaluated and 509 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: sent back to their cells with no serious injuries, according 510 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: to the California Department of Prisons and Rehabilitation. According to 511 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 1: the California Department of Prisons, I guarantee you if the 512 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 1: injuries sustained have been serious, we would be seeing photos 513 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: and there would be a mass outpouring of sympathy for 514 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: Scott Peterson, but what about for Lacy and Connor? When 515 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: Connor's body was found, as I recall, his body was 516 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 1: found first, But my point is their bodies were drastically different. 517 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: Connor's body, according to eyewitnesses, looked like a little naked 518 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: baby doll stain there on the beach. Lacey's body, however, 519 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: was horribly decomposed, but even in death, she protected her baby. 520 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: Some of the strongest muscle and tissue in the human 521 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: body is the uterus that surrounds the baby, and for 522 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: all the months that Lacey drifted in the tides, her 523 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: body slowly decomposing, that strong muscle tissue protected Connor until 524 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: in the end he floated out of her uterus as 525 00:32:51,440 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 1: it decomposed. Therefore, his little body was pristined. Her body 526 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: was greatly decomposed, and the state says she was still 527 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 1: wearing the same clothes she was wearing the night before 528 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 1: she disappeared. Part of the defense at trial was that 529 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: someone else murdered Lacey for what and then framed went 530 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: to the trouble to frame Scott Peterson. That was after 531 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: many many other ploys were tested out on the public 532 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 1: via the media, and they didn't work. For instance, drug dealers, 533 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 1: a Hawaiian gang, a burglar across the street, thugs in 534 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: the park. I mean, it went on a mother, a 535 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: woman who wanted to be a mother somewhere, cut the 536 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: baby out and then kept Lacy alive for a while 537 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 1: and killed her. There were so and then got rid 538 00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: of the baby too. There were so many zany things, 539 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: But finally it was decided that defense would go with 540 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,440 Speaker 1: someone else killed her and then decided to frame Peterson. 541 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel, Laura Uretzian, high profile 542 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney LA doctor, Debbie Joffy, Ella psychologist, Stephen Lampley, 543 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: detective Jennifer Shen, forensic pathologists, and Alexis Tereschuk. Crime online 544 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Jennifer Schen, could you explain the 545 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: forensic evidence we know of in the case and how 546 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: the bodies had decayed so differently at the time of 547 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: their discovery and it. 548 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 17: Really wasn't less forensic evidence in this case. I think 549 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 17: one that was somewhat important was that one of Lacey's 550 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 17: apparently one of Lacey's Harry's, found on some choirs in 551 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 17: the boat, and this was a boat she didn't know 552 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 17: about and hadn't visited, so that was certainly of interest. 553 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 17: They did mitochondrial DNA on that, which is not as 554 00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 17: as good as a nuclear DNA, but still there's still 555 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 17: a good piece of evidence the body. 556 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: Are you saying that it was Lacey's hair in the 557 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: pliers based on mitochondrial DNA? 558 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 17: That is what the mitochondrial DNA showed. 559 00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: And isn't it true that mitochondrial DNA is used every 560 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: single day? It is based on the lineage of the mother. 561 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 17: Correct, That is correct? Go ahead, place quite as accurate. 562 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 17: It's not quite as accurate as identifying the. 563 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: Nuclear DNA right where you have the father and the mother, 564 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: the decomposition of the bodies. Isn't it true, Jennifer, that 565 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: you yourself have advanced cases that had mitochondrial DNA. 566 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 17: Yes, who definitely worked with mitochondrial DNA, both on humans 567 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 17: and on animals, so you. 568 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: Accept it as established science? Is that correct? 569 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:47,359 Speaker 17: Oh? 570 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:48,520 Speaker 5: Absolutely? Oh? 571 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: Okay, because by the way you were talking, I thought 572 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: there was something wrong with mitochondrial DNA, but actually there's not. 573 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: The reason for this reversal, is that not because of media? 574 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 1: Not because of blaming me. I forgot about that one. 575 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me, but it's always your fault 576 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 1: forget good times. But because the court said that while 577 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,120 Speaker 1: the jury was okay as far as guilt innocence, the 578 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: jury was fine for that, but the jury was not 579 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: okay for the penalty phase. Because about thirteen out of 580 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: how many thirteen fourteen hundred jurors that were first gleaned 581 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: were not questioned separately when they said, I don't believe 582 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: in the death penalty, but I would follow the law. 583 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: Is that what happened? They were not what died. Jury questioned. 584 00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: Juror questioned separately, is that right? Explain to me why 585 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,719 Speaker 1: they're doing this. 586 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 9: So the drums were actually let go by the judge 587 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 9: when they get that statement that they they personally didn't 588 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 9: believe in the death penalty, but they could consider it 589 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,359 Speaker 9: for this case. He automatically let them go. And he didn't. 590 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,760 Speaker 9: This wasn't counted against the prosecution or the defense's number 591 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 9: of strikes that they can have. You can't can't have 592 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,719 Speaker 9: unlimited numbers. So then you say, oh, it's we're out 593 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 9: of jurors, just can't have a case. You only get 594 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 9: a certain amount. So the judge let these thirteen go. 595 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,520 Speaker 9: And what the Appeals Court has said is that that 596 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 9: goes against everything that should be the process during jury selection. 597 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 9: That this is a Supreme Court. This is obviously that 598 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 9: some of the Supreme Court has been very clear about 599 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 9: for a very long time. But the judge made an 600 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 9: error in allowing these jurors to be dismissed, not allowing 601 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 9: he dismissed them, got it, and that they should not have. 602 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 1: Been these So the Appellate Court cancel Peterson's death sentence 603 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: because Judge Deluky, according to them and properly excused thirteen 604 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,240 Speaker 1: prospective jurors in a pool of fifteen hundred, one thousand, 605 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,760 Speaker 1: five hundred people who had filled out written jui our questionnaires. 606 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: The thirteen professed that they were opposed to the DP, 607 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: but the court said the judge should have verbally questioned 608 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: them instead of dismissing them. Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,