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Speaker 1: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up Straight Fire? It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire for Thursday, October tenth. Oh man, I hope all

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Speaker 2: my people in Florida are waking up today with roofs

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Speaker 2: a tough time for Florida, the Lazies last couple weeks

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Speaker 2: doing okay. We actually have a pretty great podcast today.

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Speaker 2: A guest who I've done for ten, maybe fifteen years,

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Speaker 2: Vic Chokshee. I hired him at the Big Lead, and

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Speaker 2: lot of questions from people, how do I crack in

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Speaker 2: Today's interview should help you greatly. Vic is in charge

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Speaker 2: of firing gambling at the Athletic they're starting a b

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Speaker 2: they're building out their gambling section, and he's running the show.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy to hit up, so listen to it.

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Speaker 2: You could hit him up on social media. He drops

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Speaker 2: his email address. It's a good opportunity, obviously, listen. It's

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Speaker 2: a tough space to crack in, just like when I

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Speaker 2: was coming up, Oh, I want to cover the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Can I cover the Jets? No, dude, you just got here.

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Speaker 2: You got to go cover high school sports. Ah sucks.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. Kind of got to

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Speaker 2: work your way up. You kids just jump in. As

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Speaker 2: they said in Fast and the Furious, a line that

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Speaker 2: in the ring with Ali. That was when Paul Walker

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Speaker 2: tried to race Vin Diesel and they're like, dude, you

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Speaker 2: can't just come up and challenge the champ. Who were you?

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Speaker 2: What have you done? I don't know. I think it's

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Speaker 2: an interesting, illuminating conversation about gambling and sports media. I

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Speaker 2: hope you guys like it. At the end, we will

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Speaker 2: dip into best bets for Niner Seahawks. It's a big one.

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Speaker 2: I also should add tonight is the big game. We

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Speaker 2: timofey Mosgov and this kid named Cale who went to

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Speaker 2: thirty eight on our heads in the playoffs and eliminated us.

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Speaker 2: And let's just say we are seeking revenge this season.

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Speaker 2: We got a good team, we got a guy making

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Speaker 2: nervous so that I don't shoot well. I'm among the

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Speaker 2: of myself. Yes, also proud of my Yankees folks. How

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Speaker 2: three to two. Feeling much better. I was nervous for

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Speaker 2: And now the really good news is they have a

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Speaker 2: Bets got them started early. I know we don't talk

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Speaker 2: a lot of baseball in the Pod, but this postseason baseball,

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Speaker 2: Great win for the Dodgers. The Tiger's also won. I

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Speaker 2: Lindor with the Grand Slam, folks, I put the video

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Speaker 2: It gonna be a tough out, man. His team's got heart,

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Speaker 2: get to our guest, Vic Chokshi gambling big boss at

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio

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Speaker 2: I know what sports fans.

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Speaker 3: Know a guy who knows the guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire. Somebody you probably know.

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Speaker 2: Chicago's finest, the biggest, Caleb Williams none, the biggest, Derek

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well, man. Thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Vic was at Fox doing gambling stuff for

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Speaker 3: No, that was right. We had some people out, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm feeling good man. I think for me, the

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Speaker 2: A brutal matchup for Jacksonville. I don't know Caleb could

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Speaker 2: It's funny, you're the I'm the opposit it with the Jets.

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Speaker 3: kind of growing as a whole. And so that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what we tried to do at Fox Sports as well,

432
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 3: and you know, we will try to continue to do

433
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,199
Speaker 3: at the Athletic. But it is a great question that

434
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,600
Speaker 3: you ask, Like there's so many picks, shows and articles now,

435
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,040
Speaker 3: right and again, just going back to what we talked

436
00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 3: about a little earlier, it's like, can you be a

437
00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 3: little different, you know, whether that's with models or hot takes,

438
00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 3: or smart or funny, you're witty or pop culture. You know,

439
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 3: just some different ways to kind of do picks is

440
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,399
Speaker 3: probably the other angle of this, and like you do

441
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,800
Speaker 3: it really well. I think Nick Costos, you know, he's

442
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 3: got his own podcasts, Like he's got a great personality.

443
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 3: Those are Hey, if we're all seventy percent better, it's

444
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:05,679
Speaker 3: like we wouldn't have shows, we wouldn't have jobs, like

445
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,119
Speaker 3: you had no chilling on an island and enjoying life

446
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: and not indeed we do, right, So you know, those

447
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 3: are just some ways that I think you can differentiate.

448
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 2: I'm still digging into the games for this week, But

449
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 2: for instance, don any games jump out that you've already

450
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:23,399
Speaker 2: bet this week. I know, Washington Baltimore I think has

451
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 2: the highest total of the season, fifty one and a half.

452
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: Baltimore was seven, it's down to six and a half.

453
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 2: I think it dipped a six this week. And then

454
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 2: bump back up Jayden Daniel is a big test. It's

455
00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 2: kind of a regional game. I think that's probably the

456
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 2: game of the one pm slate, and then of course

457
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,879
Speaker 2: Detroit Dallas at four. But anything on that game that

458
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: jump out at.

459
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: You, Yeah, you brought up the game that I like.

460
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: I actually like the Cowboys. I know it's kind of crazy,

461
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: whoa Everyone's going to be on Detroit.

462
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: I'm on Detroit, damn it.

463
00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: But I just think that this is going to be

464
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 3: a high scoring game. Whoever gets the ball last kind

465
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: of field goal wins game. And the Cowboys are getting

466
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 3: three now. And so if you started before the season,

467
00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 3: it was Dallas minus one was this line, and so

468
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 3: of course they haven't you know, played well. Droit's hot,

469
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 3: putting up a lot of points, and I just think

470
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 3: Dallas can hang with them on offense at least and

471
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 3: They're gonna get a little bit healthier, is some of

472
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: the stuff that I'm hearing. So, you know, I think

473
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: getting three at home kind of in that three twenty

474
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,760
Speaker 3: five slot where there's gonna be a lot of eyeballs

475
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 3: on that game. I like Dallas and that as a

476
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 3: home dog there.

477
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Speaker 2: Wow, I gotta be honest, that is disappointing. I'm on Detroit.

478
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 2: I don't love this Dallas team a bit. I mean

479
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: that that game against Pittsburgh. I mean, I know they did.

480
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 2: They outplayed Pittsburgh and moved up and down the field,

481
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: but they tried so hard to lose that game. And

482
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Speaker 2: vic I'd look at them outdoors and they seem like

483
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: they're better on slower turf. Right indoors against the Saints,

484
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: get boat raced indoors against Baltimore. Ravens run out to

485
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: a twenty eight to six league. This is a really

486
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: explosive Lion team. On the back end of that defense

487
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: Jamis and Williams, he could have a Shaheed type game.

488
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 2: I just Dallas seems slow to me.

489
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 3: It's it's the highest total of the week too.

490
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,360
Speaker 2: I just noticed that it's at fifty two.

491
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 3: The other way, I mean the over is fun too

492
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 3: if you're just trying to put like ten bucks on

493
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: a game and rub.

494
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,400
Speaker 2: Well, that happened last year, but it was way under.

495
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: Remember that game that crazy with Campbell going for two

496
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: and that stayed under anything else? On the week six

497
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 2: card jump out, I'm counting weight. Hold on, Vick, I'm

498
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: counting home dogs. It looks like there's as you're eight. Well,

499
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: if you count include the Jets, it looks like there's nine.

500
00:24:39,600 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: I mean, Seattle tonight is a home dog. You have?

501
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 2: New England is a seven point home dog. New Orleans

502
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: looking like a backup quarterback home dog. The Broncos are

503
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 2: a home underdog. The Raiders are a home underdog. Carolina

504
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 2: is a home underdog. Dallas New York Giants. I mean,

505
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. Home dogs are you usually a pick

506
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: that people like? I don't know.

507
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: This is one of those weeks where you have to

508
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 3: like hold your nose if you are into home dogs,

509
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 3: Like who really wants to take the Giants this week? Bengals,

510
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: you know, coming off of that tough loss that they

511
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: suffered last week, and there's a lot of games like that.

512
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 3: I actually like the Cardinals.

513
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 2: Hmm.

514
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 3: Again in Green Bay in Green Bay. Packers to me

515
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 3: like they're a good team.

516
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I should preface this. You are a Bears fan,

517
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: but I.

518
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,880
Speaker 3: The Packers credit like Jordan Love is good. I have

519
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 3: no beef with the Packers right now, other than of

520
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,679
Speaker 3: course just hating them from being a Bears fan. But

521
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 3: to me, they even last week that first amazing pass

522
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 3: that I Love made it was triple cover that there's

523
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 3: a lot of yellow throws he makes, and there's a

524
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,560
Speaker 3: lot of like you know, times where I feel like

525
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: they're just on the power rating scale a little overrated

526
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: and for me, like you could shop around and get

527
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: the cards plus six right now, and again, I just

528
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: think this is going to be a closer game, a

529
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 3: three four point game, So being able to get the

530
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: cards up plus six right now is another bet that

531
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 3: I made pretty early, and so I booked them. I

532
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 3: booked the Cowboys. I'm gonna wait down the Bears game,

533
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 3: and I try not to bet on the Bears just

534
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 3: because you know, maybe it's like you and the Jets

535
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 3: as well. Those are two that really stuck out to me.

536
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: And then the college football slate is absolutely loaded. I

537
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: don't know if you've you've looked at that The one

538
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: that I would love to get your thoughts on and

539
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 3: is just really the Red River rivalry because you can't

540
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: call it shootout in your march that's right, Yeah, yeah,

541
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 3: that game because every single person that you talk to,

542
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 3: any article you read, any podcast you listen to, one

543
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 3: hundred percent of people are on Texas, like everybody.

544
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 2: Is is it fourteen?

545
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 3: Fourteen and a half? Right now?

546
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 2: That's a big, big game. Those games are always close.

547
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: Right yeah. I feel like in Oklahoma is a good

548
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 3: defense and so the crowds offenses.

549
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: That's the offense is a rough watch.

550
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: It is.

551
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 3: They've had some people injured too, true, you know, you

552
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 3: know it's I would I wanted to get your opinion

553
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 3: on that game if you were playing it. And then

554
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: of course the OSU Oregon game is the big, big

555
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 3: one on the docket, and so Oregon is a tough

556
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: place to play, man, And so it doesn't matter what

557
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 3: year it is or how good they are, they're getting

558
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 3: over a field goal right now. At all the books,

559
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 3: that game I think was a one point spread before

560
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: the season started, and because USC has been so good,

561
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 3: it's OSU minus three and a half right now. So

562
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 3: you know, I like those two home dogs, so that

563
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 3: I might be sprinkling some money on those guys come Saturday.

564
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: Okay, let me go back to NFL. So you had

565
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: mentioned green Bay against Arizona, and I was I was

566
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 2: looking at my notes. I have this nerdy thing where

567
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,679
Speaker 2: I have notes on every game, and this is interestingly

568
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: back to back weeks facing a Shanahan type offense. Right,

569
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: Lafleur comes from the McVeigh Shanahan, They're in that crew,

570
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: and I wonder is that an edge for Arizona defensively

571
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: having just seen Shannahan. Now, Shanahan didn't I don't even

572
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,359
Speaker 2: think they punted in that game. They just had the

573
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: kicker issue, but Sanfrey moved the ball at will. They

574
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: had a fluky Purti interception, the fluky Mason fumble. I

575
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: don't know if that's an edge for Arizona or is

576
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: that an edge for green Bay? Seeing what worked and

577
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: what didn't. Yeah, that that's.

578
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: An interesting game.

579
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: I initially was like, I don't have anything here, but

580
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: I'll look into it a little more. As for the

581
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: Ohio State, I'm on the Buckeyes minus three. I would

582
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: not do the hook. I just I'm not a huge

583
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: believer in Oregon. My problem, Vic, and I'm working on

584
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 2: this as a human and as a gambler, is first impressions.

585
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: They matter a lot to me, and I can't get

586
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 2: over watching Oregon the first couple of weeks and just

587
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: being totally unimpressed. The problem is, they're not like they

588
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: were the first couple of weeks.

589
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: Right for sure. I mean they're getting better and again,

590
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 3: to me, some of these things are just they're college

591
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: kids and playing at Oregon in that atmosphere, those little

592
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: things are those intangibles to me, stick out more in

593
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: college than they do in the NFL. And so we've

594
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 3: just seen it so many times where a lot of

595
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 3: these guys like have amazing weeks, or they're playing great,

596
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 3: or they get big heads and then they go to

597
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: these schools and lose at their you know, on those

598
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: away games, and to me, like playing at Oregon playing

599
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 3: at Oklahoma this weekend. But of course talent wins at

600
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,959
Speaker 3: the end of the day, right and so but I

601
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: just think that it's going to be a super close game.

602
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 3: And for me, the hook is why it ended up

603
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: on my card. I'm with you. If I'm not getting

604
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: three and a half, I'm not taking that game, and

605
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: so you get into me three. I get it, But

606
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: as soon as it went on to plus three and

607
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: a half, to me, that's what made it worth, you know,

608
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: fringing some money on.

609
00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me ask USC, Penn State USC coming off

610
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: a bad loss. Nobody wants to bet them, Penn State rolling.

611
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: I gotta take the points with USC here at home.

612
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: Yeah. I like USC in that one.

613
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: In Lincoln Riley kitchen sink game, like, hey, we can't,

614
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: we can't lose another one. Lincoln's starting to get unhinged.

615
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure you saw the press conference where he like

616
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 2: cut off the media member. It was like, don't ask

617
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 2: our guy that you know that tough LA media is

618
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: starting to get to him. I just want to go

619
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 2: back one last game on the NFL. So we've seen

620
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 2: these big underdogs cover. I think the underdogs have is

621
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 2: it six or more or five or more or something

622
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: like sixteen and two against the spread. It's a ridiculous run. Also,

623
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: we know these things don't last forever. And here we

624
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 2: have Philadelphia off the by getting healthy hosting the Cleveland Browns,

625
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: who are a disaster. Every press conference I see from

626
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 2: Kevin Stefanski. So far this week. Is Deshaun Watson getting benched?

627
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Who's your starter? Like, that's all they're asking. Nobody is

628
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: backing the Browns. Here, Eagles now laying nine? Is this

629
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: an Eagles smash spot? Do the Browns get right? There's

630
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: a report that Nick Chubb may try to go I

631
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: don't know your thoughts. You usually big spreads, we avoid

632
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 2: non divisional matchups. But what do you think.

633
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 3: I preface this by saying, like, I am very upset

634
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 3: at the Sean Watson because I started in my fantasy league,

635
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: yeah last week, and like I really thought the Browns

636
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: are going to win that game as well. So I

637
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: had them in like pigs pools and I had them,

638
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: you know, I put some money down on them. But

639
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 3: that being said, this line is a huge overreaction. This

640
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 3: was like Philly minus three before the season started, and

641
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,400
Speaker 3: so you know, if you're just a pure numbers person,

642
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: like taking the Browns up plus nine, everyone is on Philadelphia.

643
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 3: And let's be honest, as bad as Cleveland has looked,

644
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: there's something going on in Philly, man, Like since the

645
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 3: second half of last season, they haven't looked right. And

646
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: so for me to over a touchdown here this is

647
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 3: one of those games again you close your eyes and

648
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 3: you take the Browns just because of the number and

649
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: really hope that this is their season, right, Like everything

650
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 3: you said is literally that cycle. If they lose or

651
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 3: get blown out, is there going to be another Jets

652
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: type of situation this week? You know? Or is Deshaun

653
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: going to get bench? Is there something going to happen

654
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: with the coaching staff? Some changes will have to get

655
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 3: made if they get blown out in this game.

656
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody getting run. It's weird because you know nine,

657
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, the Cleveland Browns are terrible. But if

658
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: the Eagles are up twenty three to ten, just coasting

659
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 2: in the fourth quarter, just running out the clock, and

660
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: then you get like two flags for DPI or holding,

661
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, Deshan Watson egos, who cares?

662
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: But we're winning the game. They give up a touchdown

663
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 2: and they win twenty three sixteen seventy. They don't cover

664
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: the spread, and you dominated the whole game. But I've

665
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: been a victim of that a lot. I don't know.

666
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: I got to look at Philly really long and hard. Here.

667
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: I don't think the players are quitting on the Browns,

668
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 2: but The problem is, like the Jets players, Vick. You

669
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: mentioned the Jets. They weren't quitting on Sala in London, right.

670
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: The defense were playing hard, they were in that game,

671
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,000
Speaker 2: they had a chance. Aaron Rodgers screwed him. The Browns

672
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 2: lead the Raiders ten nothing and then kind of fall apart.

673
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: The Browns look okay early and then get run out

674
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: of the building by Washington. I'm not saying they quit,

675
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 2: but it kind of shorted the offenses. It looks like

676
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 2: almost like a Brandon Staley situation. Remember they gave up

677
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: sixty three to the Raiders and that was basically a

678
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 2: sign and hey, get this guy the hell out of here,

679
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: and they fired him like a day later. I don't

680
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 2: think they would quit on Stefanski or Schwartz because Schwartz

681
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: is a good defensive I just I think they're quitting

682
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: on Watson, if that makes any sense.

683
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he's divided the locker room. Man. We've

684
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 3: seen a lot of times in sports, right like again,

685
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: and Stefanski is like a coach of the year. His

686
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 3: players have loved him in the past, and it doesn't

687
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: seem like they're not going to quit on him. But

688
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: when you have a locker room divided. That does take

689
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: a toll on the squad as a whole. And then

690
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 3: a couple of things go bad the game, you're just

691
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 3: kind of throwing in the towel. You know, you're like, oh,

692
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 3: this one's over. Deshaun's not our guy. He's not going

693
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 3: to be able to bring us back. So, you know,

694
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 3: you bring up a very very good point. I just

695
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 3: think that like it's not or never for them. Otherwise

696
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: next week you are going to see some real changes happen, right,

697
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 3: And so you know, that's why I would grab the

698
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: nine there. But the one thing that worries me is

699
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 3: there's always try hard teams that come back in the

700
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: scenarios that you mentioned that are good, like cover teams

701
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 3: or backdoor teams. That hasn't been Cleveland like last week.

702
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,479
Speaker 3: I was like watching that second half or fourth quarter,

703
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 3: there was no urgency, there were no garbage touchdowns, there

704
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 3: was nothing their offense Like DANIMI I'm a Bears fan.

705
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:44,879
Speaker 3: I've seen a like terrible offenses, but at least they

706
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 3: try hard. There wasn't even any you know, ambition or

707
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 3: hustle in what Cleveland was doing in that second half.

708
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: And that's what worries me if they get out to

709
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: a deficit early. I don't know. I actually think that's

710
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,799
Speaker 3: worse than them staying in the game.

711
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: No, it could be, right, So, Vic, I think a

712
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 2: lot of people will listen to this and probably fire

713
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: up a resume and get it over to you. What

714
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: exactly do you recommend to some young people because you

715
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 2: mentioned following earlier. But at the same time, like you know,

716
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 2: you guys can manipulate Google just to get clicks on

717
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: any article. What if somebody hit you up and it's like, hey, man,

718
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: I don't have a following on social media, but I

719
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: have an angle that I think is good. You know,

720
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: is that something you'd look for in one of the

721
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 2: resumes or cover letters or whatever that someone gets you

722
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: in and drop go ahead and drop the email address

723
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 2: in case somebody does want to hit you up.

724
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course no. And again I think like, just

725
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: start a blog, start start tweeting, start putting this on paper, right,

726
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: and it's just like whether we like it or not,

727
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 3: just like in real life, like you got to have

728
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: some kind of work experience or use case you know, scenarios,

729
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 3: and so to me, it's like use Twitter, use sub stack,

730
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 3: use a blog to like get your stuff out there.

731
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 3: But yeah, hit me up on the side, like I

732
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: always try to pay it forward for what you and

733
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 3: like Chadmilman, a lot of people for me, Like you

734
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 3: can hit me up on LinkedIn, you can hit me

735
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 3: up at doc squad thirty three at gmail dot com

736
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: where I'm at doc squad thirty three on Twitter. Just

737
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 3: hit me up, let's have a chat. Happy to give

738
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 3: some advice for where you're at in your career. And

739
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: you know, there's always a place for someone, I think

740
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: and a lot of people. There's so many smart people

741
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 3: out there that just need opportunities, right and I think

742
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 3: that's very very important. But again, just going out and

743
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 3: doing and hitting people up, getting fifteen minute convos, I

744
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 3: really think is a great, great time right now for

745
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: people to be able to do that.

746
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vick, good stuff. I don't I still don't know

747
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: what doc squad thirty three is though, do I after

748
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: all these years. I don't think I know.

749
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 3: I know it was like a high school crew that

750
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 3: we had and that was my all screen name.

751
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: For the oh AOL. Yeah yeah, yeah, I remember those

752
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 2: days on.

753
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: Twitter, but that was like my aaim screen name thirty

754
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 3: three was for Scottie Pippen. That was my basketball number

755
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 3: growing up. Yeah, and so it's something I had, you know.

756
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 3: And again when I joined Twitter, this is when it

757
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 3: first started, man, and that was a very long time ago.

758
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 3: And then after that, I just like built up a

759
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: little bit of a following. Didn't want to change anything.

760
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 3: So that's kind of the origin behind it.

761
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: Nice. Uh And I guess I got a report as

762
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: we're recording this. On Wednesday afternoon, the news just came

763
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: out that Gardner Minshew has been benched. Aid and O'Connell

764
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: the starter. I don't let me just check double check

765
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: the line. I don't think anything moved for the Raiders

766
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 2: this week, looks the saying, yeah, no, imagine that no

767
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: drop off from Minshew, who is a capable backup. Uh,

768
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: he ain't really a starter. The Yeah, let me see here,

769
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: I see, I'll see the line the same, right.

770
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

771
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 2: Three looks maybe maybe a little bit with juice three.

772
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: Three Yeah, a little juice three.

773
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty sure it'll be three and a half. I

774
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 2: don't Aid and O'Connell against now now that the injury

775
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: to her big was big. He's the other edge rusher

776
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 2: they have he was like he came off against Dallas

777
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: and Dallas started to go off second half. It felt like,

778
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: so yeah, I don't know, the Pittsburgh's a locked there

779
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: probably a stayway anyways, all right, Vic, good stuff, Congrats

780
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 2: on the new job, ed now, thanks for coming on.

781
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: Of course, thanks for having me Bro.

782
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788
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Speaker 2: Good stuff from Vic. And now let me squeeze in

789
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: a couple of bets that I have on Thursday night football. Yes,

790
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 2: a couple, perhaps risky. Give me the San Francisco forty

791
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: nine ers minus three. Now it's very juice minus one

792
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,719
Speaker 2: thirty three, So one hundred thirty three bucks to win

793
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 2: one hundred on the Niners on the road. And I'm

794
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: also on and this is super duper risky. The over

795
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: forty nine and a half, I know that is a

796
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 2: big number. Thursday Night overs, sorry, Thursday night unders historically

797
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 2: are the play on a short week except for the

798
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: fact that the forty nine ers betting their unders on

799
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 2: Thursdays are very risky. This is a team that is

800
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: coming off a brutal loss in the division. We saw

801
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 2: last time how they responded when they lost to the Rams,

802
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 2: an epic choke job earlier in the season, and they

803
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: came back the next week and they were like, oh,

804
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: we are the San Francisco forty nine, we are a beast.

805
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: Get the hell out of our way. And I just

806
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: get the impression that we're gonna see at least thirty

807
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,799
Speaker 2: from the Niners tonight. That would be my guess. They

808
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 2: dropped thirty on the Jets defense on opening Night, they

809
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: dropped thirty on the Patriots, and when they've been on

810
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: the road. Oh, actually they were home against Arizona and

811
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: held to twenty three. But I chalk that up as

812
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 2: just a weird no kicker situation. Honestly, guys, I'm not

813
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 2: reading too much into that loss. I do think there

814
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: was something too, As we alluded to yesterday, the red

815
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: zone woes without Christian McCaffrey. That's a real thing. There's

816
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 2: definitely something there. The problem is Seattle's injuries. You know,

817
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: it looks like They're gonna be down two guys on

818
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 2: the defensive line, and I don't know if Wolan's gonna

819
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: play Tarik Woland, the cornerback, who's very good. He could

820
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: be out. This to me feels like not a Niners blowout.

821
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: But we got a rookie coach in Seattle, first time

822
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 2: head coach in the NFL, and his offensive coordinator also

823
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: first time offensive coordinator in the NFL, and you're throwing

824
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: them into Thursday night cauldron against the Niners. Now, one

825
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 2: could argue maybe they were researching this game last week

826
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 2: and doing some preparation on the side last week to

827
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: get a jump on it, thinking, oh, the Giants are

828
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: without my league neighbors, we good and of course they

829
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: look really really bad. It's possible or they were just

830
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 2: exhausted from the beating that the Lions got them, and

831
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: then a short week and now you got another short week.

832
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 2: Just a lot of things going on in Seattle. I

833
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: liked the Seahawks team. I just don't think this is

834
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 2: a really good spot for them. I'll never forget when

835
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 2: Brock Purty in year two went to Seattle and it

836
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: was like, oh no, no, Rock Purty, this guy and

837
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 2: I'm like, no way, hel am I betting against sand

838
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: Frame here and they smacked him around and Purty was excellent.

839
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: I know people want to say, well, Brock party in

840
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: the second half has not been good. Okay, sure, playing

841
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 2: with the lead against the Jets, didn't need to do much.

842
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Playing with the lead against the Patriots, didn't need to

843
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 2: do much, had to come back against Minnesota, was down

844
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: some dudes. You know they were in control of that

845
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: game against the Rams. If it's not, that's not Brock

846
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: Purdy's fault. And they moved the ball up and down

847
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 2: the field. Against Arizona, I would have to check. I

848
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: don't think they punted once, So that's Rock Perdy's fault

849
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 2: that they in the second half, they were unable to score.

850
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 2: You had a tipped interception. Oh no, they punted on

851
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 2: their opening possession and then never punted again. The forty

852
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 2: nine ers just a phenomenal performance from them, going up

853
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: and down the field. Just unlucky with the fumble by

854
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 2: Mason and in the red zone they didn't have a kicker,

855
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: so they couldn't kick. They just went for an on

856
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,120
Speaker 2: fourth and twenty, which nobody would do. And then the

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00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 2: tipped interception. It was just a little bit of unluckiness.

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Speaker 2: So I'll go Niners and the over here. Give me

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Speaker 2: a San Fran thirty Seattle twenty four. That's thirty twenty

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Speaker 2: four to thirty twenty three somewhere thereabouts. But I do

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Speaker 2: think we see a lot of points one number that

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Speaker 2: and I wrote this game up for Fox sports dot com.

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Speaker 2: You know, the only other coach we've seen rookie coaches

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Speaker 2: here on Thursday Night Football was Gerrodmeyo of the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: and they looked really, really out of their depth. But

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Speaker 2: then again, we're talking about a terrible Patriots team. But

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Speaker 2: going back, TA had the number since two thousand coaches

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Speaker 2: making their first Thursday Night football appearance twenty two and

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Speaker 2: thirty four against the spread. It's just it's very difficult

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Speaker 2: to on a shore. We get all the prep in,

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Speaker 2: and Kyle Shanahan is now a big time veteran of

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Speaker 2: all this stuff. I fully expect to bounce back to

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Speaker 2: who fund us. Sounds like he's gonna be out again.

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Speaker 2: Remember he got hurt last year too. But yeah, the

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Speaker 2: Seattle offensive line has has struggled to keep Gino upright.

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Speaker 2: This could be a big BOSA game. And any props

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Speaker 2: that I fire on, I will put them on the

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Speaker 2: old Instagram stories later today. All right, everybody, enjoy the game.

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Speaker 2: We are back tomorrow with NFL picks and a lot

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Speaker 2: of college picks, far too many, but college was great

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Speaker 2: last weekend. NFL not so much. We'll bounce back, talk

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Speaker 2: to you then.