1 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: Hell, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory 2 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with lanceln and Kyle Gibson. Before we get started, 3 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: let me make a request. If you're watching this on 4 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: the YouTube, please go ahead and hit that subscribe button. 5 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: See we blew past five thousand. That's a new hive 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: for Cardinal Territory. 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They just didn't know to hit the subscribe button. 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: So really, what I'm doing is I'm helping them with 18 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: something they wanted to do them. 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 2: Jim, you we get it. We get it, We get it. 20 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: Your numbers station we. 21 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: Got It's gonna be a long show. It's gonna be 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: a long twenty five minutes. All right, Uh, gentlemen, we 23 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: had an emergency additional Cardinal Territory Lance refused to come 24 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: on because he was disgusted by the deal. By the way, 25 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:30,119 Speaker 1: Matt Holliday, it's his birthday today, he's not with us. 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: They had discussed on birthday. Happy birthday, we discussed on 27 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: your show. If you're an adult and that's your birthday, 28 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: you show up for work anyway. But anyway, on this 29 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: emergency edition, Lance, we discussed the uh the trade that 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: you know, the Cards finally dealt Nolan Aronado goes to 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks in exchange for right hander Jack Martinez, an 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: eighth ron pick at Arizona State, yet to pitch a 33 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: professional game, and of course the Cardinals will pick up 34 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: thirty one million of the forty two million owned to 35 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: ode to Aeronauto, Lance, you were not on that that 36 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: emergency episode. Please give us your thoughts. 37 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: I thought what we were we were on text saying hey, 38 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 2: let's get on air. 39 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 4: I was like, I've got carpool at three, So that's 40 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 4: my that's my no FI zone. But I think my 41 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 4: original response was I absolutely effing hate it. I think 42 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 4: was what I might have sent to the group. And 43 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 4: here's why. I hate the amount of money that was 44 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:37,799 Speaker 4: given up for one prospect that you know was drafted 45 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 4: in the eighth round last year. It's a big what 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 4: if Arizona got Nolan Arnado for eleven million. 47 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: Dollars over the next two years. I just. 48 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 4: It was that was what I hated. I think that 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: on there and it's like, hey, we're giving up a 50 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 4: prospect that we haven't really seen pitch yet for one 51 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 4: air and only painting what six and five million dollars. 52 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: But here's what you know when you kind of relook 53 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 4: at everything that's gone on, the handcuffs that were put 54 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 4: on him and what he's had to deal with trade 55 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: wise this year because of the no trades, and I 56 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 4: think that our the list for each guy was so 57 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,359 Speaker 4: small that he was kind of stuck. But the amount 58 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 4: of money given out on all the trades. 59 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: Have kind of hurt me. 60 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 4: With the lack of let's call it, high end prospects 61 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 4: coming back, I think everybody's been kind of listed as 62 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 4: a maybe a ceiling as a number three starter, kind 63 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 4: of fits in as a depth role and or a 64 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 4: mid relever. So I guess the idea was, hey, let's 65 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: just see how many arms we can get. Hopefully one 66 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 4: of them or two of them hits has kind of been. 67 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: The gist of it. But you know who knows the list. 68 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 4: No one knows each guy's list on how short it was, 69 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 4: so he's kind of stuck. 70 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 2: So you kind of just go from there. But you're 71 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: we owned that a lot. 72 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: Of money for a lot of guys that are kind 73 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 4: of fitting the old back into the rotation mid mid 74 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 4: releiver roles. 75 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: So it's been quite a bit interesting offseason. 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: Kyle fairpoint. I mean the young arms that that Hein 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: Bloom has put together, some of you know, been top 78 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 1: ten prospects. No one knows how any of these guys 79 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: will pan out. Could be someone not even on the 80 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: radar turns out to be the best major league pitcher 81 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: of the bunch. But to Lance's point, the Cards have 82 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: given out more than fifty six million dollars to clear 83 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: a path so that they can do this, you know 84 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: reset that they talk about at least fifty six million 85 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: dollars to other teams to have three players not be Cardinals. 86 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: There is some risk involved. 87 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: But tell me how you think this will all shake out, 88 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: and do you think that it's going to end up 89 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: being a positive for the Cardinals. 90 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the two interesting point it's there to 91 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 3: me that lance makes you know, I think one is 92 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: if you look at Nolan aren otter of the next 93 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: two years and and the cost, I think his defense 94 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: alone pays for that contract. If he doesn't get any 95 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: better offensive, but his defensive war is going to cover that. 96 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: I just think he's he's going to stay a good defender. 97 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: He's going to bring a lot to that team, and 98 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: that's going to be really good for the Diamondbacks. The 99 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 3: other side that I didn't really think too much about 100 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 3: was the small list of teams that him had to 101 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 3: work with. Probably with all of those guys, and they 102 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,960 Speaker 3: might have all been different teams obviously. Maybe Wilson and 103 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 3: Sonny were both good with Boston obviously, but you know, 104 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: Nolan might have had a smaller list, and when you're 105 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 3: dealing with a small list, you you kind of have 106 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 3: to take a chance. Now, there's two sides of this 107 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: Jack Martinez coin that we can look at. When you 108 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: can look at college numbers, which I don't look at 109 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: too much. The strikeouts are one thing, becase as you 110 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: can see a swing and miss. But a buddy of 111 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 3: mine from Missouri, Nick Tepish, was a good college pitcher 112 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: by No. Means did he have a sub two era 113 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: and dominate. But the guy had a really good big 114 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 3: league career because he knew how to pitch, and he 115 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 3: had stuff that played better against wood bats than in 116 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: against metal bats. So I think that's why I asked 117 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: the other day to reserve judgment on Jack Martinez until 118 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 3: we give him a chance to pitch and let's see 119 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: what he has, and you know, let's see what side 120 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: of the coin we get, because I think there's there's 121 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 3: definitely some intrigue here with a young guy that has 122 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,360 Speaker 3: swinging this stuff, and you know, if you can add 123 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: a little bit of pitch ability, if he doesn't have 124 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 3: it right, we don't really know. If you can add 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 3: some of that, you might end up with a guy 126 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 3: that that can be pretty good. 127 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: So as it sits right now, gentlemen, then I'll go 128 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: to you Lambs on this one. The Cardinals have stockpiled 129 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: controllable young arms with good upside, and Hein Bloom has said, look, 130 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: we're still looking to make deals. There's things they'd like 131 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: to add, maybe you know, a veteran bat, which I 132 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: know you guys would would like to see. But in 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: terms of where the Cardinals are in terms of the 134 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: reset right now, Lance, how do you see it a 135 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: young team, as him puts it, that's hungry that they 136 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: think will will compete or do you think there's still 137 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: a ton of work to do on the reset? 138 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 4: I think you're around the edges right now of if 139 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 4: Donnie Mason Burley, uh, you know, if Gorman kind of 140 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: gets back to being that thirty home run guy, they 141 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 4: have a chance to surprise a lot of teams. That's 142 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 4: that's they have very talented players. The problem is is 143 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 4: they have not all sustained a level of success throughout 144 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 4: a whole major league season. But by doing what you've 145 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 4: done with moving the guys that they have, they've created 146 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: spots for those at bats to happen to hopefully where 147 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 4: somebody takes over and that part of a reset that 148 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 4: I think that's why when they use the word reset, 149 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,119 Speaker 4: it's like, Hey, who's going to take over and who's 150 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 4: going to be a guy every day and how are 151 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: we going to you know, muster up a lineup that 152 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: can compete every day. I think they have the arms 153 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 4: to guys that can do multiple different things to you know, 154 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 4: you know, take innings away from maybe different bullpen arms. 155 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 4: They're gonna have to kind of do maybe more six 156 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 4: seven man rotation throughout the year, maybe even dig deeper 157 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: to get eight guys, but with a different style of 158 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 4: arms they've accumulated, the different stuff they've accumulated, it gives 159 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 4: Dusty and Ali a chance to deploy these guys in 160 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,599 Speaker 4: different roles, not only to save their innings because a 161 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 4: lot of them are going to be on Hey we've 162 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 4: never really done one hundred and sixty plus innings, but 163 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 4: also where it doesn't get them over exposed to get 164 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 4: injuries too. So they've got the ability to kind of 165 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 4: mix and match and do the things they want to, 166 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 4: which we've seen teams do that over the course of seasons, 167 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 4: and it's a pain in the ass for all offenses 168 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 4: to deal with when you have different arms coming at 169 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 4: you at different times in different ways. So they're trying 170 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 4: to do think outside the box. You know, Heim was 171 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 4: in Tampa. Tampa's been good at figuring out, hey, we've 172 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: got swinging miss stuff from maybe a weird arm angle 173 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 4: or a different you know, it looks different in the box, 174 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 4: and how can we put all these pieces together. So 175 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 4: they've got a lot of pieces, how are they going 176 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 4: to make them work, and then how are these guys 177 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 4: going to succeed at the big league level when they 178 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 4: get an extended period of time. So it's all going 179 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 4: to be up in the air. 180 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: But they have the. 181 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 4: Talent to surprise people. It's just putting the people in 182 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 4: the right places at the right time to succeed and 183 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 4: letting them grow a little bit too as they go 184 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 4: along this season. 185 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: Kyle, A reset, I would assume, or a rebuild, is 186 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: always a work in progress until you decide that this 187 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: is where we need to be. If I were an 188 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: art major, I think they might refer to I'm having 189 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: now a blank canvas able to maneuver some things, added 190 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: some young arms, you know, to the minor league, syste 191 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: them and hopefully some prospects. How do you see the 192 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: reset going at this point. 193 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,200 Speaker 3: Jim, When you talk about construction and taking it down 194 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: to the studs and then you shift to art, you 195 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: just want to by far my worst college class and 196 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: art appreciation, and you lost me at art. Okay, let's know, 197 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: let's lay stay away from this blank canvas here. We're 198 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 3: going down to the studs, is what Lance is saying. 199 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 3: I don't think it's quite like that. But I think 200 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: that on this blank canvas, I said, so, I said, if. 201 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: Donnie, if Donnie and Nude are gone, it's studs. You're 202 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 2: done Studs. 203 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 4: That's where we're still and Jojoe, if JoJo's gone to 204 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 4: that's the that's the studs. 205 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: We're not there yet, Okay. 206 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 3: I think that I am in the spot where I 207 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 3: want to bring up a guy that Lance talked about, 208 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 3: either you know when we were doing our or are 209 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 3: serving it up podcasts, Isaiah kinnor Falleffa really makes sense 210 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: right now for the Saint Louis Cardinals. I think he 211 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 3: adds another veteran. We talk about like Donnie not being 212 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 3: a veteran, or we think about like needed to add 213 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 3: a veteran like Donnie can't do that. Donnie is one 214 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 3: of those guys, right, So, but I think Kiner adds 215 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: a different level of experience in the playoffs in different organizations. 216 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: I think he's a guy that I would absolutely bring 217 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 3: in at this point. He's a right handed bat, whereas 218 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: you're gonna have Gorman, Donnie Weatherholt, Burlison, a lot of 219 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: lefties on the infield, So you bring in Kinner. He 220 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 3: can play any position. On the field, and he's a 221 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 3: right handed bat. And if you don't do that, then 222 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: I would be in favor of adding to your blank 223 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: canvas Luken Baker and giving him the right handed at 224 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: bat at first base and or d h when you 225 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: need it. And if you don't do that, then you 226 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 3: go to a buddy of mine, Rhese Hoskins, and you 227 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: bring him to be that right handed bat on the line. 228 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think there's a couple of guys that 229 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 3: we can that we can add here, that you know, 230 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 3: add to the team on and off the field, but 231 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 3: you know, don't necessarily add to add to the payroll 232 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 3: and and you know, get them in a spot where 233 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 3: I guess maybe they aren't comfortable. But man, I think, 234 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: like you said, with this blank canvas, I think you 235 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: can you can do a lot to it and set 236 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 3: your team up here for years to come with some 237 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: culture and some some guidance from some guys. 238 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 1: All right, Just for the record, you brought up blank 239 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: canvas again after killing that analogy and then added the 240 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: word culture. 241 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 2: Your words, your words. 242 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you say, are I lose it? When I 243 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 3: lost it? I heard half of what you said when 244 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 3: you said it kind of took me back to college 245 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 3: and the C minus that I had to talk my 246 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: way into. 247 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's stay away. 248 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 1: From Mark, who gets a C minus in that art 249 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: class it was your supposed to get. 250 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: It's an easy. 251 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: A who takes I will pay for the class if 252 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 3: you go to the if you go to the University 253 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 3: Missouri and take that art appreciation class, I will pay 254 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 3: for it. And if you get, well, you're probably I 255 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: can't say. 256 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 2: We're class easy Lance. 257 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: Let's jump ahead because he jumped ahead with his whole 258 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: blank canvas thing. If you if you were thinking of 259 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: the Cardinals. 260 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: Right now, what piece let's go baby. 261 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: One piece at the Cardinals end. And I agree with Kyle. 262 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: I'd like a right handed bat, veteran presence, kind of 263 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: like with standing in the bullpen, a guy that's been 264 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: to the postseason, done on a big stage. 265 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: What do you see? 266 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 4: So I like Kyer because of what he can do 267 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 4: in multiple positions. And the next name that pops in 268 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 4: my head is Key k hernandez Uh. He's a guy 269 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: who's very similar to Kiner with his experience and this 270 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 4: and that, but he also plays every position possible on 271 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 4: the feet field. I think that when you're looking at 272 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 4: kind of the roster construction. If JJ breaks camp, then 273 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 4: Donnie's probably on left because JJ's best positions at second base. 274 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 4: So we need a right handed hitting guy that can 275 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 4: maybe play center field. 276 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 2: Uh what that? What's that look like? 277 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 4: Can you also play some second when we have you know, 278 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 4: a tough lefty on the mound, and then hey, maybe 279 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 4: it's Kinder and a right handed hitting outfit or Kei 280 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 4: K and a right hitted hitting Outfitlder. So you're kind 281 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 4: of mixing a match in because I think that when 282 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 4: you're looking at as the season goes on, I think 283 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: Herrera is going to get some more d H time 284 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 4: at times just to save his legs and all that. 285 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 4: But it also makes their lineup a little bit better 286 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 4: against lefties when you can use that backup catcher in 287 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 4: that in that role so he can get some DH 288 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 4: swings and keep his bat in the lineup. And or 289 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: you know a guy that can play first base and 290 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 4: hit two, like Key K can play first, kind of 291 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 4: can play first. You got guys that are in that mold, 292 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 4: but they also bring a of professionalism every day and 293 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 4: they can play every position and they're pretty much you're 294 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 4: pretty much getting a Donnie but from the right handed side. 295 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 4: And when you have both of those guys on your roster, 296 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 4: it makes if next to every day, you've got two 297 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 4: spots in your lineup field, and then how am I 298 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 4: gonna fill around it? Because Gorman is probably gonna need 299 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 4: some days off against tough left he's at third, so 300 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 4: maybe that guy puts in there. So I think they 301 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: need two right handed bats, to be honest with you, 302 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 4: with the way that they're kind of lefty heavy with 303 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 4: new and newt Donnie, JJ, Burley Gorman right, So that's 304 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: your left handed heavy bat. Three or two of them 305 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 4: are every days in my opinion, So or three of 306 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 4: them are every days if you have JJ in the lineup, 307 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 4: and then how are we going to finagle a way 308 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: to get right handed at bats and kind of give 309 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 4: those guys days as the season goes on too all 310 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 4: the way around, and I think that there's there's free 311 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 4: agents that are available and it's gonna be the three 312 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 4: to three to five to eight million dollar range, and 313 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 4: it's gonna be okay because those guys are going to 314 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 4: teach guys day in and day out, and they're gonna 315 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 4: be good for the JJ weatherholds of the world to 316 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 4: be like, hey, I've done this and this and this, 317 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 4: and it just takes the pressure off. 318 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: Of him happening to be a All Star right on 319 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 2: the gate. 320 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: You know the thing about ki k is you look 321 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 1: all right, he's a two forty hitter in the regular season, 322 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: maybe a little higher, maybe a little lower, and then 323 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 1: he has lights out in the postseason. Every year postseason, 324 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 1: he's there. Every year he comes to with big hits 325 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: or big players. 326 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 4: I like that trade bait too. You people have to 327 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 4: realize if you're doing this reset and you got some 328 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 4: money to kind of do some things on your team 329 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 4: right now, to compete a little bit, give the young 330 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 4: guys the ability to play meaningful games and have people 331 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 4: around him to help them win meaningful games. That's going 332 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 4: to help them in the future, and it's going to 333 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: help them now. But when it comes to trade deadline 334 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 4: and hey, Gorman's doing what he's supposed to do, JJ's 335 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 4: taking over a second. 336 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 2: He's good, Hey man, we appreciate you, but we're. 337 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 4: Gonna go get We're gonna go get a couple more 338 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 4: prospects for you. We're gonna let the kids take it 339 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 4: from here and then see where that takes us down 340 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: the line, and then you you know, you could be 341 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 4: in a good spot where you just keep adding, because 342 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 4: as we've seen, there's the ability to get pieces by 343 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: having big league players. So hey, let's bring a few 344 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 4: that have done things in the playoffs. Look at Kiner 345 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 4: in the playoffs last year. Look at k in the 346 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 4: playoffs forever. Those guys are our spots where they want 347 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 4: to play, and you got the ability to play them, 348 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 4: you know, four out of seven and then in the 349 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 4: playoffs or becomes a postseason time trade deadline, teams say 350 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 4: oh cool, I'm going to need a guy that can 351 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 4: play any position at any time, and hey, I only 352 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,159 Speaker 4: got to pay this guy two and a half the 353 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 4: rest of the year. Here's a you know, here's a 354 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: top you know, top twenty five, top twenty prospect, and 355 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 4: that's how you make your organization even deeper. And then 356 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 4: you're looking at, hey, it only costs me two and 357 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 4: a half as the year went on because I paid 358 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 4: them at the deadline. 359 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: So as you write your pottery wheel creating this work 360 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: and maybe adding the glazes to the Cardinals' final product, 361 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, if you're putting it in terms of art 362 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: and sculpture. We don't know what's gonna happen with with 363 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan. And you know, there's there's a lot of 364 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: value in trading him when pieces are coming off the board. 365 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: There may be value in trading him before the deadline. 366 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 1: Certainly there's a lot of value into holding on to 367 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 1: Brendan Donovan. That's unthinkable, but it could be a possibility. 368 00:18:32,600 --> 00:18:34,719 Speaker 1: Who knows what what lies ahead? What do you think 369 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: is gonna happen with UH? With Brendan Donovan? 370 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: Kyle, Now, Jim, you're talking my language all right? With 371 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 3: the art that I took in high school with ceramics, 372 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: mister Wyland, big shout out to mister Rona Greenfield Central, UH. 373 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 3: Ceramics was my jam. If I could have Spauwn Potter 374 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: on the Potter Wheel at Missouri, I would have done 375 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 3: that all three years and it would have been great. 376 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: All right? 377 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 3: My Potter classes for another podcast, though, are right? So 378 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 3: is there value in holding Brendan Donovan? Yeah, he's an 379 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 3: all star utility player, utility gold glove like a stud. Right, 380 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 3: of course there's value and I think there's value to 381 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: building your team around him. It's gonna be really interesting 382 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 3: as we see what major League Baseball and what these 383 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: teams do as they shift. Clearly there's teams making a 384 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 3: little bit of a shift from swinging miss a little 385 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: bit of a shift from Homer heavy swinging miss heavy 386 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: to some contact. And I think Donnie's just a guy 387 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:34,679 Speaker 3: that does that really well. Burley is a guy that 388 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 3: does it really well. Kiner is a guy that does 389 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: that really well. So yeah, Mason Wynn does that really well. 390 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 3: Like I think these are the guys that could be 391 00:19:43,560 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 3: really interesting to be on the forefront of that wave 392 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:53,160 Speaker 3: and really not loading up, but putting guys around. Herrera 393 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,639 Speaker 3: when the thump, assuming whetherhole has some thumb, you know, 394 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,919 Speaker 3: as you then add guys like in the in the 395 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 3: you know, the coming years, you have some thump. Yeah, 396 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. I've never been on board with trading 397 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 3: Brendan Donovan, and I say never until maybe a really 398 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 3: good trade package comes up. But man, uh, I just 399 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: think he's a guy that you figure out how to 400 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,520 Speaker 3: keep here. And uh, you just decide that he's a 401 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: guy and Mason or whoever else are who you're gonna 402 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 3: build it. 403 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: So Lance, we know that, uh that Donovan great in 404 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: the clubhouse. Right, No one works harder than he does, 405 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: plays a lot of places, hits, hits, and then he hits. 406 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,240 Speaker 1: So suddenly lance Lynn is heind bloom? What are you 407 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: doing with Brendan Donovan? Because if you're resetting, if you're 408 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 1: talking about the canvas, he can bring a lot in return. 409 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 2: What do you do? 410 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean obviously you're to see what that return 411 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,479 Speaker 4: would be and see how it fits with what you have. 412 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 4: Right there required a bunch of pitching so far they 413 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 4: have the middle of the infields kind of looks like 414 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 4: it might be next four years locked in in this 415 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,160 Speaker 4: in this situation. So if you if you view him 416 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,439 Speaker 4: as a hey, this might be our left fielder this 417 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 4: year on our team, but we can get this piece, 418 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 4: that piece, uh to kind of you know, maybe it's 419 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 4: a right handed hitting center fielder that you know, can 420 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 4: with some power and something and maybe a top of 421 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 4: the rotation projection arm. Now we're talking about, Hey, those 422 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 4: are things we don't have and we have not acquired yet. 423 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 4: So it gets intriguing when you look at it that way. 424 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 4: The question that like Kyle's brought up and that we're 425 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 4: saying is if you're in a reset who's your guy 426 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 4: that's going to help push this towards the winning culture 427 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 4: and the winning organization after this year. And I think 428 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 4: Donnie is one of those people, especially with I think 429 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 4: the reset kind of pushes it into Hey, let's see 430 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 4: what twenty twenty seven looks like. And as of right now, 431 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 4: Donnie is under team control for twenty twenty seven, So 432 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 4: I think that looks like a a kind of a Hey, 433 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 4: that's our our that's our our reset builder who are 434 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: building off of in the reset. But if you're saying, hey, 435 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 4: twenty twenty seven, we're kind of like, hey, we're gonna 436 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 4: see where we're at. Maybe maybe you, maybe you look 437 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 4: around and say, all right, if I can get a 438 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 4: guy that can be a frontline starter and give me 439 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 4: an everyday right handed hitting center fielder or or something 440 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 4: in that ballpark, and then maybe somebody that can project 441 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 4: as a back end reliever for one guy that's just 442 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 4: gonna play left field for me for the next two years, 443 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 4: then I'm thinking about it. But as a human being 444 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 4: and as a teammate of his and all that I 445 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 4: build around you. But you know, where's your team gonna be? 446 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 4: And is it? 447 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: Is it? 448 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 4: Are you going to waste two good years of him rebuilding, 449 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 4: or can you get these guys for five six years 450 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 4: when you're actually gonna like for Donnie and his personal 451 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 4: like for him personally, I hope he gets traded to 452 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 4: a team that can actually help him win right now 453 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: because he's in the middle of his prime career. 454 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 2: But that being said, as a as a teammate, it 455 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 2: is I think you should. You could build around him, 456 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: and you can put a great team around him too. 457 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 4: So that's the beauty of what you have with him 458 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 4: is Okay, if you're not going to compete in the 459 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 4: next few years, get as much as you can for 460 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 4: him and see and see where you're gonna where you're 461 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 4: gonna be going down down in the future. 462 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: Tough decision for heim Bloom. And this is the last 463 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: topic for you, gentlemen. You look at what him has 464 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: done so far as president of Baseball OPS. I think 465 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: he's been transparent. He's done a lot of different media. 466 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: He jumps on zooms and tries to explain and answer 467 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: questions about the moves that have been made. I also 468 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: think that he's done a good job in being empathetic 469 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: with fans that want to win sooner than later, because 470 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 1: that's what fans want. So my question is on the 471 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: PR front, which is important, and I'll go to you 472 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: on this one, Kyle. On the PR front, which is 473 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: important because the Cardinals want to bring back some fans 474 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,239 Speaker 1: understanding that this is a rebuild or reset. How has 475 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: him done on the PR from which, to me is 476 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: an important category. 477 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 3: Him seems like a pretty relational person. I only had 478 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 3: a few conversations with him, but I don't think he's 479 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 3: going to have any issue connecting with the media, connect 480 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 3: with the fans, and being as transparent as possible in 481 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 3: his position. You know, I think there's some there's some 482 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 3: misconceptions here from the fans. That is helpful to the 483 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 3: front office to tell everybody what they're doing. It's not. 484 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: I think we've seen that with some of these trades. 485 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 3: I don't think it's helpful when you have to tell 486 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 3: people what you're doing. So I think you have to 487 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 3: keep some cards up your sleeves and you have to keep, 488 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 3: you know, some things to yourselves. But I think him's 489 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 3: done well. I think, and we're sitting here talking about 490 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 3: are they going to be competitive in twenty seven? If 491 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 3: they are not, and if the goal is not to 492 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 3: be competitive in twenty seven, or you don't think you 493 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 3: can be, then yes, you trade Donovan and you move on. 494 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 3: If that's the case, I think the year twenty eight 495 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 3: and twenty nine become extremely important to Cardinals fans and 496 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 3: Hein Bloom's career in their eyes right, because it would 497 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: be twenty three, twenty four, twenty five, twenty six and 498 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 3: twenty seven of missing the playoffs. And I think we've 499 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 3: already seen it in Baltimore a little bit, where you know, 500 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 3: the Orioles did this rebuild. We won one hundred games 501 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 3: in twenty three, and I think it got the fans back. 502 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 3: And then now because the Orioles have kind of stalled 503 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 3: the last two years and not taken that step, there's 504 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 3: a little bit of like, hey, do we need fron 505 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 3: office change already? Well, the guy that did the rebuild 506 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 3: is who got you here, you're already calling for him. 507 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 3: So that's kind of how baseball works a little bit. 508 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 3: I think if you're going to be willing to take 509 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 3: it down and reset a little bit, it's got to 510 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: happen a little bit fast. So I hope for these guys' 511 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 3: sake that twenty six and twenty seven are competitive seasons 512 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 3: and they're not going in twenty eight, twenty nine. But 513 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 3: I think time will tell on how he responds to 514 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 3: some of that if it happens. But overall, I think 515 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 3: he's done a good job, and like I said in 516 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 3: the last podcast, is let's give him a chance. Let's 517 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 3: let this play out a little bit before it's just 518 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 3: you know, a judgement zone. 519 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: It's a great point. Transparency can be your enemy if 520 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: you're looking to make deals, because no one wants to 521 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,719 Speaker 1: show their cards when you're playing a game of poker, 522 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: which is what trades and deals are all about. But Lance, 523 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: I think that him has done a really good job 524 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,640 Speaker 1: being the face of all this and trying to explain 525 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: it to the fan base. 526 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that? 527 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you're looking at the way he's explained 528 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 4: what they're what they've been. 529 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: The idea was the whole off season. 530 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 4: He's he's done it in a sense, is it you 531 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: know you consider here contique how he's done it. He's 532 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 4: done what he's set out to do with trading the 533 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,199 Speaker 4: guys away that he've traded away. Now it's going to 534 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 4: be kind of like you had to deal with Boston, right, 535 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: he went there and he had to trade away Mookie 536 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 4: Bets and and do all this, and I'll kind of 537 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 4: rebuild kind of their farm system after it got taken 538 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 4: away when they were when they were going for it 539 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 4: and doing all that. I think with him, it's going 540 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 4: to be all right. This is his kind of his 541 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 4: year of Okay, let's acquire, let's do all that, and 542 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 4: then next year, during this season, he's going to start 543 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 4: being able to kind of put together a playing roster 544 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 4: on the field with what he's acquired, what he's able 545 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 4: to do in free agency after all this money's gone 546 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 4: after this year, because I think they're still seeing all 547 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 4: the money that they've given away, it's none of that's. 548 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 2: Going back to the major league roster. 549 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: I think to make them competitive this year, their eyes 550 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 4: are on twenty seven, is my that's my thought process. 551 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 2: Nobody's coming out and set it. 552 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 4: It's but you got to see what you have this 553 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 4: year with the guys that you are going to get 554 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 4: a play to see what you're building around in twenty seven. 555 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. 556 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 4: And then it goes from there is Okay, how does 557 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 4: he build in twenty seven to compete because that's going 558 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 4: to be like, all right, if that team doesn't compete 559 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: after what he's done in free agency and the guys 560 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 4: that he's brought in via trade and none of those 561 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 4: guys have hit and stuff like that, that's when we're 562 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 4: going to be able to say, all right, well, that 563 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 4: didn't work in the short term, because if you want 564 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 4: to look at it, the way I look at it 565 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: is this is his first year doing all this there, 566 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 4: but all last year he was taking over them. He 567 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,400 Speaker 4: took over the minor leagues and everything all year long. 568 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 4: So we're looking at year year two already in the 569 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 4: minor leagues, year one at the big league level. So 570 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 4: those minor league guys in twenty seven that he's been 571 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 4: overseeing the last year, it's better be ready to go 572 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 4: in twenty seven because that's year three of what he's 573 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 4: been doing of trying to create a place down there 574 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 4: where these guys are getting better and ready to help 575 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 4: at the big league level and what he's got going on. 576 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 4: So I think that's when we're going to see kind 577 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 4: of like, hey, you know, what his plan is, what 578 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 4: he's able to acquire and are they able to be 579 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 4: big leaguers And he was able to put together a 580 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 4: good big league roster because you kind of in Boston, 581 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 4: he kind of they didn't love the way that it 582 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: shook out at the end. Now you look at Boston, 583 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 4: now they've got a bunch of talent, right, but they 584 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 4: also when he was there, they weren't putting the right 585 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 4: pieces together to win games in a bigger market. So 586 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,480 Speaker 4: that's going to be where I kind of start looking 587 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 4: moving forward. 588 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: Birthday, Matt, Holiday, you weren't here today. We hope you 589 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: had a great holiday. And also, if you're watching this 590 00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: and you liked it, go ahead and hit that subscribe 591 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: button because we're marching toward seven thousand subs. 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