1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Congratulations to all the team that made into 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: the playoffs, but that's not where the interest is. The 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: drama is. It's about the teams that did not. What 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: was supposed to be an underwhelming week for the NFL 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: turned out to be one of the more exciting weeks 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: in recent memory. Final week of the regular season, you 8 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: saw upsets, Jags knocking off the Colts, t J Watt 9 00:00:25,720 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: tying Michael Strahan's single season sack record, and one of 10 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: the better Sunday night football games of the year. Raiders 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: and Chargers both went into the game with the chance 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: to make the playoffs. There was even that scenario that 13 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: they could both make it if the game ended in 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:43,960 Speaker 1: a tie, but both teams were playing to win, at 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: least we think so, and it made for some pretty 16 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: exciting football. Thanks to a Daniel Carlson field goal late 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: and overtime, the Raiders are now in the playoffs. But 18 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: the conversation has to do with the Chargers and Brandon Staley, 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: their head coach, calling it tie out and giving the 20 00:01:01,600 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 1: Raiders an opportunity to run ten more yards getting in 21 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 1: better field goal position. But It's been a crazy year 22 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: for the Raiders when you look at everything this organization 23 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: has been through interim head coach Derek Carr with what 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: he's done, everything that happened off the field, and I 25 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: guess you could say this has still been a successful 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: season for the Raiders. There was a moment last night, 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: and I love when you get an honest moment from 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: broadcasters because a lot of times you're trying to be fair, 29 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: be down the middle. But when the timeout is called. 30 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Last night, the Chargers call the time out. Here's Al 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: Michaels and Chris Collinsworth reacting in real time to that call. 32 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: This would be a thirty second time out. What Yeah, 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: the Raiders were playing to get it down either a 34 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: field goal or just let the clock brought out, and 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the Chargers took the time out. I'm trying to process 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: as much. Wow, I know that started social media for 37 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: hour ago. Mmm, now how is the play by play guy? 38 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: Your color analyst might go mmmmmmmmmmm not sure about that. 39 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: And then Collinsworth jumps in as well, and then we 40 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 1: have our controversy because Brandon Staley does bring out people 41 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: who either love him or hate him with his philosophy 42 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 1: and hates his strong word, but he was trying to 43 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: get his defense set. Do I think the Raiders were 44 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: playing for a tie so both teams got in, thus 45 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: knocking out the Steelers? Did Brandon Staley think the Raiders 46 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: were playing for a tie? Rich Besacia, the Raiders head coach, 47 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: on that topic, At what point would you have decided 48 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: to just play for the time and not try and 49 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 1: field goal? You know, we had conversations about it the whole, 50 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: you know, towards that end there. But if you remember, 51 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: we ran the ball early, they didn't call time out, 52 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 1: so we thought, probably they're doing the same thing. So 53 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: we thought if we could have a run in there 54 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: that probably possibly could get us in field goal position 55 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: to win it. We were going to do that and 56 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: that's what we do. So would you have kind of 57 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: if you hadn't got that big run, I don't know, 58 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. Here's Brandon Staley, the Chargers head coach, 59 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 1: on calling that time out. I understand the criticism. We 60 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: felt like we could get the run. We felt like 61 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: the personal grouping that they had out there, they weren't 62 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: in the goal line defense. We felt like we had 63 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: a plenty good enough you know, play call for that, 64 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: and they took away the advantage. Look and it just 65 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: didn't go down for us tonight. Yeah, you know what 66 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: I'm watching in real time, I'm thinking, why would the 67 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: Raiders gift something to the Chargers, a team in your 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: own division? Why would you help them make the playoffs? Also, 69 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: if I'm the Raiders and I'm going into the playoffs, 70 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: I don't want to play the Kansas City Chiefs, who 71 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 1: have blown us out two times earlier this year. I'd 72 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: rather take my chances against the Cincinnati Bengals. And if 73 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: I'm Brandon Staley, so why am I thinking that they're 74 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: going to take a knee? Because if I think that 75 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: they're going to take a knee, then I'm not going 76 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: to call time out and change my personnel. Now, I 77 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: can probably nitpick on the personnel that he brought in, 78 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: or maybe the formation, the defensive formation, But the Raiders 79 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: got the first down, Jacobs runs for ten yards, and 80 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: then everybody wants to second guess. I think people the 81 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: old school has a problem with Brandon Staley. The Chargers 82 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: became the first team in the last thirty years to 83 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 1: convert on fourth down six times in a game. They 84 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: forced overtime. They scored fifteen point in the final four 85 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: and a half minutes, a regulation, a game tying touchdown, 86 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: and the pat with no time left on the clock. 87 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: If you want to nitpick that, you know, he calls 88 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 1: time outs or he goes for it or what. I 89 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: don't understand all the criticism. I would have had a 90 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 1: problem if the Raiders were playing for a time, like 91 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: if the Raiders were taking a need to help a 92 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: divisional opponent, I'd have a real problem with that. And 93 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 1: I don't know if anybody's talking about that. I guess 94 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: because it didn't happen. But the fact that they were 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: considering taking a knee to tie and you're gonna help 96 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: the Chargers, not the old Raiders, they wouldn't do it, 97 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: but I guess the fact that it was on the 98 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: table is really surprising there. But I don't have any 99 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: problem with Brandon Staley. Now I don't like the analytics. 100 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a big analytics guy, but I understand you 101 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:01,239 Speaker 1: trust your team, you're gonna go for it on fourth down. 102 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: They were successful six times. But it feels like her 103 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: felt like earlier this year. I think it was after 104 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: the Kansas City game, it's basically that the old school 105 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: doesn't understand what we're doing and they turned on him. 106 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: And I think that it's almost the I'm smarter than 107 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:23,600 Speaker 1: you tone that maybe some of the writers, reporters, analysts 108 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: have taken away from him. I don't have any problem 109 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: with that. I have a problem I don't get to 110 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: see Justin Herbert playing the postseason. That's my biggest takeaway 111 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: from that. I want to see Justin Herbert play. But 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: it feels like we're guilty of piling on Brandon Staley 113 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,799 Speaker 1: because he took a time out. If I'm the coach, 114 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm not thinking you're going for a time Who goes 115 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: for a tie like you want to win? If the 116 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: Raiders we're going to go for a tie, then why 117 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: are you passing the ball? PAULI? Do you have the 118 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 1: plate chart there? Yeah, four minutes left, the Raiders had 119 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 1: the ball and they got it downfield, but after the 120 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: two minute warning. After the two minute warning, the Raiders 121 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: ran for a minus one yard and then seven yards 122 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: to set up the third down. Some people thought in 123 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: that moment that the Raiders not passing on second down 124 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: to try to get in field goalatory meant that they're 125 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 1: shutting it down. That's what some people are saying is 126 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: at that second down run even though it's seven yards, Oh, 127 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: they're not trying to get the get in field. Goaltarritory 128 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: eight seven seven three d P Show Email Adder SDP, 129 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick dot Com, Twitter handle at DP show. Lewis 130 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: Riddick from the mother Ship will join us coming up 131 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: a little bit. Also, Kurson Palmer will join us a 132 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: little bit later on as well. Colts, Chargers, Browns, Ravens, Saints, 133 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: All Out, Raiders, Steelers, Eagles, Niners. In every year, it's 134 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 1: normally four in and four out from the previous year. 135 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: So if I said, hey, you know what, at the 136 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: end of the year, these teams are gonna have this 137 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 1: in common. Colts, Chargers, Brown's, Ravens, Saints Out. Ravens were 138 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: one of the top five teams for the Super Bowl. 139 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: Odds wise, Saints won thirteen games last year. The Browns 140 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: Browns were favored to go to the AFC Title Game. 141 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: Colts had seven Pro Bowl players. The problem is they 142 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: have Carson Wentz and that's a big issue because you 143 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: gave up a lot, You took that contract off the 144 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: hands of the Eagles, how do you have seven Pro 145 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: Bowl players and you're not in the postseason and then 146 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: you have the Chargers. You know, the Chargers tease they 147 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: mean for years, I always looked at the Chargers to go, man, 148 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: that's a that's a team. It could win the Super Bowl. 149 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: And every year they gave you that. Man. They are good, 150 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: they're dangerous, they're interesting, they're fun, and they're all of 151 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: those things. But they're still the Chargers. And you saw 152 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: that last night. They just tease you so much. And 153 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: I love the quarterback. You know, the fourth quarter comeback 154 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: is that. I mean, that's that's what you want. There's 155 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: no quit We're gonna make the playoffs. You know, we're 156 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 1: gonna get into overtime. I don't have any problem with 157 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: Brandon Staling. I don't. I would have the fact that 158 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: the Raiders were considering taking a tie, I have a 159 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 1: problem with him, but I found that out after the game. 160 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: But you can hear Chris Collinsworth and Al Michaels. I 161 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: think they were under the impression the Raiders were playing 162 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: for a tie. But I just wonder how the rest 163 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: of the NFL would have reacted if the Raiders played 164 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: for a tie last night. I would love to have 165 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: seen a camera, you know, when we have March Madness, 166 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: when you have this smaller school and they're waiting to 167 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: find out who they're gonna play, and we have the 168 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 1: camera on them. If you had the Steelers in an 169 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: auditorium and you had a camera on them as they're 170 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: watching that game, because they know that if there's a tie, 171 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,199 Speaker 1: they don't make the playoffs and then Ben's career is 172 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: over with, I would love to have had a camera 173 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: there just watching them watch the game. And then you 174 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: go to that fourth down call or you go that 175 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, they're gonna run it 176 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: after a timeout, Yeah, Paul, the whole Steelers team jumps 177 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: out and starts screaming, and Ben goes, oh yeah, let 178 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: me get up here. Yeah, gonna take me a little 179 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: while to get up there with you guys. Oh yeah, 180 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 1: So Colts, Chargers, Brown's, Ravens, Saints out Raiders, Steelers, Eagles 181 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: forty nine years in. Oh, by the way, National title 182 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: game coming up tonight Georgia and Alabama. Here's here's the 183 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: analogy I'm gonna use now. I'm gonna watch it. Okay, 184 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: it's my job, But have you ever had this happened before. 185 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: You have a huge lunch and you get done, and 186 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: then your wife goes, what do you want to do 187 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: for dinner? And you'll go, I just had lunch. Well, 188 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: we just had lunch over the weekend, a big lunch. 189 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: We had football on Saturday, we had football on Sunday, 190 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: Sunday night, go back to work and then it's oh man, 191 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm still full. Hey, national title game coming up today 192 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: and this is gonna go after midnight. I'm sure that 193 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,479 Speaker 1: there's analytics TV analytics that hey, you got the standalone 194 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: Monday night game. But this feels like this game should 195 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: have already been played, and by the way, it has 196 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: already been played a month ago with Alabama roughing up. 197 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: George Fritzie is doing the honors of the poll question 198 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,599 Speaker 1: because nobody else wants to do it. Will do you 199 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: have a couple of poll questions? We do have a 200 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: couple of polls. Okay, all right, most disappointing NFL team 201 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: this season, including the Browns, Colts, Ravens, Saints, Seahawks, Viking. 202 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: That's one. Okay, hold on, hold on, uh now you 203 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: have w h I s H. Do you see that 204 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 1: on your poll question, wish road team has the best 205 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 1: gents to win their first round game? It does, say 206 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: which oka say w h I okay, just if we 207 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: get to that one, you know, I get it, we 208 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: would have to sell. And I did win a spelling 209 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: being third grade, I should have caught that. Yes, but 210 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: you cheated, didn't you? Well? I said capital asked for 211 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: Saturday when my friend just said, say so, that was 212 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of a weak way. Okay, okay, so um, I 213 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: like that poll question. The most disappointing team is that 214 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: what we're going with? Okay, run it, run down the 215 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: options again, Rounds, Colts, Ravens, Saints, Seahawks, Vikings. Most disappointing 216 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: NFL team this season. Yeah, we forgot about Seahawks, but 217 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: they've been eliminated. It felt like, you know, six weeks ago. 218 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: I mean there's some teams that are really Yeah, I mean, 219 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: the Giants are never a punchline, rarely a punchline. They're 220 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: a joke. And I said this a couple of weeks ago, 221 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: and I think your guy's reaction was what, I think 222 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: the Jets have a brighter future than the Giants do. 223 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: And first of all, that's not hard to do. But 224 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: the Jets, I at least feel like they have a 225 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 1: little more promise. I'd like to see a little bit 226 00:13:24,640 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: more from their quarterback before giving a definitive answer on 227 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: his future and their head coach. But watching the Giants 228 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 1: yesterday and I'm not sold on Joe Joe Judge watched 229 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: too many movies of you know, football coaches. In fact, 230 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: he would be good in a role as a coach 231 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: in a movie, but not in the NFL. Like they 232 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: ran a third down like a victory formation in third 233 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: down inside their ten. It was third down and nine, 234 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: and I went, what do you do? This will surprise 235 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: my guys? What are we doing? What have we doing? 236 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: Then the previous week he went on eleven minute rant 237 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 1: talking about that you're not you know, a joke and 238 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: yes it's a total rebuild. Be sure to catch the 239 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at nine 240 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 1: am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and 241 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio app bringing Lewis Riddick. He was on 242 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: the call for the Cowboys win over the Eagles, and 243 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: he'll once again be alongside Steve Leeve, Bryan Greasy first 244 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 1: ever Monday Night Wildcard game Cardinals, Rams Kick off a 245 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: week from today at eight fifteen Eastern on ESPN, ABC 246 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: and ESPN. Do you want to start with the firings here, 247 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: Naggie and Chicago? You got Mike Zimmer getting fired Vic Fangio. 248 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: Out of those three jobs, which one is the most attractive? Wow? Man? 249 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, I think Chicago obviously, because they have a 250 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: young quarterback in place that everyone will say, Okay, well 251 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: look at I mean, every coach, right, Dan, you know this. 252 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: They go into situations going and well, I'm gonna be 253 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: the one who builds it from the ground up, that 254 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the savior, I'm gonna be the 255 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: next pot thing. I'm going to be the guy. Well 256 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: I mean, and most times they connect that with having 257 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: a young quarterback who they feel as though they can 258 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,240 Speaker 1: take to the kind of levels that really are, you know, 259 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: commensurate with being a championship caliber football team. And I 260 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: think a lot of people look at Justin feels like that. 261 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: I think the issue in Chicago will be how do 262 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: they revamp the front office? Do they revamp the front 263 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: office starting from the level right below ownership on down 264 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: and how and do they stock it with football people? 265 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: So to speak? Although I don't like necessarily using that term. 266 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Let me just put it this way that people who 267 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: really do understand what coaches need in order to be successful, 268 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: what front offices need to be successful, do they do that? 269 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: If they can do If they do that, I think 270 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 1: everybody will be lining up at the door to try 271 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: and get that job. Minnesota is stocked. I heard what 272 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: you were just saying. This is a good football team. 273 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: That's some really good players that has they have a 274 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: system in place there in terms of the style of 275 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: players that they have that they that they've acquired. On 276 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: the offense, that's a zone running team, real good running back, 277 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: all world young wide receiver, a quarterback who can play 278 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 1: winning caliber football. But you're right, there's going to be 279 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: some people who go, but can Kirk really be that guy, 280 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: that postseason guy that can make that it can allow 281 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: me to win games at the highest level, which is 282 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: ultimately what coaches need to do. Defensively, they got banged 283 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: up this year, but they still have people who can 284 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: rush the passer. They got young, they got fast, aggressive linebackers. 285 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: They need to revamp the secondary. That's probably right there. 286 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: That's probably job number two. The third one, you know, 287 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: being Denver right now. The issue there is they have 288 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: no quarterback, zero winning caliber defense, still need to continue 289 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 1: to build out the offense, but no quarterback at all. 290 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: But in a great city, a team that right now 291 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: is go undergoing. Obviously it's some changes at the ownership level, 292 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,399 Speaker 1: which we'll scare off some people too, because you just 293 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: don't know how that's going to transition. But I think 294 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,479 Speaker 1: that's how it would stack them Chicago, Minnesota, Denver in 295 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: terms of coaches who probably are looking for a situation 296 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: where they can really build it from the ground up. 297 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: Those are That's how I would probably prioritize, and then 298 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,200 Speaker 1: you throw the Giants in there and maybe they stay 299 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: with Joe Judge. I mean, I'm not here to lobby 300 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: for somebody to be fired, but if you're going to 301 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: replace the GM, it just feels like that coach could 302 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: be in a tenuous situation there, and I wonder, you know, 303 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: sa Quon Barkley, Daniel Jones, Gettleman, your GM, Joe Judge. 304 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: It feels like that might be one big broom that 305 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: you use there with the Giants. Your thoughts, Yeah, I've 306 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: always thought Dan, that's the way you should go when 307 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: you're doing those kind of things when when you okay, 308 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: when you're trying to reset an organization and you're trying 309 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: to get your get your FOOTBA operation back on track, 310 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: it's really hard to discern. Okay, well, who's fault was 311 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: it that I need to now make a change? Was 312 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: it the coach? Was it the GM? Was it the scouts? 313 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: Wasn't the offensive coordinator? Was it a special team? What's 314 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: going on? It's hard man? And see right now, everyone 315 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: excused my language here, but everyone's in ask covering mode 316 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: right now. So the GM's going to point to the coach. 317 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 1: Coach is going to point to the GM. Coach is 318 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 1: gonna point the offensive coordinator. Offensive coordinate is going to 319 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,919 Speaker 1: put point to the defensive court. And you know what that, 320 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: to me is how you erode culture. That's how you 321 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: erode the concept of team. And honestly, when you're resetting 322 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: a place, you should reset the whole thing and say 323 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: this GM and this coach, you guys are together, because 324 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,120 Speaker 1: when it comes to building out a football operation, Dan, look, 325 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: you know that it's about it's about it's about scouting 326 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: and evaluation. Then it's about acquiring that valuing that talent 327 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 1: and acquiring it, and then it's about development and utilization 328 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: and all three of those things. When you're building the 329 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: football operation, the head coach and the GM have to 330 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: be like this. So how can you separate it out 331 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: there and go, well, it's the GM's fault, but the 332 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: coach is not at fault, Or it's the coach's fault, 333 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: but it's not the GM's fault. That's a loser's proposition 334 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: to me, and I think they should go, as painful 335 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: as it would be for the marriage and the tissues 336 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: to do that. Again, it's probably what they need to do. 337 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: We're talking to Lewis Riddick of the Mothership. He of 338 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: course an analyst for Monday Night Football. Brian Flores just 339 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: got fired, as the Dolphins said, coach, Oh wow, man, 340 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: things are happening fast. Man, while I'm sitting here talking. 341 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of Brian Flores and I'm a 342 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: big fan of his and I got to know him 343 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: a little bit this year. We got to do you know, 344 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: their game just a couple of weeks ago down to 345 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: New Orleans. They seem promising. But as I mentioned about 346 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: fifteen minutes ago, Lewis, I was told that if Jim Harball. 347 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, the Raiders would have interest, but the Dolphins 348 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: would be the other team, not the Bears. And that's 349 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 1: what I wonder. Now. I don't have any information other 350 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: than a source said to me yesterday. Everybody keep talking 351 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: about Jim maybe leaving to go to the Raiders. Keep 352 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 1: an eye on the Dolphins. Well, I'm watching the Dolphins 353 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: play and they're beating the Patriots, and I thought, you know, 354 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: they had a great second half here, watta was great. 355 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: You got to decide on two of ye. See, this 356 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: is this is where it doesn't become It doesn't really 357 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: become objective at this point. Now, it just becomes about 358 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: subjective and personal desires, wishes, feelings, wants of the owner. 359 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: That's really what it comes down to. You and owners. Look, 360 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: they own, coaches, coach, players play, and when owners own, 361 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 1: they can do whatever the heck they want. And if 362 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: if they have personal feelings and personal desires to work 363 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: with certain individuals, they'll just they don't have to well 364 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 1: quite honestly, they don't have to justify to anybody. But 365 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: you don't fire unless you know who you're gonna hire. 366 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: I think, right, does that you know what? Yeah, you 367 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: would say that you know, I think in the perfect world, yeah, 368 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: but I don't think quite honestly, I don't think a 369 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: lot of owners really think that way anymore. Because, yeah, 370 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,679 Speaker 1: they may know who they're gonna hire, who they're going 371 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: to try and go after. Yeah, but I don't always 372 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: think that they really think this stuff out really rationally. 373 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: I think a lot of this really happens emotionally, and 374 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: I think, you know, as human beings, we know that 375 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: sometimes it's just becomes personal. It's just about, Look, I 376 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: don't want to do this anymore. I want to go 377 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: this direction. And if you write the checks and you 378 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: own the team, you can do that. And we know 379 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: that Stephen Ross has a connection obviously as being the 380 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: Michigan alum with coach Harball. I mean, that's easy, that's 381 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: an easy connection to make, and he can throw at 382 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: him whatever money he needs to throw at him and 383 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: give him total control to everything. So I'm assuming right 384 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 1: now as we're sitting here talking, Chris Career still employed 385 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: the general manager. I think so right now. Ryan Pace 386 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: was fired as the GM with the Bears two minutes ago. See, 387 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: there were many see that, you know what though, but 388 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: that's what they needed to do. So now I do 389 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: believe that that becomes job number one that people would want. 390 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: Now we don't know what's happening with Ted Phillips, who's 391 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,479 Speaker 1: also there in the front office, but I think that 392 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: becomes job number one because of justin fields and down 393 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: there in Miami. Look, you'll find people who like toa 394 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: some people who don't. Some people will want to know, Well, 395 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: what's going to be the plan as far as that's concerned. 396 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: Are you guys really into Deshaun Watson sweet steaks? Do 397 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: you like too? Well? Yeah I do. If you were 398 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: the GM of the Dolphins, you'd keep to it. I 399 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: would right now. Yeah, that would be my plan right 400 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: now for sure. But if you could get new Shawn Watson, 401 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't. I don't know that. Look, 402 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: there's a lot about that that's non football related that 403 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: for me. Look, I just can't brush off and go, well, 404 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna think about this from a football perspective 405 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: in the and ignore all that other stuff You're going 406 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,640 Speaker 1: down like an avenue there that has so much unknown. 407 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: And I'm just not one of those guys who really 408 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: believes that you can just sell your soul just for 409 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: you know, to try and win football games and kind 410 00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: of just put on the back burner all those other things. 411 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: I've never been like that. Yeah, even in all my 412 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,720 Speaker 1: years in front office, man, I used to have some 413 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: real heated arguments with people about the character of certain 414 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: individuals as it relates to their football ability and whether 415 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:11,439 Speaker 1: or not they were good fits for what we were 416 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: trying to do. Really, I want to book you for 417 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 1: next season the Monday after the final RANKUL season game 418 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: nine twenty Eastern, and then I'll just tell you all 419 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,239 Speaker 1: the firings in real. This has been fun, man, I mean, 420 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: you're breaking news left. I was gonna have you on 421 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: to talk to you about the Chargers strategy here, but 422 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 1: uh yeah, I um you know, full disclosure here. I 423 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 1: have a problem that the Raiders thought about taking a 424 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: knee and a tie with a divisional opponent, Like I 425 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: don't have any problem with Brandon Staley calling a time 426 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: out to change his personnel because I'm thinking, you want 427 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: to beat us, not day let's just kumbai yah man, 428 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: handshake tie. Yeah, I agree with you there, I agree. 429 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: The more I think about it, the more when I 430 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 1: heard his explanation as to what he was trying to 431 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: do I get it. He was trying to win the game. 432 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: If you want to have a problem with Brandon, then 433 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: you should probably rewind the tape and go back to 434 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 1: some other situations, maybe like going forward on fourth down, 435 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,200 Speaker 1: backed up in your own territory, inside your own twenty 436 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: I mean, maybe you want to get mad at him, 437 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: getting mad at him for that, Yeah, And plenty of 438 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: people are Yeah, and I can have a problem with that, 439 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: But don't you want a coach who believes in you. 440 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: Now you might say he doesn't believe in his defense, 441 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: therefore he's always going for it with his offense. But 442 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: it feels like Brandon Staley has rubbed the old school 443 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: the wrong way, Like he's bringing in analytics and hey, 444 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 1: we don't need that kind of stuff. We have too 445 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: much of it in baseball. Yeah, there's there's no doubt 446 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: look at it. This has become something that has become 447 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: highly emotional and it's becoming us versus them type of thing, 448 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: which is kind of ridiculous because really there there is 449 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,959 Speaker 1: a sweet spot in the middle where data is your 450 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: friend and can help you and you do need to 451 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 1: be forward thinking. There's no doubt about that. There's no 452 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: doubt and it's not just an in game decision making, 453 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 1: it's in terms of kind of structuring your whole football operation. 454 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: Data is powerful, it's a very useful tool. Useful tool. 455 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: But man, people have really picked Side to be a 456 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: poster boy, like for being the whipping boy. As far 457 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: as this is concerned, right now, yeah, I know who 458 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: should who should make a change in the quarterbacking position, 459 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:32,760 Speaker 1: the Colds of the Browns. The Colts can't, although they should, 460 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: but they can't. The Browns. You know what I would 461 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:38,359 Speaker 1: ride with this fifth year option with Baker right now? 462 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: I would until I see what my next best alternative is. 463 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: I don't think either. Look, the Colts can't make a change, 464 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: so they're stuck. But with the Browns, I would hold 465 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: tight right now because you've got them next year for 466 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: just under nineteen million bucks, or for this year and 467 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: now that we're in twenty twenty two, and then you 468 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: just see how this goes in the offseason and whether 469 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,200 Speaker 1: or not you can upgrade the position. Great appearance, Lewis. 470 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. This, This has been good. I mean, 471 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: Past and curious this morning, Matt Past and Curious, Thank you, Buddy, 472 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 1: Tell Leaves and Brian we said hello and have fun. 473 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: Next next Monday Night Cardinals Rams on ESPN, ABC, ESPN Plus. 474 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 1: Thank You, Lewis You Bet? Thank you at Lewis Riddick, 475 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,879 Speaker 1: ESPN Monday Night Football analyst former NFL player. Fox Sports 476 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 1: Radio has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. 477 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Catch all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot 478 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 1: com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search f SR to 479 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: listen live. Hey, this is Jason McIntyre. 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Here were you on 489 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: a team that a coach got fired? I was trying 490 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,640 Speaker 1: to see if you were. Did you have a coach 491 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,120 Speaker 1: fired while you were No? Never, no, not not during 492 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: a season. Always it happened, Well, it happened one time 493 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: to Dennis Allen after the season when I was playing 494 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 1: with the Raiders, but not during a season. Did all 495 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: your former teams make the playoffs? They sure did. Yeah, 496 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: it's been a while. It's been a while. So Bengals, Cardinals, Raiders, 497 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 1: they're all in. Yeah, and they all could exit really quickly. Unfortunately. 498 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, out of those three, who has 499 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: the best chance to advance? Um? You know, I think 500 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: I think the Raiders are going to go to Sense. 501 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: They're tired. They just played, they played a whole football 502 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: game and another quarter. Um, they lowed, they lost Filing 503 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: in the middle of their defense, who's been an absolute 504 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: monster in the run game. They're fatigued, they're tired, they 505 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: have all this. You know, it's a huge emotional swing 506 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 1: to go from from that win right into getting ready 507 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 1: to prep and get on a plane and fly to 508 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: the East coast. So I just think that's a lot 509 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: to deal with. That's an exhausted team playing against a 510 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: really fresh team that has a ton of momentum, has 511 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 1: been playing really really well Arizona. You just I don't know, 512 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: you know, they they've looked really good, they've beaten the 513 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 1: best in the game. They've lost to some teams you 514 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,360 Speaker 1: just look at and go, how did they lose that game? 515 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,199 Speaker 1: And I think the turning point I said this last year. 516 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: I think the turning point was last year when they 517 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: went to New England and they were rocking and rolling 518 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: and playing really good football. And Bill Belichick had a 519 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: game plan that a lot of people have really just 520 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: tried to imitate and replicate, and that is keeping Kyler 521 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: Murray in the pocket. You don't go for sacks, you 522 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 1: don't try to get him on the ground, you just 523 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: keep him in the pocket. And he Bill Belichick gave 524 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray fits. And when teams have done that's the Cardinals, 525 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: they've had a lot of success. Now, in saying that, 526 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if if the Rams can have that 527 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 1: type of mentality on defense. I mean, that is certainly 528 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: not the way that Aaron Donald plays. That is certainly 529 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: not the way that Von Miller plays. Those guys just 530 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: reek havoc and go after the quarterback. So I don't 531 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: know if that'll be their game plan. But a lot 532 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: of teams have had success against Arizona when they just 533 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: forced Kyler to stay inside the pocket and make reads 534 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: and see over people inside the pocket. So you know, 535 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: I don't know what Arizona team shows up. I'm obviously 536 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: hoping the one that won the first appearance in LA 537 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: shows up, but we'll see the Chargers Raiders the strategy 538 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: there at the very end that it feels like people 539 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: want to pile on Brandon Staley, the Charger's head coach, 540 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: because he called a time out. He was trying to 541 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: change his defensive personnel, and there was the thought, and 542 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 1: the Raiders admitted this after the game, that they were 543 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: going to play for a tie, which would have meant 544 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: both teams would have got into the postseason. I have 545 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: a bigger problem with the Raiders contemplating taking a knee 546 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: and you would you would help a divisional opponent make 547 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: the playoffs. Help me under where do you stand on 548 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 1: what happened in the final minute there of overtime, No 549 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: you played a win especially, I mean that's I've been 550 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 1: a part of that rivalry that was a fantastic, amazing 551 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: rivalry for both fan bases. It's so much fun to 552 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: be a part of. And when you have a chance 553 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: to knock your arrival out, You knock them out. I 554 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: was more frustrated with the entire first half. I was 555 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: wanting the Chargers to win by three, and they kept 556 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: handing the ball off and they were getting dominated up front. 557 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: They did not have the offensive line to run the 558 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: ball that much. They got a guy in Justin Herbert, 559 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: who I'd put my money on him eventually winning in 560 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: an NFL MVP. He's that good of a player, and 561 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: they kept running the ball all the first half. You 562 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: just when you got a player like Justin, and you 563 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: got a defensive front like the Raiders who have been 564 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,920 Speaker 1: really good against the run, and you an offensive front 565 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 1: that isn't great in the run game, you just have 566 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 1: a back like Eckler who can make a play here 567 00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 1: and there. There's other ways to get the ball Eckler's hands, 568 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: with screens and quick passes, And you know, I was 569 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: I thought the most frustrating part from the coaching standpoint 570 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: of the Chargers was just give the ball to Justin Herbert. 571 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,840 Speaker 1: Let him go. Let let him take over this game 572 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: and get you the playoffs. They took forever, and then 573 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 1: finally they got to the fourth quarter and they put 574 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: the game in Justin's hands. And it was out of 575 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: reach unfortunately, but he actually almost won it, as we 576 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: all saw. But you got it when you got one 577 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: of the better players, if not one of the top 578 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: two or three quarterbacks in the league like he's been 579 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: this entire season. Put put it on his shoulders, give 580 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 1: him a chance to get your team the playoffs. Yeah, 581 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: I just I think that the old school NFL guard 582 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: has a problem with Brandon Staley with going on fourth down, 583 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: and they converted six of those fourth down calls. What's 584 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: your thoughts on that philosophy. It feels like it's the 585 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: younger coaches using analytics here. It's an analytical thing, but 586 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: it's also a momentum thing, and it's you know, where 587 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: you stack up. The Chargers don't stack up in the 588 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: run game with their offensive front very well against that 589 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: that Raiders defensive front. So if you're going to go 590 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: for it, you know you have all these third and 591 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: one and two to threes, and you get stuffed and 592 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,720 Speaker 1: putting yourself in fourth and three and four because you're 593 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: not making any hay on third down and running it. 594 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,719 Speaker 1: You know, it's a momentum thing if you're not if 595 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: if everything's rocking and rolling, and they can't stop you. 596 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: They don't have an answer. Then you go for it 597 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: on fourth down inside your own thirty yard line like 598 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 1: they did there, but they were getting pushed around up 599 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: front and they kept trying to run it again. Put 600 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: the ball in Justin's hands. You have a future MVP. 601 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: You know, one of the best young quarterbacks in the game. 602 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: He's proven that he can make it happen. I mean 603 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: they converted six fourth downs. Just put the ball in 604 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:52,760 Speaker 1: his hands and let him throw it or run it, 605 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: but don't hand the ball off consistent like they did. Fritzie, 606 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: would you give Carson Palmer the poll question I can 607 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: pole question is as follow, who was the most disappointing 608 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: NFL team this season? Browns, Cults, Ravens, Seahawks, Vikings, Saints. 609 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: I think it's the Browns. I mean, just the hype 610 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: machine that started with Cleveland, you know, all summer long, 611 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: going into training camp and then as a season progressed. 612 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: It's such a good team and there's so many quality 613 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: players in that team. They just couldn't find a way 614 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: to bring it together, play together, stay healthy enough, and 615 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: for them not to be in the playoffs with all 616 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: the hype and all the excitement about Cleveland being back 617 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: a fan base and you know, they finally were deserving 618 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: this great team that was starting the season and ended 619 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: up being a dutt and unfortunately it's happened far too 620 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: many times to Cleveland. Well I look at that, that 621 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: was preseason hype, but the Colts had seven Pro Bowl 622 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: players and they're not in the playoffs. To me, there 623 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of preseason hype, but you had results 624 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: during the regular season, and I just wonder, I mean, 625 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: they're stuck with Carson Wentz. Yeah, unfortunately he has not 626 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 1: played very well at all. And that's a much easier 627 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: division to win than the AFC North that Cleveland was playing. 628 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: And when you look at Indy, so obviously another big, 629 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: big disappointment. They're stuck with Carson. He unfortunately just consistently 630 00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: has not made plays when he's needed to, and when 631 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,359 Speaker 1: they needed him to make a big play, he made 632 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: a poor decision or a poor throw. And you know 633 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,439 Speaker 1: it's it's you look at that defense. They can rush 634 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 1: the passer. Leonard is a phenomenal linebacker, on the top 635 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: couple of linebackers in the league. Great great in the secondary, 636 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: very well coached, their running back led the league in 637 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: the yard. I mean, just everything stacked up for them 638 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: to have a great year, and they didn't. That's the 639 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 1: thing too about it is they didn't need Carson Wentz 640 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,000 Speaker 1: to throw for five thousand yards forty five touchdowns. They 641 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: needed him to just protect the ball, get them in 642 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: the right play at the wrong time, at the right time, 643 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: get the ball they're running back, and let him do 644 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: his thing. And really he needed to throw for four 645 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: thousand yards, throw for twenty eight or thirty two touchdowns, 646 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: but keep the interceptions in the single digit to maybe 647 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,880 Speaker 1: low tens. And that's not what happened this year. In 648 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,280 Speaker 1: d T J. Watt's second quarter sack, tiding with Michael 649 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: Strahan for this single season sound record twenty two and 650 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: a half. Why is it we have a problem with 651 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: records in seventeen games, but nobody had a problem when 652 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 1: we went from fourteen to sixteen games and the records 653 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: that were set. I don't know. I was listening to 654 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,279 Speaker 1: your segment earlier and I didn't even realize we went 655 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 1: from fourteen to sixteen, And don't know when we went 656 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 1: from fourteen to sixteen. But I'm I'm a sixteen game, guy. 657 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,839 Speaker 1: So I'm looking at whatever record I might have, I'm 658 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: going to get another, you know, another game every year. 659 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: That's another three hundred yards, another three touchdowns if that 660 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: quarterback plays well. So you know, I could care less 661 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: about the fourteen game. Guys, I'm worried about the sixteen 662 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 1: game guys. By the West seventeen. Did you ever help 663 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: somebody with their incentives during a game, like like Brady 664 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: helped Gronk yesterday. I'm sure some other quarterbacks helped their players, 665 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: But did you ever were you aware of incentives for 666 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: some of your teammates. Oh? Always, always. I don't remember 667 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: what the incentive was, but tj Houshmnzada in the last 668 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,400 Speaker 1: game of the year, I think it was for another 669 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 1: hundred catch year. He had one hundred catch like three 670 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: or four years in a row, and maybe this is 671 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,279 Speaker 1: the fifth year. Was the last game, and I checked 672 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,279 Speaker 1: like a little bubble screen on a run play just 673 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 1: and we lost like seven yards on the play too, 674 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: and the coach was pissed. But but he got his 675 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: hundred catches for the fourth or fifth year in the row, 676 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: whatever it was. But absolutely, I mean that is that 677 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,239 Speaker 1: is part of the job as a quarterback. You know, 678 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 1: those numbers mean a lot to everybody around you. And 679 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,319 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks so focused on wins because that's what they're 680 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 1: judged by. But when you have a chance to make 681 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,960 Speaker 1: a guy a million dollars help a guy earned that 682 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,720 Speaker 1: million dollars incentive or that a couple hundred thousand dollars incentive, 683 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,200 Speaker 1: you always have to have that on your radar. Did 684 00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:01,360 Speaker 1: you have incentives in your contract? I don't think so, 685 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not sure that I did, or if 686 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 1: I think I hit whatever. They were always minimal in 687 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: my contracts, and I think I always hit them well, 688 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: were probably making too much money that they didn't give 689 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,359 Speaker 1: you incentives? Yeah, I mean there's a threshold if if 690 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: your league minimum, you have a bunch of incentatives, but 691 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,320 Speaker 1: if you're above league minimum, you have hardly any incentives 692 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: for the most part. Did you care where you stacked 693 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: up sundary wise when you played with other quarterbacks? No, 694 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: not not so much. Um. You know, I ended up 695 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 1: being drafted really high before the rookie wage scale, so 696 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,359 Speaker 1: so you know at that time there was no there 697 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,880 Speaker 1: was no cap on the rookie salary, and then I 698 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: continuously signed big deals throughout my career, and you know, 699 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: it wasn't a focus of mine, or you know, I 700 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: know a lot of guys there's a respect level. They 701 00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: want to feel respected and want to feel they're being 702 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: honored with their salary in comparison to other players in 703 00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: the league. Some guys that's a big deal for And 704 00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,920 Speaker 1: then I know other guys that are always underpaid it seems, 705 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: and don't really care. They're just happy at the opportunity 706 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: to play and happy at the opportunity for the team 707 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: to have more money to go out and pay the 708 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: other guys around them. So, you know, I think it's 709 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,920 Speaker 1: a very it's it's to each his own kind of 710 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,959 Speaker 1: a deal. Some guys are very focused on the film. 711 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: What was that first paycheck? Like, well, my first paycheck 712 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: I was on the cover of College Football EA Sports 713 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: College Football. No, I'm not talking about what you got 714 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: paid at USC I'm talking about your first your first 715 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: paycheck with the Bengals. I've remember got a dollar at USC. 716 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,840 Speaker 1: Dan you know that you got millions of dollars, I know, 717 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: not just a dollar. Okay, So first payche well, first 718 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 1: I got like a twenty thousand dollars paycheck for being 719 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: on the cover of that video game okay, and then 720 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,400 Speaker 1: everything after that. That was so much money at the 721 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 1: time that when a million dollars came in, I was 722 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: so focused on twenty five or thirty grand, whatever it was. 723 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: I bought myself my first laptop computer, which you couldn't 724 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 1: tell me wasn't the coolest thing in the world at 725 00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: that time. But you know after I Wow, you really 726 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 1: lived it up there, Carson. You man, some guys go 727 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: to Vegas. Uh you know you you got a laptop. Wow, 728 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,520 Speaker 1: you're crazy, nerd? Nerd? Did you Did you buy mom 729 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: and dad a laptop as well? No, but I should have. 730 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,200 Speaker 1: Did you ever go to the ATM and just check 731 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: your how much money you were making? Uh? No, but 732 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 1: I I followed along on a on my on my 733 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 1: you know, internet enabled bank account that I was checking 734 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: out on my laptop throughout my career, just to make 735 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: sure that checks were coming in every week. What do 736 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,760 Speaker 1: you buy? What's the best gift you ever bought your lineman? 737 00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: I was. I always really put a lot of time 738 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: and energy and money into that because I really wanted, uh, 739 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to say thank you in a way. I 740 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: did a bunch of great stuff if I bought guys 741 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 1: hot tubs and had them installed at their houses one year. 742 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: I bought them segways one year, right when when nobody 743 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:13,280 Speaker 1: knew really what a segue was, watches, Louis Baton travel luggage. 744 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: I always went way above and beyond because then I 745 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 1: wanted guys too, because as soon as guys started playing well, 746 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: we never resigned him, especially when I was in Cincinnati, 747 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,800 Speaker 1: they went elsewhere, and so I wanted them going to 748 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: other teams and being like, man, you got us a laptop, 749 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: he got us a hot tub. So I wanted that 750 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: spreading out through the league. I wanted word out that 751 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: I was buying good stuff for my OFFENSEI linments did 752 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: come and block for me. Do lineman buy the quarterback anything? Actually, 753 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,840 Speaker 1: my one year, the best gift I've ever gotten my 754 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,960 Speaker 1: lineman in Cincinnati went together they I loved to hunt. 755 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: Nay all knew I loved to hunt, and they bought 756 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: me a white a red stag hunt. That was super cool. 757 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 1: It was a guided hunt, but I got to go 758 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:59,600 Speaker 1: on and I actually have that that red stag mounted 759 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: up in my house. And that was by far the 760 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: best gift I've ever got great to talk to you again. 761 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, Bud. We'll talk to you soon. Thanks. That's 762 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,800 Speaker 1: Carson Palmer. He gives nice gifts.