Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I
Speaker 1: grew up. Hey, everybody, welcome to episode one fifty seven,
Speaker 1: Phil six. Damn it got that at one fifty six
Speaker 1: on the Hunt Neglective. I'm Ben O'Brien and you've heard
Speaker 1: the voice, the lovely velvet voice of Phil T engineer.
Speaker 1: What's going on over there? Not much? I think we've
Speaker 1: got some more snow rolling in. Are you excited? Uh?
Speaker 1: Not really? Yeah, I mean I'm gonna take up skiing
Speaker 1: this year for sure. I've been saying that as well.
Speaker 1: Maybe we should go together. Yeah, maybe we should hit
Speaker 1: the slopes together. Is what they say, kids say, shred
Speaker 1: some nar together. Yeah, I think that's what the kids say. Um,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. I mean, I've skied a few times
Speaker 1: in my life, but never been very serious. But now
Speaker 1: that I live basically right next to a ski resort,
Speaker 1: I feel like, why the hell am I not doing it?
Speaker 1: Something to do in the wintertime besides ice fishing, which,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, is boring as hell. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: to begin the show, here we got Janice pateel Us
Speaker 1: asked The Eagle, one of our most popular shows that
Speaker 1: we do when we bring on Janice the Eagle patel Us,
Speaker 1: and we let you guys call in and ask him
Speaker 1: and me questions. I had a bunch of good ones.
Speaker 1: Um this time around, had a lot of fun, a
Speaker 1: lot of laughs, learned a lot of things. Um. I
Speaker 1: was able to actually describe a gentleman's deer skinning set
Speaker 1: up without ever meeting him, because he's from Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: I grew up near there and I know how it is,
Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. I always enjoy having Yanni
Speaker 1: and we were actually back in the studio, which I
Speaker 1: will tell you made me quite happy to be around
Speaker 1: other humans. It was great. It was great so to
Speaker 1: to to begin this. Phil Joshua Butler wrote in he said,
Speaker 1: pine tree, lavender and sarlock pit Are those your candle flavors?
Speaker 1: We had a lot of people guessing your candle flavors?
Speaker 1: Are they flavors or sense? Uh? Their sense I do
Speaker 1: not eat the candles. Don't eat them. Don't eat the candles.
Speaker 1: They do not taste as good as they smell. Um.
Speaker 1: First off, pine, yes, I love to fill my house
Speaker 1: with that woody that woody pine smell. Lavender. No, but um,
Speaker 1: I do love lavender. It's one of my favorite candles
Speaker 1: when it's not the holiday season, you know. Um, it's
Speaker 1: a great just just the classic relaxing scent. Um. It's
Speaker 1: always This might be the lowest moment of the show ever.
Speaker 1: And Sarlac pit. You know, I have not smelled a
Speaker 1: Starlac pit. I can't imagine if they that they smell good. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: most most pits in general don't smell good. Do you
Speaker 1: know what what a Starlac pit is? Uh? No, it's
Speaker 1: a Star Wars thing. I thought, get them at I
Speaker 1: has googled it. It's a Star Wars thing. It's the
Speaker 1: thing that Hans Solo like falls into. Well, Boba Fett
Speaker 1: falls into it, and hold on spoilers for the Mandalorian.
Speaker 1: Boba Fett gets out of the star Lack pit. He's
Speaker 1: in the Mandalorian on Disney Plus. Right now, he gets
Speaker 1: out of it. No one can die in the writer's world,
Speaker 1: exactly right, them right back and to exist. I know
Speaker 1: some more action figures. Uh, Starlac pit. I didn't know.
Speaker 1: I thought that was some kind of candle. So now
Speaker 1: color me to two weeks in a row. I've been
Speaker 1: made to look stupid. Maybe not maybe every week in
Speaker 1: a row. I'm not real sure about that. Um, alright,
Speaker 1: moving on, I had really had no idea what that was.
Speaker 1: Uh could have I should have known it was Star Wars.
Speaker 1: This hunting podcast is no longer even remotely about hunting.
Speaker 1: We're We're gone. It's gone, We're off the rails. I
Speaker 1: apologize on Ben's behalf for including me not ye. No, no,
Speaker 1: the listeners are going along with it, which I like.
Speaker 1: I mean, I like that they're doing that. Alright, Phil,
Speaker 1: we have to move to a bit of breaking news
Speaker 1: and maybe a controversy on this show. Yeah, yes, we
Speaker 1: have a listener, Greg Morrise. You know Greg from the
Speaker 1: Great American Outdoors Contest. He's the one that made you
Speaker 1: laugh by prank calling on X and asking if you
Speaker 1: could see where the deer are? That great? Also that
Speaker 1: was great and also prank calling first Light. So that
Speaker 1: got him a winning prize. Now, it took us a
Speaker 1: long time to get him first like gear, admittedly, but
Speaker 1: he finally got it and he wrote me an email
Speaker 1: it says, thanks again so much for the gear. I
Speaker 1: got it last week and I've been using it when
Speaker 1: I can get out. I really appreciate you guys looking
Speaker 1: me up. I can't do much, but here is my
Speaker 1: thanks to you, Ben, and then this video. Hello Mr
Speaker 1: O'Brien and first Light. I just want to say that
Speaker 1: I'm very, very appreciative of all the gear that you
Speaker 1: sent me for winning the Great American Outdoors at competition. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I was expecting, uh, just like a few things, but
Speaker 1: you guys gave me so much freaking gear. It's awesome.
Speaker 1: I used it the other day. It was awesome. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was in the middle of that rain snowstorm. My
Speaker 1: old pants like by the time of it, my crime
Speaker 1: would turn into pepecaca. So it was awesome. They kept
Speaker 1: me warm. I was dry. Um didn't rock a Melvin
Speaker 1: the whole day. Um. So just as a thank you, uh,
Speaker 1: to return the favor um to Ben for doing that
Speaker 1: for me as a proud member of the cult, our
Speaker 1: dear leader, I just wanted to show you with my
Speaker 1: super skills that I have. So you got you know,
Speaker 1: they're good, marshal Uh, you got some good architects. And
Speaker 1: then if you were to scroll down, look at that
Speaker 1: Ben O'Brien writer an editor right there sandwiched in between
Speaker 1: old mel Kuiper counting down the draft picks and Scott
Speaker 1: Van Pelt running down the top ten. I think you're
Speaker 1: in good company. So it's Greg Morris in his house
Speaker 1: thanking us, and then he shows us, as you heard
Speaker 1: in the video, that he went into the people from
Speaker 1: Maryland Wikipedia list and inserted my name under authors and journalists.
Speaker 1: To say that I feel like a real celebrity right
Speaker 1: now would be an understatement, Phil, I feel famous. How
Speaker 1: do you? How's your reaction to me finally making it
Speaker 1: after years and years of trying, finally making it on
Speaker 1: the people of Maryland Wikipedia page. Well, I mean, at
Speaker 1: first I thought you were completely unqualified, But then I
Speaker 1: went to go look at the list, and there are
Speaker 1: people on here I have never heard of. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I would or should have heard of them,
Speaker 1: So I'd say, you belong here, I belong here. I
Speaker 1: belong here. Now, when we first got this video, I
Speaker 1: didn't go to the people of Maryland page. I just
Speaker 1: assumed that I would be on there forever. I don't
Speaker 1: know much about Wikipedia, not an expert. I just assumed
Speaker 1: that because Greg Morris felt compelled and other THHC folks
Speaker 1: felt compelled to put me on there, that I would
Speaker 1: stay on there forever. I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: what could be a better vote of confidence for Wikipedia
Speaker 1: than that. But Phil, they removed me, didn't they? They
Speaker 1: took me off? You're gone? What the hell? Man? Now
Speaker 1: we have a controversy. Now what do we have to do?
Speaker 1: What does the THHD cult have to do to get
Speaker 1: me on there permanently? Do you know the rules of Wikipedia?
Speaker 1: Because now I'm determined to be on there. Besides folks
Speaker 1: like Pat Brown, Mark Davis, Mary Anne Gibbons, who are
Speaker 1: these people I deserve to be there? Bronze A Parks
Speaker 1: who apparently was a boat builder. Yeah I am. I
Speaker 1: have never built in the boat, but I've built a
Speaker 1: cult and that deserves to be on the Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: I have hunted, I have killed, I have eaten. I
Speaker 1: have done all the things that you need to do
Speaker 1: to be on a list of people from Maryland killed
Speaker 1: in Wikipedia page. I don't know what else I have
Speaker 1: to do. I'm thirty five years old. I deserve to
Speaker 1: be recognized for all my feats. And Greg Morris tried
Speaker 1: to do it and he got denied by you know,
Speaker 1: probably the liberal media or Trump or hypocrites and silicon
Speaker 1: Valley something like that. It's probably Paul the Sheer. He
Speaker 1: probably went in there. And it goes all the way
Speaker 1: to the top. It goes all the way to the top.
Speaker 1: And so I need THHD to react to this with
Speaker 1: the full force of your might and get me on
Speaker 1: for permanently the list of people from Maryland Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: We must firebomb this page. All right, we won't bemoan
Speaker 1: this any longer. But let me just say before we
Speaker 1: get to the eagle, we get some of the stuff
Speaker 1: to do. If you love me as much as I
Speaker 1: think you do, what like, what what do we have
Speaker 1: to do? Phil If we just keep putting it in
Speaker 1: there for the rest of the time until they just
Speaker 1: get tired of removing it. You think it's a you know,
Speaker 1: battle of just just how long can we force hold
Speaker 1: out to force better? Or is that do we write
Speaker 1: a letter to Wikipedia? You know, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know if the force method will work because I think
Speaker 1: Wikipedia they have like algorithms to pick that stuff out.
Speaker 1: Like if someone who's kind is like repeatedly adding something
Speaker 1: that they don't want to be there, I think that
Speaker 1: just makes them more angry. Well, can we apply to listen?
Speaker 1: I don't have a solution. Man, Well, what if we
Speaker 1: put something different behind the comma of my name that
Speaker 1: makes it seem more important? Philanthropist? That's right? Every year
Speaker 1: a couple to maybe three at least. There you go, Well,
Speaker 1: maybe just cult leader, would that be? I mean that's enough, right,
Speaker 1: I think you had to put some stuff in front
Speaker 1: of it. Author, writer, editor, you know, journalist, hunter, cult leader,
Speaker 1: like at the end, that's kind of like the period
Speaker 1: of the sentence. We'll see. I think that's I think
Speaker 1: you should lead with cult leader. I think that'll I
Speaker 1: think that might bring you to the top. Next thing,
Speaker 1: I know, I get a Netflix documentary exactly. That's right,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, now, I'll just play the jingle, Phil,
Speaker 1: not so sharp moment. You don't have not so sharp moments,
Speaker 1: George Barlow wrote in George Big Fan of the show.
Speaker 1: George wrote a poem? This is Is this the first
Speaker 1: not so sharp poem Phil that we've ever had? There's
Speaker 1: been so many poems now, I don't remember what category
Speaker 1: they fall into, but it might be I'm gonna write
Speaker 1: a fucking poem Wikipedia, cult leader and poet Ben ben
Speaker 1: Over Yeah, Poe editor, Okay, George Barlow. It was a
Speaker 1: few days past Christmas and the ground was a glow
Speaker 1: with two inches of powdery snow. It was a great
Speaker 1: day for boarding and the decision was tough. But instead
Speaker 1: of a snowboard, I grabbed my hunting stuff. I picked
Speaker 1: up my shotgun and was met at the door by Beasley,
Speaker 1: my faithful chocolate labrador. I knew the police Hills would
Speaker 1: be covered in snow, and I just knew where the
Speaker 1: pheasants were likely to go. I had to meet my brother.
Speaker 1: I couldn't be laid out the door. I checked them
Speaker 1: your tree. It almost hit eight frigidly cold, but still
Speaker 1: well worth going. It was a blue sky day now
Speaker 1: as the snow had stopped snowing. After a harrowing drive,
Speaker 1: we reached our destination. The dog bounded out and eating
Speaker 1: no invitation. At the first hawthorn thicket, he put up
Speaker 1: some birds. My brother shot the first and second, and
Speaker 1: I got the third. Then we hit the creek, which
Speaker 1: wasn't too wide. With a good solid leap, I could
Speaker 1: reach the other side. I unloaded my gun, checked it
Speaker 1: once and then twice. With the action still open, I
Speaker 1: leapt over water and ice. I landed across but continued
Speaker 1: to go. Before I knew it, I was lying face
Speaker 1: first in the snow. When I stood up, I found out,
Speaker 1: to my dissatisfaction, a great deal of snow had filled
Speaker 1: up my action. I used my finger to clear what
Speaker 1: I could, but there was snow up the barrel, and
Speaker 1: that wasn't good. Luckily, the snow was so light and
Speaker 1: fluffy it would surely come out with a little huffy puffy.
Speaker 1: Yeah that was. That was stretching it there, Yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: That was some Some clear and concise editing would help this.
Speaker 1: I'll just blow it out with some air from my mouth.
Speaker 1: I'll just blow down the barrel. And that's when things
Speaker 1: headed south. I realized that this might not be my
Speaker 1: moment of glory, as I had flashbacks of Ralphie, a
Speaker 1: flagpole and a Christmas story. My brain said, don't do it,
Speaker 1: but the message was sent. It was traveling down my neurons.
Speaker 1: I couldn't repent. My lips hit the barrel, felt pain
Speaker 1: and went numb, and I thought to myself, oh damn,
Speaker 1: I feel dumb. With my lips firmly frozen to the
Speaker 1: end of the Barrel. I couldn't shout or swear or
Speaker 1: sing Christmas carols. I knew then and there what couldn't
Speaker 1: be done. I threw open my mouth and left some
Speaker 1: lips on the gun. I'm not proud of that day
Speaker 1: or the events that took place, and the fact that
Speaker 1: I removed part of my lips from my face. But
Speaker 1: now I am wiser because I'm getting old advice to
Speaker 1: you youngsters. Don't lick metal. That's cold play. The jingle
Speaker 1: Phil sharp not so sharp poement, so you don't have
Speaker 1: to me amazing, amazing Phil An, amazing, amazing master poet.
Speaker 1: George Barlow. Yeah, I thought that was gonna go to
Speaker 1: a dark place when he said he knew what had
Speaker 1: to be done, and I was like, no, don't, don't,
Speaker 1: don't do it. But luckily I'm glad that he he
Speaker 1: helped himself. Um, I'm still laughing at Huffy Puffy. It's incredible,
Speaker 1: incredible writing there, George Barlow, Well done, sir, well done.
Speaker 1: That matches my little diddio on the Mediator podcast Christmas
Speaker 1: Special last year and maybe even gets gets past it
Speaker 1: quite a bit. So thank you, George, and for this
Speaker 1: wonderful feet of poetry in the outdoor variety. You're going
Speaker 1: to receive a Worksharp field sharpener from our friends at
Speaker 1: Work Sharp. Please keep sending in your not so sharp moments.
Speaker 1: We are going to do a contest in two weeks
Speaker 1: to give away some wonderful not so sharp moment gear
Speaker 1: from work Sharp. It's something that will sharpen a knife
Speaker 1: for you. We're going to Phil and I are going
Speaker 1: to rank and then vote on the best not so
Speaker 1: sharp moments of the year a couple of weeks here
Speaker 1: in our last show of twenty so stick around for
Speaker 1: that and also why you're at it. Head on over
Speaker 1: to the worksharp YouTube page for weekly sharpening tips, including
Speaker 1: yours truly from a couple of weeks ago. Uh, keep
Speaker 1: keep them sharp for the holiday season with our friends
Speaker 1: at Work Sharp. That that man, that's a late entry field,
Speaker 1: but that might make it into the top not so
Speaker 1: our moments of the year. Do you feel it has
Speaker 1: a chance. Oh yeah, it's got a it's got a shot,
Speaker 1: got a real shot. It's got a shot to take
Speaker 1: the prize. Um So, George, if you're listening, get ready, buddy,
Speaker 1: you might you might be receiving some presents from your
Speaker 1: boys th C. So we won't keep this much longer.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it short today because we have the
Speaker 1: great and powerful honest But tell us asked the eagle,
Speaker 1: all of your calls coming right at you. Enjoy the honest,
Speaker 1: but tell us, it's good to see you man. What's up? Man?
Speaker 1: I haven't seen you in so long, other than on
Speaker 1: the zoom or like actually on the YouTube's. I thought
Speaker 1: we just did one of these, but happen. It's been
Speaker 1: like a month maybe more way more. It was in October,
Speaker 1: that's December, yeah, because we were talking about how bad
Speaker 1: you're September hunts where archery season was, yeah, and then
Speaker 1: October we got a little bit better, and then November
Speaker 1: non existent. It just didn't happen. Mostly because of COVID.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because of COVID. I got a day and
Speaker 1: a half in the breaks, saw hundred deer in two days,
Speaker 1: not a mature buck amongst them, and then got the COVID.
Speaker 1: That was it. I haven't been out since. I still
Speaker 1: have the lung damage is still pretty pretty still feeling it,
Speaker 1: still feeling it. I took my little son out there.
Speaker 1: We were building a fort out by the river. It was,
Speaker 1: you know, just as a cool thing to do with
Speaker 1: a little fire in there or whatever. And the other
Speaker 1: times we've been there so easy, it's easy to get to.
Speaker 1: But last time we went, I was like I had
Speaker 1: to we got home, I had to lay down to rest.
Speaker 1: I felt like an old old man dad. I know.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to be a COVID alarmist or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but um, you know, man, it's good
Speaker 1: to get people's stories out there because somehow, for some reason,
Speaker 1: it's there's plenty of people who I I personally believe
Speaker 1: are being quite selfish with the way that they're treating
Speaker 1: the whole situation because they're kind of only how it
Speaker 1: affects them and not. Uh. I don't know, man, I
Speaker 1: just look at it is like a like a patriotic thing.
Speaker 1: I'm if we all just got a chip in we
Speaker 1: are done, like you know, World War two, you know,
Speaker 1: we rosid riveter my. I feel like, you know, when
Speaker 1: people that make it a civil liberties thing, I get you.
Speaker 1: I'm all civil liberties. I'm all for civil liberties. But
Speaker 1: I also drive on the right side of the road,
Speaker 1: even though I pay for the whole road, and I
Speaker 1: wear my seatbelt, and I go the speed limit. To
Speaker 1: bring up that, uh, that argument with the speed limit,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you follow the speed limit, don't you,
Speaker 1: And that's someone asking you to do that. They're not
Speaker 1: you know, they can ticket you for it, but really,
Speaker 1: what's the speed limit. The speed limit is to keep
Speaker 1: everyone safe and to say, like, we all agree that
Speaker 1: this is a reasonable speed to go to keep everyone safe.
Speaker 1: And the other rule we have is don't be inebriated
Speaker 1: when you're doing there when they're driving, that's a rule.
Speaker 1: All those are public safety measures, that's all they are.
Speaker 1: And I think we've just politicized this, this particular public
Speaker 1: safety measure that's not hard at all to do. It's
Speaker 1: not so easy. Um, philosophically, I get the argument, but
Speaker 1: just from a tangible, daily life thing, how much it helps.
Speaker 1: I'm not a doctor, but if it helps a little bit,
Speaker 1: then it's worth it, I think. So I saw who
Speaker 1: went through it. I mean I definitely didn't get it
Speaker 1: at a rave or anything. I got it in the
Speaker 1: Missouri Breaks hunting with one other dude, you know. So
Speaker 1: my my, my example is not not great in that way.
Speaker 1: But um, just in general, everybody's talking about it. It's
Speaker 1: it affects all our lives. And after I got COVID,
Speaker 1: I started thinking, like what can I do for other
Speaker 1: people to make sure that they don't have to experience
Speaker 1: this because it was It wasn't just not fun, it
Speaker 1: was awful. Yeah, you got it bad. Yeah I got
Speaker 1: like even the physical and mental issues that I've had,
Speaker 1: because I got really confused a lot after it. UM
Speaker 1: had ringing in my ears and things like that. Still
Speaker 1: do UM, But just what I saw my family have
Speaker 1: to go through, you just on the back end because
Speaker 1: they all got it too. So dude, I just got
Speaker 1: a email from my father in law who has an
Speaker 1: acquaintance fifty seven years old, not even sixty, and she
Speaker 1: and her husband got it. She passed away. He made
Speaker 1: it barely. It's like this code is like a tornado.
Speaker 1: It just like goes into your town and like rex
Speaker 1: one house and pulls the shingles off another house, and
Speaker 1: rex the next house down the street, and like and
Speaker 1: then then how how we figure that out? Because I
Speaker 1: had been doing I had been taken zinc ightamin d,
Speaker 1: a huge dose of viightamin d as big as I
Speaker 1: could take, and a big dose of ighthum and see
Speaker 1: for like six or seven months to the point where
Speaker 1: I got COVID. So he's just doing that just to
Speaker 1: be preventative, just to be I never take I hate
Speaker 1: taking pills altogether, but I did for this because I
Speaker 1: felt like it was I needed to boost my immune
Speaker 1: system and say it's healthy. I could didn't help you,
Speaker 1: note then help me none. Oh. In fact, now I'm
Speaker 1: like vitamin D. We get vaccinated when it shows up,
Speaker 1: I think. But I'm in the immunity thing, so I
Speaker 1: think just for again, think about other people. I would, Oh,
Speaker 1: but let's just say if there's plenty for everybody, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're fine. Oh yeah, I mean whatever. I'd like to
Speaker 1: hear that. I want to get one too as soon
Speaker 1: as I can. But dude, I certainly would understand if
Speaker 1: somebody said, I'm a little nervous about it, but like, no,
Speaker 1: this is something to be nervous about, Like it's not
Speaker 1: something just to go well, yeah, I heard today that
Speaker 1: they had a couple of folks that have allergies that
Speaker 1: got their shot yesterday in Great Britain. They had some
Speaker 1: some bad. Uh. Vaccinations aren't like, aren't a thing that
Speaker 1: fixes it for everyone? It's it's yet another measure to,
Speaker 1: you know, take a step forward and how we fight it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, hopefully get to hurt immunity. Get that. We
Speaker 1: gotta get that hurt immunity. Well, you know, screw you COVID.
Speaker 1: We're moving on, I asked the eagle. We're it's been
Speaker 1: it's been a little while and you've been out there
Speaker 1: ripping it up in the woods and I don't even know,
Speaker 1: like what the successful what what's happened? Any Well, my
Speaker 1: November had late November, late October through November. I did
Speaker 1: have a couple of skonkers. I did. I'll be honest
Speaker 1: with you, like full bad haunts. You didn't, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. I um, I had great haunts. Enjoyed myself immensely.
Speaker 1: But if you're gonna be like a YouTube commentator, it's like,
Speaker 1: don't even bother watching it because they didn't shoot nothing,
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be disappointed. But hopefully you know the
Speaker 1: people involved and just watching them do their thing. And
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even call them like we didn't really struggle.
Speaker 1: It just like didn't quite come together, you know, which
Speaker 1: happens a lot hunting tag I had man I passed
Speaker 1: like I don't know thirty or forty bulls on your
Speaker 1: first week. Yeah, you were there for a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then I went for four days thinking, you know,
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be that hard dialed in. I didn't see
Speaker 1: an elk what in four days? Weather or just you
Speaker 1: just weather pressure. You know when I was leaving, when
Speaker 1: I came and stopped in camp there for that one
Speaker 1: little morning I was leaving, there was a dude checking
Speaker 1: in like a three eighty bowl right in town there.
Speaker 1: That's what I was looking for. They were there around
Speaker 1: and you know, I keep telling everybody I'm not going
Speaker 1: to have a tag like that again for quite some time.
Speaker 1: So I had to give it my all to possibly
Speaker 1: come home, and I wasn't. I would have shot a
Speaker 1: much less than a three eighty, but like you know,
Speaker 1: even in those last four days, my goal was just
Speaker 1: to shoot a bigger one than I've ever had before,
Speaker 1: which is just yeah, I didn't know about that area
Speaker 1: in terms of trophy class. But after I saw I
Speaker 1: saw two two bulls and two backs of trucks, that
Speaker 1: was like whoa Yanni was? He was dialed in the
Speaker 1: right thing and plus and you just make a bet, man,
Speaker 1: like you just made a bet and I'm gonna stick
Speaker 1: into this. This is what I want. Nothing wrong with that,
Speaker 1: not wrong with that at all. What else? Uh? November,
Speaker 1: I was in Wisconsin, got to White to hunt my
Speaker 1: dad in the super Fun He got a shot, Um,
Speaker 1: I did not. I got very close. I drew back
Speaker 1: on a couple of bucks, but just didn't come together
Speaker 1: for me. Um. And then oh, I did go to
Speaker 1: Colorado and I got to hunt that season in Colorado,
Speaker 1: which number one, you don't get to do often. But
Speaker 1: this was even better because they their season structure just
Speaker 1: changed and so fourth season was roughly a week later
Speaker 1: than it's been for decades, I mean decades. So like
Speaker 1: everybody that got to hunt four season this past year
Speaker 1: and the next whatever four years, I guess until the
Speaker 1: season structure changes again, it's gonna be hunting later than
Speaker 1: they ever have. You know, third season is gonna be
Speaker 1: like what fourth season was. So it was really cool
Speaker 1: just to be able to like really witness full on
Speaker 1: mule deer migration and mule deer rut. I was gonna say, like,
Speaker 1: where was the rut? Do you feel like it was
Speaker 1: on the later on? Again, I had a lot of
Speaker 1: warm tempts this fall and we had them down there
Speaker 1: in southern Colorado too, and during when it was cool,
Speaker 1: if it was cloudy, if it was early, if it
Speaker 1: was late, it was on. But it just got warm
Speaker 1: enough every day that it just put them to bed,
Speaker 1: you know, and they would just be bettered down. And
Speaker 1: even then you get a buck, stand up and go
Speaker 1: push a door around here here there. But I just
Speaker 1: feel like, had it been instead of like hitting close
Speaker 1: to sixty every day, if it had only gotten like
Speaker 1: right at forty every day, I think we just would
Speaker 1: have had deer on their feet all day long. Am
Speaker 1: I one and a half pre COVID mule deer hunting days.
Speaker 1: There was deer everywhere, but it was fifty degrees and
Speaker 1: I just thought, give me a cold snap, and it's on.
Speaker 1: And then I got COVID. Never got to go back.
Speaker 1: They had the cold snap, and I had more people
Speaker 1: send me bucks they shot in that area than I
Speaker 1: would even thought I would know people that even would
Speaker 1: go there. So I'm I'm there in my COVID lockdown,
Speaker 1: going new I just want to I can hunt alone.
Speaker 1: Nobody would get coded from me if I never saw
Speaker 1: a person. Um, So yeah, frustrating, but I'm glad you
Speaker 1: got that done. That was a nice buck, dandy man,
Speaker 1: especially for her last day buck. Hell yeah, and again
Speaker 1: I had made a bet and i'd let like a
Speaker 1: buck that was very close to that buck passed the
Speaker 1: day before. And uh, let me just say this, there's
Speaker 1: a bravery, and there's a certain courage and bravery that
Speaker 1: comes with film and a hunt no wing. You need,
Speaker 1: you know, and you need an ultimately something for people
Speaker 1: to see some excitement, but still holding out anyway. So
Speaker 1: that's that's courageous, I would say, because there's there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of stupidity involved. When I was just a writer,
Speaker 1: back when I was working for magazines, there was the
Speaker 1: photo buck. What's this idea that if you got sent
Speaker 1: on an assignment story on a on a trip, that
Speaker 1: you needed to kill something to pay off the story
Speaker 1: good right in the magazine. So there's photobuck or photo
Speaker 1: bowl in any case, Like, if you saw something that
Speaker 1: was representative and you could kill it, you kind of
Speaker 1: had to. And I felt like that always changed the game.
Speaker 1: You know. Oh no, for sure, man ful film and
Speaker 1: stuff is it makes it, It adds in, it complicates it.
Speaker 1: I should say, well, we got some some asked the Eagle.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of Asked the Eagle emails, So
Speaker 1: thank you for everybody that that follows Janice on social media,
Speaker 1: and I think we got over emails from from folks,
Speaker 1: a lot of good stuff. That means, asked the Eagle,
Speaker 1: has plenty of material to continue in the future. So
Speaker 1: if we don't call you in the next hour, if
Speaker 1: you're out there and we haven't called you yet, we
Speaker 1: might we might be coming for you to get ready.
Speaker 1: But we have four excellent questions and callers and we're
Speaker 1: gonna try to as we do. And they asked the Eagle,
Speaker 1: reverse engineer the call in show where we call the
Speaker 1: callers instead of them calling us. So let's try the
Speaker 1: first one here. Hello this tray, Hey Tray, Beno, Brian
Speaker 1: jannistel Us. How's it going? Man? Hey, what's up? Guys?
Speaker 1: So you're in Ohio? Right, is that right? Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: I am in Ohio and you have a particular issue.
Speaker 1: I like this quiet, I like what you wrote it,
Speaker 1: I like what you emailed in because I feel like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of a lot we can do with
Speaker 1: this um. But say hi to you, honest the Eagle
Speaker 1: patel Us what's up, Tray? Hey Johnny, how's it going? Man?
Speaker 1: What's what's your question? Trey has been said. I'm in Ohio.
Speaker 1: Um I in two douan a teen. Just a little
Speaker 1: brief background two domon eighteen moved from Ohio to Colorado
Speaker 1: to live and work, um and just get involved in
Speaker 1: that lift style. Back in Ohio. Now, UM, I have
Speaker 1: a job offer again to go to Colorado. How long
Speaker 1: did you make it in Colorado the first stint? Not
Speaker 1: two years? Huh? And then what just a better job
Speaker 1: brought you back to Ohio. Yeah, I'm a geologist, wanted
Speaker 1: to work in remediation, got the opportunity, Uh, jumped on it.
Speaker 1: So yeah back in Ohio. No. Um so yeah, I
Speaker 1: guess it's more of a request for advice than a
Speaker 1: formal question. But um, you know, I'm wondering whether it's
Speaker 1: it's worth the trade to uproot my life again. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, move out west, that trade being low across
Speaker 1: the living in the Midwest has versus somewhere like Colorado. Um,
Speaker 1: you know for the hunting opportunities and lifestyle that the
Speaker 1: West provides. This is a deep one like this one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough because I did it and I love it.
Speaker 1: But Denver, Man, Denver is a tough Like if you
Speaker 1: said you got a spot up in the mountains, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, go for it. But Denver. Did you you
Speaker 1: lived in Denver when you when you were there? Yes, sir,
Speaker 1: that's the tough part. I was in Golden And the
Speaker 1: cost of living it's just it's just there. If you'd
Speaker 1: like to, like the breweries and there's like Mount Evans
Speaker 1: is right, there's a lot of good stuff right in there,
Speaker 1: but just the amount of people, a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know how big of a town you
Speaker 1: live in in Ohio, but man Denver is like a
Speaker 1: big place, a lot of traffic. Not for me. Yeah
Speaker 1: you should. Where in Ohio are you? Um, don't have
Speaker 1: to guess your address, but like where are you and
Speaker 1: what's it like there? So I live outside of Columbus
Speaker 1: right now. Um, but I grew up on a farm
Speaker 1: in southern Ohio. So you know we have a big
Speaker 1: five acre farm that I can hunt on there. Um.
Speaker 1: You know I live close to the airport here. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of things I'm tossing around in my head,
Speaker 1: um about you know, if I do have that lower
Speaker 1: cost of living here, it's a lot easier. I have
Speaker 1: a lot more resources to put towards hunting. Are you
Speaker 1: well off enough? I imagine you are as a geologist
Speaker 1: that yeah, that's like being a picture in the major leagues.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that that that you can afford like an
Speaker 1: annual or maybe even a bi annual trip out west
Speaker 1: to uh enjoy some hunting. Yes, they're actually in fact,
Speaker 1: Um I got to do a decent hunt this past year. Um,
Speaker 1: so it's something I'm you know, hoping bi annual. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean even those of us that live here. It's
Speaker 1: like Ben Well, Ben had COVID issues this year, so
Speaker 1: he couldn't. I didn't get as much honey as he
Speaker 1: wanted to. We obviously, because of our jobs, we get
Speaker 1: to hunt more than the average. But I bet the
Speaker 1: average guy that lives in Montana he still only hunts
Speaker 1: out here a solid fourteen days, you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: sure he maybe get some more weekends thrown in whatever.
Speaker 1: But like, if you can pull off like a solid
Speaker 1: archery helk hunt in September and then maybe whatever, come
Speaker 1: out for a ski vacation or come out to do
Speaker 1: some beaver trap and whatever, flo it's your boat. Um,
Speaker 1: it just depends on how much you need of it
Speaker 1: every year, you know, because the two weeks of Western
Speaker 1: Rocky Mountain fun and my dad, that might be all
Speaker 1: you need. Pretty good. I do. I do like that,
Speaker 1: And I've always had that in my own head too.
Speaker 1: That's why I like this question maybe so much because
Speaker 1: it's helping me out too, because you can have, like
Speaker 1: you could have a nice little cabin out here. You
Speaker 1: save up, you know, get a little cabin middle of
Speaker 1: nowhere with some national you on an acre with some
Speaker 1: national forest nearby. Have that been a little homestead or
Speaker 1: just get a camper whatever, um, and spend like the
Speaker 1: time in the West where when you need to be here,
Speaker 1: you know, middle of September and early November or whatever,
Speaker 1: when when you're not chasing white tails. And I'll go
Speaker 1: back to the Denver thing again. It's like when you're
Speaker 1: if you're living like I lived up in Eagle County
Speaker 1: when I lived in Colorado, and there it was literally
Speaker 1: out my back door. So when you have the free time,
Speaker 1: be like, ma'am, you're in it. You know you're loving it.
Speaker 1: But Denver, I mean, sure there's foothills and this, that
Speaker 1: and the other, but it's just not the same experience
Speaker 1: for me personally. Um, you know, you haven't put in
Speaker 1: an hour maybe two three to get into the mountains
Speaker 1: and get away from people. Um. Yeah, my brother lives
Speaker 1: in Westerville. Is that near you? That's that's ten minutes away. Wow,
Speaker 1: maybe you know him. Um, but yeah, it's a cool
Speaker 1: like he Yeah, he enjoys living there. And there's big Bucks,
Speaker 1: you know, bos, big old Bucks. Yeah. Man, right, and
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's not Tonock, Ohio. And the hunting
Speaker 1: in the East coast, you know, it's it's something I
Speaker 1: would do even if I lived in the west. Um.
Speaker 1: But I like the idea of a camper. That's something
Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about. You know, that's a good idea.
Speaker 1: And like, like you said, Denver is just that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And even the hunting is is crazy. You know, there's
Speaker 1: tons of people out when you go, so they are
Speaker 1: I think CPW is working on that. We hunted there
Speaker 1: in a unit that had been very, very crowded years past.
Speaker 1: And then uh they they made the archery licenses. Um,
Speaker 1: I just went away from being over the counter to
Speaker 1: a to a limited amount. It was still a lot
Speaker 1: of licenses but they basically made people choose, like where
Speaker 1: are you gonna hunt? You know, here, hunt there? And
Speaker 1: that really really helped, Like we didn't see a tenth
Speaker 1: of the pressure that we had seen years passed. So
Speaker 1: I think the CPWS working on, you know, spreading out
Speaker 1: that hunting pressure that people have been complaining about there
Speaker 1: for the last few years. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I hope that helps. That's my take on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not a bad choice if you had to pick
Speaker 1: one or the other. Denver's got some good It's got
Speaker 1: some redeeming qualities. Red Rocks is cool, you know, lots
Speaker 1: of Golden has a cool little downtown. I've been hung
Speaker 1: out there a little bit, but only as a tourist.
Speaker 1: I've never tried to like, uh, get around the commute
Speaker 1: times place like that. So yeah, I'd had to choose
Speaker 1: Denver just because I have family there if I was
Speaker 1: really pressed. But if I didn't have family, but I
Speaker 1: think I'd go with the you're married but no kids, right,
Speaker 1: you said, yes, they are married, no kids. That played
Speaker 1: a part in moving back from Denver two. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to be close to our family. I'm having
Speaker 1: kids here, hopefully within the next year or two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, you know, don't be in
Speaker 1: a rush, take your time. But yeah, I also I
Speaker 1: feel like if you're in Denver and you were a
Speaker 1: single man, you'd be you'd have the prospects, but being married,
Speaker 1: didn't want to start a family. Small town life ain't
Speaker 1: bad for that. So um, well, hopefully we helped you
Speaker 1: at least. Uh. I wish we had a camper sponsor
Speaker 1: because we might have sold a camper. But beyond that,
Speaker 1: any other anything we missed here, anything we can do better? No, man,
Speaker 1: nothing you missed. Uh. You know, I really appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's a sort of an impossible question,
Speaker 1: but I really appreciate the advice. Now it's a it's
Speaker 1: a fun one to end. Either way you'll be you'll
Speaker 1: still be hunting, so there's no uh no downside there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: email us when you have a decision so we can
Speaker 1: follow up. Let everybody which way you decided to go. Please,
Speaker 1: I will thank you guys so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: All right, Trey, thanks for averything. Man, talk soon, but
Speaker 1: thank you. Take care all right, Well, we may have
Speaker 1: changed the life, Johnnie, do you feel kind of like
Speaker 1: Oprah is right now. Oh man, I'm not familiar with
Speaker 1: Oprah enough to know if I'm feeling Opra is you
Speaker 1: don't you gave something to somebody? Yeah, I hope, I
Speaker 1: hope that it, you know, helped his decision making a
Speaker 1: little bit. Have you been watching the back Ford you have?
Speaker 1: You got it? You've been busy. Have you watched it? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Did you see the episode where we replayed your sprits
Speaker 1: NG reaction? No? You replayed that? Yeah? Episode three? They
Speaker 1: were we had Tony Peterson on with Mark Kenyon and
Speaker 1: they were talking about how they were white tailed nerds
Speaker 1: and like they were relating to each other via oh
Speaker 1: you're a nerhenomin nerd is great? And Mark brought up
Speaker 1: that you know, you and Steve don't really understand the
Speaker 1: white tail nerd um like those two gentlemen do. And
Speaker 1: then we've replayed you last I think I understand it
Speaker 1: very well, partaking it, And so we replayed the bit
Speaker 1: about you laughing hysterically. When I think hysterically, it's a
Speaker 1: good that's a good description. No, that was a very
Speaker 1: genuine laugh. When I saw him spray the camera down,
Speaker 1: he touched the camera, So what happened was you guys
Speaker 1: were checking cameras while you're scorel hunting, and so he
Speaker 1: touched the camera and then removed. How did he even
Speaker 1: have a sent away spray? Did he have it like
Speaker 1: in his vest? No? But you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: send him an f HF bear spray hole, sir. So
Speaker 1: it's always on his belt. He always has it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't. I never thought about where did
Speaker 1: he keep it he's out hunting. Did he have a
Speaker 1: little I think he had a backpack and he had
Speaker 1: back cards and whatever else? Whatever else? He has flash cards?
Speaker 1: Uh U No, No, it's camera cards. Its camera cards.
Speaker 1: I thought maybe hed like big Buck flash cards. Uh
Speaker 1: so you laughed, Steve laughed, We all laughed. Everybody laughed. Um.
Speaker 1: And now we've got a couple of emails from people
Speaker 1: that saw that. We have three different emails from people
Speaker 1: who saw that. And I wanted to know what was
Speaker 1: going on. So we're gonna call joan named Mark. Let's
Speaker 1: see what he had to say. We've kind of already
Speaker 1: addressed this question, but we're gonna we're gonna dive deep
Speaker 1: into it here with Mark Hey, Mark, Mark, ben O, Brian,
Speaker 1: You hospitelis how's it going? What's up? Mark? Good? I
Speaker 1: got doing? Just living the dream man? What are you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: Just excited to be talking to y'all? Really all right, Well,
Speaker 1: we we're here answering questions and Yanti's changing lives um
Speaker 1: as always as always is getting it in. Um. We know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we already kind of broached the topic of the Back forty.
Speaker 1: So just assuming that you've been watching the old Back
Speaker 1: forty yes, I have been for sure, okay, And you
Speaker 1: saw a scene there where Yanni was laughing at Mark,
Speaker 1: uh so yeah, take it from there, all right? Um so,
Speaker 1: and I think it was episode three of the Back
Speaker 1: forty Uh, Yanni and Mark and Steve we're out hunting
Speaker 1: squirrels and scouting out the land and Mark decided to
Speaker 1: take it upon himself to use that time to grab
Speaker 1: some trail cam cards. Um. And while he was buttoning
Speaker 1: up one of the cameras, uh, he went in head
Speaker 1: and sprayed the camera down with scent cover, to which
Speaker 1: Yanni's reaction, which is classic um um responding to to
Speaker 1: that to that scene. Now, I think I don't know
Speaker 1: Mark as well as y'all do. Obviously he probably has
Speaker 1: some O C D tendencies, um from what from what
Speaker 1: we can tell, but this obviously, this, this obviously broaches
Speaker 1: a subject that in my mind where um Janice, you
Speaker 1: certainly viewed that as a line and a visible line
Speaker 1: that was crossed and that mark maybe over did overplayed
Speaker 1: his hand there, and so it made me start thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so maybe there is some thresholds that you can use
Speaker 1: when you do you should or should not be using
Speaker 1: the scent cover. And what are those thresholds um for
Speaker 1: you know, practical and impractical uses. And yeah, that that
Speaker 1: scene is just a lot of a lot of what
Speaker 1: you do and say. Makes me laugh at that one
Speaker 1: when I first saw it made me about fall out
Speaker 1: my chair when I watched it. So uh well, I
Speaker 1: think more than anything, he just caught me off guard.
Speaker 1: And it might even been the sound because it wasn't
Speaker 1: like a sprit sound. It was like a like it
Speaker 1: was air sold spray that that that he had in
Speaker 1: there and caught me off guard, you know in that moment,
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, we're out there squirrel hunting
Speaker 1: three dudes plus two camera operators. So we're throwing laying
Speaker 1: down some megacent and we're all standing right next to
Speaker 1: this camera and then to all of a sudden for
Speaker 1: him to like go next level because he didn't want,
Speaker 1: you know, and I understand why he wants to do
Speaker 1: it right, He like doesn't want that camera to smell
Speaker 1: like a human. And Um, Mark and I we actually
Speaker 1: did at Wired to Hunt podcast couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: and I was telling about how I had a dough
Speaker 1: that I know didn't catch my wind because I was
Speaker 1: so high in a tree. I was on a ridge
Speaker 1: and it was my wind was blowing, my scent was
Speaker 1: blowing off this ridge. Yet when she got to the
Speaker 1: base of that tree, she smelled something, and I think
Speaker 1: it was my climbing stick, you know. So maybe I
Speaker 1: should have taken, you know, mark slow approach there, and
Speaker 1: when I put up that first climbing stick, you know,
Speaker 1: spray it down and maybe it would have allowed her
Speaker 1: to at least passed by instead of spooking and going
Speaker 1: back the way that she came from, which may or
Speaker 1: may not have affected my hunt later. Um, but look, man,
Speaker 1: I'm no, I'm no Joe whitetail. Mark is. So he's
Speaker 1: got to answer the question about like the thresholds of
Speaker 1: you know, how far you can take it. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll speak a little bit from Mark, because
Speaker 1: I've heard him say it a lot, you know, to him,
Speaker 1: if he does it all and it happens to help
Speaker 1: just a tenth of a percent and it buys him
Speaker 1: a half a second or a second in the moment,
Speaker 1: he will do it, and he will gladly take it. Um.
Speaker 1: And he also tells me which this is. This This
Speaker 1: kind of hits home more than anything else. He's like, look,
Speaker 1: the guys that I know there are successful every year
Speaker 1: to kill him, mature bucks. All of them take their
Speaker 1: scent control very seriously. So um, and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: one day I'll get there. I hunted, you know, the
Speaker 1: white tail rut this year for seven days, and uh
Speaker 1: we bought some scent away spray. I think I quit
Speaker 1: spraying it about day three, but I know we kept
Speaker 1: our boots outside, all of our exterior hunting garments were
Speaker 1: kept outside. H you know, I was trying to minimize.
Speaker 1: But again, we're hunting always with two people, and I
Speaker 1: just feel like I can spend more time thinking about
Speaker 1: my setup and to what the wind is going to
Speaker 1: be doing, and just spend more time. I got a
Speaker 1: lot more to like dial in before I feel like
Speaker 1: the scent thing is going to really really help me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's two things here. One I think this is if
Speaker 1: you're a single species hunter like Mark seems to want
Speaker 1: to be, or is he is, you have time to
Speaker 1: like dive into the minutia because that's all you think about.
Speaker 1: But if you're like the rest of us who like
Speaker 1: to get out and hit a squirrel up every now
Speaker 1: and then, like like a nice waterfowl hunt, like the
Speaker 1: hunt maybe a mule Martin don't even know there's another
Speaker 1: deer in our country. They look the same they you know,
Speaker 1: they they're from the same stock. Um. So there's that part,
Speaker 1: like he has the time because that's always thinking about
Speaker 1: I don't have, Like your mind has to be awash
Speaker 1: with other things when you're trying to move around and
Speaker 1: do different have different pursuits. But also that's a rabbit hole, man.
Speaker 1: Once you once you allow yourself to obsess over every
Speaker 1: minutia as a part of strategy to kill deer, you
Speaker 1: can obsess over any little thing, and like you just said,
Speaker 1: get yourself off track, get yourself thinking about sprits and
Speaker 1: things and doing things that are helping a little and
Speaker 1: you're not thinking enough about the things that are helping
Speaker 1: a lot. And so I don't think Mark does that.
Speaker 1: But I think if if if you're just a normal
Speaker 1: hunter out there and you want to obsess over something,
Speaker 1: there there's some pitfalls. Is this helping Mark? Is this
Speaker 1: helping Mark? Yeah? No, that was great. I was just
Speaker 1: really helps getting your thought process behind that scene what
Speaker 1: was going on. But yeah, and they're getting the details. No,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Thank you. I'll cap it off
Speaker 1: with this too. Making content and making entertainment. Uh, some
Speaker 1: friction can oftentimes be good and uh and and it
Speaker 1: it goes a long way and uh, you know, people
Speaker 1: love hearing Steve and I, uh, you know, get after
Speaker 1: each other or whatever have you know, a little discuss,
Speaker 1: a little discussions where we might not think the same way.
Speaker 1: And um, because if if you don't do that, then
Speaker 1: it just it ends up having a very monotone feel
Speaker 1: and everybody's just going agreeing with each other and it's
Speaker 1: not much fun, right, And not not only friction, but
Speaker 1: I mean I've been in another episode, I was really
Speaker 1: kind of rooting for you to kind of get one
Speaker 1: of the first deer out of the back forty and
Speaker 1: just seeing your reaction to Mark and being excited for
Speaker 1: him was really kind of a cool moment because I
Speaker 1: know you wanted to get a deer as much as
Speaker 1: Mark did, but when he ended up getting it and
Speaker 1: you're recognizing how much hard work you put into that
Speaker 1: entire project, it was just really kind of a cool
Speaker 1: thing that, you know, an opposite from the friction side
Speaker 1: of it, but really really speak to the community very well,
Speaker 1: and I think what you are trying to promote, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean to the to the point where you know
Speaker 1: we're gonna rib each other, and I'm I certainly I
Speaker 1: am the one who ribs Mark Kenyan more than anyone
Speaker 1: on the earth. I always say he's as a tall
Speaker 1: man's body and a small man and a short man's face. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he accepts. He doesn't get mad at me for said,
Speaker 1: do you take that, Johnnie. He's very He's like sneakily
Speaker 1: tall when he walks into the room. Yeah, he's six
Speaker 1: what two two or three? I mean, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: just maybe short, but when he walks. When I first
Speaker 1: saw him on YouTube, I thought, well, he must be
Speaker 1: a short guy. When he walked in the room, he
Speaker 1: was six three, and I just think he has a
Speaker 1: short look to him. His face looks short, like he
Speaker 1: would be a short man. So I give him all
Speaker 1: kinds of crap all the time, but he knows, And
Speaker 1: Yannie and Steve know that ultimately that you know, what
Speaker 1: we're doing is supporting each other. You know, through you
Speaker 1: wouldn't let anybody but your friend or someone you know
Speaker 1: loves you and support ship. You talk to you like that,
Speaker 1: treat you like you know, So it's not that understanding
Speaker 1: that helps it go. Well, Mark, thank you for watching
Speaker 1: all this stuff and hanging out with us. Thanks for
Speaker 1: asking questions. And this is one of my favorite scenes. Uh.
Speaker 1: And we did, I mean we wrote that episode. We
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out what would make that episode good.
Speaker 1: With that squirrel hunt. We wanted to try to play
Speaker 1: out the fact that Mark just didn't understand why you
Speaker 1: would squirrel hunt in September. It was real, he didn't
Speaker 1: want to. We had to force him to do it.
Speaker 1: We had to force him to do it. So nothing
Speaker 1: nothing prescribed about that. So thanks Mark, we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Man and um have a good rest of you to
Speaker 1: good holiday, all right, y'all too, Thank you guys, Mark,
Speaker 1: But the fact for he's over. Man, it's it. I
Speaker 1: know it's a little sad, huh A little bit? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Is it public? Is everybody already know what the plan is? Well,
Speaker 1: what's this coming out? Yeah? Yeah, So by the time
Speaker 1: it comes up, people will know that we're donating the
Speaker 1: property to the National Deer Association formally the Quality Dear
Speaker 1: Management Association. That this is hard to get that had
Speaker 1: murdered Alliance now it was it was the National Deer Alliance.
Speaker 1: I see, I can't there's no way this National Disassociation.
Speaker 1: Because it was the Quality Dear Management Association and the
Speaker 1: National Deer Alliance, they merged to become the National Deer Association.
Speaker 1: See if you can get that straight, I think I
Speaker 1: just got it right. Um, we are donating that property,
Speaker 1: the sixty four acres and all the coutrement to the
Speaker 1: q d M A slash n d A UM and
Speaker 1: so we're real excited about it. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: content we're gonna make their UM. And it was good, man,
Speaker 1: it's a good two years in back forty it's good.
Speaker 1: It was good to kind of have a place where
Speaker 1: we had to tell we were locked in. You know,
Speaker 1: because the shows that you've done with Steve and that
Speaker 1: you're doing Mediator Hunts, you can go, you can travel
Speaker 1: with different dynamics, you know, different people, different characters come
Speaker 1: in with the back Ford. It was like, you have
Speaker 1: this land and and whatever Mark can do with it,
Speaker 1: and that was that was challenging, but in the end
Speaker 1: it was cool to kind of track it all through
Speaker 1: a couple of years. Yeah, there's pros to it too, Yeah, absolutely, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know what you got every time. Yeah, and the
Speaker 1: plus you have history with everything and history that you've
Speaker 1: all recorded throughout that time. And we ended up kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to do it longer, but felt like there
Speaker 1: are a whole lot of other cool things we could do.
Speaker 1: All right, so we're calling. We're calling Chats here. It's
Speaker 1: Chaz Captain Chase by the bye. Hell, Hey, is this
Speaker 1: Chats or Chase? How do you say? C H A S.
Speaker 1: I can never pronounce anybody's names. Yeah, see that, I
Speaker 1: got it. Chatz, this has been and Brian and the
Speaker 1: honest tell us what's going on? Man? Hey, then what's
Speaker 1: going on? You know what's going on? Thanks for having
Speaker 1: me on. Yeah, no problem. We we just noticed that
Speaker 1: this as captain in front of your name. What kind
Speaker 1: of captain with that? Oh, ca, Yeah, so I'm a
Speaker 1: former U U S. Marine Corps captain. I flew at
Speaker 1: eight teams in the Marine Corps. I just got out
Speaker 1: of the air or Marines and I'm in the International
Speaker 1: art now still as a captain. Now I apply of
Speaker 1: sixteen And you had offered to in your email be
Speaker 1: the privately if we ever got like a media to
Speaker 1: private jet, that you would be the pilot. Is that right?
Speaker 1: Oh man? Talk talk about dream opportunity, dream experience, dream job. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if that ever happens, I'm your guy. Please don't lose
Speaker 1: my number. If anybody for the churning groups listening, so
Speaker 1: hold on. Is that you're just general plan that after
Speaker 1: you're done doing all this service that you'll then just
Speaker 1: beat you'll become a pilot in in the private space. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so in general, And what moost guys do is uh
Speaker 1: when when they get out of active duty and active
Speaker 1: service and they have uh um a required number of
Speaker 1: hours built up flying the military aircraft, you'll then get
Speaker 1: out and be eligible or competitive to apply for major airlines.
Speaker 1: You know, all your all your major carriers for your
Speaker 1: airlines or private pilots, what have you. Uh, So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm doing now. So in the National Guard, I
Speaker 1: cannot be opera tue to be a part time military
Speaker 1: pilot and still fly for the airline as well. Because
Speaker 1: of what's going on now, I don't have you know
Speaker 1: that many places aren't accepting any applications at this time,
Speaker 1: just do to do to you know, be obvious, Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, pandemic and so forth. So guys like me
Speaker 1: are having a hard time getting those kinds of jobs.
Speaker 1: Luckily we have the military as a backup. But it's
Speaker 1: just just scarce jobs in the pilot industry in general.
Speaker 1: Because does anybody ever say the hell with commercial and
Speaker 1: just move up to Alaska and run a bush plane
Speaker 1: for a few years. You know, I don't know personally
Speaker 1: anybody who's done that, but it's looking like it's looking
Speaker 1: more and more appealing. Yeah. Yeah, as a guy that
Speaker 1: flies around some super badass planes really really fast that
Speaker 1: do amazing things. When you look when you know a guy,
Speaker 1: or you look at the whole like bush pilot scene,
Speaker 1: what's your take on that like, because because for a
Speaker 1: lot of people, like a bush pie, it's kind of
Speaker 1: like very very cool to me? Is the ultimate bushpot
Speaker 1: always does an F sixteen pilot also look at a
Speaker 1: bush pilot someone cool or or what like what's your take,
Speaker 1: like a garbage truck driver? Like, yeah, a good question.
Speaker 1: I never really thought about it, like in detail, like, Hey,
Speaker 1: what is the what is the ranking level or like
Speaker 1: level of coolness that you are as a pilot. I
Speaker 1: mean if I feel like if you're not, if you're
Speaker 1: not a fighter pilot, a bush pilot's the next coolest
Speaker 1: thing on the list, or it might even be cooler.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but I don't know if anybody personal
Speaker 1: who's done the job. Uh, the very few guys I've
Speaker 1: met who have done that stuff when we do, we've
Speaker 1: taken because we've taken the fighters up to Alaska. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of range space up in Alaska Fairbanks that
Speaker 1: we've used. So that's the only time I've ever been
Speaker 1: to Alaska is doing that stuff. But we we get
Speaker 1: to hang out with those guys sometimes because they're they're
Speaker 1: all over the place. Uh, and they're I mean they're
Speaker 1: your blue collar you know, um, your heroes of the sky.
Speaker 1: So I mean they're very cool dudes. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: It's good to hear because I I've I've really have
Speaker 1: a lot of heroes that are like mustachioed, flannel wearing
Speaker 1: bush pilots, A lot of them, A lot of them
Speaker 1: like the guy, the guy who found Timothy Treadwell. I
Speaker 1: can't remember his name. He's cool. Met him one time. UM,
Speaker 1: A lot a lot of skills, at least when I
Speaker 1: when I when I look at it, you know, the
Speaker 1: places we've been dropped off and picked up from. UM,
Speaker 1: I'm always very impressed with what they're doing with those
Speaker 1: little planes. Oh yeah, I was in Northwest Territories one
Speaker 1: time and the floatplane pilot was the you know, He's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we go back and forth and we do this,
Speaker 1: We run this route, you know, three or four times
Speaker 1: a day, and we do that six six months out
Speaker 1: of the year. I thought, the level the danger of
Speaker 1: that that person goes through in a daily basis is unbelievable,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure is the same for a fighter pilot
Speaker 1: or were much worse. Those bush pilots are fearless. They
Speaker 1: have to be. I feel like, yeah, is there a
Speaker 1: level of fear and what you do? I my brother
Speaker 1: in law runs runs fighter jets but he seems like
Speaker 1: a pretty just level headed dute. He never really talks
Speaker 1: about the feeling of getting up in the air like that,
Speaker 1: you know, if I'm sure everybody would tell you something
Speaker 1: different how they talk about it. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: you think about it, if you're every time you go up,
Speaker 1: you're not just we're not just flying someplace, you know,
Speaker 1: point A to point B. We're not just flying the airplane.
Speaker 1: We're doing you know, mission sets, running systems in the airplane,
Speaker 1: running weapons systems, And there's an objective every time you
Speaker 1: go up. So maybe if you actually sat back and
Speaker 1: thought about the big picture of what you're actually doing,
Speaker 1: maybe it was scary a little bit more. But you're
Speaker 1: always so busy doing something that maybe you don't have
Speaker 1: time to be frightened by at all. But I mean, um, usually,
Speaker 1: you know, you're so well prepared to go out to
Speaker 1: do those things, and and and you prepare long before
Speaker 1: and your brief and and you think about it and
Speaker 1: you and your practice, so when you go do it,
Speaker 1: you're not really thinking about being scared. Maybe later you
Speaker 1: look back and go, hell man, maybe I should have
Speaker 1: been scared here, but not in the moment. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean similar podcasting. Yeah, that was awesome, man,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We're calling him and tell us
Speaker 1: all and uh, what's so it's open we can go
Speaker 1: down rabbit holes here. No, we're gonna let We're gonna
Speaker 1: let the chas on to ask this question. Now. I
Speaker 1: grew up in Maryland, not too far from Pennsylvania. Where
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania are you, Jess? I'm from from near Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: so a little town called Late Trobe. You guys might
Speaker 1: know it for rolling rock beer and Arnold Palmer Palmer
Speaker 1: the beverage or the guy are both? Uh, the Arnold
Speaker 1: Palmer the guy. Okay, I'm glad I now know how
Speaker 1: to pronounce that Trobe Trope. I've driven through there a
Speaker 1: few times, but never it never been How did you
Speaker 1: say chats? You didn't say La Trobe. You said La Trobe.
Speaker 1: So people who and I get this almost every time,
Speaker 1: people who are from there typically say la Trobe. If
Speaker 1: you're not from there, you say Latrobe. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's correct one way or the other, but
Speaker 1: that's if someone's from there, they say at one, yeah,
Speaker 1: you pick up your oh's the way that that folks
Speaker 1: from where I come from do Ohs you know, Orio
Speaker 1: Natty bo. That's that's how we that's the that's the
Speaker 1: uh the classic East Coaster all man. Yep, yep. Someone
Speaker 1: call it a Pittsburgh accent. Yep. It's like it's Baltimore, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: It's like that region. Coincidentally, I bought a thirty rack
Speaker 1: of the rolling Rocks for our most recent uh elk
Speaker 1: hunting trip out to eastern Montana, and uh yeah, well
Speaker 1: they weren't big hit. Two different people cracked one and
Speaker 1: it must have been a long time since they had
Speaker 1: a rolling rock, and they went, is this stuff okay?
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I mean, I'm like, yeah, you mean
Speaker 1: the skunkiness, Like it's supposed to have like a little
Speaker 1: bit of like not quite Heineken, but it's got like
Speaker 1: a little micro skunk to it, and uh yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's anyways, more than half that gate rack is still
Speaker 1: at my house, Jaz, have you ever coming to Montana,
Speaker 1: It'll probably still be there. Oh no, no, no, I'll
Speaker 1: make sure finds a home. All Right, we gotta get
Speaker 1: to the actual questions here. We digress, but that's podcasting.
Speaker 1: Um you had a good question, Chazz Fireaway okay, so, um,
Speaker 1: so I've Pennsylvania whitetail hunting. My dad and I we
Speaker 1: have a camp in northern Pennsylvania that we go up
Speaker 1: to and we we go down to the same spot
Speaker 1: almost every year. We walk from the road down into
Speaker 1: the woods maybe like a mile uh down to sit
Speaker 1: near near a river, the Clarion River to be specific.
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not that far in. It takes
Speaker 1: us about an hour walk down, fully loaded with all
Speaker 1: our stuff. The terrain is not terrible, but it's it's um,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not an easy, super easy walk in.
Speaker 1: It's not like what you guys do up in the
Speaker 1: mountains and everything else. I mean, you can't even compare it.
Speaker 1: But every time we shoot a deer, uh we we
Speaker 1: we got it out and we dragged the hang out
Speaker 1: and it takes us, you know, almost the whole afternoon
Speaker 1: to do so, especially because my my dad's you know,
Speaker 1: seventy two years old. So I do all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: So when we both shoot one, which happened this past year,
Speaker 1: I do all of that, which which I'm happy to do.
Speaker 1: But uh, I've never skinned and quartered the animal in
Speaker 1: the woods to try and pack it. Out. I'm wondering
Speaker 1: should I just be doing that and make my job
Speaker 1: slightly easier carried on my back rather than try and
Speaker 1: drag it through the woods. So if you were me,
Speaker 1: would you skin it, quarter it, pack it out or
Speaker 1: would you drag it and take and then hang it
Speaker 1: back at your hunting camp to drain and everything before
Speaker 1: you skin it and cord it? What do you think?
Speaker 1: This is my childhood? So but I'm gonna let I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let u Yanni take take the first crack. Um. Yes,
Speaker 1: you should get and you should start skinning and corning.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, listen, I think is a place for
Speaker 1: dragging beer. And if it's mostly downhill or flat and
Speaker 1: it's not far, but what Chase just described it sounds
Speaker 1: like it's uphill a mile approximately. Man. Back in the
Speaker 1: day Nebraska, you couldn't actually quote room. You had to
Speaker 1: check them in a hole. And so I a couple
Speaker 1: of times had drags that had to go up and
Speaker 1: down a ridge and then back up to the road
Speaker 1: or something like that. And the same thing. You're just like,
Speaker 1: you can't train for that. I mean, it's just like
Speaker 1: the workout of all workouts. You just gotta strip down
Speaker 1: to your the bass layer, have like special gloves because
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like, you know, holding that rack and
Speaker 1: a hundred different positions by the time it's all over.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have like your rope system exactly
Speaker 1: dialed in, like, man, it is just so much work.
Speaker 1: And the way I look at it, too, is that like,
Speaker 1: as long as you're gonna keep it on the bone,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're really sacrificing too much by doing
Speaker 1: it in the field then waiting, you know, lend it
Speaker 1: hanging for two or three four days, and then skinning
Speaker 1: and then a quartering. Sure you're gonna get a little
Speaker 1: bit of dry crusted on the outside that you're gonna
Speaker 1: you know, cut off and lose that meat. But I
Speaker 1: look at it like you're you're you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: do that work at some point anyways, Like you got
Speaker 1: your deer, get it done, you know, and if you
Speaker 1: do it right and take your time, you do it
Speaker 1: nice and clean. U'm sure you gotta pack some game bags, um,
Speaker 1: but I mean, heck, a white tailed deer can fit
Speaker 1: in just about a single game bag, um, maybe two,
Speaker 1: so you're not really packing that much extra with you um, so, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a hun percent with you, and I'd like to
Speaker 1: just add to the counterpoint before ben um goes here,
Speaker 1: that Spencer new Hearth, one of our local white tail
Speaker 1: experts here, a meat eater. He I told him he's
Speaker 1: got to give the white tails a break, because I
Speaker 1: think he's killed like four or five with shure box
Speaker 1: this year. I'm like, don't you want to broaden your
Speaker 1: horizon a little bit? You know? Yeah, he did a
Speaker 1: really nice one, probably drug it to the truck. He
Speaker 1: probably did. Yeah, he had it. But he had a
Speaker 1: post recently where he killed one somewhere and he decided
Speaker 1: to quarter and pack it out on his back. And
Speaker 1: I believe the post says something along the lines of
Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, but like, I will be doing this a
Speaker 1: lot more. I can't believe I haven't been doing this,
Speaker 1: like it's the way to go. And I see a lot.
Speaker 1: I watched a lot of deer hunting YouTube videos this
Speaker 1: summer in preparation because I was gonna go hunt white
Speaker 1: tails very seriously for the first time in a long time,
Speaker 1: so just to get fired up and see, you know,
Speaker 1: see tips and tricks. And I saw a lot of
Speaker 1: videos where guys were in one mile maybe two miles,
Speaker 1: and they're leaving the deer to go get a cart
Speaker 1: or go get like a bunch of dudes to help
Speaker 1: him drag this deer. M man. If I was there,
Speaker 1: I would have had that thing quartered into the truck
Speaker 1: before your first got there to help you. Like, what's
Speaker 1: the point? Well, you know, listen, I agree. I agree
Speaker 1: with jazz. You can give me some tradition bullshit. Yes,
Speaker 1: here's what, here's here's and I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people in Pennsylvania, Maryland where I came from, you go
Speaker 1: through this this progression when I was, when I was
Speaker 1: a youngster. Yeah, just just to stick with me here.
Speaker 1: When I was a young man, we started hunting. I
Speaker 1: believe the progression was we were in the beginning. We
Speaker 1: would drag the deer out by its antlers. One guy
Speaker 1: takes one side, one guy takes the other side. You
Speaker 1: generally would want to grab it down towards the base
Speaker 1: between the brow sign and where the main beam goes.
Speaker 1: What would you do if it was a doll by
Speaker 1: the legs, Then you grab by the legs. It's a
Speaker 1: little harder the legs front legs, each um and so
Speaker 1: you start that way, and we had a couple of
Speaker 1: instances where we literally dragged the deer so far all
Speaker 1: the hair was gone on once. Have you ever had
Speaker 1: that chats where you dragged it so far that all
Speaker 1: the hair was gone on one side? Yeah, yeah, everybody's
Speaker 1: we've all been there except for Johnny. Well, yeah, because
Speaker 1: where I grew up, it was I guess we're always
Speaker 1: just hunting oaks, and it just seems like you're always
Speaker 1: dragging them through six inches of oak leaves and those
Speaker 1: things slide very well. Yeah, we would be dragging deer
Speaker 1: through creeks, up and down hills, over ridges, through you know,
Speaker 1: through meadows. It's just the longer you do it, the
Speaker 1: more you're just gonna end up with like just hide
Speaker 1: on one side, and that's not great. You don't feel
Speaker 1: great about what you've done to the meat or the
Speaker 1: deer when you're hanging up and one side is mangled
Speaker 1: like that, you don't you don't feel like that. So
Speaker 1: that's how we started, because I'm gonna get to the
Speaker 1: end goal of the traditional part here. But and then
Speaker 1: we progressed to the drag rope and and Chads will
Speaker 1: probably know this too, that there's a rope that has
Speaker 1: an orange harness on it, right, I haven't a couple.
Speaker 1: You put the harness over your shoulders and then tie
Speaker 1: that too, so you can either have one dude with
Speaker 1: eat one loop each on a shoulder, or one guy
Speaker 1: with two loops on his shoulders. And then he dragged
Speaker 1: the deer out that a way. It's much easier. It's
Speaker 1: like it's it's a bit more of a compatible physical
Speaker 1: movement because you're not just dragging something. You're just running
Speaker 1: forward and the things behind you. And then you get
Speaker 1: to a log and you're like, son of a bitch,
Speaker 1: you're any kind of impediment. So that we went to
Speaker 1: that next, and then we got smart and we got
Speaker 1: a cart. Now you mentioned the going we would when
Speaker 1: we hunted, like deep in public land for white tails.
Speaker 1: We would take the cart in with us, put all
Speaker 1: our gear and packs on the cart, drag the cart
Speaker 1: in across a creek with the cart stashed the cart,
Speaker 1: put some leaves, and should have whatever ever go up
Speaker 1: to our hunting spot, and then have a three yard
Speaker 1: walked down to get the cart. One the deer was dead,
Speaker 1: and that revolutionized getting the deer out of the woods.
Speaker 1: And this is you know, late nineties, early too thousands
Speaker 1: revolutionized the O'Brien family getting the deer out of the
Speaker 1: woods system. And so I think we stayed with the
Speaker 1: cart for a long time. But again, if you're not
Speaker 1: walking on a trail, a cart's not fun either. Now
Speaker 1: you got to get wheels up over a long instead
Speaker 1: of just flopping a deer over there. But at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the deer looks nice, pristine if
Speaker 1: it's you know, lashed to a cart instead of drink
Speaker 1: through through the timber. So that's where we got and
Speaker 1: then eventually, um, we never I don't think growing up
Speaker 1: we ever quartered a deer out that I can remember.
Speaker 1: We always got it to the truck and we had
Speaker 1: skinning parties in the garage in my house, and that
Speaker 1: was like the thing that I remember the most, hanging
Speaker 1: that deer up by the game rules and skinning it
Speaker 1: out and drinking beer when I was old enough. And
Speaker 1: so it's having a deer drinking natty bow. Stro's natty bows?
Speaker 1: What's the bow and natty bohemian? Is that right? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were just talking about that last episode, but is
Speaker 1: it natural bohemian? Yeah, that's what it is national bohemian,
Speaker 1: national bohemian. I can't believe if there's a beer out there,
Speaker 1: never natural. Yeah, I think it's natural bohemian bohemian. I've
Speaker 1: never heard of it. I've never heard of it. N
Speaker 1: you gotta get it, we gotta do, we'll do. I
Speaker 1: need to uns out of you need to be East
Speaker 1: coast to get it, I guess. So, yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 1: You got a boot like that to Montana, which I've done.
Speaker 1: I had a caggy yongling at my wedding. You did
Speaker 1: in North Carolina. They were getting off topic of game.
Speaker 1: But anyway, hanging up a deer and the gambles in
Speaker 1: the garage with a tarp and a bunch of buckets
Speaker 1: for people to sit on and one guy skinning and
Speaker 1: everybody talking ship and being like a party is so
Speaker 1: different than just described like my experience, my entire hunting
Speaker 1: experience that I just did like two weeks ago. I
Speaker 1: can send you pictures of this exact thing, please do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and there's buckets. You don't sit on chairs, You sit
Speaker 1: on buckets. Why because that's what's in the garage tar
Speaker 1: the garage blue tart was the tart blue? How well?
Speaker 1: How how far after you see, I didn't even never
Speaker 1: never met Chats in my life. I know everything about
Speaker 1: what he does over there. Yeah, I think tarp soldier
Speaker 1: blue guys. There's green tarps and gray one. Hey, but
Speaker 1: how far when you guys have a skinning party, what's
Speaker 1: the end result with the meat? Like, how far do
Speaker 1: you take the process? Oh, you go down, you go
Speaker 1: down to just the bones man, and you can also
Speaker 1: take you're pretty much butchering and wrapping your meat at
Speaker 1: that point. Yeah, but basically so you don't think you
Speaker 1: guys could just just sw just pivot just a little
Speaker 1: bit and kind of skip the skinning part on the
Speaker 1: gambrel and just have your table there and and slap
Speaker 1: down four quarters and start chopping. I'm gonna let Chazz
Speaker 1: answer this too, But I think it's like gathering around
Speaker 1: a fire. Right that deer hanging is like something to
Speaker 1: gather around. It would be like a pile of meat
Speaker 1: no longer has that. It would be like lighting flour
Speaker 1: candles or having one big camp fire, And I just
Speaker 1: like to gather around the campfire. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Chazz I would agree. I would agree, especially if you're
Speaker 1: coming from a from a hunting camp with a bunch
Speaker 1: of guys up there, who after the first day you
Speaker 1: can stand around, you know, admire, admire your your day's work,
Speaker 1: and drink some beers and hang out with the boys
Speaker 1: Like that's that's kind of a that's an experience in
Speaker 1: itself which is enjoyable and you kind of I guess
Speaker 1: youn't have that if you're just like, hey man, check
Speaker 1: out my cooler full of deer. But true, that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I have a micarage now at butchering table.
Speaker 1: Say it's an experience, Yeah, it really is. You're right.
Speaker 1: From a practical standpoint, You're right. Yeah, You're just gonna
Speaker 1: have to weigh how much you want to have that
Speaker 1: experience of that buck hanging there and everybody hanging around
Speaker 1: and admiring it. Because I will say, like a great
Speaker 1: memory of mine and a thing we still do every
Speaker 1: year in Wisconsin. The years that we do, you know,
Speaker 1: kill some deer, but there's a meat pole and it's
Speaker 1: like a great picture when you look back on it
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, remember seventeen we killed
Speaker 1: four bucks and eight does over the weekend, Like that
Speaker 1: was great. And there's the whole group of people standing
Speaker 1: in front of it. Everybody that attended that you know
Speaker 1: that year. Um. So yeah, there's there's something beautiful about
Speaker 1: a buck on a meat pole, um, or just a deer,
Speaker 1: you know, hanging off a meat pole. But you just
Speaker 1: have to decide. You have to weigh do do you
Speaker 1: want to go through that pain of dragging it uphill
Speaker 1: mile to get that uh, five or ten minutes hanging
Speaker 1: around ampiring it. Yeah, my house, we would be my dad.
Speaker 1: We would take I feel like we would often take
Speaker 1: the backstraps off first and they would go in and
Speaker 1: be like frying them up in the kitchen while the
Speaker 1: rest of the work was done. And by the time
Speaker 1: you were done, you had a nice like a little snack,
Speaker 1: a little thing. So I just have such fond I
Speaker 1: remember like hunting as a kid was more about that
Speaker 1: skinning party than it was about the It was a
Speaker 1: hunt itself. So hopefully it helps Jazz. I feel like,
Speaker 1: if you want to be practical, uh and pragmatic, then
Speaker 1: you go with Yanni. And if you want to you know,
Speaker 1: you be emotional and then and traditional and you go
Speaker 1: with with me. Does that that help? I'm at least
Speaker 1: trying to Janni's way once because making making multiple trips
Speaker 1: to to go get all to take off all your
Speaker 1: heavy clothes, to come back down to drag a deer out,
Speaker 1: another trip down to get another deer. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: doing it. I think I'm gonna try it the honest way.
Speaker 1: So uh and if it's if it's not sentimental enough
Speaker 1: for me, I'll go back to it. But I'm at
Speaker 1: least gonna try it. So thanks very much, thanks for
Speaker 1: the input. I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna change my ways.
Speaker 1: Send me a picture of a bunch of Jews on buckets,
Speaker 1: sitting sitting around a single quarter hanging from the raption.
Speaker 1: Maybe it works. We never know best both worlds all right,
Speaker 1: thanks Jazz, appreciate it, man, Thanks for the college has
Speaker 1: good guys, thanks for having me on much appreciate it. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: how's a good one. I like that one, Yannie. I
Speaker 1: feel like that we learned we all learned something about
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, for sure, for sure. So I I yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't even have the opportunity to pack it the
Speaker 1: yar out like that anymore, which is kind of sad
Speaker 1: for me. I was such a dragger when I came
Speaker 1: to Colorado and my first fall ever up at pat
Speaker 1: Country Outfitters up there and yump him. Um My buddy
Speaker 1: Jimmy had shown up, who was a previous guy. He
Speaker 1: didn't got anymore, but he showed up. He had a
Speaker 1: cow tag Muzzleloto cow tag. So you know, I only
Speaker 1: showed up there in August. I was very new to
Speaker 1: this place and these people. And uh he shoots a cow,
Speaker 1: guts that leaves it up on the hill, comes back.
Speaker 1: We kind of like have dinner, put the clients to
Speaker 1: to the bed, and we gotta go get this cow.
Speaker 1: And uh he of course he and along with everybody
Speaker 1: else is thinking, well, we'll just run up there with
Speaker 1: you know, frame packs and we'll quarter it out and
Speaker 1: walk down off the hill. I'm like, hold on, it's
Speaker 1: just right up on this hill behind camp. Get you
Speaker 1: know what we do in Michigan this tie a rope
Speaker 1: to it. And because what we would do with the
Speaker 1: dough is actually take the front legs and kind of
Speaker 1: make like and put them together with the head and neck.
Speaker 1: Because if you don't do that, you got the heads
Speaker 1: kind of flopping everywhere and getting caught on everything, you know,
Speaker 1: So we'd make a little bundle and I'm like, Jimmy,
Speaker 1: how big is this cow? Was not a great big cow?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, no problem, let's go dude. I
Speaker 1: mean that was just a full on exercise and it
Speaker 1: was downhill the whole way, but aspen logs everywhere. You know,
Speaker 1: it would get going too fast down the aspen leaves
Speaker 1: and take people out. We had a hell of a time.
Speaker 1: We laughed a lot, and who did a lot. But
Speaker 1: I can tell you that was the first and last
Speaker 1: elk drug off of a mountain out of that camp. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just you know, even in my own in my
Speaker 1: life now is I'm trying to you just moved to Montana.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to set up like how when I kill something?
Speaker 1: What do I do? Right? I got a big butchering
Speaker 1: table in my garage, stainless steel and all the things
Speaker 1: I'll the there. And man, did I miss the gambrels
Speaker 1: this last couple of times I brought home quartered animals.
Speaker 1: I missed it. So this fall, I'm gonna get some gambles,
Speaker 1: like a three pole like TP looking gamble system and
Speaker 1: put it on the concrete path in the side of
Speaker 1: my house so in case and I'm and I really
Speaker 1: around Montana. Wherever else I go, I want to find
Speaker 1: places where I can't get the whole animal out. So
Speaker 1: just that's called private ranch hunting ball. Oh yeah, is
Speaker 1: that right? Oh yeah? Because all you have to do
Speaker 1: is go down to Yellowstone Game Processing, which is right
Speaker 1: there at the exit when you're going to my house. Yea,
Speaker 1: and uh hang out there for an hour or two.
Speaker 1: And they received lots of whole elk really like guys
Speaker 1: are wenching them into trucks. Ye oh yeah, really that
Speaker 1: seems insane. The only time this has ever happened to me.
Speaker 1: I was actually the first elk I ever killed. I
Speaker 1: think was over here. It's like a decade ago or
Speaker 1: twelve years ago by Lake Ennis. Was on a hunt.
Speaker 1: Shot a bull right by Lake Ennis, right and just
Speaker 1: right before the public land there in a private ranch,
Speaker 1: and we were literally hiking up. It was my dream
Speaker 1: to hike up into the Madison Range and go hunt.
Speaker 1: It's I'd never been to Montana before, is my dream
Speaker 1: to go hunt in the Madison Range. We didn't even
Speaker 1: make it to the mountains. We were in some damn
Speaker 1: agg field overlooking the lake and here stands a bull
Speaker 1: just by himself. With a bunch of cattle, and whenever
Speaker 1: there shot him, dude drives out. He's got a flat
Speaker 1: a flat top pick up and like he gives flat bed.
Speaker 1: Flat bed, yeah, flat bed, and he just gets his
Speaker 1: wench out and and drags this thing over there, puts
Speaker 1: it in his flat bed, and awfull we go. And
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, that wasn't what I was looking
Speaker 1: for experience wise. I'm glad I got this elk, but
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I would have done. Then
Speaker 1: we hung it up in some big pole barn and
Speaker 1: they skinned it, and then it was just it didn't
Speaker 1: feel like the elk. Contin I was looking prototypical, your
Speaker 1: real picky. You want that for white tail deer, but
Speaker 1: you don't want that for elk. You're right, see, And
Speaker 1: I like it going back to Ohio versus Denver. You know,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of Ohio, a little bit of
Speaker 1: den in there, a little bit of Colorado, a little
Speaker 1: bit of Ohio. All right, man, well, I like asked
Speaker 1: the eagle. I feel like we're just gonna keep were done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're done. We've hit the we've hit that time. Kids,
Speaker 1: We've got to go. Yeah. That was fun. Those were
Speaker 1: good questions those were and I really do like asked
Speaker 1: the Eagle. I think people out there like it. We've
Speaker 1: got another hundred emails to draw from. So if if
Speaker 1: you didn't get it this time, if you didn't see
Speaker 1: Yanni's social post, then emails your question t h D
Speaker 1: at the media dot com and label it asked the Eagle,
Speaker 1: and we'll get it in the rotation for what it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a monthly affair here at the Hunty Collected
Speaker 1: because I have fun doing it. Remember, there are no
Speaker 1: stupid questions, but there are good ones and bad ones,
Speaker 1: and entertaining ones and boring ones. So uh, if you
Speaker 1: want to make it on here, think it through a
Speaker 1: little bit, as we say, with not to sharp moments,
Speaker 1: not too long but not too short, just the right
Speaker 1: length and the right intention. You know what I was
Speaker 1: told in a h email the other day, Steve Janice
Speaker 1: remy at all, So he's addressing you as well, Ben
Speaker 1: sure his first sentences as gentleman that don't seem to
Speaker 1: value brevity and then spoken and written word. I hope
Speaker 1: you will bear with me and endure the length of
Speaker 1: my email. That is a great way to kick off
Speaker 1: an email because he's kind of he's kind of like
Speaker 1: punching in the face, but at the same time giving
Speaker 1: you a hug, which is how we treat each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so like obviously you're gonna read his email. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're like, well, what's this guy got to say? That's
Speaker 1: so damn important and we should have him all he was.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it just took him a while
Speaker 1: to get through the Medeor podcast, but he had. He
Speaker 1: had listened to the Meat Tree episodes. And I want
Speaker 1: to write in about that. I won't get into that,
Speaker 1: but I actually value brevity immensely when I write. I'm
Speaker 1: one of those people that I take it to heart
Speaker 1: to try to never use the word very because I
Speaker 1: figured that there if you want to say very excited,
Speaker 1: there is a word that means in the English language
Speaker 1: that means very excited that you could use instead. But
Speaker 1: when it comes to producing television that we do, brevity
Speaker 1: is key. It's like, if you have somebody that's long
Speaker 1: winded and can't get a point out succinctly, it's gonna
Speaker 1: make it tough to edit, man, and um, it just
Speaker 1: gets boring, you know, and you kind of like you
Speaker 1: have to realize that you don't always get everything that
Speaker 1: you want, but it's more important, more valuable just to
Speaker 1: have stuff clipping along, moving along and uh and yeah,
Speaker 1: so anyways, being able to being able to say what
Speaker 1: you mean in a podcast sense, we just like to
Speaker 1: talk and that's what that's what this is. But be
Speaker 1: in the written word, being able to say what you
Speaker 1: mean without having to bemoan the fact being able to
Speaker 1: clearly can slisely express your point is a skill and
Speaker 1: the written word, but also in the TV show Hunting World,
Speaker 1: where you're trying to explain something but you don't have
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of time to do it,
Speaker 1: and you've got to get right through it and move
Speaker 1: on to the next thing. And it's got it all.
Speaker 1: Everything has to build on itself. So there's a lot
Speaker 1: in this world. But yeah, keep him short, keep him concise.
Speaker 1: You now you know what Yanni likes. Now you know
Speaker 1: what he likes, and and he's and and he's a
Speaker 1: stickler about who comes on and asked you might to
Speaker 1: have a T shirt that just says brevity, But it's
Speaker 1: that's all it says. That's just a brevity period. All right. Well,
Speaker 1: we're very very happy, very very very happy to have
Speaker 1: you every time, Yannio. Thanks Ben. It's always a pleasure
Speaker 1: to be on and appreciate all the folks right now
Speaker 1: with their question. Yeah, this is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: things we do and we're gonna keep doing it here
Speaker 1: at the Hunting Collective. Say bye your honest Ah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's all another episode in the books, one fifty six.
Speaker 1: I'll get the number right this time. Thank you to Janice,
Speaker 1: Thank you to everybody that called in. Thanks for your service.
Speaker 1: Captain chaz Uh. It was great to hear from everybody,
Speaker 1: And to those folks that we did not get to, um,
Speaker 1: including my good friend and I want to read you
Speaker 1: an email from one of our We we did not
Speaker 1: get to a gentleman named Tim King who had a
Speaker 1: good story for us. Um. We didn't get to him.
Speaker 1: So apologies to Tim King UM. And he emailed me, Hey,
Speaker 1: you didn't call me. What's up man? And I said, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: we we just ran out of time. We had to
Speaker 1: vacate the studio. And his reply was, that is really unfortunate.
Speaker 1: I was looking forward to talking with you guys. I
Speaker 1: even took some time off work and turned over a
Speaker 1: customer with a knife sailed to a co worker. This
Speaker 1: is the closest I have come to meeting a hero,
Speaker 1: and the old saying reigns true. I guess don't try
Speaker 1: and meet him. You will end up disappointed. Thanks for
Speaker 1: all the content during these trying times. Everyone appreciates it.
Speaker 1: Ex Cult follower Tim k. So we lost a guy.
Speaker 1: We we lost somebody. Phil, I replied to him, uh,
Speaker 1: and just said, Tim, I feel deeply responsible to make
Speaker 1: this up to you, so in time I will until
Speaker 1: then be your own hero. I'll keep thekool aid on
Speaker 1: nice until you return. Best Ben O'Brien. So, Tim, if
Speaker 1: you're listening, maybe you're not listening because we've we've upset
Speaker 1: you so much. We apologize. We will make it up
Speaker 1: to you on the next asked the Eagle segment, next
Speaker 1: time around, and everyone else I wrote in the other
Speaker 1: over a hundred people that wrote in with questions for us.
Speaker 1: We're gonna do as many asked the Eagle segments as
Speaker 1: we can do. So we have those in the hopper.
Speaker 1: So watch out for an email from me or a
Speaker 1: phone call for me to set it up for next time.
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. And next we have two
Speaker 1: more shows, Phil, two more shows in and um the
Speaker 1: first one is Clay Newcomb. We got Clay Knwcombe coming
Speaker 1: up next week. Now Clay is gonna you know, if
Speaker 1: if folks haven't heard since the last time he's been
Speaker 1: on the show, he's joined Meat Eater. He's now a
Speaker 1: meat eater, a person who works at meat either uh.
Speaker 1: And we're very very very happy to have Clay. Clay's
Speaker 1: a fantastic human and so next year we're gonna have
Speaker 1: him on into pretty regular cadence for a segment we
Speaker 1: call Guard the Gate. Guard the Gate is a segment
Speaker 1: that you're gonna hear and if you if you don't
Speaker 1: know about that, go and listen to his first appearance
Speaker 1: on the show and you'll learn all about that. But
Speaker 1: you're gonna be hearing a lot more from Clay, including
Speaker 1: next week where we talk about faith in the outdoors
Speaker 1: and depth. We're talking about guarding our pursuits from folks
Speaker 1: that would love to take it away. So we'll be
Speaker 1: here next week. Say by if Hill goodbye, you know,
Speaker 1: because I can't go a week without doing rung without
Speaker 1: you and rung drinking out right drinking