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Speaker 1: Revere rede Donks look at us now.

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Speaker 2: Tip to Tim. This is our life, this is our passion.

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Speaker 2: That's the spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: It is Monday, the eighteenth of January twenty twenty one. Donks, reverly, revely,

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Speaker 3: it is time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, My name is Luke thomasin from CBS Sports. I

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Speaker 3: am one half of your hosting duo. Joining me on

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Speaker 3: the other side.

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Speaker 1: Of the screen is the cue to my non.

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Speaker 3: The peanut butter to my jelly. He is the Hartford

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Speaker 3: to my Connecticut or something like that. He's also from

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Speaker 3: CBS Sports. It is Brian Campbell. Brian, Happy Monday to you,

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Speaker 3: which starts off a big two week run here in

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Speaker 3: MMA and certainly on the show as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the pong to your cosmic ping. Indeed, look, I

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Speaker 2: am fired the hell up. This ain't journalist BC talking.

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Speaker 2: In fact, journalist BC doesn't really show up behind this

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Speaker 2: microphone too often. This is MMA super fan. In fact,

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Speaker 2: JAMMA super fan BC talking fired the hell up. It's

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Speaker 2: Connor McGregor Fight Week, dude. I mean, I mean, seriously,

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Speaker 2: McGregor poy A two Chandler hooker, like, where where the

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Speaker 2: hell do I sign up?

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Speaker 1: Luke?

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Speaker 2: Okay, what a time to be alive. Not even talking

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Speaker 2: about that Wednesday card as well. Uh, and not even

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Speaker 2: talking about the fact that Luke, you and I this

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Speaker 2: week proximity brother, Okay, proximity all right, we're gonna go

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Speaker 2: into business with each other, for each other.

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Speaker 3: We gotta by each other. We think we have a

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Speaker 3: big week coming up. We really should. Obviously there's the

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Speaker 3: big UFC stuff. There'll be a UFC show on Wednesday,

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Speaker 3: we'll get to a preview that I think probably tomorrow

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Speaker 3: I'll have something for you. But today we're gonna review

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Speaker 3: UFC on ABC one, and of course everything is in

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Speaker 3: motion for Connor McGregor on Saturday BC and I, by

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Speaker 3: the way, will be back at Mohegan. We think, uh

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Speaker 3: this weekend, well, we'll do some room service diaries, but

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Speaker 3: also have some great UFC two fifty seven coverage for

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Speaker 3: you together, which should be a lot of fun and

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Speaker 3: very very interesting. So so yes, we have a lot

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Speaker 3: of show to get to today. Please give the video

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Speaker 3: everyone who is new here from the instant reaction we

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Speaker 3: did on Saturday for UFC on ABC one. We appreciate

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Speaker 3: you welcome, but still spread the word. Get the video

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Speaker 3: you want to try Showtime, who makes this show possible,

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Speaker 3: can get a tumblr just like this one, or a

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Speaker 3: hat like BC has. You can get mugs and a

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Speaker 1: Mug.

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Speaker 2: I don't know why they can't get this mug. This

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Speaker 2: mug's fantastic, Luke, Okay.

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Speaker 3: It's actually it's actually better than the mug that I have. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but you're right, we can't. You can't buy that one

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Speaker 2: Now, don't live in the lower forty eight. You'll be

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Speaker 2: pounding a lot more sand than the whole Doha desert.

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Speaker 1: Brother.

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Speaker 2: But hopefully one day we'll fix that local.

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Speaker 3: We shall see and then uh, I think that's it.

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Speaker 3: Last but not least blah blah blah. That's where we

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Speaker 2: Cross over right from from fun and games to serious

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Speaker 2: and dude, as a fan, you got you got. I'm

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Speaker 2: You know? Is your is your satul full page at

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Speaker 2: the moment? What do you got going on right now?

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about my genitals on air.

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Speaker 3: Can we get the show started?

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Speaker 1: Please? Will that be all right with you? Good? Thank you?

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Speaker 3: one is up. We're talking about UFC on ABC one.

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Speaker 3: Max Holloway BC not only wins, he wins in such

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Speaker 3: a way where he set record after record after record

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Speaker 3: name it. This was an absolute slacking that Calvin Cater took.

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Speaker 3: It was not close, It was not close for a minute.

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Speaker 3: Just how impressive, though, was Max Holloway's win on Saturday.

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Speaker 2: Huge words like masterpiece, masterful, other words to begin with

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Speaker 2: master they don't really do full justice here, luke to

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Speaker 2: this was the most humbling experience I've ever been in

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Speaker 2: you might hear that and go, okay, you know, big

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Speaker 2: Then you see the damn stats over five rounds. I

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Speaker 2: mean he didn't just break these records, he shattered them.

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Speaker 2: And you know that whole moment in round five with

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Speaker 2: Calvin Cator's a great fighter, but you know he might

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Speaker 2: be Taylor made for an even greater fighter, and Max

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Speaker 2: Holloway not only did that become true, but this was

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Speaker 2: And again, that's nothing to take away from the balls,

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Speaker 2: the toughness the I mean Calvin Cater to go through

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Speaker 2: More on that in a second, but like shout out

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Speaker 2: Here's what this great luke, Max Holloway already has a

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Speaker 2: And you know, ninety nine percent of the fighters that

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Speaker 2: of their three rounds earlier. Max Holloway's great, Luke. He

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Speaker 2: And I'm really trying to avoid the hyperbole here, but

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Speaker 2: after that, Luke? This was one of those moments where

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know there are a lot of people who believe

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Speaker 3: Just to get to Volkanovsky, you'd have to beat a

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Speaker 3: That was one of the most impressive things I think

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Speaker 3: saw some folks saying like, oh, Max is showing people

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Speaker 2: Certainly there's been high volume Luke right right, he's adding

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, it wasn't like but it wasn't like

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Speaker 3: But here here's what I mean to say. I don't

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Speaker 3: the best chins in MMA history. I mean that dude

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Speaker 3: where he gets hit a lot. He gets hit nearly

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Speaker 3: five times every minute. That's pretty high. The difference is Maxkin,

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Speaker 3: good defense too. You saw a lot of slipping. I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying I don't want folks to overly sell how

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Speaker 3: I want to make, and it was actually somebody who

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Speaker 3: wrote to me building off of something that I had

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Speaker 3: reader named Jacob. I don't I forget his last name,

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Speaker 3: but I want to make sure that I give him

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Speaker 1: Certainly I've got a biblical name, how about that?

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Speaker 3: But the point is this, The point is this BC

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Speaker 3: in Jay, please stop interrupting me in my fucking ear.

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Speaker 3: What I would say is I think that Max Holloway

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Speaker 3: is the sort of strategic tactical air to George Saint Pierre.

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Speaker 3: Now Max Holloway is not Saint Pierre in many many ways.

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Speaker 1: They are very very.

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Speaker 3: Different kinds of fighters, with different levels of abilities, different

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Speaker 1: I don't mean to make it.

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Speaker 3: It's not a totalizing comparison, but what was the key

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Speaker 3: that he has. He has a tailored style to each

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Speaker 2: We usually think of a virtuoso moment as a short

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Speaker 2: want to say at twenty nine his resume is already ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: We had Alexander Volkanowski. Look, for all we know, Brian

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Speaker 2: it's time to be alive? But after this performance, Luke Thomas,

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Speaker 2: forget BC's the beat argument. Max holways the best dam

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Speaker 2: it's crazy Luke.

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Speaker 3: Well he doesn't have I mean he had three title

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Speaker 2: We had a longer road to get there, though, they

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Speaker 3: No fair enough, there's no denying it. I mean, and

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of coaches and a lot of

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Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. They go through ahead of

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Speaker 3: And they have a guy in Max Holloway who you know,

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Speaker 3: can he wrestle like KBIB and do jiu jitsu like

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Speaker 3: Ortega looked amazing, amazing against the Korean zombie. Volkanovski's got

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Speaker 3: And I have to tell you both times I thought

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Speaker 3: I thought Volkanovsky was gonna win. I might be back

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Speaker 3: I think Max might be have finally found a space

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Speaker 3: he lost him, there's just no doubt in my mind

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Speaker 1: Agreed?

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Speaker 2: Oh they did, And that's and that's what happens to

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Speaker 2: the greats. Luke. You you like, I always love Max's attitude.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I got a video on my phone, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I was a cage side after Max at uf T

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Speaker 2: he gave his soul into that fight, right, absolute classic,

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Speaker 2: I think I was sitting next to Mike Bone. You

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Speaker 1: You know Boner, Yes, yes, Boner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm sitting next to Boners to the Bone over here.

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Speaker 2: Max comes back. His face is all mangled and he

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Speaker 2: gets it, Boners to Bone's face. He's like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: I will say how much.

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Speaker 1: How much the Volkanoski fights made him better?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh yeah, so so certainly, because you know, that's

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Speaker 2: how many times have I counted Max? How and on

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Speaker 2: you know he's really good, but he is great?

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Speaker 1: Is you know? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: If he's freaking insanely great. I mean, and it's enduring

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. But Luke, I always try to play

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Speaker 2: just like I want to get so fired up. I

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Speaker 2: to hand over? Right? I mean, I mean, is there

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Speaker 1: No, no, you know it's funny. I mean, I want

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Speaker 3: I mean, we're he being praise on Max. I have

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Speaker 1: There is a lot.

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Speaker 3: And when I say a lot, dude, I mean a

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Speaker 3: hat blocked, the fourth lands flush right, and so just

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00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,080
Speaker 3: enough of those adding up. I mean Cater looked like

433
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,840
Speaker 3: he had been, you know, fighting for his life in there.

434
00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:35,760
Speaker 3: He looked terrible by the end of the fifth round.

435
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,160
Speaker 3: But you know, Cater's defense in there was It's gonna

436
00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,199
Speaker 3: sound crazy because he got landed on like a bajillion times,

437
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:44,480
Speaker 3: but it was pretty good.

438
00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,360
Speaker 1: Man. You watch in slow motion.

439
00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,000
Speaker 3: He's rolling all the time and getting out of the

440
00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 3: way of the vast majority of what Max was throwing.

441
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:55,439
Speaker 3: It's just that Max will find a crack in the

442
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,639
Speaker 3: armor no matter how good you are. I do think

443
00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 3: that his defense was solid. Dude, he was just over

444
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,560
Speaker 3: He's just overmatched against the guy who has a rock chin,

445
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,040
Speaker 3: who has an adaptable skill set on the feet, has

446
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,199
Speaker 3: one of the smartest teams around him, and is in

447
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:08,760
Speaker 3: his prime.

448
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,480
Speaker 1: And that's just what happens.

449
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,600
Speaker 2: And he almost made Max shoot his load late in

450
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 2: round four, right like you know, when Max is flurry

451
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 2: into the body and had Calvin pinned against the cage.

452
00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 2: We're all waiting for it to be stopped and uh

453
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,640
Speaker 2: for Calvin Cater to come back and land some bombs

454
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 2: and suddenly be the guy coming on for that short,

455
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 2: little thirty second window and everyone's typing, oh my god,

456
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 2: is this the rounder fight of the year. Which was

457
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,679
Speaker 2: a little bit too much in the uh in the

458
00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,680
Speaker 2: wrong direction since it was such a one sided fight,

459
00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,600
Speaker 2: But it was a great moment. It's a it's a

460
00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: testament to his toughness. I just wondered if he really

461
00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 2: is of that ilk. Was it the perfect opponent at

462
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 2: the perfect time for Max to paint this masterpiece. It

463
00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 2: still could be true. All of the things we said

464
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 2: still could be true either way. Get Max back in

465
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,880
Speaker 2: the damn title fight. Okay, Luke, I don't I don't know, dude,

466
00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 2: I just see things in the zabeat category. Luke, I

467
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,000
Speaker 2: don't know if everyone's gonna be able to do this

468
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,919
Speaker 2: with the ease against him. I think Zabat sometimes fights

469
00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,840
Speaker 2: to the level of his competition, but I think he's

470
00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:02,119
Speaker 2: the right guy to decode these elites. In the end,

471
00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 2: we'll find out. We could be sleeping on Ortega being

472
00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: that right guy when you mix the toughness, the power

473
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,920
Speaker 2: and his improved iq in mindset from two years away.

474
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,480
Speaker 3: But wow, was like last thing on this was a

475
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: question of best fighter ever out of Hawaii, which people.

476
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: I mean, Twitter is amazing because I asked it on Twitter,

477
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,800
Speaker 3: and Twitter's a great place where people go to flex

478
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 3: the fact that they have very poor reading comprehension skills.

479
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,679
Speaker 3: The argument is not as bj as advanced at his

480
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,280
Speaker 3: best in a different era, as advanced as Max is today.

481
00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,160
Speaker 3: Max is clearly of a new generation of fans. That's

482
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 3: not the question. The question is if you're the first

483
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 3: American to win the world championships in jiu jitsu, and

484
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,359
Speaker 3: you capture the lightweight title and defend it, and you

485
00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 3: capture the walterweight title. How does that stack up against

486
00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: a guy who's got three featherweight title defenses? Right, And again,

487
00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 3: they're different eras they're different accomplishments. BJ went on historic slide,

488
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 3: the worst of which you couldn't have imagined when he

489
00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,159
Speaker 3: was on his lightweight run. Max is still in the

490
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,560
Speaker 3: thick of things. The answer is probably going to be Max,

491
00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: even though Max doesn't have the wide breadth of accomplishments.

492
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 3: But the spirit is not who is the best, you know,

493
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: in terms of the most advanced fighting in the modern sense,

494
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 3: It's who did as much in their era, That's the question.

495
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,120
Speaker 2: That's a fair point. I think BJ might be at

496
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 2: this point still a little bit more accomplished overall, and

497
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: he certainly has the uh, you know, the nostalgic heroism

498
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,119
Speaker 2: love that hasn't fully been erased by the tragic second

499
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 2: half of his career. But if Max really wants that crown, Luke,

500
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,919
Speaker 2: he's gonna have to see BJ in the parking lot

501
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:33,560
Speaker 2: of that Hawaiian strip club. All Right. It was the lava.

502
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 2: To be the man, you gotta beat the man. As

503
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: Rick Flair once said, Luke, all right.

504
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: Let's talk about the other side of this equation. So

505
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: point number two here. Obviously Max looked wherever he stands

506
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: in Hawaiian or featherweight standings, doesn't matter. The guy looked tremendous.

507
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 3: But Calvin Cator took a really, really bad beating, and

508
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 3: it looked to me like there were several points in

509
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 3: the course of that fight that it probably should have

510
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 3: been stopped. In fact, full disclosure, BC, I thought it

511
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,439
Speaker 3: should have been stopped in the fourth and if not,

512
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: during that flurry at the end of the round when

513
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,679
Speaker 3: he went back to his corner, even though he had

514
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 3: showed signs of life.

515
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 1: We'll get to that in just a second. What was your.

516
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: Sense of things about either the corner or the referee,

517
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:13,200
Speaker 3: or the lack of a stoppage altogether, Where what should

518
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 3: what should have happened?

519
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: I think it was in the gray area of you

520
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: don't know what to do in that moment. And I

521
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,479
Speaker 2: say that because, Okay, obviously he's taking an insane beating

522
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: and and you know, more often than not you would

523
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 2: stop it in that spot. But again he showed life

524
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: in round four. I mean, look, there was a window

525
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: a pocket, as I mentioned, where it looked like he's

526
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 2: coming on. So I do wanna. I do support like

527
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: I always. I'm the guy who's telling you there's no

528
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 2: moral victories in losing. So if it's boxing and you're

529
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: taking a beating and you have no chance to win

530
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: on the cards, and you don't really have a big

531
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: knockout power and you're not gonna land the big shot,

532
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 2: why is there a moral victory in fighting four or

533
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 2: five more rounds? Again, your ass kick, there is none.

534
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: But this is Calvin Caator's kind of biggest shot. This

535
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 2: is almost his title fight, right if he beat Max here.

536
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 2: I mean he might not get a title shot next,

537
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,200
Speaker 2: but this is his moment. If you want to say,

538
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 2: this was his corner's chance to just say, kind of

539
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 2: what they did in the Pennington Nuonas fight, although I

540
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: thought that one was entirely a corner mishap because their

541
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: fighter is saying I can't go. You know, Rocky Penin's

542
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: saying throwing the towel, and they didn't do it. That's

543
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,199
Speaker 2: different in this case. They believed in their guy, in

544
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 2: him having a puncher's chance. They saw something. I say,

545
00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 2: it's a gray area because he's only gonna take a

546
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 2: worse beating. It's only gonna take years off his career

547
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: and maybe even his life. But this was really his

548
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: mountaintop opportunity. I don't think Calvalncator ever gets higher in

549
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: the rankings and the title picture for his career than

550
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,440
Speaker 2: this moment. So I didn't see enough where I'm ready

551
00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 2: to damn them. Could it have been stopped by the

552
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 2: ref or corner? Yes? Even Dana White afterwards was like

553
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 2: I was having scary moments where I didn't know why

554
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: this fight was going on. I just think that while

555
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 2: it was on, it was near the edd. It was

556
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,359
Speaker 2: in the gray bubble, but it was near the edge

557
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: of being too much. It's still was in the gray

558
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 2: territory where they took a chance. They let him go.

559
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: Good God, somehow he finished the fight. It is what

560
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: it is, Luke. It's a bad beating, but it was

561
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: his moment. It was his opportunity. And I think, as

562
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 2: safe as I want to be, and I do want

563
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: to be, I want to be so safe, you do

564
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: have to leave that window open that this is combat sports.

565
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 2: You can hit a ten run Grand Slam home run

566
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:26,320
Speaker 2: with one punch in the final inning. He showed enough life,

567
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: Luke in the biggest and most important fight of his life,

568
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: where I think if it was ever gonna happen, it

569
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 2: was right then in there. Let him try it.

570
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 3: I mean to say that this fight should have gone

571
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 3: the distance is to argue that the greatest accumulated beating

572
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: maybe in UFC history, deserves to go to a decision. Well,

573
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 3: I got a hard time just to find that. In fact,

574
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 3: I can't. I don't know how you can make that claim.

575
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, was there a moment in the fifth round?

576
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 2: Was there a single moment where because I think this

577
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 2: is in round four he was before he came back,

578
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 2: Cater was taking out Baiting, I don't think he to

579
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: that same beating in round five. Was there a moment

580
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 2: a window where you're like, all right, Herb, it's time.

581
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 2: I don't think that moment ever produced in round five.

582
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 1: And certainly in round four. A couple of times in

583
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: round four.

584
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is he rallied back in round four.

585
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 3: So that's my whole right point, this is he only

586
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: rallied back after they let the beating just go on

587
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 3: and he just stood on his feet wobbling, and they

588
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,080
Speaker 3: just said, yeah, well, I mean, you're still conscious and

589
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 3: your organs haven't totally failed. Let's just keep this going.

590
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 3: I mean, here's basically the point. I mean, okay, to me,

591
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 3: the major issue is whatever the rules say, they appear

592
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 3: to give some latitude to Herb Dean. In fact, you

593
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 3: notice there's not a lot of criticism of Dean this time.

594
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: Most of it is about his corner. Whether or not

595
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: that's fair, that's just the reality. Like I'm looking around,

596
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: that's where most of the energy is being spent examining.

597
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: And I think the reason for that is because you've

598
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 3: got a guy like Calvin Cator who just sits there

599
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,399
Speaker 3: and takes an extraordinary amount of abuse, and then because

600
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: he can throw a punch or act with intention, we say, well,

601
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 3: you know, he's still kind of in it here a

602
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: little bit, a couple of.

603
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: Hills show defense, and he wasn't getting dropped left and right, Luke,

604
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 2: there are there are There are reasons why.

605
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: You don't have to get dropped to get stopped. Plenty

606
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 3: of guys gets stopped on I'm just saying, even when

607
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 3: they're conscious.

608
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 2: You get dropped the batphone starts ringing in Herb Dean's

609
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 2: errand he's like, Okay, I gotta I gotta right.

610
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: But the question is the question is is that what

611
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 3: it takes? That seems to me a very crude way

612
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 3: of evaluating fighters health and safety. I mean, here's the point.

613
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 3: In the end, there's a good, probably a decent, you know,

614
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: strict argument to make that Herb was you know, can

615
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: make a case that he was following the rules set

616
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 3: out in front of him, right, So there are questions

617
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,880
Speaker 3: should the corner have exacted more mercy. You've got a guy.

618
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 3: You got to know who your guy is, and you

619
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: got to know who your guy is fighting. Max Holloway

620
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 3: has maybe the best chin in MMA history. You've gone

621
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 3: twenty minutes with the guy, and your fighter has taken

622
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 3: a literal and this is not an exaggeration, a historic

623
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 3: amount of abuse. You think he's gonna go out there

624
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: in round five and put down the guy who's got

625
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: the best shit in that division by a mile, and

626
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 3: maybe the best one in the history of the fucking sport.

627
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 3: Twenty four fights in a row and they can't even

628
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 3: sit him down with a punch across two different weight classes.

629
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 3: It's fucking fantasy. It's total fantasy. You have to know

630
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 3: what your guy is capable of, and you have to

631
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: know what you're up against. He is not going to

632
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: land some wayward shot on Max and then make him

633
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 3: rethink everything. Dustin Parier landed over one hundred strikes on

634
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: Max and couldn't sit him down. And Dustin Poarier can

635
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 3: thump you think Calvin Cator can match that. It's just

636
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 3: total fantasy. Here is the problem. All they are doing

637
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,719
Speaker 3: is asking themselves, Hey, is this lifeless husk of a

638
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: man that used to be, you know, the husband and

639
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 3: father of children. I don't know if he's got kids

640
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: or not, whatevery single, but this lifeless husk of a

641
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 3: man who can he still robotically throw a punch? Is

642
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 3: he's still fighting on instinct enough where and mechanically efficient enough,

643
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 3: with enough balance there for us to stay He's still

644
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: in it? My answer is, who gives a shit? If

645
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: you've gone twenty minutes like this and you've taken that

646
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: amount of damage to me, you have crossed the line

647
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 3: where you're saying, how much damage are you just gonna

648
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: let a guy take in a fight that's twenty minutes,

649
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 3: How much are you gonna do this? You notice that

650
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: no one's complaining about the lack of a Kilburn stoppage

651
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 3: the opening fight on that card, and that dude got wild,

652
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: but he was doing a lot more level changing wrestling.

653
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 3: It was only fifteen minutes. It wasn't nearly as much

654
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: after twenty minutes. How can you look at someone and say,

655
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 3: this guy still has a chance. He had no chance.

656
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 3: He had no chance other than the opportunity to take

657
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 3: more beatings. So this idea that while he threw a

658
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 3: punch with coordination that you know, look like a professional

659
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: out there, I don't give a fuck.

660
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: Who cares.

661
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 3: You have absorbed a kind of damage that can change

662
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: the trajectory of your life and career.

663
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: End of argument.

664
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 2: You're making salient points. I'm certainly not arguing the spirit

665
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 2: of your argument, which is there's a limit when enough

666
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 2: is too much. Yes, that's what I'm saying. We're in

667
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 2: the gray area where it could have easily been stuf

668
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 2: or not doing it. I'm not here to rail against them,

669
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 2: because again, there wasn't that look. If he took if

670
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: he got wobbled by anything around five, they would have

671
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: stopped the fight right then, and I think his corner

672
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 2: would have agreed with it. His corner was basically like,

673
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 2: you almost hit a ten run home run at the

674
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: end of that round. Go out there, there's the biggest

675
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: fight of your life. Go out there and try it

676
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: one more time. To his credit, he never stopped defending himself,

677
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: he never stopped firing back. I'm not saying these are

678
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 2: reasons to let a man get brain damage. I'm just

679
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: saying we're already in that gray area. This is the

680
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: biggest fight of this guy's life. The reason why you

681
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: don't let a fight the first fight of the night,

682
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: on the prelims in an empty arena go to that

683
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 2: level is because it's not the damn main event with

684
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 2: title implications at stake. So I'm not here to argue

685
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 2: that I should tell his family ten years from now

686
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 2: that title implications allowed your husband to take a longer beating.

687
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, at some point, Luke, and it's always

688
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 2: a hard decision to make when we're talking about boxing

689
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 2: or MMA and we're talking about deciding when a fight ends,

690
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: some percentage of that decision is I signed up for this.

691
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: I know the violence that's at stake. If we start

692
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: to take away too much from what this is, it

693
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: no longer is what it is.

694
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: If you know what you're saying, will you, I mean

695
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 3: the slippery slope of we're gonna get to a point

696
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 3: where if a guy needs a band aid, we're gonna

697
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 3: call it off. I mean, you gotta be kidding me.

698
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: After four rounds of a history, We're not talking about

699
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 3: any old beating BC, We're I think.

700
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: The difference in our argument is this, Luke. If I'm

701
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: the referee, I probably would have stopped it in round

702
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: four because I'm more of a compassionate, nervous person in

703
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: this regard. If I'm his trainer, I'm probably gonna stop

704
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 2: it because me personally, Brian Campbell more of a compassionate, concerned,

705
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: worried person in this regard. But I don't think it

706
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: went over the line where I'm gonna come on a

707
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 2: microphone here on Monday morning and say that Herbdan or

708
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 2: the corner or the commission or anybody screwed up. It

709
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 2: was close to that line, but I think it was

710
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: still in the strike zone of biggest fight of this

711
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,520
Speaker 2: guy's life. He showed you life the round before. He

712
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: never had a bad, bad, bad moment in round five

713
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: where you're like, that's it, somebody's gonna get killed. Stop this.

714
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: He just had a historically bad moment in round ignoring.

715
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: The referee in the corner. Are not fed this information.

716
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: Herb Dean's not sitting there going okay, dude.

717
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 3: They're they're looking at the guy up close, up close.

718
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 3: They're looking at him, and they're saying, Wow, you might

719
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 3: have to get staples in your fucking skull when this

720
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 3: is over.

721
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 2: Uh gee, Look, Herb Deane doesn't know what the record

722
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: is for strikes and if we've passed it. Herbdean only

723
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: knows did he visibly see enough? And again, if he

724
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: got dropped or he wobbled, or he wasn't defending himself,

725
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: for he wasn't thrown back, the fight would have been stopped.

726
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: Dude.

727
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 3: If you're defending yourself, If you're defending yourself and you're

728
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 3: still getting hit like that, the fight doesn't need to continue.

729
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: I don't give a ship. That's not the point.

730
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 3: The point is what is a medically dangerous, long term

731
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 3: affecting amount of damage a single fight here.

732
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 2: Dangerous as ship, luke. This is what this is. The

733
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 2: sport we.

734
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 3: Cover okay, fair enough, fair enough, but there are ways

735
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: in which you can bring some mercy to it so

736
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: that it doesn't have to be worse than it already is.

737
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.

738
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 3: If you get knocked out in a single shot, hey man,

739
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 3: you fought Francis and Gonnard, what are you supposed to do?

740
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: That's I mean, it's just what. It's one punch that

741
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: sat you down. We're talking, We're talking twenty minutes at

742
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: that point, twenty minutes and he did how much? What

743
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: did he do to Max?

744
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:21,479
Speaker 1: Nothing?

745
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 3: He landed a couple of nice right hands in a

746
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 3: left check cook once. But we're gonna send that guy

747
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: there five more minutes for fucking.

748
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 2: What well, because they thought their guy could have a

749
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: home run chance, because you showed legitimate life for windows.

750
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying every yar.

751
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 2: I'm not the guy defending that people should be put

752
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 2: out there to get killed. I'm saying, in this one instance,

753
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone did anything criminally wrong. Biggest fight

754
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: of this guy's life. But answer me. This the great

755
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 2: all time wars right two way wars Hendo rua one

756
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 2: award Gotties you know for the other one, the.

757
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: Jones Gus Jones Gus is another one.

758
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, the Bigfoot against the damn Mark Hunt,

759
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 2: you know one the Corrals Castillo one. There's they get

760
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: to a point where collectively each of them are in

761
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 2: their own Calvin Cater Versus Holloway moment. But Luke, do

762
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: we let that go on? Because we are in this

763
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: gray area of this is an all time great fight.

764
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Stop the fight and go No,

765
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: both of you guys have taken too much damage. It's

766
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: to draw. No, they let round five go on with

767
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: Hendo in rule while we're all biting our nails there.

768
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, because both guys showed a capacity to win. If

769
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 3: after twenty minutes you've shown zero capacity to win, not.

770
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: Get my point, Luke, I got your point.

771
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: I get you, dude. I'm not confused about your point.

772
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: You're trying to say, well, this is a case where

773
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: you have not one but two combatants where you're getting so.

774
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: We just go we hope for the best, Luke, We

775
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 2: hope for the best in that instance. All I'm saying

776
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: is they hoped for the best for Cater, but they

777
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 2: would have stopped it if he got into serious trouble

778
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: and round five at any.

779
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: Point he got into serious into round four.

780
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 2: Rock and showgun Luke.

781
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying by round four, what was happening

782
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: in Hendo Shogun. There were three rounds. There were three rounds.

783
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, no.

784
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 3: No no, there were three rounds of showgun getting his ass whipped.

785
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 3: And in round four he came back out there and

786
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 3: put it on Dan Henderson and then did it again

787
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 3: in round five. That is a very different scenario I'm

788
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 3: talking about. You've had a championship round go by twenty

789
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: minutes in the book, and what do you have to

790
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 3: show for yourself? Nothing? You have nothing to show for

791
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: yourself after twenty minutes. This is my point.

792
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I don't think.

793
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 3: Tyson Shardier is a bad person. I don't think Herb

794
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 3: Dean's a bad person. In fact, I respect both of

795
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: them very very much. I do agree with you BC.

796
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: None of these calls are easy, and when you have

797
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 3: a back and forth between two of them where they're

798
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,400
Speaker 3: both taking damage, you know they're not going to be

799
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: the same afterwards. This is a very difficult call as well.

800
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 3: But my point is to the extent you can introduce

801
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 3: rational mercy into the game. And if it's back and forth,

802
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 3: I don't know what the answer is. This was not

803
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 3: back and forth. This was not that same call. This

804
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 3: was a guy who has let out for another five

805
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 3: minutes of a beating he did not need to take.

806
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, but again, entering round five in Hunt big

807
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: Foot one, I thought both guys were gonna die. Look

808
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 2: what I'm saying is there are times in this sport

809
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: you just butite your nails and it's a gray area

810
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 2: and you go for it. Do you think there should

811
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: be an appointed doctor at ringside that his only job

812
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: is to sit there and there's a giant red button

813
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: and if somebody's taking too much, just getting dangerous, he

814
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 2: just hits the button. The fights over.

815
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: No, I don't, I don't. I don't.

816
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 3: I don't want a doctor intervening in that way necessarily.

817
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: But what I've said before, it's an idea that I've

818
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 3: had where you to be a cornerman, you have to

819
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 3: have a license. And the thing that I've picked up

820
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: on this is what I mean. Like, dude, Brandy Gibson

821
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 3: has my highest respect, and he has talked to me

822
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 3: before about fights. He you know, he wished he would

823
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: have called that he didn't, you know, wish he would

824
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: have thrown in the towel, and he didn't. And then

825
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: when you talk to people like that, you realize they

826
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 3: are humane guys trying to make the best call for

827
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 3: all the reasons you articulated that they love these people,

828
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 3: This is a big fight for them, blah blah blah,

829
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 3: they need the money, whatever, whatever it is. But what

830
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: you find out is the only metric by which they

831
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:07,719
Speaker 3: are making that call is okay. Is this person utterly lifeless? No,

832
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: they have some they have defense, and they're throwing punches.

833
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: Let's just send them back out there. My only ask

834
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,240
Speaker 3: is there should probably be some training around, at least

835
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: getting to think about, dude, what have you done in

836
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 3: this fight? Like, what have you done? And how much

837
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 3: am I really willing to put this guy through for

838
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: their future to really in that moment get them to

839
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: internalize that, because in boxing corners you hear them internalize

840
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: that in that moment. So what I would saying is,

841
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 3: if you want a cornerman's license, I would like to

842
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 3: see some training around that. Does that solve the problem?

843
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: I have no fucking idea, but my hope is it

844
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 3: makes progress.

845
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: I will say this, if this fight was stopped in

846
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: round four, we wouldn't have a debate right now if

847
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 2: it should have been stopped. And I also think because

848
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 2: it didn't get stopped, because he never got into hell

849
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 2: in round five, I don't also think it's a debate topic.

850
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 2: I think he just entered into hell, Luke, and we

851
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 2: bet our nails because it was in that gray or

852
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 2: he had a chance to come back when the fight

853
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 2: didn't do it. He also didn't get close to death's doorstep.

854
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: Everybody survived, Luke. I don't know. I don't know, Luke.

855
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: You know I'm with you.

856
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: Spencer Fisher after those wars felt more or less.

857
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 3: Fine when they were over. You know, maybe he had

858
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 3: a headache or had to get stitches or whatever. He

859
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: didn't feel it then it was only ten years afterwards,

860
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: so you know this idea like, well, you know he

861
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 3: got on he wasn't on death's door. Okay, that's got

862
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 3: nothing to do with how bad it could be later on.

863
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: Oh this is gonna take away from his long term

864
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: life here, Luke. So I guess the spirit of your

865
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 2: question originally, should his corner have done more to protect him? Again?

866
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: If I was them, Yes, but they also know that

867
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: this is this guy's one chance here to try to

868
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 2: become a UFC champion. So I'm sure they have conversations. Luke.

869
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure they knew they gave him that chance.

870
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 3: I mean, you're supposed to take that beating for that

871
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,439
Speaker 3: paycheck for a non title fights.

872
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: That seems like I.

873
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 2: Wouldn't let you take that beating, Okay at some point,

874
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: but I'm just saying that. The whole point of you

875
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: and I arguing is there has to be lines in

876
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 2: the I just don't think it went over the line.

877
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 2: It was close, I just don't.

878
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 3: Think it went I mean, I think I think it

879
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: went well pasted it. But the question is what is

880
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: the line and who should draw it? All right, let's

881
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 3: keep this moving because somebody who had I think went

882
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 3: to the depths of hell and has returned into something

883
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 3: pretty spectacular at least, you know, come a long way.

884
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 3: I'll give him credit. Point number three here, Carlos kind

885
00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: of got to win over Matt Brown, and Matt Brown

886
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: was kind of upset about the scoring, but I understand

887
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: his point because it was thirty twenty seven across the

888
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 3: board on all three judges. Scorecards. I think he was

889
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: probably hoping to get at least round one. He thought

890
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: round three was a toss up. I don't necessarily agree

891
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 3: with that one, but you know, I can understand being

892
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 3: as competitive as it was, and you know you have

893
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 3: nothing to show for it on the score cards. Still

894
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: just the same. Talking about Carlos condit BC, what did

895
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 3: you make of this?

896
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: Now?

897
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: He is not ranked, Matt Brown's not ranked. Court McGee

898
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: was not ranked, but he's got two wins in a

899
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: row now, showing some signs of life. What's the road

900
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 3: ahead for him?

901
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to push on the gas

902
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: pedal too hard here. He's still in his late thirties.

903
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: This was a better performance than certainly that I expected

904
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: coming in. I was the one who I told you'll

905
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 2: lead into this fight. Why the heck is condent favorite here?

906
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I thought this would be a

907
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: fun matchup, a somewhat even one. But I thought Matt

908
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: Brown was gonna overcome him in the end. I thought

909
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:09,839
Speaker 2: it was a close fight. I thought it was two

910
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 2: rounds to one, most likely Conda ded the victory. Could

911
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: you have made a hipster case for Brown? Yeah, but

912
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 2: that's a two to one condit win. It's impressive. He

913
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 2: was efficient, he was technical, he didn't get into trouble.

914
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: He did a lot good, Luke. I thought he looked

915
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: a lot better in this fight than he did, you know,

916
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: in a long time. But I don't think we're talking

917
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, title picture, a top five or even top

918
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: ten here, Luke. At some point I always say this,

919
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 2: you got to protect the names who have enough in

920
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: the tank to linger, but they don't have enough, Luke,

921
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: to climb the ladder. I think any legitimate contender here

922
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: is going to beat him because I think he's still

923
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: a step behind. This was a step forward in his

924
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,879
Speaker 2: evolution from those disastrous, damaging losses. And again I give

925
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 2: this man credit his commitment to his craft that he

926
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: can put forth a performance like this. But he's also

927
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: fighting forty year old Matt Brown. If you're telling me

928
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: this gets him a larger money fight or or a

929
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 2: fight we're gonna care about. But it's a smart one.

930
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: It's an old guy fight. It's condent against the retiring

931
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 2: Diego Sanchez or condent against Nick Diaz coming back. Damn right,

932
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: I'm all for it, Luke. Okay, condent rematching a comebacking

933
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 2: GSP something like that. Yes, Luke, but I don't want

934
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 2: to see you know this, This is not enough to

935
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 2: get me into the Hey, is he one went away

936
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: from fighting you know Colby and Masvidal and USMA. No,

937
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 2: stop stop that, Stop that, Luke.

938
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you know it's the guy is so

939
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: revered that.

940
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: If you say things like he should be you know,

941
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 3: match made appropriately for someone at his age and the

942
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 3: level of you know ability he has left, They're like,

943
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 3: what you do you don't think he can be a contender?

944
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: Again? I was like, well, I'll say this.

945
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 3: Could I close the door on him finding a way

946
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 3: back into the top fifteen? No, I could not close

947
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: the door on it. I certainly wouldn't bet on it,

948
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't really.

949
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:53,360
Speaker 1: Rush it either.

950
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 3: The guy is capable of winning at the UFC level,

951
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: and that's not nothing. That's pretty spectacular, especially after all

952
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 3: the wars he's been through. You know what's kind of

953
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: funny be see everyone talks about the wars he had

954
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: in UFC, in particular the Lawlor fight, which I don't

955
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: think he ever recovered from. The dude had a lot

956
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 3: of wars before that. I mean, his fights with Kampman

957
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: were it's not war is certainly you know, hard on him.

958
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 3: I mean I went back and I watched the Hero

959
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 3: Mitsumura fight from WC. My god, that was an abuse fest.

960
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: Those guys were absolutely butchering each other. You just lose

961
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 3: sight of the fact that this dude's been fighting for

962
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: a very long time against the very best, and sometimes

963
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 3: they were short, like in the Dan Hardy fight, and

964
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 3: sometimes they went very long and they had a dramatic

965
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: effect on him. So the fact that he's still able

966
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 3: to be this competitive at all is frankly pretty goddamn impressive.

967
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: So if he's able to beat guys like Matt Brown

968
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 3: and stay in the UFC and he can really put

969
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: more wins together, than yes, we can slowly add I

970
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 3: think a level of difficulty to it where if he

971
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 3: can re enter the top fifteen, and you know, we'll

972
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 3: see how far he can go, then I'm okay with that.

973
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 3: But I'm like you managed expectations. He's in his late thirties,

974
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,680
Speaker 3: he has had a record amount of abuse. So do

975
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 3: I think he can still win and earn his keep? Absolutely,

976
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 3: God bless him. We're happy for it. But this idea

977
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: of like rushing him back into beating or fighting. I

978
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: should say, you know, hungry contenders with a modern game

979
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 3: in their late twenties. I just think we've seen what

980
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 3: happens when we do that, and it doesn't go well

981
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 3: for him.

982
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why we need to see it again.

983
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: Like, look, what did we accomplish the last few years

984
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,640
Speaker 2: with Showgun Hua being a not a contender but like

985
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 2: a quasi no her, he was light heavyweight, he was

986
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: he one. He won more than he Okay, so if

987
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: the definition of being ranked as a contender, then it's fine.

988
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 2: But like you know, he won more than he lost.

989
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: In fact, he won a surprising amount of fights. But yeah,

990
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 2: it was never a threat to be a top guy.

991
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: Was always a threat to kind of take an extended

992
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: beating just to hang around. And you know, again, you

993
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 2: want to match Showgun with Little Nog for a trilogy

994
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 2: like they did, that's great matchmaking. I don't need to

995
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 2: see Little Nog in there against dom Reyis. I don't

996
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: need to see Condit in there against any of these

997
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: super leads. But look, I'm not here to crap on him.

998
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 2: I mean, after that losing Street Condish, you know a

999
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 2: lot of guys would be out of the sport. He's

1000
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: still got certain elements to it, all right, there's some

1001
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: things he's relying heavy on his brain, on his technique.

1002
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 2: I mean, shout out to him for this win. But please,

1003
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 2: Dana White, let's respect the name.

1004
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: And be smart here, right. I don't have much to

1005
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: add to congratulations to sue him. It's a nice win.

1006
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: He might put three or four in a row together

1007
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: at this point and that would be fantastic. So let's

1008
00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 3: just not rush somebody who's had this much to go through.

1009
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: That's my only point.

1010
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: All right, Let's get to the part of the weekend

1011
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 3: that had nothing to do with the fights per se.

1012
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 1: That was just so stupid. Point number four, my god,

1013
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: BC the decision with Habib, which they literally compared to

1014
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: Lebron's decision, which I could not believe. Well, I mean,

1015
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: they were very different, they were not even remotely the same.

1016
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: But you know, when Lebron did the decision, he was

1017
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: widely payned for it. It was total blowback. It blew

1018
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: up in his face to the nth degree.

1019
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: Obviously, he went and won some titles in Miami, but

1020
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 3: that that moment in time was a total disaster. They

1021
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 3: were actually making active comparisons to it on the ESPN

1022
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 3: NME social media account, being a Cormier giving it lip service.

1023
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: Sure Enough, it lived up to the hype because his

1024
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: answer was, Eh, maybe, I guess we'll see who knows?

1025
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 1: Nos?

1026
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 2: Was that really his answer?

1027
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:22,439
Speaker 1: Luke?

1028
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 2: Was it really did?

1029
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: What did you make of that whole shit show?

1030
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: Okay? I wasn't as negative as you are of Like,

1031
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: why are we even doing this? I think there's Look,

1032
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 2: if you're gonna do this, it's cheesy, right, Lebron's decision

1033
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: was cheesy, but you gotta go all in again. Lebron

1034
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 2: went all in on it. I still kind of respect

1035
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 2: for him for doing it, even though it backfired. If

1036
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: they were really gonna do this, then they should have

1037
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: went all in. They should have made it a segment

1038
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 2: where Habib and Dana are sitting there talking to each other,

1039
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 2: similar to the meeting they had backstage. Right, make it

1040
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: an actual segment where we get what an actual answer

1041
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: from Habib. Look, I'm not here to bash Dana. I'm

1042
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 2: not here to retaliate for that media video does Dana

1043
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 2: hasn't used car salesman. He's a promoter, Luke. He has

1044
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 2: fudged the truth at times. All promoters do, do I

1045
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: one thousand percent believe his Maybe? No, I don't, Luke,

1046
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,720
Speaker 2: is there? I mean there doesn't mean there's no kernel

1047
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 2: to the idea that they talked that there was a

1048
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 2: lot of money offered to Habib, that Habib maybe said

1049
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: all right, you know, let me look, let me see

1050
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, you know, maybe they said, look, if

1051
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: Connor comes out on top of this, Abib, we'll give

1052
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 2: you just stupid frigging money, go to thirty, you know,

1053
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: and press your dad. Blah blah blah. I guess I

1054
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 2: could believe it, Luke, but I'm only gonna believe that

1055
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 2: if it comes out of the damn mouth of Abib

1056
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 2: Dermaga medof because every interview since his retirement after the

1057
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: Gaegee fight he said he's not coming back. Every interview

1058
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: with Dana since then has said, hey, wait and see,

1059
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 2: I think he's coming back. So to see Dana come

1060
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: out and give us a wanmpwamp, I mean, yeah, it

1061
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 2: was laughable. It was a joke, but it really feels

1062
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: like a promoter trying to sprinkle some extra on top

1063
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 2: of what is already. What did I tell you off

1064
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 2: the start of the show. UFC two fifty seven is

1065
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: coming for my heart, Luke, It's coming from my soul.

1066
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see this thing. We're already gonna

1067
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,439
Speaker 2: watch and tune in at stupid numbers. This felt ploy ish.

1068
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 2: I also didn't like in the post fight press conference

1069
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 2: Saturday night when they somebody brought up a great question,

1070
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: said Dana, Uh is justp still on the table for

1071
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: Habib and Dana's like, no, we didn't talk about GSP

1072
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 2: at all. He doesn't want to fight, and blah blah blah.

1073
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 2: And then you see the Schimol had a video out

1074
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: there on social media that's getting passed around where he

1075
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: was interviewing Dean Thomas and Habib walk by and they're

1076
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: talking to him and hebib Be like, yeah, I was

1077
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: just in uh GSP's Instagram dms trying to talk to

1078
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 2: him about if he's gonna come back. So though, Luke,

1079
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 2: I don't believe anything, Data said, Okay, let's let's let's

1080
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: wait till we get a microphone in front of Habib

1081
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 2: if he says, maybe I'll believe that. Maybe from where

1082
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 2: I stand, Habib's not coming back. But does everybody have

1083
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 2: a price for the million dollar man. Of course, Luke,

1084
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 2: it's still not out of the out of the realm

1085
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 2: of possible ability that if Connor McGregor beats Dustin Pourier,

1086
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: that the UFC does not throw stupid record breaking money

1087
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 2: at Habib and that he might look at the reality

1088
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,919
Speaker 2: of it, talk to his family and go, yeah, I'll

1089
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: smash this guy one more time, and we're all gonna

1090
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: be retired, you know, for the rest of our lives,

1091
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: and our grandkids will eat well.

1092
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 3: I mean, it was a cheap ploy to get attention

1093
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 3: for this fight this weekend, this past weekend.

1094
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 2: It is a cheap ploy fighting Charles olivera next.

1095
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I know, I know, it was just a cheap

1096
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: ploy to get attention for this one. I mean, I

1097
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 3: guess I do think that they want and we're gonna

1098
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 3: be enough to come back and fight one more time.

1099
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 3: I don't think that that's I don't think that that's

1100
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: false necessarily, but you know the way in which it

1101
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 3: was presented.

1102
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: They even put out a.

1103
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 3: Press release being like check in at three on the ABC.

1104
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 3: It's like, Okay, this is what this is about. It's

1105
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 3: just trying to get eyeballs for something. That is not

1106
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 3: necessarily something that is eyeball ready or you know, again,

1107
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: if you accept Dana's version of things, and I sort

1108
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: of treat what he says as like a one championship pronouncement,

1109
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 3: It's like, I can't say that it's fall, but I'm

1110
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 3: not really ready to accept it without further documentation. Even then,

1111
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 3: he wasn't ready to commit to anything.

1112
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: His whole point was, well, we'll see bla blah blah blah.

1113
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 3: I mean, how how ready is he to do that

1114
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 3: kind of a thing until he says it? To your point, BC,

1115
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not ready to listen to anything. I mean,

1116
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 3: for folks who may not remember this, Dana White lied

1117
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 3: on the record to media about matters related to the

1118
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 3: season when it was Rich Franklin and Tito Ortiz and

1119
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: Chuck Ladell on The Ultimate Fighter, and everyone kind of

1120
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 3: laughed it off, like, oh, well, it's The Ultimate Fighter,

1121
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 3: you know, who cares about that. It's like, dude, if

1122
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 3: you're gonna give an interview to the press and you're

1123
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: gonna knowingly say something false and then be like, who cares?

1124
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: It's about a TV show?

1125
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: You know, Okay, you can do that, certainly, there's nothing

1126
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: illegal about that. But then your credibility as someone who

1127
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 3: wants to make further subsequent statements, even if you hold

1128
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 3: a position of power, they deserve to be questioned. So

1129
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: I would like to hear Numa Gameadov's side of things

1130
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 3: on this one. And then to the point BC, it

1131
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 3: was like it was just so manufactured, I think, is

1132
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 3: what really I hated about it. It's like, we're gonna

1133
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 3: make this big doing what could he say what it'd be?

1134
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 3: It was just it was just a trick to get

1135
00:50:04,239 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 3: cheap attention for something that ultimately was a nothing burger

1136
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: that ultimately was a thing that got me. It's like,

1137
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 3: we have this great event that they did a lot

1138
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,399
Speaker 3: of work to put on. They had a great main

1139
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 3: event ready to go, this new arena. There were fans

1140
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 3: back there. The fans, to my knowledge what I could hear,

1141
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 3: didn't really woo. It was good to hear them. I

1142
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: think for the most part, can we just make it

1143
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 3: about that? And by the way, you got Connor fighting

1144
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 3: next weekend, Like, we don't need this, this is overkill,

1145
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 3: and it under delivered in the biggest way imaginable.

1146
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 2: So and look at it was a dog look the

1147
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: promotion's history has been to over flood the market with

1148
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: interim or vacant titles, and I get the arguments we

1149
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: have had in the past where you support it only

1150
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 2: for the money it brings fiders, blah blah blah. I

1151
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: think it, you know, waters down the titles. The fact

1152
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 2: that they're not doing it for this weekend's card is

1153
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 2: just mind blowing to me. And in Connor now in

1154
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: two interviews, because I also listened to the one he

1155
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: did with Ariel, he seems to blame not being a

1156
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 2: you know, at least an interim title at Steak in

1157
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,399
Speaker 2: this one on that DM argument him and Data had

1158
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,439
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. It's surprising to me, but it's weird

1159
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: that Data comes out and the first thing he says is,

1160
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 2: like Habib said he didn't want to hold up the division. Dude,

1161
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,600
Speaker 2: we're holding up the damn division. We're going into a

1162
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:22,280
Speaker 2: doubleheader on Saturday of like must see killer lightweight fights

1163
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: in the in the most competitive and amazing division in

1164
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 2: the sport. I mean, I don't have to tell you

1165
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: that Chandler Hooker is like a fight of the year

1166
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 2: waiting to happen. And oh, by the way, it's got

1167
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 2: so much at stake in it, and we don't know

1168
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: like who the champion is, or who's gonna fight next

1169
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: to the title, or is it Bibe gonna come back?

1170
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: So this is really the big failure of it all

1171
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 2: that you're kind of under selling. I mean, look, when

1172
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor fights, you don't even have to sell it.

1173
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 2: It's gonna sell. But I think that they're kind of

1174
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 2: missing the boat here. They're under selling what Connor dustin

1175
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 2: two by at the very least not putting an interim title,

1176
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 2: And I think what they should do in the whole situation,

1177
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 2: it's got a freaking answer right now, b Ibe, You're

1178
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 2: either in or you're out. All right, I'm not playing

1179
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 2: in the sun to you. I'm blaming it on data.

1180
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 2: I love you, Habib, but be in or out. We

1181
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 2: should be knowing Saturday, the second that main event ends,

1182
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 2: who's fighting for the title next. Instead, we have no idea.

1183
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: Is it gonna be Charles Olivera, is it gonna be

1184
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 2: gsp Is it gonna be Habib? I mean, what the

1185
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 2: hell are we.

1186
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Doing here, Luke, I'm going to ignore that that thing

1187
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: even happened.

1188
00:52:20,719 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 3: Uh If Habib is back. Well, no, it's not gonna

1189
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 3: be a secret, you know what I mean. Like, if

1190
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 3: Habib decides like, okay, you know what, I'm ready to

1191
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 3: come back one more time, whoever it's against, it's not

1192
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: gonna be a secret. It will spill out into the

1193
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: information ecosystem like a volcano erupting. You couldn't miss it.

1194
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: So when that happens, you could sit back and just

1195
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: watch the eruption.

1196
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 3: And then then then we can decide, Okay, well, maybe

1197
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,359
Speaker 3: he has an opponent, maybe he doesn't. We can make

1198
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: some choices about what to say at that point. But

1199
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 3: it's like we're gonna sit here and try and pull

1200
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 3: blood from stone for a cheap titillation and it underdelivers.

1201
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: It's like, can we.

1202
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 3: Not do dumb fuck fuck games anymore and just worry

1203
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 3: about things that are actually happening.

1204
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: That's just my sense of things.

1205
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so look real quick, and I ask you this legitimately,

1206
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 2: because Dana's job is always to put the UFC in

1207
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,680
Speaker 2: their finances first, even if he has to sell the

1208
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 2: soul of himself or the rankings or all that. I mean,

1209
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, we've seen it so many times, people getting

1210
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: title shots that don't deserve it? Blah blah blah. Is

1211
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: this a fail that when Habib retired, they didn't take

1212
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,080
Speaker 2: the belt away from him, knowing that Dustin Connor two

1213
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 2: this weekend could be for the full title. I mean,

1214
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 2: you could be exiting this weekend with Connor McGregor as

1215
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: a champion. Yeah, and Habib still could come back, by

1216
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: the way, at any point, and you could make Connor

1217
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: Habib too and come back and win his belt back.

1218
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:43,760
Speaker 2: Shouldn't you take the short term gain that is putting

1219
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 2: a title here at stake? Isn't this a miss?

1220
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1221
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 3: I mean listen, if they wanted to try and cajole

1222
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 3: Habib back, this is the thing about it, I don't

1223
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 3: I mean, who could really be against that? I mean, yeah, okay,

1224
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: there's a case to be made for just leaving Habib alone,

1225
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: but a promoter is not going to do that, and

1226
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 3: that's just reality. Habib should know that too. You know,

1227
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: he's a grown man, he's a big boy. He can

1228
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: he can fend off these things if it's something he

1229
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: doesn't want to do, and so I don't mind UFC

1230
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 3: trying to do that per se. It's just okay, what

1231
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 3: do you do with what you have left over. You

1232
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 3: got your biggest star coming back. If Habib is in,

1233
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 3: he probably gonna fight the winner of this fight, no

1234
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 3: matter what. If he's out, then the winner of this

1235
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: fight is probably your front rope and or you know,

1236
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 3: leading contender to get the belt. Yeah, the interim belt

1237
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 3: is kind of phony, but no one would really begrudge

1238
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 3: the status that this fight has and has been conferred

1239
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: upon it by basically what the division has told us

1240
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 3: at this point about who's at the top. So it's like,

1241
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 3: you know, is it a huge misfire. I don't know

1242
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 3: if it's a huge misfire, but it doesn't feel like

1243
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:47,919
Speaker 3: best practices either.

1244
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 2: He means, Dana afraid that Poier is gonna win it

1245
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 2: and that it'll screw up all the plans. Is this

1246
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 2: like a hey, just in case Poorier wins it, we'll

1247
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 2: keep the bell on Habib because if Poorier wins them,

1248
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 2: we'll put Habib in there and somebody else for the title.

1249
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what he's thinking here, Luke.

1250
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think Habib really respects Dustin,

1251
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,919
Speaker 3: but he knows he's just so much better than him

1252
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,920
Speaker 3: as a fighter. He's uninterested, He has no desire to

1253
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 3: fight Connor again because he hates his guts And so

1254
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 3: you've got the Chandler hooker thing. Is that really gonna

1255
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 3: draw his attention?

1256
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: Maybe?

1257
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 2: Great? Then then how about Max? How about Max? Some

1258
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: people talked about this afterward. John Anna had a good

1259
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 2: interview with Max in the Tunnel afterwards where they talked

1260
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 2: about this. Would you be upset if Max Holloway got

1261
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 2: elevated into a lightweight title bout for thirty and oh

1262
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: against Habib?

1263
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 3: No, I think he's an interesting matchup for Habib. I

1264
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 3: really do. I think that his takedown defense is good.

1265
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: You know.

1266
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 3: I think Habib will get a takedown, no doubt about it.

1267
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 3: I think Habib is gonna win rounds. Habib should be

1268
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,279
Speaker 3: favored to win that contest, but I think Max could

1269
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 3: make it exciting in parts. I think Max would be

1270
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 3: an interesting challenge and I wouldn't mind that at all.

1271
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 2: No, could Max get up at all if Habib took

1272
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 2: him down? I all got it. I want to see that.

1273
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do too, all right, Last, but not least,

1274
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 3: then we'll get to some of the rest of the

1275
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 3: pieces of the show.

1276
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: Here point number five. We did have.

1277
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: Some I believe the UC didn't announce, but maybe confirmed

1278
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 3: some news about UFC two to sixty two title fights

1279
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 3: that we know we're gonna be in that card Steve

1280
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: a versus Francis two and Volkanowski versus or take a

1281
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 3: big doings for Featherway BC. Your early sense about how

1282
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: those two fights shake out.

1283
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 2: I don't know, and that's what makes it great. Look,

1284
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,400
Speaker 2: this is another another freaking balls out, must see UFC

1285
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 2: card to open the year again, Dana, salute twenty twenty one.

1286
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 2: The first eight cards now through the end of March.

1287
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 2: They're loaded. They're freaking loaded, Luke. I don't know who's

1288
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 2: gonna win either of these title fights. That tells you

1289
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 2: they're great freaking fights. We need them both to advance

1290
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: the conversation so we can get potentially John Jones against

1291
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 2: the winner in the heavyweight later this year, and Max

1292
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 2: Holloway maybe against the winner later this year. They are

1293
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: so set up, Luke, to freaking dominate this year. I'm excited.

1294
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: I'm a fan, I'm a journalist. My family eats better

1295
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 2: when the UFC does better. There's good time here, Luke.

1296
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, no doubt about it.

1297
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: In my early senses, I wonder if I mean Francis

1298
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 3: landed on Stepe a few times and like shook his

1299
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: head in the process. It's like, can you get away

1300
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 3: with that a second time?

1301
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: You know? Do I think Stepe is overall the better fighter? Yeah?

1302
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 1: Like is he more well rounded and blah blah blah.

1303
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: Can he do more? Yes? I certainly think that is true.

1304
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 2: How much has changed in Steepe's punch resistance compared to

1305
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: the first one?

1306
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: Right?

1307
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 2: And is that? Where does that match up to? How

1308
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: much and Ganu has improved of as a fighter. It's

1309
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: it's a great fricking fight.

1310
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 3: Yes, And and if and Ganu's cardio is better as well? Right,

1311
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: I mean how much?

1312
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe he gets taken down.

1313
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 3: For two rounds, but by the third he's still not

1314
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 3: not in terrible shape, like you can come back out

1315
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: and still throw a decent punch. We'll have to see

1316
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: exactly what the situation with that is. So I tend

1317
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 3: to think the second one will be much more competitive,

1318
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 3: but we'll see.

1319
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: Again.

1320
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: This is what's so interesting about Volkanovsky that I just

1321
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: he has got to be least appreciated champion because one

1322
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: understandably the fights that he had for the title were

1323
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 3: all very close. You know, when he beat Aldo, he

1324
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,720
Speaker 3: was kind of, you know, definitive, but lackluster. The Mendez

1325
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 3: fight was nice because he knocked him out and he

1326
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: actually got dropped in that one. But in general, when

1327
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 3: he's been at the top, it's been these really close affairs.

1328
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 3: The key to of Volkanovsky's game, though, is he is

1329
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 3: so hard to hit. He's not a stationary target. He

1330
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 3: is moving, fainting, faking angle, changing up, high, low, side

1331
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 3: to side, you know, in the middle, on the out

1332
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 3: constantly all the time. And he's a perpetual motion machine.

1333
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: So when Max gets an opponent who basically stands in

1334
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 3: front of him, he's like, oh, this is target practice.

1335
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I'll just tee off on this guy all day.

1336
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 3: So I tend to think that Volkanovski is going to

1337
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,560
Speaker 3: beat uh Brian Ortega and we're gonna get Max versus

1338
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: Volkanovski three, which I could tell you I could not

1339
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 3: be more excited for.

1340
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,720
Speaker 2: I could easily see myself or any other pundit not

1341
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 2: that our picks ever matter, picking the underdog in both

1342
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 2: of these title fights. And that's great when you're in

1343
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 2: that spot. Luke, tell me if my Layman's summation of

1344
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: Alexander Volkanowski is true. Right here, you're ready for this,

1345
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 2: ready for this, Luke master, chess player master. Right, Maybe

1346
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 2: some of the moves in planning we've never seen before.

1347
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: He's Bobby Fischer, okay, Jeremy Shapp situation, notwithstanding bad comparison.

1348
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 2: So if he can outplay you in chess, he can

1349
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: beat every single person he steps in the cage across. Right.

1350
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 2: He's quick, he's smart, he's daring, he's all that. But

1351
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 2: if you can match his wits like Max did in

1352
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 2: the rematch. And again, I know Max didn't get the NOD.

1353
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 2: I know you've also watched it forty nine times. I

1354
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 2: only saw it once. I still think Max one, if

1355
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: you can match his wits and it comes down then

1356
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 2: meaning you know you can match his game planning, you

1357
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 2: can counter what he does and force him to adapt

1358
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 2: encounter to you. And if those parts are equal, then

1359
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: it might come down to size and speed and power.

1360
00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: And I think Volkanovsky can get out gunned by these

1361
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:03,560
Speaker 2: guys if they can equal his mind. Max equaled his mind.

1362
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,120
Speaker 2: Now Volcovs goes an outgunned two or three judges still

1363
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: thought he beat Max. Fine, but I thought when that

1364
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 2: fight became even, meaning Max figured him out, Max's length

1365
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: his you know, it was a different ballgame. Or take

1366
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,080
Speaker 2: us a big dude, and he showed us against Zombie

1367
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 2: that that you know, the two years off, there's next

1368
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: level thinking going on here, there's speed, there's craft. Uh

1369
01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, he used to be a jiu jitsu or

1370
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 2: nothing guy. He's a well rounded guy now if he

1371
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: can if he can prove on that chess board, I

1372
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 2: got you, then I'm gonna take him, Luke. Then I'm

1373
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: gonna take him if all things are even. We don't

1374
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:40,280
Speaker 2: know if all things are even until they get in there.

1375
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: And again, I'm not trying to simplify it as that simple,

1376
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 2: because as Volkanovski showed us in that Max rematch, he

1377
01:00:45,840 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 2: does have plans B, C, D and E. But if

1378
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 2: you can equal that one thing he does that seems

1379
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 2: next level, super worldly, the way that his mind is

1380
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: three steps ahead, and you make it more of a

1381
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 2: physical fight. He's a little bit short, Luke, I don't

1382
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 2: know if he matches up the same with the he's

1383
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: super super elite guys. Am I speaking cash bullshit from

1384
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 2: the back the roller station at Cumbose Farms, because that's

1385
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 2: where I cook this up.

1386
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,919
Speaker 1: Luke. Yes, Yeah, that's a bit of a stretched hypothesis

1387
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: that I don't think matches with reality, but.

1388
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: I think it's right on. I think it's dead on, Luke.

1389
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, you also thought that the beat was better

1390
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: than you know, Max Holloway.

1391
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 2: So okay, Hey, Luke, Hey, Luke, show me where's the

1392
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 2: beats lost?

1393
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,919
Speaker 1: All right? Show me where he's fought five rounds against somebody.

1394
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. I'm just saying, like LeVar Ball, he's

1395
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: undefeated until we see him lose, Okay, Luke. So what

1396
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm saying is I'm gonna you know what I see

1397
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,439
Speaker 2: when I look at it, Luke, I see a guy

1398
01:01:38,440 --> 01:01:39,920
Speaker 2: that's gonna be a lot harder to figure out than

1399
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 2: you realize.

1400
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's move along here. That's our top five.

1401
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: Now's a chance for you to ask us questions. It

1402
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 1: is time for d ms from dogs bump out a bump, bump,

1403
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:51,400
Speaker 1: bump bump.

1404
01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: Alright, BC, we'll go first to at strike dot MX

1405
01:01:57,320 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 3: was Saturday Night a better version of Max or a

1406
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 3: more prime example of quote. There are levels to this game.

1407
01:02:06,040 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 2: Both Luke.

1408
01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, it's both. It's exactly both.

1409
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 2: All right, thank you strike Max. That was easy.

1410
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: That was super easy, all right at javvy Rod eleven

1411
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 3: twenty three. Well, Vulkanowski, you ever get to respect this

1412
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 3: champ with Max going out and putting on performances like Saturday,

1413
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:22,720
Speaker 3: good question.

1414
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 2: First of all, not at Cumberland Farms, all right, not

1415
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 2: in Brian Campbell's house. I love I love Volkanowska. I'm

1416
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 2: not team CKB for life like you. I give him

1417
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 2: a lot of respect. I do feel for him here, Luke,

1418
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,200
Speaker 2: He's in a no win situation. Max is maybe his

1419
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: toughest available challenge, and you know the UFC is going

1420
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 2: to go out of their way to push it on

1421
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 2: him after he fights Ortega, which could be sneaky, his

1422
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 2: toughest challenge. So despite the fact that he's the champion, Luke,

1423
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 2: he's kind of in a no win spot. If he

1424
01:02:49,480 --> 01:02:52,080
Speaker 2: doesn't look like he wants to fight Max a third time,

1425
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 2: then he looks like a pussy, right, But in his

1426
01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 2: mind it's like already beat him twice, So I get

1427
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 2: where he's coming from completely, Luke. But yes, the way Mac,

1428
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 2: the way Volkanovsky beats you is more with his mind.

1429
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 2: Max does a little bit more demonstrably. It's and it

1430
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: just happened. It's easy to be like, you know what,

1431
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 2: you know, Max, Max is gonna win that third fight,

1432
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:12,440
Speaker 2: and Luke, I'm probably gonna favor him to win.

1433
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:12,840
Speaker 1: Listen.

1434
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 3: There's a high premium placed on excitement and you know,

1435
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 3: style and pizazz and entertainment.

1436
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: There just is. And vulcanized my.

1437
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: Career right there, Luke, you explained my whole career.

1438
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1439
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I didn't say anonymity, but uh but I'm teasing.

1440
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: I'm teasing. But that's pretty good, bird, Luke.

1441
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 2: Not well done right there.

1442
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 3: Right but here, listen, here's here's the point about it.

1443
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:44,440
Speaker 3: The point is, you know, Volkanovsky wins on talent. I'm

1444
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: just ridiculous. And he's got, I mean though, some of

1445
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 3: the best tactics in all of them in May, but

1446
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 3: he doesn't really have at least not late of late.

1447
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 3: He doesn't have all the other stuff that Max has.

1448
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,560
Speaker 3: Plus people like Max as a person, I don't think

1449
01:03:55,560 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 3: they really know Volkanovsky all that well. So will he

1450
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 3: ever get the respect I mean that We'll see, But

1451
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 3: you know, as long as it keeps doing what Max

1452
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 3: is doing, on what Volkanovsky is doing, then no, he'll

1453
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: forever remain on the back foot. From at Dilio Underscore two,

1454
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 3: DC was saying, it's somewhat joking on the broadcast, but

1455
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 3: do you think there will be an uptick infighters who

1456
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,959
Speaker 3: refrain from sparring during training camp?

1457
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: You see?

1458
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 2: I think that's the future, dude. I mean we've already

1459
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,560
Speaker 2: sort of gotten there. And what I mean by that is, like,

1460
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 2: let's talk boxing, right. Part of why guys didn't have

1461
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: great success into their thirties in boxing back in the

1462
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,840
Speaker 2: day was it because of things called gym wars. Right,

1463
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 2: You're in these loaded gyms and you're just I mean

1464
01:04:38,360 --> 01:04:40,479
Speaker 2: we see that today in these super teams of MMA,

1465
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 2: and you're in these loaded gyms. Think you know Milita's

1466
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 2: Jim and Iowa, you're just I mean, you have to

1467
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 2: prove yourself, Luke, day in and day out, where these

1468
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 2: sparring matches become brawls and wars. That's the quickest way

1469
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 2: to be to getting washed. It's also a great way

1470
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 2: to sharpen your skills and become tough as nails and

1471
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: have a nice run. But it's not great for longevity, Luke,

1472
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,480
Speaker 2: and I think we're seeing this in a lot. I

1473
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 2: mean that we're seeing that in the NFL over the

1474
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 2: years too, Luke, I think we're seeing that the less

1475
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 2: damage you put on yourself when it doesn't matter, when

1476
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: you've already reached a level of let's say, like mastery,

1477
01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:16,680
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, what can you gain from

1478
01:05:16,720 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 2: the extra damage that comes if you've already proven you're tough,

1479
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 2: you've already been through wars. Yes, you have to sharpen

1480
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 2: your skills to a certain degree, but I think we

1481
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 2: learned that in boxing along the way, that you know,

1482
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: sustained head trauma is not going to lead to a

1483
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,320
Speaker 2: sustained career. So why don't you have that head trauma

1484
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: in the fights, Luke? Not in in you know. I

1485
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: know in this case we're talking about Max. We're talking

1486
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:41,160
Speaker 2: about how he trained over Zoom two fights ago. We're

1487
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 2: talking about, you know, a totally forced situation because of

1488
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 2: COVID and him being on the island and all that.

1489
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 2: But Luke, I mean, how do how do quarterbacks age

1490
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 2: better these days? Part because the rule changes allows for

1491
01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,320
Speaker 2: less damage, But you know they wear the red shirt

1492
01:05:58,360 --> 01:05:59,160
Speaker 2: in practice for a.

1493
01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 3: Reason, right, yeah. Also, you know Pedes there's that as well.

1494
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 3: The thing I would say is I'm a little bit

1495
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 3: less willing to believe this. I mean, yes, obviously there

1496
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 3: has been a strain of barbarism in training that needs

1497
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 3: to get weeded out. You know, Jim Moores is the

1498
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 3: great example. But I mean, here's the thing. I was like,

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01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 3: I don't know how you get better in wrestling and

1500
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 3: jiu jitsu without incessant sparring.

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01:06:23,600 --> 01:06:24,040
Speaker 1: I don't.

1502
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 3: You will lose those things very quickly. I don't know

1503
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 3: how you can even progress from belt to belt without it.

1504
01:06:29,120 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 3: It's a key part of it. Now, the question is

1505
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:33,360
Speaker 3: probably more about striking on the feet. Here's the thing

1506
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:37,480
Speaker 3: about Max. Max started at very young, right, He's he's

1507
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 3: he's been fighting u you know, on his feet for

1508
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:44,160
Speaker 3: fifteen years at this point, right, probably more on some levels.

1509
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: And does he need to.

1510
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,479
Speaker 3: Go out there to get his timing down, to get

1511
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 3: his rhythm down, to go do hard sparring. Probably not,

1512
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 3: Probably not, because he's so far advanced into his development

1513
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 3: that that doesn't really add much and it takes away

1514
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: a lot in terms of the damage. But like, if

1515
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: you have three fights into your pro career, you're just

1516
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 3: going to not spar during camp. You need that development.

1517
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 3: You got to get to the point where you can

1518
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,640
Speaker 3: be the max Holloway where then you can then dial

1519
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 3: it back a little bit. So I'm all for more

1520
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,200
Speaker 3: humane training. I'm all for no gym wars. I'm all

1521
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 3: for situational sparring. You know where you're actually in the

1522
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 3: in the act of working on your timing, but there's

1523
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 3: less risk because you're not worried about the totality of things.

1524
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: You're just you know, focused on a very particular kind

1525
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,960
Speaker 3: of challenge in that moment. Those things can really help

1526
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: you and you can avoid the most amount of gym damage.

1527
01:07:35,240 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 3: But like they're just gonna stop sparring. It's like that

1528
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: seems like a bad idea. Sparring actually has real benefits.

1529
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,560
Speaker 3: You just got to know how to limit it and

1530
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 3: minimize it to where it doesn't, you know, really have

1531
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 3: long term effects.

1532
01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 2: Look knocked out cold.

1533
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: I've been flash kod, I've been flash Ko. I've never

1534
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,320
Speaker 1: had like Ko smelling salt kind of thing.

1535
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, flash knockdown and boxing sparring, but I never

1536
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: had that full on. I always wonder what it'd be like, Luke,

1537
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: maybe one of our you know, listeners, will will show

1538
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:10,040
Speaker 2: that to us one day. Let's see how I can

1539
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: offend Luke.

1540
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: Let's keep going, all right?

1541
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 3: At z Riggs, I tend to think Connor Dustin to

1542
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,040
Speaker 3: one isn't as big of a factor as people make

1543
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: it out to be. Different weight class, different kinds of experience,

1544
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,240
Speaker 3: since one having a massively impressive record at one to

1545
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,000
Speaker 3: fifty five, since the first fight?

1546
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 1: Am I on target with this thought? No, what do

1547
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 1: you think? BC?

1548
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: Wait? What are you saying? No to he say this?

1549
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:31,320
Speaker 1: Man?

1550
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: Z Riggs is what is he saying?

1551
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: Luke?

1552
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:33,720
Speaker 2: That was you read that?

1553
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: Quick?

1554
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,719
Speaker 2: To sum it up to me what he's actually saying?

1555
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 3: He's saying, you know, Oh well, look at the way

1556
01:08:38,080 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 3: that the first fight between these two went, it might

1557
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:43,440
Speaker 3: foretell what will happen in the second, you know, not exactly,

1558
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 3: but that there's lessons from that first fight that have

1559
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: implications for a second. I mean that is quite clearly true. Yes, yes,

1560
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 3: I mean I wrote I wrote this on Twitter, which, again,

1561
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 3: Twitter is a great place for people flex the fact

1562
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 3: that they don't have reading comprehension skills, or they want

1563
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 3: to pretend that they don't understand your point.

1564
01:08:59,360 --> 01:09:00,559
Speaker 1: So they can argue different one.

1565
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 3: But if you look at all of the first rounds

1566
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 3: that Connor McGregor has had, he's only lost two of them.

1567
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 3: And the only two he lost were to Chad Mendez

1568
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 3: and Havebibn made off two guys who decided to wrestle.

1569
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,960
Speaker 3: So what does that tell you? Every time he had

1570
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,960
Speaker 3: an opponent who stood with him on the feet in

1571
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 3: the first round, they either lost outright via stoppage or

1572
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,759
Speaker 3: they lost that round. He has never lost a first

1573
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,639
Speaker 3: round on the feet. He is very good on when

1574
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 3: skills generally b C. And when he starts, dude, he

1575
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:30,120
Speaker 3: is dialed in from the word go. He is ready

1576
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,040
Speaker 3: with range right away. He's very impressive that way.

1577
01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 2: So you could you see Porier coming out with that

1578
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: in round one?

1579
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 3: Yes, I think he should. I think he should clinch

1580
01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 3: and wrestle him against the fence.

1581
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 2: And rye strong though Connor's physically stronger. And then and

1582
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 2: people give him credit for have we seen Porier do

1583
01:09:50,240 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: that in a big fight in recent years, take someone

1584
01:09:52,200 --> 01:09:53,720
Speaker 2: down early and look to work that that.

1585
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 1: I think he's mixed it up a little bit, but

1586
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: not like that.

1587
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,559
Speaker 3: I mean, this is why it's an this is why

1588
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 3: Pier has uphill climb the first three rounds. After that,

1589
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: I think it's his fight to lose.

1590
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,240
Speaker 2: But I mean that's why the odds are kind of

1591
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 2: large against him. I'm surprised. I mean, like I get again,

1592
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:11,520
Speaker 2: we've talked in the past that betting odds are inflated

1593
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,880
Speaker 2: for certain reasons to draw betting. But like to see

1594
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 2: Connor is like a minus three hundred favorite and a

1595
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,560
Speaker 2: fight that yeah, I mean, it's gotta be. It's a

1596
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: fifty I mean, like fifty to fifty is a term

1597
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,280
Speaker 2: that that can mean, you know, bigger or smaller things.

1598
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: But to me, Luke, what however, however big your strike

1599
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 2: zone is, I'm calling something a fifty to fifty fight.

1600
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 2: It's a freaking fifty to fifty to fifty fight, Luke.

1601
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 2: It is.

1602
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just that the key weakness that Dustin Poria

1603
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:35,800
Speaker 3: has he's not a slow starter in the way that

1604
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 3: Serroni was, but he does get stung a little bit early,

1605
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,759
Speaker 3: and you got a guy who does his stinging early

1606
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 3: the way when she got stopped in the first one.

1607
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: It does have some implications for the second one, is

1608
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: that is that what's gonna happen, you know, I guess

1609
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: we'll have to see exactly what I mean. And to

1610
01:10:49,960 --> 01:10:52,559
Speaker 3: your point, I don't think Connor is gonna get taken

1611
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 3: down by Portie. I don't think his wrestling's on that.

1612
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,559
Speaker 3: You could maybe take him down if like Connor was

1613
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 3: charging in with punches and then you level changed and

1614
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:00,639
Speaker 3: picked him up and then took him down that way.

1615
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 3: He took Gaetgie down that way, So yes, in that sense,

1616
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,719
Speaker 3: but like against the fence, Connor's take down against the fence,

1617
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 3: or excuse me, take down defence along defence, it's pretty good.

1618
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 3: It's pretty good. So no, But my point is it's

1619
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 3: not that BC. It's just to drain him. It's just

1620
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,639
Speaker 3: to make the arms heavy. It's just to make him

1621
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 3: a little bit tired, take him from being like ready

1622
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 3: to go to a little bit of a heavy breath

1623
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 3: where he's not exactly the same kind of threat and

1624
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,599
Speaker 3: then began to open up.

1625
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Luke. Oh yeah, I've seen

1626
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: a lot of interviews with Connor's coaches this past two weeks,

1627
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: and I are there's some names I don't recognize. Is

1628
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 2: Owen Roddy not in the mix?

1629
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:37,879
Speaker 1: Anymore.

1630
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. I'm not sure I saw what you saw,

1631
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 3: which was some new dude in a bathrobe who just

1632
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,519
Speaker 3: very very confidently does interviews in bathrobes. I don't know

1633
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 3: where Owen Roddy is.

1634
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 2: It's a good question if you got it, Luke Flawnt right.

1635
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: Hey, I guess so all right.

1636
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 3: Lastly, not leastly from at Scott dot McCrate, Luke, have

1637
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 3: you ever had any run ins with the dude that

1638
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 3: always chalks up before every set?

1639
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: If BC lifted weights, that would be him.

1640
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 3: He'd have gloves and then he'd put chalk on his

1641
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:12,520
Speaker 3: gloves while wearing lifting straps for shrugs.

1642
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm certain.

1643
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: No.

1644
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 3: I tend to stay away from the agro gyms where

1645
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 3: that shit happens. The most things that I have to

1646
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 3: worry about is, you know, just some dude using it

1647
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 3: for too long, or using something incorrectly. Most people don't

1648
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,679
Speaker 3: want to spend a ton of time squatting, deadlifting or benching.

1649
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 3: They want to spend time, you know, quarter squatting or

1650
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 3: you know, curling, do a lot of curls they like.

1651
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: They don't like doing the actual hard work, So the

1652
01:12:42,360 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 3: gym I don't worry about that.

1653
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:47,639
Speaker 2: What else fits this stereotype short shorts, right, that fits

1654
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: the stereotype of being like the chalk guy. You gotta

1655
01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 2: scream really loud.

1656
01:12:51,439 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 3: You wear you gotta wear the you gotta wear the

1657
01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: tank tops that are cut out, you know, like real

1658
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:58,920
Speaker 3: close so your nipples hang out the side, you know.

1659
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 2: So you can see these high Yeah, you want to

1660
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 2: show off your high abs. And also you got to

1661
01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 2: carry the the one gallon jug of poland spring. But

1662
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 2: rip the label off, right, you.

1663
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:12,680
Speaker 3: Know, that's exactly who it is, That's exactly that's totally right.

1664
01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 3: There are people who just do their identity is the gym,

1665
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,040
Speaker 3: Like they don't have a personality if it wasn't for

1666
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: that activity.

1667
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: Now where are you on notebook? The notebook in the pen?

1668
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 2: Can that be normal or is that stereotypical?

1669
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 3: I tend so here's what I think I've done that

1670
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 3: at the gym. It just becomes a pain in the

1671
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:32,479
Speaker 3: ass to carry around. If you don't work out with

1672
01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:36,479
Speaker 3: a program structure, you know, whether it's prel Pins or

1673
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 3: anybody else, what's gonna end up happening is you might

1674
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:41,880
Speaker 3: get stronger, but it's not going to be as much

1675
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,280
Speaker 3: as possible, and you might just stall out because you

1676
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 3: really have to have a program designed for you know, progression,

1677
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:55,120
Speaker 3: and you can't do that without structure and so making

1678
01:13:55,160 --> 01:13:56,920
Speaker 3: sure that you count the reps. Blah blah blah.

1679
01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.

1680
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:00,640
Speaker 3: I always say, it's your only You shouldn't be in

1681
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 3: the gym more than an hour hour and a half

1682
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:05,439
Speaker 3: at the fucking most, right, not including your warm up.

1683
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,720
Speaker 3: And it's not hard to memorize what you're supposed to

1684
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 3: be doing. Put it on your phone if you have to.

1685
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 3: You should know I'm gonna do these five or six

1686
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 3: exercises or whatever it is, what the set's gonna be,

1687
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 3: and what the rep range is supposed to be or

1688
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 3: rpe if you're into that, Like, you don't need to

1689
01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 3: have a notebook with you to do that. So to me,

1690
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:24,639
Speaker 3: it's a little bit overkill. But I'm not gonna beat

1691
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 3: up somebody who's at least trying to do something the

1692
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:28,840
Speaker 3: right way. I think that's there.

1693
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: About the jerks who bring the giant workout bag from

1694
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 2: bench to bench, station to station. You know, I'm talking

1695
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:35,599
Speaker 2: about the giant Duffel bag.

1696
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,320
Speaker 3: You know, well, yeah, that you could put you know,

1697
01:14:38,479 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 3: four showtime staffers in it. Yes, yeah, they're they're the

1698
01:14:42,280 --> 01:14:43,120
Speaker 3: dirt holes as well.

1699
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 1: Or the guys.

1700
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: Hold on, there's one more. There's one more. There's the

1701
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:50,439
Speaker 3: guy who shows up like people ask, what are good

1702
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 3: weightlifting shoes? If the gym allows it? Barefoot for deadlifting,

1703
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 3: certainly sometimes for squatting, but you don't need it for that.

1704
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: Other than that you need.

1705
01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 2: You will go on a plane barefoot. But yeah, let's

1706
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,719
Speaker 2: let's lift waits and sweat around other people barefoot.

1707
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,040
Speaker 3: That's great, Luke, Yes, you should do a barefoot Yes,

1708
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 3: let's let's let's keep a dirty thing dirty, let's not

1709
01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:10,719
Speaker 3: get a clean thing dirty. But okay, but here's the point.

1710
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,960
Speaker 3: If not Chuck Taylor's or just any kind of flat

1711
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 3: like boat shoes, that's all you really need. You don't

1712
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 3: need all that other bullshit you don't need. How about

1713
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: the guys who wear sweatpants and then wrestling shoes. Those

1714
01:15:21,040 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 3: are my favorite, those fucking jerk jobs. I hope every

1715
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,919
Speaker 3: one of them tears a fucking uh you know, Adysca.

1716
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:29,760
Speaker 2: Well, the final stereotype for these guys is what you

1717
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,639
Speaker 2: kind of tease the fact that they'll spend three hours there, Luke,

1718
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 2: and they'll they'll stop and talk to somebody for forty

1719
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 2: five minutes while their bag is laid out on a

1720
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,760
Speaker 2: bench and just you know, you can't use it because

1721
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 2: they're bigger than you. I wonder if those guys graduate too,

1722
01:15:42,479 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 2: the old guys with saggy balls, who don't even work out,

1723
01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 2: they just go to the gym to walk around nude

1724
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 2: and locker room for three hours. I wonder if that

1725
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 2: becomes a thing, right they you know, well, it's like

1726
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 2: the end.

1727
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 3: The good news about COVID, such as it exists, is

1728
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: that in DC you're only allowed each individual workout.

1729
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,280
Speaker 1: You have to log in or.

1730
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,840
Speaker 3: Like contact tracing and shit, and you only have ninety

1731
01:16:02,840 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 3: minutes total and then you gotta leave.

1732
01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:06,280
Speaker 1: They don't let you sit around. So people are like

1733
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:07,479
Speaker 1: they're about their.

1734
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 3: Business when they go in there these days, which is

1735
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 3: something kind of nice to see. Or I can just

1736
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 3: work out at home, but that's less of an issue.

1737
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 1: That's less of an issue in the Year of Our

1738
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: Lord twenty twenty.

1739
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 2: One, Luke, I do have to say, like, you know,

1740
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:20,520
Speaker 2: what makes you great, Luke, is that you have blinders

1741
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 2: on certain levels of your own self awareness. And that's

1742
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,360
Speaker 2: why we can you know, mock you in a fun

1743
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 2: way despite the fact that you're bigger than us. But

1744
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 2: working out in your front yard is one of the

1745
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: most ridiculous things I've ever heard.

1746
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 3: Luke really like, Yeah, I'm an embarrassing dad, and fuck

1747
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,240
Speaker 3: all of you, I don't care if I make you uncomfortable.

1748
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna walk around with my balls hanging out of

1749
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,040
Speaker 3: my underwear in my front yard doing inclined bench.

1750
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 2: I mean, look, there is not a place in my

1751
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 2: town that I won't show up day or night with

1752
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 2: pajama pants on, sometimes even with like foot flops and

1753
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 2: no socks in ten degree weather. Like I'll be that

1754
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 2: embarrassing dad and husband because I just don't care. But

1755
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: I won't lift in the front yard, Luke, I mean,

1756
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:58,439
Speaker 2: come on, dude, you gotta have some.

1757
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 1: When you come to DC. You're lifting the front yard

1758
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:06,799
Speaker 1: with me and who are clearly merry to one another,

1759
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,280
Speaker 1: who are now working out. It's quite a nice sight,

1760
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:09,720
Speaker 1: all right.

1761
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 3: With that a mind BC, two dudes working out in

1762
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 3: the front yard with their balls taking out there underwear.

1763
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: Let's go soon. Haves he seen some shit?

1764
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:19,240
Speaker 2: It is the perfect transition. Look, you know what we do.

1765
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 2: We scour the globe for the highs and lows, the good,

1766
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 2: the bad, and the ugly, and combat sports and beyond.

1767
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 2: It's have you seen this shit? Jay our own on

1768
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 2: the ones and twos? Here, let's do it big weekend, Luke.

1769
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 2: For perennial losers as the Buffalo Bills want a playoff game, Hey,

1770
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 2: let's celebrate by power bomb in one of these jerks

1771
01:17:37,800 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 2: to a table hashtag Bills Mafia.

1772
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:42,640
Speaker 1: I hate this fan base.

1773
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Luke. Oh, Canadian journalists love this team, all right.

1774
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 2: Brent Brookhouse of CBS Sports huge Bills fan love it all.

1775
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,120
Speaker 1: I love Brent, but fuck him for this fan base.

1776
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 2: All right, Luke. You want to see a Bill's Mafia

1777
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 2: guy get power bomb through next level tables? How about

1778
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 2: we set it up on fire, Luke, watch this guy? Yeah? Wow,

1779
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:05,439
Speaker 2: got a little on them, Luke.

1780
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 1: I was so I was so hoping they would lose.

1781
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,599
Speaker 1: But they're like Bill's Bill's Mafia.

1782
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 3: None of you are mafia. You live in the worst

1783
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 3: part of the country, your team has sucked forever, and

1784
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:19,160
Speaker 3: all of you are losers.

1785
01:18:19,160 --> 01:18:19,760
Speaker 1: How about that?

1786
01:18:19,880 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow wow?

1787
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,400
Speaker 3: And they'll say they'll be like, oh, your team sucks too, right,

1788
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 3: but we when when y'all had four chances to win

1789
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl, Uh, you didn't, and we had three

1790
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 3: chances and we took all three.

1791
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: So look, you never put Redskins jerseys on before a

1792
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,519
Speaker 2: big game and like take a social media video and

1793
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 2: put it on Twitter of yourself wearing it.

1794
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: I will not buy any gear from the team until

1795
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 3: Snyder has gone period.

1796
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,760
Speaker 2: Matt Snyder of Showtime. Great idea, All right, Luke, Not

1797
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 2: all Bill's fans come out of this in one piece, though.

1798
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: Check a shout out to this guy, Luke.

1799
01:18:52,640 --> 01:18:55,800
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, you live in the worst part

1800
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:56,680
Speaker 1: of the country and this.

1801
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 2: Is what Yeah, I mean, what else you're gonna do? Really?

1802
01:18:58,439 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: What else you got going on with that? I don't

1803
01:18:59,920 --> 01:19:02,479
Speaker 2: know how Rashott Evans came out alive from that area. Okay,

1804
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: John Joneses, you know how he fucking left. Yeah, that's

1805
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 2: a good boy, that's a good point. All right, Hey, Luke,

1806
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: UFC Fight Night. Speaking of Carlos Condent, tell me about

1807
01:19:12,040 --> 01:19:14,680
Speaker 2: this creative takedown against Matt Brown, because I don't this

1808
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: is this is like Chinese to me, Luke, what is.

1809
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 1: This do that? I don't I'm not sure what this

1810
01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:22,960
Speaker 1: is called But that timing on that is sup pperb.

1811
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 2: That's wizardry right there. That's it.

1812
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: You get in behind the first leg and then sweep

1813
01:19:27,360 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: out the post. Uh so watch, I'm such a take down.

1814
01:19:31,960 --> 01:19:34,559
Speaker 2: I'm such a wrestling cash that I thought Matt Brown

1815
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 2: took him down at first, and then the announcers were like,

1816
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,439
Speaker 2: great move by Condent. I didn't even understand what's going on, Luke.

1817
01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 2: It's like another language to me.

1818
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,640
Speaker 3: It is another language. And that was and there was

1819
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 3: a you know here there is a head outside single.

1820
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,760
Speaker 3: But so watch he gets behind the lead and then

1821
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 3: kicks out the post.

1822
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,000
Speaker 1: It's nice. It's a nice piece of work, man, Luke.

1823
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 2: A lot of good knockouts on this undercard. Check out

1824
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,439
Speaker 2: this one captured by Dana White when Joaquim Buckley got

1825
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:59,799
Speaker 2: got by Dick Reco, Luke, Dick.

1826
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: Greek, Oh yeah, we didn't even talk about Dick Rico.

1827
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,599
Speaker 3: He was so bitter at media.

1828
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:05,840
Speaker 1: Remember that you hear all that?

1829
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: Did you? Not only did I see that? Did you hear?

1830
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: Daniel White's press conference ran about it. How he went

1831
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 2: up to congratulate the team and they angrily looked at

1832
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:16,920
Speaker 2: him like, who the f or you get away from Yeah,

1833
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,120
Speaker 2: they know sold the crap out of him. So let's

1834
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 2: get into Dick Rico here. What's the hell di this guys?

1835
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: Lessio Dicarico, Alessio Sakara, Dick Rico.

1836
01:20:25,560 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 2: Uh luke. He was upset both in the cage and

1837
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 2: at the postfight press conference that MMA media does not

1838
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 2: interview the losers after fights. They only focus on the winners. Now,

1839
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,479
Speaker 2: he was coming off a three fight losing streak. Look,

1840
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 2: this is a little bit of buffoonery here, right, I

1841
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:43,679
Speaker 2: mean what most of the time.

1842
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 3: It's it's maybe the dumbest criticism you can make. I mean, listen,

1843
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:49,840
Speaker 3: here's how it works at MMA. If you have an

1844
01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 3: axe to grind and you need a cheap skategoat for

1845
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 3: grand standing, you just get you just dump all of

1846
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,520
Speaker 3: your frustration on the media because there's really no consequence

1847
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 3: to it.

1848
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:04,200
Speaker 1: It's the reflexive choice that they all take. That's what

1849
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: this is.

1850
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 3: Apparently he had thought that he had been robbed in

1851
01:21:08,080 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 3: a previous fight and no one asked to interview him,

1852
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,080
Speaker 3: and he thought that he had been done wrong. You know,

1853
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 3: rather than asking, hey, gee, maybe the way in which

1854
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,520
Speaker 3: I understand the world is not correct. He just decided

1855
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 3: that the media must have some kind of and UFC

1856
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:22,479
Speaker 3: I guess in particular because he was man of John

1857
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 3: Anick two acts to grime. The reality is, if a

1858
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 3: fighter's been concussed, it may not be a good idea

1859
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: to interview them. A lot of them don't want to

1860
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 3: talk if the media. Sure, are there more cases to

1861
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 3: talk to fighters who have lost. Sure, there's always a

1862
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 3: case to mix things up a little bit. I don't

1863
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 3: think that's the craziest thing.

1864
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:38,919
Speaker 1: But they don't.

1865
01:21:38,680 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 2: People seizures by running this too much jail, right.

1866
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 3: And the last thing I say is they don't do

1867
01:21:42,439 --> 01:21:45,719
Speaker 3: it to like, oh, I don't care about the losers

1868
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 3: of fighters. They do it because they want to be

1869
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 3: reverential to somebody who may have just gone through a

1870
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 3: very difficult experience, not because they're like, fuck them and

1871
01:21:54,160 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 3: it's a you know, rather than asking about that or

1872
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,600
Speaker 3: the fact that the UFC doesn't even allow you to

1873
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: talk to the losers on fight night. They just bring

1874
01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 3: you the winners for the most part. You know, he

1875
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,679
Speaker 3: just said that, he just decides that the world's against them. Okay, well,

1876
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 3: you know, enjoy your anonymity.

1877
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, do that kind of ran after you lose, Like

1878
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:11,519
Speaker 2: if you lost a tough fight and you fought well

1879
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 2: and you lost the close decision, be like, hey, you

1880
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:15,800
Speaker 2: know I should get more attention. Yeah whatever, who cares?

1881
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 2: Nice win though. By the way, I had about two

1882
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:22,840
Speaker 2: four thousand hashtag Dick Rico coming at me. All right, Luke,

1883
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 2: you love this. I know you love this. Fat heavyweights

1884
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: Carlos Felipe and Justin Taffa doing their own holloway lamas

1885
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:30,719
Speaker 2: right here.

1886
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,639
Speaker 1: Luke, Yes, for a little bit, for a little bit.

1887
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 2: They it was kind of like pointing at the ground

1888
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:38,639
Speaker 2: old school next Holloway right one ninety nine.

1889
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:39,800
Speaker 1: Little bit, little bit.

1890
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:41,639
Speaker 3: They didn't do it for too too long, but they

1891
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 3: you know them boys was they were getting after it.

1892
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:48,200
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, forehead to forehead right here, let's advance the

1893
01:22:48,200 --> 01:22:51,000
Speaker 2: slide jay, very reminiscent to one of the greatest things

1894
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 2: I ever saw in an arena to close their UFC

1895
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,639
Speaker 2: one ninety nine fight. There's Max and Ricardo are Yeah.

1896
01:22:56,520 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 1: Dude, Max is such a goddamn savage. He's unbelieve Give

1897
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 1: it to me.

1898
01:23:01,320 --> 01:23:05,080
Speaker 2: This was Luke the now. This was at the Forum

1899
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: in l A. You know, heavy Mexican American crowd, like

1900
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:11,639
Speaker 2: the the the reaction to this in the in that building. Look,

1901
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 2: it was insane. Like it was like like somebody walked

1902
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,240
Speaker 2: in the center case, took all their clothes off and

1903
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 2: just started. I mean it was insane. Look it was.

1904
01:23:17,960 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 2: It was great.

1905
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 1: It was great. You were you were there for this?

1906
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was thank you sitting right there.

1907
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Uh, Luke, let's go on.

1908
01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 3: Here.

1909
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 2: We got a club boxing show from Chester, Pennsylvania, Pennsylvania.

1910
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: Check a light heavyweight Schnard bunch once bunch.

1911
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 1: Is that the the old Hagler gazelle punch?

1912
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: I have to see it again. It looks like it's

1913
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,599
Speaker 2: at a I don't know where they recorded this. Some theater.

1914
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:41,559
Speaker 2: Is that Ford Theater?

1915
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: Luke, it's COVID theater.

1916
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, COVID. Uh. Let's see if we can run it back.

1917
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: Let's see if it comes all the way around. Look

1918
01:23:49,880 --> 01:23:51,080
Speaker 2: at this beauty of a punch.

1919
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 1: Not quite it's a leaping left hook.

1920
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: It's not quite a gazelle punch, but that was nice.

1921
01:23:58,240 --> 01:24:01,479
Speaker 2: Here we have an alternate angle here here it is

1922
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:04,599
Speaker 2: give it to me here.

1923
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 3: This guy Shenard is someone about to be knocked out

1924
01:24:08,040 --> 01:24:11,120
Speaker 3: in one hundred and forty four p Look.

1925
01:24:11,160 --> 01:24:13,720
Speaker 2: Remember in the late nineties when you could buy DVDs

1926
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 2: and have alternate angles. I had that once within NBA

1927
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 2: Finals Highlights video, and I had that once with a

1928
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:24,439
Speaker 2: movie involving nurses.

1929
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 3: This dude, dl Mercy ENZAO was eleven and thirteen going

1930
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 3: into this contest. I'm guessing that's the gentleman who just

1931
01:24:33,560 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 3: got you know, crushed.

1932
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:41,519
Speaker 1: Yes, naughty nurses. I don't care. Let's keep moving.

1933
01:24:42,040 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Wow that was awkward. All right, Luke,

1934
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 2: let's go over to Abu Dabi. There's an MMA promotion

1935
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 2: called oh no, sorry, we got a little bit of

1936
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,840
Speaker 2: boxing here. Luke, Hey, were you down for this? This

1937
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: was in Dubai on Friday. Game of Thrones and World's

1938
01:24:55,280 --> 01:25:01,160
Speaker 2: Strongest Men Half Poor Julius Bjornson half four fought three

1939
01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:04,800
Speaker 2: rounds at cruiserweight against Stephen Ward. I don't think half

1940
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:07,200
Speaker 2: poor made cruiserweight, But what'd you make of this exhibition?

1941
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,040
Speaker 3: It's not half poor, it's half thor or just thor,

1942
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:14,240
Speaker 3: you know what, For being four hundred pounds or so,

1943
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,559
Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty pretty nimble. For folks who

1944
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 3: don't realize this, that's the Mountain from Game of Thrones

1945
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,719
Speaker 3: who is also world strongest man.

1946
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:23,839
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah.

1947
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:28,720
Speaker 3: Anyway, he is going to fight Eddie Hall in September,

1948
01:25:28,760 --> 01:25:30,559
Speaker 3: another guy who was the world strongest man, and they

1949
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 3: hate each other in the strong man world. And this

1950
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,679
Speaker 3: was something of a tune up exhibition. His punches didn't

1951
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 3: look great, but his movement wasn't so bad.

1952
01:25:38,040 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 2: I'd call out Poujinowski after that if I was him, Luke,

1953
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 2: all right, shout out to that guy, right, shout out

1954
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:45,720
Speaker 2: to Tim Boxo for giving us this great stuff. Let's

1955
01:25:45,760 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 2: go over to EFC thirty two from Abu Dabi on Friday.

1956
01:25:49,200 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 2: This is renat fuck Reddanov and he sent Eric Spicely

1957
01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:57,599
Speaker 2: to hell. Luke your thoughts.

1958
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 3: I love Eric Spicey, but that is a uh it's

1959
01:26:01,320 --> 01:26:04,040
Speaker 3: a nice punch, just measures him with a jab and

1960
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,639
Speaker 3: then comes over the top like that oh man.

1961
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 2: Near testifying going on there, near, very close, very close,

1962
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 2: Luke all right. He was looking at the congregation, he

1963
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:16,880
Speaker 2: was considering it. Wow. All right, Hey, Luke, this is

1964
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 2: I found footage. The reason why Dana White did not

1965
01:26:20,160 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 2: jump off the cliff at why am I bay was

1966
01:26:23,080 --> 01:26:26,200
Speaker 2: because this fella tried first and nearly killed himself. Watch

1967
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 2: the splash on this, Luke, cannon ball run gone wrong.

1968
01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: Oh yikes, you would get out the You know, I

1969
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 1: just drowned. I don't know. Don't even say this guy,

1970
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:45,360
Speaker 1: I mean.

1971
01:26:46,320 --> 01:26:48,840
Speaker 2: Doctor said he needed Becky out of me. Indeed, Luke,

1972
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 2: all right, Hey, look, you've been very outspoken against weightlifters

1973
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 2: wearing gloves like I used to in high school because

1974
01:26:55,560 --> 01:26:58,960
Speaker 2: my dad made me. Check out actor Mark Wahlberg. This

1975
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 2: is one of his famous two workouts. Of course, Luke,

1976
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:04,920
Speaker 2: he's gotta be on peds to be that cut in

1977
01:27:04,920 --> 01:27:06,559
Speaker 2: his fifties. But he's got gloves on.

1978
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: Luke. You no, ye, no, I'm not into that. Although

1979
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 1: those are weird gloves like was he doing cryo before

1980
01:27:11,880 --> 01:27:12,559
Speaker 1: this or something?

1981
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 3: I don't know what that is. Folks, you don't need gloves.

1982
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:18,240
Speaker 3: Your hands will develop callouses like a real man. The

1983
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 3: gloves don't do anything. In fact, they mpg you. Unless

1984
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,840
Speaker 3: he was handling some kind of gear that he needed

1985
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 3: it for grip, like he was doing deadlifts for extra

1986
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,120
Speaker 3: grip and he didn't have straps. That's fine, I guess

1987
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 3: it sort of says does the same thing as chalk,

1988
01:27:31,080 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 3: but you don't need gloves at all, and in fact,

1989
01:27:33,600 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 3: they mpg you.

1990
01:27:34,120 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't know how many times I could say this, Luke.

1991
01:27:36,120 --> 01:27:37,840
Speaker 2: Could he pass the USAWA test right now?

1992
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:41,799
Speaker 1: No? No, I don't care about that, of course, but no, fuck.

1993
01:27:41,600 --> 01:27:43,320
Speaker 2: No, I don't care about that for movies. I mean

1994
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 2: it's ridiculous.

1995
01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: Hey, I don't care about that for sports.

1996
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:48,680
Speaker 2: Last night, my son and I watched conne Air, Luke,

1997
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:50,719
Speaker 2: because he really enjoyed The Rock and we were flipping

1998
01:27:50,760 --> 01:27:52,680
Speaker 2: through the menu and he saw Nicholas Cage, like that's

1999
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,760
Speaker 2: a guy from the Rocks. We watched it, Luke, I

2000
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:58,000
Speaker 2: realized I had not seen that since the theater back

2001
01:27:58,040 --> 01:28:00,880
Speaker 2: in the nineties. My second time watching it, loved the

2002
01:28:01,080 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 2: isshot of it. In fact, can we bring in Jason

2003
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,000
Speaker 2: Aaron real quick? Jason? Can you take Mark Wahlberg off?

2004
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't even see Mark Wahlberg's nipples anymore? Thank you.

2005
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 2: You told me that con Air at one point was

2006
01:28:10,920 --> 01:28:13,400
Speaker 2: your favorite movie of all time. Jay, I forgot how

2007
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:17,919
Speaker 2: great that movie was. The cast, the cast, Dave Chappelle.

2008
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:18,839
Speaker 2: Dave Chappelle.

2009
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 1: Cage was the worst actor in that movie, Luke. His

2010
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Southern accent was so bad.

2011
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: Chevy's badass in the ball Ving Raims. I mean there

2012
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 2: was like, I mean Malkovich's badass in that Chemmy amazing,

2013
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 2: the rapist guy, Trey Hill.

2014
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Dave Chappelle was in that. Dave Chappelle,

2015
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:41,880
Speaker 1: who's the FBI agent.

2016
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 2: Look, did you know Dave Chappelle's name five times in Rose?

2017
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:50,000
Speaker 2: So my point was cage heavy on the peeds for that, Luke,

2018
01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:51,679
Speaker 2: But you expect that for that movie.

2019
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, you gotta get you Listen, you can't be

2020
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,280
Speaker 3: a ranger who went to prison for fucking a guy

2021
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,880
Speaker 3: up and then is on a plane full of other

2022
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,360
Speaker 3: convicts without looking like you have six pack abs.

2023
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, the opening scene of the movie is him

2024
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: working out every single day in prison for nine years.

2025
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 1: That's the opening scene of the movie.

2026
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:11,800
Speaker 2: So you know, gotta sell it. Actually the opening scene

2027
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 2: of the movies when he's in the bar with his wife.

2028
01:29:13,479 --> 01:29:16,800
Speaker 2: But that's another story, Jase. The credit scene the credit, Luke,

2029
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,560
Speaker 2: you're gonna make up with Jay? You sent him to

2030
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 2: hell earlier, Luke.

2031
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop talking to my fucking ear all right. Hey, Hey, Luke,

2032
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 1: I got the designate which books of the Bible are important.

2033
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 2: Thank you, Jason. Yeah, non respect you and your people

2034
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:33,240
Speaker 2: kickboxing k the ko the week, Luke comes from this

2035
01:29:33,320 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 2: fine lady. Uh check out the the Loser getting prepared

2036
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 2: for the coffin. Oh yeah, she's ready, Luke, she can

2037
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:46,800
Speaker 2: fit in it. She's ready. Wow, Bob, great stuff. Wow?

2038
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, let's get them gains. Look, you ever

2039
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 2: get gains while driving?

2040
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Is this Juji mofu? Yeah it is. This dude is

2041
01:29:59,240 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: a trip man.

2042
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:01,760
Speaker 2: That's great.

2043
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:04,719
Speaker 3: He's pressing and that's one thirty five. He's just pressing

2044
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:06,280
Speaker 3: on the car like that. That's hard to balance.

2045
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:09,040
Speaker 2: I'd wear gloves in this instance, Luke, just in case

2046
01:30:09,080 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 2: you don't want to start it. You know, you don't

2047
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 2: want to create an accident at all?

2048
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:14,559
Speaker 1: Right, you does your Lilith Fair vehicle? Does it have

2049
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: a moon or sunroof.

2050
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:21,599
Speaker 2: My my twenty twenty super cross track? Yeah, yes, yes,

2051
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 2: it does have a sunroof.

2052
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,240
Speaker 3: It has a sunroof for you to blast, you know,

2053
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,320
Speaker 3: Indigo girls on your way to the lil ofth Fair.

2054
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:31,400
Speaker 2: Such an a hole? Hey, Luke? What is this move called?

2055
01:30:31,439 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 2: They called on Instagram the zombie to squat jerk. This

2056
01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 2: guy just looks like a jerk. Is this a legitimate move?

2057
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:39,519
Speaker 3: What is it? It's not legit? Of God, that dude

2058
01:30:39,560 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 3: is strong as fuck.

2059
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 1: He is very good.

2060
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:45,120
Speaker 3: Yes, there are times when you're trying to clean it's

2061
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 3: a zombie clean because see how he loses it on

2062
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 3: his arms like that. There's times when you try to

2063
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 3: like rotate your elbows under and the bar will come

2064
01:30:53,880 --> 01:30:55,280
Speaker 3: out of your hands and it will land. I mean,

2065
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,240
Speaker 3: when you think about it, when you're up here, where

2066
01:30:57,320 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 3: is the bar sitting. It's sitting on the front of

2067
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:02,280
Speaker 3: your delts and your near clavicle, right, that's the shelf

2068
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 3: you're creating for it. So sometimes you can flip under

2069
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:06,680
Speaker 3: and your hands will come off, but you'll still catch it.

2070
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:08,799
Speaker 1: So they call that a zombie clean. Yeah.

2071
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 2: Look that guy that looks like you're just waiting to

2072
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 2: break your back forever.

2073
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 1: He is.

2074
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 3: He is very strong. That is that is. That is impressive.

2075
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 3: He's very and he and he does a squat jerk,

2076
01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:21,280
Speaker 3: not a split.

2077
01:31:21,439 --> 01:31:24,680
Speaker 1: That is. That's some LUCIAU June ship. That is very impressive.

2078
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's close with this for Jim mockery. How

2079
01:31:27,680 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 2: about this guy in the jeans? Look, what do you

2080
01:31:29,160 --> 01:31:29,760
Speaker 2: call this move?

2081
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: Dude.

2082
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,640
Speaker 3: You know, I always wonder, I mean, I can, I

2083
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:43,439
Speaker 3: can I be like semi serious for a moment. He's

2084
01:31:43,479 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 3: gotten nearly the entire stack on there, right and it's

2085
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 3: moving about an inch. He's got his gloves and jeans on.

2086
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 3: He's convulsing like you know, a cow that's being shocked

2087
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 3: in the balls or something.

2088
01:31:56,360 --> 01:31:57,599
Speaker 1: What is going through.

2089
01:31:57,479 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 3: His mind right now? Does he think he's out there

2090
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:01,240
Speaker 3: killing the game right now?

2091
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

2092
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 2: I think he's just practicing for when he pops that

2093
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 2: blue shoe pill later in the night. Luke, I don't

2094
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 2: know what else.

2095
01:32:08,360 --> 01:32:10,680
Speaker 1: I mean, this is gross, right, but I'm serious, Like

2096
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 1: in his mind, does he think like because the only

2097
01:32:13,200 --> 01:32:16,000
Speaker 1: reason you would do this is if you thought that

2098
01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: everyone was looking at you and you thought you looked cool.

2099
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 3: Right, Oh, look at me, I'm moving the whole stack.

2100
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 3: I mean, the fact is everyone is looking at you

2101
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:26,200
Speaker 3: and thinking you're an idiot. But I always wonder, like,

2102
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:28,640
Speaker 3: what do these old bastards who show up in like

2103
01:32:29,280 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 3: clothes you'd wear to the dentist think they're doing when

2104
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 3: they do.

2105
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Shit like this.

2106
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:37,639
Speaker 2: I could see this being Jay Aaron in about fifteen years,

2107
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,120
Speaker 2: so we'll have to wait and see and ask him.

2108
01:32:39,120 --> 01:32:41,280
Speaker 1: Then look, Jay, why are you doing this?

2109
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:45,799
Speaker 2: No, I'd have to go to the gym to actually

2110
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,320
Speaker 2: do that. Yeah, thank you, thank you for KOing your eyeh.

2111
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:50,719
Speaker 1: By the way, by the way, you see lasting on this.

2112
01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: This is who wears gloves. This is the fucking type.

2113
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:57,040
Speaker 2: Sadly, you're right, you're right about that, Luke, poor poor

2114
01:32:57,080 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 2: parenting Hall of Fame. Inductions are back. They call the

2115
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,640
Speaker 2: it's a Canadian baptism.

2116
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 1: Luke.

2117
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:12,200
Speaker 3: Uh oh, you're just leaving him in the fucking snuff. Jesus,

2118
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,559
Speaker 3: what is this the fucking winter jungle book?

2119
01:33:14,600 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 2: I mean, what's the best way to teach him how

2120
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:16,719
Speaker 2: to swim?

2121
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:17,040
Speaker 1: Luke?

2122
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:18,640
Speaker 2: Just throw him right in, right, throw them right in

2123
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 2: the deep end.

2124
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 1: You know, see him moguli? What the fuck?

2125
01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:25,240
Speaker 2: Man? Oh boy? All right, it's subway time and only

2126
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,599
Speaker 2: the creatures come out on the subway. Luke, uh this, lady,

2127
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:31,759
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a joke, Luke, bro how.

2128
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: Glad are you? We don't have to ride this right now?

2129
01:33:34,160 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 2: That's a bag full of raw meet, Luke. And that's

2130
01:33:37,400 --> 01:33:40,920
Speaker 2: this lady bare hand in it? What is that, luke?

2131
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:45,519
Speaker 1: Dude? And by the way, I know this account subway

2132
01:33:45,520 --> 01:33:48,320
Speaker 1: creatures B C and I, and you know I used

2133
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: to live in New York, but certainly through work, we

2134
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 1: had to ride the New York City Subway every Monday.

2135
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: When I was doing mm O and mm Beat, I

2136
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 1: had to ride it every Monday and every Thursday. You

2137
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:03,360
Speaker 1: cannot imagine the life form that exist on this fucking hellscape.

2138
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:06,160
Speaker 1: And this lady is just out here butchering shit with

2139
01:34:06,200 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: her hands, raw meat in Uh on the six.

2140
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 2: On the sick, just like j Lo. All right, hey,

2141
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,720
Speaker 2: street fight of the week time here, Luke. Check out

2142
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:19,240
Speaker 2: this kid on the bicycle. Just no selling the fact

2143
01:34:19,439 --> 01:34:22,280
Speaker 2: that these two bums are having some grounded pound issues here.

2144
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:27,360
Speaker 1: Uh.

2145
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:31,439
Speaker 3: Street kids on bikes are the best?

2146
01:34:30,120 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 2: Are I think they're fighting over some some meth. Get

2147
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 2: that guy some socks. Wow, Get the guy in an airplane, Luke,

2148
01:34:37,280 --> 01:34:37,800
Speaker 2: that's great.

2149
01:34:38,160 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe the guy with no shoes was deadlifting and

2150
01:34:41,840 --> 01:34:44,040
Speaker 3: he was took too much time in the in the rack.

2151
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:47,000
Speaker 2: Now the guy with the walker is the uh is

2152
01:34:47,040 --> 01:34:49,559
Speaker 2: the is coming in to break them up, Luke, anything

2153
01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:50,639
Speaker 2: can happen in New York City.

2154
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:51,240
Speaker 1: This is great.

2155
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:54,519
Speaker 2: All right, Let's roll on before something bad happens. Check

2156
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:57,800
Speaker 2: out this open field tackle by this police officer, former linebacker.

2157
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,639
Speaker 2: Look at that. That's how you break up a fight right.

2158
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,000
Speaker 1: There, dude.

2159
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:04,960
Speaker 3: And you know what, because the dude, why you would

2160
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 3: take your shirt off makes no sense. But okay, the

2161
01:35:08,200 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 3: dude taking his shirt off was clearly he was bowing

2162
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,879
Speaker 3: up on the on the police officer. Oh my god, look.

2163
01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,880
Speaker 2: At turning them into Joe Thaisman right there.

2164
01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:18,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just say no racial implications, thank god, either

2165
01:35:18,800 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 3: at least not for what I can tell.

2166
01:35:21,720 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 1: God.

2167
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,640
Speaker 3: Damn, bro, he got crushed. But you know what, he

2168
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 3: even did him a solid. It looks like he put

2169
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:28,320
Speaker 3: him on the grass, right.

2170
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. He did do a solid right there. Yeah,

2171
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,000
Speaker 2: he was about to attack. This is not this was

2172
01:35:33,120 --> 01:35:35,080
Speaker 2: This is how you de escalate here. I'm down for this.

2173
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,200
Speaker 2: Shout out to the blue hair on this one, Luke.

2174
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 2: Let's go on to this one at the basketball court.

2175
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,360
Speaker 2: Whose fault is this for this flat tire? Let's be

2176
01:35:41,439 --> 01:35:50,280
Speaker 2: honest here, I mean, I mean, is it the guy

2177
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:52,559
Speaker 2: who's parked under the hoop luger? Is it the guy

2178
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:53,599
Speaker 2: coming through for the lamp?

2179
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:56,720
Speaker 3: I'd be like, look, man, you know that shit was

2180
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:59,000
Speaker 3: stolen anyway, you can't be too mad at me, Bro.

2181
01:35:59,080 --> 01:36:02,400
Speaker 1: You had a nice run. That is fucking hilarious.

2182
01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 2: That's great, that's great. All right, we're winding down here, Luke,

2183
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 2: speaking of bicycles on the playground. This is why kids

2184
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 2: aren't allowed to play anymore without their parents' president.

2185
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: What is happening here, centrifugal force? Bro?

2186
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:20,400
Speaker 2: Yikes?

2187
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Does he rack himself on this?

2188
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 2: Yeah? He dies on that.

2189
01:36:24,640 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: All right.

2190
01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:27,559
Speaker 2: Look, I got one more for you as we wind

2191
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:31,599
Speaker 2: to a crawl here. Rednecks playing stupid games. They're gonna

2192
01:36:31,600 --> 01:36:32,880
Speaker 2: win stupid prizes. Luke.

2193
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:41,560
Speaker 3: Well, good to see Qan Nons keeping busy with healthy habits.

2194
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:46,400
Speaker 2: All right, coming soon to the capitol steps near you. Luke,

2195
01:36:46,479 --> 01:36:48,880
Speaker 2: that is the ish for the We hope you've seen

2196
01:36:48,920 --> 01:36:51,320
Speaker 2: it here. Yes, thank you.

2197
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:51,880
Speaker 1: Very good?

2198
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,240
Speaker 3: All right, before we close odds and ends? What is

2199
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:58,200
Speaker 3: your odds and ends for OI today?

2200
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:00,800
Speaker 2: Look, unless I'm wrong, and you know you and I

2201
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 2: were talking about this over text, I saw that you

2202
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:06,400
Speaker 2: tweeted about it too, And look what do I expect here?

2203
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:10,400
Speaker 2: I expect any of the fine journalists who have gone

2204
01:37:10,479 --> 01:37:13,840
Speaker 2: to Abu Dhabi to cover these great three UFC cards

2205
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: in eight nights and have had multiple one on ones

2206
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,559
Speaker 2: or open scrums with Danda White to maybe bring up

2207
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 2: that elephant in the room, that ridiculous four minute video

2208
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 2: that Dana White put out over Christmas slamming all of

2209
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,599
Speaker 2: US media members, including your boy BC here, Luke, I'm

2210
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm not looking for Dana to be skewered or called out,

2211
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,479
Speaker 2: but is that too much to ask? It looks like

2212
01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 2: everyone's having a great time over there, But Luke, is

2213
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 2: really no one going to bring this up at all,

2214
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,760
Speaker 2: that Dana's relationship with the media has defaulted to the

2215
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,559
Speaker 2: level that we're putting out essentially, you know, fake news

2216
01:37:48,560 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 2: to battle fake news videos. And I don't think a

2217
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,080
Speaker 2: single person has asked him about this. What do you

2218
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:54,519
Speaker 2: make of this?

2219
01:37:56,200 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 1: Listen? Mma, media is not real media. What do you

2220
01:37:59,080 --> 01:37:59,560
Speaker 1: want me to tell you?

2221
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:02,439
Speaker 3: There are people who are exceptions to this rule, even

2222
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 3: people who are just not real media can sometimes put

2223
01:38:05,880 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 3: out work that is deserving of praise, But it's not

2224
01:38:09,160 --> 01:38:10,760
Speaker 3: real media. I know how the game is played, and

2225
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 3: you're right, like, what are you gona do? You're gonna

2226
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:14,080
Speaker 3: argue with Dana. It doesn't matter how many facts you have,

2227
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 3: He's not going to give in. But my thought was,

2228
01:38:16,600 --> 01:38:18,519
Speaker 3: why can't you just ask him why he deleted it?

2229
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,720
Speaker 1: Right? Like, why'd you delete it? That seems like an

2230
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:21,559
Speaker 1: odd thing to do that.

2231
01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 3: You were so proud that you put out this fact

2232
01:38:23,439 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 3: free video, why would you get rid of it, you know,

2233
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:29,960
Speaker 3: just to get some kind of answer about it. But nothing,

2234
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 3: there's nothing, And so it's okay, right, I mean, this

2235
01:38:32,280 --> 01:38:34,599
Speaker 3: is Listen. They don't go there because their editors want

2236
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 3: them to do that. They go there because their editors

2237
01:38:37,200 --> 01:38:40,679
Speaker 3: demand that they get interviews with fighters. They get results,

2238
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 3: they get pictures, they get assets for Instagram. That's how

2239
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 3: they make money, that's how they stay in business. It's

2240
01:38:45,120 --> 01:38:47,639
Speaker 3: the business model. You'll note that you can leave out

2241
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 3: questions like that and it doesn't hurt the business model

2242
01:38:49,920 --> 01:38:52,960
Speaker 3: at all. And in fact, asking questions like that can

2243
01:38:53,080 --> 01:38:56,120
Speaker 3: hurt the business model. And that's why you don't get it.

2244
01:38:56,160 --> 01:38:58,720
Speaker 3: But you know it's not it's not real media. It's

2245
01:38:58,760 --> 01:38:59,479
Speaker 3: not real media.

2246
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:01,800
Speaker 2: So I'm shocked. Look, and here's the deal. Like, I'm

2247
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:06,559
Speaker 2: not some old school harbinger of journalism as religion. I

2248
01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 2: respect journalism obviously, I respect you know. I'm in this game.

2249
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 2: But look, I'm also in the entertainment game here, and

2250
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 2: I know my role in the journalism space, but it's

2251
01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:19,599
Speaker 2: just odd to me to have all that time there

2252
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 2: and no one bring it up once. I mean, even

2253
01:39:22,439 --> 01:39:26,679
Speaker 2: when Dana White was sued over that uh, that prostitute situation,

2254
01:39:26,800 --> 01:39:28,640
Speaker 2: somebody brought it up. I mean, like, how do you

2255
01:39:29,200 --> 01:39:31,640
Speaker 2: am I missing something here? No, Like, this was not

2256
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 2: a big enough story to bring up one time. I mean,

2257
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,680
Speaker 2: like that just that that's an L to me. I

2258
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:38,479
Speaker 2: don't get it. It's a big L. Like what are

2259
01:39:38,479 --> 01:39:38,960
Speaker 2: we doing here?

2260
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing to get It's not real media.

2261
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:43,599
Speaker 2: I'm not looking to get protected. I don't want somebody

2262
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 2: to get in my back. But you know, and I'm

2263
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:48,880
Speaker 2: also again not somebody who joins journalism clubs or unions

2264
01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,400
Speaker 2: or anything like that, Not that I think that that's wrong,

2265
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:53,840
Speaker 2: But how did, like we're all in this together at

2266
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:55,719
Speaker 2: the end of the day, how does not one credible

2267
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:59,680
Speaker 2: journalist out there bring this up, argue, debate anything. Look,

2268
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:01,639
Speaker 2: it's just it's a little it's a little a little

2269
01:40:01,640 --> 01:40:02,240
Speaker 2: interesting to me.

2270
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean the answer is obvious once you

2271
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:09,120
Speaker 3: fully accept that's not what they do. They don't do

2272
01:40:09,200 --> 01:40:12,080
Speaker 3: this kind of thing it becomes. I mean, this is

2273
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 3: why it's like, I don't call myself a journalist, even

2274
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,160
Speaker 3: though I would have at least asked, hey, man, why'd

2275
01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 3: you delete it?

2276
01:40:17,680 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 1: Like there's something to be said for that, But this way,

2277
01:40:20,080 --> 01:40:21,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna call yourself a journalist, man, like, that's

2278
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:25,560
Speaker 1: what you're gonna call yourself. You fucking have to do journalism,

2279
01:40:26,080 --> 01:40:29,479
Speaker 1: you know, you have to like do things that as

2280
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,599
Speaker 1: the opposite of pr You got to ruffle feathers.

2281
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,120
Speaker 3: You gotta hold power to account. If you're not gonna

2282
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:35,920
Speaker 3: do that just being like, hey, I've got a fight

2283
01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:39,080
Speaker 3: update from a press release. You know, you're a media

2284
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 3: relayer of information. That's not journalism, that's just you know,

2285
01:40:43,360 --> 01:40:45,760
Speaker 3: it's something else, and that's fine if you if you're

2286
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:46,600
Speaker 3: honest about what you do.

2287
01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:48,040
Speaker 1: Like this is why the Schmoe is the.

2288
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 3: Most honest guy in media, to be quite honest with you,

2289
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:52,880
Speaker 3: because he doesn't pretend he's anything other than what he is.

2290
01:40:53,160 --> 01:40:55,040
Speaker 3: This is what I do, this is what I'm about.

2291
01:40:55,160 --> 01:40:57,280
Speaker 3: There's no pretension about it. Either you like it or

2292
01:40:57,280 --> 01:41:00,439
Speaker 3: you don't. Boom, okay, two thumbs up. I got no

2293
01:41:00,479 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 3: issue with that. But everyone else being like I want

2294
01:41:03,080 --> 01:41:07,400
Speaker 3: the imprimature of the title journalism. It's like, well, then

2295
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:09,760
Speaker 3: do it do the act of it.

2296
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:12,160
Speaker 1: But they don't. It's not what they're there for.

2297
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:14,120
Speaker 2: So, you know, a lot of a lot of a

2298
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:16,559
Speaker 2: lot of whispers. And I think Dana did somehow mention this.

2299
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 2: I'm not sure how he was asked about it, but

2300
01:41:17,960 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 2: that there is a documentary coming out, Luke. That so

2301
01:41:20,720 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 2: maybe this four minute video is like the teaser to

2302
01:41:23,400 --> 01:41:25,720
Speaker 2: something longer where where it seems like Dana's going to

2303
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:29,120
Speaker 2: take multiple victory laps and drop bombs on everybody. You

2304
01:41:29,200 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 2: gotta wake up and realize, Dana, like you need the media,

2305
01:41:32,160 --> 01:41:34,960
Speaker 2: the media needs you. We all in this together. Let's

2306
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:38,360
Speaker 2: get the facts straight. Let's figure this out. I don't know, Luke.

2307
01:41:38,439 --> 01:41:41,240
Speaker 2: I just saw there was a lot more American media

2308
01:41:41,240 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 2: covering these fights in person that I expected. I was.

2309
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:44,599
Speaker 2: I was happy to see that. You know, I want

2310
01:41:44,600 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 2: to be back covering fights when things make sense and

2311
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:49,680
Speaker 2: are safe. But I also expect that we're gonna, you know,

2312
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 2: ask what needs to be asked.

2313
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:53,320
Speaker 3: But hey, to each I guess, okay, I guess not

2314
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 3: all right, Last, but not least sad news here, Paul

2315
01:41:56,360 --> 01:42:00,000
Speaker 3: Varlins who had a He had like eighteen or nineteen

2316
01:42:00,160 --> 01:42:03,519
Speaker 3: fights in MMA, five or six of them inside UFC,

2317
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 3: including against some greats. Marco Huas is the famous one

2318
01:42:06,160 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 3: where we had learned he'd lost it, but we had

2319
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:08,960
Speaker 3: learned about the value of leg kicks. He had a

2320
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,160
Speaker 3: fight against cal Worsham, he won. He had a fight

2321
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:13,920
Speaker 3: against Tank Abbot where we sort of saw the power

2322
01:42:13,920 --> 01:42:16,080
Speaker 3: of wrestling in ground and bound. But in any case,

2323
01:42:16,120 --> 01:42:19,120
Speaker 3: a pioneer, true pioneer in the sport kind of had

2324
01:42:19,160 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 3: fallen on hard times. I think it was Ann Evans,

2325
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:24,840
Speaker 3: the guy who used to run Fight Pass in the

2326
01:42:24,840 --> 01:42:26,720
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame for UFC, was saying that they had

2327
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,839
Speaker 3: bought him out to one of these expos at one point,

2328
01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:31,240
Speaker 3: you know, maybe five or ten years ago, and he

2329
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 3: talked about he had lived in his car for a

2330
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:33,719
Speaker 3: couple of years.

2331
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean, the guy was six eight six.

2332
01:42:35,120 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 3: ' nine, he was the size of the mountain, not

2333
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,400
Speaker 3: quite as heavy, but you know, basically the same frame and.

2334
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Living in your car. I mean that had to be

2335
01:42:42,160 --> 01:42:43,280
Speaker 1: incredibly rough. Anyway.

2336
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:46,400
Speaker 3: He died due to COVID nineteen, so he lived a

2337
01:42:46,960 --> 01:42:49,720
Speaker 3: hard scrabble life. But there are not many people who

2338
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:53,639
Speaker 3: are actually true pioneers in the sport. He was one

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01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:57,360
Speaker 3: of them, and even when he lost, you learned a

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01:42:57,400 --> 01:43:01,280
Speaker 3: lot about mma by virtue of size difference or techniques

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01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,360
Speaker 3: that work. The most famous, of course is Marko Huas

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01:43:03,360 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 3: and the Lake Kicks. But you know, rest in peace,

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01:43:06,040 --> 01:43:08,320
Speaker 3: Rest in peace to Paul the polar Bear of Varlins

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01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:12,559
Speaker 3: three twenty and six eight six nine, so quite quite

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01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,599
Speaker 3: an interesting figure.

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Speaker 2: It was just sad to see. I couldn't believe that

2347
01:43:15,960 --> 01:43:17,360
Speaker 2: he was so young, you know, I mean, it makes

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01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:19,720
Speaker 2: sense that he'd be fifty one, but I just I

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01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,400
Speaker 2: just assume because it seems so long ago, the early

2350
01:43:22,439 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 2: you know, the mid nineties of early UFC, that it

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01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 2: seemed like, damn, this guy's very young, not too far

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01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 2: removed from our age and some respects Luke. But yeah, he,

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01:43:29,560 --> 01:43:32,439
Speaker 2: I mean one of those original badasses that it's easy

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01:43:32,479 --> 01:43:37,000
Speaker 2: to clown, the early barbaric run of uh you know

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01:43:37,080 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 2: one Glove Jefferson and uh, you know Harold Howard Foster,

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01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:43,400
Speaker 2: and I mean there's some definitely some characters, Luke, but

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01:43:43,479 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 2: these guys had no idea what they were getting into.

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01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,920
Speaker 2: I mean, there he had some balls, and certainly I

2359
01:43:47,920 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 2: think he made his debut for UFC at UFC six,

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01:43:50,080 --> 01:43:51,920
Speaker 2: and uh, he was always a fun out to watch

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01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,000
Speaker 2: at six foot eight, the polar bear and tough as

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01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,639
Speaker 2: nails and sad to see that, you know, the living

2363
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,240
Speaker 2: in the car and that type of stuff that that

2364
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 2: this end game doesn't always end so well. So, Luke,

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01:44:02,200 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 2: I can certainly understand again your want of Calvin Cater

2366
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,720
Speaker 2: to just call it, call it an l at the

2367
01:44:07,800 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 2: end of the day, Luke, but this guy certainly one

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01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 2: of those icons that I think back to I'll do.

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01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,639
Speaker 2: I will never of course, I heard of UFC when

2370
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 2: it was coming out for UFC one. I don't think

2371
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 2: the first pay per view I saw live was UFC five.

2372
01:44:21,240 --> 01:44:24,000
Speaker 2: I had a party at my house, but I remember

2373
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,880
Speaker 2: after UFC four when Joe Shan got punched in the

2374
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 2: balls about eighty six times by Keith Hackney. I was

2375
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:32,640
Speaker 2: at a family picnic and I've never seen my grandfather

2376
01:44:32,760 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 2: laugh so hard relaying to me what he had watched,

2377
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 2: you know, the week before, and I'm like, I gotta

2378
01:44:38,560 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 2: start buying these pay per views. I gotta start getting

2379
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 2: into this. And you know, I remember my first couple

2380
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,479
Speaker 2: of UFC pay per views. The freaking Polar Bear was

2381
01:44:45,479 --> 01:44:47,840
Speaker 2: a big part of that. So I love Luke. I

2382
01:44:47,880 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 2: love those days because it was like one sided ridiculous

2383
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 2: style against one sided ridiculous style. I mean, that's what

2384
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:58,360
Speaker 2: the sport was built upon. So we are probably entering

2385
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:00,919
Speaker 2: into this run here, Luke, where these are original pioneers

2386
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,840
Speaker 2: are gonna kind of fall left and right, like when

2387
01:45:03,840 --> 01:45:06,040
Speaker 2: the pro wrestler started dying like crazy about you know,

2388
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago from our youth. But I look at

2389
01:45:09,200 --> 01:45:12,240
Speaker 2: these guys as barbaric heroes, Luke. Shout out to them, all.

2390
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: Right, they they took the risk to make it what

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01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:14,880
Speaker 1: it was.

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01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:16,559
Speaker 3: I would never want to go back to those days,

2393
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 3: but I'm glad those days happened, is sort of the

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01:45:18,160 --> 01:45:21,719
Speaker 3: way I put it. Okay, we have a very busy

2395
01:45:21,760 --> 01:45:24,360
Speaker 3: week BC, We're gonna have a lot to do. I

2396
01:45:24,360 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 3: guess I'll see you on Wednesday or Thursday, if all holds,

2397
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 3: we'll see. But we of course have a Wednesday. What are

2398
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:35,120
Speaker 3: you gonna do for Wednesday? Because I'm traveling after the fights,

2399
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:36,680
Speaker 3: So are you gonna do something after it?

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01:45:36,720 --> 01:45:37,679
Speaker 1: For MK? What are you doing?

2401
01:45:38,080 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 2: We're in talks because so just so everybody knows. Wednesday's

2402
01:45:41,479 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 2: UFC Fight Night card prelims begin at nine am Eastern.

2403
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,559
Speaker 2: I think the main cards at noon Eastern, so we

2404
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,520
Speaker 2: are looking to delay the start of morning combat, potentially

2405
01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,439
Speaker 2: doing a afternoon episode. Maybe we'll get the great sugar

2406
01:45:53,439 --> 01:45:56,400
Speaker 2: Shot Evans involved. Talk to his people, Luke. We'll figure

2407
01:45:56,439 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: this thing out, but you will be in the air

2408
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 2: at that time, so look at out for some form

2409
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:04,280
Speaker 2: of MK on Wednesday. Please check out the great interviews

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01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:07,599
Speaker 2: we did heading into this card, from Kiessa to Dustin

2411
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 2: Poier with Luke, to the chat ID with Michael Chandler

2412
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,320
Speaker 2: if you haven't watched those yet. And later this week though,

2413
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:15,880
Speaker 2: as Luke teased and mentioned, we got a showtime boxing

2414
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:17,640
Speaker 2: card this Saturday at the Mohican Son, Luke, you and

2415
01:46:17,680 --> 01:46:20,280
Speaker 2: I will be there. We got so much coverage coming

2416
01:46:20,400 --> 01:46:22,679
Speaker 2: in and out of Connor McGregor and etcetera at UFC

2417
01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:25,160
Speaker 2: two fifty seven CBS Sports HQ. We're going to be

2418
01:46:25,200 --> 01:46:29,160
Speaker 2: all over that, and maybe people who have questions that

2419
01:46:29,200 --> 01:46:31,920
Speaker 2: they want answered on a little thing we call room

2420
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:35,320
Speaker 2: service diaries. Luke can start sending those in now. Where

2421
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:36,040
Speaker 2: should they send them?

2422
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,880
Speaker 1: Luke? If you give us a review on Apple Podcasts.

2423
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:41,400
Speaker 1: Give us a review.

2424
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:43,479
Speaker 3: Please give us a nice one, and if you leave

2425
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:46,360
Speaker 3: a question there, we will answer it on room service diaries.

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01:46:47,640 --> 01:46:49,760
Speaker 2: Very easy. Go oh their five star review. Hit us up.

2427
01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 2: All right, spread the wealth, spread the word. Let's make

2428
01:46:52,240 --> 01:46:55,080
Speaker 2: this MK revolution continue. Luke, I am so excited. We've

2429
01:46:55,080 --> 01:46:57,840
Speaker 2: got a lot of business to do in person at Mohegan.

2430
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:00,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna make some fun content that people will see

2431
01:47:00,240 --> 01:47:02,439
Speaker 2: in the future. Let's do this thing. I'm ready, I'm ready.

2432
01:47:02,439 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to go right now. All right, I'll see

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01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:05,439
Speaker 2: you there. I'll see so.

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01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:07,880
Speaker 3: One more reminder store dot show dot com if you

2435
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:11,160
Speaker 3: want some gear like tumblers, mugs, shirts, blah blah blah.

2436
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:14,040
Speaker 3: If you want to try Showtime, you certainly can Showtime

2437
01:47:14,080 --> 01:47:16,200
Speaker 3: dot com. You can get a thirty day free trial.

2438
01:47:16,200 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 3: If you'd like it, you can keep it. If not,

2439
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 3: you can cancel the deal at that point or I

2440
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:23,479
Speaker 3: think anytime within that frame. Details you know, read them

2441
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 3: if you want to email us for anything like dead wrong,

2442
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 3: or for just the show, or for fans submissions. Morningcombat

2443
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 3: at gmail dot com. BC has probably had diarrhea. I

2444
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,439
Speaker 3: don't quite know what his issue is. Last, but not

2445
01:47:36,520 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 3: least if you want to give us a follow on social,

2446
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:41,719
Speaker 3: please do. It's Morning Combat everywhere, on Instagram, on Twitter,

2447
01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:43,639
Speaker 3: on YouTube, YouTube dot com slash morning Combat.

2448
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,439
Speaker 1: You guys know the deal BC and I's.

2449
01:47:45,479 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 3: You can see a little bit different there between Twitter

2450
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:50,160
Speaker 3: and Instagram for all of us, so do take note

2451
01:47:50,200 --> 01:47:53,160
Speaker 3: of that. Okay, all right, I want to thank Malca, Showtime,

2452
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:57,120
Speaker 3: CBS Sports a huge, huge week ahead daily content coming

2453
01:47:57,160 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 3: to you right here on this YouTube channel and everywhere else.

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01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:04,160
Speaker 3: We appreciate you watching for Brian Campbell, CBS Sports, Malka

2455
01:48:04,200 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 3: in Showtime. I'm Luke Thomas until Wednesday, May all of

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Speaker 3: your gains be loyal