WEBVTT - Vol. 9: Matt Barnes & Stephen Jackson - Part 1 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Charges. That's created by port Lay and Control Media. It's 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:07.400 produced by dB Podcasts in association with I Heart Radio. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.440 This time a former Sons player who you might remember 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.040 as t Rex. More video in just a moment, but 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:18.720 this is Rex Chapman's mug Shawn, and we are learning 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.840 a lot more about the charge up the Charge And 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:24.520 if I was in a situation today with somebody trying 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:26.000 to jump on Matt and I had to use my 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:27.920 gun again, I'll do it again. You know it was 0:00:27.920 --> 0:00:29.680 either gonna be me or you. And whether that man 0:00:29.760 --> 0:00:33.600 basketball fighting hard foul I was trying to eat were 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:36.159 scrutinizes on TV. We was talking about TV. We was 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:39.000 shown been arrested on TV and taking the gail TV 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.680 not the fan we were, Stevie, I got a feeling. 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:46.320 I know what the tears are about, but what are 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:54.280 they about? Welcome to Charges with me, Rex Chapman. I'm 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:57.040 very excited to announce that not only will this be 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:00.080 our first episode with two guests at one time, it 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:04.080 will also be our first two part episode series. That's 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.520 how engrossing and important my conversation was with my guests 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:12.600 Steven Jackson and Matt Barnes. There are men who are 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:17.440 both NBA champions and award winning podcast professionals with their 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:21.880 show All the Smoke from Showtime, Basketball, Black Effect, and 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:26.119 I Heart Radio. Before becoming a pillar in sports media 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:29.120 or podcasting, a former athlete needs to check a lot 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:33.679 of boxes during and after their career. They must be opinionated, outspoken, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:38.760 charismatic while having a pinch of calculated and controlled crazy. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:49.000 This is Charges. Welcome to Charges. I'm your host, Rex Chapman. 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:51.880 In my day, there really wasn't an outlet for athletes 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:55.440 who felt they were misunderstood, or had different opinions, or 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.440 even just didn't want to talk through a filter. Everything 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:00.480 had to be done through a mouthpiece. Off In that 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:05.440 mouthpiece was a journalist, writer, television personality team or PR rep. 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.880 Someone that was not you yourself. They didn't know your life, 0:02:09.960 --> 0:02:12.880 your experiences, and yet they were tasked with trying to 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:16.000 take you and your life and turn it into a story. Thankfully, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:19.919 in many ways, it's not like that anymore. The way 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.639 we learn about athletes has changed. The filter can come off, 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.200 the fans can get a more intimate experience, and the 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.400 athletes they can be themselves. My guest today, well, they 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:31.320 made a career out of being themselves on and off 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.800 the court. They're both NBA champions. They're both known as 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.720 great teammates, hard workers, and guys who weren't afraid of 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:41.480 grinding in their careers. They also have helped pioneer the 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.120 format of athletes talking to athletes in an unscripted and 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.679 authentic way with their podcast All the Smoke. It's my 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.160 pleasure to welcome Stephen Jackson and Matt Barnes to Charges. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:56.320 How are you, gentlemen, Welcome to my home court. Charge 0:02:56.360 --> 0:02:57.840 it up? Oh g, I'm glad to be here. You 0:02:57.919 --> 0:02:59.800 know you raised me, so it's only right I'll be here. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.120 That That was a great opening monologue. Man, that was serious. Right, 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.160 that's probably my best introduction ever. I appreciate that. There 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.560 we go, There we go. It's it's all up here. 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.720 We'll talk about some of the ship, but yeah, we'll 0:03:10.760 --> 0:03:13.440 talking about the good stuff too. You know, Uh, where 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.600 did you both grow up? And did you know that 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:19.280 basketball was gonna take you places professionally? Matt, let's start 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:23.240 with you. I grew up moved around a little bit, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.519 uh you know, Dad, so drugs. We bounced around a 0:03:26.520 --> 0:03:28.880 little bit from the Bay Area, to Sacramento. Um, I 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:30.720 was actually a football player first. You know, I grew 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.360 up playing football watching my dad played football. He used 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:35.360 to play tagle football on the street. And as I 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.920 got taller, I started kind of picking up basketball. So 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:41.720 I didn't really take basketball serious until maybe the end 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:43.800 of junior high. I mean I was always playing in leagues, 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.360 but just you know, football was always my heart, my passion. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:48.920 Um in high school was an All American and in 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:51.440 football and basketball, and just felt like there was gonna 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:55.560 be some more longevity in basketball. Um, although my career 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.480 to get started was a grind in a roller coaster 0:03:57.640 --> 0:03:59.640 ship actually, my whole career was was a grind in 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:01.560 a roller coaster. But you know, once I after that 0:04:01.640 --> 0:04:04.760 two thousand six, uh seven, we believe team I kind 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:08.040 of became a household name. But um, you know, basketball 0:04:08.560 --> 0:04:10.840 up until college was kind of it was really you know, 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:12.480 what do you want to do? Football or basketball? So 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:16.280 again chose basketball, had a fifteen year career and uh man, 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:18.440 they've been able to pivot out of that into media. 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.720 So it's been a fun grind amazing how how uh 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:26.119 what position in football? I was a receiver, So yeah, receiver. 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.000 I led the nation in touchdowns my senior year, you know, 0:04:29.040 --> 0:04:31.800 I had like fifty three catches for twelve yards and 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:34.600 twenty eight touchdowns, so like every other catch with a touchdown. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:37.440 So literally football was my first sport, but and was 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.160 recruited by everyone for football too. But like I said, 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:42.240 looking at the longev at the time, you know, coming 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:45.760 out of high school, there wasn't any six eight receiver, 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:47.800 so I didn't really have anything to model myself after. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.239 I kind of understand if there's gonna be some longevi 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.400 in this space. Although Harold Carmichael, you know, back in 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.640 the eighties with the Philadelphia Eagles. But outside of that, 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:58.000 there wasn't really guys my size doing what I did, 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.440 So I took the other route withhe there's plenty of 0:05:00.480 --> 0:05:02.640 guys my side is doing it and made a career 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.280 out of it. Jack What about you, jack O? G 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:08.480 It started for me. I was born and raised in 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.960 Houston and Third War Area arrest of police George Ford. Um, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:13.880 but I was raised and put out the Texas about 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.760 an hour and a half away, but mom moved to 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.200 put off the one. I was like four or five 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:20.520 years old, and um, you know the saying you just 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.120 slang rock. I have a wicked jump shot. UM. I 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:25.240 grew up in that type of area and UM, I 0:05:25.279 --> 0:05:28.159 didn't know I was chalented until that I had a chance, 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.480 which I was like eight nine, and I played in 0:05:30.560 --> 0:05:32.160 the game at the y m c A and we 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.520 had the final score was forty four to forty two. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:37.800 I had forty two our points. Everybody around me knew, 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.120 you know, but this kid has something. And and doing 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.120 my career, you know, doing growing up and put out 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:44.360 the Texas. I did so many things that could have 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:46.480 ruined my life, that could have stopped me from making 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.039 it this far. But my city put out the Texas. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:50.680 The people in my city took care of me because 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:52.680 they saw something in me that I didn't as a youngster. 0:05:53.000 --> 0:05:54.480 So I give a lot of problems to my city 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:56.640 for protecting me and shield to meet from from all 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.599 the trouble and drama that was going on in my city. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.760 And my family put me in positions to you know, 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:03.840 go to o Kill. I want to stay championship and 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:05.320 put out the Texas in my high school and I 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.160 went to oak Kill. UM ended up signing with the 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:11.360 University of Arizona and not getting in in school because 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.400 I didn't pass my test because I didn't take school serious. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.719 And they end up winning the national championship my freshman year. Yeah, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:19.159 so I end up missing not on national championship Arizona. 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.480 But the best that it was a blessing. Guard always 0:06:21.520 --> 0:06:24.359 had his um hands over man, always had me covered 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.480 during that year, Mike. Maybe mom didn't want me to 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:29.760 go back to Port Author because she knew the trouble 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:31.360 and the and the game banging, all the stuff that 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.960 I was into as a kid, and she told me 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.520 to stay with her. Well, I did not know she 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.640 had a relationship with the Son's organization, and as you know, 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:42.480 she woke me up one morning and brought me down 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.040 there to play pick up with you guys, which I 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.120 had no idea where I was going. And I ended 0:06:47.200 --> 0:06:49.520 up playing well and I ended up getting drafted with 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.400 the only pick that the Sun has had that year, 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.679 and you were there, so and that's when my career started. 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.520 But I had no idea or no clue that I'll 0:06:55.520 --> 0:06:57.720 make it to the NBA. But when I got the opportunity, 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.600 shout out, Danny Age. When I got the opportunity, I 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:03.320 never back. Man. I remember like it was yesterday. You 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:05.640 came down and we had a squad. I mean, this 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.600 was Steve's rookie year, nash rookie year, Jason Kidd kJ 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.000 and what stood out You were the first guy you 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.320 It was and one kind of era, but you were 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:18.760 the first NBA player. I remember you came in and 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.520 you had this move where it was kind of like 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.200 a crossover but it would hit hit the floor and 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:25.880 then hit your shin and then hop back up into 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.240 the same hand. And man, we all were dying like 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:34.040 you made several people fall down, and it was just 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.040 something we had never seen before. But also you were 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:40.480 wildly athletic. Uh, you could tell that you were gonna 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:42.840 be a pro, but you just you were so young, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.800 Steve so young, I had to bounce around. I had 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:48.200 to bounce around. Uh. They drafted me and guaranteed me 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:51.080 twift was a blessing because it changed my life and 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:52.880 I ended up breaking both of my feet. They sent 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:54.920 me to the c b A and I when they 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:56.520 sent me to Australia and I broke both of my 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:58.560 feet and bounced around a couple of years. But I 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:00.360 think the Suns and I think you all because just 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.800 opening that door for somebody people don't know if you 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.960 just open the door for somebody sometimes that's all they need. 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:07.800 And the Danny Angel and the Sons, you guys did 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.480 that for men. I'm forever appreciative. Yeah, well, you can't 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.960 just fake six eight and skilled. That's what That's what 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.440 you guys are. That's what you guys are. You're both 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:20.720 champs NBA Champs, which is amazing, especially since you were 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:23.800 both second round picks. Well traveled. Uh do you guys 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.800 talk about that amongst yourselves. Not much, We don't talk 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.000 about it. I think, Uh, for the most part, I 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.840 think that's what makes us inseparable. That's what makes the 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:33.640 respect that we have each other because we both know 0:08:33.720 --> 0:08:36.280 we've been through the grind. You know, we don't need 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.240 applause from the outside audience for us to know what 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.120 we went through to get to where we at. You know, 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:42.800 we know, we know the ground we've been through, and 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:45.760 its respected between brothers. You know, I've been with Matthews 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.439 some tough times in his life. He's been around me 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:50.120 through some tough times in my life. So knowing that 0:08:50.240 --> 0:08:52.720 we both went through the grind, knowing that nothing was given, 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.480 we earned everything. I think that conversation that we don't 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.280 need to have because there's respect for each other is 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:00.400 already there. Yeah, you know, we don't really sit again 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:02.160 to kind of piggyback up what he said and kind 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.439 of go down memory lane. Like I said, we knew 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:06.760 it was a grind, but you know, we've transitioned into 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.680 this space and still kind of being underdogs, but really 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:11.559 creating our own way, similar to what we did in 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.560 the NBA. You know, neither of us knew we would 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.679 be in this media space and and having the success 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:19.199 we had. You know, we were both respectively working for 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.319 ESPN and Fox at the time, and you know, just 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:23.280 getting a lot of really good feedback, and you know, 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.280 someone said, no, you guys need to do something together. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.160 And we were like, okay, what is that? And you know, 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:31.559 I hit Jack, I'm like, let's let's do a podcast, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.559 and he's like, what's the podcast. I'm like, shoot, I 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:40.360 don't know, but I'm gonna figure it out. Uh. And 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:42.760 then uh, one of our guys, E who was the 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.679 producer on All the Smoke, he actually filmed um he 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.079 did a DeMarcus Cousins documentary and I spoke on it. 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.160 And after we were just kind of chopping it up, 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:52.760 and that's what I was doing. And you know, we 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.400 talked about the possible podcasts, like you need to talk 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:58.720 to Showtime. They have a Showtime Basketball they're about to launch. 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:00.400 You guys would be perfect. So know, I kind of 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.200 took that ran with it, kind of just dry pitched 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:05.640 Brian Daily kind of with my vision and who my 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:08.160 partner was at the time. They didn't understand like where 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:10.679 Jack would fit, like it's just you. I'm just like, no, 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:12.800 it's me and Jack. Like so Jack comes on sometimes 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.840 I'm like, no, Jack is my co host to this show, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:18.360 and this is how it's gonna work. And if it 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.319 Jack's not my co host, I can't do it, you 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:22.040 know what I mean. So they learned Jack quick fell 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:23.840 in love with them quick and understood what I saw 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.200 on him. And you know, now, you know a little 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:28.000 bit over a year year in the Space Man, we 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:30.599 we've come in and in one Sports Podcast of the 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.959 Year from My Heart last year and nominated for a 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.000 bunch of different awards this year. So, you know, definitely 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.200 humbled by the experience, but just kind of excited because, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.520 like you said in your opening, it's always been other 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:42.920 people telling our stories, and now we have the ability 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.640 to tell our own stories and uh, you know, have 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:47.880 the ability for other players to feel comfortable enough to 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.800 let them walls down because you know, Rex will tell 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.120 you ship we would never tell a reporter and vice versa. 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.199 And that's the kind of comfort ability we want to 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:55.720 be able to bring to our guests because we feel 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:57.160 like that's when you get the real of stories. So 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.000 I know that wasn't really the question, and the question 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:00.839 was that we talked about champ and chips, but I 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.040 kind of just took you on the process of you know, 0:11:03.160 --> 0:11:05.400 we understand that was the first chapter of our life 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:08.080 and now we're looking forward to moving forward in new 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.439 businesses and new spaces. We have new deals coming to 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:12.439 us every day, man. So we've definitely been blessed to 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.600 be able to play basketball for a living, which is crazy, 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.640 make good money, and now being this media space and 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:19.160 be able to talk ship half fun and make good 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.360 money as well. Man. I'm happy for you guys, of course, 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:26.000 but I'm proud because you know, for your retiring is scary. 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.160 It just is just something you've done since you were 0:11:28.200 --> 0:11:30.559 five years old and been serious about it. If you 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.760 played an NBA uh, for ten fifteen years. You've been 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:36.920 serious about this from before you even thought you were 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.559 being serious about it. So I'm just proud that you 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:43.400 guys are showing these younger guys that, hey, you know, 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.360 do right, try to do right, get out, and they're 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:53.920 still earning potential for you after you're done. Matt Barnes 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:57.120 and Stephen Jackson both played fourteen seasons in the NBA 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.880 on eight and nine teams were effectively you don't last 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:06.079 that long on that many teams unless you have skill, passion, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:11.559 and undeniable leadership traits. Stephen won his NBA championship in 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:15.240 two thousand three with the San Antonio Spurs, while Matt 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:20.040 won his title in with the Golden State Warriors. Both 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.760 were key cogs in the rotation. This dynamic duo captain 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:28.120 that we believe Golden State Warriors. In the O six 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.679 O seven season, in true underdog fashion, that team became 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.400 the third eight seed to beat a one seed in 0:12:35.480 --> 0:12:39.400 a seven game series. Watching them then and hearing them now, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.800 you knew that they were destined to lead on and 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:48.559 off the court. Matt, your your career fascinating me because 0:12:48.600 --> 0:12:51.240 you played everywhere but every fucking team you were on, 0:12:51.360 --> 0:12:53.199 you started on, you wouldn't need to be in the 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:55.360 league for a second, and all of a sudden they 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:58.840 had start. You go to someplace and and you're a starter. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.200 At what point in your NBA career did you feel 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:05.520 like you had some minted your place in the league? UM, 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.920 I would probably say, I mean the journey, you know, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.600 being drafted, cut, going to the d League for a year, 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:14.079 then being played for the Clippers. I came into the 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.040 Clippers situation body my way for ten days and making 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:18.720 that and I think where I made a mistake, although 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:20.160 it wasn't a mistake at the time because I was 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.839 so young, was you know, being from Sacramento. That's back 0:13:23.880 --> 0:13:26.200 in the early two thousands when ce Webb and Bibbie. 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.280 At first it was Jason Williams. They had those really 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.520 good Sacramento teams. So I'm going to school a U c. 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.560 L A, like the only one on campus, like all 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:34.640 the Lakers, my favorite team. I'm rooting for Webb and 0:13:34.679 --> 0:13:36.400 the Kings, you know what I mean. So at that time, 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:38.959 I'm working out with him every summer, hanging out with 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.640 them and being mentored by him. So instead of resigning 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:43.679 a two year deal, after my first year with the Clippers, 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:47.199 I jumped to Sacramento. Come just like Ship, this is 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.000 a good team, my hometown. This team had a chance 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:50.800 to win a championship. I'm gonna go here. And then 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.200 you know, Web gets traded to Philly, and so begins 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:54.960 kind of my marathon where I don't play for two 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.640 years there and then finally get a chance in Golden States. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:14:00.040 So I think I kind of got my foot in 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:03.280 the door in Golden State, but the evil Golden State, 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:07.360 my dumbass turned down to after Nellie gave me an opportunity. 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.200 I turned down a three year, twelve million dollar offered 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.280 because I came off the playoffs where I'm hearing Kenny 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:14.360 and Charles, this guy is gonna get you know, twenty 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:16.520 to thirty million, and I'm hearing all these numbers from 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.480 these experts. I'm like, shot, I'm about to get paid. 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:22.040 What So when that ego, that's that ego talking to 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.880 you know, especially because you know, bouncing around and not 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.760 even really sure if I'm gonna be playing, then you 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.120 hear twenty thirty million dollars on me, Ship, and then 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:32.000 Golden State offered me twelve I'm like, nah, So I 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.720 took a one year deal with Golden State for four million, 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.840 which piste off Nellie. Then the next year my mom 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.240 dies and then Nellie stops working with me, So the 0:14:39.360 --> 0:14:42.000 journey began. You know. So I kind of felt like 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.760 I got myself in the door in two thousand and seven, 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:47.200 but it was still a few years of one year 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.000 auditions after that until I really got my first multi 0:14:50.120 --> 0:14:51.520 year deal with a little bit of money to it. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:55.920 What about you, Jack, I think for me, um, it 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:57.560 was when I got to San Antonio and I was 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:00.200 able to start on the championship team. Uh, coming under 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:02.480 san Antonio. I had made the rookie team in New 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.360 Jersey the year before, but coming back after the rookie game, 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:07.320 I was leading our rookies and scoring. Byron Scott just 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.280 stopped playing, me stopped starting, So I didn't play the 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.800 rest of the years. So my confidence was down. But 0:15:11.920 --> 0:15:13.720 during that season, I remember I wanted to when we 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.760 played San Antonio in Jersey, Mike Brown snuck over there 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.920 when I was in my street clubs because Byron went playing, 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.760 was like keep you head, we come and get you. 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.120 And you know, I heard that before, but I didn't 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.280 know how serious it was uh that summer. Uh, they 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.920 brought me the summer League. I ended up playing, uh 0:15:29.040 --> 0:15:31.400 get signing with San Antonio. First year I was on 0:15:31.440 --> 0:15:33.200 the ange list, but the second year I played, and 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:36.040 I played like seventeen games off the bench. We were 0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.880 in Seattle and uh getting rid of to play Seattle 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:40.840 and Tim Duncan, I mean, Pop calls my room telling 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:44.120 me to come upstairs. That's that principal office call. I'm like, oh, 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.240 they're gonna cut me somebody from I'm gonna get cut 0:15:46.280 --> 0:15:48.680 over it. So when I get up there, it's Tim 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:50.840 Duncan is sitting in the room and Pop is like, 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:53.120 you avage an eighteen you're having in fifteen sixty and 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.840 something like that. Off the bench. We're gonna start you. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.920 And that was my moment that I knew, Okay, I'm 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:02.360 here to stay now. Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Gregg Popovich, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:04.160 this legacy. I'm a part of this legacy. I have 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:05.840 a chance to win a championship and I'm a starter. 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.480 H O G. That's exactly when I knew I was 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.800 here to stay, and my life change ever since I 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.600 started on that championship team with the Spurs. Isn't that amazing. Though. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.360 I have a couple of moments like that in my 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.400 career where I look back and and this person or 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:22.160 that person who I really respected, and I'm glad you 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:24.400 said that because you had gone and done your thing 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.360 in Jersey. You're playing for Byron right, Byron Scott at 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:32.120 the time. But when you went I was skeptical when 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:35.720 you went to the Spurs because that's Pop and Pop 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:39.200 has a certain way. But when you showed that you 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.520 could do that and you could play how Pop wanted 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:45.880 you to treat the game, integrity, character, knowing time and 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.280 score all that stuff. Once I saw you could do that, 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:49.920 I knew you were on your way. I mean, you 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.800 were gonna be undenied. With Rex. It was tough, though. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:55.040 It was tough because you know, you know, you know, 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:56.840 I mean where I come from. He was like, I 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.720 make woman's think he'll pull me out the game. And 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.280 at times I didn't know how to have other that. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.440 But I had Steve Kerr, I had Steve Smith, I 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:06.320 had Kevin Willis, I had I had those guys that 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:08.200 had my back. Then when I come out the game 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.439 blowing up, if I hadn't had those vetchrooms, I wouldn't 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:11.720 have made it, and I'd be the first to say it, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:13.680 because they had experience. They taught me how to be 0:17:13.760 --> 0:17:15.400 a man. They taught me how to be a professional, 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:17.040 and I needed that at the time, and that's the 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.800 only reason I made it in sand Sex. I think 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.879 that's one thing, not to cut you off, that is 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.920 missing from today's game because the game is so young. 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.240 You know, you look at last year where Steph Curry 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:27.960 is the oldest player on the Warriors and he's only 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.560 thirty two. You know, when you came in the game, 0:17:29.600 --> 0:17:31.040 when Jack and I came in the game, and Jack 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:34.240 gave you a perfect example. You need those veterans, even 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.399 if they're not getting consistent minutes. Even if they're not 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.360 this they served their purpose and you know, possibly save 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.360 Jack's career. I know I've had vets in my ear 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.200 like I just mentioned see Web earlier that kind of 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:45.399 talked me off the the edge of times. And I 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.639 think that's what the game is missing, because you know, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:49.560 now the game, the kids are making more money than 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:51.760 ever and they have no real guidance. They're not listening 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.680 to know when that's off the court because they don't 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.040 know what the fuss is like on the court, So 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:56.879 you need those vets in the locker room that can 0:17:56.920 --> 0:17:59.160 get through to some of these younger players and help 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.040 them in this trans asition, Like you know, you're going 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.080 from a boy to a man in a man's game 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:05.840 on and off the court, in life, with money and 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.000