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Speaker 3: If we're inclusive from the outchet.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 4: women like you. We're your hosts, doctor Dominique Bussard, a

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Speaker 5: And Terry Lomax, techy and motivational speaker. In a world

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Speaker 5: where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood, please join

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Speaker 5: us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything from fibroids

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Speaker 6: Lady.

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Speaker 5: We have a very special guest on the show today.

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Speaker 5: So I'm going to say is get your pen, bill paper,

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Speaker 5: as fire. Let's get into it. Jeff Nelson is known

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Speaker 5: Along with being known as the Relatable CTO. Jeff is

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Speaker 5: The leading company for black culture and millennials, and the

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Cultivating Hearts.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. I'm

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Speaker 6: Well, we are probably more excited to have you here

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Speaker 6: with us, and I know that our listeners are ready

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Speaker 6: the quote of the day, these are your words, Jeah,

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Speaker 6: My mind is an infinite canvas, praying by logic and reason.

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Speaker 6: I'm both an engineer who use this technology to make

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Speaker 2: Just humbled you know that that resonated with you all,

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Speaker 2: So my upbringing was really interesting. I was born in Chicago, Illinois.

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Speaker 6: Wow, wow, you do definitely have a fascinating origin story.

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Speaker 2: Power Universe and Shanda Rimes's universe with How to get

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Speaker 2: Away with Murdering and stuff like that.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of just like actual.

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Speaker 2: Masterpieces of the writing, the acting, character development applot, the

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Speaker 2: cinematography of it, all of it, the Breaking Bad Universe

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Speaker 2: absolutely the best.

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Speaker 3: That's a fact. That's not even an opinion, It's a fact.

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Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, damn.

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Speaker 5: I'll say I have a quick file of question about

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Speaker 5: this show. And I had a friend say the same thing,

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Speaker 5: and I haven't watched either. So my question is should

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Speaker 5: I start with Breaking Bad or Better Call Saw Off.

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Speaker 5: I've never seen either, and I see.

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Speaker 2: I love that you asked that question because here's the

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Speaker 2: beauty and this is why it's so good. Because both

451
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Speaker 2: of those shows independently are great shows. You could start

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Speaker 2: with either, or you could only watch one, but if

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Speaker 2: you have watched both of them, and I would recommend

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Speaker 2: starting with Breaking Bad.

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Speaker 3: If you'll watch both of them.

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Speaker 2: What is massfulle about those shows is that so you

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Speaker 2: could be watching Better Calls all and again. In its

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Speaker 2: own right, it's a fascinating story. But then if you've

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Speaker 2: seen Breaking Bad, it's like you're getting additional context for

460
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Speaker 2: Breaking Bad and it's like, oh wow, like this this happen,

461
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Speaker 2: but you don't need it right, And that's the beauty

462
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Speaker 2: of it is they were able to craft a story

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Speaker 2: that stands on its own, but if you watch the

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Speaker 2: entire universe, you get it's so much richer. So would

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Speaker 2: say start with Breaking Bad the first season. It's admittedly slow,

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Speaker 2: but stick with it because it's sort of like a

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Speaker 2: if you're going to you know, zero to sixty, it's

468
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Speaker 2: like you're that zero to to twenty is like real,

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Speaker 2: real slow, but then you go from.

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Speaker 3: Twenty to six, like and it's fast.

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Speaker 6: Okay, now, before we get to this final sentence completion,

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Speaker 6: I just have to put a little plug in, m Jeff,

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Speaker 6: go watch the wire and me and then yes, and

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Speaker 6: then say that yes it is yet and then I'm

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Speaker 6: curious to hear your opinion after you watch the wire.

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Speaker 9: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: One of my good friends is a delegate, Marlin Amper.

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Speaker 2: He's a delegate for the state of Maryland. He's from Baltimore.

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Speaker 2: He's gone, he's gonna kill me when he sees this,

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Speaker 2: because he's gonna say what he'll say, Baltimore is more

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Speaker 2: than the wire.

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Speaker 3: So that's one that's all say it is. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: city is more than the wire.

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Speaker 2: But he will kill me because he's like, look, it's

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Speaker 2: one thing for you to think breaking about it's better,

487
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Speaker 2: but you haven't even seen the wire. But that's how

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Speaker 2: confident I am that breaking back is the best. But

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Speaker 2: you know what, doctor domam going to do my homework.

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Speaker 2: I will put it to the test and then i'll

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Speaker 2: report back. I'll let you know if my opinion is

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Speaker 2: a wall it off.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we appreciate that, and we look forward to hearing

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Speaker 6: your opinion. Absolutely, and so our final sentence completion.

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Speaker 9: What I love most about myself.

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Speaker 2: Is what I love most about myself is how even

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Speaker 2: field I am like I am really I don't get

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Speaker 2: too high or too low, Like I don't really get stressed.

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Speaker 2: I don't really freak out. You know, sometimes it's scary.

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Speaker 2: And the reason I'm like that is because you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm the type of person whenever I'm always like, what's

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Speaker 2: the worst case scenario? And not only do I figure

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Speaker 2: out what the worst case scenario is, I force myself

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Speaker 2: to live in that space mentally and then respond to it.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm going to do something like when I've

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Speaker 2: ventured out to be an entrepreneur full time entrepreneur, quit

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Speaker 2: my day job.

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Speaker 3: To me, it was like, Okay, what's the worst thing

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Speaker 3: that could happen? Right now?

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Speaker 2: In any scenario, I think the worst thing that could

511
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Speaker 2: happen is death, right, So I'm like, Okay, well, death's

512
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Speaker 2: not going to happen, So what's the worst thing before that?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And then it's like, Okay, if that happens, what is

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Speaker 2: your plan for responding to it?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Let's say you go out and fail, you burn through

518
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Speaker 2: all your money, all this happens, what do you do next?

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Speaker 3: So then when you go to the.

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Speaker 2: Worst case scenario, and you not only live in that space,

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Speaker 2: but you have a plan for what you're gonna do,

522
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Speaker 2: like what comes next, Then there's nothing to fear right there,

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Speaker 2: because stress and all that is really just fear of

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Speaker 2: the unknown. If you force yourself to know the unknown

525
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Speaker 2: and to face the unknown and to sort of game

526
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Speaker 2: plan what you do next, then when things happen, it's like, look,

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Speaker 2: is this the worst case scenario?

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Speaker 3: Nah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, cool, So I can deal with this. I can

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Speaker 2: deal with the worst case scenario because I prepare for it.

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Speaker 2: So anything short of the worst case scenario, all right,

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Speaker 2: let's go.

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Speaker 3: Like what do we do? Boom boom boom. So I

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Speaker 3: can tend to be very very even killed.

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Speaker 2: And I think that is aid to me well as

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Speaker 2: an entrepreneur, is aid to me well, and you know,

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Speaker 2: in my family, with my friends, and just in life

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Speaker 2: in general.

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Speaker 7: Such a great answer.

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Speaker 5: And I'm so glad you covered the high because my

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Speaker 5: next question was gonna be, well, how do we get

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Speaker 5: more like you?

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Speaker 6: Jeff?

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Speaker 5: How come we be Michel? So you broke it down

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Speaker 5: for us, So thank you. So now got these photos

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Speaker 5: fulled up? So chose a number. She was a number of.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, let's let's go to number two.

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Speaker 9: Number two.

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Speaker 7: Okay, this is a good choice.

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Speaker 5: And what we want you to do is, Jeff, if

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Speaker 5: you can describe the photo first and then give us

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Speaker 5: the context behind it, because some people will only be

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Speaker 5: tuning into the audio of this interview, and then we

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Speaker 5: have others watching the visual, y'all if you watch the audio,

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Speaker 5: get ready. Okay, I'm gonna say, Jeff, got that, and

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Speaker 5: that's all I'm gonna say to Jeff.

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Speaker 3: All right, what's this? Okay? All right? So this this is.

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Speaker 2: A photo of me standing and you can't see the pool,

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Speaker 2: but a pool is in front of me.

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Speaker 3: Behind me, are are some's a bush, some trees.

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Speaker 2: I'm standing, I got my chain on, got my white

562
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Speaker 2: mus muscle shirt on, some some gray shorts, some sunglasses,

563
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Speaker 2: just looking cool, just looking posing.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: This was I think the this was taken in like February,

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Speaker 2: so this is like almost almost or March, right, so

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Speaker 2: February March, so yeah, so.

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Speaker 3: What was going on in this? So what was actually

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Speaker 3: going on in this?

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Speaker 2: The context behind this is that I was I mentioned

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Speaker 2: that there's a pool in front of me.

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Speaker 3: That you all can't see.

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Speaker 2: I agreed to go swimming, and I don't know how

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Speaker 2: to swim, right, so so somebody convinced me to get

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Speaker 2: in water.

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Speaker 3: And this was me. I don't even have swim trunks

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Speaker 3: right because I don't swim.

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Speaker 2: So this was me going to the pool sort of

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Speaker 2: my you know, like if I die, this is the

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Speaker 2: photo that.

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Speaker 3: I want everybody to remember or like, remember I was cool.

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Speaker 3: Remember I was fresh hat, the shades on and everything.

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Speaker 3: And as you can see, I did not die by

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Speaker 3: getting in that pool.

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Speaker 2: So shout shout out to shout out to just basic

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Speaker 2: life preservation.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there we go.

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Speaker 5: We are happy to hear that, and thank you for

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Speaker 5: playing along with this, Jeff, this is super fun. We're

590
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Speaker 5: going to ask you more questions that are like more

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Speaker 5: business related and also fun, but thank you for playing

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Speaker 5: along for the Oh you let's fun. Yeah, okay, so

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Speaker 5: let's see what directions should we go in?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 5: Don we talked a bit about your journey, can you

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Speaker 5: tell us a bit about some of the lessons you've

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Speaker 5: learned on the way, like on this journey that you've

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Speaker 5: been on with various experiences and maybe some of the

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Speaker 5: context of being a black entrepreneur in tech.

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Speaker 2: M So the biggest lesson I learned is math, and

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna wreak that down for you. The number one

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Speaker 2: sixty eight, the very important number, one hundred and sixty eight.

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Speaker 2: That's how many hours there are in week. Okay, now

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Speaker 2: I know that. You know, oftentimes people say, well, you know,

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Speaker 2: we all have we all get the same amount of time.

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Speaker 3: Then people were toorn and say, well, you know.

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Speaker 2: Beyonces, one sixty eight or twenty four hours in a

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Speaker 2: day is not the same as.

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Speaker 3: Mina blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: All that's true, right, But the reason one sixty eight

611
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Speaker 2: is so important is because if you sort of like

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Speaker 2: break it down right, time is the only thing that

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Speaker 2: you cannot get more of. So it is the most

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Speaker 2: valuable and precious resource that we have.

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Speaker 3: And so with one sixty eight. But if you sort

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Speaker 3: of you know, I like to do easy math.

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Speaker 2: So if you just sort of take you know, sixty

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Speaker 2: eight of those hours a week and break that down

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Speaker 2: to basic cell preservation, So eating, sleeping, and exercising self preservation, right,

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Speaker 2: that gives you about nine point.

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Speaker 3: Six or so hours a day to do those things.

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Speaker 2: Right, So you want to get seven to eight hours

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Speaker 2: of sleep, You want to know exercise thirty minutes or

624
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Speaker 2: so if you can, then you know, spend time eating

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Speaker 2: and then you know hopefully fellowshipping during that time, right,

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Speaker 2: or whatever the case may be. That leaves you one

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Speaker 2: hundred hours a week to do anything else you want

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Speaker 2: to do. Right, You've already preserved yourself. One hundred hours

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Speaker 2: a week. Sounds like a live one hundred hours a week. Wow,

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Speaker 2: But when you actually break that down, right, if you

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Speaker 2: work a job, stell forty hours a week, and then

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Speaker 2: you quickly realize that to really be good or proficient

633
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Speaker 2: at anything, it's about a thirty to forty hour week commitment, right,

634
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Speaker 2: So automatically that one hundred hours, when you break it

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Speaker 2: down into like these thirty to forty hour blocks, you're like, ooh,

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Speaker 2: I'll really only have space to do two to three

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Speaker 2: things well. Right, So if I want to if I

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Speaker 2: have a job and I want to really give that

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Speaker 2: my energy and advance and get promoted, maybe I want

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Speaker 2: to volunteer, Maybe I want to have a good social life,

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Speaker 2: maybe I want to do these things. Maybe I have

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Speaker 2: a side hustle. But you really only have space to

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Speaker 2: do two to three things really really well, right, And

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Speaker 2: so what I had to quickly learn is not only

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Speaker 2: prioritization and not only focused, but it's sequencing, sequencing right

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Speaker 2: because I don't again, I don't fit in boxes.

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Speaker 3: I want to do so many things.

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Speaker 2: There are so many things I want to tackle, and

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Speaker 2: the mistake I was making early on was trying to

650
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Speaker 2: do too much at once, right, And what I had

651
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Speaker 2: to quickly learn is what are the two to three

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Speaker 2: things that I'm going to do really really well. That

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that I don't think about the other things,

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Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that I don't make a little bits

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Speaker 2: of progress, But what are the two to three things

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Speaker 2: that I'm going to really hold myself accountable for and

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Speaker 2: really try to make progress on it at the time?

658
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Speaker 10: Right.

659
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Speaker 6: I love that, And I was sitting here taking notes

660
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 6: because I was like, okay, yes, and I'm sorry, two

661
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 6: to three things and make every time. Yes, this math

662
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 6: is actually math for me, exactly it is.

663
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 9: It is.

664
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Speaker 6: Now follow up question to that, how do you determine

665
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 6: because if we're not we're not fitting into any boxes

666
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 6: and we're good at a lot of things, Yeah, how

667
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 6: do we determine what two to three things to prioritize?

668
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: So the way that my mind works, and I say this,

669
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, I think that there's privilege that I have

670
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: that maybe others may not. So I do want to,

671
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 2: you know, just sort of give that caveat there. My

672
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 2: method may not work for everybody, but what works for me,

673
00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 2: you know, part of how I see myself and describe

674
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: myself as I say that I'm an artist. Now, I

675
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: can't draw, right, I don't have like any musical abilities, right,

676
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: so like the traditional definition of an artist, I really

677
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: don't have that skill setting. But the way that I

678
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 2: envision myself if you think of like the quintessential stereotype

679
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: of a painter who they have a studio and they've

680
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 2: got all these different canvases of all these different works,

681
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 2: and some of them are unfinished, and they have this

682
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: one that they've been working on for twenty years, and

683
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 2: every three years or so they'll go and they'll paint

684
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 2: another stroke, and then they'll go work on something else. Right,

685
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: they likes with the central stereotype there, And for me,

686
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: that's how my mind works. And you know a reason

687
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: I give you that sort of analogy there is because

688
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: it depends on what is inspiring me at any given time.

689
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: And inspiration for me comes from so many different things.

690
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: It comes from one what I've seen or what I've

691
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: been exposed to. It comes from traveling and the energy

692
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: that I'm getting, It comes from what my dreams are,

693
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: it comes from what I'm eating it. You know, inspiration comes,

694
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: you know, unexpected in so many different ways. And I

695
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: think that I am fortunate enough where I am in

696
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 2: a position where when I wake up I can listen

697
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 2: to what I am inspired by and what I am

698
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 2: inspired to do. And so those two to three things

699
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: where I wake up and it's like, look, I'm gonna

700
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: do it. It's like it's almost not even a choice.

701
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 2: It's like my brain, my body, everything is so driven

702
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: to work on these things because that is what I'm

703
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 2: inspired to do. Now.

704
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 3: Six months from now, that may be different.

705
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: My two to three priorities may change, and you know,

706
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: I may have gotten ninety percent on something and it's like, oh,

707
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: you know, the last modl of the journey, I'm not

708
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 2: as inspired anymore. I'm kind of boring with it now.

709
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: Now it's just like it's the boring parts of it.

710
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 2: I'm not inspired. And then there may be something else

711
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,879
Speaker 2: that is really pulling at me. And I think I've

712
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 2: been able to and I've been successful because I've been

713
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: in a position to listen to that inspiration. Because when

714
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: you're inspired, you know, it's all almost like it's almost

715
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 2: like running on adrenaline. You know, if you've ever done anything,

716
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,879
Speaker 2: if you're an athlete, or you've ever you know, done

717
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: anything physical where you you don't know how you did it.

718
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 2: You look back and it's like, wow, like my body was,

719
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: I was sore, I was heard, I was this. You

720
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: hear these stories about athletes who they injure themselves where

721
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 2: they keep going, it's because they're running on adrenaline right

722
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: when you're in you know, to me, inspiration is adrenaline

723
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: for the mind and the heart, right, And so that's

724
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 2: I think how you choose those those two to three priorities,

725
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Speaker 2: Like when you wake up, what is what are the

726
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 2: first things that are on your mind? What are the

727
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 2: things that no matter what you're doing, you find yourself

728
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 2: kind of mentally drifting and focusing on that. That's where

729
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: you if you can focus your energy and your attention.

730
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Speaker 5: That is such a beautiful it's a beautiful answer, but

731
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Speaker 5: it's also I'm glad that you caught it out as

732
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 5: a privilege as well, because I think we could all

733
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Speaker 5: do so much more in the world have we had

734
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Speaker 5: to if we had the opportunity to be able to

735
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 5: choose when we woke up like, this is what I

736
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Speaker 5: want to do. This is where my energy is flowing,

737
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Speaker 5: and way I feel inspired to do so great answer.

738
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Speaker 5: Thank you for sharing that. And we were, you know,

739
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Speaker 5: taking a look at your social media, Jeff, and we

740
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Speaker 5: noticed that you recently visited the capital and you are

741
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 5: discussing AI research and development development research with Senate Majority

742
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 5: Leader Chuck Schumer, and can you tell us a bit

743
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 5: more about the key points of your discussion and specific

744
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 5: measures you believe are crucial for ensuring equitable and responsible

745
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 5: AI development.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much.

747
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: I was fortunate to be able to go and have

748
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: that discussion with the Senate Majority leader. A couple of

749
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 2: things that struck me was one, this is truly bipartisan

750
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 2: work that is happening, and the Senate there, you know,

751
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 2: our politics are so divisives and things that you know,

752
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 2: I think that we as a country really need to

753
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: work together on. Unfortunately we're not. AI is hugely important

754
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 2: and right now it is bipartisan. And I actually ask

755
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 2: the Majority Leader about this, you know, I said, like,

756
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: why do you think that this is one issue where

757
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,240
Speaker 2: you got you know, for people who may be familiar

758
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,840
Speaker 2: with these these individuals, a senator like Josh Hawley from Missouri,

759
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: who's you know, really really conservative, who's working with somebody

760
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 2: like a Senator Amy klobash Are from from from Minnesota

761
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 2: who is is you know, really is a progressive Democrat,

762
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: right and normally not only do they not see I

763
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 2: to I, but they would you know, insult each other

764
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 2: and you know her political epithets and things like that. Right, So,

765
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 2: as a majority leader, why do you think that this

766
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: is something where you're actually seeing this level of cooperation?

767
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,720
Speaker 2: And what he said was because it's under the radar,

768
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 2: nobody knows about it.

769
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 8: Now.

770
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Speaker 2: I think the best danger is that in order for

771
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: us to make progress, we've had you know, it's like

772
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: these things have to happen on the low right, but

773
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 2: you know, these things. I had no idea that there

774
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 2: was actually bipartisan bills where they were looking at this stuff.

775
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 2: And I was also impressed by the fact that the

776
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 2: majority leader, and you know what I understand the senator

777
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: is looking at, they actually are looking at nuanced and

778
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,240
Speaker 2: detailed aspects of AI, its potential benefits, it's potential harms,

779
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: the need to regulate it, the need to not overregulate it,

780
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: like it's They're actually pretty well informed, surprisingly right, Which

781
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 2: was which is?

782
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: Which is good to hear?

783
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: I mean, this is such, this is such an important issue.

784
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 2: You know, I talked about movies earlier. I watched the

785
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: movie Oppenheimer a while back, which was a movie about

786
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 2: the development of the atomic bomb during World War Two.

787
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,720
Speaker 2: And you know, regardless of what you feel about nuclear weapons,

788
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: this isn't to make a statement about that per se,

789
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: but just that technology and its ability to wreak great

790
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: havoc as as nuclear warheads can or with in the

791
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: case of AI, could potentially, you know, propel us to

792
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: another dimension of capability and intelligence. If we don't come

793
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 2: together and really grapple with this collectively, it's dangerous. But moreover,

794
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: what I tried to stress the important with the majority

795
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: leader and everyone else in the room is that you know,

796
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: this has to be an issue where we don't backfield

797
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 2: diversity into it.

798
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 3: It can't be something where thirty years later we're like,

799
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Speaker 3: how do we make AI? You know, d E and

800
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Speaker 3: I for AI, like if.

801
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 2: Everybody hates D, E and I, right, we can stop

802
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: having the conversation about D and I if we at

803
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: the forefront are inclusive, right, it doesn't have to be

804
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: a thing if we're inclusive from the outset, right. And

805
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: that is so important in AI because if you think

806
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 2: about the potential use cases for AI, if you want

807
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 2: to use artificial intelligence to automate important decisions, whether it

808
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: is something as simple as hey, write this email for me,

809
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 2: or it's something as complex as people are talking about

810
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: AI based policing. Right, if you don't have inputs into

811
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 2: these data sets that are training these models, that are

812
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: diverse and representative and have these safeguards, then the outcomes

813
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,280
Speaker 2: are going to continue to perpetuate the same biases, biases

814
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: and race that exists. I mean, it's as simple as

815
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Speaker 2: if you and I'm sure there have been social experiences

816
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 2: of this. If you expose a child to racism, they

817
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: are more likely to grow up being racist. If you

818
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: don't expose the child to racism, if you sort of

819
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 2: put them in an environment where you don't create hierarchy

820
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: and highlight differences based on race and all these things,

821
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Speaker 2: then they're going to grow up in to them.

822
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Speaker 3: That's not going to be a thing.

823
00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, your skin's darker, minds like who cares, right,

824
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: And so it's similar, whatever you give to AI, whatever

825
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 2: you train it with, whatever you expose it to, that's

826
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 2: what is going to spit out. And all the data

827
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: that we have available now is riddled with bias because

828
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 2: the world is biased. So you have to be very

829
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: intentional about on the forefront, including people at the table

830
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 2: to combat that, to call it out, but then not

831
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: only that, to also benefit economically from it. We can't

832
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:54,720
Speaker 2: create a system where people are being able to create

833
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 2: new businesses that are based on AI, to monetize AI,

834
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: to get funding to research, and that's not going to

835
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,120
Speaker 2: black people into women into versus individuals. So that was

836
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: the conversation I have with the majority leader.

837
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Speaker 3: It's early.

838
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm optimistic, but with politics, you know, things change, and

839
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: unfortunately this might be one of those things where if

840
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: it gets risen to the consciousness of the political discourse,

841
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: then it suddenly becomes divisive and you know, people no

842
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 2: longer want to cooperate.

843
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 6: Yes, and you know, I love your response around how

844
00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 6: diversity needs to be included at the forefront, right and

845
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 6: So when you think about the work that you're doing, right,

846
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 6: how do you foresee the imprint that you're creating and

847
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 6: what enduring influences do you aspire to have in regards

848
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 6: to tech, all the fasces of tech and the community

849
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 6: that you're wanting to uplift, so black people women.

850
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all I answer that question in kind of

851
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 2: two ways. One is, you know, you you mentioned what

852
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 2: do I aspire to the impact? And the truth is

853
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 2: I don't aspire to have an impact? Right, and I

854
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 2: do this It's sort of like if I go back

855
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: to my analogy of being an artist, I think a

856
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: person's masterpiece. If you said out and say I'm gonna

857
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: this is gonna be my masterpiece, then it's probably gonna suck.

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00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 3: Right.

859
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: But the works that people that famous, whether it's painters

860
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: or sculptors or whoever, artists, what's considered their masterpiece as

861
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 2: usually the work that they themselves thought was pretty trashy

862
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 2: or they was like, oh I was not going to

863
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 2: even publish this one, or like I didn't even try

864
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: that hard on that.

865
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 8: Right.

866
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 3: You never know what's gonna end up being your masterpiece.

867
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 2: So the lesson and that is that I think you

868
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 2: just got to do the work because you love the work, right,

869
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: And so for me, I'm just in the work, and

870
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 2: sometimes I don't even I don't even recognize the impact

871
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 2: that I've had the fortune to play a role in,

872
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: you know, so people around me sometimes are like wow,

873
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 2: Like I think afro Tech is a great example, and

874
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 2: I think it's the answer to your question is is

875
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: what are the things that I'm doing that are looking

876
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 2: to sort of set up the institutions that are necessary

877
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: to combat this bias and AI and.

878
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:18,720
Speaker 3: The potential harmful effects.

879
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: I look at something like Afrotech that we've created at Blavity.

880
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: You know, we started the first Afrotech in twenty sixteen

881
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 2: afro Tech. The first day of the conference was right

882
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 2: after the twenty sixteen election, and I think, you know,

883
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 2: regardless of how you wanted that election to go, I

884
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 2: think we can all agree that the world itself, the

885
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: sort of preordained order of the world and how things

886
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,759
Speaker 2: were supposed to go, was flipped on its head.

887
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: And we've been we have been all script ever since.

888
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: We have been improvident as a world, as a country,

889
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: as a universe since right, And so you know, when

890
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: I think about Afrotech and one I think about both,

891
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 2: like at a macro level, when you are when Jay

892
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 2: z is rapping you and saying afro Tech in his lyrics,

893
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: when you know TV shows like Harlem, like that's part

894
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: of the dialogue, and you know we you know, Afrotech

895
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 2: is like the quintessential conference for Black people in tech

896
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: and entrepreneurship when you've when you've reached that point. But

897
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: then also I think about it on the level when

898
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 2: you know, I hear about people who are like, yeah,

899
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 2: you know, like I got to save up money. I'm

900
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: deducting you know, X amount of dollars from my check

901
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: every week so I can buy my Afrotech ticket right.

902
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: Or you hear about students who when they get a

903
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 2: scholarship from blavity dot org or one of our partners

904
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:39,200
Speaker 2: like the fun Too Foundation, who give scholarships to Afrotech,

905
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: and they come and they are in tears because they've

906
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 2: heard about this and they just wanted to go. Or

907
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: you hear about people who were at afro Tech and

908
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: they got a job when everybody else is being laid off,

909
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: they got hired. I think that that's important not only

910
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: for the community, but it's important for the companies, right

911
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 2: I've talked about for the community. The impact of being

912
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: in the room, being seen and also seeing other people

913
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: is empowering and it's important. And you know, similar to

914
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: the premise of this show where you know, so often

915
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: as black people and black professionals, when we are in

916
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 2: spaces where we are you, where there are a few

917
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: of us, we can only show one part of us.

918
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 2: We can't show the twerk, we can't show the two step,

919
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 2: we can't show the turnoup. We can only show the

920
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: professional voice and all that. Right, But and so many

921
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: people look for as afrobtape because it's the one time

922
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: of year where they can come and be their whole

923
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 2: sales or they can be on an expo floor and

924
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: look at your resume and interview you for a job.

925
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,839
Speaker 2: And then the decks. You know, later that evening they

926
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: are at the club listening to genuine or you know,

927
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,439
Speaker 2: listening to Rick Ross or partying or twerking or whatever

928
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 2: the case may be. And it does not feel at

929
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: any point like they have the code switch or they

930
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 2: are out of place. Nobody's looking at them funny, like,

931
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: oh my god, I didn't know that you have this

932
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: side of you or oh I've never seen you like that.

933
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I am shut nobody's looking to you

934
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 2: like that. Right, So that's just so powerful for the community,

935
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:09,160
Speaker 2: but also for the companies. It's important because it it

936
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 2: has completely removed the excuses that companies have had, which

937
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 2: is one the companies used to say it was a

938
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: pipeline problem. It's like, oh, we didn't. We didn't We

939
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: don't know where to find black talent. And so when

940
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: we started Affrotech, we said, okay, we will bring them

941
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 2: to you. That's why the first Afrotech was in San Francisco.

942
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: We you know, we said, oh, you don't have to

943
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 2: go anywhere, We'll come to Silicon Valley. Y'all just got

944
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: to show up. If y'all show up, we will too.

945
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: There will be no no more excuses, you know. And

946
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: now the excuse now was like, okay, well, you know

947
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: they're you know it. It's a qualification issue, right, you know,

948
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: the schools aren't preparing them enough, and and you know

949
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 2: the talent isn't qualified. So now with our Afrotech membership,

950
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: we're providing professional development and career coaching and all sorts

951
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: of other benefits so that we don't give companies any excuse,

952
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: right if you don't, if you if you say whether

953
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 2: you meet it or not, if you said, oh, we

954
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 2: value inclusivity and diversity, or even if you said, in

955
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 2: the wake of George Floyd being murdered, oh you know

956
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: we yes, we have to do more to invest in

957
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,240
Speaker 2: black people in black communities, and we have to change perceptions.

958
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: And if you said any of that, we will hold

959
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 2: you accountable. And we can hold you accountable because we've

960
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,920
Speaker 2: removed all the excuses. And that's what Afrotech represents, and

961
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 2: I think that is so important for the culture.

962
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 5: Amen to all that, And I just want to give

963
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 5: a quick Afrotech plug as well, because I've gone three times.

964
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 5: If I went to the AFRO second SF, I went

965
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 5: virtually when they had it in Austin recently, and I

966
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 5: will say it was so special, like being a black

967
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 5: woman who's been a predominantly white spaces as far as

968
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 5: my undergrad I've gone to PWIS and walking into that

969
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 5: conference hall and seeing my people and hearing music that

970
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 5: I love best.

971
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 7: Just being able to be your full self is so amazing.

972
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 5: But I will say as well, Afrotech gave me an

973
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 5: opportunity to swag ser with my people for the first time,

974
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 5: as I just wanted to shout it out so excited.

975
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 7: I was like the whole experience.

976
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 3: So yes, I love it.

977
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 7: But I wanted to ask you, thank you, Jeff.

978
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask you when I think about you

979
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 5: know that we were thinking about the title of this episode,

980
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 5: right standing on official Business. I think you put that

981
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 5: onto your posts and yeah, standing on official business, on

982
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 5: official business with Jeff Nelson, how can we stand on

983
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 5: official business in the spaces that we occupy? Because I

984
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 5: know many of us, we hear it from our listeners

985
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 5: all over the world, were often the only in the

986
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 5: spaces that we occupy. So from your perspective, how can

987
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 5: we stand on official business in those spaces when we're

988
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 5: often outnumbered?

989
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

990
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: So I think where it starts is I think all

991
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 2: of us should be introspective and figure out what, you know,

992
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 2: how do we want to move the world forward?

993
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 3: And that's kind of like broad and big.

994
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 2: But what I mean by that is it isn't about

995
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 2: like all I want to say the world, but it's like,

996
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 2: what what is the you know, what do you want

997
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,759
Speaker 2: to create in the world or how do you want

998
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: to impact the world in bigger, small ways. For me,

999
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 2: one thing that I am obsessed with is simplicity, right,

1000
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 2: and everything and everything that I do, I try to

1001
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: make the world more to just make it simpler, right,

1002
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of complexity in simplicity.

1003
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: But the reason I want to make the world simpler

1004
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: is because then you actually make it more accessible. And

1005
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: so when I think about technologies that I've been working on,

1006
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: like AI, people have used Chad Gbt's what's amazing about

1007
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: Chad gbt? Right again, right, Regardless whatever you think about

1008
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: AI or the tool of self, just this technology of

1009
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 2: being able to literally talk to a computer tele a

1010
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: computer is something and not have the no code.

1011
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 3: Or to be able to do some you know, amazing

1012
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 3: things pretty quickly.

1013
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: That is making the process simpler, but the technology behind

1014
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: it is very very complex, right, And so for me,

1015
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: I am obsessed with how do we actually just make

1016
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 2: the world simpler to interface with so more people can

1017
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 2: do it. You don't have to have gone to college

1018
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: and have a four or five year degree to have

1019
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 2: an impact, right, You don't have to have gone to

1020
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 2: this school or come from this background. You can be

1021
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 2: somebody that just has an idea right, and wants to

1022
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: make an impact, like that's that's what I am obsessed with, right,

1023
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 2: So everything that I do is in some way in

1024
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 2: service of that. And so I think for everybody to

1025
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: figure out what their why is.

1026
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: Right.

1027
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 2: There's a famous I believe it's a ted talk by

1028
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 2: Simon Sanak who it's called Start with Why, and he

1029
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: does the famous example of like with Apple's marketing, they

1030
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: back in the day, they didn't tell you what they did.

1031
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 3: They used to.

1032
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 2: They used to say, our why is we everything in

1033
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: the world. We think you should think different. They go

1034
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 2: from that to the thing different, and it's just it

1035
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 2: just so happens to be that we make computers. But

1036
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 2: you're already brought into the idea of like, oh, yeah,

1037
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: I think different. I'm a you know, they showed the

1038
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 2: images of the MLK and Gandhi and you see yourselfody,

1039
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: Oh I think different.

1040
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: I don't conform. I'm gonna buy that computer. Theyn't even

1041
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 3: even a computer.

1042
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 2: But you're so bought into the why, right, And so

1043
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 2: I think for every person you have to understand what

1044
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 2: your why is. And when you understand what your why is,

1045
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 2: that's how you stand on official business because no matter

1046
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: where you are, no matter what spaces you're in, no

1047
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: matter whether it's people who are like minded and you

1048
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: feel comfortable or you're the only person, you have that

1049
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 2: north star, you have that internal compass to let you

1050
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 2: know that when I'm in this space, this is how

1051
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to incrementally move things closer to what I

1052
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: want to see in the world because I understand what

1053
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: my why is.

1054
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: I understand why I'm here.

1055
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 2: I understand not hearing this space, but on this earth,

1056
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 2: and so wherever I am, I'm going to stand on

1057
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: business as a result.

1058
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 7: Oh yes, I love that.

1059
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:50,640
Speaker 9: Thank you, Thank you, Jeff. We have thoroughly enjoyed this interview,

1060
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 9: and we hope you did too.

1061
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:53,399
Speaker 3: Oh, I have had a great time.

1062
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:54,239
Speaker 7: Thank you, Thank you.

1063
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 9: We're glad to hear it.

1064
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 6: And I know that our listeners are going to want

1065
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,560
Speaker 6: to know how to connect with you because our listeners,

1066
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 6: you know, Blavity has such a huge impact in the

1067
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 6: black community. I think the latest set that I read

1068
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 6: was that you all read like two hundred and fifty million.

1069
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, millennial and GZ we.

1070
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: Are the largest platform for for black lineary use me

1071
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 2: surpass BT. You know I grew up where we're et

1072
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: you know what the what's the platform for black? We

1073
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,839
Speaker 2: passed that digitally, so and even say that, I mean

1074
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: that's humbling and it's also so real.

1075
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: It's like I'm just like, Wow, I'm part of it.

1076
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 9: Reach Yes, s U are. This is amazing. And so

1077
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 9: for our listeners who might not have connected.

1078
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 6: The dots, can you one let them know where they

1079
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 6: can connect with you and two let them know all

1080
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 6: of the platforms that are a part of black so

1081
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 6: that they make that connection between your impact and how

1082
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 6: they are taking part in this.

1083
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for the question. So for me,

1084
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 2: you can find me on all the social media platforms.

1085
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,800
Speaker 2: I am that Jeff Nelson, So just at that Jeff

1086
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 2: Nelson on all social media platforms. You can also reach

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Speaker 2: out to me on my website Jeffnelson dot com. Would

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00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 2: love to connect and network and if I can be

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00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 2: of help in any way, please reach out and you know,

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00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 2: I'll try my best to help or connect you with

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00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,439
Speaker 2: resourcing that can help.

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Speaker 3: And in terms of Glavity, yes, Blavity is a big company.

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00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: Blavity is a holding company with so much under the

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00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: portfolio that maybe people have heard of or.

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00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 3: Maybe they haven't, or maybe they use it and they're like,

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00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that was part of Blaby.

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00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 2: We have people who hate Blavity but they like there's

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00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,239
Speaker 2: another thing that Blavity all that they love and they

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00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: don't even make the connection. So hopefully I'm not about

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Speaker 2: to you know, ruin it for anybody. But you know,

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Speaker 2: but first of all, Blavity is a media company, right,

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Speaker 2: and so we have several media brands. First and foremost

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00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: is Blavity Media, so that's Blavity dot Com and Glavity

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00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: Entertainment formally Shadow and Act. And then under Blavity Media,

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00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 2: we also have Travel War, We have Home and Texture,

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00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: and we have twenty one ninety. Home and Texture is

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00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 2: our brand for interior design, home inspiration, DIY all good things,

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00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: so you know, if you are buying a home or

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00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: you're renovating a home or decorating, Home and Texture has

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00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: some good stuff for you. Twenty one ninety is our

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00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 2: brand for women's health, powerment, health empowerment and fitness and

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00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: in professional development. Glaby is all about news and entertainment.

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00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 2: And then in addition to being a media company, we

1114
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: are a company that has live events, right, and so

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00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,719
Speaker 2: we have a protech conference, which we've talked about is

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00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 2: the premiere place, so please check out. Aprotech will be

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00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 2: in Houston this year in twenty twenty four in November,

1118
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 2: second week of November, so please check us out.

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Speaker 3: Go buy tickets now at afrotech dot com.

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Speaker 2: But adition to Afrotech, we have we're now putting on

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Speaker 2: this year our first music festival.

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00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:05,439
Speaker 3: So we have a.

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Speaker 2: Brand called Blavity House Party and we are putting on

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Speaker 2: the Blavity House Party Music Festival in June in Nashville.

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Speaker 2: And editions that, We've got a lot of other live

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Speaker 2: activation throughout the year, activation surrounding the Grammys, NBA All

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00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: Star weekend, So a lot going on in the live

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Speaker 2: event space. In addition to the media and the live events.

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Speaker 2: We are a company that is concerned with connecting employers

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00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 2: that are hiring to black talent that wants to develop

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00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: it and accel professionally and get jobs. And so we

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00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 2: have a platform called Talent Infusion that is where you

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00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: can go and get connected to these employers. We have

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00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: so many employers who come to us because they know

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Speaker 2: our ecosystem. It's where they can find black talent that

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00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 2: is curated that is qualified, that is going to come

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00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: in and have an impact. So if you want to

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00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 2: get hired, go to Talent in Fusion. If you are

1139
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 2: looking to hire, go to Talent in Fusion and find

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Speaker 2: the talent.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 2: So we've got media, we've got live events, we've got

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Speaker 2: recruiting and hiring and depressing an inclusion and then lastly

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00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: beyond that, Glavity is a provider of technology to other

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,200
Speaker 2: media companies. We run, We do provide three sixty white

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00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 2: glove service for other media companies to monetize their content.

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00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 2: So when we were building Blavity, you know, one of

1148
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 2: the things we realized was making money on content is hard.

1149
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: It's easy to put content out there, right, and some

1150
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 2: people on social media who you.

1151
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,840
Speaker 3: Know, go viral.

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00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 2: It's not easy to go viral, but you know, you

1153
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 2: people go viral every day. It's hard to make money

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00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 2: from it. Though.

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00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: You find the real quickly when people are.

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00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I got fifty million views and it's like, well, man,

1157
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 2: only I ain't geting me money from this, right, what

1158
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: we do We have to build the operations, ad operations

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00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 2: and you know, sales teams and all of that to

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00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,960
Speaker 2: monetize our content. Early on what we said was instead of,

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00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: you know, instead of other multicultural media companies struggling to

1162
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: do what we did and making the same mistake we did,

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00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 2: how can we provide everything that we've learned as a

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00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 2: service to these companies. So we actually run the monetization

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00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 2: services and ads for dozens of other media companies in

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00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 2: the past. We run them for sites like the Shade

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00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,919
Speaker 2: Room or a ball Er Alert or a Jasmine brand.

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00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 2: You know, big sites and small sites, So you know,

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00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:20,400
Speaker 2: Blavity's a big company, and you know, ultimately what we're

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00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: about is is really just trying to make sure that

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00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 2: you know, black culture is something that is one seen

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00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: by black people in a way that respects the diversity

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00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 2: within black culture and celebrates it.

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00:57:35,160 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 3: And then we can show that to.

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Speaker 2: The world in a way where we are the owners

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00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: of it and we are the ones who are dictating

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Speaker 2: what it means instead of the other way around.

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Speaker 7: Amazing.

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Speaker 5: I mean, this has been so great, Jeff, Thank you

1180
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 5: so much. I didn't even know that Blavity was doing

1181
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 5: all that, So thank you for educating us as well.

1182
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 5: Thank you listeners. Y'all over to touch base with Jeff.

1183
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 5: Hopefully this won't be the last time we chat with you, Jeff.

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00:57:58,400 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 5: Let's definitely keep it touch and we.

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Speaker 3: Appreciate Please, thank you so much, it's been my pleasure.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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