1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:09,640 Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast always delivers the mail. Welcome 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,159 Speaker 1: to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. My 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: name is Dan Hansis I come to you for me 4 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: virtual We're filled with some heroes. Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal. 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 1: You know guys, I uh, I saw this tweet Mark 6 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: that you've sent late last night from your boy to 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield. I'm gonna read it right here. Please, we're 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: gonna break it down. And by the way, Baker's profile 9 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: info reads headband and Justin Timberlake fan. Too bad, Ricky's 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: not on today's show. Believe, let go and let God 11 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: build different mm oh okay, here is uh the tweet 12 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: almost M fill in the blanket there, Mark said his wife, 13 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Emily's his Yes, his wife Emily. Yeah. Were you at 14 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: the wedding? No? No, I don't. They don't consider me 15 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: someone that would go to their wedding at all, not 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: even remotely. Almost M and I I have a wife 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 1: named Emily. I have never once used M. Just to 18 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: be clear there, just getting everything out there. I have 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: a wife named Amica, and I do use them sometimes 20 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: sometimes I wouldn't write it out, wouldn't write it out 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: almost relatable. Yeah, and I just saw a UFO dropped 22 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: straight out of the sky. On our way home from dinner. 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: We stopped and looked at each other and asked if 24 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: either of us saw it, very bright ball of light 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: going straight down out of the sky toward Lake Travis. 26 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: Anybody else witnessed this kind of a insane tweet from 27 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback, but also different. And I know you 28 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: like that, Mark, I. I loved it. I immediately realized 29 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: to why he is the quarterback of my favorite team. 30 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think it takes a 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: little bit of um bravado to put that tweet out there, 32 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,799 Speaker 1: because you're immediately going to get killed by nineties seven 33 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: percent of people, right, So all right? Can can these 34 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: aliens turn it down here a little bit? Yea, we 35 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: get the tone. Um. Look I I I believe him 36 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: because I think this stuff is happening. I told you 37 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: when I when I came, you said tweet. Your tweet was, 38 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: this is my quarterback forever. Now, well, you know we 39 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: had just gotten together actually last night, the three of 40 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 1: us and you guys ate some if I recalled jerk 41 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: chicken and I had some uh curried vegetables, very nice meal. 42 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: The three of us eating not at all. I don't 43 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: that's not that's not who I am. That's not I 44 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't go down that road. And then I got 45 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: home and I saw this tweet and I thought, the 46 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: world is growing stranger by the minute, um, and it's 47 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: no one is free of it. I could didn't be 48 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: more excited that they had this spotting. And I believe you, 49 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: Baker Mayfield and Emily Mayfield. You, I mean, I'm my 50 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: wife is from Texas. A lot of connections here, Mark, 51 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: and she grew up outside. Where was she last night? 52 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,399 Speaker 1: I'm starting to get I don't know. I was at 53 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: to dinner with you. But she grew up in a 54 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 1: small town outside of Waco, Texas and really in the 55 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: shadow of Fort Hood, UM, the US military base where 56 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: they do a lot of training and also UM experimenting 57 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: with different equipment, some of it flying apparatus apparati or 58 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: is it just apparatus? And sometimes it would you would 59 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 1: see crazy stuff in the sky and sometimes and Emily 60 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: grew up kind of almost on like a farm, UM, 61 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: the US military would just touched down like in the 62 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: middle of like a crop field. And uh, but my 63 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: my feeling in this situation is that, uh, Texas, this 64 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: is probably some type of military aircraft and not an 65 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: actual alien spaceship. And I think it should be clear 66 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: that UFO is an unidentified flying object. Baker is not 67 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: saying it was aliens. He was just saying something weird 68 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: was in the sky. Und can I ask you this question? 69 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this is that's That's just the great thing 70 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 1: I think that they've come up with, is we blame 71 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: now we just suggest it's military operations which are innately covert. UM. 72 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: If you for me and I you know, I am 73 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: anti at this point, after what our country has been through, 74 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm not digging into insane stuff, but I would say this, like, 75 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I am curious as to where our military got some 76 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: of the incredible technology that is not used in common 77 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: day UM practices. UM. There are interesting reports, and there 78 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: are actually like ex military from the forties and fifties 79 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: who are like, I'm nine, comm assassinate me if you'd wish. 80 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: But I do have some things to share and I 81 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 1: have secrets. So I think the umbrella of the military 82 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: is one that allows us to quickly explain things away. 83 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: But that's a talk for another time. I think they 84 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 1: obviously saw something weird or ate something weird at the 85 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: at dinner. Save it for the Heat and Light podcast, 86 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: you know, definitely, I um, yeah, I think two things 87 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: can be true. That there is some legitimate UM investigations 88 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: and proof lately about you know, life um outside of 89 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: this earth that that's worth investigating, And that this thing 90 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: they saw in the sky is you know, probably easy, 91 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: easily explainable that this one example, you know, just because 92 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 1: you saw something. I see things in the sky all 93 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: the time, you know, is there there's probably an explanation 94 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: you know, right to that SENTI an alien life form, 95 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: uh in this solar system beyond us? Well, what does 96 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: sense you mean like like kind of like kind of 97 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,240 Speaker 1: beings in the solar system? Is I would say I 98 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: think that there's not it's unknown, but there's not a 99 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: lot to suggest that UM as proof. But I would 100 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: say this, what would be more American and megalomaniac to 101 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: think that we're the only people amongst the billions of 102 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: clusters and planets and stars and undiscovered corners of a 103 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: universe that we only know half of one billion percent about. 104 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 1: I mean that we're the only Hey look at us, 105 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,720 Speaker 1: and we've figured it out by the way, let's I mean, 106 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: we've figured it out here in America. We are often well, 107 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: but also we're doing we're also doing awesome, Like we're 108 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 1: doing a bang up job. This are gonna give me 109 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: in great shape a long time. And everyone's happy. Is 110 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: like Mars is like you've landed on our planet. He said, No, 111 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: how was a little surprised there, he said, No, Basically, 112 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: that's what I do think there is you know, our 113 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: solar system. I think is is that's a that's a 114 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: small little space. And what happened over in Roswell forty seven, 115 00:06:56,040 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: that's a question for another day. All right, Sure, what 116 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: happened in Waco, that's a question for another day. Lots 117 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: of you suspect areas you're I'm with you. By the way, 118 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: there's been at Baylor. That was a disaster. To remember that, 119 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, the bailor. That was an ugly time in 120 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: Baylor's history. But it doesn't it's not the full picture 121 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: of the university. All right now, I'm defending back. I 122 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: forgot I forgot your connection to I just meant that 123 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: part of the world's had a lot of crazy. No, 124 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: there's probably some really nice like science students doing nice 125 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: experiments there too, so it's there a lot of good happenings. UM. 126 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: Today's show is a good one. We have Mike Tannenbaum, 127 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: former NFL general manager, and now he is doing his 128 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: thing on the media side of things. In fact, he 129 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: just UM he launched UH website recently, the third Team, 130 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: the thirty third Team, So make sure you check that out. 131 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna join us. We're gonna catch up with him 132 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: and talk about what's going on in our league. UM, 133 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: and we're gonna do some quarterback talk. It's a good show. 134 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: But before we get into talking about some quarterbacks in 135 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: limbo and and UM. An article I wrote on nfl 136 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: dot com this this week, would you would you guys 137 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: check out this Ravens overtime proposal? I find it wild. Yeah, so, 138 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: UM this I'm reading off a p FT report UM 139 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: per multiple sources with knowledge of the situation. The Ravens 140 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: will be proposing a pair of overtime procedures premised on 141 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: the concept of spot and choose one team. There's a 142 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: still coin flip. The team that wins the coin flip 143 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: has the option or has the opportunity to spot the ball. 144 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: So they could say anywhere on the field UM, and 145 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: then the other team that loses the coin to us 146 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: gets the chance to say, Okay, we'll take the ball 147 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: from that spot that you've set or will defend UH 148 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: from that spot, and I guess it takes away the 149 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: chance on some level and makes it a choice for 150 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: the two teams, and it would eliminate UM the UH. 151 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: It would become sudden death again, it would return revert 152 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: to sudden death, but lessening the impact of the coin toss. Greg, 153 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts about this? I think it's fascinating. 154 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm all for UH innovative thinking. It makes me think 155 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: there's not much chance of it actually passing because you know, 156 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: they didn't do the fourth and fifteen idea that they've 157 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: talked about UH instead of on site kicks. This to 158 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: me is similar. I think you can also choose okay, 159 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: I'll take the ball, and then if you win the 160 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: coin toss, and then the other teams like, okay, you 161 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: get it at the five or what you know, I'm 162 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: not sure what the order is, UH. You know, the 163 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: order is the team that wins the coin toss sets 164 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: the one when you put the put them at their 165 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: at their own one. Yard line every time. If that 166 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 1: then you go. You then give the other team the 167 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: choice of what the yardage that the winning coin toss 168 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: team chose. So the fact that there's two proposals that 169 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: are similar ish um in. The Patriots apparently support another 170 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: version of this where you UH play it for seven 171 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: and a half minutes no matter what, and the Ravens 172 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: have one that it would be sudden death. UH strikes 173 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: me that the chances they're already not aligned even the 174 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: which way to do this, that it's gonna be tough 175 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: to get a consensus. But I love it. I think 176 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: it would give the analytics department something to do. I 177 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: would not be trusted Andy Reid to just be making 178 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: up his mind on the spot. I mean, you got 179 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: these guys can't even you know, no one to take 180 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: a time out at the end of the half. So 181 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,839 Speaker 1: you better like have your plan of what you're gonna 182 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: do coming into the game. Uh if you hit the overtime, 183 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: but it's fine, let's add some strategy. There's not that 184 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: many overtimes anyway, so let's play around with him. I 185 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: do I think John Harbor is very aggressive with his 186 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: UH this time of year, with the Ravens always seem 187 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: to come up with stuff like this. It um. The 188 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: analytics community will go nuts and think about this when 189 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: NFL twitter um discovers a team that hasn't really dipped 190 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,719 Speaker 1: into analytics and they're taking the ball at like their 191 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: own at their own forty or something, and everyone's going 192 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: absolutely nuts. There's gonna be a lot of weigh ins 193 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: and a lot of opinions, and that is good and bad. 194 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: But I think it's a spicy rule. I approve. What 195 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: if you have the Rams defense from a year ago 196 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: and you're playing a mediocre offense and you're like, we'll 197 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 1: we'll say the thirty one. Let's not even make an 198 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: even number thirty one. Uh, you guys can take the 199 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: ball that you know, take the ball Bengals with Brandon Allen, 200 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: you get it first because we think we're gonna stop you, 201 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: and then all we gotta do is kick a field 202 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: goal to win. I mean there is a lot of 203 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: fund strategy that would come from Yeah, I mean you 204 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: mentioned the forty mark. I think that's a no brainer. 205 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: But then once you start to tick backwards and you 206 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: get to around the thirty, if your offense isn't that good, Uh, 207 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: you're gonna probably think twice about am I gonna be 208 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 1: able to march the sixty yards or whatever to get 209 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: into scoring range? According to that I don't know where 210 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: this comes from, but according to the uh Florio post 211 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: on p FT, and I'll use I'll quote it, it's 212 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: believed that the break even point would be the thirteen 213 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: yard line. For the fourteen or beyond, the team choosing 214 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 1: offense or defense will be more likely to take the ball. 215 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: For the twelve or closer, the team choosing offense or 216 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: defense will be more likely to opt to defend. I mean, 217 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot of factors beyond that would make I don't 218 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: know where he gets that, but uh, I guess it 219 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: kind of I could see playing out that way, but 220 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,440 Speaker 1: I don't know the Belichick angle of it. Greg, So 221 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: that's the other proposal. Does that mean that it would 222 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: be a ten minute overtime and then Belichick saying there 223 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 1: would be another seven and a half minutes. Now he's 224 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: saying just make it. No, he's saying, there's uh regular 225 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: seven and a half minute overtime period, so not even ten. 226 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: You bump it down to and a half minutes. And 227 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: whoever is leading at the end of that wins. You know, 228 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: no sudden death component at all, no side in death. 229 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: But in theory, if you know, it would give the 230 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 1: second team a chance, perhaps, uh to to go back 231 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: and score to match it. That would be that would 232 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: be fun. I'm all for shorter over times either, I 233 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:11,280 Speaker 1: don't need a long one. Interesting alright, good stuff, all right, 234 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: let's yeah, let's talk a little quarterbacks before we get 235 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: Mr T on the phone here. Uh, Like I said, 236 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: wrote a piece on NFL dot Com and I was 237 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: looking through I did the same exercise last year, and 238 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: I feel like it didn't always used to be this way, 239 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: but things have been a little funky, uh in the 240 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: last a couple of years in the NFL, where a 241 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: really high number of quarterbacks are in a little bit 242 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: of limbo this time of year. And I counted fifteen 243 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: guys um right now, and I have is like like 244 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: last year, the big domino is Tom Brady and everything 245 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: was about Brady and wherever he landed. Then you started 246 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: to figure out the rest of the pieces. This year, 247 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: it's it kind of is DeShawn Watson. But because the 248 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: way the Texans have handled this and they purposefully, uh, 249 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: they're either you know, have their head in the stand 250 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna trade this quarterback no matter what 251 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: he's saying or the message he is sending, or they're 252 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: just deciding to keep it murky and do it on 253 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: their own timetable. It kind of puts all these teams 254 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: in a really tough position about how long do you 255 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: wait if it happens, if they if they're not gonna 256 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: pull a trigger on a deal before the draft, you 257 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: can't like be passing on quarterbacks in the draft on 258 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: the hope that Deshaun Watson comes available. So it's kind 259 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 1: of a strange situation. But he's just like the first guy. 260 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 1: And I'll use it one example from this list, and 261 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: I'd like to hear you guys quarterback that jumps out 262 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: to you when you break down kind of where their 263 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: paths can can ride. So Jimmy Garoppolo for the forty 264 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 1: Niners as an example. I think the best case scenario 265 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: for Jimmy g is that the forty Niners, they do 266 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: their homework, they study all their options here. Uh, they 267 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: kicked the tires Undershaun Watson. They look at the UM 268 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: veterans out there, Uh, they check the draft class, and 269 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: they say, you know what, we got this guy in 270 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: our house. Let's give him one more try, and and 271 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: then Kyle Shanahan says, all right, he's our guy. Lets 272 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: the media know that there's no drama, and he gets 273 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: he gets his shot. The worst case scenario, obviously, is 274 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: they get a quarterback from an outside source and Garoppolo 275 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: gets put in this situation where his career goes from 276 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 1: this perfect landing spot with San Francisco with great coaching 277 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: and great personnel and just get sent to who knows 278 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: where and just barely trying to hang on to a 279 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: starting job. In best case scenario and some type of 280 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: camp battle um and then I think the most likely 281 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: scenario is and this, And let me know if you agree. 282 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: I do think he's their quarterback in despite all the 283 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: smoke out there, I, if I had to guess, I 284 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: don't see the same desperation with John Lynch and Kyle Shannon, 285 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: at least outwardly that we saw with the Rams and 286 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: Jared Goth and I think it points the most likely 287 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 1: him getting a do or die fifth season in San Francisco. 288 00:15:57,560 --> 00:16:00,040 Speaker 1: I agree with that because I think they know they're 289 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: in a in a flexible position for for Deshaun Watson. 290 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 1: They are in the best position, in my mind of 291 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: any team in terms of being able to wait it out. 292 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: They are not in the best position of having the 293 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: draft assets like the Jets or or some other teams 294 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: because Number one, Jimmy G. People think that Jimmy G contract, 295 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: he's not making that much money. He's sort of at 296 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: almost the minimum of what franchise quarterbacks are right now, 297 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: which is like millions. You don't want to be paying 298 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: Jimmy G. That he stinks, but there's no guarantees. The 299 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: bigger thing is you can trade him, you can cut him, 300 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: you can do anything with no cap hit whatsoever, anytime 301 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,240 Speaker 1: you want. You can do it in August, you can 302 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: do it in May. So they are in a unique 303 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: position to wait out. They also know there might be 304 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: a market for Jimmy G. I think the Patriots would 305 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: gladly take on that quarterback contract, depending on where they're 306 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: at at that point in the off season. But I 307 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: also think they look at what's around there and out there, 308 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: and they don't see anyone better than Jimmy G. So 309 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: they can just sort of hang tight. So I think 310 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: you know they're like, I do you know I think 311 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: that in general, like kid to buy the idea that 312 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: yeah we have faith in him, Yeah we want to 313 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:07,400 Speaker 1: bring him back. Um, there's whispers that they are interested 314 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,399 Speaker 1: in Kirk Cousins. There was whispers last year about Tom Brady. 315 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: It's like, I think their thing is this, like the 316 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson thing is a real possibility if they had 317 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: a chance, because I think it's like, you don't do 318 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: this to Jimmy G. And you don't do it after 319 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: everything you've said, unless you have a chance to get 320 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: a franchise altering type quarter back that no fan of 321 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: the forty Niners would disagree with that scenario. I mean, 322 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: for me, the Jimmy G thing, the experience has been 323 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 1: rocked a little bit by his durability. Like I just 324 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: we've seen two seasons of Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco 325 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,960 Speaker 1: totally sideswiped by him being out of the lineup. And 326 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,000 Speaker 1: when he's been in the lineup, I don't think he's 327 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: nearly as good as that five game introduction he had 328 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: when we were all writing amazing think pieces because he 329 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: looked like the next big thing. He's not been that 330 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: guy ever since. Alright, throw out another name there. I 331 00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: don't even care if it's on my list, but I 332 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: bet he is. They want they won some playoff games. 333 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: Poor Jimmy j You know you bowl? Go ahead, Mark, 334 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: how about how about your guys? Sam Donald? I think 335 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: it's a very interesting case because you know, Sam Donald 336 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: for someone that's essentially sort of struggled but shown great 337 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: moments a little moments too that I think it kept 338 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: the people that, um, we're fascinated with Sam Donald when 339 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: he came out of usc um alive and in hope 340 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: that he could restore his career, and you'd have to 341 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 1: look at the Jets and say, yes, he was put 342 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: in a terrible situation. So I'll start with the worst 343 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 1: case scenario. I think that that is, Um, you know, 344 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: they have the chance to get to Sean or they 345 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: just go take Zach Wilson at number two and Donald's 346 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: very brief, Um, but how did New York career comes 347 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,399 Speaker 1: to it? And he's shift maybe he shift to a 348 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: team like the Bears and they don't have their act together. 349 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: And then by he's hosting like inside USC on Channel 350 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,200 Speaker 1: ninety seven here in Los Angeles and he's out of 351 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. It's like you're just out, like maybe you 352 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: run out of answers and there's too many. I was 353 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: gonna say that, well, you know, it's it's ardly still 354 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 1: in the league. I was like, does that does Barkley 355 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 1: have that? I was like, no, Barkley is actually outlasting 356 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: Sanchez quiet. It's kind of how many you can see 357 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: quarterbacks wind up just on television. So I think that'd 358 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: be the worst case because it would make me Sidner 359 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: best case for me, and I think this is the 360 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:23,879 Speaker 1: thing I could see this in Dan. You kind of 361 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 1: suggested this, and I don't know if they're wedded to 362 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: the concept of this. It's a little risky if they 363 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: pass up on someone who becomes great out of the draft. 364 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: You keep Donald, You've got this amazing chance to build 365 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: around them for the first time. And I also do 366 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,360 Speaker 1: think that with Mike Laflour coming in and running an 367 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: offense that quarterbacks have thrived in, it's a current Kyle 368 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: Shanahan type offense, you might get the version of Sam 369 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: Donald that we've all waited for. I mean, it's just 370 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: been someone who's been in a terribly unfair situation. That's 371 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: your best case. What do I think will happen. I 372 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: think they'll they'll just be too compelled to move on 373 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: because almost like because there's too much, there's too many 374 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 1: intriguing options in the hype on Zack Wilson and the 375 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:08,439 Speaker 1: chance for DeShawn Watson. It's just too juicy. And I 376 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: think because you can get something back for Sam Donald 377 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: and sell it as we're giving him a new opportunity 378 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: to that the divorce feels imminent. But it makes me 379 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: feel a little bit sad for old school Jets fans 380 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,440 Speaker 1: because I do think he can go on and succeed elsewhere. 381 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: And if anything went wrong with what New York's behind 382 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: number door number two scenario was, and Donald went somewhere 383 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: else and let another team to the playoffs, oh boy, 384 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: so I I mean that is somewhere good. That's the 385 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 1: Jets worst case scenario. But you know what if and 386 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna take Zack Wilson, there's a lot 387 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: of breadcrumbs out there. You look and move the sticks 388 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: where he's mocking him, and you kind of connect some 389 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: dots there. Um, if that guy can play, it doesn't 390 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,920 Speaker 1: really matter unless Sab Donald becomes Joe Montana. I think 391 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: Jets sounds are gonna be okay with it, but you're right, um, 392 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: that there is a worst case scenario. And then any 393 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: team that's any fan that's a fan of a tortured 394 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: fan base or a part of the tortured fan base 395 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: always imagines the worst guest scenario that Donald becomes the 396 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: real deal. But like, ultimately, I think what what Greg 397 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: has been pounding the table about is like it's it's 398 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: it checks out. It's like Donald did have three years. 399 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: I know it was in a bad situation, but he 400 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: had opportunities to to put more out there. And it's 401 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: just it's ultimately, I think, especially for a new regime 402 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: with solid there and Douglas having total control, it's a 403 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: little bit too much of a leap of faith to 404 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: believe in Donald still. And that's why I think they 405 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: really should kind of reset things, um, if they truly 406 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: do love Zach Wilson or or another quarterback. So it 407 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny because the Bears are the worst 408 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,960 Speaker 1: case scenario for everyone. Sorry, Although the Patriots are are 409 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: pretty close right now, you would think they'd figure out 410 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: how to make it better around them, But last year 411 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: it was a pretty pretty bad worst case scenario. I 412 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: I kind of think though, that it's more likely he'll 413 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 1: be there with Um a Zach Wilson type, which feels messy, 414 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,399 Speaker 1: but I think would be the right move unless you 415 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: get uh significant return. I don't know who's given up 416 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: a second round pick for Sam Donald. Are they gonna 417 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: trade them for a third? Maybe maybe they would. I 418 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: share everything you hear, Greg is that people like there 419 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: are people that like Donald much more than you did 420 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: it though, Okay, maybe it's the Bears. But I just 421 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: don't know, Like where are the teams that are giving 422 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: up high draft picks for quarterbacks? Like name it, name them? 423 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: I don't know who like Denver? What about the Broncos 424 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: and Bears? The pageants in Denver are kind of the 425 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: three that stand out? And yeah, Denver maybe and maybe 426 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: it's a third or maybe it's And you're right, Texans, 427 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: I mean the forty nine would be a best case scenario. 428 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: I feel like if they got you know, four Donald, um, 429 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: where you you really do get a chance to to 430 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: remake your career. I I if I was the Jets, 431 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: I'd feel like I can't ever find a quarterback. I'd 432 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: rather have two on my roster. Everyone's so worried about, 433 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,280 Speaker 1: you know, if you're really strong in your organization and 434 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. Uh, let's see them both. Let's 435 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 1: see them both. Oh, that would be terrible. We have 436 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: two quarterbacks. Were like, oh, my gosh, that would be terrible. Like, 437 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: if all you're getting back is a third round pick, 438 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: be confident enough that you can handle the media and 439 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 1: the clowns and the fans. And let's see what Darnald 440 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 1: looks like with because we never know. Maybe this Wilson 441 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: guys not gonna look as good as we think. Or 442 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: let's see a playoffs. You are positing a scenario here 443 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: that hasn't really been floated though, Greg, you're because we're 444 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 1: not and nobody really knows, but we haven't been hearing. Oh, 445 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,560 Speaker 1: the Jets, the most they can get for Sam Donald 446 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: is a third round pick. Like, if that's the case, 447 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: it does become he's on the team. And we keep 448 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: hearing from Jets reporters they're asking for a second and 449 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: so the fact that they're starting at a second it 450 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 1: indicates to me, maybe not that no one's offered it 451 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,360 Speaker 1: to him. I don't feel or it's the Sam Bradford thing, 452 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: and you trade him in September when someone else's knee 453 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: shatters and you get him at max value, which would 454 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: be cunning after what will be that It will be 455 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 1: messy to have them both there with the New York 456 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: tabloids exploding and going nuts day after day. Well, he 457 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: also could be a nice piece on draft day to 458 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: make some moves there too. Hey, let's move up for 459 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: another top pick, uh and use Donald to do that? 460 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: That that could be possible. Yeah, I hate little Darnald. 461 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: Come on right, relax, calm down, little little peek behind 462 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 1: the curtain. I've Dan you know, we we've got Tannenbaum. 463 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: I think he's waiting, like, have we totally finished this 464 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: QB segment we have now coming up? It's the off season. 465 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,159 Speaker 1: It's like it's I know, this is the type of 466 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: thing that stresses Dan out a little bit. We can visit. 467 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: This is a cucumber here. We're good. Um, do we 468 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: have Mike town about Steven Manny filling in for Tam posting? 469 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: If we do, let's let's bring him on there. He 470 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: is wow friendly. So I'm sorry I was a couple 471 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: of minutes late. You know what Italian what a friendly 472 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: cribble is for this podcast. What can I do? I 473 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 1: know so Greg is from Wilbraham, Massachusetts. The whole of 474 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: the original friendlies. I feel like, Mike, you've been out 475 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: of the show before, and I remember that nugget from 476 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: last time as well. Uh, Mike Tannebaum, you know him. 477 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,719 Speaker 1: He's ESPN's NFL Front Office Insider, which is a nice title. 478 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: Good job by Mike there. And of course the former 479 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 1: GM and the Jets uh e v p um with 480 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: the Miami Dolphins. He has a new gig, the thirty 481 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: third Team. Want to get to that a little bit later, Mike. Um. 482 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: But you know, as a former GM, I just want 483 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,880 Speaker 1: to start, Mike and ask you about this, the Shawn 484 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: Watson situation, because we've had a conversation on this podcast, 485 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,680 Speaker 1: UM about like, what is too much for Deshaun Watson? 486 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 1: Is there a price that's too high for a guy 487 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: like him? And as a former GM, do you think 488 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: that they're front office a decision and makers that are 489 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: kind of spooked by this whole thing because you could 490 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: be in a position where you give up the farm 491 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: to get this quarterback and then it might end up 492 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 1: getting you fired. By the third year of Watson on 493 00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: the new team because you weren't able to stock the 494 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 1: cupboard around him. A bit of a dicey situation for GM. Yeah, 495 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: that's a simple question, complicated answer. Great to be with you, guys, 496 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: And the short answer is no, there's not too much UP. 497 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 1: I've offered my daughter who by the way, it is 498 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: totally not salary cap for upis so there's actually a 499 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: little bit I was ran pasted another segment I offered 500 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: like the chicag the Sears Tower, and in all serieses 501 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 1: have one of the five best players whose high character 502 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: leader under contract years old. He checks every box. You 503 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: can give up five first round picks. When you study 504 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: the history of our game and the best of the best, 505 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: the ron Wolfs of the world. On average, it's about 506 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: fifty eight or fifty nine percent successory on first rounders, 507 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: and of course that depends if you're in the top 508 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 1: five or the POTD five. But the other thing, guys, 509 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 1: what we just learned from Tom Brady, what an unbelievable 510 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: association he created. People walk to Tampa Bay to play 511 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: with Tom. The same thing is gonna happen. And with 512 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: the cap going down this year, guys, and so many 513 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: good football players are gonna get sweet. Just because you 514 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: don't have first round picks doesn't mean you won't be 515 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: able to acquire good players. And players are gonna want 516 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: to play with Deshaun Watson. So it's an unexpected opportunity. 517 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: I spent a couple of decades of my life trying 518 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 1: to find players like DeShawn Watson. If you could ever 519 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: get one, like and I said this, and I mean it, guys, 520 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: if Nickcessary were calling me, I would not get off 521 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: the phone. It was like when I was closing out 522 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: the Brett Farve trade at the Jets and I felt 523 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: like there was finally a deal be had. We could 524 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 1: get him over Tampa Bay. Like I was not laying 525 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,000 Speaker 1: those dudes off the phone, Like this is an opportunity 526 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: that hardly ever comes around. And maybe, and I'm saying this, 527 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: maybe maybe Jacksonville straight up for Trevor Lawrence would be 528 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: the one situation I wouldn't do it for. But beyond 529 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: that one, go get him and you could figure out 530 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,959 Speaker 1: everything else. But my question for you, I mean, if 531 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: you are Nick Kissario and you waited so long to 532 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: get this opportunity, I mean almost overly patient. He was 533 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: in New England with offers and interests for years. You 534 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: land in Houston and you've really been air dropped into 535 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: a the as thorny a situation as I can think 536 00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: of GM having to deal with in so long the 537 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: Jackie easter Be business that Kel McNair, that just seems 538 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: to be a bit of a culture war going on 539 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: inside the building. Yes, he could get a lot in return, 540 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: but you'll always be the GM that came in. And 541 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: soon after J. J. Watts out the door, Deshaun Watson's 542 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: out the door. You're hoping the guy you get to 543 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: replace him at quarterback would be uh, you know, the 544 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: equal or better. But do you think he feels behind 545 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: the scenes, like what the heck have I done here? 546 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: Did I land in the middle of like an NFL 547 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: war zone? So there's one guy that can fix this situation. 548 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: It's cal McNair. And something obviously happened here, guys, because 549 00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson signed the contract after d dere Hapkins was traded, 550 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: and that's really important to the context, is really important. 551 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: So the most important person this franchise isn't Jackie uster Be, 552 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: isn't David Culi, isn't Nickossaro, it's the shal Watson. That's 553 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: why he's getting paid thirty nine million a year. So 554 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: if I'm kil McNair, I am solving the problem. I 555 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: am flying to wherever he wants me to fly to. 556 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: I am taking my yellow pad out and I'm asking 557 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: question after question of not what happened, but why it happened, 558 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna stand shoulder shoulder and fix it. And 559 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: if I'm kilm msnar, I'm taking Nick Cassaro with me. 560 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: And if it means we'll be on from everybody else 561 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: in the building, I don't care, because de Sean, You're 562 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: going to be here. And what's interesting is for Nick, 563 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: he's earned this opportunity. He's a hard worker, he's a 564 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: good person, but he is in a tough position. I 565 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: will say this, I just don't imagine there's a scenario 566 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: white where they would trade him because there's some other 567 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: tremendous intangibles, which is put yourself in Nikos Saro issues 568 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 1: like what do you stand for? So you hit a 569 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: bump of the road. The players upset. We know that, 570 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: but when you sign a contract, it also means something 571 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: like you just can't indiscriminately walk away from that. And 572 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: if you're Nick and you let's say, get three ones 573 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: and Quentin Williams or whatever, the challenge you're gonna have 574 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: is there will be some other bump in the road 575 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: at some point. When you have ninety players, ninety contracts, 576 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: ninety agents, ninety egos, it never just goes smooth, right, 577 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: And if you do that in the first couple of 578 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: months of your administration, you have zero chance to build 579 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: anything sustainable because everyone else is going to run the 580 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,520 Speaker 1: same play that Deshaun Watson did. So there is some real, 581 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,840 Speaker 1: big picture, compelling sort of dynamics here. And if I 582 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: was Nick, what I would simply say, and I tried 583 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 1: this with Rex Ryan Woody Johnson when we had a 584 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: big hold out with Darrelle Revis is we have to 585 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: stand shoulders shoulder. And if I'm Nick Assaria, I'm saying, 586 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: as guys, no matter what, we aren't even talking about 587 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 1: training him until February. And maybe the new legacy of 588 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: the a f C South is this, we're great quarterbacks 589 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,400 Speaker 1: going to retire. Because if Shawn Watson rather retire here, 590 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: we should honor him and celebrate that. But we can't 591 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: trade him because we trade him, we stand for nothing. 592 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,960 Speaker 1: M M, well, that that's sort of how he's playing 593 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: it right now. It seems like I mean that he's 594 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: not picking up the phone. I am curious, like you know, 595 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 1: as a GM. And by the way, I appreciated the 596 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: fribol reference, you know, the friendlies reference. If your body 597 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: was somewhat indifferent, I gotta tell you, Like now there, 598 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 1: by the way, didn't you were any water? There was 599 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: scooped right past it. I was ready. I was ready 600 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: to talk. You know that was you You got out 601 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: of a shift that friendly is your your hands were 602 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: dirty at the end. I started as a dishwasher, work 603 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: my way up. It's like like the Kanye song right there. Um, 604 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 1: but you you're you're a forward GM, Like how do 605 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: you use the media in this way? Because like that 606 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: is like I'm curious as someone who went through it, 607 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: like gms do use the media. Never talked about like 608 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: how they use the media. But it's it's getting out 609 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: there in a way that like Cassio is not picking 610 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: up the phone. So to me, that feels like a 611 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: message that they're sending like that that is the message 612 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: they want out there publicly right now is like we're 613 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: not even entertaining it right now. Yeah, there's probably a 614 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: lot of different feelings going through Nick. Like I know 615 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: in my situation, you know, publicly, I was like trying 616 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: to be as smooth as I could, like, hey, you know, 617 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: we have all the respect in the world for the 618 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: player and say all the sort of like classic sound bites. 619 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,480 Speaker 1: But I had a massive pit in my stomach because 620 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: I knew, like at the Jets that you know, we 621 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: had a great team, and I didn't want to be 622 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: the one guy to sent a song by not getting 623 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: the deal done. And Nick, you know, you don't get 624 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: these jobs without being uber competitive and wanting to win it. 625 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure, deep down you know, if you would just 626 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: open up, nickis Sarah and terrorm in half like, I'm 627 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: sure he's having a lot of sleepless nights and you could, 628 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. I'm not so sure he's leaking 629 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 1: that to the media because right his audience really is 630 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: cal McNair and David Culley like, and then from there 631 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 1: it's obviously the locker room. I think the other interesting 632 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: dynamic guys that again, there's so many layers to unpacked here, 633 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: but think about like you're trying to build like David 634 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: Cully sixty five years old. He probably gets an opportunity lifetime. 635 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,479 Speaker 1: How are you going to be able to attract a 636 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: player to sign there until this is resulting? How you 637 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 1: gonna convince Will Fuller like to come back to play 638 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: for a J. Mccaren. So this really is and I've 639 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: said this before, which is if they are going to 640 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: trade them, they really need to do it a S 641 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: A P. As other quarterbacks or other situations get solidified, 642 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: it just makes their market smaller and smaller. So their 643 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 1: worst case scenario is that they get to September October 644 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: and this still isn't resolved. M Yeah, And I would 645 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: think of one move that a J. Mccaren can do 646 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: is to impress Will Fuller take the shirt off and 647 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: show that wild tattoo situation all over all over his 648 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: Torso just that's me just a bit balling. Um, Hey, 649 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: your colleague, Your colleague Diana Rassini Mike texted or tweeted yesterday, 650 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,240 Speaker 1: just texted with an NFL head coach about the upcoming 651 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,840 Speaker 1: cuts and what he expects. Here's the quote. It's gonna 652 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,040 Speaker 1: be a massacre next week all around the league. Does 653 00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: this feel to you Mike or missed the t as 654 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: Fransasa used to call you, Does this feel like a 655 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: perfect storm type scenario for smart teams that have some 656 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: salary cap wiggle room right now? Yeah, I think teams 657 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: are gonna be reward for being paid. You know, it's 658 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: interesting to look at the JJ wat deal and when 659 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: you really think about it, I think J J. Walk 660 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: had a great deal for him just from the standpoint 661 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: when you think about his age, his injury history, and 662 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: in ten days, if the four of us were having 663 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: this conversation, we would be saying, like, I can't believe 664 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: that player extra player wise out there. And I think 665 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: it's a great point, which is there will be some 666 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: really opportunistic signs. And I think if we look at 667 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 1: the two Super Bowl teams, you're see players like the 668 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,359 Speaker 1: Daniel Sorenson's of the world, Sandy Watkins, and then with 669 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: Tampa Bay after Godwin, Lavante, David and Shack Barrett. You 670 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: know a lot of those players, I don't think they're 671 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: gonna do like in Dominican sus a free agent. Obviously, 672 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown and Crown probably go back there at cheap prices. 673 00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of good players will be 674 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: available in the coming weeks. Mhm. I would love to 675 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: ask you this because this is hot on my radar. 676 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: You know, we learned a lot during a pandemic written 677 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: off season last year that maybe we don't need everything 678 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 1: that the NFL throws at us during the off season, 679 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: the forty billion ot as. And for me, it's the 680 00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 1: preseason because you're a GM. Well, no, I would just 681 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: say that you you wouldn't, You'd probably I would imagine 682 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: come from the angle, like I know people think the 683 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: preseason is unenjoyable, but here's why we need it. But 684 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: do we need as much of it? And do you 685 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: feel like the way that they came to um, you know, 686 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: decisions and cuts last year for you, is is it 687 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: something that you'd say less is more in this situation 688 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 1: or do we go old school and bring it all back? 689 00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: The Snoopy Bowl, the Hall of Fame Game, the whole thing, 690 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: the Snoopy Bowl. You got our asks kicked a lot 691 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: of those Snoopy Bowls, like very competitive. I remember who 692 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: Rex calling out Tom Coughlin like really, like do we 693 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: have to put right now? It's August. It's like we 694 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: got a lot. There's a lot of times for you 695 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,560 Speaker 1: to be aggrieved. There's a lot of times for you 696 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,760 Speaker 1: to be belligerent, like is it really with Tom Over 697 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: like the third preseason game, like do we have to 698 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 1: go there? We're taking Jerry Reese's hands and just shaking 699 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: my head, you know, like come on, man, Like anyway, Um, 700 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: I think as many things in life, it's gonna be 701 00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: probably somewhere in the middle. You know, when you speak 702 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: to people around the league, there are efficiencies with Zoom 703 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: and some offseason in terms of like installs, like conversation 704 00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 1: we're having here now. I think some of these are 705 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: gonna be here to stay. So here's the big challenge though, 706 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: which is and this goes back years ago with my 707 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: ESPN colleague Jeff Saturday, which is when Jeff came out. 708 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:02,319 Speaker 1: He was a developmental offensive line him and he was 709 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,719 Speaker 1: a very prominent person in the Union, and some of 710 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:09,880 Speaker 1: the rules that they agreed to with having reductions massive 711 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: reductions in the off season hurt players like Jeff Saturday 712 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: from developing. And here's really the ultimate conundrum. J C. 713 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: Trieder is financially set. He doesn't need the off season program, 714 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: and they're gonna push for a we don't need it. 715 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: Look at the great product on the field, but what 716 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: about all the younger players that desperately need it? And 717 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: and that's why this is not a one size fits 718 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: all sport, because those younger players need it to make it. 719 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: The veterans don't want to do it anymore because they 720 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:41,960 Speaker 1: really just work out on their own. And that's why 721 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,479 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna see something in the middle where 722 00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: maybe it's not nine weeks anymore, maybe it's five or 723 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,759 Speaker 1: six and maybe expandatory based on you know, years of 724 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 1: service um And I think there's some compromises in there. 725 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: And in terms of the preseason games, I think what 726 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,400 Speaker 1: we're just going to see is, you know that to 727 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: a regular season game with obviously it sounds like we're 728 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: on the precipice of a seventeen game regular season. I 729 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: don't like the preseason the way we have it now 730 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,680 Speaker 1: because anytime you're in a situation where you're just trying 731 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,719 Speaker 1: to survive and not get hurt, not accomplishing anything. And 732 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: so many teams are going to those joint practices, and 733 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: all the coaches I've been with, they like those better 734 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,600 Speaker 1: because you can script competition where hey, let's have you know, 735 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: good against good in the red zone or one on 736 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: one or pass rush, and you can evaluate and good 737 00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 1: get good work. Without Again, there's always gonna be risk 738 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 1: of injuries, but you could sort of like minimize that. 739 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,839 Speaker 1: So that's why I think we're gonna see tweaking into 740 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: the system. But I don't think it's gonna be all 741 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: one way or the other. How you feel about that, mark, 742 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,959 Speaker 1: Is that an answer that makes you feel better about 743 00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,560 Speaker 1: the future. Now that's a reduction I think right down 744 00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: the middle, and some changes makes sense. And uh, you know, 745 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,319 Speaker 1: if Mike t is saying that's the case, then I'm 746 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:59,399 Speaker 1: gonna ride with that because that's how it works. Are 747 00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: you Are you proud or embarrassed um that you're the 748 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,839 Speaker 1: only general manager that's ever come up to us at 749 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: the owners meeting and admitted you listen to our show 750 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: that that's a burning I'm proud of me, Okay, you 751 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't be the only one, but you know, 752 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: maybe I'm the only one that is. You know, I 753 00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: don't smartly dumb enough to admit it. So you guys 754 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: heard I'm getting out Mike tell us about this thirty 755 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: team venture. So I totally stumbled into something guys that 756 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm very excited about, very proud of. When I got 757 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,640 Speaker 1: the position at ESPN, it was very soon after leaving 758 00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: the Dolphins and big transition, and I got it was 759 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: a real privilege to replace Bill Pollium so as Greg 760 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: and his you know, knowing the western Massachusetts geography, drove 761 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 1: from Bristol, Connecticut to you mass Amherst, where I've done 762 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,759 Speaker 1: a lot with the Sports Manager program. I hired some 763 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: really smart rat students to help me create a database 764 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,800 Speaker 1: because I was doing the draft for ESPN Radio and 765 00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: it went so well that the program decided to have 766 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 1: a bunch of students work for me and they got credit. 767 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: And what I quickly realized was there's a number of 768 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: head coaches and gms that are between opportunities that want 769 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,919 Speaker 1: to stay current. So I started this weekly zoom call 770 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 1: and we're up to fifty people and it's incredible. Like 771 00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, we had Wade Phillips breaking down Todd 772 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: Bowles's game plan. Yesterday we had Eric Vanini talking about 773 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: like the corners in the draft, we do game management, 774 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: cap um, draft character versus ability, And really what I 775 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: found is a lot of these coaches like Dan Quinn's 776 00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 1: great example, Dan was on and a couple of the 777 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: grad students did a bunch of research projects for him 778 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,759 Speaker 1: that he wanted to work on, and we put out 779 00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: a free news letter Team dot com completely free. And 780 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,839 Speaker 1: I really what it energizes me about it is there's 781 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: a lot of young men and women that want to 782 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,000 Speaker 1: get involved with football that are doing volunteer research projects. 783 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,200 Speaker 1: And then there's coaches that are you know Mark Trustman, 784 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:06,240 Speaker 1: who's coach, Steve Young and Joe Montana, you know, breaking 785 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: down justin Herbert compared to to and through the magic 786 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: of zoom. It's you know, it's working. It's been great. 787 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: And I feel like for me, like I get better 788 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 1: as a broadcaster and get just great information, and if 789 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: I can help other young people get to where they 790 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 1: want to go, then that's even better. I would tell 791 00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 1: you one quick thing that, like, when I was a 792 00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:29,080 Speaker 1: senior in college and my dream was to work for 793 00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,120 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns. This is back in that two like 794 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: months before I graduated, they announced that they were moving 795 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,000 Speaker 1: to Baltimore and became like the arch enemies of the Browns. 796 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: I thought, well, hey, that's bad, but be I was 797 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: left with no career path, and my first job was 798 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: UM at Columbia Library, putting metal strips into library books 799 00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920 Speaker 1: for like eight fifty an hour with my parents wondering 800 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: what on earth have we done with this person? So 801 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: I wish this existed back then. I would have been 802 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: a hardcore member of the group. So that sounds great. 803 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 1: Do you know that I worked for the Browns? Did 804 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,520 Speaker 1: I know? In your way? I mean I think Mark, 805 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,040 Speaker 1: you wanted your job. Well, I don't know, I don't 806 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,880 Speaker 1: know what the you know? The thirty third team guys 807 00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: feel like, I think you have to open up your 808 00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,960 Speaker 1: mind to working for more than just one team. You 809 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,959 Speaker 1: can't just be like, I'm a Browns fan, I'm only 810 00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: working for the Browns. Screw you the other rest of 811 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,480 Speaker 1: the I was a child back then, Greg, I mean, 812 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:30,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't, you know, not the full right exactly. 813 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,320 Speaker 1: I want you guys to do a little research project 814 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: on GMS. This is I have a quick bone to pick. 815 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: I know, we gotta let you go. But it's like 816 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: of like GM is always evaluating free agents based on 817 00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,400 Speaker 1: their college draft profiles. I feel like they do that 818 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: all the time. It doesn't make any sense. You have 819 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 1: four years of the NFL to to evaluate it on. 820 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,080 Speaker 1: But maybe someone's gonna be like, well, like that Sam 821 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,280 Speaker 1: Donald guy, we thought he was the third best player 822 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,319 Speaker 1: in the draft, so I'm gonna give up a good 823 00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: pick for him. Now, while you were wrong about that 824 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 1: draft of value, it seems like that happens like a lot. 825 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: Am I crazy that that happens a lot in the 826 00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: NFL that they do it off the draft like five 827 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: years later? Yeah, No, that's totally fair, Greg, and I 828 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,439 Speaker 1: think that's one of the challenges of working the front 829 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: office is to say, hey, like, that's the beginning of 830 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: the conversation. And Mitch Drobiski was picked before Deshaun Watson. 831 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: That hasn't turned out the way it should. That's not 832 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: to say that's the end of Mitch Drobiski's career. I mean, 833 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: that could be a great opportunity for him to go 834 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: someplace else. But we can't ignore the four years of 835 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 1: the tape that um he has. I think, and Dana 836 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 1: Rolosky and I have had some knockdown dragouts about this. 837 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,200 Speaker 1: I think the Darnald conversation is so fascinating because you 838 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,640 Speaker 1: have to factor in are you going to exercise the 839 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:42,719 Speaker 1: fifth year option. And I don't see how a good 840 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,080 Speaker 1: conscience you can do that based on how much he's 841 00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: turned the ball over. And then when you compare that 842 00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 1: guys to Zach Wilson, like, I don't think it's a 843 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: really hard decision at all, Like how can you invest 844 00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 1: at least another million dollars? And again, remember that option 845 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:00,560 Speaker 1: is now fully guaranteed in what would be two where 846 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,879 Speaker 1: you have a guy like Zack Wilson who even if 847 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 1: you felt like it was like this, which I don't 848 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 1: think it is. I think it's Wilson and then Donald. 849 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: But let's say you're sitting here like it's a coin toss. 850 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: How can you then say, like, well, now I want 851 00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: to go guarantee another twenty five million for Sam Donald? 852 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,680 Speaker 1: And that's why I think you really um when you 853 00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:21,279 Speaker 1: talk about evaluating these guys. You got a factory and 854 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,399 Speaker 1: like where you think the economics are gonna end as well? 855 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,160 Speaker 1: It makes sense. That makes sense. Thirty third team dot 856 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,120 Speaker 1: Com The thirty third team dot Com. And before we 857 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,120 Speaker 1: say goodbye, Mike, I want to play. I want to 858 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,799 Speaker 1: play one clip. I'm a big Jets fan. My going 859 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: going way back tortured fan and I want to play 860 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,600 Speaker 1: this clip and then I have a question to ask you, Okay, 861 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,160 Speaker 1: and that's a very serious question. I want your honest answer. 862 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: Can you give me that? Uh? Boy? I think? All right, 863 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,360 Speaker 1: here's the play first, here's the play first, Stephen did it? 864 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,640 Speaker 1: Poor guy? And when he comes round and give him 865 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,759 Speaker 1: the big last week, the long game winner. All right, 866 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,719 Speaker 1: it's January two ten and af C Championship games. Steelers 867 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: up twenty four nineteen over your Jets, you're the GM. 868 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:14,640 Speaker 1: There's it's third and six, two minutes to play, Ben 869 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,920 Speaker 1: to a b first down game over Now. As a 870 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,640 Speaker 1: Jets been, I've always thought, if the d can get 871 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,160 Speaker 1: off the field there, the Jets get it done. Did 872 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: the Jets complete the comeback with Mark Sanchez? If they 873 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: just get off the field and third and six, one 874 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty percent, there's no down in my mind, 875 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,080 Speaker 1: no doubt my mind. It was all going the wave. 876 00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:43,439 Speaker 1: It was a momentum wave. Yeah, I'll take you more. 877 00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,439 Speaker 1: You're killing me. Go back to the first third down 878 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: that game. They call hands to the face on Cromarty 879 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,640 Speaker 1: fifty yards away from the freaking play had nothing to 880 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,799 Speaker 1: do with it, and we're off the field. It's a 881 00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,239 Speaker 1: three and out and they scoring that drive. And at 882 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: some point I'll get over it, like, look, I'm not 883 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,080 Speaker 1: well justed, you know, like Tony Corinthy is a great official. 884 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,960 Speaker 1: The guy is a cancer survivor. Like he's a great official. 885 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,319 Speaker 1: But that poor guy in the two thousand nine championship game, 886 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,400 Speaker 1: we're going out for the coin toss, they says, New 887 00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,560 Speaker 1: York Giants Indianapolis polts, No, we're the New York halfain Jets, Tony, 888 00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:22,840 Speaker 1: and then so uh uh uh st almos and and 889 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,879 Speaker 1: like very nice, congratulate, blah blah blah. And now every 890 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: time I see Tony Cranny, all I think about is 891 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,160 Speaker 1: he called this the Giants, not the Jets. In the 892 00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:33,760 Speaker 1: two thousand ninet game. Here's like a great official, cancer survivor, 893 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,640 Speaker 1: great dude, and he's and I can't get over it 894 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:41,160 Speaker 1: like that ever, And you know, I'm just like, you know, 895 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,880 Speaker 1: the Jets have not been back to the playoffs since 896 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: you were the man in charge. And when they one 897 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,239 Speaker 1: day get over the hump, God willing, we'll all on 898 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:53,280 Speaker 1: some levels celebrate it. Um, thank you, Mike, well, not Greg, 899 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,600 Speaker 1: but thank you Mike for joining us, and good luck 900 00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,239 Speaker 1: with everything uh this season, and uh yeah, we really 901 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: enjoyed and the friendly stalk is always fun as well. Thanks, 902 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,440 Speaker 1: and it's okay for me admit that I continue to 903 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: listen to you guys. Thank you well, well have you 904 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,160 Speaker 1: the show now? So yeah, have you out of the 905 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: future And then like pull another painful scab right at 906 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,200 Speaker 1: the end of the end of the interview. At that 907 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:24,879 Speaker 1: time there he goes, all right, that's that's a good man. 908 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,120 Speaker 1: We like Mike Tnavan, he's certified friend of the show. 909 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: And we played du Lane grad by the way, it 910 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,080 Speaker 1: didn't even get to that. We have all sorts of connections. 911 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,720 Speaker 1: We played the f it's it's just it's a possible, 912 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,840 Speaker 1: It's possible, great Tannenbaum. I like that UM played the 913 00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,279 Speaker 1: clip the you know, the audio audience isn't here that 914 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: I didn't see it, but we played the clip of 915 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: that third and six and that was now hell eleven 916 00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: years ago, and Ben escapes right from Sean Ellis and 917 00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: the Jets pass rush. Uh, scrambles to his right and 918 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,319 Speaker 1: then hits a young Antonio Brown. Like as I watched 919 00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,839 Speaker 1: that clip. First of all, Ben looks about pounds later 920 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,399 Speaker 1: and he's moves, he can move, and it did make 921 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,080 Speaker 1: me think on the day that we learned that the 922 00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:15,200 Speaker 1: Steelers and and Big Ben came uh to agreement on 923 00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:19,600 Speaker 1: a deal and he will be back in Pittsburgh officially. Um, 924 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,759 Speaker 1: that is a done deal. Um. But he's not that 925 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,840 Speaker 1: guy anymore. So the Steelers just need to have a 926 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,799 Speaker 1: backup plan and I hope they do and then listen. Uh. 927 00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,680 Speaker 1: Smart organizations ultimately make smart decisions. And I do think 928 00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 1: bringing Big Big Ben back it had there's some logic 929 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:40,600 Speaker 1: to it, but only if you upgrade what's behind him 930 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,320 Speaker 1: and in front of him, the offensive line. It's true. 931 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:49,040 Speaker 1: I think Ben's mobility was always an underrated part of 932 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 1: his game because it's not like he was like running 933 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,520 Speaker 1: for first downs. Uh. And of course he was known for, 934 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, being very tough to take down. But he also, 935 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:00,600 Speaker 1: like like a Brady, was very good at like the 936 00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: subtle sort of pocket movement and moving up, moving back, 937 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: moving down and just keeping those plays going. And that 938 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: ain't that's not happening anymore. I don't think that part 939 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: is coming back from him. He was as frustrating a 940 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: quarterback if you were the opposing team to deal with 941 00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,680 Speaker 1: that that was around it in there were moment that 942 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not comparing him to this player, 943 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,480 Speaker 1: but he had little Elway esque traits to him where 944 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: you just thought on third and eighteen, this guy is 945 00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,959 Speaker 1: about to be taken down. He's got three players on him. Bang, 946 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: he's escaped. He completes the pastor hines ward super annoying. 947 00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,120 Speaker 1: I will say this, like, I really do have respect 948 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:40,040 Speaker 1: for the player. I do. I do, I do. That's 949 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:43,520 Speaker 1: always a bad sign. When when Cassario started calling Deshaun 950 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: Watson the player or cal mcnarrative, they were like, it's 951 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 1: not a bad sign from me. I don't think. But 952 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,080 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I invite the Steelers um to roll 953 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,360 Speaker 1: out the same offense that we saw over the past 954 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,120 Speaker 1: two months of the season. Let's see if you can 955 00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: make that work next year. I mean, there's a he's 956 00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 1: not coming back to the Steelers team of a couple 957 00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: of years ago. That's just wait knocking on the door 958 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:09,120 Speaker 1: of the super Bowl. It's a very challenging final year scenario. 959 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,960 Speaker 1: We'll see. I'm with you. It's funny because you've been 960 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,879 Speaker 1: based on YouTube jokers. Just how I wouldn't say that, 961 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,799 Speaker 1: but they've got I want to see what they do 962 00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,560 Speaker 1: in the offseason because they have a lot of work 963 00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: to do. But you take that offense, you subtract three 964 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:27,319 Speaker 1: starting offensive lineman, you substract juju Uh James Conner. Not 965 00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,680 Speaker 1: that that's a huge lot. There's a lot going on. 966 00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: It's funny because you've been getting on me for being 967 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: anti Bend and yet I really think of myself as like, 968 00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,399 Speaker 1: I think he's one of the great I think he's 969 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,640 Speaker 1: under it, like for the first tenure until I don't 970 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: think there's like nearly as big a gap, for instance, 971 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,359 Speaker 1: between him and Drew Brees in germs of just like 972 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,040 Speaker 1: who was a better player throughout their career. I give 973 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: Breeze the edge, but I don't think it's huge like 974 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,200 Speaker 1: I think he was basically if you consider them in 975 00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,760 Speaker 1: the same era, a solid like number three behind Brady 976 00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: and Breeze, and it is an easy Hall of Famer. 977 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 1: I don't know what. It's not even left for him 978 00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,520 Speaker 1: to prove. It's just like, I think this could be 979 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: an unpleasant final chapter now. And he kept this stat's 980 00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,279 Speaker 1: roight down for a while because of the way they 981 00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: ran their offense. But he was like so efficient. So yeah, 982 00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,239 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm certainly not saying that he's gonna light 983 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: it up next year. I think they need to just 984 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,719 Speaker 1: be smarter about you can't run out Dwayne Haskins and 985 00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: if if things go sideways with Ben or if he 986 00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: gets hurt, you know, you got to do better than 987 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,919 Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph Um speaking of you mentioned Drew Brees and 988 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,520 Speaker 1: just circling back before we say goodbye to our conversation 989 00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: before Mr T, I have Jameis Winston on my list 990 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:44,600 Speaker 1: of fifteen quarterbacks in a bit of limbo here, and 991 00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, for that, I had best case scenario that 992 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,000 Speaker 1: because rap Sheet reported on Super Bowl Sunday that he 993 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,200 Speaker 1: was in the driver's seat, Winston was for the same 994 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:56,720 Speaker 1: starting job. Uh. The wide assumption was that Drew Brees 995 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 1: was retiring, But then there was a report or the 996 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: deo that came out last week with Breeze and his 997 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: personal trainer and he's setting personal records in sled pushing 998 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,160 Speaker 1: and he still hasn't announced that he's retiring and listen, 999 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: but by the time this podcast comes out, maybe he 1000 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,880 Speaker 1: drops a press release. But like it's becoming increasingly I 1001 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,560 Speaker 1: don't know possible that Breeze actually does return. I know 1002 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,520 Speaker 1: that he did rework his contract in a way that 1003 00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,000 Speaker 1: makes it seem like retirement is still imminent, but he 1004 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: still has to come to that decision as an athlete 1005 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,879 Speaker 1: that I'm done, and I just wonder if the organization 1006 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,719 Speaker 1: gives him the path and is okay with it. If 1007 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,600 Speaker 1: Drew Brees actually does retire, that's the case, that would 1008 00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: be really bad news for you, Greg, because you have 1009 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,160 Speaker 1: so much invested in Jamis Winston, and the worst case 1010 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: scenario for Winston is that Breeze doesn't retire and Winston 1011 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: either has to decide to play an understudy again and 1012 00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,279 Speaker 1: hope he gets an opportunity, or he hits the open 1013 00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,880 Speaker 1: market goes elsewhere, which would be add news for Jameis 1014 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 1: Winston because he's in a perfect spot to reboot his career. 1015 00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,120 Speaker 1: He kind of needs Drew Brees to kiss off right now, 1016 00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,279 Speaker 1: and the longer it goes that he doesn't, I'm sure 1017 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,280 Speaker 1: it's a source of anxiety. Bro I could be shocked 1018 00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,040 Speaker 1: if Breeze comes back, based on the fact that he 1019 00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: signed this contract that kind of reduced his cap figure 1020 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: and his his salary right now to make it easier. 1021 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,399 Speaker 1: So you're right, he is stretching it out a little 1022 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,200 Speaker 1: bit and just retire, Like, what's what's the delay then, 1023 00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:30,200 Speaker 1: and why is he working out so vigorously? You're probably 1024 00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:34,080 Speaker 1: you're probably right that there's there's some second thoughts or 1025 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,759 Speaker 1: third thoughts. I mean, yeah, the worst case scenario for 1026 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 1: Jamis is probably Chicago or being a backup somewhere Chicago. 1027 00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,520 Speaker 1: A similar a similar scenario that's pretty bad is returning 1028 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,839 Speaker 1: to New Orleans and oh he pulls the okay doke 1029 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,760 Speaker 1: and there's Taysom Hill starting that quarterback for week one again, 1030 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,319 Speaker 1: and like you just you just sit there behind him. 1031 00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,760 Speaker 1: I I would be intrigue to see him on the Patriots. Um, 1032 00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:01,319 Speaker 1: that would be intriguing. I think, who jameis Winston? But 1033 00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 1: I but I recognized ridiculous. I recognized that for my 1034 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,000 Speaker 1: overly ambitious rankings, which I now regret, I was like, 1035 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,520 Speaker 1: I would just knock all those quarterbacks down ten of 1036 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,239 Speaker 1: fifteen spots. Um, like Boston radio to that. Someone told 1037 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,480 Speaker 1: me that they did like an hour on w e I, 1038 00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: which I appreciate. All press is good pressed of just 1039 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:22,440 Speaker 1: like making fun of how high high I had Cam 1040 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:27,239 Speaker 1: Newton ranked. So that's really, I don't know if that's true. Interesting, Well, 1041 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,359 Speaker 1: Stephen Manny filling in again for Erica tamp Posey. And 1042 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:35,479 Speaker 1: by the way, Stephen Manny is our metrics Vengali here 1043 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,920 Speaker 1: at NFL Media. He knows where the bodies are buried 1044 00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:42,520 Speaker 1: and it makes them very dangerous. So be on the 1045 00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,239 Speaker 1: right side of Stephen Manny, is all I'm saying. How 1046 00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,120 Speaker 1: you doing, Bunny, I'm doing all right. You know, I 1047 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,880 Speaker 1: don't know about dangerous, but you know, every now and 1048 00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,719 Speaker 1: then I get to put together a power point with 1049 00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,040 Speaker 1: like smiley faces and frowny faces for the podcast, and 1050 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,799 Speaker 1: that's about as dangerous as it gets. I could give 1051 00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: you a frowny face. Well, you're dangerous for the shadowy 1052 00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: League figures because you have to give them the report 1053 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:08,840 Speaker 1: that's like, hey, this around the NFL podcast does numbers. 1054 00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:13,840 Speaker 1: They deserve some moolah like like, it's just in the 1055 00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,360 Speaker 1: numbers that that's that's what we're looking for from you, Stephen. 1056 00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:18,880 Speaker 1: I don't know if we want to let it get 1057 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,600 Speaker 1: to your head too much, Greg, but the numbers. Numbers 1058 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,319 Speaker 1: are the numbers, do okay. You know, it's a few 1059 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,040 Speaker 1: shows out there and that aren't doing well. Who are 1060 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,680 Speaker 1: they and can you share that information? And if you 1061 00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:32,760 Speaker 1: want to inflate if you want to, don't answer that, Steven. 1062 00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,480 Speaker 1: If you want to inflate uh, certain numbers for the 1063 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,480 Speaker 1: purposes of getting us paid, we will maybe give you 1064 00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,680 Speaker 1: a little taste in the back of So maybe this 1065 00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,200 Speaker 1: is stuff we should be saying offline. But yes, you 1066 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,400 Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, baby, It's a bribe, all right. Um. 1067 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:50,360 Speaker 1: Greg was mentioning that, uh, there was some incoming fire 1068 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:52,279 Speaker 1: from people up there in New England. If you could 1069 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:54,960 Speaker 1: ask Erica when she gets back to see if she 1070 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,600 Speaker 1: could track down that radio slaughter house involving Greg Rosenthal, 1071 00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: that would be awesome. I'm not too far away from there. 1072 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,160 Speaker 1: We'll see what we can do. I'm in Rhode Island 1073 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:08,440 Speaker 1: right now. Okay, yeah, we can over there. I know 1074 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,120 Speaker 1: the feeling, Greg, by the way, because that happened to me, um, 1075 00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,200 Speaker 1: and I was actually in the hospital. But you know, 1076 00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:16,200 Speaker 1: at some point it tweeted that if Josh Gordon Um 1077 00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:18,840 Speaker 1: went to the Patriots that I would drink bleach. You know, 1078 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,040 Speaker 1: I just tweeted it out on like a Friday night 1079 00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,400 Speaker 1: some time, and then a person sure looking back, that 1080 00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:29,040 Speaker 1: was a suspect move but um w e I pounced 1081 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,759 Speaker 1: on that. I don't think they had an hour long 1082 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,280 Speaker 1: roll out, but they got on with it. So somehow 1083 00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,239 Speaker 1: I think this got exaggerated through the Twitter sphere, but 1084 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,319 Speaker 1: they banged on it a little bit. That's good. That's 1085 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,799 Speaker 1: good anyway. So yeah, that that's Those are a few 1086 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,720 Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that you can read about their NFL 1087 00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,200 Speaker 1: dot com slash hand zeus if you want to check 1088 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 1: out the whole list, and um boys, anything else before 1089 00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:58,760 Speaker 1: we head on off into um the sunset for this episode. Mhmm. 1090 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,360 Speaker 1: Anything to get off here. And I just want to 1091 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,359 Speaker 1: say because I don't, I don't want, I don't want 1092 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 1: to get any tweets. Then it's not a believer. You know, 1093 00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,719 Speaker 1: he's a megalomaniac American or whatever that thing was. I 1094 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,400 Speaker 1: do think there is life beyond where we are. I 1095 00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,800 Speaker 1: think it would be foolhardy to just assume that we 1096 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: are the only um the life form operating at the 1097 00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,680 Speaker 1: level we operate. Now, you could get into a situation 1098 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: because I've watched enough Twilight Zones and this is what 1099 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,440 Speaker 1: you gotta watch out for that we're just assuming, is 1100 00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,840 Speaker 1: there anyone as smart as us. No, No, you gotta 1101 00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:34,720 Speaker 1: worry about the guys with the giant heads and the 1102 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,800 Speaker 1: extra large brains that you actually changes the shape of 1103 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:41,640 Speaker 1: their head though, the smarter beings that want to come 1104 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,080 Speaker 1: and harvest this planet, that's what you gotta I'm totally 1105 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,080 Speaker 1: a board, on on on board with that being a 1106 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,120 Speaker 1: possibility as well. And I and when I used the 1107 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 1: word megalomaniac, I was not aiming at at you. I 1108 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:56,520 Speaker 1: think that's that was aimed elsewhere. Just so that's clear. Well, no, 1109 00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:00,160 Speaker 1: I think I didn't want to be seen as fall 1110 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,280 Speaker 1: under that um uh banner that you had hung up, 1111 00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: you had hoisted up. Well you're not. I like that 1112 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 1: you have the connection between like big heads mean means 1113 00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:14,240 Speaker 1: they're smarter because the dinosaurs, well the dinosaurs had some 1114 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,480 Speaker 1: big heads. They were idiots. Well did you ever watch 1115 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,440 Speaker 1: a Twilight Zone episode? Well you you were born, But no, 1116 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,960 Speaker 1: like when the brain is really big and certain science fiction, 1117 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,320 Speaker 1: it actually it's like it almost is like a mushroom 1118 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,240 Speaker 1: and it has to hold the brain that is so giant. Uh, 1119 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,120 Speaker 1: And that's when you gotta watch out. And I just say, 1120 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:34,720 Speaker 1: if you had like a massive brain and you could 1121 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:36,640 Speaker 1: go anywhere would you come and hang out with like 1122 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:41,240 Speaker 1: people in like Chicago or Texas or Florida. I think 1123 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: you'd have better places to go around the universe. I 1124 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: would just demand right now. Yeah, you know, well your harvest. 1125 00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,480 Speaker 1: It's about a harvest. You clear, you till the land here? 1126 00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,040 Speaker 1: If you catch my drift right, asked these cows that 1127 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,600 Speaker 1: have had like their inside burned out with no evidence 1128 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,919 Speaker 1: of how that happened, that are lying in fields, Hey, 1129 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,720 Speaker 1: maybe a cow saw some thing that we should be 1130 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,560 Speaker 1: aware of. But that's okay. We can dig into another time. 1131 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:06,320 Speaker 1: When is the heat and light reducts happening? What's going 1132 00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:10,160 Speaker 1: on with that? I told you that that was a 1133 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,240 Speaker 1: podcast you and Connor or did in what year eighteen 1134 00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 1: maybe sixteen? But we were reached by someone that basically 1135 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:25,360 Speaker 1: said cease. So we haven't got too hot exactly, And 1136 00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:27,959 Speaker 1: I can't I cannot, literally cannot say anything. I touched 1137 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:33,160 Speaker 1: a third rail somewhere. Yeah, that's not untrue, not surprising. 1138 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:38,080 Speaker 1: It was like easter be six years ago. Just that's 1139 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 1: why it's why Marks always had it out for him. 1140 00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:44,320 Speaker 1: That's a fair theory, but that's not I'm not naming names. 1141 00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:47,600 Speaker 1: And we we better wrap before it gets too you know. Yes, 1142 00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,720 Speaker 1: uh yeah. We will be back on Monday with another 1143 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:54,360 Speaker 1: edition of the Around the NFL Podcast. Thank you to 1144 00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:59,720 Speaker 1: everyone who listens. Thank you to Stephen Manny for pinch 1145 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:02,720 Speaker 1: hit and doing great work as he always does. That 1146 01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,080 Speaker 1: man knows where the bodies are buried. This is Dan 1147 01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Hansis signing off for the Quiet Storm and the Old Boss. 1148 01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Yes until Monday. He's the car