1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: Oliskmustan. Welcome to Cheeky's Chill Podcast, your favorite podcast. I 2 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: hope you all had a really great Mother's Day celebrating 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 1: the most important women in your life. I definitely had 4 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: a nice one, relaxing and celebrating Immedial's mom and of 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: course my mom. Even if she's not here physically, she 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: deserves to be celebrated. 7 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: Today we'll be. 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: Focusing on a topic I'm super passionate about. I'll give 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: you a hint. We're going to be talking about the 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: largest organ in the body. That's right, We're going to 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: be talking about our skin. We all know it's very 12 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: important to drink plenty of water and to wear SPF 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: every day. Huge advocate for that, but what else can 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: we be doing? And for those of us who suffer 15 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: from skin conditions like rostatia, acne ezema, what can we 16 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: do to soothe that? To help us answer that question, 17 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm bringing on doctor Julie Greenberg. She's a licensed naturopathic 18 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: doctor and a registered herbalist. Welcome to the podcast, doctor Greenberg. 19 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have you. I love anything that 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: has to do with skin, so you can't even imagine 21 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: how excited I am to have you on the podcast, 22 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: so thank you. 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 2: Well, You're welcome and I love skin too, and thank 24 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 2: you for having me. It's an honor to be here. 25 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate that. 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: I know that the listeners, you guys, are going to 27 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: love this episode. I'm going to ask all the questions 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: for you guys, so I know we all want clear skin. 29 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: But before we get into that, I do want to 30 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: ask what a natural pathic doctor is. 31 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: So naturopathic doctors here in the United States where I live. 32 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: It's a four year medical school degree and we're licensed 33 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: by state. So depending on the state, I could either 34 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: be a primary care physician or it really depends on 35 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: the state. And herbalist is not a doctor, but naturopathic doctors. 36 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: Our training is that we are herbalists, so instead of 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: just writing a pharmaceutical prescription, we're trained in the use 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: of herbal medicine. So we're doctor that are herbalis I 39 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: love that? Okay? Perfect? Okay. 40 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: I have roseatia and I get it from my dad 41 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: and I saw him not so long ago, and I 42 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: saw how with time it can get thicker. If you 43 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: don't treat it, it is and correct me if this 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: is if I'm wrong, But it comes from the gut, right, 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: It starts in the gut. 46 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: So rosesiha is what we call a complex multifactorial disease. 47 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 2: So there's not like one thing only that we can 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 2: point to and say, ah, that's the thing that causes roseesia. 49 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: But you are absolutely correct that we do see a 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: lot of what we call correlation between what's going on 51 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: in the gut and patients who have roseaesia. And there's 52 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 2: some particular species of bacteria we can see in the 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: gut of people who have roseesia, like something called Hpylori, 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: which is a bacteria that lives in the stomach, So 55 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: we know that the gut microbiome has a piece. And 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: then there's also topical things that can be a factor 57 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 2: in roseaesia. You talked about thickening of the skin, and 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 2: in the worst case scenario, there's something called rhinofyma where 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: people can get very bulbous, like very large noses with 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 2: a lot of skin thickening, and that we attribute to 61 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: something called dimadex mites. So it's a little gross when 62 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 2: people think about it, but we've all got like microscopic 63 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 2: creatures living on us, and we have these microscopic mites, 64 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: and there are ones that live in our face and 65 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: eat sebum or oil that we produce naturally in our skin. 66 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 2: And something seems to happen with rosetia where either there's 67 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 2: too many dimadex mites or there's an immune system kind 68 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: of inappropriate response where it can cause inflammation, thickening of 69 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: the skin. And again in the worst case scenario that 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 2: rhino fimo where people get like noses that can be 71 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 2: two or three times the size of a normal nose. 72 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of things going on in roseatia. 73 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: That we need to deal with, okay, And it is hereditary, right, 74 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: So there's a hereditary component. So yes, I mean when 75 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: we see rosesha, we certainly ask our patients. 76 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: Is there a family history? But you could also be 77 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: the first person in your family to have roseesha and 78 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: nobody you know and your family may have it, so 79 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: it can go eat your way. 80 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, because I definitely get it from my dad, 81 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: and when I saw him, I did see that it 82 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: was a lot better. He said that they gave him, 83 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,359 Speaker 1: i want to say, an antibiotic, and he said, since 84 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,279 Speaker 1: then it has really diminished. So I was just wondering, 85 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that's when I realize. I'm like, oh, 86 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: it's in the gut. And I kind of knew that 87 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I feel like when I eat certain things, 88 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: or I get in the sauna or spicy food, I've 89 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: noticed that it does flare it up. Which is why 90 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: I wanted to have this conversation with you, because I 91 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: think we're all striving to have better skin, and of 92 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: course topical creams and good skincare works, but I really 93 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: want to get into the nitty gritty of it of 94 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: really what it is that we are in and putting 95 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: into our bodies. 96 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're so right. I think the approach so 97 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 2: often to skin care or skin problems is, well, we 98 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 2: can see the skin and touch it, so let's just 99 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 2: put things on top of it, which certainly can help 100 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 2: or make a difference. But we generate skin from the 101 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: inside out. If you think about it, we're a tube, right. 102 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 2: The outside of the tube is the skin that we 103 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: can touch and see, and we're connected at the mouth 104 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 2: and at the tush, at the anus, and the inside 105 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 2: of the tube is our digestive track and it's all 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: different types of epithelial or skin type tissue, and so 107 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 2: it's connected. What is going on in your gut controls 108 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 2: your immune system, and what is going on in your 109 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: gut will directly impact what's happening on your skin. So 110 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 2: in addition to paying attention to the things that we're 111 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: doing topically and putting on our skin, we absolutely want 112 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 2: to pay attention to what we're putting in our mouth 113 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: and what's happening with our gut microbiome or the organisms 114 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,160 Speaker 2: that naturally live in our gut. And that's totally normal 115 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: and healthy. We've co evolved with those gut microbes, and 116 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: people are usually pretty sounded to learn how many microbes 117 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 2: are living in our gut. It's trillions. It's about three 118 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: to five pounds. So next time you step on the scale, 119 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: you look at that number and you think, wow, three 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,479 Speaker 2: to five pounds that this are microbes living in my 121 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: gut and they belong there and we need them, and 122 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 2: we want the right gut microbes to keep you and 123 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,919 Speaker 2: your skin healthy. If it's the wrong gut microbes, it 124 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: can make you sick and it can cause skin problems. 125 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:41,159 Speaker 1: Oh mg, that's a lot. Three to five pounds. 126 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: It's like a hand weight that we carry around at 127 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: all time, all with microbes. 128 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: Okay, and I have a bunch of questions in regards 129 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: to that, but I did want to ask you a 130 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: little bit of a not personal but if you feel comfortable, 131 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: have you ever suffered with any type of skin condition? Doctor? 132 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's funny because people definitely think, oh, because 133 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 2: I specialize in skin, maybe I had some sort of 134 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 2: like acne or egzema. But I didn't. But it's a 135 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 2: very naturopathic way I got to skin. So another part 136 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 2: of being a naturopathic doctor is we say treat the 137 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: whole person. You know, it's great. In conventional medicine, we 138 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: do have specialists, but sometimes we kind of try to 139 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: chop up the body like they're completely different. Right, So 140 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 2: it's like you go to your dermatologists, they're only thinking 141 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 2: about your skin. You go to the cardiologists, they're only 142 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: thinking about your heart. You go to the gaser entrologists, 143 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 2: they're only thinking about your gut. But it's all connected. 144 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 2: We're one body, and our body, mind and spirit is 145 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 2: all connected and all impacts our health. So from a 146 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 2: naturopathic principle, we say treat the whole person. Think about 147 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 2: the whole body. And the mind and the spirit. So 148 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 2: I actually got interested in dermatology because my first diagnosis 149 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 2: with the chronic health disease was a thyroid autoimmune disease 150 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 2: called hashimotos, which is very common in a lot of 151 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 2: your listeners, particularly female, are going to be shaking their 152 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: heads and saying, I have hypothyroidism or hashimotos. And when 153 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: I first got diagnosed, I lived in LA and I 154 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: went to a big, you know, famous center, and I 155 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: was just shell shocked that they said, well, we don't 156 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: know what causes it, we don't know how to fix it. 157 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 2: We're going to give you this medicine, but it may 158 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 2: not help and we can't do anything about it. And 159 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 2: I just walked out of there just really shell shocked, thinking, 160 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: we have like the best medicine in the world, the 161 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: best minds working on this, and this is the answer 162 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 2: that I'm going to be tired and overweight the rest 163 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: of my life and we don't know what caused it 164 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 2: or how to fix it. So I started doing research 165 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: and I tried to figure out like what could be 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: causing the thyroid problem. And the more I looked at it, 167 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: the more I found our food and then our personal 168 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: care products. So a lot of the products that we 169 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: put on our skin are what are called endocrine disruptors. 170 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: They're hormone disruptors, and they can affect our thyroid. And 171 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 2: with all the like lotions and shampoos and makeup and 172 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 2: deodorant and things that women put on their skin on 173 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 2: a daily basis, women can average five hundred chemicals a day. 174 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 2: Through these topicals, we absorb it and it can impact 175 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: things like our thyroid and cause hypothyroidism. So I started 176 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: researching and trying to make my own skin products and 177 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: trying to clean up what I was putting on my 178 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: skin and absorbing into my body. And then I fell 179 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: in love with skin in dermatology. But that's gone. That's 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 2: how I became a specialist just through my thyroid, which 181 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 2: is a very naturopathic thing because it was it was 182 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,199 Speaker 2: actually a different organ system that was impacted by skin. 183 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: Everything is impacted by skin. 184 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 1: Well, look at that. I also have hypothyroidism, and I 185 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: take medicine every day, and my doctor said, I'm going 186 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 1: to have to take medicine for the rest of my life. 187 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: But I got off the medicine on the Okay, I'm 188 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 1: going to meditate my way through this, I'm and I 189 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: looked and went to a holistic doctor, and I've removed 190 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: gluten and I try not to have so much dairy, 191 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: and I do feel the difference. But as soon as 192 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: I stopped taking it, they are seven pounds two weeks later, 193 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: so I got right back on it. But I do 194 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: feel that we can heal our bodies exactly with what 195 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: you said, it's what we put I'm getting better, you know, 196 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: even getting my nails done. You know, I'm looking for 197 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: organic nail polish, and I mean, these are things that 198 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: I didn't really think about when I was younger, and 199 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: now I really I'm going to hit forty, like I 200 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: need to like take care of myself more and be 201 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,680 Speaker 1: careful with what it is that I'm putting on my skin. 202 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: It's the largest organ in our body, you guys. 203 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 2: It is, and you're like so many women. There's so 204 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: many pressures on women to beautify and do treatments and 205 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,559 Speaker 2: all of these things. And I used to get my 206 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: nails done every week. I used to have acrylic nails 207 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: and never thought twice about it, never thought that could 208 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,599 Speaker 2: impact health. And then you know, obviously now I'm a 209 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 2: naturalpathic doctor and all of that is part of my 210 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: job to know. But yeah, I mean learning that there's 211 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 2: formaldehyde in nail polish. Do we absorb things through the 212 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: nails into our system? Formaldehyde is what we preserve dead 213 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 2: bodies with. Well, we're alive. We don't want to be 214 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: absorbing formaldehyde, you know. So now they're trying to do 215 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 2: things like making formaldehyde free nail polish and other things. 216 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: But it is a little difficult because we identify and 217 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: take out one dangerous chemical, but then sometimes the things 218 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: that they put in can end up being worse. And 219 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 2: so it is just being mindful and asking like, well, 220 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: what is this doing to me? And do need this? 221 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 2: You know? Does this make me feel beautiful or do 222 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: I need it to feel beautiful or are there some 223 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 2: other options. 224 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: Now I'm starting to be a lot more cautious and 225 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: really looking at the ingredients, and I do feel the difference. 226 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: I do feel like I have more energy, and my 227 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 1: goal is to eventually stop taking this medicine you know, 228 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: and and heal my body. But AnyWho, now, because I 229 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: do want to talk about what we are ingesting and 230 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: what we can What are some things that you recommend 231 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: us staying away from to have clear skin. So let's 232 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: start there. For instance, how do you feel about dairy? 233 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 2: So personally, I don't like dairy, especially the way that 234 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: we manufacture and consume it in the United States. Many 235 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 2: there's any West Coast listeners and you've driven up I 236 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 2: five and you pass these stinky like enormous I mean, 237 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 2: those are the meat ones. But you know, cows live 238 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 2: in these what are called CAFOs, concentrated animal feed operations, 239 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: and they are not living normal lives. We're not feeding 240 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: them normal food. Cows are supposed to eat grass. We're 241 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: feeding them corn and things to fatten them up. And 242 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: so the milk from these cows is not great quality milk. 243 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: But even more than that, if we step back and 244 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 2: just think about it from like a thirty thousand foot picture, 245 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 2: and I go through this with patients, I say, what 246 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,559 Speaker 2: is milk? Why is there milk on the plant? Right? 247 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: What is the purpose of milk? And you used to 248 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: drink milk? When did you drink milk. 249 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: When I was a baby, when I was younger. 250 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: And that was appropriate And the definition of being a 251 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 2: mammal is that the mother produces milk for an infant, 252 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:30,719 Speaker 2: and that infant starts off life drinking milk. But then 253 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: at some point, every mammal on planet Earth since the 254 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 2: history of time transitions off of milk and onto their 255 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: main food source, whether that's grass for a baby cow 256 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: or you know, hunting antelope for lions. You come off 257 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 2: the milk, you transition to your food, and you will 258 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: never have milk again. Ever, as a baby mammal, you 259 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: will also never have milk of another species. A cow 260 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: is not going to allow an elephant baby to come 261 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: over and drink from it, or vice versa. So it 262 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 2: is not a normal thing biologically for adults to be 263 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: drinking milk or drinking the milk of another species. And 264 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,319 Speaker 2: a lot of people have lost an enzyme called lactase, 265 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: which is the ability to digest milk. So people who 266 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 2: are like, oh, I'm lactose intolerant, they can't do it 267 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 2: because if they drink milk, they will immediately get like 268 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 2: tummy eggs or diarrhea or big problems. But the rest 269 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 2: of the population can digest it. But again, it's not 270 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: an appropriate food source because we are not baby cows 271 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: and we never will be and we never were, and 272 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,800 Speaker 2: so milk, I think, can be a problematic food and 273 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: again the cows that are producing the milk here are 274 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: not particularly healthy. There's certain of my patients where I 275 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 2: really stress that they cut out milk. Those would be 276 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 2: my acne patients and my eggzema patients. Acne is driven 277 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: by something called overproduction of sebum cibam. I mentioned before 278 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: with the demodex mites, So every hair follicle and cleaning 279 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 2: the ones on our face, even women have little tiny 280 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 2: hairs all over their face. It produces sebum, which is 281 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: like an oil, and that's good, that lubricates the skin. 282 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 2: But an overproduction of sebum is the first step in 283 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 2: development of acne, and milk triggers a pathway that's gonna 284 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 2: drive the overproduction of acne. So any of my acne patients, 285 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: I say, take out all milk, and then the negotiation 286 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 2: becomes that they say, what about sheep or cow or camel. No, 287 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 2: any milk that came from a mammal mama I was 288 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: turned into anything, whether it's a glass of milk or 289 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: cheese or ice cream, it doesn't belong in your system. 290 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: Eggzema is the other one, because I really find that 291 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 2: my exhama patients really react to dairy. I mean I 292 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: have yet to meet an EXAMA patient who does well 293 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: on dairy and it manifests in further skin rashes for 294 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: their eggzema. So the milk can do different things. If 295 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: a patient doesn't have any skin issues and they can 296 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: digest milk just fine, you know, then great power to you. 297 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: Is there a milk that you recommend, like almond milk 298 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: or oat milk or anything like that. 299 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 2: So the problem is that starts to become pretty artificial. 300 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 2: There are like machines that people can make nut milks 301 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: at home, like almond cow or something like that. And 302 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: what I tell people is start, you know, reading the 303 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 2: ingredients of everything you eat. So look at the nut 304 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 2: milk that you're gonna buy in the store, and if 305 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: it has five or fewer ingredients, probably it's okay. Once 306 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 2: you start getting a long list of multi syllabic sounding 307 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 2: ingredients where you're like, I can't even pronounce it, let 308 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: alone know what that is, it is probably not good 309 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 2: for you because if you don't know what it is, 310 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: your system did not evolve to eat it. It was 311 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: developed in a lab, and it is probably not good 312 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: for you. But if you see, you know, cashews and 313 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 2: water and you know something like that, Okay, then then 314 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: you can drink it. Okay. 315 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: So is that where the term gmo where non gmo 316 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: comes from. 317 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 2: That's a kind of different pathway where they have messed 318 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: with the DNA and the genes of an organism, and 319 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: that can be you know, something like tomatoes that they're 320 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 2: trying to make seedless or other things. But yeah, genetically 321 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: modified is different. 322 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: Do you recommend your patients to take prebiotics post biotics? 323 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: Probiotic is like a micro organism, So it's a bacteria. 324 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,879 Speaker 2: So when we say I'm taking probiotics, it can be yeas, 325 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 2: but usually we're talking about bacteria. And so a lot 326 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: of times the probiotics you'll find in the refrigerator section, 327 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: and the reason they're in the fridge is to try 328 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 2: to keep those bacteria alive. So again people might think like, oh, no, 329 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: I have three to five pounds of microbes in my gut, 330 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: Like that sounds scary. I want to get rid of them. No, 331 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 2: we don't. We need our good guy microbes. So the 332 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: probiotics are good bacteria and those can be really helpful. 333 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: The prebiotic is really the food for the bacteria. For 334 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: the probiotics, what is food for probiotics, Well, it's fiber. 335 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: So you could take like an artificial prebiotic supplement, or 336 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: there's symbiotics now where they do combination pre probiotics together, 337 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 2: but you don't need that. I work with my patients 338 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,959 Speaker 2: on eating plants and getting thirty five grams of fiber 339 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: a day. That fiber is the prebiotic that feeds the 340 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: probiotic the organism, and a post biotic is the things 341 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 2: that the organisms make for us that are good and 342 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: that's why we've co evolved to have them. So, for example, 343 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 2: there's a bacteria called Ficali bacterium who lives in our 344 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: gut and we feed fiber, and Ficali Bacterium eats the 345 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: fiber and then it creates something called butyrate, a short 346 00:18:57,320 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 2: chain fatty acid, and we can't make the butyratem. Fuerate 347 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 2: feeds the cells of our intestines, keeps them healthy, and 348 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 2: it keeps everything including our immune system, nice and calm 349 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: in the gut. So it's a natural process of prebiotics. 350 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 2: You're eating the fiber post biotics. Hopefully you have a good, 351 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 2: healthy microbiome in there, and then the post biotics are 352 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 2: the things they're going to make, so we don't need 353 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: to take them in pills. Okay, But if people's diets 354 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 2: are like McDonald's and you know a lot of like 355 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,239 Speaker 2: meat and carbs and alcohol and sugar and not a 356 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 2: lot of fiber, that's where a probiotic could be helpful 357 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: for them to try to kind of set things a 358 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: little bit right, because probably things are off if they 359 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: haven't been eating the healthiest, got it, And. 360 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: So whole foods are always the best way to go. 361 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 2: Yes, the produce aisle is where I recommend patients spend 362 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:56,240 Speaker 2: a lot of their time, and I recommend that patients 363 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,719 Speaker 2: play something called the Rainbow game, which is that they 364 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 2: go to the protosisle and do their normal shop for produce, 365 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: and then they look in their basket and they're going 366 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 2: to go through the colors of the rainbow red, orange, yellow, green, blue, violet. 367 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 2: They're going to identify which colors are missing, and then 368 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,120 Speaker 2: they go back through the produce aisle a second time 369 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 2: and get something from each missing color group. That way, 370 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: we've got the rainbow in their basket, and over the 371 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 2: course of the week, they're going to eat something from 372 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: each color group that's going to diversify the types of 373 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,520 Speaker 2: plants that they're eating, get them to try new things. 374 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: But those colors are more than just beautiful. They're full 375 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: of things called polyphenols, which are these tiny little nutrients 376 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: that do things like help prevent dementia and also feeds 377 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: our gut microbiome and also makes your skin really beautiful. 378 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 2: So the reds and pomegranate or raspberries, those anthocyanins, the 379 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 2: blues and blueberries and blackberries, they do amazing things for 380 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,119 Speaker 2: your skin. So eating the rainbow is a great thing 381 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 2: for all of us to practice. I freaking love that. 382 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: I love how you said it so beautifully. And I 383 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: just went grocery shopping yesterday. I'm so proud to say 384 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: that my cart did look. 385 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 2: Like a rainbow. 386 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 1: I had collar greens, I had kill I had my blueberries, 387 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: my strawberries red. Oh my gosh, I'm doing good, guys. 388 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: I'm so excited. 389 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 2: That's awesome. It's really fun to do with farmers' markets too, 390 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: because everything's changing at the farmer's market and kids. You 391 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: can involve your kids too, and then maybe they'll eat 392 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,440 Speaker 2: it when they get home because they picked it out. 393 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: It's a little bit easier. 394 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: I like that. 395 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: You're right. 396 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So going back a little bit to the fiber. 397 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: What kind of fiber do you recommend for your patients. 398 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: Is it in the greens? 399 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,359 Speaker 2: Is it like a powder? Yeah? So the good news 400 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,240 Speaker 2: is that any plant has fiber. So there's no fiber 401 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 2: in animal products. So if you're eating like a steak 402 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 2: or chicken or fish, no fiber. No fiber in dairy, 403 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 2: no fiber in eggs. But any plant item, so nuts, seeds, vegetables, fruits, 404 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 2: grains all have fiber. There's different amounts of fiber in 405 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 2: different foods. So beans, for example, are a super food 406 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 2: and beans have a ton of fiber. If you eat 407 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: a cup of like kidney beans, you'll get like fifteen 408 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: or sixteen grams of fiber amazing. If you eat a 409 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 2: medium sized apple, that's about usually about four grams of fiber. 410 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,719 Speaker 2: So there's differing amounts in different foods, and I just 411 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: have patients go for diversities. What I aim for them 412 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 2: to get is thirty five grams of fiber a day 413 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 2: between all the different plants they're eating, and then we 414 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: aim to get thirty different plants a week. And that's 415 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,400 Speaker 2: where that rainbow game helps is we don't just want 416 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 2: to eat like the same thing day in and day out. 417 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: You know, variety is the spice of life, and our 418 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 2: microbes willly crave variety too, So eating with the seasons, 419 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: getting those different colors in, using herbs and spices to cook. 420 00:23:09,240 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 2: And so many traditional cuisines already do this and do 421 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 2: it beautifully. Fortunately in America we've taken out herbs and spices. 422 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 2: It's a lot of beige fried food. But if we 423 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: go back to you know, the beautiful global cuisines of 424 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 2: the world, it's already built in there. So somebody has, 425 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: you know, an ethnic background, and they are from India 426 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 2: or Mexico, I tell them, like, go back, get your 427 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: grandmother's recipes, try to cook those. They're going to be 428 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 2: built in beautiful herbs and spices and plants and whole 429 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: nutritious foods. 430 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,639 Speaker 1: Yes, I did not know that there was fibert nuts. 431 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 1: I didn't have no idea. That's great because for a 432 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: long time I stayed away from nuts because it's, oh, 433 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 1: if you eat too many nuts, you're going to break out. 434 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 2: But no, right, that's not necessarily true. I mean, obviously 435 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: some people have nut allergies or kind of intolerances if 436 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: they overdose it on nuts. But you know, a little 437 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 2: handful of nuts a day. Most studies show that people 438 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 2: who eat nuts tend to, you know, be healthier. It's 439 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 2: a wonderful whole food. Okay, good. 440 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: I have nuts in my bag all the time now, 441 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: cashews and walnuts, and it's fun. I put a little 442 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: bit of dark chocolate in there because I have a 443 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 1: sweet tooth, so I trying to just do dark chocolate. 444 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: It's been tough, and that cacal. That dark chocolate also 445 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 2: great antioxidants, great for your skin. 446 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 1: Ooh, look at that, guys, No wonder. I feel like 447 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: my skin has been thriving. Ever since I changed my diet. 448 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: My roseatia hasn't been flaring. I am, and it has 449 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: to do with all the little, big changes that I've 450 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: been making, especially with seeing personally. Staying away from dairy 451 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 1: has helped me so much. 452 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: Yes, it will. 453 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 1: It's tough, not gonna lie. But now that I'm thinking, 454 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: I want to look and feel better. You know, I 455 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,919 Speaker 1: I'm maturing, so I have to take care of my 456 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: body in a different way. And talking about that, is 457 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: there anything else that you recommend? For instance, I have roseatia. 458 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 1: And we did talk a little bit about the acne 459 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: and ezema, but are there like specific things that you'd say, Okay, 460 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: if you have this condition, this can condition stay away 461 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: from these foods so that you don't have a flare up. 462 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, So roseesiha and you mentioned it is famous for 463 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,480 Speaker 2: spicy foods well make roseesia flare, so some people have 464 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: trouble with spicy foods. Alcohol can make roseesia flair. Sometimes 465 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 2: it depends on the type of alcohol for people. So 466 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: I have some roseaesia patients you can get away with 467 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 2: like a beer, but if they have wine, they'll flare 468 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: or vice versa. And it's not a food, but the 469 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: direct sun exposure u V radiation tends to make roseesia 470 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 2: flair as well. So those are kind of some big 471 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: ones to be aware with with roseaesia. You know, spicy 472 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 2: foods don't tend to affect my acne or exima patients. 473 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 2: We talked about dairy for them. Wheat and gluten can 474 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 2: affect my eggs patience. A gluten can affect zoriasis patients 475 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 2: as well, so I have patients kind of experiment with it. 476 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 2: Eggzema is called atopic dermatitis or allergic dermatitis. So there's 477 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: a whole host of foods that exzema patients may need 478 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 2: to stay away from, including like eggs or if they 479 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: know they're allergic to something. Okay, but really eating a 480 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 2: whole food, you know, plant based diet with healthy meats. 481 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 2: So we want to get our meats from, like if 482 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 2: it's fish, wild cut, if it's poultry, you know, pasture 483 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 2: free roaming, If it's meat, one hundred percent grass fed, 484 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 2: grass finished, And I make the distinction not just grass fed, 485 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 2: because it's this cat and mouse game between producers who 486 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 2: want to sell things cheaply and consumers who want to 487 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: be healthy and consumers, we're looking for grass fed beef, 488 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 2: obviously that's healthier. Grass is a normal food for cow, 489 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: that's the food they're supposed to eat. They don't do 490 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 2: well on corn, but the corn fattens them up and 491 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 2: makes them grow quickly so that they can get to slaughter. 492 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: But they get sick, so then they have to give 493 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 2: those cows antibiotics. So it's a whole problem when you're 494 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: not feeding an animal that they're meant to eat. When 495 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 2: a cow eats grass, it's very healthy and it contains 496 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 2: healthy omega threes even in the beef. But manufacturers, what 497 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 2: they'll do is try to gain the system and they'll 498 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 2: put the cow on pasture for a little bit of 499 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: time so they can claim that that cow is grass fed, 500 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 2: but they take them in and fatten them up on 501 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 2: the last four months with corn, and then that kind 502 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,439 Speaker 2: of eradicates all the gains from putting them out on 503 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 2: the grass. So when you're looking for grass, make sure 504 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,199 Speaker 2: you're looking for one hundred percent grass fed or grass 505 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 2: fed grass finished to make sure that that manufacturer isn't 506 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 2: trying to pull one over on you and that you 507 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 2: are getting that really healthy beef that was out on 508 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 2: pasture its whole life. 509 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I agree, and I know some of you are thinking, 510 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:05,159 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, it's so expensive. Yes, it can be expensive, 511 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: but also I always say, these are things that are 512 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,439 Speaker 1: we are putting into our bodies, you guys, that are 513 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: keeping us alive. We just have to change our lifestyle 514 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: a little bit. Stop doing i don't know, going out 515 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 1: and drinking and getting your nails done even so that 516 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 1: you can have more money to buy these whole foods, 517 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: you guys, and buy this quality meat. You guys have 518 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: to just kind of really make a better choice for 519 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: yourself so that you can live a healthier life one 520 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: hundred percent. 521 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 2: And there is nothing more expensive than being sick. You 522 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 2: can't work, not only you have all these medical bills. 523 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 2: The number one reason for bankruptcy in the US is 524 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 2: due to medical expenses. Yeah, right, and that's due to 525 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: chronic disease. And just think about the last time you 526 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: had the flu or you were sick. Nothing else matters. 527 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: When you're sick, Now you're going to have a chronic disease, 528 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 2: nothing else matters. It's when we're healthy, we take it 529 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: for granted and we think we're never going to be sick. 530 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: But then when you're sick, sometimes we can't make people better. 531 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: And so, yes, it is more expensive to buy the 532 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: grass fed, but in the long term it's actually less expensive. 533 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: Yes, there you go that part. And you are a 534 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: registered herbalist, So are there any herbs that you can 535 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 1: talk about and tell us about to help clear up 536 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: our skin? 537 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah? So again depends what you know. Disease people have, 538 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 2: is it acne, eggs, amasoriasis, roseatia. I have very very 539 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 2: different treatment plans with different herbs, and I do got 540 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 2: microbiome testing on every patient. So before I see a 541 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: patient for the first visit, they have to do a 542 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 2: poop test, which does involve they poop into a tray 543 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 2: and then they collect the stool and put it in 544 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: a vial and they will send in that sample to 545 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: a lab. And then they also pee in a cup 546 00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 2: and send that in and I get back to reports 547 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: which shows me they're got microbiome. I can see exactly 548 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: what's living in their gut. Is the good stuff there? 549 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,320 Speaker 2: Is the good stuff there? And enough numbers? Is there 550 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 2: bad stuff there I need to get rid of. And 551 00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: then depending on their unique gut microbiome profile, then I'll 552 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 2: prescribe herbs for them to take orally so that we 553 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: can fix things in the gut. Okay, So that is 554 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 2: like part of the prescription. You know. I don't prescribe pharmaceuticals, 555 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 2: not orally or topically. It's an herbal protocol and that 556 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 2: I think somebody needs to know and be directed by 557 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 2: a licensed naturopathic doctor or herbal list. But there's lots 558 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 2: of great herbal things that we could put on our skins. 559 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 2: When I was growing up and we get a burn. 560 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 2: First thing, your mom would say is go put some 561 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 2: alo veragel on it, and alo is wonderful. I mean 562 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 2: it's not the green, gloopy stuff that you find in 563 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 2: some pharmacies. It's actually a kind of clear, opaque liquid 564 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: and it comes from the alo plant and it is 565 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 2: a wonderful substance. It doesn't just heal sunburns. I mean 566 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: it will help with producing more collagen in the skin. 567 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 2: It can help with wrinkles, it can help with eggzema 568 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 2: and psoriasis. So all of the plant world, we can 569 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 2: use both orally and we can use topically. I use 570 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: beautiful plant oils. I'll do essential oil mixes. Hydrosols are 571 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,720 Speaker 2: byproducts of the essential oil making process. It's like a 572 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: te so my toners, I'll spray hydrosols like from rosemary 573 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 2: or lavender. So the same as I'm prescribing herbs internally, 574 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 2: I'm prescribing herbs topically as well, and they're great. 575 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: And where are you based? 576 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 2: So my office is based out of Los Angeles, but 577 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: I am licensed in California, Oregon, and Washington. I'm often 578 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 2: full and closed to new patients, but I have a 579 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 2: training program. I train license healthcare providers, so everybody from 580 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 2: Board certified dermatologists to other naturopathic doctors are nurse practitioners 581 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: who are interested in skincare. And if your listeners want 582 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 2: to find a practitioner I've trained, they can go to 583 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: root Causdermatology dot com. I click on find a practitioner 584 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: and they've all been trained in my methods to have 585 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 2: a non pharmaceutical root cause approach where we figure out 586 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 2: what's going wrong in the body and let's fix that, 587 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: so we're not just doing suppressive medication forever and ever. 588 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: Oh I love it, Oh my goodness. And what was 589 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: that a website again. 590 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 2: Root Cause Dermatology and my clinic office site is Integrative 591 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: Dermatologycenter dot com. Perfect. Oh my goodness. 592 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 1: I had such an amazing This was so informative, so 593 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: much confirmation, so thank you so much. I don't know 594 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: if there's anything else that you'd like to add that 595 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,160 Speaker 1: we didn't touch on anything that I'm missing. 596 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 2: We didn't talk about sugar, so just a word of warning, right, 597 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 2: I mean, we are sugar Nation, and sugar really is addictive. 598 00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: But the food that will aide your skin the fastest 599 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 2: is sugar, unfortunately, So you know, in addition to we 600 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 2: know that other things. You know, it can cause diabetes 601 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: and other sorts of problems. Really think about reducing that 602 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: sugar for your skin, because skin we want nice supple collagen. 603 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: Collagen is a protein. We want nice fluid collagen. Obviously, 604 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: as we age, you know, we're going to develop things 605 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: like wrinkles and whatnot, but we still want to be 606 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 2: producing as healthy collagen as we can. When we eat sugar, 607 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 2: it kind of gets into the fibers of the collagen 608 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 2: and it makes the collagen crunchy. We don't want crunchy skin. 609 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: We want nice, suffle, fluid skin. So really one of 610 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: the biggest agers you know, I would say, is sugar. 611 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: And of course we're learning more and more about alcohol. Well, well, 612 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 2: I do like a nice drink every now and then. 613 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: You know, it really is a toxin and it's a 614 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: big ager, so it can lead to increased dementia and 615 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: all sorts of problems as well. 616 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 1: That's one thing I've also stayed away from. I've been 617 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 1: staying away from for like a couple months now, and 618 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: I definitely see the difference in my skin. And going 619 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: back to to sugar, do you mean sugar like refined sugar, honey? 620 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: Is it all kind of because I love honey, so 621 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: I just I don't know. I wanted to ask about that. 622 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all sugar will do it definitely, Like 623 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 2: honey is healthier than like, uh, you know, high frictose 624 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 2: corn syrup, and if someone has allergies, going to the 625 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 2: farmer's market and getting raw local the honey can help 626 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 2: reducing the allergen to pollens in someone's area. But it 627 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: all eventually is sugar. So we just want to be 628 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 2: really mindful and you know, not overuse sugar in things 629 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 2: where we don't have to. And the less sugar you eat, 630 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 2: the sweeter things will taste. The more sugar you eat, 631 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,400 Speaker 2: the taste receptors get like dolled to sugar, and then 632 00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: you need more sugar to taste it. 633 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: So oh wow, okay, that makes sense. Okay, and quickly coffee. 634 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: How do you feel about coffee? 635 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 2: So? I love coffee. I used to drink my coffee, 636 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: you know, before I was an atropathic doctor, almost like 637 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,919 Speaker 2: a dessert. There was so much milk and sugar in there. 638 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,839 Speaker 2: I mean it was really like about, you know, a 639 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 2: dessert beverage. And I used to look at people who 640 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 2: drink just black coffee, no sugar, no milk, and think 641 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 2: they were absolutely crazy. But when I gave up a diery, 642 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 2: I took the diery out of the coffee. And then 643 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 2: I was still using sugar, and then I was trying 644 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 2: the artificial sugars. But there's no outer official sugar that's 645 00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,799 Speaker 2: good for us. And so I said, okay, I have 646 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 2: to get rid of this. And now I love bitter coffee, 647 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 2: like dark, bitter black coffee. And it is amazing what 648 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:40,399 Speaker 2: the body can like change to when you start cultivating 649 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 2: the taste for bitter. And that's why a lot of 650 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,520 Speaker 2: people don't like to eat their greens, because greens can 651 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,319 Speaker 2: be bitter. But if you start eating it and cultivating 652 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 2: the taste, your body really will start to get used 653 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: to it and really love it. And now I love 654 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: dark black, bitter coffee. So I'm a fan. I think, 655 00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 2: you know, not using plastics to make it. I like 656 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,120 Speaker 2: to do a cold brew at home. It's a cold 657 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 2: water infusion. Yeah, you want high quality organic coffee, but 658 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 2: the number one antioxidant consumed in the US by Americans 659 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 2: is coffee. Is coffee. 660 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, just wanted to see what that did. That 661 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: makes a lot of sense. It's not necessarily the coffee. 662 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: It's what we put into the coffee and add to 663 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: the coffee that causes all the other stuff the skin. Okay, perfect, 664 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,520 Speaker 1: you know honestly, doctor Greenberg, you were a delight. Thank 665 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 1: you so much. I'm leaving this conversation so inspired and 666 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm on the right track. I got 667 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,759 Speaker 1: to keep going. Thank you so much. And you, guys, 668 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,439 Speaker 1: I hope that you enjoyed this episode as well. Please 669 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: share it with everyone that you love because this is 670 00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: this is this is what we're doing. We're sharing, We're 671 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,800 Speaker 1: sharing life literally in a podcast. You guys, so thank you, doctor, 672 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: and I'll see you guys on the next episode of 673 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: Chickens and Chill. 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