1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:03,240 Speaker 2: Let's go. 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Let's go Giants. I like it. Out of the Giants, bubbling, 4 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: give me some job. Part of the Giants podcast Network's 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: a long time. We go way back, man, back through 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: our Battle of Ohio days. 7 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 3: Oh Man, the Bengals, me with the Browns. Oh Man, 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 3: that was awesome. 9 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: Man. 10 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, lots of change now, lots have changed a 11 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 4: lot of time. 12 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: You're coaching out for the Giants. Welcome to the g Men. 13 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: Oh Man. Appreciate it, Man, appreciate it. 14 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: So you've been down the street a little bit. 15 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 3: I have, I have, man, but uh but. 16 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: I got to ask you titles, right, all right, So 17 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,959 Speaker 1: you're a secondary coach, but you're also the past game coordinator, Yes, 18 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: so define what does a past game coordinator do and 19 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: what like? What are some of your obligations as that coordinator? 20 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 3: Well as the coordinator. 21 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 4: Basically, I always talk about it from this standpoint, understanding 22 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 4: all the concepts and things that happened in the passing game, 23 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 4: coordinating with Shane to make everything that he implements come 24 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 4: to life, so that we're all on the same page, 25 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 4: understanding all the small details. That is no conversation that 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 4: goes unmissed, no technique that goes unspoken about those things. 27 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 3: So it's really when. 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 4: You look at it from that perspective, it's like the 29 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 4: guy that basically puts the glue together with everything, making 30 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 4: sure that everybody's on the same page. 31 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Right, So you I mean that whole scheme. I mean, 32 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: obviously when you were a player, you understood all those schemes. 33 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 1: They've changed a little bit with how they do some things, 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: but man, I mean, you were with DQ back in Seattle, 35 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, and then obviously you were in Affiliate and 36 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: then with the Jets, so you've been you've been really 37 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: involved with the zone scheme. Right, How has that evolved 38 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: and how is that different than a man's scheme from. 39 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 3: The standpoint of zone. 40 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 4: Again, there's a lot of communication that happens in zone. 41 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 4: So from that perspective, we were, you know, being with 42 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 4: DQ heat all those guys, even with Jim, we understood 43 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 4: or making sure that you know formation recognition, route concepts, 44 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 4: the communications on every adjustment, those checks and those differences 45 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 4: when you're playing man, man is more of understanding the 46 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 4: picks and rubs and the situations that we can possibly 47 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: be in, and that communication that has to happen on 48 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: understanding what leverage and well. 49 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: My help is and things of those in that nature. 50 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,799 Speaker 4: But I think the biggest thing and now with our 51 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 4: scheme now is that you know them being in year 52 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 4: two me being in year one with it, which is awesome. 53 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 4: It's a piggyback a little bit of what I did 54 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 4: when I was with. 55 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz and Philly. 56 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 4: So it was kind of a combination of being able to, 57 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: you know, match zone principles that turn into man and 58 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 4: understanding that the verbage and the technique that need to 59 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 4: go along with it. 60 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Gotcha. So if a guy comes to you that has 61 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: played more man in college than zone, what's the biggest 62 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:55,959 Speaker 1: challenge for him? 63 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 4: The biggest challenge when he played more man less communication, 64 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: it's a little less. 65 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: You have your cat, I have my cat. I can 66 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 3: go play ball. 67 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 4: I didn't have to communicate, I didn't understand I didn't 68 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 4: have to understand the if his trips formation. If I 69 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 4: got number one, I didn't have to worry about two 70 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 4: or three. Now I have to understand that I communicate 71 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 4: across the board. If number one disappeared and I now 72 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 4: have the match number two, I'd have to communicate that 73 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 4: and those things I think you know, and it's again 74 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 4: it's always time on task and we have to make it. 75 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 4: It's always ten thousand times to get it right once, 76 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 4: so we have to practice it sort right. 77 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: And then that's what you guys going through now, right 78 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: cot What has it been like working with obviously you 79 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: got a couple of new guys in the secondary with 80 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: Javon holland with ad Bo. Having those veteran guys that 81 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: have done both. How does that help you? 82 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 4: That has helped tremendously man, And I say that from 83 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 4: you know you and I know both from being a 84 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 4: players player, having played in multiple schemes with these guys 85 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: and you know, me and the Debo talked about it 86 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: all the time. 87 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: That's the first thing. 88 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 4: It's so funny on their free agent when they visited, 89 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 4: that's the first thing that we started talking about the 90 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 4: all right scheme wise, how we doing it? What are 91 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: we doing? What's my responsibilities? What I'm gonna be asked 92 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 4: to do? How detail are we what we need to 93 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 4: get into and where can I start? 94 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: And that's been really cool. 95 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 4: On they've lived in a defense similar you know, both 96 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 4: of them and being having did have different coordinators. That's 97 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 4: been awesome from that perspective, and not the leadership coming 98 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 4: in when I'm in the meeting room and you know 99 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 4: this man when you walk in, like it's like all right, 100 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,840 Speaker 4: I could start talking on the board, but they are like, 101 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 4: all right, so what if this happened? 102 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 3: Right? 103 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 4: Okay, that's just like this one okay, And they can 104 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 4: relate it to something that they've done and had success. 105 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 4: So it's been really cool man to have it. And 106 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 4: this is the part that you don't get all the time. 107 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 4: Is one at corner and one at safety right, that 108 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 4: are vocal. 109 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 1: So you got both categories check. 110 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: Yes. 111 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,239 Speaker 1: So now let's talk about the young bucks. 112 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: Right. 113 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: You got Drew Phillips, you know, and Tyler Newban. What 114 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: is it been like having those guys that are a 115 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: little more impressionable because they're young, but you've also you know, 116 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 1: you kind of got to teach him some new things. 117 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 4: You know what The cool part about it is Nuban 118 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 4: is basically like Javon was when he was younger, so 119 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: he's seen a lot. 120 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 3: I told him when I came here. 121 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: We met previously on the recruiting trail when we all 122 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 4: you know, the draft and when he saw me, he 123 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 4: was like, I came on my interview. 124 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:22,679 Speaker 3: He was like, you hired. 125 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, yeah, we'll see what happens, but 126 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 4: I hope it works out. 127 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: But no, just excited. 128 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: He loves football and just from that standpoint, it matches 129 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 4: with Holland. 130 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 3: And now they sit next to you. 131 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 4: I called him like, hey, these two guys, right, got 132 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 4: the two quarterbacks. 133 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 3: Sitting in the room, and now you know the things 134 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: that he learned in his first year. 135 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 4: You know, in your first year, it's a lot that's 136 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: being thrown at you, and you know he's a cerebral 137 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 4: guy and he understands it. But now the match you 138 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 4: with Holland's experiences, so he doesn't have to live those. 139 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 4: That's been awesome just from ass projective Drew oh Man, 140 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 4: it's just so awesome because he was thrown into the 141 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:00,279 Speaker 4: fire and now he learned a lot of football in 142 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: the first year. But he's still a sponge And that's 143 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 4: the cool part, Like having the debos in the world 144 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 4: that now understanding that you know, this is how I 145 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 4: apply certain techniques at certain times, not to over exert 146 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 4: myself on certain things. 147 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 3: How to make sure that hey listen, a. 148 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 4: Great play happened, I need to move on to the 149 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 4: next A bad play happened. How do I focus on that? 150 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 4: What technique should I be using at this time? And 151 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 4: understanding situational awareness? That's been really cool on watching his development. 152 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 1: Short term memory, right, that's a must. You mentioned techniques, 153 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: so I'm curious, what are some fundamentals that you absolutely 154 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: have to have if you want to be a good 155 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: safety or kin that's safety. 156 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 4: The first thing is you have to have great eye control. 157 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 4: I always tell everybody that the eye control. It's almost 158 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 4: like lineman. You guys got to not just the ball. Yeah, 159 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 4: I got to be able to see everything when it's 160 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 4: the opportunity for me to now be first, I'm the quarterback, 161 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: so I basically have to basically check the formation to 162 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 4: make sure everybody's aligned. Anything that's not uncovered. Tremendous ball skills. 163 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 4: When I say that here it is anything that possibly 164 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: gets on the back end. You gotta have range, but 165 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 4: you got to have ball skills and balls awareness. That's 166 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 4: the other thing that I talk about with safety, the 167 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 4: ability to now now in this new age, not when 168 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: we played it was more of the Robert Griffs of 169 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 4: the world that came Downhill and the cam Chancellors of 170 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: the world. 171 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 3: But now it's more of. 172 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: You have to be able to cover and that's the 173 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 4: other side. You have to be a corner and slash 174 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 4: nickel at safety. So those two things in tackling, like 175 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 4: we forget about it a lot, but that's the really 176 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 4: the biggest part. It gets past the D line. It's 177 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 4: our job to get it down and I always talk 178 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 4: about that. 179 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 3: From that perspective, that corner. What says cat coverage, You 180 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: got to own your cat. But you have to be 181 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 3: you have to be cerebral, you have to understand it. Zone. Man, 182 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 3: where's my matchups? You know too? We have guys that 183 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 3: are capable of playing. 184 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 4: Those, but the technique and discipline that it takes every 185 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 4: day to be that guy because the ball's coming at 186 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 4: you every play. 187 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: You have to have that mentality. 188 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like, you know, the game it's 189 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: much more pass oriented now, so it's that you know, 190 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: that's even more of a premium. 191 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 3: Now than definitely man, definitely, definitely definitely. 192 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: Well listen, man, the Giants are are excited to have you. 193 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: I know, Giants fans can't wait to see you and 194 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: your product out on the field and see your boys bawling. 195 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: We're looking for some takeaways. 196 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: Oh Man, definitely, definitely. 197 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: You know, I'm sure you guys are working on some 198 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: new sellies for all of that. So glad you're here. 199 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 3: Man, Appreciate it. Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. Man, 200 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 3: great talking to Thanks. 201 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: How to get in here? 202 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 5: If you're lined up here, you got to go over 203 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 5: the middle with at the score? 204 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: Right? How do we make that happen? 205 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 5: I don't know, but Citizens does make sense of your 206 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 5: money with Citizens Official Bank of Eli Manning. If you 207 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 5: want to know how to manage two minutes of crunch 208 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 5: time football, I'm your man. But if you're wondering about 209 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 5: a long term financial plan, you should talk to Citizens. 210 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 2: Hey, I can also talk long care. 211 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: I'd like to learn about Emilia routine. 212 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 5: Yes, I knew I could help make sense of your 213 00:08:58,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 5: money with Citizens. 214 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: Showing what up? 215 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: Man, coach bowling? How are we doing doing all right? 216 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 2: How are you doing great? 217 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: So outside linebacker coach right, that's the official title, that 218 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: role that is. I feel like it changes based on 219 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: the down. Right, So sometimes outside linebacker, you know, you 220 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: could be in a two point maybe on third down 221 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: you were at a three point though. Yep, right, So 222 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: how how has that role changed for you as a coach? 223 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 2: You know, it is pretty. 224 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 6: Uh, you know, like we are involved. The great thing 225 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,559 Speaker 6: about it is that position, like you said, is involved 226 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 6: with a lot of different parts of the game, from 227 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 6: rushing the passer to setting edges to dropping in coverage. 228 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 6: You can align on the ball, you can align off 229 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 6: the ball. So you know, I've just kind of tried 230 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 6: in my career to take it all in. I've had 231 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:50,079 Speaker 6: experience as an assistant, you know, my earlier days when 232 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 6: I was assisting with the D line, assisting with the 233 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:56,439 Speaker 6: inside backers. So yeah, I feel pretty good, and I'm 234 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 6: fortunate to have had some good training along the way, 235 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 6: and now you know my role as the outside backer 236 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 6: coach where I'm involved in both you know, coaching the 237 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 6: guys on on all those different parts of the game. 238 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 6: The evolution has kind of been natural, you know, and 239 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 6: it's been it's been good. And I've been around good 240 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 6: players and coaches and you know, appreciate the experience along 241 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 6: the way, and you know, here here we are. 242 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: Well the experience along the way. I mean, this has 243 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: been an exciting off season for Giants fans, and but 244 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: for you in particular. I mean, when you get a 245 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: guy like Abduall Carter and it's kind of gift wrap 246 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: for you, all right, and now you got this shiny 247 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: new toy you get to go play with. I just 248 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: want to go and kind of go back to the 249 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: start of that, like where were you in that whole 250 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: process and at what point were you sold on? You know, 251 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 1: Abdul Carter is a guy that we got to have. 252 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: There was a there was a it was early on 253 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: in the earlier than normal in the process. 254 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: Uh. 255 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 6: Joe Shane actually texted me have you seen Abdul Carter yet? 256 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 2: And I hadn't, you know, on. 257 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 6: Our typical uh off season timeline, we really weren't in 258 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 6: the College of valuations yet, you know. But I think 259 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 6: just given where we picked and the caliber player that 260 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 6: Abduel was, Joe just wanted to kind of throw a 261 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 6: shot out there to see if I watched. 262 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: Him, and I didn't. 263 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 6: And that day, I mean this is in January, that 264 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 6: day I did watch him, and within two plays, I 265 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 6: was just wild by the ability and my answer was 266 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 6: an immediate yes, I'm in. 267 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 2: So that was that was an easy one. To tell 268 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: based on the film. 269 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 6: You know, we had to do our work in terms 270 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 6: of like getting a feel for the person and and 271 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 6: and the learning and all that, which which obviously checked out. 272 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 6: But I mean it's when you watch his tape and 273 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 6: watch him play as a player, like it's it's completely 274 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 6: obvious that he's just an incredible player, you know. 275 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: And the one thing I've. 276 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 6: Told the people in the building and then you know, 277 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 6: even a duel as we started working together, is just 278 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 6: you know, before you even get into the skill involved 279 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 6: with him, which he has a lot of his natural 280 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 6: ability to finish as a player and to finish as 281 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 6: a rusher is really a big time separator for him 282 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 6: and something he just has. And you know, the great 283 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 6: ones I've been around have have had that, you know, 284 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 6: and he has it right now. 285 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 5: You know. 286 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,800 Speaker 1: It was a little different process too during that phase 287 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: because he couldn't work out right, so he couldn't see 288 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: him at the combine. You couldn't go to a pro 289 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: day and watch him actually move. So the first time 290 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,319 Speaker 1: you probably saw him live at action was here of practice. 291 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: Yep. 292 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: Did everything transfer? 293 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 2: Oh yeah? 294 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 6: And it really you know, drills are one thing, you know, 295 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 6: seeing people moving and around bags that can look a 296 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 6: certain way, and it was pretty and it was awesome. 297 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 6: But watching him in OTAs in eleven on eleven reps 298 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 6: playing football was when the biggest wild moment happened for me, 299 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 6: you know. 300 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: So, no, it's been great. It's been great to watch 301 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 2: him from day one. 302 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 1: Well, that's great, and you throw him into the mix now. 303 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: You know, we were talking last year about the addition 304 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: of Brian Burns and what that was going to do 305 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: to that group and and you know with with TIBs 306 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: on the other side too, you know, how does bringing 307 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: a young guy into the group, how does that make 308 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: them better? And vice versa. 309 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 6: I think young or old that just if you have 310 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 6: good players, that helps everybody, you know, and that's what 311 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 6: a duel is. He's a good player and again part 312 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 6: of just his natural feel for the game is what 313 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 6: makes him who he is. So while he's learning pro 314 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 6: technique and pro scheme and all those types of things, 315 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 6: and that'll take some time. 316 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 2: There was a process involved with that, but he's. 317 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 6: Already a good player, you know, and that that will 318 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 6: help everybody around him. Burns helped compare, you know, complimenting 319 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 6: or pairing Burns and TIBs together. 320 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: Help you got decks out there. 321 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 6: We had we had a great group last year, you know, 322 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 6: and so now you add another guy to that mix, 323 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 6: and it only amplifies everybody. 324 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, you got to be salivating when 325 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: it's when it's third down. You got to be salivating 326 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: when it's third day. Got to be salivating when it's 327 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: third down. And now it's like, all right, I get 328 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: all these guys on the field. This we found, this 329 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: is gonna be great. 330 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: Oh, there's no doubt. 331 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 6: It's fun as a coach to envision all the ways 332 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 6: we can deploy these guys. 333 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: You know. 334 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 6: It's also we got to be careful as coaches and 335 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 6: not do too much, you know, at the end of 336 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 6: the day. 337 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: Uh, you know, it's got to be efficient form. 338 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 6: The package has to be tight enough to where they 339 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 6: all can play fast. But no, I mean it's we 340 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 6: have that many good players and that many good rushers. 341 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 6: There's a lot of options. And we've we've we've had 342 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 6: a good time as coaches, you know, putting our best 343 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 6: thoughts together, and then even you know, the players going 344 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 6: out there and doing it, being the ones out there 345 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 6: doing it together. They've they've had success, and they've been 346 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 6: working well together. Their communication level is in a good 347 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 6: place right now. They've had to develop it. They'll have 348 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 6: to continue to develop it, but you know, in the 349 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 6: early stages of it, it's been it's been fun for everybody. 350 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: When you were looking back at Abdul Carter and you 351 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: kind of went back and watched him play linebacker, right 352 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: because he didn't really play defensive until his lifelast year. 353 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, when you. 354 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: Get a guy like that, like, does that almost kind 355 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: of make him more athletic the fact that he was 356 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: playing in space, Yes, before he went down on the 357 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: defensive line. 358 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 6: Yes, he has the he has the skills, temperament and 359 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 6: trades to play outside backer right now. But if a 360 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 6: player that can play on the edge has off the 361 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 6: ball training, it only expands their world. It gives him 362 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 6: a whole other level of understanding, a whole nother level 363 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 6: of skill set, you know, and he has that. I 364 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 6: had Hassan Reddick in Arizona and he was the same way, 365 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 6: played on the edge in college, played off the ball 366 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 6: at Arizona. Actually we moved them, you know, back to 367 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 6: the edge and his requisite training off the ball, then 368 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 6: putting them back on the ball helped him immensely, you know, 369 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 6: and that's kind of you know, they're both Philly area, 370 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 6: naturally born and raised, Hassan and Abdul, and I do 371 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 6: see some similarities there. But but yeah, in terms of 372 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 6: him playing off the ball and then now playing on 373 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 6: the edge completely helps him and completely gives Hi another 374 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 6: skill set which in turn, like you said, makes the 375 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 6: athleticism come to life even more. 376 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: There's no doubt. 377 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I'm sure you told him part of the 378 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: reason why we brought him here is to be Philly. 379 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: That's right, there we go. 380 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 2: That's right. There's no doubt. He's all in now, he's 381 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 2: New York all the ways. 382 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt about it. Well, thanks so much for 383 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: the time, man. Looking forward to seeing you guys on leash, 384 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 1: hell on the rest of the division and all these quarterbacks. 385 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to watch. 386 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: Absolutely same here. 387 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 3: Thanks. 388 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: I appreciate your brother. Yeah, no doubt.