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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is the one and

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Speaker 1: only West Hodkowits were coming to here from our studios

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Speaker 1: at lambeau Field and West A lot to digest here

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Speaker 1: on today's show, because just before coming in here and

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Speaker 1: turning on the cameras, we heard from head coach Mike

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Speaker 1: McCarthy in his season ending news conference. It lasted I

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Speaker 1: believe roughly thirty three minutes. Okay, that's uh. I've been

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Speaker 1: here for all of McCarthy's coaching career and I can

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Speaker 1: tell you that that is the longest season ending news

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Speaker 1: conference he's ever had. It's a reflection, obviously, of all

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Speaker 1: the change that's going on here at twelve sixty five

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Speaker 1: Lombardi Avenue. UM, but an interesting, an interesting day in

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Speaker 1: the lambeau Field oud ofitur. It certainly is Mike. I

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Speaker 1: think last year McCarthy's final news conference, now mindy, there

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Speaker 1: was basically no coaching changes that happened after last season

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Speaker 1: was about twenty three minutes, nineteen minutes of questions from

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Speaker 1: what I gathered. UH, this year, he had a very

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Speaker 1: short intro, A lot of it were questions. Some of

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Speaker 1: the things that came out of that, Beginning with Dom

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Speaker 1: Caper's no longer the defensive coordinator. Scott McCurley and Mike Turkovac,

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Speaker 1: the assistant linebackers coach in defensive line coach, respectively, both

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Speaker 1: also have been parting ways at the organization. On the

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Speaker 1: offensive side, Edgar Bennett situation still fluid, but the offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator position is going to look different. Alex Van pel

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Speaker 1: choosing to let his contract run out now a free

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Speaker 1: agent so he won't be back as the quarterbacks coach,

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Speaker 1: and then also Tim McGarrigle, who was the defensive quality

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Speaker 1: during my time on the beat, how this line's up,

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Speaker 1: Mike the most changes other than you know, maybe the

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Speaker 1: shuffling that they did in two thousand and fourteen, A

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Speaker 1: lot of that was promotions, though it wasn't so much

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Speaker 1: guys being you know, parting ways with the team. So

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Speaker 1: very interested to see how the situation plays out now,

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Speaker 1: but definitely offensive defensive coordinator positions are going to look

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Speaker 1: different in two yeah, and certainly the biggest coaching shakeup

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Speaker 1: since uh the the after the Packers last non playoff

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Speaker 1: season in two thousand and eight, when the entire defensive

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Speaker 1: coaching staff really except for one or two individuals, was replaced.

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Speaker 1: And unlike that time nine years ago, I guess if

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Speaker 1: I'm doing my math right, um, this time Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: he really wanted to switch from that four three to

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Speaker 1: early two thousand nine. This time he's not talking about,

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Speaker 1: about finding the right defensive coordinator that is is going

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Speaker 1: to have the same vision for the type of defense

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Speaker 1: wants to play, the xs and ohs. The schematic part

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Speaker 1: of it is secondary in a sense. And he did

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Speaker 1: mention three internal candidates for the job, associated head coach

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Speaker 1: But he will also interview some external candidates for for

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. This is going to be a very interesting

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Speaker 1: decision for Mike McCarthy. The first thing I want to

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Speaker 1: you and I get the question all the time, well,

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Speaker 1: final locker room as well, people, and it isn't any

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to single anybody out. We need to

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Speaker 1: stop focusing so much on that. And it's not just

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Speaker 1: and even at that mike, if you watch the Packers

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Speaker 1: very closely this past season, they had a three four

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Speaker 1: if you're going even strength, you have four pass rushers

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Speaker 1: going after the quarterback. Doesn't matter what your basic philosophy is,

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Speaker 1: that's the one takeaway I really got from McCarthy looking

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Speaker 1: at the vision for two thousand eighteen. With the defense,

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Speaker 1: But it's how do the other pieces independent of that

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Speaker 1: so that coordinator spot is really the guy that's going

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Speaker 1: all these pieces are gonna align with that vision of

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Speaker 1: what McCarthy wants his team to be going forward. And

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Speaker 1: he said he doesn't have a timeline necessarily for when

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Speaker 1: we've seen in the past, you know, it takes it

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Speaker 1: more to talk about from coach McCarthy. Season ending news

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair,

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Speaker 1: Wes Hodkowits and that one. And what's another topic that

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Speaker 1: a lot on previous shows this week, McCarthy said he's

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Speaker 1: seeing his career as a coach really flourished under Thompson's watch. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and make no mistake about it, Mike McCarthy confirmed, as

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Speaker 1: He wants to stay here. He's just acknowledging the reality

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Speaker 1: that these types of moves, you know, they could happen

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Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packers really are an anomaly in the

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Speaker 1: because you can look at lengthy coaching tenures in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: There are some examples of it. There's lengthy general manager

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