Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Getty, arm Strong and Getty.
Speaker 2: And He.
Speaker 1: Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 3: So the Grammys were last night and Beyonce one Album
Speaker 3: of the Year for her country album. This is the
Speaker 3: only song I'd heard from it. We played this back
Speaker 3: when it came out.
Speaker 1: I spent some time.
Speaker 3: Listening to the album last night, way way, way more
Speaker 3: artsy than I was expecting. It's like a what do
Speaker 3: you call it when you got a theme through a
Speaker 3: whole album?
Speaker 1: Concept album? Concept album? Yeah, concept album with a lot
Speaker 1: of giant, famous country.
Speaker 3: Stars and that sort of stuff. I'm and okay, album
Speaker 3: of the year whatever, whatever that means. You know, the
Speaker 3: calling something the best art is weird to start with, fine,
Speaker 3: but best country album.
Speaker 1: I just I find that interesting. Okay.
Speaker 2: It was absolutely a clear example the Grammys do this,
Speaker 2: the Oscars do this, that somebody got snubbed or passed
Speaker 2: over in the past, and they're a super giant star,
Speaker 2: and you think, all right, let's give him a like
Speaker 2: a Beck got Album of the Year for an album
Speaker 2: I listened to twice and said, I'm never listening to this.
Speaker 1: That's interesting.
Speaker 3: I listened to it still. I listened to the other day.
Speaker 3: I loved that album. Yeah, I just didn't scratch you
Speaker 3: were I.
Speaker 2: But it's fairly rare that people think that's better than like,
Speaker 2: oh Delay or what was the second one that was
Speaker 2: so great?
Speaker 1: But anyway, they it's like a career.
Speaker 2: We should have given you something before thinks, hey, she's
Speaker 2: a great star and singer whatever. I don't know, like
Speaker 2: you say words for kind of eh. If Noah what's
Speaker 2: his name hadn't been the host, it had been easier
Speaker 2: for me to watch.
Speaker 1: God dang it, that guy rubs me the wrong way.
Speaker 1: I find him so grating.
Speaker 3: Well, he's not funny and then his political jokes. Just
Speaker 3: shut up, dude, Why why?
Speaker 1: Who likes him? Right? Like kimmels him? But he's funny.
Speaker 3: Taylor chefs I thought Taylor Swift though clinking glasses with
Speaker 3: jay Z when Beyonce won Best Album like looking genuinely
Speaker 3: happy for her. I think that's part of the hole.
Speaker 3: It's like the way Elon Musk's happy. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: so rich and so successful, you can't get under my skin.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do something you think I care
Speaker 3: whatever good for you, have a good time, have a
Speaker 3: nice night, enjoy your life.
Speaker 2: I don't care, right, what are you gonna do if
Speaker 2: I had her money at burn mine?
Speaker 3: Exactly as they say, here's what's going on with the
Speaker 3: whole tariff thing. If you haven't been paying attention, This
Speaker 3: is at o'keef on CBS News.
Speaker 4: So starting Tuesday, there will be twenty five percent tariffs
Speaker 4: on all Mexican exports, twenty five percent tariffs on most
Speaker 4: Canadian exports, ten percent tariffs on Canadian energy exports, and
Speaker 4: ten percent tariffs on all goods from China. This morning,
Speaker 4: the President acknowledged this could lead to higher prices, writing
Speaker 4: will there be some pain? Yes, maybe and maybe not,
Speaker 4: he wrote on his social media platform, but we will
Speaker 4: make America a great again, and it will all be
Speaker 4: worth the price that must be paid.
Speaker 1: This is not my lane.
Speaker 3: Tariff talking economics, but a couple questions I have just
Speaker 3: from observing this. First of all, I remember when Trump
Speaker 3: put tariffs on China the first time around first term,
Speaker 3: and a lot of the hewing and crying of how
Speaker 3: dom and awful this was from mainstream media. And then
Speaker 3: the Biden administration came in and left them in place,
Speaker 3: didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I have no problem with with the China tariffs.
Speaker 2: It's an untenable, ugly relationship with a bitter adversary. On
Speaker 2: the other hand, Mexico and Canada are not our bitter adversaries.
Speaker 2: There close allies and huge trading partners. It just I'm
Speaker 2: gonna hit you with anvila headlines. Then we'll go from there.
Speaker 2: The dumbest Oh wait a minute, there is the dumbest
Speaker 2: trade war. Fallout begins the dumbest trade war in history.
Speaker 2: Tump Trump tariff's Americans will pay a severe price if
Speaker 2: they remain in effect too long. Trump's move to put
Speaker 2: tariff hikes ahead of tax Putts's cuts have spooke to
Speaker 2: almost everyone.
Speaker 1: Mexico and Canada fireback.
Speaker 2: Those are all from conservative media, by the way, business
Speaker 2: friendly conservative media. So there's there's a great deal of
Speaker 2: angst over these tariffs and whether they're the right move.
Speaker 2: I think the if I were to boil down the
Speaker 2: main objection among Trump friendly tending to be Trump friendly media,
Speaker 2: it's that the tariffs and what they're claiming to be
Speaker 2: accomplishing are just disconnected. We're gonna stop the illegal immigration
Speaker 2: and drugs by punishing our neighbors with tariffs until they comply.
Speaker 2: You know that it might work eventually, I suppose, but
Speaker 2: it's gonna just hurt consumers in the meantime. It's gonna
Speaker 2: staunch growth and raise inflation almost certainly.
Speaker 3: Does this make pretty boy Trudeau unhappy? Because if it
Speaker 3: makes him unhappy, it makes me happy. Huh that's a
Speaker 3: good standard, right. They find him annoying.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's terribly annoying. I had one pushback on that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely willing to get to Uh.
Speaker 2: Robert Leitthheiser, who's been defending Trump policies lately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's mostly around China, which, as you were saying,
Speaker 3: it's a lot more easily defended because we are in
Speaker 3: a war for control of the earth with China. Okay,
Speaker 3: here's the thing about Trump. Okay, go ahead. CEO of
Speaker 3: Canada's second biggest company defends Trump's tariff demands, slams Trudeau
Speaker 3: for not stopping the trade war. This is the guy
Speaker 3: who runs Shopify, which is a very big company you
Speaker 3: might be familiar with. These are things that every Canadian
Speaker 3: wants its government to do. These are not crazy demands,
Speaker 3: even if they come from an unpopular source, said Toby
Speaker 3: lock Letkey, who co founded Shopify. So uh, it's not
Speaker 3: all why are you doing this to us.
Speaker 1: Up in Canada? Just one point.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't understand his point. But when he
Speaker 2: gave the guy from Shopify is in favor of it,
Speaker 2: What was I going to say?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: The thing about Trump, the way he's always done business.
Speaker 3: When he's in business.
Speaker 1: He walks up and grabs you by the pward. Oh boy,
Speaker 1: I don't even have one.
Speaker 2: No, he will at any point he decides say no,
Speaker 2: our deal is no longer on, we need to renegotiate it.
Speaker 2: And he constantly beats up his suppliers and his contractors
Speaker 2: and business partners and the rest of it. But it's
Speaker 2: still profitable enough people do business with him because generally,
Speaker 2: you know, with a bad run, as the exception at
Speaker 2: Atlantic City, it ends up being profitable for everybody.
Speaker 1: But he's a brutal, brutal negotiator.
Speaker 2: The problem is doing this with allies and international relations
Speaker 2: is it's not like your local plumbers union.
Speaker 3: But man if He's got a theme throughout his adult
Speaker 3: life whenever he would talk politics, it was about other
Speaker 3: countries are taking advantage of us, and why do we
Speaker 3: let this happen? I mean, he's been talking about this
Speaker 3: for decades before he ever decided to run for president.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well in a lot of cases.
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's this guy, Robert Leethhauser, who's been around Republican
Speaker 3: economics politics going way back to Reagan. He was on
Speaker 3: Sixty Minutes last night specifically defending well tariffs in general,
Speaker 3: but specifically around China. Here's him explaining what a threat
Speaker 3: China is to the United States.
Speaker 6: China, to me, is an existential threat to the United States.
Speaker 6: It is a very, very competent adversary. China views itself
Speaker 6: as number one in the world and wants to be
Speaker 6: that way. They view us as in the way they
Speaker 6: have the biggest army in the world and they're growing it,
Speaker 6: the biggest navy in the world, and they're growing it.
Speaker 6: They're spying on us, they're taking our technology. They've been
Speaker 6: waging an economic war against the United States and winning
Speaker 6: that war for at least the last three decades.
Speaker 3: And nobody was saying that out loud before Trump came along,
Speaker 3: even though it has been going on for a long time.
Speaker 3: So he's in favor of decoupling in every way from China,
Speaker 3: and he explains that, So your tariff regime for China
Speaker 3: would be what.
Speaker 6: I believe in strategic decoupling. I'm not saying no economic
Speaker 6: relationship with Sean That's not my position at all. I
Speaker 6: think you want balance trade, and how do you get
Speaker 6: balance trade. You're going to get balance trade by having
Speaker 6: large tariffs on most of what they send us.
Speaker 1: What's large?
Speaker 6: You know the President has floated numbers fifty sixty percent,
Speaker 6: but I think there are big numbers like that.
Speaker 3: Wow, those are big numbers. And then one more explanation
Speaker 3: of that we can discuss.
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, you're talking about decoupling from China, what
Speaker 6: would that look like? So it is strategic decoupling, so
Speaker 6: we would still have trade.
Speaker 1: So I would say, we sell.
Speaker 6: You one hundred and fifty billion, we buy one hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty billion from you.
Speaker 4: No more.
Speaker 6: We don't allow investments in China except in circumstances where
Speaker 6: we believe that's in the interest of the United States.
Speaker 6: We don't allow inbound investments. So we begin to disentangle.
Speaker 6: We disentangle our technology. You could ask yourself, what is
Speaker 6: China's policy towards us. It is exactly a mere image
Speaker 6: of what I just said. So what I'm suggesting we
Speaker 6: do to China is what they.
Speaker 1: Do to us. That made an impact on me.
Speaker 3: They've been doing this forever, but we were, well, we've
Speaker 3: talked about this a lot. We had this fanciful belief
Speaker 3: going all the way back to Nixon and through every
Speaker 3: president up until Trump, that it's okay, we're taking a hit,
Speaker 3: but the good thing is they're going to be a
Speaker 3: giant economic powerhouse and they're going to be part of
Speaker 3: friends with us. And they were, you know, laughing behind
Speaker 3: our backs the whole time, saying, yeah, make us powerful,
Speaker 3: then we're going to take over the world and do
Speaker 3: whatever the hell we want.
Speaker 2: And just purely economically speaking, even though the deal was
Speaker 2: tilted strongly in their favor, we were still it was
Speaker 2: still good for the economy in general, not so much
Speaker 2: for manufacturers when we're going to talk about that China
Speaker 2: shock a little bit later. But you know, overall, it
Speaker 2: was fine to give them a better deal than we
Speaker 2: were getting because they're still making more money. But again,
Speaker 2: my objection to this, and here it is, it's not
Speaker 2: like I walk around, you know, barking at people about
Speaker 2: tariff policy all the time.
Speaker 1: He got Joe get ready to hear tariff talk.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, budget, yeah, I'm finishing up a concept
Speaker 2: album all about tariffs. I'm working with Beyonce. Anyway, that's
Speaker 2: that's not it. I mean, I actually have beliefs about it,
Speaker 2: but I don't feel that strongly about it. Here's what
Speaker 2: I feel strongly about. I believe, barring some sort of
Speaker 2: hard turn, and Trump might make one because he is
Speaker 2: a fan of the giant gesture that gets the small concession,
Speaker 2: he declares victory and then calls off the dogs. If
Speaker 2: that's the plan, Okay, that's Trump being Trump.
Speaker 1: Let's see how it goes.
Speaker 2: But if he goes ahead with the tariffs, especially with
Speaker 2: Canada and Mexico, I think that is going to have
Speaker 2: a serious, serious consequence for American consumers. Their lives are
Speaker 2: going to get significantly more expensive. They're going to see
Speaker 2: industries hurt, American industries hurt. And taking Trump at his
Speaker 2: word now on the idea of some sort of long
Speaker 2: term on shoring of all sorts of other things like
Speaker 2: energy and timber and such, that would take a very
Speaker 2: very long time.
Speaker 1: And here's my other problem with it.
Speaker 2: They would take such massive investments that a company's not
Speaker 2: going to make them because Trump's just going to be
Speaker 2: in power for another you know, three years and eleven
Speaker 2: months or whatever it is. So I just I don't
Speaker 2: think that's going to happen in the way he's talking about.
Speaker 2: And here's my main objection to it. It's going to
Speaker 2: screw American consumers and make people mad, which will undermine
Speaker 2: Conservatism's ability to do a bunch of other things that
Speaker 2: we could do, especially if we held onto the House
Speaker 2: and Senate.
Speaker 1: That's my problem.
Speaker 2: I think it's a misstep that could undermine all the
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 1: What we'll we'll see.
Speaker 3: So Joe's soft on Canada, all right, the Northern Menace.
Speaker 3: Have you heard any of the reports where they try
Speaker 3: to tie it into Super Bowl weekend? Avocados come from Mexico,
Speaker 3: the number one beer in America Medello. People also being
Speaker 3: bought to lots of I don't forget what they said
Speaker 3: from Canada. People are going to notice it at their
Speaker 3: Super Bowl parties. It seems a little fast, but maybe yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: prices have already risen in some sectors.
Speaker 2: But that that ship like once a week and that
Speaker 2: sort of thing I mean, if you send car parts
Speaker 2: ones every six months, you're not going to see it,
Speaker 2: but food will immediately. And I do love beer in avocados.
Speaker 2: That's hitting me where a hurt.
Speaker 1: You Just like the munch on an avocado washing it
Speaker 1: out to a beer and I eat the peel because
Speaker 1: that's where all the nutrition is. I believe in it.
Speaker 1: I have to choke it down. Fantastic. Well, it's going
Speaker 1: to be uh.
Speaker 3: You know, people been arguing about the whole Tariff's thing
Speaker 3: for my whole adult life of watching politics, and I've
Speaker 3: been rolling my eyes and turning the page to the
Speaker 3: next door because I wasn't interested. Now we get to
Speaker 3: watch it play out and see what happens, and we'll
Speaker 3: have some real world data on how it works, like
Speaker 3: really really very stark real world data.
Speaker 2: I need to find the other thing. And this is
Speaker 2: not about Trump, because he's just using a tool everybody
Speaker 2: else has been using.
Speaker 1: Where is it? I'll find it.
Speaker 2: But the United States of America is under I think
Speaker 2: the number is currently thirty one different states of emergency
Speaker 2: to give the oh no, I'm sorry here it is.
Speaker 2: The International Emergency Economics Power Act was passed in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy seven to give the president extraordinarily way to deal
Speaker 2: with any unusual and extraordinary threat from a foreign country,
Speaker 2: including with tariffs. That's fine and dandy, but the situation
Speaker 2: we're in right now is absurd.
Speaker 1: We need to take a break. We'll tell you about
Speaker 1: it in a minute.
Speaker 3: From nineteen seventy seven International Emergency Economic Powers Act. All Right,
Speaker 3: got some tips on blue light keeping you awake at
Speaker 3: night looking at your phone that I think will be
Speaker 3: news You can use stay tuned.
Speaker 1: On the whole sleep thing.
Speaker 3: Looking at your devices before you go to bed or
Speaker 3: in bed. Some people have had tremendous success with the
Speaker 3: blue light glasses. Some people said they did nothing, So
Speaker 3: your mileage, Mayberry, I might try it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So back to the Trump tariffs, just for a moment
Speaker 2: or two. The National Review editorial boards making the point
Speaker 2: that no president should have the power to make such
Speaker 2: a major change to tax and trade law unilaterally.
Speaker 3: It does seem like an awful lot of power on
Speaker 3: one person's hand, because the tariff is attacks that the
Speaker 3: consumer pays almost entirely. There's just no other way to
Speaker 3: slice it anyway. China is set out entirely, and Canada
Speaker 3: is gonna pay it, and Mexo is gonna pay it.
Speaker 2: No, they're not China, and China needs to be set apart.
Speaker 2: It's a different case, but it's not entirely clear that
Speaker 2: the president does. The International Emergency Economic Powers Act, passed
Speaker 2: in seventy seven, gave the president an extraordinarily way to
Speaker 2: deal with any unusual and extraordinary threat from a foreign
Speaker 2: country after a national emergency declaration. It's likely why the
Speaker 2: President has raised illegal drugs and immigration as justification for
Speaker 2: the tariffs. His national emergency declarations on these two subjects
Speaker 2: especially helped to unlock the powers of this law, which
Speaker 2: are sweeping. But they point out, and this cuts across
Speaker 2: many administrations, this is still a preposterous way to govern,
Speaker 2: as there are currently over forty national emergencies. In effect,
Speaker 2: you feel like now you feel like we have forty
Speaker 2: national emergencies going on? It doesn't feel that way. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you good people. Do you feel like we're in a
Speaker 2: national emergency? Forty topics?
Speaker 1: Deep?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's some crazy stuff going on immigration for
Speaker 2: one thing, but forty and using those emergencies quote unquote
Speaker 2: as a fig leaf to impose tariffs on all goods in
Speaker 2: contradiction to an existing trade agreement with our allies is
Speaker 2: clearly contrary to congressional intent. So there's that question about
Speaker 2: and then they go into how it's going to hurt
Speaker 2: autoworkers and agriculture and all sorts of sectors that are
Speaker 2: huge in red states. So we don't know how it's
Speaker 2: going to play out for the next week, much less
Speaker 2: the next couple of months, but whatever happens, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, we got a couple of texts about this. I
Speaker 3: thought we're interesting. Somebody making the point that what Trump's
Speaker 3: hoping for is the same result he got.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just read it.
Speaker 3: He's planning on the one hour turnaround like happened with Columbia.
Speaker 3: Maybe this will be a week instead of an hour,
Speaker 3: but that's what he's hoping for you, and I assume
Speaker 3: that is it too.
Speaker 1: He's not thinking about by next year gas will be No,
Speaker 1: he's thinking this will be over in a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: They'll they'll cave and then we'll get right we want.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he may and that may be successful. I
Speaker 2: think he's a little too brutal sometimes with our friends.
Speaker 2: I mean, because like Trudeau's a weasel. But Poliev, who
Speaker 2: I love, the conservative guy who's probably going to be
Speaker 2: the Prime minister in Canada.
Speaker 3: He's super pissed off about this too. There's this point
Speaker 3: of view, which you already mentioned. I'm afraid that Trump's
Speaker 3: trade policies will do to the conservative movement what Dei
Speaker 3: and Trans did to the Democrats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say. I hope not.
Speaker 1: I hope we'll see.
Speaker 2: I have a feeling it's a big nasty bluff, mostly hope.
Speaker 1: So, but again, not China. China's totally different. If you
Speaker 1: miss a segment of the podcast Armstrong and Getty on
Speaker 1: demand Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 5: In just one week until Super Bowl fifty nine, the
Speaker 5: Chiefs and the Eagles headed out to New Orleans. Security
Speaker 5: is extra tight there. Hundreds of federal, state and local
Speaker 5: officers on duty. Barricades have gone up with drones overhead,
Speaker 5: as comes after the New Year's truck attack that killed
Speaker 5: more than a dozen people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll bet, but I think security is always pretty
Speaker 3: damn high at a Super Bowl. So yeah, New Orleans
Speaker 3: belatedly so installing some things they've been told to over
Speaker 3: and over again. I'm not saying we shouldn't do this
Speaker 3: all the time. But so far, has there ever been
Speaker 3: a terrorist attack on a big, well known thing like
Speaker 3: that that we see coming.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so that.
Speaker 3: I can think of inauguration of Super Bowl whatever. No, No,
Speaker 3: they shows up randomly out of nowhere at the beginning
Speaker 3: of the Boston Marathon on a Tuesday, or an airline
Speaker 3: flight on a regular you know, day of the week
Speaker 3: in September, that sort of thing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, or Loane more on halfwoot angry jackasses, which
Speaker 2: is the fast majority of the attacks, who don't have
Speaker 2: the capacity to pull off something big. Although wasn't there
Speaker 2: There are a couple of guys who got a job
Speaker 2: in security.
Speaker 1: For the Super Bowl. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3: Last year they had gotten jobs in security and luckily
Speaker 3: we're caught. Maybe we just catch all of them. Maybe
Speaker 3: that's it.
Speaker 1: Good thing they're stupid and the FBI is working hard.
Speaker 1: My son is trying out for the volleyball team this evening. Cool,
Speaker 1: this is new just a friend of his.
Speaker 3: He said, he got peer pressured into it by a
Speaker 3: friend of his. He knows nothing about volleyball. I was
Speaker 3: asking my that you need to read or watch YouTube videos.
Speaker 3: You're not going to show up to the volleyball tryout
Speaker 3: not having the slightest idea how they score it, or
Speaker 3: you know, just even the most basic parts of the game.
Speaker 3: You got to show up with some knowledge because he
Speaker 3: had zero, Like, you know, how many points you play too,
Speaker 3: how many people on a team?
Speaker 1: You know, any of the most basic how to do
Speaker 1: any of that stuffing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean have just some of the most basic knowledge,
Speaker 3: all right? Have you trying to make a point to
Speaker 3: his friend? It is pressuring him. Yeah, I'll show up.
Speaker 3: He didn't want me to buy him some special volleyball
Speaker 3: shoes because he's really into shoes. I said, you make
Speaker 3: the team.
Speaker 2: I'll buy some special volleyball shoes. Wow, huh, we'll see
Speaker 2: I betll it. At the other end of the spectrum, Jack,
Speaker 2: you have aging. There's currently a fight among scientists and
Speaker 2: people want to sell you stuff.
Speaker 1: Over whether aging is a disease.
Speaker 2: A small but growing movement of scientists want a class
Speaker 2: if by aging.
Speaker 3: As a disease, Okay, it probably has all kinds of
Speaker 3: financial implications, government funding implications, that sort of thing, I
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and advertising as well, trying to convince people that
Speaker 2: if you declare it a disease. And we're kind of
Speaker 2: skipping to the end here, but if you declare it
Speaker 2: a disease, you can convince people that it can be cure.
Speaker 1: I'm not an empty theologist.
Speaker 3: I was planning to be an epidemiologist, but I overslept
Speaker 3: one morning and it fell apart.
Speaker 2: But it's too busy at my volleyball practices to get
Speaker 2: my study.
Speaker 3: I suppose there are some ways that you can classify
Speaker 3: what happens to cells or something like that as a disease.
Speaker 3: But aging happens to everybody. All their diseases out there
Speaker 3: don't happen to everyone. That seems like a big difference
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: Right, it's a major driver of valsentness and death, they say,
Speaker 2: these scientists, and classifying.
Speaker 3: Your aging is a major contributor to death, You're absolutely.
Speaker 1: Right, one of the top ones.
Speaker 2: Yes, And that could make it easier to get drugs
Speaker 2: approved to treat aging itself rather than just age related
Speaker 2: health problem.
Speaker 3: I do think it's damned interesting the idea that, and
Speaker 3: I don't know why this couldn't happen, that they can't
Speaker 3: do some sort of gene manipulation something or other where
Speaker 3: genes stop getting older. They're not exactly sure why that
Speaker 3: needs to happen, right, you know, because all your your
Speaker 3: cells rather genes, but your cells. There's why Why are
Speaker 3: the cells that are dying out? You got gazillions of
Speaker 3: cells dyeing every year and being replaced by different stelfs.
Speaker 3: Why do they have to get older? Why can't they
Speaker 3: just be the same? The problem being, of course, at
Speaker 3: what point do you start that? I want to start
Speaker 3: that as as a two year old? And this is
Speaker 3: this is rare. Why don't we take at least one
Speaker 3: phone call. Let's see on the screen that says, God
Speaker 3: Almighty's on the line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for bringing this up. Here's the story. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't want to be immortal, all right? Trust me,
Speaker 2: I've kind of planned the whole thing out, so don't
Speaker 2: go messing with it, all right, love your show, longtime listener,
Speaker 2: First time call it click.
Speaker 1: I'll take my answer off the air. Yeah, worry.
Speaker 2: Calling aging a disease could lead to financial exploitation by
Speaker 2: the anti aging industry, capitalizing on quick fixes to cure aging.
Speaker 2: For instance, there's this one therapist who said I can
Speaker 2: have an eighty year old who can still ski dance
Speaker 2: or run a marathon, and I can have a forty
Speaker 2: year old who doesn't move much and can't do any
Speaker 2: of that age, the number is not at all an
Speaker 2: indicator of anything.
Speaker 3: Well, that's very true, and I know people like that myself.
Speaker 3: Do I have to ask to a weak ass argument?
Speaker 2: I mean, that's I'm sorry, just on a logical that
Speaker 2: bothers me from a perspective of logic, because that's the
Speaker 2: exact same argument that, well, there are some men who
Speaker 2: could be beat by some women in sports, therefore transgender
Speaker 2: people in sports is fine.
Speaker 3: But I just want to nail this down. Just because
Speaker 3: I can dance when I'm mighty, do I have to?
Speaker 3: Or is it still optional unless this chick.
Speaker 1: Makes you so.
Speaker 3: The other day, I'm at I'm at the Jim the
Speaker 3: club thing where I go to a lift weight, and
Speaker 3: there's some peopeople playing tennis, and they were noticeably on
Speaker 3: the older end of people playing tennis, like quite a
Speaker 3: bit older than you generally see out in the tennis court.
Speaker 1: They looked like old.
Speaker 3: Men, kind of fat upper bodies, skinny little white legs
Speaker 3: with their white socks pulled up.
Speaker 1: I mean, they looked like old men. But and I
Speaker 1: just watched for a little bit.
Speaker 3: I thought one of those going to look like and man,
Speaker 3: they were whipping that ball around. I thought they would
Speaker 3: just crush me. I mean, I've never been really a
Speaker 3: tennis player, but I am a lot younger than these people.
Speaker 3: That turned out they would just crush me, and I thought, wow,
Speaker 3: that's interesting. So I got down lifting weights at the
Speaker 3: same time that they quit. And I don't know if
Speaker 3: this guy liked this question or not, but I said,
Speaker 3: excuse me, I can I ask you?
Speaker 1: How old are you? He said, how old do you
Speaker 1: think I am?
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know, but I watched you playing
Speaker 3: tennis out there, and you would crush me. He said,
Speaker 3: I'm eighty five, and he stomped off like I don't
Speaker 3: know if he was happy.
Speaker 1: To tell me that or Matt I asked, or whatever.
Speaker 3: I thought, you're eighty five freaking years old and you're playing.
Speaker 1: Tennis like that.
Speaker 3: They didn't three other guys. I mean, it's just it
Speaker 3: was really quite a yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The final point they make is that sometimes doctors will
Speaker 2: dismiss a symptom as a sign of aging when it
Speaker 2: is really something bad going on, and they shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: That's a bad doctor anyway. They're not going to declare
Speaker 2: aging and disease. Then I thought this was interesting also healthwise.
Speaker 1: This is a completely.
Speaker 2: Different topic, but we talked about it briefly off the air,
Speaker 2: and people seem interested in this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to quote from an article.
Speaker 2: A retired psychologist I know who worked for a prominent
Speaker 2: hospital seeing very complex cases, told me that cluster B
Speaker 2: personality disorders are the scariest thing to work with. He said,
Speaker 2: they are the scariest because they're basically untreatable and they
Speaker 2: do so much damage to the people around them.
Speaker 3: And I just heard the term, but I'm not familiar with. Okay,
Speaker 3: for a layman, what is a cluster B personality disorder?
Speaker 1: Right? Which is all of us? Certainly?
Speaker 2: The best thing you can do is learn to identify
Speaker 2: the behavior cluster B personalities display and stare clear of them.
Speaker 2: They are destructive, deceitful, narcissistic, and grandiose, while at the
Speaker 2: same time often struggling intense feelings of worthlessness and fear
Speaker 2: of abandonment. One clue should be that they cause chaos
Speaker 2: everywhere they go, often dragging other people into their webs
Speaker 2: of destruction.
Speaker 3: Oh you hate to be drug into the old wod
Speaker 3: right right drama queens?
Speaker 2: Uh, what was the other professional victims?
Speaker 1: That sort of thing. And I'll get more into the specifics.
Speaker 2: But research has found that cluster beat personalities tend to
Speaker 2: be involved in more litigation. For instance, don't get sucked
Speaker 2: into the web of chaos. They don't love you, they
Speaker 2: use you and then hate you.
Speaker 1: Let's see, here's the specifics.
Speaker 3: Can they help it or control it? Are they just
Speaker 3: built that way? Do they know they're doing it? That's
Speaker 3: what I was walking about. That's a really interesting question.
Speaker 3: I think, you know what, let's let's let's go ahead
Speaker 3: with some of the specifics and then come back to
Speaker 3: that question.
Speaker 1: Old web a destruction.
Speaker 2: People with BPDPD experience wide mood swings, can feel a
Speaker 2: sense of instability and insecurity. According to the Die Agnostic
Speaker 2: Statistical Manual Diazactic Framework, some key signs and symptoms. They
Speaker 2: include frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment by
Speaker 2: friends and family, Unstable personal relationships that alternate between idealization
Speaker 2: I'm so in love and devaluation I hate her. This
Speaker 2: is also sometimes known as splitting, distorted and unstable self image,
Speaker 2: which affects, moods, values, opinions, goals and relationships. Impulsive behaviors
Speaker 2: that can have dangerous outcomes, excess of spending on safe sex,
Speaker 2: reckless driving, misuse or overuse substances, self harming behavior, including
Speaker 2: suicidal thoughts, periods of intense depressed mood, irritability or anxiety,
Speaker 2: chronic feelings of boredom and emptiness, inappropriate, intense or uncontrollable anger,
Speaker 2: often followed by shame and guilt. Wait a minute, that's
Speaker 2: just my Friday night.
Speaker 3: Well, one of the problems with a lot of your
Speaker 3: psychological problems is everybody's got a little a lot of
Speaker 3: less staff. Sure, it's just the degree, is the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I was thinking the same thing as I
Speaker 1: was reading.
Speaker 3: Name me somebody who isn't ever selfish or irritable or
Speaker 3: down or whatever. So yeah, it's all the degree or
Speaker 3: sometimes confident and sometimes in sure. Yeah, yeah, let's see.
Speaker 3: The antisocial personality disorder is a pattern of disregard for
Speaker 3: in violation of the rights of others. It's a pattern
Speaker 3: of instability and an interpersonal relationship self image and effects
Speaker 3: and marked impulsivity. It's you know what, It strikes me
Speaker 3: as having, you know, gone through this whole thing is it's.
Speaker 1: The professional victim.
Speaker 2: Drama queen who just has all of our king, who
Speaker 2: has all of those things we were describing in a
Speaker 2: way that that damage relationships and make people around them miserable.
Speaker 2: But the original thing is that they are un they say,
Speaker 2: they're basically untreatable. Why is that completely Yeah, but I've
Speaker 2: some people emerged from childhood so damaged. I don't know
Speaker 2: how much help you can give for.
Speaker 1: That whole question.
Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with the doctor the other
Speaker 3: day when I was there about kids. His kids are
Speaker 3: his daughter is now going to come work in his office.
Speaker 3: She went to medical school, but she had lots of
Speaker 3: struggles when she was younger with a variety of things.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he was talking about how we all learn
Speaker 3: once we start parenting, is we have less say and
Speaker 3: how they're going to turn out than we thought we
Speaker 3: did at the beginning, And that whole thing is just amazing,
Speaker 3: you know, to what extent you have. He was using
Speaker 3: the example of like bumpers on a bowling alley, you
Speaker 3: can be the bumpers on the bowling alley keep from
Speaker 3: going this far or that far. But that whole part
Speaker 3: in the middle is them and they're gonna do their thing.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good metaphor yeah, yeah, try
Speaker 2: not to be one of those people, and if you're
Speaker 2: one of them, be better.
Speaker 3: I think this is this is interesting. I know in
Speaker 3: the world of like addiction stuff, there is tend you
Speaker 3: tend to be one of two kind of people, although
Speaker 3: again everybody's a little bit of all these things, but
Speaker 3: you tend to be one or the other of everything
Speaker 3: is somebody else's fault or everything is my fault. I
Speaker 3: tend to be more of the latter, and like everything
Speaker 3: that's gone wrong is my fault and uh and never
Speaker 3: you know they did this, you might want to take
Speaker 3: that in consideration, or that person is a lying jerk
Speaker 3: or whatever.
Speaker 1: So people tend to be one of those. In the
Speaker 1: world of addiction and stuff.
Speaker 3: Everything is someone else's fault or everything's my fault, and
Speaker 3: neither one of those is accurate.
Speaker 1: Obviously. You know, it just popped into my head.
Speaker 2: Who is the perfect manifestation of a cluster B personality
Speaker 2: disorder from fiction?
Speaker 1: And that would be Tony Soprano's mom on The Sopranos.
Speaker 1: She was that.
Speaker 2: Right destructive, deceitful, narcissistic, and grandiose, while at the same
Speaker 2: time struggling with intense feelings of worthlessness and fear of abandonment.
Speaker 3: And you'd get pulled into her web and uh.
Speaker 1: You're better off not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. Anyway, we can post this at armstrong
Speaker 2: and giddy dot com if you want.
Speaker 1: Well, we got.
Speaker 3: All kinds of people thinking about their sister, or their mom,
Speaker 3: or their gutsin or their brother, their coworker. Oh poor you, exactly,
Speaker 3: Oh poor you. We got more on the way.
Speaker 7: Punk Satani Phil, the Seer of Sears, was awakened from
Speaker 7: his wintry.
Speaker 1: Nap at dawn on Gobbler's knob. Phil looked to the skies.
Speaker 7: And then, speaking in groundhog gies, directed the President to
Speaker 7: the proper scroll, which reads, It's crowndhog Day and maybe
Speaker 7: life is on a loop. But I missed my burrow,
Speaker 7: I miss my coop, so I'm headed back down.
Speaker 1: There's a shadow up here.
Speaker 7: Get ready for six more weeks of winter this year.
Speaker 3: This might be the silliest things human beings do on Earth.
Speaker 3: I mean, when the English people chase a cheese downhill,
Speaker 3: that's pretty silly too, but this is right up to
Speaker 3: that makes more sense at least to an athletic event. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what the hell and the else uncomfortable with a gobbler's
Speaker 3: nob and mixed company just asking.
Speaker 1: We have breaking tariff news, breaking tariff news, the news
Speaker 1: breaks the donkey brains. Has Mexico caved? Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: Trump is counting on.
Speaker 3: The tariffs are supposed to hit tonight, tariff Tuesday tomorrow, China, Mexico,
Speaker 3: Canada under the thumb of the United States, but the
Speaker 3: pause is on for Mexico. The Trump administration has agreed
Speaker 3: to pause the tariffs as the president of Canada whose
Speaker 3: last name I mean Mexico, whose last name does not
Speaker 3: sound Mexican at all, Shinebam.
Speaker 1: President Scheinbaum of.
Speaker 3: Mexico said in a tweet that she had a conversation
Speaker 3: with Trump and in Mexico agreed to fortify its border
Speaker 3: with ten thousand national troops to try to block the
Speaker 3: flow of drugs, especially fentanel across the border, and the
Speaker 3: United States are Goua said, We're going to try to
Speaker 3: hammer out some different details over the next month.
Speaker 2: I spent my entire life savings trying to corner the
Speaker 2: huacamole market.
Speaker 1: Now it's all wasted. That's great, that's okay.
Speaker 2: You know, I wondered whether that's was Trump what he
Speaker 2: was doing all along, you know, gaining momentum for other
Speaker 2: stuff through the threat of tariffs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we all know the story from last weekend
Speaker 3: when we were sending illegal criminals back to Colombia and
Speaker 3: President Columbia said, no, you're not, You're not send them here.
Speaker 3: And Trump said, okay, fine, huge tariffs and they said,
Speaker 3: I go ahead.
Speaker 1: And send them.
Speaker 3: We'll send a plane and pick them up. Took like
Speaker 3: an hour get Columbia to cave. Mexico has at least
Speaker 3: agreed to agree to talk about a couple of things.
Speaker 3: We'll see where Canada is. Trudeau looks pretty tough to me.
Speaker 3: Uh huh, we'll see how long and now now is
Speaker 3: Canada and Canada that's true to get to make the
Speaker 3: decision on his own, like Trump gets to make the
Speaker 3: decision here on his own.
Speaker 2: Apparently you're asking me about Canadian trade policies.
Speaker 3: It's just weird all the way around that one human
Speaker 3: being in any of these countries would be making these decisions.
Speaker 3: These are big financial decisions, and they're taxes. That's what
Speaker 3: we have legislatures for. Here's the thing with me. I
Speaker 3: thought that Canada's got to be our fifty first state
Speaker 3: thing was funny, but he doubled down on it over
Speaker 3: the weekend, like he's serious. Canada is unsustainable on its own.
Speaker 3: It needs to become our beloved fifty first state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, come on.
Speaker 3: National Reviews had some great writing over the last couple
Speaker 3: of weeks about why that would be a bad idea,
Speaker 3: because for a number of reasons. First of all, you'd
Speaker 3: be adding another state the size of California that's to
Speaker 3: the left of California police by a lot. There's no
Speaker 3: culture of free speech in Canada going back centuries, or
Speaker 3: a lot of other things you don't like, uh, universal
Speaker 3: healthcare and all kinds of other stuff you don't Why
Speaker 3: would Why would I, as a right leading gentleman, want
Speaker 3: another to the left of the California giant state that
Speaker 3: would swing presidential elections?
Speaker 1: No? Thanks?
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about y'all figure your crazy ass up out
Speaker 2: up there and we continue to be trade partners and
Speaker 2: play hockey together and our friends and that's good enough.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to marry.
Speaker 3: Them unless you're a progressive or oot of your mind
Speaker 3: as a conservative. It's just not a good idea right
Speaker 3: right here here, Jo got a very exciting tease here.
Speaker 3: You know that movie, the transgender thirteen Oscar nominations musical
Speaker 3: nightmare movie we've been talking about. I took one for
Speaker 3: the team over the weekend, folks, and I watched it. Well,
Speaker 3: that wasn't a fair trade. I watched the Bob Dylan movie,
Speaker 3: which was awesome. You watch the trans Oscar winner movie.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need months of counseling. I'll tell you about
Speaker 2: it next out.
Speaker 1: I do want to hear about it. That's I want
Speaker 1: to talk about it. I didn't watch that beautiful relationship.
Speaker 3: I watched the music performances on the Grammys, but nothing else.
Speaker 1: Oscar Night. I'm gonna be watching for the speeches.
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna take it so far over the
Speaker 3: top it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: Bet your bottom dollar really a lot on the way.
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