WEBVTT - Trump’s Kennedy Center Board Now Wants His Name ENGRAVED On Memorial

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, the folks.

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<v Speaker 2>It is Friday, August fourteenth, and at some point when

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<v Speaker 2>Trump put his name on the Kennedy Center, you might

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<v Speaker 2>have thought John F. Kennedy must be turning over in

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<v Speaker 2>his grave. Well now he's probably just laughing. And with that,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ, where this

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<v Speaker 2>is hilarious. Trump is still fighting to get his name

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<v Speaker 2>on the Kennedy Center, right, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump, it's the board. He has nothing to do with it.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't help it if everyone else wants his name

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<v Speaker 1>on that center. What's a president to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Robes this. I don't know why he's not embarrassed by this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is something that most people would call pathetic.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you have to be able to self reflect and

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<v Speaker 1>be able to actually take an outside perspective and do

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of You have to be willing, uh huh,

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<v Speaker 1>to go outside of your desires and your wants and

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<v Speaker 1>actually look at it from another lens.

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<v Speaker 2>Why does anyone want this? It's the Kennedy Center, Robes.

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<v Speaker 2>You go there and you almost tiptoe, you walk quietly

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<v Speaker 2>because it is a memorial and you do respect what

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<v Speaker 2>it is. He wants his name Wait, excuse me, already

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<v Speaker 2>put it before Kennedy's once before, and it had to

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<v Speaker 2>come down by judge's order. Robes, Why is it important

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<v Speaker 2>for him to have his name on that building?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, is my answer, my honest answer. But

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<v Speaker 1>I do know that if he it seems like he

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<v Speaker 1>would be happy if his name was on every building,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's what he does. I mean, just walk around Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 1>His name is everywhere already. So yes, to your point,

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<v Speaker 1>why would he care?

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<v Speaker 2>Robes, national monuments? Okay, you developed the building, name them

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<v Speaker 2>all after you don't care, not yourself out. Every golf

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<v Speaker 2>course called it Trump one, Trump two, Trump three. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't knock yourself out. Those are your private businesses. These

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<v Speaker 2>are established monuments, robes and memorials.

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<v Speaker 1>Because maybe that means that it's forever. I mean this

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<v Speaker 1>now he goes down in US history. It's more than

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<v Speaker 1>just having a real estate zip code where you've got

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<v Speaker 1>a building named after you. That's anybody can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Anybody can buy that. You can't purchase your name on

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<v Speaker 1>a national monument. You can't purchase your name on a

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<v Speaker 1>fleet of ships.

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<v Speaker 2>He's building the Arc or the Trump Arc de Trump

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<v Speaker 2>or yes, that thing he's building that he's getting the

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<v Speaker 2>whole fleet. His name's everywhere. He got two terms as

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<v Speaker 2>President of the United States. He is the most consequential

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<v Speaker 2>guy maybe in the history of that office, good and bad.

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<v Speaker 1>He even takes pride in the fact that he's so

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<v Speaker 1>important that people keep trying to kill him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we will remember you, sir, Kennedy sent her Why

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<v Speaker 2>why so here we go, folks, the Trump Board. Yes

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Kennedy Center Board, but you get my point.

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<v Speaker 2>That was actually an accident and it was accurate. The

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Center Board that is full of Trump appointees, has

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<v Speaker 2>voted to once again add his name to the building roades.

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<v Speaker 2>It's how they've decided they want to go about doing

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<v Speaker 2>it that makes this a hilarious story that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know why he couldn't be embarrassed by.

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<v Speaker 1>Agreed, and the byeline on the New York Times made

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<v Speaker 1>me laugh. The vote to add restored and renovated by

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<v Speaker 1>President Donald J. Trump is an aggressive test of a

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<v Speaker 1>judge's order to remove his name.

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<v Speaker 2>They went a lot of awards there because that's some

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<v Speaker 2>very creative writing. Because what they're trying to say is,

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<v Speaker 2>y'all ain't gonna believe the shit they trying to pull exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why they work at the New York Times, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why I'm doing my own podcast. We communicate differently.

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<v Speaker 1>But yes, here's what happened. Yes, there was an hour

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<v Speaker 1>long board meeting. It happened via zoom. This happened on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>and the meeting's purpose was to vote on a renovation plan. Right, like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is still up in the air as well. If

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<v Speaker 1>the center can be closed, what the renovation plans are

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<v Speaker 1>going to actually be because Trump certainly has said that

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't. Didn't They say he couldn't raise the funds

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<v Speaker 1>necessary if his name wasn't on the buildings.

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants to give to the Kennedy Center. But if

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<v Speaker 2>it's the Trump Kennedy Center, sign me up.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me open my wallet. Yes, so that was the argument.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, so they're voting on a renovation plan. But

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<v Speaker 1>then they also voted on something none of us were expecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Right they said this was a surprise line item, did

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<v Speaker 2>they not? And they brought up adding his name back

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<v Speaker 2>to the building. Now this vote in up twenty to three, overwhelming,

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<v Speaker 2>really robes Obviously they think this is a good idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously it's the will of the people or the board

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump appointed.

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<v Speaker 2>A reminder, yes, he fired fourteen or eighteen folks when

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<v Speaker 2>he first came back, and then put another fourteen plus

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<v Speaker 2>and made himself share of the board of the Kennedy Center.

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<v Speaker 2>So there you go. So they voted to add his name. Robes,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't even believe somebody with a straight face came

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<v Speaker 2>up with this idea.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because they found a way to circumvent any potential

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<v Speaker 1>future judge's order to take down the name, because if

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<v Speaker 1>you engrave it into the damn building, you can't take

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<v Speaker 1>it down. How's that for a creative, aggressive idea.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that, Robes, I cannot believe this is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>So the name, the new official name that is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be of this so it won't write it's your

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<v Speaker 2>understanding as well, So it will no longer just be

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy Center. It'll be the Kennedy Center, Dad with

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<v Speaker 2>all this stuff, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>The official title?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct? All right?

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<v Speaker 2>The official new.

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<v Speaker 1>Title, the John F. Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts,

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<v Speaker 1>restored and renovated by President Donald J. Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a joke, people, Why just let it go.

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<v Speaker 2>Take the damn tarp down, and let's all move on.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that the tarp. We haven't gotten into this.

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<v Speaker 1>The tarp is still up. So look, they put a

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<v Speaker 1>tarp up when they were putting his name up, immediately

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<v Speaker 1>took it down Dan Da Da Dam. Within hours of

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<v Speaker 1>the vote. They had his name up on that building

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<v Speaker 1>in front of John F. Kennedy, on top of right

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<v Speaker 1>when he was ordered. When they were ordered to take

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<v Speaker 1>it down, they dragged their feeb. When they finally did,

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<v Speaker 1>they put a tart back up and it's never come

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<v Speaker 1>back down. How long has that tart been up now?

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<v Speaker 2>Early June. I think it was so the world won't

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<v Speaker 2>get a chance to see what I guess he would

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<v Speaker 2>perceive as a humiliation, which is it being restored to

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<v Speaker 2>the Kennedy Center. Are they really trying to push this

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<v Speaker 2>robe to keep that thing there until they can find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to add his name back and then they'll

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<v Speaker 2>take the target. The answer is yes, and that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, the answer has to be yes. There's no other

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<v Speaker 1>explanation for keeping the tarpaup. This is a weird obsession,

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<v Speaker 1>and like you said, it does read pathetic. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why he can't see that no one around

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<v Speaker 1>him is willing to tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>That restored and why restored and renovated by President Donald J. Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's not it, folks. They're also and they also

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<v Speaker 1>voted to rename the plaza in front of the Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>Center Trump Plaza.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, is that wouldn't that be enough? Can we compromise?

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<v Speaker 2>Just okay?

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<v Speaker 1>If fine with that, let him have it.

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<v Speaker 2>It really is like you're trying to satisfy a spoiled child.

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<v Speaker 2>I please, folks, I'm not comparing the president. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>calling him a child, not name calling here, just the

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<v Speaker 2>recognition of the behavior, how he could be viewed here,

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<v Speaker 2>that you are that it's so important to get his

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<v Speaker 2>name on this memorial to that guy? Does he just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be connected to that legacy? Kennedy is other

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<v Speaker 2>level in terms of how he's revered, robes and he

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<v Speaker 2>was shot and killed in front of the world, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So is that what it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he feels a kindred spirit to Kennedy because they

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<v Speaker 1>both have been shot at I don't know. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>possibly understand. I'm waiting for the next ball to drop

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<v Speaker 1>where we hear that sixteen hundred Pennsylvania Avenue is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be renamed sixteen hundred Trump Avenue. I mean, seriously,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where we are right now. Didn't laugh at that

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<v Speaker 1>at all, You didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a little scary, because this is I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be surprised if he wrote, if there's graffiti on the

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<v Speaker 2>MLK Memorial in DC right now and he sends the

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<v Speaker 2>Park Service to clean it off. If you told me

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<v Speaker 2>he's changing the name of that to the Trump MLK Memorial,

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<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't flinch.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess at this point we shouldn't flinch, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>everything we're talking about. Is akin to any of those

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<v Speaker 1>other items being added to the list of things he

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<v Speaker 1>would like his name on.

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<v Speaker 2>This one was pretty stunning to me. But this board,

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<v Speaker 2>remember yes, he fired them soon as he got back

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<v Speaker 2>into office, name himself chairman. Now you remember all those ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>After he took over and did a lot of this stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>people started dropping out left and right.

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<v Speaker 1>We had one story after the next, where you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like annual beloved traditions with certain artists who came in

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<v Speaker 1>around the holidays, who opened the doors to the Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>Center to children and invited them in and exposed them

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<v Speaker 1>to the arts, meaningful, powerful concerts. All of those musicians,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much all of them canceled and were pained to

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<v Speaker 1>do so, personally, professionally, and even socially, like they knew

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<v Speaker 1>that there was going to be a sacrifice. They actually

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<v Speaker 1>looked at it as that a financial sacrifice and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>even a cultural sacrifice for people because they had to

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<v Speaker 1>take a stand.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's what's been happening at the Kennedy Center Robes

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<v Speaker 2>really for the past year and a half, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>been unfortunate, and I think a lot of people agree

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<v Speaker 2>that it does need is in need of renovations. But

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<v Speaker 2>all of this it didn't help that sales have dropped off.

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<v Speaker 2>They say, subscriptions have dropped off substantially. And it was

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<v Speaker 2>in December that they voted of last year to add

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<v Speaker 2>his name, and already Robes ticket sales and things were down.

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<v Speaker 2>When that happened in December, that's when all those Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>and all those cancelations started happening. Folks refused to come there.

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<v Speaker 2>And then another hit. He took Robes. I forgot about this,

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<v Speaker 2>he insisted on I say, insisted, this is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>They asked him to what can you say, as the

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<v Speaker 1>people want me to host Kennedy Center Honors, And there

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<v Speaker 1>had never been a president, a sitting president, to host

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<v Speaker 1>the Kennedy Center Honors ever.

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<v Speaker 2>But he put out a statement at the time how

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<v Speaker 2>desperate they were. They asked me because they need viewership.

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<v Speaker 2>They know there'll be huge ratings if I do it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the lowest ratings in the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>Kennedy Center Honors. Three million watched him do it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that was his first time attending because he skipped it

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<v Speaker 2>all the years that of his first term.

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<v Speaker 1>And that couldn't have felt good to him, could it.

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<v Speaker 1>He can't, like that's his lifeblood, that the ratings. How

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<v Speaker 1>many people showed up on the National Mall during his inauguration.

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<v Speaker 1>He's obsessed with crowds, the whole two hundred and fiftieth celebration,

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<v Speaker 1>in the crowds on the mall, like those were all

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<v Speaker 1>things that are dogging him and driving him nuts when

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<v Speaker 1>they aren't the best, the biggest ever, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>what the highest rated ever? So when you have the opposite,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, that makes him crazy. And then of course

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<v Speaker 1>the judge ordered his name to come down and that

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<v Speaker 1>was removed. We're told on June some photographers have gotten

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<v Speaker 1>a side view to actually show that the name is down,

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<v Speaker 1>but no one's gotten that big front view of his

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<v Speaker 1>name off the center. And that's exactly what they are

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<v Speaker 1>intending to keep that hidden until they can, I guess,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're seeing it play out right now. Exhaust every

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<v Speaker 1>option to get his name back on. I just the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of doing it permanently, engraving it into the building.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that feels so disrespectful. It's one thing,

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<v Speaker 1>it's awful enough to put the letters above Kennedy's name

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<v Speaker 1>and have them be the same type of lettering placed

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<v Speaker 1>or affixed on top of the but to engrave it

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<v Speaker 1>into that actually feels more like writing on someone's grave.

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<v Speaker 1>That is like you're engraving that is.

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<v Speaker 2>You're desecraating somebody's memorial. I don't know how that's not comfortable,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's it's bizarre. But stay here. We want you

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<v Speaker 2>to hear there's one congresswoman who has been behind this

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<v Speaker 2>effort to make sure his name came down. She had

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty powerful statement. We'll let you hear what she

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<v Speaker 2>had to say. And also it is important to note

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<v Speaker 2>this Kennedy Center is going to get renovations. We think

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<v Speaker 2>the board did give three options. We'll let you know

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<v Speaker 2>what they are.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay here, Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. Can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe we are still talking about Trump's name on the

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy Center.

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<v Speaker 2>This was over.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was over. I mean, it wasn't totally

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<v Speaker 1>over until the tarp comes down. But now we understand

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<v Speaker 1>why the tarp is stayed up because they say.

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<v Speaker 2>They said something.

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<v Speaker 1>I never heard anything that made any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>Something to do with construct. No, it didn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was something about construction.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's still up. And now yes, they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>engrave his damn name on the building itself. And you

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned the congresswoman Democrat from Ohio who was initially on

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<v Speaker 1>the board. Correct, she was on the Kennedy Center board,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe, And so she was one of the dozen

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<v Speaker 1>or so who were fired by Trump and replaced by

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<v Speaker 1>his folks. So, yes, she has made it her personal

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<v Speaker 1>mission to try and stop this from happening. And she's

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<v Speaker 1>the one who filed that original suit to remove his name. Well, she, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>has had something to say about this latest effort by

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<v Speaker 1>the new Trump Trump Board on the Kennedy Center, and

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<v Speaker 1>she had this to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote, this latest development is a transparent effort to circumvent

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<v Speaker 2>the court's ruling and flies in the face of the

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<v Speaker 2>statutes that Congress passed. I will continue to fight for

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<v Speaker 2>this treasured national monument ROAs we need to remember that

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<v Speaker 2>that is a very important thing. This is a transparent effort.

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<v Speaker 2>Like these folks ain't hiding a lot of what they

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<v Speaker 2>do ropes. They come out right out and say out loud, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>one point eight billion dollar anti weaponization is going to

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<v Speaker 2>all those people who will climbing that building on January

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<v Speaker 2>sixth that were done wrong. They flat out just they

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<v Speaker 2>come out and say it. This is a transparent effort. Yep,

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm just so curious because federal law that governs

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<v Speaker 1>the Kennedy Center is clear, it's not ambiguous, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>up for interpretation. It literally says this, no additional memorials

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<v Speaker 1>or plaques in the nature of memorials shall be designated

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<v Speaker 1>or installed in the public areas. So to say this

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<v Speaker 1>was renovated and restored by President Donald J. Trump that

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<v Speaker 1>falls directly into that law.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, what do you think the judge's going to do here.

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<v Speaker 1>He's going to say, y'all are hilarious.

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<v Speaker 2>He might he might actually say that that this is

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<v Speaker 2>just funny. So a judge does have to sign off

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<v Speaker 2>on that plan. A judge, it's going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>sign off. They're still not sure exactly what they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do, but it does need renovations. They've offered up

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<v Speaker 2>plans that would close it all down for two years,

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<v Speaker 2>another plan would close it partially, and then another plan

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<v Speaker 2>would close it in phases over time. Again, judge has

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<v Speaker 2>to sign off on all this stuff. But the name

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<v Speaker 2>thing I don't know roes even if it did get

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<v Speaker 2>engraved when a Democrat gets in office or Democrats get into.

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<v Speaker 1>Cong blast it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they probably are, but we shouldn't be doing that either. Somebody, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that's exactly what would happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot look. I will we will wait and see

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<v Speaker 1>what this judge rules. But he's already made it clear

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<v Speaker 1>how he feels. So I guess I don't understand why

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<v Speaker 1>they would put themselves in a position to be publicly

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<v Speaker 1>slapped down by the same judge, Like there's no question

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<v Speaker 1>as to what this judge is going to say or do.

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<v Speaker 2>Why baby are they being told they have to do

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<v Speaker 2>something to get his name on there, or do they

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<v Speaker 2>feel like we better do this because we want to

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<v Speaker 2>make Daddy happy. Are they getting direct instruction do you

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<v Speaker 2>think or they are just doing this because they do

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<v Speaker 2>want to make Daddy happy.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be one or both.

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<v Speaker 2>But bro is this the way he would have to

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<v Speaker 2>sign off on that? Because that is that's not a

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<v Speaker 2>good look. Broh.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not him, it's people who just love him and

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<v Speaker 1>want to honor him.

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<v Speaker 2>He can say, guys, let's not do that. Of course

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<v Speaker 2>he can say that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course he can clearly he has not.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, folks, it ain't over yet.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you. Listen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm t J, I'm behalf of my dear Amy Robick.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk to you allston

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<v Speaker 1>H