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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Favorites, the podcast presented by BET three

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We are part of the Action Network. I

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Speaker 1: am Chad Norman, Chief Content Officer of the Action Network.

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Speaker 1: We are so close. People joining me on the show

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Speaker 1: is my co host, my companion, my capadre, my BFF,

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Speaker 1: professional better Assignmon Hunter and O Simon.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Chad. Good to be back. I mean, my brother

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Speaker 2: off the top. We got to talk about everyone's talking about, right.

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Speaker 2: I don't care if you're left, If you're right. NCAA

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Speaker 2: football is back, Chad, And I don't.

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Speaker 3: Know if that was something you missed.

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Speaker 2: But growing up to me, I mean there's Madden and people,

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Speaker 2: there's NCAA people. I'm a little bit of both, honestly,

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Speaker 2: but I'm definitely a guy who I spent way too

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Speaker 2: much I'm playing that game.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if you if that missed you.

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Speaker 2: But I had a couple of fans reach out to

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Speaker 2: ask us about if I could ask you if you

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Speaker 2: played it, and I told.

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Speaker 3: Them I don't think Chad made the window.

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Speaker 2: I think you just missed the window because I feel

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Speaker 2: like you were like thirty five ish thirty two ish

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Speaker 2: when it came out.

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Speaker 1: So my window, my window, And I can't even remember

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Speaker 1: the name of the game. Now, is that old I am?

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Speaker 1: It was that NHL video game?

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Speaker 3: What game?

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Speaker 1: The NHL video.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, yes, yes, and it's.

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Speaker 1: Not Ethronic again again, I'm so old. I'm aging myself.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: When the movie was that movie with John Favreau and

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Speaker 1: Vince Fawn Swing Nurse came out, Yeah, and like one

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Speaker 1: night they were all hanging out in their apartment playing

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Speaker 1: that video game Nintendo. That was like every night for

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Speaker 1: me and my guys. Yeah, in college before he went out,

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Speaker 1: it was putting that gime.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, My mine for that for college

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Speaker 2: was FIFA, like FIFA if you were drinking. It was

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Speaker 2: just a perfect thing of you know, if you lose

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Speaker 2: your ginger beer and it was kind of thing where

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Speaker 2: it's like that was just in the dorms. That's what

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Speaker 2: people played for my age. But yeah, that AHL is

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Speaker 2: definitely a classic.

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Speaker 1: I will say that this new NCAA game came out

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Speaker 1: and my kid who wanted the new PS five console

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Speaker 1: or whatever, Yeah, he decided that he wanted to spend

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Speaker 1: his own money on it because we weren't going to

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Speaker 1: buy it for him because he wanted to play with

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Speaker 1: all his friends, so he made the choice to spend

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Speaker 1: basically his life savings in this video game console so

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Speaker 1: he could play the new Matten College football game.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm with him. I had that ard reality.

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Speaker 2: It's a weird thing chat where if you have an

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Speaker 2: order console, it doesn't work on it. So I have

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Speaker 2: the original Xbox One, which was great for me for

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Speaker 2: ten years, and I go to download the game. They're

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Speaker 2: just like, nope, go spend more money, go buy the

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Speaker 2: newest Xbox And like, damn, they know that.

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Speaker 3: I'll do it too, So I win, did it.

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Speaker 1: But they hooked you, brother, hooked you. They also hooked

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Speaker 1: my seventeen year old son. We are now two weeks

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Speaker 1: away from the start of our annual NFL Division.

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Speaker 2: Mayors Report Today, Chad or yesterday they reported yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're here, we are so here and the world.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of news going on right now. Right

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Speaker 1: now we are talking about the NFL and we are

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Speaker 1: weeks away from our division preview episodes. To get those

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Speaker 1: juices flown a little bit, we have one of our

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Speaker 1: favorite summer episodes. This is when Simon and I rank

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Speaker 1: our top ten NFL QBS with the help of our

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Speaker 1: very special guest friend of the show, og at the

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Speaker 1: fantasy football community. You can find him at Sharp Football Analysis,

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Speaker 1: at Lord Reeves, on Twitter, many other places where the

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Speaker 1: NFL is intelligently discussed. Exception being today, Welcome to the show,

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Speaker 1: rich Rebard. What's up, brother?

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Speaker 4: What's going on? Guys? I'm glad to be back. Even

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Speaker 4: after last year of having Deshaun Watson on my list,

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Speaker 4: I was glad I was invited back. I don't know

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Speaker 4: where Deshaun Watson is going to be on anyone's list today,

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Speaker 4: but I'm glad that I was allowed to come back

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Speaker 4: after that. Well.

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Speaker 1: Look, one of us had Justin Fields on his list, so.

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Speaker 3: Even worse, two people forgot Stafford.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that I can guarantee we're not making the

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Speaker 1: same mistake again.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: I'm so excited to do this list. Earlier today, in

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Speaker 1: a separate call with Matt Mitchell one of my eighty

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Speaker 1: five calls with Matt Mitchell today that had nothing to

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Speaker 1: late Saturday night yesterday, I started thinking about my list

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Speaker 1: more research, and he was ripping me. He's like, you

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Speaker 1: got Dave greg on that list, Like he was so

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Speaker 1: antagonistic about what my list is going to be. So

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Speaker 1: when I saw your list, which I've seen, I was

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Speaker 1: so proud that, like I wasn't too far off, but

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Speaker 1: we got we got some differences, and we'll get to

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Speaker 1: you and I are going to go ten to one,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I want you to start first. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to make the list. I want you to define your

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Speaker 1: because I do think that you and I will think

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Speaker 3: You start, Yeah, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Trying to adjust a little bit because I did take

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Speaker 2: too much heat for last year. I agreed with a

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Speaker 2: lot of the hate I was getting. It was mainly

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Speaker 2: I don't think I had Dak in my top ten

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Speaker 2: last year. My view was that I was just burned

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Speaker 2: so sick of the hype. But last year, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Dak was to me the best court back in the NFC.

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Speaker 2: So that for my criteria, I'm basically looking at who

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Speaker 2: they're behind in a game, who do I still have

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: Because there's plenty of guys who can put up great numbers, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll tell you right now, Chad I left

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Speaker 2: I do not have faith at all that when things

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Speaker 2: off my top ten list. So let's start number ten. Chad,

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Speaker 2: he made it. I got to give it to him

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Speaker 2: after last year and what he did. I was a

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Speaker 2: hater coming to the season, but brock Perdy number ten,

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Speaker 2: I really got to give that kid respect. Number nine

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Speaker 2: about him obviously. Number eight. I can't believe it.

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Speaker 3: Golf worked his way in. I mean, we can't deny it.

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Speaker 3: Right he was.

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Speaker 2: He's one of the best quarterbacks the NFC last year

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Speaker 3: So number eight golf.

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Speaker 2: Number seven hurts, and that's that's gonna be a controversial pick.

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Speaker 2: People don't believe in him. I'll tell tell you why.

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Speaker 2: Why do when we get into it. Number six right

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Speaker 3: I'm o, Dak. It's just he was incredible last year.

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Speaker 2: Like as much as of a failure he is in

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Speaker 2: he is. And even games that they weren't, you know,

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Speaker 2: weren't weren't his best games. He kept his team in him.

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Speaker 2: I mean we talked last year he was just so disrespected.

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Speaker 2: You listen to any radio show they're pounding his under

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Speaker 2: People left the Rams were dead. I mean, look at

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Speaker 2: that turnaround, Like it's just it's just incredible how good

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Speaker 2: the rest is all AFC quarterbacks from EA Chad. Number

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Speaker 2: four the MVP Lamar. He would be hiring this list

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Speaker 2: if he just doesn't stop burning us in the playoffs.

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Speaker 2: But I can't let it go. Like he just the

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Speaker 2: comes to January and February. Number three, Joe Burrow speaks

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Speaker 2: two is still Josh Allen. To me, if Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 3: It's just it's.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately for Josh Allen, he's born into an era of Mahomes,

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Speaker 2: still think he projects out to be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: It's like, will ever get over that hump? Chat, So

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Speaker 2: number two, Josh Allen number one? How do you not

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Speaker 2: put the best player in all football? Maybe we've ever

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Speaker 2: Maybe one yard Brooke and did put Allen, but I

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Speaker 2: just could see it being Mahomes over these last couple

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Speaker 1: Chad, here's what's so interesting. You and I I think

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Speaker 1: both of us had Allen number one either.

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Speaker 3: I think two years ago it was after the Joe

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Speaker 1: It was after Joe Burrow and like we were down

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Speaker 3: That's my issue.

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Speaker 2: watch him or Hurts. It's more appeasing to my eyes

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Speaker 1: I have Lamar. You have Lamar at four. I have

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Speaker 2: Though me and chat Auto bet every time, We've never

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Speaker 3: But I'm with you. It's just the trust.

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Speaker 1: That's it. Then I got Alan, I got Joe Burrow,

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Speaker 1: number one Patrick Mahomes. All Right, we've made Rich wait

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Speaker 1: Gus give us your logic and what went into your

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Speaker 4: All right, Yeah, I like that. I come about this

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Speaker 4: happened to you know, kind of Herbert, you know in

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Speaker 4: the past years. It's like everything deteriorated around him. I

437
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,959
Speaker 4: mean last year the Jaguars were eight and three, they

438
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 4: were cruising and then just collapse. Everything fell apart one

439
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 4: in five finish. You are right about the pressure stuff

440
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,399
Speaker 4: though with Trevor Lawrence. And we've seen the offensive line

441
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Speaker 4: you know last year twenty ninth and pass block win

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Speaker 4: rate twenty seventh and run block win right at Pro football, folks,

443
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Speaker 4: there twenty first and pass block and grade thirty first

444
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Speaker 4: to run block and grade. It was a bad unit

445
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Speaker 4: and they really only added Mitch Morse like it could

446
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Speaker 4: be a potentially bad unit again. There's some moving parts

447
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Speaker 4: here with you know, Calvin Ridley and Zay Jones, you know,

448
00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,239
Speaker 4: swapping chairs for Brian Thomas Junior and Gabe Davis. They

449
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Speaker 4: saw got Christian Kirk and Evan ingram As like those

450
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 4: those safety blanket guys. But it couldn't not be good

451
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Speaker 4: again this year. Why you can make arguments like the

452
00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:39,200
Speaker 4: Colts got better, the Titans got better in that division

453
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 4: as well, so he may maybe doesn't answer to me.

454
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,879
Speaker 4: It was like if I was taking, like said, starting

455
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 4: a franchise, like it was just between him and Jordan

456
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 4: love for me, and I still think going back to

457
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 4: that draft, he still got the guy that was had

458
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 4: all this pedigree, and I still believe there's something in

459
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Speaker 4: here that we haven't gotten the best of it. Maybe

460
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Speaker 4: we just keep waiting for it. Maybe he's my Deshaun

461
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 4: Watson pick of this year. But I have Dak nine

462
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 4: pretty much all the same reasons you guys have. I

463
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: have Jalen Hurts eight. Just everything kind of again last year.

464
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Speaker 4: I mean it was really good the front half of

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Speaker 4: the year, and that was in a year where they

466
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Speaker 4: lost Shane Stikeen, Brian Johnson had no play calling experience

467
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Speaker 4: before last year. The offense was really stale. You look

468
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,560
Speaker 4: at their play action rate, their pre snat motion rate,

469
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Speaker 4: all that dropped. Losing Shane Stykeen, then Hurts picked up

470
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Speaker 4: a knee injury in like Week six, kind of just

471
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,480
Speaker 4: was never the same. That offense was never the same.

472
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Speaker 4: The offensive line was really healthy still, like Simon said,

473
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's really hard to strip away that Super

474
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Speaker 4: Bowl performance Jalen Hurts had and like you see the

475
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Speaker 4: ceiling right, he was the best player in that game.

476
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Speaker 4: Like in you know, it's a bummer that you know

477
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Speaker 4: the MVP of the game can't be on the losing team.

478
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Speaker 4: Then I have Lamar Jackson at seven. And it's really

479
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,960
Speaker 4: comes down to all the same stuff that you guys

480
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Speaker 4: laid out. I mean, I don't think that the Ravens

481
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Speaker 4: they have to be kicking themselves like they didn't have

482
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Speaker 4: a You'll never maybe have as good a look as

483
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Speaker 4: you had as last year. You had a down Patrick

484
00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,919
Speaker 4: Mahomes right, like an immortal Patrick Mahomes in your house.

485
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 4: They score zero points in the second half in your house,

486
00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 4: and you can't beat them, right.

487
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: And your defense was designed to beat the forty nine ers.

488
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Speaker 2: It was like the perfect team now could stop the

489
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Speaker 2: forty nine ers. I'll never get over it, yeah, I

490
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Speaker 2: mean will never get over it.

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Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't see how Baltimore fans will

492
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Speaker 4: ever have a better look than what they had last year.

493
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Speaker 4: And they couldn't cash in. The only quarterback since Lamar

494
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Speaker 4: Jackson uh entered the league that has a worse quarterback

495
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Speaker 4: rating with more than two playoff starts than him is

496
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Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo since he had in the league. I mean,

497
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Speaker 4: it's just a six six passing touchdown, six interceptions in

498
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Speaker 4: the postseason. You've seen it last year, they didn't. You

499
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Speaker 4: can we can definitely look back and say that game

500
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Speaker 4: plan was was terrible what Baltimore had last year when

501
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Speaker 4: they faced Kansas City. But they put it on Lamars

502
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Speaker 4: shoulders again. And you know, it always comes down to

503
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Speaker 4: the passing acumen, right, And that's what it always comes

504
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,239
Speaker 4: down to. And that's why I have all these all

505
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Speaker 4: those guy, all these guys higher than Lamar Jackson. I

506
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 4: have Stafford six. Uh, then I have Stroud five. I

507
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 4: still have just and Herbert four because again I'm removing

508
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,600
Speaker 4: him from, you know, from everything that's been surrounding him,

509
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Speaker 4: and then I have Burrow, Allen and Mahomes. And to me,

510
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Speaker 4: it's still the tiebreaker when you get into the top

511
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 4: of the tiers. And it's what we talked about last year.

512
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Speaker 4: And I know, Chad you liked it, but it's still mean.

513
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,480
Speaker 4: It's like it's the sack of winded stuff and that's

514
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 4: what separates Burrow. He gives like the gaps from Burrow

515
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Speaker 4: to Allen to Mahomes. I mean since Mahomes entered the league.

516
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Speaker 4: I mean he's he's only been sacked on twelve point

517
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Speaker 4: two percent of his pressures. It's the best rate in

518
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Speaker 4: the NFL. It actually goes down in the postseason. He's

519
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 4: only been sacked down eleven point eight percent of his pressures.

520
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 4: And then you look at you know, Joe Burrow, He's

521
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Speaker 4: been sacked on twenty six percent of his pressure since

522
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Speaker 4: he and THEVELL. It's fortyeth out of forty three qualifying qbs.

523
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Speaker 4: Mahomes is one, Josh Allen is three. You say all right. Well,

524
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 4: the Bengals still punch themselves out right, but they go

525
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Speaker 4: from eighth in the NFL and points per drive with

526
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow in the game when he doesn't take a

527
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Speaker 4: sack all the way down to sixteenth in the NFL

528
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Speaker 4: and points per drive when he does take a sack.

529
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Speaker 4: Only Russell Wilson has lost more EPA on sacks since

530
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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow entered the NFL, and he has actually has

531
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Speaker 4: lost more EPA expected points added on sacks then Josh

532
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Speaker 4: Allen has lost on fumbles and interceptions since he entered

533
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Speaker 4: the NFL. And you know, I dropped all those stats

534
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 4: for you guys last year and told you guys, that's

535
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Speaker 4: why I was most concerned about justin Fields even getting

536
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 4: a second contract in the NFL was the sack avoided stuff.

537
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Speaker 4: And just you know, you look at the NFL, and

538
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Speaker 4: since I've been tracking this data, I've been talking about

539
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: this for like multiple years, and you start to see

540
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Speaker 4: people start to get on the sack stuff recently. But

541
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Speaker 4: I mean, you triple your rate of scoring a touchdown

542
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 4: when you don't take a sack on a drive. You

543
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 4: double your rate on not punting when you you know,

544
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,439
Speaker 4: don't take a sack on a drive, and you double

545
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 4: your rate on scoring any points on a drive when

546
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Speaker 4: you don't take a sack. So that's what makes the

547
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,439
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548
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,399
Speaker 4: even though he has those those Montanask qualities, like just

549
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 4: the negative plays, I mean those negative plays, and people

550
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 4: don't count sacks as turnovers, but they definitely should be

551
00:25:58,480 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 4: counting them as turnovers.

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Speaker 1: So Rich, I don't want to brush your bubble here,

553
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Speaker 1: but I've seen Joe Burrow say he's very focused on longevity,

554
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: So to me, that means he's getting ready to take

555
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 1: fewer sacks. Simon, I've been on vacation. We haven't had

556
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Speaker 1: towards gambling centric ideas versus just starting a franchise ideas.

588
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: Neither of us have Trevor Lawrence. Both of us have

589
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. You know, that's like.

590
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: Everything he said so true.

591
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,159
Speaker 2: If you if you if Ben Johnson, if Ben Johnson

592
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 2: left them, even though they have the best offensive line

593
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 2: in football, I would downgrade him outside.

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Speaker 3: My top Don. I wouldn't have as much faith as

595
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Speaker 3: I do have in this year. It's like it's kind

596
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: of a package deal here. So he's right, Like.

597
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 4: From a betting stance, we have to factor in Dan Campbell.

598
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell cares about our money.

599
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 3: It's true.

600
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 4: Dan Campbell is playing, he's coaching to win games, and

601
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 4: as a gambler, that's what you want. That's why they're

602
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: so good as dogs. That's why there's that's why there's

603
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: they're so fun to bet on, that's why the lines

604
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 4: have been such house money.

605
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Speaker 1: The other guy that you talked about that I feel

606
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Speaker 1: like I had on my list if I look at

607
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Speaker 1: it sort of my next year obviously, I had Jalen

608
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: Hurts like just outside and maybe maybe I'm wrong, maybe

609
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: I should have him in there. Although I can't think

610
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: of anyone I would take out. The only person I

611
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: would take out is Dak, honestly. And it's interesting to

612
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: me Rich that you have Dak as low as I do.

613
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: I have met ten, you have him met nine, but

614
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: much higher. Simon has him much higher, Like I didn't

615
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Speaker 1: have Hurts. The guys I listed outside of this were Hurts,

616
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: Lawrence and Love and so Simon, give me your take

617
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Speaker 1: on Jordan Love. Why isn't he on this list? Do

618
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 1: you think he's close to being on this list?

619
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

620
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 2: I think it's just a classic case. So it was

621
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Speaker 2: the same thing with Party last year. It's like do

622
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: it again, Like Party had a great half of a

623
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 2: year when he came in for the forty nine ers

624
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Speaker 2: and took them all the way to the NFC Championship game,

625
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: which we all can agree that wasn't because of Party, right,

626
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: that was the team around him, Jordan Love, that was

627
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: all him, Like that him carrying the team and I

628
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: think he was what second in touchdowns in the NFC

629
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Speaker 2: last year, Like it was all there for him and

630
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Speaker 2: he really did do it. But I'm just skeptical because

631
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: it's just like, Okay, now the book's out on them. Now,

632
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:18,719
Speaker 2: now they have a full year of tape on him,

633
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: can he do it again this upcoming year? Because he

634
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: really did only do it for a second half of

635
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Speaker 2: the year, And if you go back and look at

636
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Speaker 2: the teams he beat, it's not like he beat up

637
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Speaker 2: on these great teams, right, it was kind of an

638
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: easy path to do what he did.

639
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Speaker 3: So my view of Jordan Love is just it's the

640
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Speaker 3: media hype.

641
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: Right now too, where everyone out there is talking about

642
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Speaker 2: him as a top ten guy. Like I really watch

643
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Speaker 2: and listen to a lot of shows, they're all in

644
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: on Jordan Love, and it's just it's too soon for me.

645
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Speaker 3: It's like, let me see him do it again.

646
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: If I was him, I would not touch the field

647
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Speaker 2: this summer without a new contract.

648
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 3: Though.

649
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: Like the whole thing about people being upset that he's

650
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: trying to hold out, it's all a game, people, Like

651
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Speaker 2: he knows the deal. He knows that he had a

652
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Speaker 2: crazy run, so it's like he's got to get that

653
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Speaker 2: deal before he takes the field. And that's my view

654
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 2: of him. It's like I need another year of it

655
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 2: chat because I just as good as I think he is.

656
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: I still think a lot of it's on the floor.

657
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: Like I've just thought, he set him up so perfectly.

658
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 2: If you look at a lot of those plays, it was

659
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: first read the guy's open, right, It's like the design

660
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: of the scheme really plays into that, which I probably

661
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: shouldn't do too much because I had Purty and Golf

662
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: in my top ten, which again which Rich said it's

663
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: a very fair point. But yeah, I just Jordan love

664
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 2: for me is right there, right. I probably have him

665
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: at twelve thirteen. His skill level was just out of

666
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: this world after the final seven weeks. But it's just

667
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: I'm just not a full believer yet.

668
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: I should make a point. All of these guys to

669
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: me are below Caleb Williams. I just want to be

670
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: clear about that. To me, this is like the ten

671
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks other than Kayleb Williams. We're sort of playing

672
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: a game here because we know he's going to be

673
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: the guy you bet on, you build a franchise around,

674
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Speaker 1: And honestly, Rich, no joke. If that's going to be

675
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: your criteria, why wouldn't Caleb Williams be on that list?

676
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 3: Well?

677
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 4: I considered it for winning a Super Bowl this year.

678
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: So I originally was going to do starting a franchise, right,

679
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 4: like yeah, like, and I actually was going to have

680
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 4: Jordan Love and Caleb because I was factoring in age

681
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: like Stafford would. Then Stafford would get reduced, right if

682
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: I was building a franchise like I would, Stafford Old

683
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: probably only has what one two five years left, you know,

684
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Speaker 4: depending he wants to play till he's like early forty,

685
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: so it'll be thirty six this year. Factoring in age,

686
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 4: I definitely would have Caleb, like if I was starting

687
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: a franchise. Absolutely, I actually thought about that, just for

688
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: the hot takiness of having that be. You know, if

689
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 4: if I was a better brander, I would have done it.

690
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 4: It was better at playing the game, you know it.

691
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Speaker 1: Also, you're just you're not as emotionally attached to the

692
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 1: Bears as maybe one.

693
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Speaker 4: Hey, I tried to talk to you guys down from

694
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Speaker 4: justin Fields last year.

695
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 2: There was no there was no yeah drank, Yeah, we're

696
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: both sitt one hundred and one tickets. I think of

697
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: that time they were down like fifty to one or sixty. Yeah, Well,

698
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: we were just really feeling ourselves.

699
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I was like cashing that ticket.

700
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: I was so ready to look so smart with Justin Fields.

701
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: But now we look back and we're like, and I

702
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: watch some highlights from last year and he's just not there,

703
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: and it's so uncomfortable and upsetting to watch it and

704
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: relive it in a way where like, I was so

705
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:33,239
Speaker 1: invested and I wanted him to be so good, and

706
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: you watch him against compared to you with a CJ. Strouder,

707
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: even a Jordan Love That Packers game was just heartbreaking

708
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: last year when you saw that he wasn't there. Listen, Rich,

709
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: life is about learning, it's about evolving, right, and so

710
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: we've learned and that's why we got Kaylyn Williams. Would

711
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: you say, Rich, is QB play improving or getting worse

712
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: overall in the NFL.

713
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 4: I just had an article come out today on This

714
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 4: is a free article on the site and shows just

715
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: how bad the last two years have been, you know

716
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 4: for NFL. You know, passing offenses and a lot, a

717
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,919
Speaker 4: lot goes into it, right, It's not really just one thing.

718
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 4: Obviously you add the seventeenth game, which means there's more injuries.

719
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 4: I talk about, you know, how many quarterbacks have played.

720
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 4: We're getting more quarterbacks starting than ever before. More offensive

721
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: linemen are starting than ever before. As a byproduct of that,

722
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 4: which kind of goes into some things, offensive line continuity

723
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,719
Speaker 4: has been at all time low. We've got this kind

724
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 4: of like current defensive meta. We've got kind of teams

725
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,720
Speaker 4: playing a lot more you know, a lot more coverage,

726
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 4: a lot more too high stuff. They're trying to make

727
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,399
Speaker 4: you drive the field, not give up, you know, one

728
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: to two play drives. They want you to have seven

729
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 4: to eight play drives. They want you to make a

730
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: mistake on a drive. And like all these things kind

731
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: of are are playing into it. We're also seeing the

732
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Speaker 4: I don't know it's the facilitation of the college game

733
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 4: into the NFL, But so shotgun. The rate of plays

734
00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 4: in the shotgun have gone up in the NFL, and

735
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: last year was an all time high. And when you

736
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,959
Speaker 4: have the shotgun plays rise, you lose the under center

737
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: versatility of the play action. Last year, play action was

738
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: at all time low, and play action passing still remains

739
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 4: a cheat code, you know. Play action passes still were

740
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: uber successful the last two years, even though passing as

741
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 4: a whole was some of the worst we've seen in

742
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 4: the two thousands. So there's like all these like pulling

743
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 4: factors that go into it. But the NFL is trying

744
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 4: to be cognitizantves they know that scoring has been bad

745
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,240
Speaker 4: the last year's they're, you know, hopefully the kickoff rules

746
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:34,879
Speaker 4: maybe you know, elevates some scoring. Maybe the hip drop tackles,

747
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: you know some you add some hidden yards in this

748
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 4: into this as well. But we have to be a

749
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 4: little bit concerned to where we are from a like

750
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: a current you know, defensive metastance, just because defenses are

751
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 4: kind of dictating the way the game is played now.

752
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: I mean, more passes are being thrown behind the line

753
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 4: of scrimmage than ever before. Air yards that continue to

754
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: go down. They've gone down four years in a row.

755
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 4: There's just like a lot of things here that are

756
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: like they are hard to see, like completely change. But

757
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 4: we've got a lot of good young quarterbacks. I think

758
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 4: in the ESPN article today, I think I read there

759
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: are only four starting quarterbacks this year in the NFL

760
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Speaker 4: that have won a Super Bowl, And that was like

761
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: mind blowing to me.

762
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: Wait a second, who would that be? It would be

763
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes obviously.

764
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford, Russell Wilson, and I'm missing one.

765
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Speaker 1: That's crazy.

766
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Speaker 3: I think that's it.

767
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: There's only four Aaron Rodgers, Rogers.

768
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Speaker 1: Getting that's a great point, and Rich everything you're saying

769
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: is brilliant and people should go check out the article

770
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: because your spot on and your stuff is so good

771
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: and so clarifying. None of us talked about Aaron Rodgers

772
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: and obviously massive risks coming back forty something years old

773
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: off the Achilles tendon tear. But it's interesting to me ESPN.

774
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 1: You just mentioned ESPN they put out a quarterbacks list today.

775
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,719
Speaker 1: We did not plan on doing our podcast list at

776
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,919
Speaker 1: the same time in the same day, but they put

777
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: it out. Their list had Aaron Rodgers. It feels a

778
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: little trolley to me, like Jet's bias Aaron Rodgers bias,

779
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: like not really thinking about the game. What is both

780
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: of your takes on Aaron Rodgers on a list like this,

781
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 1: either from Riches's perspective, which is winning a Super Bowl

782
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,919
Speaker 1: in the next year or two, and our perspective, which

783
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: is a guy you don't want to bet against or

784
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: a guy you want to bet on. Simon you start, Yeah.

785
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 2: I would say Rogers is just East been. Putting them

786
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 2: in their top ten makes sense. I mean ESPN's whole

787
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: goal is for you to click on their products. The

788
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: reason they talk about the Cowboys and the Lakers every day,

789
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: or the Yankees, whatever they do, it's just that's their

790
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: company's job. So yeah, Rogers in their top ten. Sure

791
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 2: you want to put a guy who hasn't played football

792
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 2: in two years, and you know he's forty one and

793
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 2: the last time we did se him play football first season,

794
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: he was terrible, his worst season of his career.

795
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: It all makes sense.

796
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 2: But from my Betty perspective chat, you know, I'm high

797
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 2: on the Jets, and it's because to me, they have

798
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 2: the most complete team right now. I love their offensive weapons,

799
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 2: I love their defensive weapons.

800
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 3: It's all there.

801
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 2: And I don't need Rogers to be a top ten

802
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 2: even a top fifteen quarterback. If you have him come

803
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: in and just be a Jimmy Garoppolo type, right the

804
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: guy that can make the right lead within the system.

805
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: That's the best quarterback the Jets have had in thirty

806
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: forty years. I mean it really is, because his skill

807
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 2: level is just that high. Like when we're hoping we

808
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 2: have those little moments with flashes of Rodgers that he

809
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: is his old top ten self, but I don't think

810
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,280
Speaker 2: that's gonna be consistent.

811
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Speaker 3: He's just too old, Chad. There's just too much times past, right.

812
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,439
Speaker 2: So the fear I think would be for Jets fans

813
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 2: is you're gonna get to Sean Watson, a guy who's

814
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 2: clearly lost it mentally and.

815
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 3: He can't find it again, like whatever. Whatever.

816
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 2: The Deshaun Watson we saw in Houston has not been

817
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: the guy we've ever seen on the Browns. That's the

818
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: fear for Jets fans. Just I can't see that with

819
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: with Rodgers. I just think he's not mentally weaked that way,

820
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: and the skill is there just because he's aged out.

821
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: I think he's aged out of this top ten. He's

822
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: just you can't get back into it if he had

823
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: a good run. Do we really think the runs can

824
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 2: because of Aaron Rodgers just because the pieces around him.

825
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm in sure here with rich things because

826
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: I just I'm not it's not it's not really shitting

827
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 2: on the guy. It's just he's forty one. We haven't

828
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: seen him play fotball in two years.

829
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, by the way, it's really what it was for me.

830
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why I kept him off, and we

831
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 4: really only seen one guy ever do this, even when

832
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: when I factor in just winning a super Bowl in

833
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 4: isolation this year, it's still betting on a forty one

834
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 4: year old quarterback, like there's only been one Tom Brady, Like,

835
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: it's hard, it's hard to consider that we're going to

836
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 4: get another one. I would say, Rogers does seem to

837
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 4: have like that much spite in him though to to

838
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: like not be.

839
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: Exactly That's why.

840
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: That's why it's like I don't want to I don't

841
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 2: want to bet against him like I would Watton, because

842
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 2: it's like there's no man more spiteful in football.

843
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, talk about clarifying Simon the way you just framed it.

844
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: A forty one year old guy who hasn't played in

845
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: two years, coming up from achilles injury, who's last season

846
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: was one of his worst. Yeah, And so I think

847
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: oftentimes with Rogers, you're so clouded by the talent and

848
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 1: what he can do as a quarterback.

849
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, rich touch on football, the defenses that have

850
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 2: never been more athletic than they are right now.

851
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 1: Check.

852
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,799
Speaker 2: Like when I talk to people in the league, they're

853
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: saying the football field has never been smaller. It just

854
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: is it's so small now because every guy is a freak.

855
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 2: These d backs are all super long and fast. The

856
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: d ns are all running like four four forties. It's

857
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: like football has just evolved so much now that the

858
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: defense have made the field so small with the cover

859
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: two style, where it's like that everyone's being treated like

860
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: they're mahomes now. Like Rich was saying, they want you

861
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: to dink in dunk downfield. It's why you know a

862
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 2: guy like Jalen Hurts, not that I'm saying he's the

863
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: best deep thrower, he has opportunities to throw the ball

864
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 2: down the field because the Eagles are a run first team.

865
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Speaker 2: There's not really any other teams like that, right, Like

866
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Speaker 2: the Chiefs are not a run first team. They're never

867
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Speaker 2: going to have the safeties coming down. So to Rich's point,

868
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Speaker 2: it's just it's a different league and we'll see if

869
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Speaker 2: Rogers can adjust to that, because just in three years,

870
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Speaker 2: the league has has really changed since he's been a starter.

871
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Speaker 4: And I wish I factored that into my Deshaun Watson

872
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 4: stuff from last year because I think when you look

873
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Speaker 4: at Deshaun Watson's play style, in a very similar fashion

874
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 4: to young Russell Wilson. It's just not conducive to ay

875
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 4: the league is playing right now. I mean you think

876
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 4: of Russell Wilson when he was absolutely thriving. I mean,

877
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,439
Speaker 4: no player would like extend plays. He wants a big

878
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 4: game hunt. He doesn't necessarily like throw in rhythm over

879
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 4: the middle of the field. And that's like where the

880
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 4: defense is. He they want to attack you now. They

881
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,360
Speaker 4: want you to attack right now. They want you to

882
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 4: beat you. You have to beat them in the quick

883
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 4: game and over the middle of the field. And that's

884
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Speaker 4: kind of like Deshaun Watson like doesn't really have that either.

885
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,680
Speaker 4: And I wonder if like that the current defensive metas

886
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: kind of played a role just outside of the other

887
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 4: factors with Deshaun Watson as well.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's how good these athletes are. The NFL is

889
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: doing everything it possibly can to make it impossible for

890
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 1: you to play defense, and they are so good at

891
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892
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,920
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's interesting thing about this list, right,

921
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 4: because I said, I'm actually fairly nebulous, Like I don't

922
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 4: have a lot of pushback if that Trevor Lawrence isn't

923
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 4: on your list, even if you're going by the same criteria.

924
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 4: I am right, Like, I think that that's already where

925
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 4: you like get to like a wide open area, like

926
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Speaker 4: what do we really have? And I thank God that

927
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Speaker 4: I'm not running into these franchises and have to give

928
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 4: out this money to these guys right that are in

929
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 4: kind of those limbo spots. I think it's very clearly

930
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Speaker 4: you've got like even though we list these guys one, two, three,

931
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 4: like Patrick Mahomes is widely number one, Like there's a

932
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 4: wide gap. You know, we're definitely in a zone where

933
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: he's in like a Jordan esque type ron and he

934
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: was mortal. Last year. The Chiefs gave you a chance

935
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 4: and they still won the Super Bowl last year. Like,

936
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Speaker 4: you know it's good.

937
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Speaker 1: Did you watch like you watch? I don't know if

938
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: you guys watched Receivers on Netflix at all yet. And

939
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: you know it's it's the same concept as the year

940
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: before with Quarterback the documentary with Mahomes and Kirk Cousins,

941
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: and this year it's Receivers. It's Devonte Adams and it's

942
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson, and it's George Kittle and Deebo Samuel and

943
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 1: and i'man Russ Saint Brown. The physicality in these games,

944
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: which we know about, it's nothing surprising, but when you

945
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: see the field level hits, these guys are all hurt

946
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: within two weeks, and not just like hurt, they are

947
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: physically transformed, like their ligaments aren't working. They can't lift

948
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: their arms, they can't move their feet, and they are

949
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: still going out there every week and playing. It is

950
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: a terrible game. I love it so much. It makes

951
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: me so happy, like I'm so excited for the season

952
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: to come back. But oh my god, the crunching of

953
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: the bodies from these defenders on these receivers is nightmarish.

954
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,399
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can play this game.

955
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 3: That's why we love it though, right ta they're gladiators.

956
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 2: And I think even when you talk about quarterbacks, Kirk

957
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: Cousins when he was on the show, The QB Show,

958
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: I think it was his wife was like wrapping up

959
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: the tape around in his like broken ribs, and it's like,

960
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 2: you know, he's got a game in three days.

961
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,240
Speaker 3: What he was talking amount. It's just that's the crazy

962
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: mentality we think about. But you know, me and.

963
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: Chat talked about it, like you thought last year was

964
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: a down season, which I get. I can't fault you

965
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: for that. A lot of people thought last year was

966
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 2: a down season the NFL, just from the watching perspective, right,

967
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: too much referee drama, not enough scoring, a lot of bs.

968
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 2: But I always joke with people, especially when around my

969
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: friends where we've been drinking, I tell him, go go

970
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: look at two thousand. You think two thousand and seven

971
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: was a great year, go look at a top ten

972
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: list of the best quarterback from two thousand and seven.

973
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: Go look at those names, and it's just it's just

974
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 2: different now where I do think we are in the

975
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: Golden Age. But it's just everything's gotten so much better.

976
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 2: The coaching really has gotten so much better, where like

977
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: back in the day, there was maybe five six guys

978
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 2: that were pretty good. Now that I mean, we could

979
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: go through a list, like there's ten guys who were

980
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: all pretty good at this right, there's always these up

981
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 2: and coming young guys.

982
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: With new ideas.

983
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: So that's just my view of it where I agree

984
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 2: with what you're saying, Chad, that, like the the quarterbacking

985
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: play does feel like it's taken a step down, but

986
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: I think it was because when you think of the past,

987
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: the past will always be sweeter.

988
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 3: When every you think of the past, it always tastes

989
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: a little sweeter.

990
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 2: But you're thinking back to yeah, Rogers, you know, had

991
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 2: fifty touchdowns and four interceptions and Tom Brady had fifty

992
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 2: three touchdowns and ten ares. I'm just like, yes, guys,

993
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: they all had peak seasons. I don't think we're going

994
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: to get back to those days, right. I just think

995
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 2: the game has changed so much now that you know

996
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: we're talking about Stafford, go look at Stafford's numbers from

997
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: last year.

998
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: Chat.

999
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: He really wasn't that great because they were a run

1000
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,479
Speaker 2: first team, and like that's the thing. Now football's changed

1001
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: where it's like the teams have had to adjust to

1002
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 2: this new cover two defense where it's like would you

1003
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,959
Speaker 2: rather throw the ball and risk it being taken picked

1004
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 2: off or judge to run it and you probably get

1005
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 2: four or five yards per carry just because the linebackers

1006
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: have dropped back. So I do get where you're coming

1007
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: from that there just feels like there's going to step back.

1008
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: But I just want people to remember it's like it's

1009
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: just that good now. The quality of football is so

1010
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: high right now that it just feels like the offenses

1011
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,240
Speaker 2: aren't as good. But it's like the defenses have changed,

1012
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 2: Like you just don't see single high safety like Rich

1013
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: has talked about Russell Wilson made a living off single

1014
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: high safety when he had Beast Moode in the backfield.

1015
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: Those days are just gone, Like teams just aren't going

1016
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 2: to be doing that anymore.

1017
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: And that's why you start to see I think this

1018
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 4: extension of this Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, coaching tree continue

1019
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 4: to get jobs in the NFL, and we had another

1020
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,480
Speaker 4: three guys get hired this offseason in Clint Kubiak, Brian

1021
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 4: Kyllahan and Zach Robinson. So we now have eleven teams

1022
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 4: that either have their head coach or offensive coordinator from

1023
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 4: that coaching tree, kind of leaving wow, which is basically

1024
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 4: a third of the league. And it inerently makes sense

1025
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 4: because you think of how teams are playing defense now

1026
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,280
Speaker 4: and what style of football, and there's some different different

1027
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 4: differentiation between like the McVeigh and Shanahan offense, but both

1028
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 4: of those teams want to they will exploit you. If

1029
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 4: you want to play pass coverage, they will run the

1030
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 4: football on you at their heart like in their in

1031
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 4: their heart of hearts. They will pound you in the

1032
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 4: run game and then they're gonna throw over the middle

1033
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 4: of the field. Both of those, both of those systems

1034
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 4: and the iterations of those systems like they attack the

1035
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: middle of the field. And I think it's it's not

1036
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 4: a coincidence that more guys from those coaching trees continue

1037
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:54,760
Speaker 4: to get hired.

1038
00:48:56,160 --> 00:49:00,280
Speaker 1: Listen. I would also recommend show that I started watching

1039
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: with my wife last night, America's Sweethearts, which is the

1040
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: series on inside the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders. It is riveting.

1041
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: It is so good. The people who make the choices

1042
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,720
Speaker 1: about who is going to make the Dallas Cowboys cheerleading

1043
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: squad are ruthless, Like it is like watching a football

1044
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: coach making physical judgments about the way someone looks, the

1045
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: way someone performs, the way someone acts, and cutting them

1046
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: on the spot, being so specific and critical about how

1047
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: people look, about how they look in the uniform. It

1048
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: is like, it is so honest about that, about that experience,

1049
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: it is insane.

1050
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,320
Speaker 3: Chad, you hear that. That was a sound of everyone

1051
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 3: turned off this podcast. Please cut all this.

1052
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:04,760
Speaker 1: Why it's so good?

1053
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 3: I know, but it's just like, what are you doing? No?

1054
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 3: Watch that?

1055
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 1: People? Should? I watched.

1056
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 4: I watched dragons that on that show?

1057
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:13,080
Speaker 1: What's that?

1058
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 4: How many dragons around the Americas?

1059
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1060
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was really good. Started watching the

1061
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: last night.

1062
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 3: It's like, I thought, you're going to talk about the boys,

1063
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: talk about Game of Thrones. No, chat's going into Dallas

1064
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: Cowboys cheerleaders.

1065
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: I will tell you. Look I was. I went to

1066
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: Iceland on vacation and a lot of Game of Thrones

1067
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: was shot in Iceland, and so we saw a bunch

1068
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: of the sets like that whole country looks like it's

1069
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones. And so I took a lot

1070
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: of pictures.

1071
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 3: What was the weather there? Was it in like the

1072
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: forties fifties?

1073
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was terrible, every day crazy in July forties fifties,

1074
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: missing gray, haunting, eerie, beautiful, beautiful country. Their marketing team

1075
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 1: has done a great job because I felt like I

1076
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: had to go to Iceland and uh, I'm glad I've

1077
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: done it. I don't need to go back. Loved it.

1078
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: Beautiful country. We got to get out of here. I

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