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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: I'm on vacation this week, so no monologue today, but

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Speaker 1: stay tuned for an interview with Matthew Turmond.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is Matthew Termont, investigative journalist, founder and head

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Speaker 2: of V twenty four Investigations.

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Speaker 3: Hi. Matthew, he Carol. I have to say, it's an

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Speaker 3: honor to be with you. I'm such a fan of

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Speaker 3: your work for so many years, and now we get

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Speaker 3: to be friends. That we're in the free state of Florida,

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Speaker 3: which is like such a.

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Speaker 2: Bonus it really is for you, really.

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Speaker 3: Such a New Yorker.

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Speaker 2: Obviously it's mutual. I have followed your work for a

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Speaker 2: long time and getting to know you has been amazing.

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Speaker 2: I feeling we don't see each other actually enough, which

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Speaker 2: is funny because we are both in South Florida and

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Speaker 2: you think, you know, we'd run in the same circle

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Speaker 2: for sure. So so you're wearing a cool shirt. Show

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Speaker 2: me your shirt it says buck Hamas got.

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Speaker 3: That in Israel in January, and I've had I had

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Speaker 3: an order of Bolsceonaro was He was with me for

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Speaker 3: a bit here in South Florida and we filmed the

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Speaker 3: video and he said, oh, I want to wear that shirt,

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Speaker 3: so awesome, that's really great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I meet a lot of Brazilians in

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Speaker 2: South Florida. Do you also know a lot of Brazilians here? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I was covering Brazil pretty pretty hard for

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Speaker 3: in ahead of the election. During the election, I was

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Speaker 3: on Tucker a lot and doing all sorts of media.

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Speaker 3: I think I was sort of the only English language

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Speaker 3: chicanery going on there on the ground. So my Brazilian

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Speaker 3: network is of Righty's is pretty good. The lefties there

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Speaker 3: hate me. There have been articles that I was to

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Speaker 3: blame for catalyzing and causing January eighth. There January sixth,

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Speaker 2: A lot of indications are the British leftists in America

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Speaker 3: In Brazil, h I mean, there's they are leftists everywhere.

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Speaker 3: have not excized or chemo that that metastasis as of yet,

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Speaker 3: so they're everywhere, But most of the Brazilians who are

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Speaker 3: expatriated who are here are here for that reason of

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Speaker 3: they see the hostility to freedom that has taken shape there.

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Speaker 3: And so there have been people here for generations, certainly,

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Speaker 3: They they're here because they've basically claimed asylum and they're

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Speaker 2: Is this Do you enjoy this kind of covering this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, that's something where I just kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had no idea that you do this like

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Speaker 3: Why you know, if they don't pay you, you can't

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Speaker 2: That's really crazy. I had no idea. You know. Actually,

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Speaker 2: Josh Hammer said, you know, you should talk to Matthew

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Speaker 2: So you mentioned your dad? Who was your dad?

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Speaker 3: So my father's name was Leopol Tairemont. He was a

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Speaker 2: Of do you feel like the pressure of who your

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Speaker 3: why they Brandy's Adrosney has a job is to you know,

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Speaker 3: she's an MSNBC NBC hat who goes after anybody on

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Speaker 3: the right who's at odds with their narrative and their

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Speaker 3: messaging and then tries to do hit pieces. I mean

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Speaker 3: when Visa Grant had a hit piece by by NBC

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Speaker 3: and Brandy's a Drosny, I told the visitare guys, they

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Speaker 3: were all freakd out by it all it's on her Wikipedia. No,

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Speaker 3: it's great, this is great, Its leveled up.

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Speaker 2: Right, everybody wants an MSNBC hip piece.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely wake up every day hoping yeah exactly. I mean,

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Speaker 3: this is actually validating. It shows that we're over the target.

443
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Speaker 3: If those who are monolithic, who are putting forward narratives

444
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Speaker 3: you disagree with, are now going to war with you

445
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Speaker 3: as a person, not your ideas, that's winning and do

446
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Speaker 3: have hope.

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Speaker 2: So do you see this cultural problem not happening in

448
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Speaker 2: some countries or is it everywhere?

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Speaker 3: I think it's everywhere everywhere where. The left has had

450
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Speaker 3: a stranglehold on what I call the revolving door of

451
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Speaker 3: government think tanks slash NGOs as they call them in

452
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Speaker 3: Europe and the rest of the world. The media, the

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Speaker 3: global bodies that are unelected but appointed by technocrats and

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Speaker 3: are technocrafts, the wto the WHO, the imat the World Bank,

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Speaker 3: the United Nations, everywhere where they've gotten a foothold in

456
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Speaker 3: they have broken down a sort of honest journalism, because

457
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Speaker 3: it's that revolving door between them who are globally technocratically

458
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Speaker 3: oriented and those media outlets where they work hand in

459
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Speaker 3: glove together to set the narrative, to coerse the people.

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Speaker 3: I look at the EU sort of an expert on

461
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Speaker 3: the EU's history from formation. It was sold as a

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Speaker 3: trade deal, initially to regulate colon steel the European Colon

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Speaker 3: and Stee Commission in nineteen forty eight, because those are

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Speaker 3: the two inputs that that would be necessary for mechanized

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Speaker 3: warfare as we saw coming out of World War Two.

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Speaker 3: Sort of noble, but it quickly morphed into French and German,

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Speaker 3: especially French academics and later German economic interest, into a

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Speaker 3: control mechanism that they would be able to subtly undermine

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Speaker 3: free peoples and sovereign nations. We saw that with the

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Speaker 3: referendum that they've held. You know, they held a referendum

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Speaker 3: like Lisbon and it didn't go their way. They canceled it,

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Speaker 3: said that it was it was not done right, and

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Speaker 3: then they hold it when there would be lower turnout

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Speaker 3: during Christmas that year. You know, the Austrian election with

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Speaker 3: Norbert Hoefer was another example. You know, they subverted democracy

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Speaker 3: in the in the pursuit of their claim of purifying

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Speaker 3: democracy or protecting democracy.

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Speaker 2: To destroy democracy in order to preserve democracy.

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Speaker 3: It reminds me of what Pelosi said about the PPACA,

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Speaker 3: the bomb Care Act in two thousand dollars a healthcare

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Speaker 3: Portfoying a analyst, you have to pass it to see

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Speaker 3: what's in it. That is an incredible undermining of democracy,

483
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Speaker 3: and that's only gotten worse in at least in the

484
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Speaker 3: US and congressional actions where massive bills and nobody gets

485
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Speaker 3: to read them. You just have to pass them. You

486
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Speaker 3: have to pass them based on whatever you want in it.

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Speaker 3: But you don't get to see what else you're voting

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Speaker 3: for if you're elected member, unless you're on the committee

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Speaker 3: that drafted it. So I'm worried, certainly, but I'm always

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Speaker 3: I'm eternally an optimist and hopeful because the will of

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Speaker 3: the people is stronger than the coercion of the technocrafts.

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Speaker 3: Why we have revolutions. The question is do we get

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Speaker 3: to a violent revolution. I would hope not. I think not.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully we can engage in revolution, using ideas and using

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Speaker 3: the powers that we are endowed with first by our

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Speaker 3: creator and then codified by the definition of independence and

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Speaker 3: the Constitution. And that is the strongest, most robust, systemic

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Speaker 3: codification of natural law that humanity has ever come together on.

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Speaker 3: It's not coincidental, coming after the Enlightenment and Adam Smith

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Speaker 3: that this come together as it has. But we have to,

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Speaker 3: as ed Fulner says, there are no permanent victories, no

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Speaker 3: permanent defeats, So we always have to be vigilant on

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Speaker 3: protecting these codifications that protect our rights, because as we

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Speaker 3: see COVID, great example, it was always going to be

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Speaker 3: a public healthcare crisis that was going to get people

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Speaker 3: scared enough to seed over their rights, whether it's to bodom,

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Speaker 3: the autonomy, or the right to assembly, which is codified

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Speaker 3: in the First Amendment. Now, of course the right to

509
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Speaker 3: assembly was not good for people like us. It was

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Speaker 3: good if you want to tear down the cities in

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Speaker 3: the pursuit of racial social justice, then it was convenient.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to take a quick break and be

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Speaker 2: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. So do you

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Speaker 2: miss Brooklyn, No, not at all. Not even Brooklyn of

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Speaker 2: our youth.

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Speaker 3: Not even a little. And I grew up in the

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Speaker 3: Brooklyn still in the eighties where it was like stickball

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Speaker 3: in the street. Yeah, you know, we public school in Knarci,

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Speaker 3: you know, and then Midwood High School, which is when

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Speaker 3: he Allen went. I mean, this was a quintessential Brooklyn upbringing.

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Speaker 3: And Brooklyn obviously changed a lot. But I've been fed

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Speaker 3: up with New York. I've been trying to get out

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Speaker 3: of New York for a long long time. It was

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Speaker 3: just expedient to stay as I got involved more in

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Speaker 3: public policy and journalism because it was still the center

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Speaker 3: of the world of modern day Rome and I had

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Speaker 3: an excel a to d C, which I was doing

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Speaker 3: pretty much on a weekly basis for about four or

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Speaker 3: five years. I was very involved with public policy in Washington.

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Speaker 3: But I was happy to get out of New York.

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Speaker 3: I've been wanting to move to Florida three years a.

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Speaker 3: I have a visceral dislike for taxes. I just don't

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Speaker 3: like them, you know. You know.

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Speaker 2: I'm also not pro.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like to, you know, within full compliance

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Speaker 3: of legal statute. I like to avoid them as much

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Speaker 3: as legally possible, and you know, this is a great alternative.

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Speaker 3: In Florida. I do a lot of stuff that I

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Speaker 3: think is remunerative, even though journalism is not one of those.

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Speaker 3: And I'd like to protect those hard earned earnings from

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Speaker 3: the federal governments and the state governments as much as

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Speaker 3: I can. And I'm a warm where the person I

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Speaker 3: like the carry a gun now regular of course, I

544
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Speaker 3: get a million death threats every day, so another reason

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Speaker 3: to to exercise my Second Amendment right, which exists to

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Speaker 3: protect the First Amendment, and in my case also you know,

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Speaker 3: the right to life my life. So I'm very very

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Speaker 3: happy in Florida. If I never stepped foot in New

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Speaker 3: York again, I'll be okay with that. Problem is my

550
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Speaker 3: mother is still in Brooklyn, and I told him that

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Speaker 3: I would helped move her, and she said, you'll get

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Speaker 3: me out of this apartment when you pry my cat

553
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Speaker 3: for my cold dead hand. So there's very little So

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Speaker 3: I still have to go to New York a little

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Speaker 3: bit to see her because I love my mother and

556
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Speaker 3: she's all out my family wise, my mother and my sister.

557
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Speaker 3: My sister's still also in New York. She's outside the city.

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Speaker 3: She's in Rockland or Orange County. But so I do

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Speaker 3: have to go back a little. But I mean it's

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Speaker 3: become the cesspool that I've always predicted. I knew Eric

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Speaker 3: Adams when he was a cop. He was in the

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Speaker 3: precinct next to mine and in Brooklyn South Acrossman Park.

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Speaker 3: He was nineteen ninety eight or ninety nine. He started

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Speaker 3: a radical activist union for black cops called one hundred

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Speaker 3: Blacks and Law Enforcement.

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Speaker 2: And yet he was the most same candidate of the bunch.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't even close. It was like he was clearly

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Speaker 2: the only one that we could even.

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Speaker 3: Remotely as a dam I mean, Joe Lodo would have

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Speaker 3: been kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: He's well, yes, I mean I'm talking about anybody who listen.

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Speaker 2: I like myself from Joel Lodo. But I'm saying anybody

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Speaker 2: who had a shot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I look, I would have voted for him

575
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Speaker 3: because at least you figure he's going to be tough

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Speaker 3: on crime, because he was a career cop and represented

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Speaker 3: you know, union interest. But he's he goes. Look, I

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Speaker 3: even view his views on Israel now as sort of faustian.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't. Look. I don't think he's an incredible file Semite.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a New York politician now and says

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Speaker 3: I want Jewish Democrat support. So even his full throated

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Speaker 3: support of Israel the last six seven months, I think

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Speaker 3: is predicated on this calculus, not that he has any

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Speaker 3: you know, moral clarity or you know vision on a

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Speaker 3: better adjust society. I think he is purely a politician

586
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Speaker 3: in the worst case now. And I recognize that in

587
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Speaker 3: the nineties when he started this sort of union activist

588
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Speaker 3: group along racial lines, that this guy was going to

589
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Speaker 3: be very political for a long time. So I don't

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Speaker 3: miss New York. Happy here. I was living in Chicago

591
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Speaker 3: part time, and believe it or not, I actually loved Chicago.

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Speaker 3: I have missed Chicago. I love Chicago. Struck went to your.

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Speaker 2: Chicago worst opinion you have? What do you think.

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Speaker 3: I've I've got many bad opinions, Struggle.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I know, I'm just saying this is the worst

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Speaker 2: of the bunch.

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Speaker 3: No, Chicago's such an awesome city. I like Midwestern people.

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Speaker 3: I like the sort of the bottom me that people

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Speaker 3: in Chicago have versus I was there. Look, I was

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Speaker 3: there in September eleventh. I watched the second plane hit

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Speaker 3: from the belt Parkway. It was driving back to Brooklyn

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Speaker 3: after being a long island that a m and I

603
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Speaker 3: watched the second plane hit. So when I see, you know,

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Speaker 3: the idiots on Twitter saying September eleventh was an inside job.

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Speaker 3: So I literally watched the second plane. You know, I

606
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Speaker 3: come over a rise past JFK. If you're on the

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Speaker 3: Belt Parkway on the south part of Brooklyn on a

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Speaker 3: clear it's a beautiful clear day, you could see you

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Speaker 3: can always see the lowermanhad skylight across Brooklyn, which is

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Speaker 3: relatively flat, and I'm, you know, big billowing black smoke

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Speaker 3: because it was a southeasterly breeze coming over Brooklyn, and

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Speaker 3: so come over a rise. Everybody's out of their car

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Speaker 3: like in the scene in Independence Day, that movie from

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Speaker 3: the nineties. Uh. And then just standing there for fifteen minutes,

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Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, the second plane goes around,

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Speaker 3: hits the backside of the building, and you saw the

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Speaker 3: fireball come out. So I mean that is indelibly imprinted

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Speaker 3: on my mind. And then going back to my neighborhood,

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Speaker 3: papers were already flying across Brooklyn because of that breeze

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Speaker 3: from the World Trade Center towers. So I'll never forget that.

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Speaker 3: But I remember right after September eleventh, people in New

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Speaker 3: York were really nice and civil. Everybody who's holding the

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Speaker 3: door for each.

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Speaker 2: Other, this is our golden moment.

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Speaker 3: Really, it was insane. I'd never seen that. I grew

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Speaker 3: up in New York. I mean I used to cut

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Speaker 3: school and just ride the rails, Depression style, just hop

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Speaker 3: on the subway, go all over the city and just

629
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Speaker 3: get to know the city through the subway system, get

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Speaker 3: off in different neighborhoods and walk around, and you know,

631
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Speaker 3: the nastiness of New Yorkers, much like Philadelphians and Bostonians.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of inks filled on the subject.

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Speaker 3: I mean, had this many people crowded into a small space,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. All the reasonings, but for those

635
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Speaker 3: week to two weeks after Supember eleventh, the civility and

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Speaker 3: warp that people had for their fellow citizens was like

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Speaker 3: nothing had ever seen. That lasted a couple of weeks

638
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Speaker 3: and then it went sort of mean reversion.

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Speaker 2: But I always think that the reason that that happened,

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Speaker 2: and actually I think that that happened right after nine

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Speaker 2: to eleven. And then we had a blackout in two

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Speaker 2: thousand and three, And there was also that was also

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Speaker 2: a very civil moment. People helped their old neighbors, you know,

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Speaker 2: carry things up, you know, ten flights of stairs and

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Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff. But I think what it

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Speaker 2: was was we saw the outpouring of love for the

647
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 2: nine to eleven heroes, and everybody wanted to be a hero.

648
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: It was like the moment of I want to be

649
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 2: like those men who rushed into the buildings, and you

650
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: couldn't be that, So you're going to carry somebody's you know,

651
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: groceries up the stairs. It was a smaller level, but

652
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: it was the being a hero became something that everybody

653
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: wanted to be.

654
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 3: You know. It was New York's finest and bravest at

655
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 3: their you know, greatest moment. And Juliani was America's mayor

656
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 3: and the world's mayor, you know, as a result of

657
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 3: how he handled that situation. And Funny mentioned the blackout.

658
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: I hadn't thought about that while I was looking for

659
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 3: a hedge fund in Midtown. And the blackout happened around

660
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: four ten pm because the trading day was over, but

661
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 3: we were reconciling trades and doing all the sort of

662
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: post trading day activities and everything went black. We had

663
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: generators for lights and stuff in the building, but like everything,

664
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 3: all the systems with the New York Stock Exchange went

665
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: down everything, so we couldn't do anything. So we went

666
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: to PJ. Clark's on Third Avenue.

667
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 2: I think I went to PJ. Clarks too.

668
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: It was amazing see you there. Yeah, it was crowded,

669
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,479
Speaker 3: I remember, and we were drinking and I, you know,

670
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 3: there was stop lights weren't working. Nothing was working. And

671
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: I lived on fourteenth I'm sorry. At that point I

672
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 3: looked on twenty eighth Street and so I slowly made

673
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 3: my way downtown and walked and stopping and they were

674
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 3: giving free beer, they were giving free ice cream, all

675
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: the stuff that was ready. Yeah, So I ended up

676
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: kind of hanging all night. And I was living with

677
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 3: my friend and all of our friends who had to

678
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 3: commute back to you know, the suburbs of the Outer Burroughs.

679
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 3: They were stuck in Manhattan. So in our apartment we

680
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: had like ten people. So I wasn't in a rush

681
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 3: to get back to a small apartment of ten people.

682
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 3: So I ended up like meandering my way through the

683
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: city until about five am. Got back and then had to,

684
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 3: you know, walk up the stairs and then the trading

685
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 3: day was canceled that day until the next day. But yeah,

686
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 3: you're right, it was everybody. It was like a party

687
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 3: on the street. I walked down Third Avenue and a

688
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: block party, streets, drinking, hanging, it was. It was an

689
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: interesting time.

690
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 2: So you've lived this like exciting life where you've just

691
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: a You've done so many different things. I feel like

692
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: I've learned like ten new you know, Terman stories during

693
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: this interview. Do you feel like you've made it? No?

694
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: You know the I think to suggest, at least for me,

695
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 3: the way I'm wired to say that I made it

696
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: would then what do I do. I go play golf

697
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: every day, I retire. I don't even like the beach.

698
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: I've lived in Miami now for three years and a month.

699
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: Another bad opinion.

700
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I've been to the beach three times because

701
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: I had at a town guest who wanted to go,

702
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 3: and I sat there for an hour and it was

703
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: like bored. I'm not a beach per. I've got a pool,

704
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: which i've also gotten in about three times. I'm hungry

705
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 3: to do the things that I like to do, and

706
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 3: I've got the thing where I think I've made it

707
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 3: is that I've got the luxury of being able to

708
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 3: do what I want to do. I can work with

709
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: the people I want to work with. I can cover

710
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: the stories, I can engage, you know, work with the

711
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: companies doing the corporate finance stuff that I do, the

712
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: banking work, the investing and the venture investing. I get

713
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 3: to do what I want to do. But if I

714
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 3: feel like.

715
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: I'm making it though, that's it.

716
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: You know, I'm just every day I wake up, I'm

717
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: like t fires.

718
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: I think it's the death threats. But okay, you're fine.

719
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: I you know, as one of my mentors who say,

720
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 3: you're honored by your friends, distinguished by your enemies, I've

721
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 3: got great enemies, and you know, the death threats don't

722
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: really bother me. They did last year when they came,

723
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 3: and there's some of them were credible and I had

724
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: to have the FBI investigate them and that kind of shit.

725
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 3: But like buying large, that doesn't really I don't lose

726
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 3: any sleepover that I lose sleepover. There's not enough hours

727
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: in the day to get done all the things, and

728
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: I try and impose realistic deadlines on myself and the

729
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 3: people that I work with, and I am religious about

730
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 3: maintaining like you know, never over promise and under deliver.

731
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 3: Always under promise and over deliver when it's a timeline

732
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 3: or work output. And I'm just always drinking from a

733
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 3: fire hose because I take on too much. So I'm

734
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: always stressed. But I have this luxury of doing what

735
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 3: I want to do, so I guess it's my own

736
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: fault that I take on too much. I have too

737
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: many interesting things that are like grappling for you know,

738
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 3: the ability to do the work entailing committing to these things.

739
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: But if I feel like I fully made it, then

740
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 3: it's like, okay, I'm going to retire. I'm not the

741
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 3: type of person who's ever going to retire. I'm never

742
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 3: going to like move to a gated community. I mean,

743
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 3: if I raise a family, sure, but like you know,

744
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 3: South Florida, maybe go raise a.

745
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: Family, you know, family. Where is that, missus Titerman at this.

746
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: Point, Well, you're already taken, and I love your husbands,

747
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: so I don't know.

748
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 2: It's just a good line. It's a good line.

749
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 3: Find me someone. I mean, all right, I'm on it.

750
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 3: The problem is that I'm like so married to all

751
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: the things that I do, and that I need to

752
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 3: find somebody who is similarly wired, independent, intellectual, professional, driven

753
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 3: by the life of the mind, hungry to do things.

754
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: I've been in too many relationships where the relationship was

755
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 3: all about the relationship, and that just bores me to

756
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 3: tears and makes me ends up with me being hostile

757
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 3: because it's you know, I've got a lot of things

758
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: that I want to do. We're only on this earth

759
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 3: for you know, God willing eighty to one hundred years.

760
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 3: I got to walk more, I think, so I meet

761
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 3: that target that you know, the pie is only this big.

762
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 3: And I am a little bit annoyed with myself. My

763
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 3: mother's really annoyed with me that I'm forty three and

764
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 3: I do not have a wife and kids yet. And

765
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 3: that's definitely on top of the priority list now. But

766
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: you know, the idea of retiring, I'm just not wired

767
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:21,879
Speaker 3: that way. I will work to the day I die

768
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: because I love what I do. It's reading and writing

769
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: and talking and connecting people to get things done and

770
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 3: building companies and creating jobs and exposing corruption. I mean,

771
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 3: I just you know this guy. I'm sure you saw

772
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 3: the AfD story of Maximilian cry the guy who said

773
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: that the SS weren't all criminals, and that was the

774
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 3: final straw that broke the camel's back that you know,

775
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: got Lapen in the French to push out the a

776
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: f D from their their their electoral coalition in the

777
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 3: European Union. I've been covering this guy for two years

778
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 3: about how he was on Russia, China, Iran and guitars payroll.

779
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 3: I've been like exposing the New York and Republicans were

780
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: inviting him to shit and I was like, no, you

781
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: can't do that. This guy is the most corrupt guy

782
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 3: in Europe. He's literally taking money from the Axis of Evil.

783
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 3: And they're like, no, no, he's famous, we want to

784
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: be around him. So I mean that was one of

785
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: the reasons I think I broke with that club, as

786
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 3: they were really annoyed about my public condemnation of one

787
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 3: of their famous European parliamentary guests. I know all the

788
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: European parliamentarians on the right. They're not the greatest group.

789
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 3: Some of them are Robert rus and Holland is amazing.

790
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: Most of them are schmucks, like most politicians. So it's

791
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 3: like there's no like fame is like so sexy and

792
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: attractive when you're dealing with politicians, as you and I

793
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: have dealt with for so many years. We know politicians.

794
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 3: To know them is to realize, Hey, how vallible they are,

795
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 3: how duplicitous they are, how venal they are. So I'd

796
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 3: rather go after them.

797
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 2: I'm sexy for sure, yeah, than.

798
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: Be friends of them. So I exposed this guy. Finally

799
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 3: they go after him. His chief aid in Brussels is

800
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: a Chinese national who I exposed ages ago. They finally

801
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 3: arrest the Chinese national aid who had chartered a company

802
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 3: in this guy's hometown in Dresden, which was the money

803
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: laundering facilitator for the Chinese money going into his pocket.

804
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 3: And I've been covering this for ages. They finally arrested

805
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: him a few weeks ago because he got the European

806
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 3: Union election coming up. And I had spread this everywhere.

807
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 3: I sent this to journalists around Europe. I'd sent this

808
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 3: to you know, law enforcement agencies around Europe to you know,

809
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 3: get this guy. And they finally get them, and you

810
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: know this, this is what I live for, is you know,

811
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: And I've got a big list of targets of people

812
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: that should be exposed on their merits. It's not personal,

813
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: it's you know. I remember when I met the guy

814
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: in a YR event and he offered me his hand,

815
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: and so I think maybe the only time in my

816
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 3: life I didn't shake somebody's hand. I said, I'm not

817
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 3: going to shake your hand. I don't want any of

818
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: your stink on me.

819
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 2: Abrasive with a smile. Yeah, I love it well. I

820
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 2: loved having you on. You're a fantastic guest. I feel

821
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: like I could talk to you for a few more

822
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: hours about all the different things that you've touched on,

823
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: but end here with your best tip for my listeners

824
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: on how they can improve their lives.

825
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 3: Friends, family, relationships that are not toxic. If you feel

826
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: like you're in hostage to a toxic relationship, get out

827
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 3: of it, even if it's long standing. You will feel better.

828
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 3: That includes relationships you know in terms of you know

829
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 3: spousal or you know boyfriend, girlfriend, like, don't stay in

830
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: relationships that are toxic. Very hard for people to remove

831
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 3: themselves from these things, but you will have a much

832
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 3: more happy, fulfilled life if you're not adding to your

833
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: own stress by the people around you, and having great

834
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: people around you intelligent people, people who you don't have

835
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: to agree on everything. I mean, I'm friend, I mean

836
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 3: I argue with Josh Hammer all the time. I mean,

837
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 3: he thinks he knows everything about everything. He's like thirty five.

838
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 3: You know, I'm more of a.

839
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: Feeling like he does know everything about everything.

840
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: But okay, no, no, no, I see you. We can

841
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: disagree with this, but he's my brother. I love him

842
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: as a groomsman his wedding. You don't. And I tell

843
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: him this all the time when he gets heated about stuff,

844
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: I say, look, you don't have to agree on everything.

845
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 3: You just have to offer up your views and be

846
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: willing to debate them in good faith, not try and

847
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 3: hit people with a sledgehammer and force them to comport

848
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: and adhere to what you think or what you believe.

849
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 3: I even have a few lefty friends, not many, but

850
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,760
Speaker 3: a few lefty friends. Most of them have purged me out. Okay,

851
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 3: so be it. You know, the people around you make

852
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 3: for a happy life. We are you know. Plato wrote

853
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 3: about this, Like Aristotle, we are social creatures, and we

854
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 3: need the validation of other people. Not the validation of

855
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 3: them agreeing with everything, just the validation of a back

856
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 3: and forth. That keeps a sharp and honest, self critical

857
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 3: at times. That is, to me, the most valuable thing.

858
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: And I think people need to walk more. I'm trying

859
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 3: to walk five miles a day, so.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to work

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Speaker 2: that into my schedule.

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Speaker 3: Look, if you do calls, yeah, I spend most of

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Speaker 3: my day on the phone. So I've over the last

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Speaker 3: six months, I've discovered I can do calls while walking.

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Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, I'll do like seven or

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Speaker 3: eight or nine calls and I've walked like seven or

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Speaker 3: eight miles. It's great.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna call you

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Speaker 2: and we're going to walk.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he is.

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Speaker 2: Matthew Turmand. You are fantastic head of B twenty four Investigations.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on the show. And

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Speaker 2: if you have a nice Jewish girl from Matthew in

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Speaker 2: South Florida, drop me a line. Let's let's make this happen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to crowdsource this. We got to crowdsource

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Speaker 3: my family life.

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Speaker 2: I think that's that's the way to go. Thank you

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Speaker 2: so much, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: Thanks girl, Thanks so much for joining us on The

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