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Speaker 1: Welcome back to more to It, to show that takes

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Speaker 1: a deep dive into the biggest stories in sports, entertainment

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Speaker 1: and culture, start with headline news and then journey to

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Speaker 1: deeper conversations, always finding those life lessons that are presented

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Speaker 1: in every single story. I'm your host, ourselves while that dude,

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Speaker 1: what's up with that dude? Well went through Bloody Friday

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Speaker 1: like all of us did. Right, We're all invested in

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Speaker 1: the sports media. We all saw what happened at ESPN

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty plus. People laid off, not renewed, fired, whatever

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Speaker 1: you want to say, not coming back. Basically had a

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Speaker 1: couple of calls with a couple of dudes on that

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Speaker 1: list and just diving through it like everybody else, not emotionally,

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Speaker 1: but at the same time, just trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how this deck is gonna get reshuffled. You know, where

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Speaker 1: are they going? Why did they have to go? Why

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Speaker 1: did some of them stay? Man, it's just all over

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Speaker 1: the place, right, it's certainly not merit based, or if

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Speaker 1: it is, we don't know that objective standard, Like whatever

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Speaker 1: criteria is they're using, it's not being universally applied.

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Speaker 2: You just look at it like damn jeff Van Gundygune,

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Speaker 2: Hell he do.

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Speaker 1: To somebody unless he's gonna coach somewhere. That made no sense.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Rose the only baller I think. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know you got Richard Jefferson, so let me not

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Speaker 1: say that, etc.

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Speaker 2: But damn, Jalen Rose ain't got a spot there.

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Speaker 1: But once you know, Jalen Jakobe was going when I

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Speaker 1: tell you, guys, once they started removing you, moving you around,

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Speaker 1: removing this and that, they just start chipping away at you.

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Speaker 1: Same thing with Max Killeman obviously and Keishawn obviously been

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Speaker 1: there forever, but a lot of shows under his belt,

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Speaker 1: so you know, knowing those guys, knowing that they're gonna

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Speaker 1: land on their feet. But just where I think that's

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Speaker 1: the most interesting part, just seeing it's like free agency,

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Speaker 1: you got cut. Oh man, you're still a baller though.

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Speaker 1: All right, well it was that's they're bad. Now it's

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Speaker 1: time for me to do my good and go somewhere

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Speaker 1: else and kill it. So interested to see where everyone

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Speaker 1: goes outside of that. I had a podcast to do

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Speaker 1: with the Buffalo Bills. That was fun a little nervous

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Speaker 1: because I was like, I hope they don't ask me

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Speaker 1: about the backup guard. You know I'm a Bills fan.

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Speaker 1: You know I'm a Chargers fan. You know I'm a

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Speaker 1: Cowboys fan. You know I'm a Jaguars fan. And what's

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Speaker 1: the one team I love that I didn't play for

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Speaker 1: the Ravens. Yes, I'm a fan, but I don't know

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Speaker 1: any of their backup guards, including the Chargers. And I

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Speaker 1: go to every single game at home, so I don't

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Speaker 1: like diving too far into the weeds of the game

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Speaker 1: with these teams and their local podcasts. But I got

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Speaker 1: love for them, so I always jump on there. And

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Speaker 1: there's a sophisticated way to answer every single question.

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Speaker 2: Even if ill prepared.

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Speaker 1: That's why I laugh when I see some people get

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Speaker 1: on interviews and just stumble and mumble and don't say anything.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, or.

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Speaker 1: Plead the fifth basically like tap out, and I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you can't answer any question, even if you don't know

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Speaker 1: relatable and then just give them some God dang, don't

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Speaker 1: make it so hard. Don't be so difficult. Now, speaking

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Speaker 1: of difficult, I feel horrible. Let me tell you why.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday I had a call with a huge organization.

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Speaker 2: Now, it wasn't my first call with this organization.

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Speaker 1: We had taken the call before a zoom.

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Speaker 2: Really excited about our efforts going forward.

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Speaker 1: And then we had a second call, and that was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be on Wednesday. But somebody that y'all know

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Speaker 1: that looks just like me and sounds just like me

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Speaker 1: wrote the email but didn't hit send.

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Speaker 2: It was stuck in my drafts. Now, I can't lie.

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Speaker 1: I'm using a lot of Mac dot Com, which I

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Speaker 1: love to use, and I'm using a lot of Google Gmail,

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Speaker 1: which I love the features, but I'm not as familiar.

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Speaker 2: I can't lie. So sometimes I get.

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Speaker 1: Caught up and lost, things get lost in translation or

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Speaker 2: And next thing I.

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Speaker 1: Know, I'm looking at my email like they ain't gonna

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Speaker 1: ever send me to invite. They ain't gonna ever just

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Speaker 1: holler back, And turns out I never hollered at them,

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Speaker 1: so they were just sitting there like, I guess we

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Speaker 2: I was ah, So then I rescheduled that for Friday.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know it was gonna be bloody Friday, like

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Speaker 1: interview interview, interview phone call phone call, Yo, your boy's

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Speaker 1: Ah, what the hell? I looked up and missed our call.

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Speaker 1: So now it's the holiday weekend. I'm sitting over here tortured.

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Speaker 1: I wrote them back, you know, heartfelt for real, but

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, I'm not this guy.

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Speaker 1: I am not this person. I am not a flake,

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Speaker 1: and I want to work with you guys. They probably

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Speaker 1: sitting back, just like, look, dog, it's fourth of July.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna make you sweat. Were eating our hot dogs,

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Speaker 1: drinking out tequila? Shut up, leave us alone. Know they

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Speaker 1: drinking their eight beer there, Troy Aikman beercause it is

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Speaker 1: fourth July, and go America, right, oh man. So hopefully

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Speaker 1: they respond so I could get some of this guilt

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Speaker 2: I love you, Jenna, I love you. Please hit your

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Speaker 2: boy back. All right.

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Speaker 1: Now, let's talk about something serious here, because boy, you're

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Speaker 1: talking about polarizing.

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Speaker 2: Let's go. The Supreme Court rejects affirmative action.

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Speaker 1: In ruling on universities using race in emissions decisions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah y'all heard me, yep, turn that back.

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Speaker 1: So the US Supreme Court handed down a major ruling

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Speaker 1: on affirmative action, rejecting the use of race as a

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Speaker 1: factor in college admissions as a violation of the Fourteenth

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Speaker 1: Amendments Equal Protection claus. Now, how many amendments we got?

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Speaker 1: Got dag I forgot. I gotta go back to the

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Speaker 1: eighth grade or someone. They wrote it, They wrote the Constitution.

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Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, we killed that.

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Speaker 2: Stamp it. Brother, put the feather tip ping up. You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: We ain't gonna ever have to do nothing again. They

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Speaker 1: fourteen Amendment. I've probably got way more than that. So

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Speaker 1: in a six ' to three decision, Chief Justice John

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Speaker 1: Roberts wrote in the majority opinion that quote, a benefit

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Speaker 1: to a student who overcame racial discrimination, for example, must

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Speaker 1: be tied to that student's courage and determination. Okay, that

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Speaker 1: makes sense, right, Like, I don't care where you are

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Speaker 1: jumping up and down talkingborrow, My opinion is right, that

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Speaker 1: makes sense. Right, whenever you want to talk about someone's race,

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Speaker 1: applies to them in specific ways.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You don't want to just be jenerally, oh, just because

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Speaker 1: let's talk to it. So or a benefit to a

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Speaker 1: student who's heritage or culture motivating him or heard to

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Speaker 1: be tied to that student's unique ability to tribute to

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Speaker 1: the university. In other words, the student must be treated

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Speaker 1: on the basis of race. That's what the opinion says.

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Speaker 1: Who has a problem with that? Raising hand? Okay, I

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Speaker 1: don't see any hands raise. Look what he's trying to

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Speaker 1: do is say, look, a lot of people are hiding

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Speaker 1: behind their history.

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Speaker 2: In a good way or a bad way, right in

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Speaker 2: affirmative action.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, I think this hall started with the Asian Americans

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Speaker 1: basically saying that they're being held to a different standard

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Speaker 1: than the Latino and black students. They were saying, specifically,

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Speaker 2: Right? Why are they being held differently as Asian Americans? Right?

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Speaker 1: Interesting, that's a great point, right, So let's talk through

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Speaker 2: Many universities have far.

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Speaker 1: Too long just done the opposite, as we know, and

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Speaker 1: in doing so they have concluded wrongly. This is his

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Speaker 1: quote that the test stone of an individual's identity is

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Speaker 1: not challenges best at, skills built, or lessons learned, but

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Speaker 1: the color of their skin. Our constitutional history does not

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Speaker 1: tolerate that choice.

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Speaker 2: All right. So that was Justice.

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Speaker 1: John Roberts and his opinion. Here's Clarence Thomas. Everybody knows

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Speaker 1: who Clarence Thomas is. You go way back. Wasn't Anita

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Speaker 1: been killing Clarence Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: All his rulings, but every time I hear about Clarence Thomas,

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Speaker 1: I'm certain that people are mad at him. It seemed

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Speaker 2: All right, So this.

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Speaker 1: Is he agreed with the majority opinion, but he wrote

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Speaker 1: a separate concurrence with his own thoughts.

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Speaker 2: He said, the decision.

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Speaker 1: To see the universities admission policies for what they are,

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Speaker 1: rudderless race based preferences designed to ensure a particular racial

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Speaker 1: mix in their entering classes. Those policies fly in the

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Speaker 1: In short, they are plainly and boldly unconstitutional. While I

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Speaker 1: Independence and the Constitution of the United States, that all

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Speaker 1: treated equally before the law. That's what Justice Clarence Thomas wrote.

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Speaker 1: All right, enough with what they wrote, Now let's talk

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Speaker 1: in general. We're at a place like a chicken and

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Speaker 1: came first. Slavery came first. We know what came from slavery,

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Speaker 1: this social economic gap and a head start for one

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Speaker 1: and everyone else, especially when you talk about outside the

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Speaker 1: white race being in a different position, right, we get it.

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Speaker 2: And there were staggerings right and the back.

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Speaker 1: Obviously were black Americans, African Americans, whatever you want to say,

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Speaker 1: and how you designated that said black people weren't the

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Speaker 1: if you look through American history, you can see Italians

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Speaker 1: the same as the WASP, as they would say, correct,

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Speaker 1: we get it all.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So now you're at a place where we're in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty three and people are asking, and that's why this

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Speaker 1: came to a head Asian Americans in college especially, are

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Speaker 1: we going to continue to discriminate?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And that was not going to erase the past discrimination.

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Speaker 1: So when do we stop with affirmative action? Now, some

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Speaker 1: So I just look at affirmative action like it wasn't working.

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Speaker 1: If you don't like that, then then basically you're probably

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Speaker 1: But my bottom line issue is I don't need handouts

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Speaker 2: Us to go get it. Let's go get it all right,

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Speaker 1: A man can kill a woman. I'm sure a woman

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Speaker 1: could kill him man too, But it's not conventional with

435
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: a man could kill a woman, I could me, I

436
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: could hit somebody, and I could put some hands in

437
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: the world, and they're in grave danger. I'm a big dude,

438
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: so I understand that part. But there was a moment

439
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: when he got shot in the back. I'm sure you

440
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: know he not worried about your mama anymore. He's worried

441
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: about himself. That they probably like, that's when it should

442
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:38,880
Speaker 1: have stopped.

443
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: But it didn't stop.

444
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,239
Speaker 1: Now, it didn't stop, and they went outside, chased them

445
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 1: outside and kept shooting, kept hitting them with the bullets.

446
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: Then he's dead. But when do you hit the pause

447
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 1: button on that? When is your mother out of clear

448
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: and present grave danger? What's a conversation they had, obviously

449
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: supporting those argist, but then they had to come to

450
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: a realization that this is a woman who has just

451
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: been beaten by this man, so who knows what condition

452
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: she's in, certainly weekend and a fourteen year old who's traumatized,

453
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: who not only sees his mother's getting beaten to a pope.

454
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:18,119
Speaker 2: But also.

455
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 1: It's fourteen, Like, you shoot a dude, and then all

456
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: of a sudden, what the dude comes to? You come

457
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 1: grab the gun from you, comes attacks you, etc. So

458
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: the kid sounds like, now it's justified to continue shooting

459
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: because it's almost like, you know, to take it away

460
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 1: from this, if I had to go against an animal,

461
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: like you know, I'm not me against another human. Good

462
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 1: luck to the other human, but me against an animal.

463
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm gonna stop him, but I'm gonna keep

464
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: stopping him.

465
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: So he's done. You know what I'm saying.

466
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: Not Oh I shot him, and oh he's not gonna

467
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: come back and hurt me anymore. I don't know that answer,

468
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not about to try and find out.

469
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: And I think that's where this case went.

470
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: I think it went through those waves you guys feeling

471
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: me on that wow. So then called cal Rishia Hood

472
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: has now filed a lawsuit against the City of Chicago

473
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: and five police officers, claiming that they were falsely arrested

474
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: and maliciously prosecuted, and that she has also suffered emotional distress. Okay,

475
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: June eighteenth, for this year, my life changed, my son's

476
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: life change.

477
00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: She's never lying about that.

478
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: Never in a million years would I've imagined being brewly attacked, beaten,

479
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: and then arrested.

480
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: Huh.

481
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 1: Her attorney said rawful charges have caused great harm to

482
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: Hood and her family's reputation. At one point, Hood said

483
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,120
Speaker 1: during the news conference that everything I've worked for has

484
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: been tarnished. Her attorney said they planned to file additional lawsuits. Okay, now,

485
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be mad. I'm gonna be empathetic in

486
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: this one, even though it's tough, because I'm like, everything.

487
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 2: I've worked for has been tarnished.

488
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: No, you've been traumatized, you went through something, but everything

489
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: you've been, you've worked for, has been tarnished. I think

490
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: what is happening now is the emotional serrup that you

491
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: must pour on any case, in any lawsuit that you found.

492
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: You have to do that. You just gotta do that.

493
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,400
Speaker 2: I mean, it's sad.

494
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: I've been I've been in that position where i had

495
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,439
Speaker 1: to defend myself from people and I'm listening like, damn,

496
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: you just pouring it on.

497
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: But in this situation, as traumatic as it was, let's

498
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,359
Speaker 2: just say it's a little serve, not much.

499
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if she has a strong case because she

500
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: survived it. Wrongfully charged, wrongfully charged, Like, you can see

501
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: both sides of that one, can't you. It just feels

502
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: that way, but something shifted their viewpoint, whether it's the

503
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 1: court of public opinion because that video got out, or

504
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: it's the fact that like when you hear okay, your

505
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: mama's getting hit and then you shot him in the

506
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: back and kept shooting them dead, okay, and you're a

507
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: fourteen year old kid. I just see there's some the

508
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: reasonable doubt, and I also see the burden kind of

509
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: being met and then realizing later through all the evidence

510
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: that it wasn't met. Were you guys on this did

511
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: you think the video really changed this incident and shift

512
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: the prosecutors view of the case. Did the sun do

513
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 1: the right thing and not defending his mama?

514
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 2: Hell yeah? Shooting them? Ah gotly? But how would you

515
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: have done it?

516
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: You know, look, if somebody beat my mama, they already

517
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: signed their death certificate. Shit, I'm just telling you, like,

518
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, brother, Like there's no like leniency. Oh you

519
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: beat my mama and you weren't being lenient with her.

520
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: So now anything I can do to stop you, because

521
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: if the kid runs up to the guy, let's just

522
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: stop the ones who said, oh, well, you should shoot

523
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: him in the leg, or you shouldn't shoot him at

524
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: all a thirty two year old man get right up

525
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: on about fourteen old boy.

526
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: I'm just putting myself in that position. Why that boy

527
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 2: run up on me? Now?

528
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 1: It's two people getting hit, right, So, uh did he

529
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 1: have to kill? One of the questions is did he

530
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: have to kill the man who attacked his mother? Based

531
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: on all things considered, it feels like he did. The

532
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 1: last thing you wanted to do is give this man

533
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: another striking opportunity because he's already shown he's.

534
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: Gonna go all the way the way he was hitting

535
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: your mom.

536
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: Ah Man, tough clay case, tough situation, tough position to

537
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: be in, and I'm gonna follow that case to see

538
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: where that ruling goes. All right, last one, let's get

539
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: into on the Hawaii mother who has been charged with

540
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: murder in the death of her sixteen month old daughter

541
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: after reportedly leaving the infant home for over a week

542
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: while she went on vacation without her. She shouldn't even

543
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: have to do this case. Now, talk about a sentence,

544
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: Let's see what she gets. Sixteen month old girl is

545
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: dead after a mon left her alone in a Cleveland

546
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: home for about ten days to go on an island vacation. Wow,

547
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: Crystal Condia Lauo whatever facing a murder charge after the

548
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: child was taken care of for more than a week.

549
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 2: Wasn't taken care of for more than a week, I

550
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: should say.

551
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: Sixteen month old was pronounced dead when first responders arrived

552
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: at the home on June sixteenth. Police Affidavid states that

553
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: she was on a trip to Puerto Rico and Detroit

554
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: while the baby was left on her own inside the home.

555
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: The mother allegedly fessed up the police she left her.

556
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: Daughter Jalen, at home all alone and unattended, and when

557
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 1: she got home, her child was extremely dehydrated. You think

558
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: the baby's pen consisted of soil, blankets and a bottom

559
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: liner saturated with urine and thesis. Neighbors said this wasn't

560
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: even the first time that she left her baby alone

561
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: in the home. We kept telling her not to leave

562
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: her by herself, not just me, my friend across the

563
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: street too, but she always leave her by herself. The

564
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: neighbors said she lived in the house with her two

565
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: daughters and her parents, but recently her parents took the

566
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: oldest daughter with them on a vacation and there were

567
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: so many people here she could have knocked on any

568
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: of our doors and asked us to take Jalen. Child's

569
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: body was moved to the Medical Examiner's office for further

570
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: examination as the investigation is ongoing. Hurt anything more terrible

571
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: than this, I mean, a defenseless, helpless, sixteen month old

572
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: kid is left to survive and fight for itself.

573
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: Ten days, y'all.

574
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 1: I have kids, y'all know that, And I couldn't imagine

575
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: ten hours without mommy or daddy answering that call from them.

576
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: I couldn't imagine them going hours without eating the little

577
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: snacker changing their diaper. If you don't change their diaper

578
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: in a few hours, a couple hours, whoa, you know

579
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 1: what you're dealing with on top of the rashes, on

580
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 1: top of all the issues that come from it, but

581
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: just the soil itself, oh man, soil diapers. I mean,

582
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: the images that are coming to mind are just disheartening.

583
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Sad, horrific.

584
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: And she literally did this, and wasn't her first time

585
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,239
Speaker 1: doing this. What do y'all think the sentence should be?

586
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: I ain't eve gonna go too deep business because it's

587
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: getting me sad. It's crazy people out here tripping and

588
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: I want to say one thing, like the neighbors knew

589
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 1: that this was an issue. We got this whole don't snitch,

590
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: you know, snitches get stitches.

591
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: Kind of wall going on and rule going on in

592
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: the streets.

593
00:32:55,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: Snitch y'all tell get that baby away from her, call

594
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: child protection services. This is not our first time, and

595
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: now you're gonna be on the news talking about it.

596
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: It's not the first time. It should have been the

597
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 1: one time, the last time, not this time. It didn't

598
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: have to get to this. It's okay, Like you know,

599
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: some of these things just gotta get reversed. Some of

600
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: these stupid cultural social norms have to be reversed. I

601
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: am snitching. I tell y'all all the time, do not

602
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: do something crazy around me. One I ain't taking no

603
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: charges for you. And two if you're doing something harmful,

604
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, you need.

605
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 2: To be checked.

606
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 1: And I ain't the one to do to checking. But

607
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: I am the one to do the talking. I am

608
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: the one to say, hey, man, be accountable, be responsible.

609
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: It's not that damn hard whoa.

610
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: That's how you build community.

611
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: Really, You don't build community by letting somebody get away

612
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 1: with something crazy, because guess what crazy is gonna not

613
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: only hurt them, hurt theirs, but it's gonna hurt you.

614
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: We're in co existence. That's why responsibility is so necessary.

615
00:33:54,880 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 1: Sad state of affairs, goodness, goodness? Whoa All right, y'all,

616
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: y'all know how we end every show. We end it

617
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: with a wii ism. Oh, we got to bring the

618
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: energy back up. How about this? Be humble or be humbled?

619
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: Be humble or be humbled. It's crazy, like when you

620
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: talk about humility and being humble. I think we misconstrue

621
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: what humble is because a lot of times we look

622
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: at somebody who's successful who is not humble at lace

623
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: humble acting to us, and we like, Yo, all this

624
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: humility stuff, all this humility talk that doesn't serve you

625
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: well in this world. Well, you got to know what

626
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 1: humble really is. It's not like how I always go

627
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: around and treating you. Humble really starts from understanding that

628
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 1: there are greater powers than you.

629
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: Right, So if you know there are greater.

630
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 1: Powers than you, you also know that there are lesser

631
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,479
Speaker 1: powers than you. Y'all't believe me. You see a bunch

632
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: of ants and you're trying to eat what you start

633
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: doing stomping them an, get your head, y'all gonna you're

634
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: killing millions. You on you on the ant news that night,

635
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: millions of us have died at a picnic back to you, Bob, right,

636
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm just using that as exaggeration, but

637
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 1: sometimes you can even see it through human interaction where

638
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: you know, let's use football, like you know, I'm not

639
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 1: gonna be humble on that field, even though I know

640
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: there may be somebody greater than me out there or

641
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: Tom Brady or whoever the hell.

642
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 2: But if I can flex, or I will flex.

643
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: So don't think that you're not being humble. When you flex,

644
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 1: you showing your power. But you also respect that that

645
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: power can being hansked and it also can be taken away.

646
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: And there's also someone what more and someone with less.

647
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: So I think you got to really wrap your head

648
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: around what being humble is. And it's just the respect

649
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:02,919
Speaker 1: of those dynamics that's being humble, right. Humble is not like, oh,

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Speaker 1: all shucks, Oh man, you just got a billion dollar check.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's nothing. That's not being being a liar, yo.

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Speaker 2: That humble.

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Speaker 1: Oh you just graduated from Colombia. Oh that's nothing. No,

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Speaker 1: that's something. Oh you just graduated from any school you

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Speaker 1: put into work. Oh you want MVP. Oh that's not humble.

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Speaker 1: They lying, They just saying stuff. They might be even pandering.

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Speaker 1: They just wanted to land. Well, they don't care what

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Speaker 1: you think. Oh man, they know what they're doing. That's why,

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Speaker 1: because that's the most important. So remember, don't think humble

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Speaker 1: is just talking soft and being meek and just deferring

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Speaker 1: and deflecting and not accepting your greatness. No, humble is

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Speaker 1: knowing my power and knowing there's a greater power.

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Speaker 2: And knowing there's a lesser power. So be humble or

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Speaker 2: that greater power will humble you.

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Speaker 1: All right, y'all got to do it for more to

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Speaker 1: and check the show notes for all the information on

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Speaker 1: our topics today today.

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Speaker 2: Want to keep the conversation. Go on, let's talk. Find

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Speaker 2: me on all socials at Marcel's.

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Speaker 2: Keep it coming because there's more coming from, more to it.

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Speaker 2: Talk to y'all. Hellison