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Speaker 3: This is a judgment call on the nflpa's part that

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Speaker 3: they believe that this could be perceived as mandatory. Give

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Speaker 3: me a break about.

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Speaker 4: Asking some players, did you think there was this mandatory?

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Speaker 3: No, Okay, I would have some choice words for the

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Speaker 3: whistle bar.

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Speaker 4: So risk guy, you can't have retaliation.

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Speaker 5: I'm feeling pressured. I'm feeling like I have to be there,

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Speaker 5: the only one that the course.

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Speaker 3: A baby what a baby thing? You have to go

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Speaker 3: to a fifteen minute meeting.

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Speaker 6: Because if you if you're talking about Ferkser or Kendrick

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Speaker 6: Bourne right right, and they're just don't name your kid

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Speaker 6: a name for like a child name, you know what

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Speaker 6: I mean, Like Cody, give me the name that he

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Speaker 6: can live with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Jay, send Jackie James. So they kept with

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Speaker 3: the Jays, which I like, I have.

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Speaker 7: Learned so much from you guys listening to your podcast.

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Speaker 8: Now I can watch a game and go.

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Speaker 4: Let're and cover two.

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Speaker 9: Paul can't.

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Speaker 1: This is Patriot's Unfiltered fueled by Duncan.

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Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Patriots Philters Unfiltered. It is Tuesday

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Speaker 4: here at Jillette Stadium, and oh my god, we had

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Speaker 4: just one of the most great pregame show of all time.

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Speaker 10: I just had to separate Evan and Paul. For those that.

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Speaker 9: Team Alex, by the way, divorce yourself from it.

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Speaker 4: It had nothing to do with the Patriots. Obviously. The

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Speaker 4: Celtics better last. Everybody's pissy. We just had an epic one.

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Speaker 4: Maybe we'll talk about Celtics a little later, but uh, yes,

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Speaker 4: it is Patriots Unfiltered. Deuce is here, Alex is here, Evan, Paul, myself,

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Speaker 4: Matt's in the booth, and we're gonna get to watch

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Speaker 4: an O t A tomorrow hopefully hopefully, yeah.

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Speaker 9: I hope.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, nice weather. We had nice Memorial Day.

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Speaker 4: I mean, the Patriots lost two of their ota, so

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Speaker 4: we lost a chance to watch one last week. They

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Speaker 4: were supposed to be out on the field today, but

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Speaker 4: they're serving the second of their two loss and we'll

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Speaker 4: be out there with them tomorrow, so looking forward to that.

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Speaker 5: We'll watch them. I think we got a little clarity

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Speaker 5: too after our show on Thursday of like more things

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Speaker 9: I don't even know.

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Speaker 5: I've kind of lost track now, like they like like

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Speaker 5: Joe Judge had them in a meeting too long, and.

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Speaker 4: It's it's still you got to blame you know, the Patriots.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, it was more more blame than we

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just shadow log. Yeah, not paying attention. You know,

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Speaker 4: you've got four hours. You can do whatever you want

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Speaker 4: those four hours, minus pads and hitting. But they weren't

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Speaker 4: paying attention apparently, and it sounds like it wasn't the

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Speaker 9: You know, three days in a row according to the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so just just not buttoned up.

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Speaker 5: Well that was what was weird, because I think it

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Speaker 5: they were warned and they kept doing it. But then

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Speaker 5: Patriots were you know, they they were very cooperative, and

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Speaker 5: I'm like, well, wouldn't a cooperative been like just stop

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Speaker 9: Then you won't have the thing like like you kept

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Speaker 9: and Union then you were cooperative.

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Speaker 5: So I don't know, I just like to put it

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Speaker 9: And but as I said on the on the show last.

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Speaker 5: Week, just another thing the team doesn't need. A lack

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Speaker 4: Know, Bill, you know, puts a lot of value into

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Speaker 4: it's it's not a good thing. You know, it's not

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Speaker 4: But it's just what are we doing? A Bill? What

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Speaker 5: Bill got a fine too, right, five hundred fifty fifty

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Speaker 3: Two words we're a little fired up.

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Speaker 9: Zero. The math is, well they should have made it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's got fifty thousand. They lost the team

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Speaker 4: might have gotten one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 3: I think no, I don't think the team got. The

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's right. How does that work? You

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Speaker 3: Or is it all right?

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Speaker 10: And they just come out of here?

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Speaker 9: Just the report he has sixteen days to pay it?

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Speaker 5: Like what when you come up with sixteen days or what?

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Speaker 4: Somebody for the NFL comes and breaks his fingers.

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Speaker 3: Collection, I need Rocky Balbo on the docks his money.

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Speaker 5: He's gonna box somebody bill since.

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Speaker 4: One way or the other, we're going to get this money. Okay.

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Speaker 9: I just thought it was weird one of the stories,

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Speaker 9: just like he has sixteen days. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: It had close to home.

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Speaker 5: I was like, could I come up with fifty K

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Speaker 9: I don't think so. No, No, well, maybe spent two

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Speaker 10: If you went to a bank and tried to take

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Speaker 9: Take it up. I didn't have to do it.

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Speaker 10: The bank would have to be like, well.

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Speaker 3: Is there like Ami, is there some financing?

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Speaker 4: Like remember the time that I got a FedEx from

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Speaker 4: the league and I was fined one hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 9: Do remember that? What happened?

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Speaker 4: Well, I, you know, we used to have the newspaper

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Speaker 4: it was the Baltimore Ravens game if they had a

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Speaker 4: ref and kidding me? And it was like one of

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Speaker 4: I got a FedEx that I was being fined a

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Speaker 4: I was like, are you kidding me? And I had

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Speaker 4: thing was a prank. Who Brian Maury did a great job.

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Speaker 4: They had the whole FedEx envelope. They had the return address,

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Speaker 9: What made it believable? What made it is he had

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like Brian was aware of I'm assuming and trauma.

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Speaker 9: Fred had been notified by the league office about something

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Speaker 4: I was called a pain in the ass by Joe Brown,

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Speaker 4: who was used to be like the head PR guy

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Speaker 4: so you know. But yeah, but that was that was interesting.

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Speaker 9: One hundred thousand. Yeah, so you're ready.

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Speaker 4: Did it ever?

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Speaker 11: Did at any point where you like I actually this

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Speaker 4: I knew I was fighting, but but like the fact

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm calm and I think I had

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Speaker 4: a meeting, so I I said that as I was

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Speaker 4: going out of the office, I'm I'm you know, you can't.

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Speaker 5: Just go around finding random people though, right, like you're

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Speaker 4: Well, how do they know?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm you know.

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Speaker 5: Now I'm thinking for myself, I'm like, am I going

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Speaker 5: to write something wrong?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: I meant they consider all of us part of the Patriots,

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Speaker 4: even though we're technically not. We're not paid by the Patriots.

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Speaker 4: You know, if I was working for the Patriots, I'd

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Speaker 4: have a nice little pension waiting for me, which I

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Speaker 4: don't you know, which kind of bothers No anyway, but no,

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Speaker 4: we no tech clear, don't we paved the way for

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Speaker 4: you guys. Let's go. We don't work for the Patriots

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Speaker 4: or the NFL, but we're an affiliate and you know

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Speaker 4: there's some things that you know kind of do apply

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was credit to Brian Moory. Now I'm thinking

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Speaker 5: of how we could get Evan with something like this.

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Speaker 10: We'd had to do a prank every season, and the.

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Speaker 9: Picture was the one that builds kind of like grabbing

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Speaker 9: the guy in the way off remember the field goal

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Speaker 9: and went right over the upright and.

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Speaker 3: It was that day kind of looked like did you.

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Speaker 10: Get upset or were you a good sport about it?

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Speaker 9: That's when Bill had a bake sale. Bill had his

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Speaker 9: first bake sale to make the uprights higher.

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Speaker 4: Well, I was a great sport. I thought it was masterful.

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Speaker 4: I thought he did a great job.

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Speaker 5: Did you think about keeping it going and like playing

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Speaker 5: continuing to play into it even though you knew he he.

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Speaker 4: He heard me say I'm calling the league and he's like,

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Speaker 4: oh god, I gotta tell him, Like he got nervous

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Speaker 4: because he knew I was going They.

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Speaker 10: Should have got ownership involved. Oura case sits you down.

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Speaker 4: Well, they told he told Jonathan he was going to

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Speaker 4: do it. John was like he was all.

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Speaker 5: For it, and then they really find you for messing around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah great, but yeah, fun. So these fines I don't know,

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Speaker 4: like like do you just write a check? Do you

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Speaker 4: take it out of your payroll deduction? I'm sure probably

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Speaker 4: it just comes right out of your probably over like

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Speaker 4: ten years, you know.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Is there like a financing like

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Speaker 3: zero payment plan?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, thousand dollars give you one hundred grand?

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Speaker 4: What am I?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 9: Kind of money for it?

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Speaker 10: Well, there's payment plans for everything now, Like you can

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Speaker 10: go on Amazon.

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Speaker 4: I know what.

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Speaker 11: I bought a flight last night and it was like,

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Speaker 11: you can pay for this flight over the course of the.

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Speaker 10: Next sixty six months for eighteen dollars a month, and

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Speaker 5: Guessing he's going to be not like right out there immediately.

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Speaker 4: There's any chance that Bill, just to prove that he

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Speaker 9: Like how would you know that? Well, that's the thing,

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Speaker 9: Back when you only have one day.

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Speaker 9: But second different combinations.

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Speaker 5: Right, it's basically yeah, but there's guys that you know

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Speaker 4: We should go down the roster and say other thing again,

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Speaker 9: According to Mike, Yeah, man, am I missing something? No, no, no,

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Speaker 5: Know the game too, right, it was against Buffalo.

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Speaker 3: It was like it was like one of those eight

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Speaker 4: So strange, strange Andrews when you in Stone.

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Speaker 4: Well that's the thing. They could be just getting him

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's just getting up there.

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Speaker 9: Oh boy, gotcha?

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Speaker 5: Off replacing Daniel Aquallee as this combination sub pass rusher

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Speaker 9: be Jack Jones and Christian Gonzales as you're starting corners

445
00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,479
Speaker 9: with Jonathan Jones and the slot and then you can

446
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,600
Speaker 9: use Marcus Jones however you want.

447
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,439
Speaker 5: Maybe in a perfect world, I don't know how much

448
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:40,400
Speaker 5: I believe in Jack Jones.

449
00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 9: O why don't they like? I think it best?

450
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 5: He's a rotation.

451
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:44,840
Speaker 9: That's why I said in a perfect world. In other words,

452
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 9: the stuff that Evan's talking about off the field is

453
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 9: not an issue, and he puts it together on the

454
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,320
Speaker 9: field and play as well.

455
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 3: That he was wildly inconsistent last year and didn't get

456
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Speaker 3: beat some of the time where he did get beat

457
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,920
Speaker 3: just because of luck to be.

458
00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 9: To be honest with Tyrone pool special. Yeah, but I'm

459
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,080
Speaker 9: gonna let the guy go four yards behind me and

460
00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:07,520
Speaker 9: hope he underthrows.

461
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,439
Speaker 3: It, yeah, or misses him, which happened.

462
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 9: I just think he he has ability, I mean, he

463
00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:18,000
Speaker 9: has playmaking ability, but he would scare me as a

464
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 9: full time player.

465
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 5: I think it's worth talking about the kickers too, just

466
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 5: the punter. I mean, you know, I mean you have

467
00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 5: some veterans in there. I think we're assuming that. But

468
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 5: I don't think Nick Folk is going to go down

469
00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:29,840
Speaker 5: without a fight. I don't know if he's healthy right now.

470
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 5: I think he is, but I'd like to see both

471
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,719
Speaker 5: those guys. He's I think he is. I don't know.

472
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:35,840
Speaker 5: I just he's old.

473
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Speaker 3: I think I think I just described well he's got

474
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Speaker 3: the back like missing No.

475
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Speaker 5: You're not missing anything. This is Back's speculating an old guy,

476
00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,159
Speaker 5: you know, might not be here for OTAs. But you

477
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:48,760
Speaker 5: know that's you know, someding we saw a couple of

478
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:50,959
Speaker 5: years ago when they drafted the Worldwasser. You know, it's

479
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,880
Speaker 5: just a little bit of a little bit of flavoring.

480
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 9: Composition kick kickers on the roster. Now, think so, like

481
00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,520
Speaker 9: you can't have a kickoff specialist Folk kicking field goals

482
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 9: and then the punter, right right, you can't do it.

483
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 5: No, no, And I don't think and.

484
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: This should like Chad Ryland should win the kicking job, right.

485
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,359
Speaker 3: If you drafted a guy in the fourth round, that

486
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,600
Speaker 3: guy should win the kicking job, it shouldn't really even

487
00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 3: be close.

488
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Speaker 9: Well, see, I'm like your basketball tacks, I agree with that.

489
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Speaker 5: Trolling the waters.

490
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 9: No, I mean, he's right, it's right. I'm like, how

491
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:26,080
Speaker 9: can you take a guy in the fourth round and

492
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Speaker 9: not have him win? The win the job is the

493
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,080
Speaker 9: fifth round. But and that was a disaster.

494
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Speaker 3: Disaster, Yeah, rightfully got called out for that being a disaster.

495
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,479
Speaker 4: So of all the newbies, and I'm including you know,

496
00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 4: free agent signings, Kasiki and Shuster, the rookies, which player

497
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 4: do you think makes the biggest impact first? Gonzo Christian

498
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 4: Gonzales think so.

499
00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 5: Maybe that's a little lofty, but I was reading a

500
00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,240
Speaker 5: little bit about Treik wooll In this morning, and you

501
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 5: know what a good job he did coming right in

502
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 5: as a rookie. I think Patriots will ask more of

503
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 5: Gonzalez than the Seahawks ask of Woolen just schematically when

504
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,680
Speaker 5: they playing. Probably it's still a little bit more man

505
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 5: than those guys do.

506
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 9: But I think he could do it. I mean, I

507
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,199
Speaker 9: think he's got the oo.

508
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 5: It's just the the age, the experience, you know that

509
00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 5: that's the thing. And I think that they've got enough

510
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 5: depth right now that it isn't crazy if all is

511
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 5: well with Jack Jones to say we're going to start

512
00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 5: Jack Jones, you know, and Jonathan Jones, maybe have Jalen

513
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 5: Mills at you know, back at safety. But to give

514
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 5: Gonzalez a little bit of time, I mean, you hop

515
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960
Speaker 5: right into it. I mean there's no there's no rest.

516
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 9: For the wicket this this year.

517
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean within receivers joint practices. I think

518
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 4: he'll get enough reps Gonzales to prove he should start right.

519
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 4: Like Bill, I don't think we'll get to week one.

520
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 4: I haven't seen enough of him. He can't start yet.

521
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 4: I think he'll have enough on tape to say, okay,

522
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 4: yeah he should start right.

523
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Speaker 9: I just kind of looking at this though, but it's

524
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Speaker 9: kind of interesting.

525
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 5: None of those three teams they play in the preseason

526
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 5: really have one of the alpha dog receivers though, and

527
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,520
Speaker 5: then they kind of get thrown into the alpha dog

528
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 5: receivers right as the regular season starts. So it would

529
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 5: have been interesting just to see them go up against

530
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,360
Speaker 5: the team like last year when DeVante Adams.

531
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Speaker 9: Of course, he just.

532
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 3: Liter like maybe they have some like like B listers though,

533
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 3: like Christian Watson, Watson and Traylon Burks are kind of

534
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 3: like the B list version of what you're hoping Christian

535
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 3: Consales is going to go up again. So Traylon Burks

536
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: is I mean the Tennessee thing season to AJ Brown,

537
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 3: So like it's maybe there's a little bit something to

538
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 3: be said for let's not put him against DeVante Adams

539
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: training camp.

540
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: Oh, he's shut down Traylon Burks in practice. You get

541
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 5: to the regular season, a lot of people shut down.

542
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 4: So A J.

543
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Speaker 9: Brown is actually better.

544
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 5: Than Traylon Burks, you know, fast.

545
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 9: Traylon Burks, And I think he'll have I think it'd

546
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 9: be up to Bill obviously, but I don't really see

547
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 9: why he wouldn't have an opportunity to start. Yeah, it's

548
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 9: not going to be like I don't. I mean, it's

549
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 9: the same as any other year and you have rookie Scott.

550
00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:59,959
Speaker 4: I mean, I would think that the plan would be

551
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: to have the start, but he's he's still got to

552
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 4: prove himself.

553
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 5: And that's just I would speak say this to the

554
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 5: bigger philosophy of this team. That goes back to all

555
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,959
Speaker 5: the calls that we got last week. Play the young guys,

556
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 5: like you don't you need to find stars you need

557
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 5: to find. Like that's I guess kind of like nothing

558
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 5: against Godshaw Lawrence Guy, but like we've seen it with them.

559
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 5: We know what Lawrence Guy, Like Lawrence Guy is gonna

560
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 5: come back this year and all of a sudden be

561
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 5: playing at another level. Like at best, we're hoping he's

562
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 5: you know, can hang on for a couple more years.

563
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 9: Then That's why I brought up Andrew's guy. Those those

564
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,159
Speaker 9: kinds of players I think you can look at and say,

565
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 9: how close is the guy that's pushing him, How close

566
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 9: is the young guy to the veteran in terms of

567
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 9: on field, and if it's really close, that's the way

568
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,199
Speaker 9: you can build some depth on your roster, you know,

569
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,119
Speaker 9: in the future as well. But you know, I like

570
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,439
Speaker 9: the idea of just turning it over to some of

571
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,239
Speaker 9: the younger talent and figuring out and in doing that,

572
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 9: you can't just let them all leave either. Like if

573
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 9: you want to say, like oh, Michael, when you we

574
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 9: went down that high priced guard road before and it

575
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 9: didn't work well for us, and they let him go, Okay,

576
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 9: I can hear that, But you can't let him go

577
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 9: and j go and dugg or go and just say

578
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 9: what we're starting all over again. You got to identify

579
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 9: somebody that you'll like, Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think

580
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 9: I'm not telling you which one it is. I'm just

581
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 9: saying something, right.

582
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 5: But there's I think there's a number of players on

583
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 5: the roster that you kind of know what you got.

584
00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 5: And are we still on an upper trajectory with those

585
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 5: players anymore? And if not, is there a younger player,

586
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 5: Like to your point that maybe, okay, maybe Keon White

587
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,600
Speaker 5: isn't as great as Dietrich Wise, but and I love

588
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 5: Dietrich Wise as a guy, but the second I feel

589
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 5: like Keon White has surpassed him or has a higher

590
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 5: like it has some potential that might be better than

591
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,880
Speaker 5: I think he's got to be in there as much

592
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 5: as I like Dietrich Wise. But you know, I think

593
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 5: you'd say that kind of about Andrews too. David Andrews,

594
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 5: you know, like, certainly really solid player. The line struggles

595
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 5: when he's not in there. He's got leadership, But is he,

596
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,119
Speaker 5: you know, an elite center right now? Is he gonna

597
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 5: be an elite center? I don't know, you know, So

598
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 5: the faster they can try to get guys in there

599
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,320
Speaker 5: to find stars, that's that's what they need. That's what

600
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 5: everybody calls about.

601
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: To me, the guy I'm looking for to really step

602
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: it up, and I think he has upside is Christian Barmore.

603
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 4: You know, I think he can really make an impact

604
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 4: if if he can, you know, play more consistently to

605
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 4: the flashes that we've seen in the past, absolutely and

606
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 4: stay healthy.

607
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 5: That's hung He should be hungry. I mean, everybody was

608
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 5: predicting a breakout year for him last year and he

609
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,520
Speaker 5: was you know, he got injured, and I mean I

610
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 5: think it was a couple of different things.

611
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 9: Was it just one?

612
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 3: The knee was a big one, you.

613
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 4: Know, But like I think if he plays to what

614
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 4: we think he can be, that's huge. That's huge to

615
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 4: have that you know, dominant force in the middle.

616
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 5: It's not one of those like premium positions we always

617
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 5: talk about like that that kind of get all the hype,

618
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 5: but I I think it maybe should be. I mean,

619
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Speaker 5: it's just nothing more impactful than an interior rusher who

620
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 5: can get to the quarterback without having to get around

621
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 5: the edge. And you know, you get one of those disruptive,

622
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 5: handful guys and you go against a team that maybe

623
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Speaker 5: he has a backup guard in one week.

624
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 9: Or a backup center.

625
00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 5: And you know, the tantalizing thought is keyon White paired

626
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 5: with Barmore, you know, not just having Barmore do what

627
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 5: you said, but having another powerful guy on the other side.

628
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 5: That's going to be you know, a different kind of problem,

629
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 5: but an equal problem against.

630
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 9: The past, especially in early downs.

631
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 4: Where well, I mean, you look at the greatest player

632
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: whoever played, Tom Brady, and if he had a kryptonite,

633
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 4: it was when there was consistent pressure up the middle

634
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 4: that didn't allow him to step up. Now, of course

635
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,360
Speaker 4: he didn't have the mobility that other guys do to

636
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:30,400
Speaker 4: like just go off. But even with a guy like Mahomes,

637
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: if he can disrupt timing, that's part of the job.

638
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 4: That's you're halfway there, you know, And there's no better

639
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 4: way to do that than to show him that there's

640
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 4: no way to go. There's nowhere to go straight ahead.

641
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 9: You know.

642
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think it's I mean, I think it's

643
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,719
Speaker 5: a good point. I mean, obviously with some guys now

644
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 5: they're gonna get out of the pocket and that's where

645
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 5: they want to be. Like, you know, what is it

646
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 5: going to look like with Jalen hurts, you know week

647
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 5: one when they they broke the pocket under two seconds,

648
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 5: But now he just ran for forty yards because he's

649
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 5: got that gear.

650
00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 9: It's a balance.

651
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: But I just I don't think you're ever gonna say

652
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 5: we don't want interior pressure, like as much as some

653
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 5: of the other guys are too gapping and holding and

654
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 5: you know, build the wall and you know, keep him

655
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 5: in the pocket and that kind of thing. Like I

656
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 5: just if you're in the middle, I don't think there's

657
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 5: any time you're like whoa, whoa, whoa. Don't don't push

658
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 5: the guard back into the quarterbacks lab. We don't want that,

659
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 5: Like right, you want that every time. I mean I

660
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:18,719
Speaker 5: get it with the edge russers. You don't want him

661
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 5: running behind the quarterback and getting out of the play

662
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Speaker 5: and all that.

663
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Speaker 3: But I just wonder with Barmore, how much to can

664
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Speaker 3: they help him by by changing his role a little bit,

665
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Speaker 3: because the last two years he's been pretty frequently the

666
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Speaker 3: most double team amongst the most double team interior guys

667
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: in the league, like up there with with pretty much

668
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 3: everybody besides Aaron Donald who just gets doubled on every play.

669
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Speaker 3: But they're that role. It's not it's not because Barmore,

670
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 3: not to take anything away from him, but Adam Butler

671
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 3: was also among some of the most double team guys

672
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 3: in the league because that's the role that they play,

673
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 3: where they're just trying to get him to just occupy

674
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: guys in the middle of the line. I personally, I

675
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 3: don't think that Dad's using bar Moore to the best

676
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: of his ability now. But you get guys like Dietrich

677
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 3: Wise or Daniel a Quality who didn't get hot because

678
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: they get all these one on ones, right because bar

679
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: Moore is getting attention, Judon's getting attention. At what point

680
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: do you try to line up bar More in spots

681
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 3: to get him the one on one, not to have

682
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 3: him draw attention, not to have him be a decoy,

683
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Speaker 3: but have him to be the guy that can actually

684
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Speaker 3: go one on one on one and get the quarterback.

685
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 3: Because to me, he's still your best interior pass rusher

686
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 3: by a long shot. And if he's just out there

687
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: getting double teamed every single time, because that's the role

688
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 3: that he's playing within the scheme, it kind of takes

689
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: away from from his impact.

690
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Speaker 5: Let me, would you move him out to the edge,

691
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Speaker 5: like I.

692
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Speaker 3: Mean, you know what the what the Rams tend to

693
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 3: do with what Donald is they put him at the

694
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Speaker 3: three technique, And when you put him at the three,

695
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: it makes it harder to double him, and if you

696
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 3: do double them, then you're really exposing yourself someplace else

697
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: on the line. So maybe that's it. But like those

698
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 3: you know, the five technique, the playing him at the

699
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: nose or the shade, like those spots are either easy

700
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: to double team, or you're not really in a true

701
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 3: pass rushing set in the five technique, as you're straight

702
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: up over the tackle, So you put him in a

703
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 3: gap and let him then pin his ears back is

704
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 3: probably the best way to get away from it. But

705
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Speaker 3: it's not something that they do a ton of. They

706
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: don't do a ton of three technique and pass rushing packages.

707
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Speaker 3: They tend to have those linebackers that stand up all

708
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 3: around the ball, and then they have that one guy

709
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Speaker 3: in the middle.

710
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Speaker 4: Well, like Bill's philosophy in the defensive front has always

711
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 4: been more conservative. Like you can take a guy like

712
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Speaker 4: Richard Seymour on another team with a different defensive philosophy.

713
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Speaker 4: He might have been, you know, up there with the

714
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: sack leaders every year, but that Bill doesn't want that

715
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: he's never wanted that.

716
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've had some good conversations with Barmore about it

717
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: because he's played a lot of two gap and in

718
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 3: the system, and he's played a lot of five technique

719
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Speaker 3: in the system, and it's not what he did at Alabama.

720
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: It's not what he's totally used to. He was somebody

721
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Speaker 3: that they would put him in there and tell him

722
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 3: to shoot gaps, like just get in the backfield and

723
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: make plays, right, And now they've kind of put him

724
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: in a in this system and it's worked. It's not

725
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: like it's he's a bad player, But is he really

726
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 3: hitting his ceiling?

727
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 4: Like if Warren Sapp was on the Patriots, he never

728
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 4: would have had all that those sacks that he you know, yeah,

729
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 4: like because they wouldn't, they'd have him doing other things.

730
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: Which is that right or wrong? I don't know.

731
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Speaker 12: I like it.

732
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's a great It's one of the age

733
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 5: old questions. I feel like both Belichick skiatically and I

734
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 5: mean I I mean I thought Dominic Easley was kind

735
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 5: of that guy, like just a pure get off guy.

736
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Speaker 9: That's what he wanted, That's what Bill wanted him to be.

737
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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he did, you know, he does see value

738
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 5: in that, but I just don't know if it's.

739
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 9: Ever more than to you know, obviously like question the

740
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 9: way Bill does it. But I would argue that you're right, Fred.

741
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 9: What you're touching on is, Yeah, if you had Warren

742
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 9: Sapp and you chose to play it the same way

743
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 9: you play it with everybody, If you know Warren Warren Sapp,

744
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 9: Daniel Lqualley, same thing, that's not good coaching. Like I

745
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 9: think Christian Barmore is different than Adam Butler, to use

746
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 9: Evan's example from a few minutes ago, right, and you

747
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 9: should adjust accordingly, Yeah, because I think he's the kind

748
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 9: of guy that could be disruptive if given more opportunities

749
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 9: to just sort of be aggressive and shoot gaps like

750
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 9: Evan said. But I don't think Bill does it that way.

751
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 9: I'm not telling you that he's wrong before anybody's.

752
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm not either, because there's so many, so

753
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 3: much data that suggests that what they do works. Like

754
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: I mean, they were what first in the league and

755
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: second in the league in sacks last year. They're up

756
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 3: there in pressure eight every year, but they just get

757
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: pressure from their edge guys and then from second level guys.

758
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: Blitzing like they don't get their pressure schemes right.

759
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 9: They do a great job of that absolutely.

760
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: I would say two though, Fred, just to maybe disagree

761
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 5: with a little bit like I In some ways, I

762
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 5: feel like Seymour was an ideal fit for what they did,

763
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 5: because I don't know exactly what his fit is, you know,

764
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: in a more traditional kind of four to three defense,

765
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 5: where you know, the way Bill played him, where you

766
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 5: could just use his size in his power and you weren't.

767
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 5: You weren't asking him to run as much, you weren't

768
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 5: asking him to be you know, to be quick. You

769
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 5: were just asking him to absolutely dominate offensive tackles every day,

770
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 5: and that was you know. I think in some ways

771
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: I think that did play into his into what he

772
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 5: did best. I wonder now how he would fit because

773
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 5: I think now he's almost even more of an ideal

774
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 5: player doing that kind of thing inside on early downs,

775
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 5: like what they do with Guy and Godshaw, where they

776
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 5: have you know, two big interior space eater guys and

777
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 5: then they kind of play with everybody else.

778
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Speaker 9: So I don't know.

779
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'd just be curious to see what another

780
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 5: coach would say about how Seymour would have fit. I

781
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 5: just in a more traditional defense.

782
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: Correct me if I'm wrong. Paul would probably remember. But

783
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 4: when he got traded to the Raiders, didn't like he

784
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 4: shoot up in sacks immediately.

785
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can look it up for you. I don't.

786
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 9: I don't think that he was ever a like a

787
00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 9: double digit sack guy or anything like that. He wasn't

788
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 9: really a big sack guy in college. That's why a

789
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 9: lot of people didn't like to pick.

790
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 4: That's true, that's true, But he was. He was so dumbant,

791
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: like I just know, like the numbers weren't ever there,

792
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 4: like game to game, But you listen to the opposing

793
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 4: coaches and players, and that's where you know that Seymour

794
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: he must be doing something right because everyone thinks he's

795
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 4: a problem. Yeah, everyone thinks he's a problem.

796
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 9: And he made the Hall of Fame, so he everybody

797
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 9: did something.

798
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 3: He was a problem. There's no none about that.

799
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 9: I mean, the scheme didn't shoot it didn't shoot up.

800
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 9: His two highest sack years were with the Patriots in

801
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 9: three and eight he had eight sacks, and then he

802
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 9: went when the Raiders he had four, five and a half,

803
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 9: six and three.

804
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: Okay, which is just.

805
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,600
Speaker 5: Interesting to me because that decade they were just a

806
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 5: pure three four defense pretty much like that was what they.

807
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 4: Played, you know, Patriots.

808
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then they'd pull alignment, they pulled the nose tackle,

809
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,839
Speaker 5: they'd put a nickel on and that was their two

810
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 5: packages pretty much.

811
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 9: Yeah, they would put John Yeah right, he.

812
00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 4: Was the rush and the three four your linebackers are

813
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: the ones that are gonna or you're outside guys are

814
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: the ones that are gonna get the sacks.

815
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean, great player. It's hard to say

816
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 5: like Richard Seymour could have then.

817
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 9: Just so much like really like a freak of an

818
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 9: athlete too, Like you know, you say, like he'd be

819
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 9: like Lawrence guy, and he's so much better than those,

820
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 9: so much more athletic.

821
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 5: That in just the position he played they do.

822
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 9: But to Fred's point, if you asked him to be

823
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 9: more than that, I think he could have. Now do

824
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 9: I think he would have been like a fifteen sack guy,

825
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 9: No speed rusher. Yeah, No, he was a power guy. Yeah,

826
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 9: that's what he That's what he won with.

827
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 4: And you know, as great as he was, I don't

828
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 4: think he always played a hundred to one hundred percent

829
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: like I think sometimes he took time off.

830
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 9: Remember that in the field. Remember that game that he

831
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 9: got he got benched in the first I'll never forget it.

832
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 9: He came into this dad died. Where did that guy

833
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 9: come from?

834
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: His father died. He didn't keep in touch with the

835
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 4: team in terms of when he was coming back or

836
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 4: when he said he was going to come back. He

837
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 4: didn't do it. He was late a couple of days.

838
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: So Bill basically benched him for a quarter against Jacksonville,

839
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 4: and when he came in, he was like a man possessed.

840
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 9: He killed.

841
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I never seen it. Like he was

842
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: just ferocious and I'm like got.

843
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 9: A six seven. If you played that, I would remember that.

844
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 4: Jacksonville, No, it's here, he is here. Yeah, Like he

845
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 4: just was just destroying people. He's so pissed off.

846
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 9: You know. But it was like a Seymour destroyer. Like

847
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 9: you could go back and look at the thing. He

848
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 9: probably had like three tackles.

849
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, like.

850
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 9: You wouldn't know by the stats, but he just made

851
00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 9: every plate for like like two series and we were

852
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 9: just like looking and you know what he used to

853
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 9: He used to do this thing with his shoulder when

854
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 9: he was feeling good. About himself. He would kind of

855
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 9: like that that he would like hit it, and you

856
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 9: could tell he was like themore shot, yeah, you know,

857
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 9: and you could tell that he was like, you want

858
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 9: you want to bench me some more. Probably in retrospect

859
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 9: was the beginning of the end.

860
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 4: But oh god, he came out like a man on fire.

861
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: All right. Eight five five Pats five hundred is the

862
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 4: ACE ticket hotline web radio at Patriots dot com. It's

863
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: the email address. It's all on the table. I guess

864
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 4: even the Celtics. We got into it ferocious argument.

865
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Speaker 5: You might throw some gas on the fire that com

866
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 5: I'm out, I'm coming. Evan says, he's out, But I

867
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 5: bet anyone could call in and get him back in if.

868
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 9: You really, I'll bet anything that too, because I thought

869
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 9: to myself, does it matter to me as much as

870
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 9: everybody else? So I'm going to be out five minutes later.

871
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 4: Evan was playing the role of Fred many times when

872
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: I was just like in a corner defending the Patriots

873
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 4: or a certain player on the Patriots.

874
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 9: Oh, I thought you meant trolling, No, not trolley, but

875
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 9: like you know, that's playing the role of Fred in

876
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 9: the corner, just being pummeled and just like you know, it.

877
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 4: Was fighting my way out of the corners.

878
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 3: It's fine.

879
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 9: I feel great.

880
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 3: Some of us have loyalty.

881
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 10: I didn't want a man's playing basketball to this kid.

882
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 4: He's not a matter of loyalty.

883
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 9: It's one of my time favorite watching what's going on?

884
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 5: You know, is this?

885
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 9: This is what it looks like when he was this

886
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 9: to me. Look because he kind of gave me the

887
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 9: side eye that it usually gives you when he's about

888
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 9: to do this to me.

889
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 4: All right, let's get to the calls in emails. We'll

890
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: start with Anthony in Seattle. What's up, Anthony?

891
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 9: Anthony?

892
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 2: Hey?

893
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 8: What some of my people?

894
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 9: Hey?

895
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 8: Hey, long time no talk. Hey, I'm gonna be quick today.

896
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 8: All right, listen, I got a bold prediction here. I

897
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 8: am bullish on the Patriot, and I'm so bullish on him.

898
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 8: I got us winning the whole thing.

899
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 5: Okay, alright, all right, all right, tell us why go

900
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 5: get a tattoo?

901
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 8: I saw I saw the Christian dollars video. I get it.

902
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 8: I know a lot of overreactions and everything. Listen, I

903
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 8: usually don't react to stuff like that, but mark me

904
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 8: down as an overreactor because it goes back to one

905
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 8: of those pfwisms. Do you guys use it all the time?

906
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 8: You know it when you see it?

907
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 14: Listen this kid Listen.

908
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 8: For example, I love Jack Jones. I absolutely love that

909
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,279
Speaker 8: kid as much as I love him. He don't look

910
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 8: like that. This this kid is different.

911
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 13: Is that?

912
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 8: I think Christian Dollars is going to give us that Listen.

913
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 4: I love it.

914
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 10: But are we talking about the twenty second clip of

915
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 10: him catching.

916
00:38:59,480 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 9: Five second?

917
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: Five second? Is that the clip you're talking about, Anthony?

918
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 4: That's it, that's all the time.

919
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 9: I just play along for a second.

920
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:07,439
Speaker 4: Yeah.

921
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 9: Yeah, Like, let's just say Christian Gonzales turns out to

922
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 9: be Dion Sanders. That's putting you in the super Bowl,

923
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 9: that that you're winning the super Bowl because you've got

924
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 9: the best fall all right.

925
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 8: I think he gives us that alpha, alpha dog corner

926
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 8: that we've been needing. He bumps everyone else down a peg. Yeah,

927
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 8: we got Judah, Judah on what have you? I think

928
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 8: we suddenly see this defense look good against everyone, not

929
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 8: just the bad team.

930
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm still on board. Okay, I'm still trying to

931
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 9: get to the Super Bowl to the offense, all right.

932
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 14: Okay, yeah, on the other side of the ball.

933
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 8: Listen, Now, this is all hope.

934
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 9: But I'm gonna okay.

935
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 8: I got I got, I got Billy, oh and and

936
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 8: and Matt, I got him catching a little magic. Every

937
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 8: year a team catches magic and and and exceeds expectations.

938
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 8: You know, Philly last year, nobody expects them to be

939
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 8: that good, So why not us this year? Let's I

940
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 8: want to see the offense be be good, not great,

941
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 8: the defense beat right not good, and let's go ahead

942
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 8: and put a season together, get in the playoffs, and

943
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 8: then once you get in the playoffs, let's go for

944
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 8: the whole thing. Baby. I know there's gonna be some

945
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 8: teams better, but doesn't mean we can't beat them in

946
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 8: a one game series where Bill Belichick as a coach.

947
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 8: I got Patriots this year's Super Bowl years too early,

948
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 8: but I got us winning it.

949
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 4: Maybe I just.

950
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 3: Can't get on this level of optimism today.

951
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 10: We were really hyped up about this one video in particular.

952
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 9: I mean, we know it did, we know it was.

953
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie, but like, let's calm down.

954
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 10: It did better than the schedule release videos.

955
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 3: But literally, clearly five seconds it was five seconds of.

956
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 4: Anthony didn't even Anthony didn't even come out and say, listen,

957
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: I've watched every game in Oregon. You know it's just

958
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 4: like I just saw five seconds and I know he's

959
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 4: the guy.

960
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 9: I can. I could make the arguments for his take

961
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 9: of the defense. I could, but like, you know, like

962
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 9: to just throw at his example, Philadelphia will what you

963
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,560
Speaker 9: know what changed from a playoff team two years ago

964
00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 9: to Philadelphia to being a super Bowl team the next year?

965
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 9: A Brown? I mean you made significant improvements on offense? Yeah,

966
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,239
Speaker 9: like you didn't just like hope everything worked out the

967
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 9: next year.

968
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 4: So did we?

969
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 9: What is the significant improvement they've made on offense?

970
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 4: Bill O'Brien, Micah Sicki, he's those guys are.

971
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 11: Uploaded a video of the Patriots on a TV that

972
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 11: people are reading into his os.

973
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but Micah Sicki replacing John new Smith is a

974
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 4: big should be a big improvement.

975
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 9: We should probably talk about Deandrew Hopkins.

976
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: Now. I was gonna bring him up because there was

977
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: some emails that mentioned so I was gonna like, okay,

978
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: you can organically we can talk about it now as

979
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: well you brought it up.

980
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 9: Him getting released is not good for the potential in

981
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 9: my opinion of the Patriots getting.

982
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: Him, I agree, yeah, probably not because he's just gonna go. Well,

983
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: first of all, he doesn't want to come here, according

984
00:41:59,640 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: to him.

985
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, now he can pick his team a and more importantly,

986
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 9: he can name his price he's gonna made.

987
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, So I'm not looking at him coming here.

988
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: But reports do say that the Patriots are interested. I

989
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 4: don't know if that's accurate. I mean, it's easy to

990
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 4: speculate that we would be.

991
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 9: I saw a report that Kansas City and Buffalo were

992
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 9: the only two teams that made significant trade offers. Oh,

993
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 9: serious trade offers. I don't know if that's true.

994
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was freer.

995
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 9: I don't know if if the report is true.

996
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 3: I mean, the Patriots should be cutting him a blank check.

997
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: You're gonna get him for You don't have to give

998
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: up anything in a trade for him, now right, you know.

999
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 3: And the one thing the Patriots can do is outbid

1000
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 3: Kansas City and Buffalo like they have. They have the

1001
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 3: cap space to outbid both teams. If you structure the

1002
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: contract correctly, you could give DeAndre Hopkins a pretty significant

1003
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: contract that Kansas City and Buffalo just can't match, you know,

1004
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 3: it's it's to impossible, yeah from a salary cap perspective,

1005
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 3: And if you're the Patriots, this is the exact kind

1006
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 3: of move that you should be absolutely all in on.

1007
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 3: Like I would pay him whatever he wants to get

1008
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: him to come here. And I think eventually money does

1009
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 3: talk for everybody.

1010
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,279
Speaker 9: Absolutely, you outbid everybody and you can get them.

1011
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And.

1012
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 4: That's what sudden. Yeah, I'll go there.

1013
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the exact type of move that they that

1014
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: they need and they should be thinking of making it.

1015
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: Maybe it doesn't work out because of his age and

1016
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 3: and because of the recent injuries and things like that,

1017
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 3: but it's worth the risk at the.

1018
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 11: Very least too, I think it gives you going into

1019
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 11: Max contract your next off or when you need to

1020
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 11: make a decision on Mac Like, it's just such a

1021
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 11: truer test of him he has DeAndre Hopkins Like, there's

1022
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 11: no excuse there.

1023
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 10: You're gonna know what you're getting out of your course.

1024
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 5: It's a nice message to Max, so of like here's

1025
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 5: and Alex.

1026
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 4: When you frame it that way, is it worth what

1027
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 4: you pay DeAndre Hopkins to get that true vision?

1028
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 10: I think it is.

1029
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 11: I mean, would you rather maybe still not be sold

1030
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 11: on Mac this time next year, it's up the differences.

1031
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 11: You got to pay him, and I don't know if

1032
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 11: you want to, and maybe there's nothing else better out there,

1033
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 11: so you kind of get stuck into signing a guy

1034
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 11: you're not sold on.

1035
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: I don't know.

1036
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's sort of where I'm at, Like there's probably

1037
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: nothing better out there at Like Jerry Judy is not

1038
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 3: getting traded. There's no Tyreek Hill trade falling out of

1039
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 3: the sky that we didn't know was coming. It doesn't

1040
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 3: seem like this offseason. So Hopkins is the best guy

1041
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: out on the market, and you can pay him, and

1042
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 3: you're one a whole load of money that these contenders

1043
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 3: can't fid with you on, right, and then get out

1044
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 3: of you know, make sure that you haven't out in

1045
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: the contract after a year or two, Like don't don't

1046
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 3: give him a five year deal, but right if you

1047
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: give him a three year, you know, fifty sixty million

1048
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: dollars deal, he's not going to get that from anybody else.

1049
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 5: I just I do wonder, like just what it really

1050
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 5: is the relationship with Bill O'Brien, What is that all

1051
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 5: right now currently? And how much of it impacts there is.

1052
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 5: I love the move for Buffalo, though, I mean, I

1053
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 5: think if you're Buffalo at this point, what can you know?

1054
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,919
Speaker 9: Absolutely here's the city.

1055
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 5: I guess I'm a little bit too enamored with Patrick

1056
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 5: Mahomes and I'm like, I don't know, he'll probably do

1057
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 5: it without without having to take that risk. But I

1058
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:07,759
Speaker 5: get but you don't want to.

1059
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 4: Do to him. And I hate to say it what

1060
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 4: we did the Brady and just assume he's always going

1061
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: to do it.

1062
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,800
Speaker 9: I think exact spot. They both have number one guys.

1063
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 9: I mean it's Kelsey instead of a wide receiver for

1064
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 9: Kansas City, but they both have the guy. Now, how

1065
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 9: do you want to do you want to just keep

1066
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 9: making the quarterback do it all? Or do you want

1067
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 9: to give him a little bit of help?

1068
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah? I just like and you know, like, say what

1069
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 4: you want about Schuster, But didn't he have seventy catches

1070
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: last year?

1071
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 3: More?

1072
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 4: More?

1073
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 9: Yeah? So I mean it's not like he was almost

1074
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 9: like a Jacoby Myers tie, right.

1075
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 4: So it's not like they lost nothing by him leaving.

1076
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 4: They still have to make up that up, you know.

1077
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 3: I just feel like the the Patriots are far more

1078
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 3: desperate to make a DeAndre Hopkins moves than these other teams,

1079
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: and so that's my point is they should be more desperate,

1080
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 3: and honestly, there's no excuse for them to not make

1081
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: a serious runt at him. Like he's he's a free agent.

1082
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: You're not giving up a second round pick to get

1083
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,760
Speaker 3: him anymore, So you can't use that as an excuse.

1084
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 3: He's a free agent on the market, a wide receiver

1085
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: for a wide receiver needy team that has cap space

1086
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,800
Speaker 3: to spend on it. Like, there's just really no all.

1087
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 10: The competition in the division now needs an answer.

1088
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 4: Speaking of NFL stories, what do you make of this

1089
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 4: Jimmy Garoppolo waiver Brady owner?

1090
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 9: Are we a Brady owner? Thing have to do with it?

1091
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: Well, he's there and if this guy can't play, maybe

1092
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 4: I want to come back for a year.

1093
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 9: You can't do that and do both.

1094
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 4: What do you mean they have to Brady owner?

1095
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 9: Things can't have anything to do with it.

1096
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: No, I'm not saying it has anything to do with it,

1097
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 4: but it could just be a you know, quizze.

1098
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 9: Like his Garoppolo. Like again, forgive me for enjoying my

1099
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 9: Memorial Day weekend. I pulled an error. How can I'm

1100
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 9: not gonna lie I pulled. They can get out. If

1101
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 9: his foot isn't, is he not gonna be able to play? No,

1102
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 9: But didn't he have surgery like in March?

1103
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 4: No, but he signed a waiver that if it's foot

1104
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 4: isn't you know, he didn't have a physical and yeah,

1105
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 4: and so.

1106
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 9: He signed an injury which was news in March, which

1107
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 9: I don't know why all of a sudden, because somehow

1108
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 9: they can get out of that contract. You know, This

1109
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 9: is what happens when I take take Pro Football Talk.

1110
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 9: This is the whole Big Jay battle right now, because

1111
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 9: because Pro Football Talk thinks that he was first to

1112
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 9: report this, even though it was pretty clear that something

1113
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 9: went wrong with the physical back in March when he

1114
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,719
Speaker 9: delayed out, Yes, and everybody started writing about him.

1115
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but nope, Mike Floria broke this news. Don't

1116
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 3: tell him otherwise.

1117
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 9: But I mean, has anything changed in terms of his health?

1118
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 9: I guess is my question? Not so much the contract status.

1119
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 3: I don't know, but the contract changed because he failed

1120
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 3: his physical.

1121
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 9: Right, But by my point, is no new news, like

1122
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 9: he still expected to be able to play like in

1123
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 9: training kid? Yeah, right, all that they knew he had.

1124
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 4: But if he comes out and that foot gets injured again,

1125
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: it's the same injury. I think they can get out

1126
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 4: of the contract.

1127
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all that I know.

1128
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 9: And I know that that's great for the team and

1129
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 9: I and I get that that's money they don't have

1130
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 9: to pay. I get it, that's important to the team.

1131
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 9: But they expect him to be able to play like normal, right,

1132
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 9: they're not getting rid of him, right.

1133
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 3: No, Yeah, they expect him to be able to play.

1134
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: But that's really all it is, is that the guaranteed

1135
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,919
Speaker 3: before injury is less than it was in March. That's it.

1136
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, So that's the only quote unquote news okay.

1137
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 3: Which everybody told you in March.

1138
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 9: That's what I mean, that's kind of what I remembered.

1139
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: He's going to come for me.

1140
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 9: But Brady, and.

1141
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 4: You know the Brady Aura you know, yeah.

1142
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 3: I don't really like understand why it's not. I know,

1143
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 3: you're just doing the bid over there right now, But

1144
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 3: everybody else, everybody else is just really trying to get

1145
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 3: Brady to unretire. Like every single time you see like

1146
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 3: something like it's always like, well, like Brady could play,

1147
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,879
Speaker 3: Like it's like why why do we have to make

1148
00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: it unretired, Like why is this such a thing. I

1149
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 3: just I really hope he just doesn't go down like

1150
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 3: the Brent Farv like path where he's retiring and unretiring

1151
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: and unretired, Like come on, well, I.

1152
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 9: Know what I'm saying. He's already doing it right, and

1153
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 9: then what's gonna happen on opening day against Philadelphia. He's

1154
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 9: not even gonna be there now.

1155
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 3: Like when the Raiders, when this all started to come

1156
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 3: out about him taking ownership of the Raiders, Benvolin immediately

1157
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 3: is like, well, this is gonna make it more difficult

1158
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,920
Speaker 3: for him to play. It's like playing, like why do

1159
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 3: we have to make a play. I'm just in a

1160
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: bad mood.

1161
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 4: All right, all right? Uh emails at web radio at

1162
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 4: Patriots dot com. Uh, mister fly balls, that's what he

1163
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 4: calls himself. We need an X receiver, Parker just ain't

1164
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: cutting it. Hopkins actually makes a lot of sense since

1165
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 4: he already knows the system and we're one of four

1166
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 4: teams that has an opening at X receiver. I would

1167
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 4: definitely only sign him to a one year deal, with

1168
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 4: half of that being a boy year in twenty twenty

1169
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 4: four and with a ped stipulation. Of course, the kid,

1170
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 4: the kid.

1171
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 3: You think you're gonna sign him with all of these stipulations,

1172
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 3: Not a chance.

1173
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 4: Also, we have a bleeping rat find him and bleeping

1174
00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 4: cut him. Set a tone for the sleeping season. He's

1175
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 4: talking about these.

1176
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: The only way the Patriots are getting DeAndre Hopkins is

1177
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 3: they offer him a bag. He's not coming here for

1178
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 3: a one year half guarantee incentive. You know this clause,

1179
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 3: that clase like, that's not happening.

1180
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 4: Okay, let's see Andre from New Jersey. Just want to

1181
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 4: start by saying apologies to Deuce because I'm about to

1182
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: begin some Celtics talk.

1183
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 3: Nope, not doing it. Taking the headphones off.

1184
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,600
Speaker 4: All right now. I am no fan of the team,

1185
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 4: just like watching good fundamental basketball, and Celtics are not

1186
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,319
Speaker 4: that at all. Oh, he just goes on.

1187
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: Not entertaining this conversation.

1188
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 4: No, I mean we had it's it's just a bad

1189
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 4: day here in Boston.

1190
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 5: Evan was there last night, thank you, thanks It was

1191
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 5: him that he spilled some water on the floor there

1192
00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 5: in the first place.

1193
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: Actually, do you know what what did happen? And all

1194
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 3: day long I knew the vibes I were off, like

1195
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,920
Speaker 3: I knew that. I was like, this is it doesn't

1196
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 3: feel good. I don't like, I'm really feeling bad about

1197
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: this game. We get there and the guy that sits

1198
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 3: next to us. My dad has season tickets of Celtics.

1199
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 3: The guy that sits next to us sold his seats.

1200
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 3: He must have been gone for Moor all day weekend.

1201
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 3: Two Heat fans sit down next to us in the

1202
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 3: seats and I'm just sitting there all day long. I

1203
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 3: had a bad feeling. I was like, this is totally

1204
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 3: them to blow this after coming back and you know,

1205
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 3: ruined my life and that as soon as the Heat

1206
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:46,959
Speaker 3: fans sat down next to us.

1207
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,360
Speaker 4: I was like bad sign.

1208
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: I was like we should just leave, like this is

1209
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 3: this is already over. They were actually pretty good because

1210
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 3: it went so poorly that I think that they were

1211
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 3: afraid for their lives if they got to rowdy about it.

1212
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 3: So they they were. They were.

1213
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 4: The place was loud, though, huh oh, it was deafening.

1214
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 5: The pregame they couldn't even hear themselves talking.

1215
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was well, we came ready to play,

1216
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 3: the team did not.

1217
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 5: What was the energy like though, with each ensuing miss

1218
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 5: three pointer because that was to meet well, so that the.

1219
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 3: So to everybody else's point, My my dad's a big

1220
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 3: time Celtics fans obviously, and you know, he's a fundamental

1221
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 3: basketball guy through and through. So every single game I

1222
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 3: go to him, he yells at me about why they're

1223
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 3: taking so many threes, like why do they keep like

1224
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 3: why are they doing this? You know, and he's like,

1225
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,759
Speaker 3: you know, he's like when I back in my day, right,

1226
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 3: like you know they have it was, you know, you

1227
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,760
Speaker 3: wanted to make layups, you didn't want to make threes,

1228
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 3: you wanted to get easy shots, you didn't want to

1229
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 3: take twenty six footers. And I don't even try to

1230
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 3: explain like the analytics of it all anymore of why

1231
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 3: this is the league now, because he's not wrong. Like

1232
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 3: when you're zero from twelve from three and you just

1233
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 3: chucking it, like that's probably not the best strategy. And

1234
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 3: I think that that's the one.

1235
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 4: Thirty five percent from three and you're forty eight percent

1236
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 4: from two, Right, it comes out or something.

1237
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 3: Like that, right, But this is a lot of math

1238
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 3: for him in the moment when he's screaming at the

1239
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 3: stop shooting threes.

1240
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 9: And that's how the Heat almost won game. Six. He

1241
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 9: couldn't make a shot in game six. But they made

1242
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 9: some threes. Yeah, like they shot thirty four percent or

1243
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 9: something like that in game six and had the lead

1244
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 9: wither point one seconds left. Yep, only because they made

1245
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 9: a handful of threes. If I was Celtics couldn't make it.

1246
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 11: And because the Celtics didn't take advantage of being in

1247
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 11: the bonus for what felt like being hired second half,

1248
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 11: God forbid.

1249
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: They go to throw down the stretch at ten point

1250
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 3: three minutes.

1251
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 9: Three minutes left, Marcus playing drop kid.

1252
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 5: No, you're the one I thought of, Paul, You're the

1253
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 5: one I thought of when I watched Sports Center for

1254
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 5: Game six and I saw they gave the last big

1255
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:53,760
Speaker 5: shot to your boy.

1256
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 9: Oh they didn't give it to him.

1257
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: He just did he just take it.

1258
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 9: I mean I wanted, I want to be I love,

1259
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 9: I love the was game with Missoula. He says, you

1260
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 9: know that they asked him what the thought process wasn't

1261
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 9: you know, obviously we're looking to get the ball to

1262
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 9: to to Jason, but we felt like we had an

1263
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 9: opportunity to get the ball in. Take a couple of dribbles.

1264
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 9: No no, no, no, no, no, take a couple of dribbles. No,

1265
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 9: we're just gonna take the ball facing the other basket

1266
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 9: and just turn around and throw it up and then

1267
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 9: somehow would hit the rim and everybody's like, he almost

1268
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 9: made it. He's the only guy in NBA history that

1269
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 9: can be credited for almost making the shot.

1270
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 5: This is what I knew I was gonna get Friday

1271
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 5: when I got Derek.

1272
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 9: What I mean like, that was an unbelievable play by

1273
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 9: Derek White. Was he was in Last Night, he was

1274
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 9: the actually in.

1275
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 4: The past if a Celtic made that play, oh, you know,

1276
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 4: from there, we're gonna win it all.

1277
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 5: And that was and that was that was the whole

1278
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 5: feeling in the pregame show, the whole pregame show, they

1279
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,359
Speaker 5: were acting like it was just like they just had

1280
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 5: to go out there and finish this monumental task, and like.

1281
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 9: I'm gonna kind of did have to just go out there?

1282
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 9: You guys think that in all seriousness, I'm just curious

1283
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 9: how you guys were thinking going into the game. No, Mike,

1284
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 9: I'll leave you up because I know you probably I

1285
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 9: knew they had.

1286
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 4: I knew the heat were gonna come. I was nervous.

1287
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:06,240
Speaker 10: I had an odd confidence.

1288
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 4: But if I was a Heat fan, I would have

1289
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 4: been pissed. You know how Patriots fans, oh, the announcers,

1290
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 4: I would be pissed because it was all Celtics.

1291
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 9: That's when when Evan was getting mad at me before

1292
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 9: the show. I think that was Evan's point, was that

1293
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 9: no one's given Miami right anyway.

1294
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 4: I think at one point, who was the play by

1295
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 4: play guy, Kevin Harlan. Kevin Harlan said, you know about

1296
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 4: the Celtics, He said, hopefully they'll start hitting those threes. Like,

1297
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,400
Speaker 4: who's hoping for that? Like I've never heard an announcer

1298
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 4: actually say that.

1299
00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 9: That's how pitiful it was to watch, Like I just

1300
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 9: can't get over the felt like the whole game unfolds. Whatever.

1301
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 9: I knew they were literally when they weren't up by

1302
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 9: ten five minutes into the game, I knew they were

1303
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,760
Speaker 9: going to be in for a struggle. But to score

1304
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 9: fifteen points in the first quarter of a game seven, right,

1305
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 9: was just beyond anything any nightmare.

1306
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 10: And they started off good too, and they just climb back.

1307
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 10: It was they had it was, you.

1308
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 3: Know, I give Miami c I I will fully admit

1309
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 3: that I thought that the heats an eight seed. You

1310
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 3: know that they they are roster talents nowhere near the Celtics.

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Speaker 3: I'm not like gonna do one, Paul, don't worry. But

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Speaker 3: that Miami team is an absolute cockroach, Like they just

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Speaker 3: do not.

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Speaker 9: Like it's because they have dogs do not and I do.

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Speaker 9: But that's where I agree more without like you know,

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Speaker 9: in terms of that. But we can leave our argument

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Speaker 9: off air. No, no, but to that point, like I

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Speaker 9: and I get annoyed sometimes with some of the cliches

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: J Butler wasn't even the best player.

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Speaker 15: They we got the three people.

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Speaker 9: Who were convinced those guys, Like I can imagine, like

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Speaker 9: I can almost hear the despair in ninety nine percent

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Speaker 9: of professional coaches after to a lost like that in

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Speaker 9: Game six, Yeah, like almost like written all over a

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Speaker 9: guy's face. We blew our chance, like and he immediately said,

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Speaker 9: I don't think that was fake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a set, that Miami team drives me up

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Speaker 3: a wall. I hate every single player on that Miami

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Speaker 3: have nowhere near as much talent from top to bottom,

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Speaker 11: The arguing that they don't have the heart, they're not dogs,

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Speaker 11: I'm not doing this because soft, Like just so I

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Speaker 14: Die.

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Speaker 9: It's bad if it's like and you can't play.

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Speaker 11: He can't dribble the ball. We literally every Celtics playoffs,

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Speaker 22: and pile up points for yards, touchdowns, receptions, and so

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Speaker 2: Patriots fans, you'll want to check out the replay on

1533
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 2: this one. Pat the Patriot is stealing the show tonight

1534
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 2: with his Bank of America mobile banking app.

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Speaker 16: That's right, folks, So here we see Pat cheering and

1536
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,640
Speaker 16: then whammo, is that Bank of America life planned.

1537
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 2: Looks like he's saving up for some big future moves,

1538
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,320
Speaker 2: planning the next vacah big guy.

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Speaker 16: And wait, now he's paying back his buddy for concessions

1540
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 16: using zel no penalty there, incredible.

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Speaker 9: No way.

1542
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 2: As if that double move wasn't impressive enough, Now he's

1543
01:08:22,360 --> 01:08:24,840
Speaker 2: beefing up his account defense with security meter.

1544
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:27,600
Speaker 3: Holy conoli, what a performance.

1545
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 16: Bank of America's digital tools are so impressive. Patriot fans

1546
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,400
Speaker 16: just can't stop banking. Learn more at Bankofamerica dot com

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Speaker 16: download the latest version of the Mobile banking app, only

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Speaker 16: available on select mobile devices. Message in data rates may apply.

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Speaker 16: Terms and conditions apply Member FDIC.

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01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:50,840
Speaker 9: And now great moments in.

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01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:53,599
Speaker 4: History.

1553
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,479
Speaker 9: I have to be honest. He thoroughly confuses me almost

1554
01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 9: every time he falls, like what on the on the

1555
01:08:59,720 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 9: money day? What like what Monday yesterday?

1556
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 5: Maybe a week for money that there's no official practice scheduled,

1557
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,599
Speaker 5: but there might be a secret practice of some sort

1558
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:09,520
Speaker 5: that we would.

1559
01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,160
Speaker 9: We will be live during the two panthers Tuesday and

1560
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,760
Speaker 9: wednes Tuesday and Wednesday, right like we always I mean

1561
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 9: since we started doing the joint practices, We've always done

1562
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:21,679
Speaker 9: live during the joint practices.

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01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 4: Yep, right, yep.

1564
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 9: I don't know. It might be a me thing.

1565
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 5: Any any camp that we practice we go to, we'll

1566
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 5: have a camp cast rap at very at the very least.

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 4: Paul gets very defensive when anyone asked him, are you

1568
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:37,720
Speaker 4: going to be doing any work? It's very defensive, Well,

1569
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:38,719
Speaker 4: we do lots.

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Speaker 9: Of work, Like are you going to continue the camp cast?

1571
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:45,479
Speaker 9: Is like, no, we decided this ship. We're gonna only

1572
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 9: only half a camp. We're gonna do it. We're not

1573
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 9: going to do the rest.

1574
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,679
Speaker 5: He knows, he knows we got him.

1575
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:55,600
Speaker 4: That's another great moment from all right back here on

1576
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 4: Patriots Unfiltered eight five five Pats five hundred is the

1577
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 4: Ace ticket hut line, web radio at Patriots dot com is.

1578
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 4: The email address is Duce, Alex, Evan, Paul Me, Matt Nabooth,

1579
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,080
Speaker 4: Paul still leading. What you got the Buffalo Buffalo tenders.

1580
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 4: Don't call them wings if they don't have bones, No

1581
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,720
Speaker 4: barbecue wings. Let's see Alex and Raleigh rights. And in

1582
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:18,600
Speaker 4: the last show, Fred made a great point about the

1583
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 4: team's ownership and it got me fired up for this year.

1584
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 4: I think the Patriots could surprise us this year and

1585
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 4: have a great season. Right now, I have the optimism

1586
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 4: of Fred and Paul's it always works out for the Patriots,

1587
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 4: feeling the team at least gets to the playoffs and

1588
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 4: wins a game. As of right now, I feel the

1589
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,080
Speaker 4: moves we made this offseason improved our team and both

1590
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 4: playmaking and coaching. If it all works out for the Patriots,

1591
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:44,640
Speaker 4: they could get off to a hot start in the

1592
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 4: first month and a half of the season. I also

1593
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 4: agree with Evan the second things go wrong with Aaron

1594
01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 4: Rodgers and the Jets. He will mentally check out.

1595
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 9: So there you go, I hope.

1596
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 4: So, yeah, Aaron Rodgers.

1597
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,080
Speaker 5: You can see him at the Taylor Swift concert. It

1598
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 5: looked like he was getting his dance on.

1599
01:11:02,640 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was rocking out. I think he made I

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01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:07,479
Speaker 4: saw he made a lot of fans on Twitter because

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01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 4: of that. Like, oh, I like Aaron Rodgers. Now the

1602
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 4: Jets made.

1603
01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 11: The Jets made a video like we did, and he

1604
01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:16,519
Speaker 11: came prepared as Mac did too.

1605
01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 10: And but I think Aaron might even be a bigger fan.

1606
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,880
Speaker 5: I can't lie WHOA don't tell Sophie, did you see

1607
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:25,000
Speaker 5: Josh Allen? I think is dating Hailey Steinfeld?

1608
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 9: Happy about so he's going Hollywood Now.

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01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm extremely I'm not even being good

1610
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:34,320
Speaker 3: for sarcastic. I am be I am really happy about this. Yeah,

1611
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 3: this is and this is a an exact way to

1612
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,880
Speaker 3: to just take his mind off of football and start

1613
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 3: dating a hot actress, like, go for it, Josh, do it.

1614
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 4: Sophie.

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01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:45,960
Speaker 9: Hailey Steinfeld?

1616
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 5: She who was she was in? She was in Pitch

1617
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 5: Pitch Perfect, Yeah, she was in that. She was also

1618
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 5: in a remake of True Grit, which that's a rebate.

1619
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 4: I think, yeah, that was John Wayne had the first one.

1620
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, and she played the little girl. I hope I'm

1621
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 5: not mess that up because I computed pretending.

1622
01:12:02,520 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 3: She's I just didn't know his a remake.

1623
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:06,720
Speaker 5: But she's yeah, yeah, so you knows she's a good

1624
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 5: She was in Bumblebee too.

1625
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, she's she's she's a child actress, just like

1626
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:16,080
Speaker 3: she's like, she's a very wholesome girl despite being a

1627
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:16,879
Speaker 3: famous actress.

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01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 10: She's kind of low key to for an actress.

1629
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,520
Speaker 9: So she's like fits Buffalo. You think Buffalo.

1630
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 3: It's perfect. Just spend all your off season with her.

1631
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:25,680
Speaker 3: Josh speaking of a movie, and I.

1632
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,799
Speaker 9: Think that's usually the beginning of the downfall.

1633
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 4: I was gonna call listen if I promised to see

1634
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:33,560
Speaker 4: the flash Will you stop showing the commercial?

1635
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:37,639
Speaker 9: I know, So what do we think of that? Matt Man?

1636
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 9: You're not you know really, I think.

1637
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:40,599
Speaker 4: It looks good.

1638
01:12:41,280 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 9: You turn your mic on that first time doing this.

1639
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 4: It doesn't work.

1640
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 15: I think it's gonna suck, but I'm entuced for it.

1641
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:49,240
Speaker 4: Why why? Why? Too much going on?

1642
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,519
Speaker 15: What's going on? I think they screw up the flash points.

1643
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 15: I'm not gonna judge, like I don't know.

1644
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:54,879
Speaker 10: They're like trying to do the Avengers thing.

1645
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 5: And Matt Morrell will the Fire and Nezra Miller as

1646
01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:58,200
Speaker 5: the Flash.

1647
01:12:58,240 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 15: So this will start everything over again.

1648
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 9: You're gonna love it. You will love it. I know

1649
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 9: you'll love it.

1650
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:04,879
Speaker 5: You're gonna be like, it was amazing.

1651
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 9: I don't know what I was thinking.

1652
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 15: I've got tickets for three shows.

1653
01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 9: Exactly.

1654
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm gonna go see it. Tickets

1655
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:13,040
Speaker 3: for three shows.

1656
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:15,040
Speaker 4: And who was going to see the Barbie movie? I

1657
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:15,600
Speaker 4: kind of want to.

1658
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it's getting good reviews, seriousness.

1659
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 10: Margot Robbie signed me up.

1660
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:22,040
Speaker 9: I like what they're doing, and they're like, if you love.

1661
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 5: But if you hate Barbie guys, you'll love it.

1662
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:26,880
Speaker 9: So I thought the trailer looked funny.

1663
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 5: They just released like the longer trailer, which kind of

1664
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,439
Speaker 5: gives it away you know what it is. But I thought, uh,

1665
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 5: Ryan Gosling looked pretty funny, just dumb look on his face.

1666
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:37,240
Speaker 5: He seemed like he probably doesn't pretty can yeah ken,

1667
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 5: I'll see that.

1668
01:13:38,240 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 3: I probably won't see it, but I won't go to yeah.

1669
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,760
Speaker 4: Wait for cable. We watched Air.

1670
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 9: Though I haven't watched Air, I did Oh my god.

1671
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 11: My stepdad was so funny. Yesterday my mom had a

1672
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 11: little barbecue and he.

1673
01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 10: Was like, oh, you guys, I watched this movie. It's

1674
01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 10: really old, but I think you'll like it. It's about

1675
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 10: Nike and Michael Jordan. I'm like, that's not an old movie.

1676
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 4: I've just finished.

1677
01:13:56,760 --> 01:13:58,160
Speaker 10: He's like, what do you mean all the cars were

1678
01:13:58,160 --> 01:13:58,839
Speaker 10: from the eighties.

1679
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 15: I thought it was from the off.

1680
01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:04,000
Speaker 3: Who was the period piece?

1681
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:06,000
Speaker 9: It a period I mean they could just get old

1682
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 9: cars and put them in make it look. Mike turned

1683
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,680
Speaker 9: to Jackie Mason.

1684
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 3: Shock to you know, I'm a sucker for anything Michael

1685
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 3: Jordan like that. Just I'll watch anything that has to

1686
01:14:22,280 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 3: do with him.

1687
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 10: Last Dance Davis is an amazing playing. So I haven't

1688
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 10: seen it yet, but I really want to. I've heard

1689
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:29,720
Speaker 10: great things.

1690
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 5: I said to Evan that movie was example to me

1691
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 5: of how easy it is to make movies now, Like

1692
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 5: if you just get a couple couple actors, you know,

1693
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:37,840
Speaker 5: you have a handful of good actors, and then you

1694
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 5: have like a green screen and three locations and then

1695
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:41,840
Speaker 5: you just shoot a whole movie. Like I don't know

1696
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 5: that it's not like it used to be.

1697
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 10: We need to tell these people because.

1698
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 3: Isn't this like so it's that's an Amazon movie. We

1699
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 3: watched it on Prime right, and it was just in

1700
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,719
Speaker 3: theaters like a month ago, and now it's already in Prime.

1701
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 3: And you could tell that Amazon and Netflix like they're

1702
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:02,080
Speaker 3: very capable of making award winning movies because that's all

1703
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,880
Speaker 3: it takes nowadays, is just like give me Matt Damon,

1704
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 3: Ben Affleck and Jason Bateman and let's make a movie

1705
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 3: and by Old Davis and or just the Rock.

1706
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 5: That's all the rock and a green screen.

1707
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 9: We got.

1708
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:14,680
Speaker 3: Those movies have higher budgets, I think, but you know

1709
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 3: these like that movie, you're right like like how much

1710
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,679
Speaker 3: could that really have cost? Amazon?

1711
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 5: There it's just Mad and Ben in a room. I'm like,

1712
01:15:22,280 --> 01:15:24,519
Speaker 5: you could have shot seven like seven.

1713
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:25,960
Speaker 4: Did?

1714
01:15:26,000 --> 01:15:28,560
Speaker 9: They didn't the lead, but they could, I know.

1715
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 3: But it was great.

1716
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 9: Like it's entertaining a thing on Twitter about you know,

1717
01:15:32,840 --> 01:15:35,960
Speaker 9: facts and fiction for air and oh yeah, you know

1718
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 9: there was some things that they took liberties with, but

1719
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 9: they always do that, you know, based on a true

1720
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 9: story or whatever.

1721
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, we talked to Session too. I'm sure there's some

1722
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 5: people out there.

1723
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't want to wrap too early.

1724
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 3: You already spoiled too early.

1725
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 5: But but it's a good.

1726
01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 4: Show, all right, h eight five five, pass five hundred.

1727
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 4: Let's go to the phones. Uh, Todd's in North Carolina?

1728
01:15:56,120 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 4: What's up? Todd?

1729
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 7: Wow? You guys go from poo too to move you know, Patriots,

1730
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 7: unfiltered basketball and filtered season?

1731
01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 4: Baby? Yep?

1732
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 10: The best is pregame show or pre show?

1733
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:11,320
Speaker 4: Wait, don't we get to uh after mini camp?

1734
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 10: I'm going blackmail evident Paul with that video. I took

1735
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 10: over the fight.

1736
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 3: It's funny that it worked, that it boiled over on that.

1737
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 3: Like of all the things that we've disagreed upon since

1738
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 3: I got here, it was the Celtics broke us Celtics.

1739
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:29,479
Speaker 11: Yeah, is you guys screaming at each other and me

1740
01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 11: just saying random things like to just stir the pot more.

1741
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 4: I loved it.

1742
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 5: I loved it even the whole time.

1743
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 9: It's fun and I was like, what happened last night?

1744
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 9: Who won?

1745
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 4: What do you get taught?

1746
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,559
Speaker 7: I don't know. I keep listening to this pretty good conversation.

1747
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 7: I feel bad about interrupting on those other stations. I

1748
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:52,760
Speaker 7: think even one of the ones that Paul very much

1749
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,280
Speaker 7: frequence Once in a while, they're all up in arms

1750
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 7: about the Joe Judge still being on the team and

1751
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 7: how the chemistry could be shot this and that. How

1752
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,240
Speaker 7: much of a difference you guys really think it can make.

1753
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 7: I think he can be managed. I don't think it's

1754
01:17:05,080 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 7: going to.

1755
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 17: Be his.

1756
01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 4: I'm not that upset. Yeah, I'm not that upset that

1757
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 4: he's still on the team. And you know, I like,

1758
01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,160
Speaker 4: just like Patricia, he was put in a really bad position,

1759
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 4: and like I think Bill to his credit and maybe

1760
01:17:20,479 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's his credit, you know, to a fault,

1761
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 4: but like he's loyal to people, like you did you

1762
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,320
Speaker 4: did your best for me. I'm not going to just

1763
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 4: throw you out on the street. And I got to

1764
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,320
Speaker 4: imagine if Patricia hadn't hooked up with another team, he

1765
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,200
Speaker 4: still might be getting paid by this team.

1766
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 3: You know, I just how many chances is he going

1767
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 3: to get chances? Okay, well, last year it wasn't just

1768
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 3: that he was at a position, like there was real

1769
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 3: issues with him and the players.

1770
01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 4: Last year there was. But maybe maybe Judge was like

1771
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 4: this is really bad, like the off they shouldn't be

1772
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,879
Speaker 4: doing this. Maybe it was really between him and Patricia

1773
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 4: that was the issue to the players. Maybe off like

1774
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 4: he was butting in.

1775
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 3: Maybe, but that's not that's not what the reporting is, right.

1776
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 3: The reporting is is that he would come in and

1777
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 3: tell them the wrong things and then they would have

1778
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,400
Speaker 3: to go and make it correct.

1779
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 4: And now and tell me what those corrections were.

1780
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,800
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm not saying that they right, they made

1781
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 3: any good correction?

1782
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:18,240
Speaker 4: Who was right?

1783
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 3: No, you could be right. All I'm saying is is

1784
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: that I tend to try, you know, steer on the

1785
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 3: side of the players right and listen to what they're

1786
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:27,960
Speaker 3: telling us and listen to how they feel about it.

1787
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 3: They clearly had issues with the setup last year, and

1788
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 3: this oversight with the OTAs thing is not the biggest

1789
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: deal in the world. But it's just it's the wrong

1790
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,160
Speaker 3: guy again, Like you know, it's a battle look and

1791
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 3: so to me, that's two strikes, like it's too like

1792
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 3: whether it's all fair.

1793
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:50,720
Speaker 4: So Judge, Joe, Judge says, Joe. Judge says, hold on,

1794
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 4: hold on, Todd, Todd, hold on, hold on. Joe just

1795
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,160
Speaker 4: says to Bill Belichick, Hey, I want to add this

1796
01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 4: fifteen minute Specialtyam's Workshop, because we really don't have anything, okay?

1797
01:19:01,439 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 4: Is that Joe Judge's fault that like somebody it didn't

1798
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 4: fit into the four hours, Like shouldn't somebody be like

1799
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 4: the vice president of the O t A.

1800
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 3: So So here's my should that be, Joe Judge? I

1801
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,360
Speaker 3: hear you. My fear is is that? Because so if

1802
01:19:16,360 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 3: you listen, if you actually read the what uh some

1803
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 3: people have put out but Dart has put out a

1804
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 3: version of it. Breer has put out a version of it.

1805
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:26,920
Speaker 3: It was it wasn't on like the main schedule. It

1806
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 3: was like the door. It was on like a tack board,

1807
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 3: like on the door, like or the white board on

1808
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 3: the door. Did he write it there himself?

1809
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 2: Like?

1810
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 3: Did did did he? Did he go up the ladder

1811
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:41,080
Speaker 3: and and tell every all the people that need to

1812
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 3: know about scheduling that in.

1813
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 4: The reporting that you you know, are citing. I think

1814
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 4: there was also a part of it that said there

1815
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 4: was a memo that went out like beginning of OTAs

1816
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 4: to everybody that everything has to be within.

1817
01:19:56,439 --> 01:20:00,439
Speaker 9: From Bill from Bill from Bill, Bill wrote, right, who

1818
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 9: ignored it?

1819
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 4: Judge?

1820
01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 3: Based on somebody ignored it? I That's all I'm saying.

1821
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 9: I mean, Judge is being again we don't know what

1822
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 9: actually happened, but that's what people are writing.

1823
01:20:11,080 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 4: Well, that's yeah, because he's he's the easy target.

1824
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 9: Okay, but Fred, he's an easy target because he's done

1825
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 9: a lot of things wrong. Yeah, that's why he's an

1826
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 9: easy target. I'm with Evan. I can't believe he's still

1827
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 9: on the staff. I can't based on the amount of

1828
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:28,000
Speaker 9: friction that evidently existed between Joe Judge and players on

1829
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 9: the team last year. I can't imagine Bill wouldn't just

1830
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 9: look at it and say we got to remove that. Yeah.

1831
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 3: I just don't know how you take him seriously. I

1832
01:20:36,600 --> 01:20:38,840
Speaker 3: think that's the biggest thing to me is if you're

1833
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 3: trying to get him to coach up players and I

1834
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,560
Speaker 3: know now he's just going to be doing it on

1835
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 3: special teams, which is where he belongs at the end

1836
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,840
Speaker 3: of the day. But if you're a player on special

1837
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,280
Speaker 3: teams and there's any seat of doubt in your mind

1838
01:20:49,320 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 3: about what he's teaching you or telling you, like, how

1839
01:20:52,280 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 3: do how do you trust in him that he's putting

1840
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 3: you in the best positions and doing what's best for

1841
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 3: the whole team and everything, Like, I'm not I don't like,

1842
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:06,720
Speaker 3: you know, firing people. It's not my call, but I

1843
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,400
Speaker 3: think eventually you have to ask do the pros outweigh

1844
01:21:10,439 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 3: the cons of this guy being in the building?

1845
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:14,960
Speaker 4: Sorry about that go ahead problem.

1846
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 7: Do you think there'll be a problem with him dealing

1847
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 7: with some of the rookies then, because like, is he

1848
01:21:18,960 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 7: gonna you know, not be able to take the guys

1849
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 7: and mold them?

1850
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:22,120
Speaker 18: Like what?

1851
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 7: And put it in that line, what is your third

1852
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,439
Speaker 7: strike with him? What do you think would you know,

1853
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 7: finally steam out the door.

1854
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 3: Well, let's see what's like on the field. You know,

1855
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 3: I think on Special Teams he's gonna more or less

1856
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 3: be co running the show with with cam Accord, And

1857
01:21:35,479 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 3: if it's a disaster again on the field, then I

1858
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: wouldn't be surprised if both of them are out of here.

1859
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 5: That that was just one thing I wanted to bring up.

1860
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 5: Not a big piece of this, but a piece of

1861
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,599
Speaker 5: it that I think isn't talked about is how does

1862
01:21:45,640 --> 01:21:46,240
Speaker 5: camic Court.

1863
01:21:46,120 --> 01:21:46,640
Speaker 9: Fit into all this?

1864
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 5: Like, is Joe Judge now scheduling Special Teams meetings on

1865
01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 5: his own? Is he kind of running a certain aspect

1866
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 5: of Special Teams by himself? Was you know Cam a

1867
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:57,639
Speaker 5: Court aware of these meetings, like that's one little part

1868
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 5: of it.

1869
01:21:57,920 --> 01:21:58,640
Speaker 9: That I'm interested in.

1870
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,599
Speaker 5: And this is another thing that happens every year where

1871
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 5: the coaching dynamics shift and we don't even have any

1872
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 5: idea of what the setup.

1873
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:08,120
Speaker 3: It certainly feels like Joe Judge is taking over special teams.

1874
01:22:08,160 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 9: And I'm going to give another element of this that

1875
01:22:11,200 --> 01:22:13,919
Speaker 9: sort of rubs me the wrong way. And again reports,

1876
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 9: so we don't know exactly what the structure is. But

1877
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,240
Speaker 9: Greg Bernard reported that he is the assistant head coach,

1878
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 9: so that puts him above all those guys. So not

1879
01:22:27,080 --> 01:22:31,360
Speaker 9: only this guy, based on reports, rubbed everybody the wrong way,

1880
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,240
Speaker 9: he ended up with a promotion out of it, at

1881
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 9: least a name.

1882
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing, Paul.

1883
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,000
Speaker 9: You know, Yeah, that's ridiculous.

1884
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,040
Speaker 4: Fred, Is he really doing you know, is he really.

1885
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 9: He's costing the team OT's bill.

1886
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:47,920
Speaker 4: All of a sudden got sick. Joe Judge be the coach?

1887
01:22:49,439 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 9: I would say, if that report is accurate, yes, yeah,

1888
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:53,040
Speaker 9: but I.

1889
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,879
Speaker 5: Do I go back to your point, Fred about loyalty,

1890
01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:58,000
Speaker 5: and I just I wonder if if that has been

1891
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 5: you know, a hindrance here at the end with some

1892
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 5: of these guys and instead of being willing to take

1893
01:23:04,439 --> 01:23:05,799
Speaker 5: a chance on somebody young.

1894
01:23:07,560 --> 01:23:11,280
Speaker 4: Position it's one of Bill's like you can say it's

1895
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,840
Speaker 4: it's a it's it's a good thing. But it's also

1896
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:19,280
Speaker 4: a good thing to you know, whether it's coaches in college,

1897
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 4: coaches that he's doing a solid by drafting their guy,

1898
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,519
Speaker 4: or you know, paying you know a little bit more

1899
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 4: to a player who's one of his circle the wagon guys.

1900
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 4: It's it's it's obviously a thing. It's been a thing

1901
01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 4: since Bill's been here, and so you can't say, oh no,

1902
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,240
Speaker 4: it's a thing. It's a thing.

1903
01:23:39,400 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 5: Especially I mean, I mean not to players, but but

1904
01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 5: to coaches. I mean, that's the thing. And I think

1905
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 5: he always I mean, I just remember that line from

1906
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 5: the O nine doc when they were talking about the

1907
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 5: Giants and he's like, yeah, you know, all the administrative

1908
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 5: staff is all the same, like they'll run the coaches

1909
01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:54,040
Speaker 5: out of the town, but you know, nobody else changes.

1910
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 5: So I get that point of it. I just I

1911
01:23:56,920 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 5: just wonder what point, you know is it is it really?

1912
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 5: I mean I would say to Alex what Alex said

1913
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:03,680
Speaker 5: that last year it cost him, and you know, it

1914
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 5: seems like we're continuing down that road with I just think, like.

1915
01:24:06,200 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 3: Last year with Joe Judge and whether the reporting is

1916
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,400
Speaker 3: accurate about who was telling people what and if it

1917
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:14,560
Speaker 3: was right or wrong or whatever, the general consensus was

1918
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 3: that Judge was overstepping, that he was overstepping. He was

1919
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 3: the quarterbacks coach last year, Matt Patricia was really your

1920
01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 3: de facto offensive coordinator without the title, and everybody in

1921
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,080
Speaker 3: the building that the Harold spoke to in that big

1922
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 3: piece and other people I have spoken to, it felt

1923
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,000
Speaker 3: like he was overstepping. And to me, him going and

1924
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 3: setting up a special teams meeting that doesn't fit into

1925
01:24:35,400 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 3: the four hours of the schedule feels like overstepping again,

1926
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,960
Speaker 3: Like I don't know how else you can really categorize.

1927
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 5: It also feels very on brand for him.

1928
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 9: Right Yeah, And I think that as part of that story,

1929
01:24:46,160 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 9: that Harold story, there was specific, specific stories told about

1930
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 9: Mac and Joe Judge not getting along, Mac not liking it,

1931
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 9: And again to me, it's like, yeah, okay, you know, yeah, okay,

1932
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 9: whatever duly noted, nothing's gonna change. He's still gonna be here. Like,

1933
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 9: I just don't think it sends a great message, But

1934
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 9: that might be part of Bill's plan, Like Bill just

1935
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:18,519
Speaker 9: might not really wonder about how Mac Jones is gonna

1936
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,080
Speaker 9: deal with it. He's just saying, well, I think Joe

1937
01:25:21,160 --> 01:25:22,439
Speaker 9: Judge is a good coach, and I think he's the

1938
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,440
Speaker 9: best guy, you know whatever, and he's gonna be steadfast

1939
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 9: in his belief that Joe Judge is a net positive.

1940
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 9: I find it hard to believe that that's the case.

1941
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:33,799
Speaker 9: Not because I don't think Joe Judge knows anything about football.

1942
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 9: I think all of these guys, yeah, I mean, you

1943
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:38,679
Speaker 9: don't assent to this level without knowing anything about football.

1944
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,320
Speaker 9: But I think sometimes is it a net zero because

1945
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 9: whatever he's given you in terms of game plan ideas

1946
01:25:46,400 --> 01:25:49,280
Speaker 9: or x's and o's is outweighed by the fact that

1947
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 9: half the team doesn't like him. That certainly seemed like

1948
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:53,800
Speaker 9: it was the case with the Giants at the end,

1949
01:25:54,960 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 9: the way that the Giants players were talking about him

1950
01:25:57,120 --> 01:26:00,559
Speaker 9: as as that ended. I just I think Mike's point

1951
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,439
Speaker 9: about the loyalty is a good one. I think sometimes

1952
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,719
Speaker 9: you can you can get yourself in trouble with that again.

1953
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:08,680
Speaker 9: Will I mean, I'm not going to pretend to know

1954
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:12,000
Speaker 9: more about the situation than they do, but I just

1955
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 9: don't really know why he's still here.

1956
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with that. I'm coming from the same place

1957
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 3: as Paul. Joe Judge, I think is a good, good

1958
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 3: football coach, especially in special teams x's and knows things

1959
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 3: like that. I'm sure he knows all of it. But

1960
01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 3: when when it comes to personalities and it comes to

1961
01:26:27,000 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 3: relationships in the building, you have to start wondering whether

1962
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:30,960
Speaker 3: it's worth it.

1963
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:35,080
Speaker 4: So and then you you know the question that Deuce

1964
01:26:35,200 --> 01:26:37,599
Speaker 4: asked earliest. So if Joe Judge is the one posting

1965
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,840
Speaker 4: this post it on the wall, where is camc Court?

1966
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 7: Right?

1967
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 9: Was he in that meeting? Was aware of the meeting?

1968
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 4: He's the special teams coordination. Shouldn't he be the one

1969
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 4: posting for right or wrong? Shouldn't he be the one saying,

1970
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:50,200
Speaker 4: let's have a workshop.

1971
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 5: I don't mean maybe, but maybe maybe that's not his

1972
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 5: role anymore. Maybe he's relegated to he's only doing kickoffs now,

1973
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:57,439
Speaker 5: like you know.

1974
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, Like, yeah, there's a little little bit

1975
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:04,680
Speaker 3: of DeAndre Hopkins news. He has hired an agent he

1976
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 3: was previously for him that's previously not represented. Yeah, and

1977
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:12,720
Speaker 3: he's with Clutch Sports now. And there was one of

1978
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,040
Speaker 3: those guys, I forget his name, but one of those

1979
01:27:15,200 --> 01:27:19,800
Speaker 3: non certified agents was previously trying to the same thing

1980
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:23,000
Speaker 3: happened with Lamar Jackson, or one of those kind of

1981
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 3: you know, managers if you want to call him, that

1982
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 3: was sort of making calls on his behalf. It seemed like,

1983
01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:30,720
Speaker 3: and because of what happened with Lamar Jackson, teams are

1984
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 3: really hanging up on this person. But he's hired a

1985
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 3: real agent now.

1986
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:39,400
Speaker 9: So that's good. Yeah, because I saw Jeremy Follower yesterday

1987
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 9: was talking about him not being represented, right, and I agree.

1988
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, not good for the player at the end of

1989
01:27:45,240 --> 01:27:47,520
Speaker 4: the day. You know, I don't know what the percentages

1990
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:51,040
Speaker 4: you pay these guys four percent, but it's it's a lot.

1991
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 5: It's a lot of just to have somebody at for you.

1992
01:27:55,400 --> 01:27:57,320
Speaker 4: It's like trying to sell your own house, Like you

1993
01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:00,160
Speaker 4: can do it, but like if you screw up, you.

1994
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:03,759
Speaker 11: Need somebody, especially a guy of this profile and Lamar's profile.

1995
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:07,599
Speaker 11: It's like you're not just getting some scrub that's like, yeah,

1996
01:28:07,640 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 11: he's going to negotiate your salary, like you're probably getting

1997
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:10,880
Speaker 11: the best of the best.

1998
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:16,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, let's go to North Carolina. What's up, Eldred?

1999
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,320
Speaker 13: Hey, ladies, gentlemen, how y'all doing all right?

2000
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 18: All right?

2001
01:28:21,560 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 13: Hey, I'm a big Celtic fan too, and I'm like

2002
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 13: everybody else. Taylor and Brown, you gotta get some dogs in.

2003
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 13: They don't have it. They're they're too nice to whatever.

2004
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 13: They ain't they just think about just put just put

2005
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,720
Speaker 13: in their throat, just keep mashing it. They don't. They

2006
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:44,599
Speaker 13: don't have that, you know. So and Brown, I'm with Alex.

2007
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,760
Speaker 13: You can't do it between five people. You learned that

2008
01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:51,479
Speaker 13: in high school. So I don't know why you keep

2009
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:51,880
Speaker 13: doing that.

2010
01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:57,360
Speaker 4: And we're not We're not getting Celtics calls, and there

2011
01:28:57,439 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 4: might be somebody behind you. You kind of have to

2012
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 4: worry about that too, you know. It's ah slow low basketball,

2013
01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 4: like you.

2014
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,639
Speaker 9: Fred's really upset with Jalen Brown texted me last night.

2015
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 13: But back to the Patriot. You start Gunzalars day one.

2016
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,080
Speaker 13: You know, you take your lumps and pains, you like

2017
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 13: they did with Gilmore when Gilmo Starry Buffalo. You see

2018
01:29:18,080 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 13: how he turned down, So you start him day one.

2019
01:29:21,200 --> 01:29:25,439
Speaker 13: Jack Jones, Jones, Jonathan Jones, you don't play behind him.

2020
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 13: They played beside him. You know.

2021
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 9: I would think so. I mean, Russille Dowling started Week

2022
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,000
Speaker 9: one right out of the gate as a as a rookie.

2023
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 9: I can't see why this kid can't start with that athleticism.

2024
01:29:34,240 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 5: He's got to be an idiot, like you know, like

2025
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:38,040
Speaker 5: you gotta be like he's good.

2026
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,400
Speaker 9: I know the situations are different because they didn't have

2027
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 9: I mean, they didn't have the same personnel. Was it

2028
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 9: twenty eleven? I think the worst they didn't have. Yeah,

2029
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,479
Speaker 9: they didn't have the same personnel then and probably better chance.

2030
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:54,280
Speaker 9: But this guy should have every just start right out

2031
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 9: of the game.

2032
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 4: It's just so funny, like questions go ahead.

2033
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:00,920
Speaker 13: Okay, those tall corners that I see we got on

2034
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,320
Speaker 13: the roster. I know we drafted speed, y'all. Don't think

2035
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:06,639
Speaker 13: by chance any one of those I know they're rookies.

2036
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:09,800
Speaker 13: I know they are undrafted free agency. You don't think

2037
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 13: they might be good enough to you know, Okay, he

2038
01:30:12,080 --> 01:30:16,080
Speaker 13: played better than Males, he played better than Brian. Just

2039
01:30:16,600 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 13: put them out there with the speed because you got

2040
01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,400
Speaker 13: a team of speeds all over you know, I know,

2041
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 13: I understand, you know, Veteran's been there, but I'm just

2042
01:30:25,160 --> 01:30:27,639
Speaker 13: tired of seeing Brian and Jones getting beat left and right,

2043
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,040
Speaker 13: like like they told you know what I mean, So

2044
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:35,040
Speaker 13: I'll take my chance with somebody like that. And uh, Alex,

2045
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 13: I mean I have Evan, You're right, get rid of Judge,

2046
01:30:39,040 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 13: get rid of before you start the locker room. I

2047
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,560
Speaker 13: wouldn't have the first one. Well, thank you, I have

2048
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:45,200
Speaker 13: a good one together.

2049
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,479
Speaker 4: I just say, you know, Gonzales starts out slow and

2050
01:30:52,640 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 4: Bill's pissy at a prescottens Like, you know, Bill, you

2051
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:58,240
Speaker 4: know what is it about Gonzales that you know made

2052
01:30:58,280 --> 01:31:02,240
Speaker 4: him a starting night? You've seen that five second That's

2053
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 4: what everyone's hanging ahead, the five second video.

2054
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 9: That'd be awesome. He did a stop on a start.

2055
01:31:08,080 --> 01:31:11,080
Speaker 9: I was just caution about the two late round guys

2056
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 9: like especially speed, a mere speed. He really didn't even

2057
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 9: play cornerback in college like he played really one year

2058
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 9: at Michigan State. Couldn't really get on the field as

2059
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:29,080
Speaker 9: a defensive back at Georgia. He's probably a special teams type.

2060
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 9: That's they're looking at the athleticism and seeing if there's

2061
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:32,280
Speaker 9: something there.

2062
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:34,519
Speaker 5: I mean, I love the size and the speed of them,

2063
01:31:34,600 --> 01:31:36,880
Speaker 5: but like you said, like the roster was already kind

2064
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 5: of full, so I mean, I look at those guys

2065
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:41,760
Speaker 5: as undrafted free agent adjacent you know, these are like

2066
01:31:41,800 --> 01:31:43,800
Speaker 5: when you're rounding out the roster at the bottom and

2067
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:44,800
Speaker 5: taking fires on guys.

2068
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:48,400
Speaker 3: But yeah, not to go down a whole rabbit hole

2069
01:31:48,479 --> 01:31:50,600
Speaker 3: with the with the contracts and things like that. But

2070
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:54,200
Speaker 3: it's actually cheaper to draft guys in the sixth and

2071
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:57,440
Speaker 3: seventh round now than it is to pay the top beautyfas.

2072
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 5: So it's only so many Molion Cunningham set.

2073
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 3: When I read that at some point this offseason. And

2074
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 3: then the Patriots made all these picks at the end

2075
01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,519
Speaker 3: of the draft and didn't trade any of those picks,

2076
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 3: and I was like, what is going on here? And

2077
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 3: then I realized they're saving money. They're not actually paying

2078
01:32:16,080 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 3: you know, you top UDFA money now for a mere

2079
01:32:19,680 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 3: speed because he was drafted in the sixth round, so

2080
01:32:21,880 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 3: the rokie wage skill puts him into a certain spot.

2081
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 3: So those guys, I think that the team views them

2082
01:32:27,439 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 3: as essentially the same thing as a UDFA.

2083
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 4: Mowen, Rhode Island has an interesting email. He says, could

2084
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:37,240
Speaker 4: Evan do a video series called Coverages and Routes for Dummies?

2085
01:32:37,680 --> 01:32:39,840
Speaker 4: I listened to last week's catch twenty two and felt

2086
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 4: like an idiot during their talk about Z this and

2087
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:47,160
Speaker 4: Z that. I thought it was just slotting outside. It's

2088
01:32:47,240 --> 01:32:49,599
Speaker 4: not a bad idea. But Evan, I ask you a question.

2089
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 4: Do you think that you could explain this stuff so

2090
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,719
Speaker 4: that someone who doesn't understand the jargon would be able

2091
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 4: to get it?

2092
01:32:56,479 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 2: Uh?

2093
01:32:57,680 --> 01:33:00,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I mean we he did something.

2094
01:33:01,200 --> 01:33:03,000
Speaker 3: I think it was more about the analytics that I

2095
01:33:03,160 --> 01:33:05,320
Speaker 3: like to use, like e p A and DVOA and

2096
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 3: things like that. We did that that primer at some point.

2097
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 3: That's that's on the website. But I think with coverages

2098
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:14,320
Speaker 3: that it's doable, especially if we just talk about like

2099
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 3: simple cover two, simple cover one. Obviously, the Patriots are

2100
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,479
Speaker 3: an NFL football team coached by Bill Belichick, so their

2101
01:33:20,520 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 3: cover one is not equal to the cover one that

2102
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 3: you're seeing at uh AT you know, Sharon high like,

2103
01:33:27,320 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 3: but you know, I so it's a little different. But yeah,

2104
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:33,080
Speaker 3: I think we could we could do something like that.

2105
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,559
Speaker 5: I would say to go to uh with football smart

2106
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:36,599
Speaker 5: football dot com.

2107
01:33:36,760 --> 01:33:37,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're good.

2108
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 5: He's a great writer and he's got a couple of

2109
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,439
Speaker 5: books that he's written. Chris I forget his name, but

2110
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,759
Speaker 5: He's got a lot of just like basic explanation stuff

2111
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 5: if you're looking.

2112
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 9: For just you know, round level.

2113
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:51,360
Speaker 3: Matthew Bowen also has some really great articles. I think

2114
01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,519
Speaker 3: they're actually technically on Bleacher Report if I'm not mistaken,

2115
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 3: but if you just like google like Bowen B O

2116
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:02,120
Speaker 3: W E N cover three, Like he has the basics

2117
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:05,519
Speaker 3: of cover three? What what exactly? It means a couple

2118
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,560
Speaker 3: of different examples of different ways it plays out. His

2119
01:34:08,760 --> 01:34:10,160
Speaker 3: articles are really good with that too.

2120
01:34:10,640 --> 01:34:13,400
Speaker 4: What's his name from? Sirius used to be the GM

2121
01:34:13,520 --> 01:34:15,519
Speaker 4: for the Jets, wrote the book Take Your Eye Off

2122
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:15,880
Speaker 4: the Book.

2123
01:34:17,520 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 3: It's a good Yeah, it's a good starter.

2124
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2125
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 10: Is that how you since we're on the topic, is

2126
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 10: that why you are the way you are?

2127
01:34:23,640 --> 01:34:23,680
Speaker 17: Like?

2128
01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:27,719
Speaker 10: What made you want to like coverage?

2129
01:34:27,880 --> 01:34:30,920
Speaker 3: Well, to be honest with you, I was a horrible

2130
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 3: athlete growing up, and but I had the mind, you know,

2131
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,400
Speaker 3: and like I knew I was really smart and I

2132
01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:41,000
Speaker 3: knew the game really well, but I just wasn't athletic

2133
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:43,240
Speaker 3: enough to actually make it matter on the field. And

2134
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 3: so I was like, you know, pseudo like doing coaching,

2135
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,679
Speaker 3: thinking like that back all the way like in middle school,

2136
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 3: in high school, and you know a lot of my

2137
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:57,040
Speaker 3: friends were much more athletic than me, and I used

2138
01:34:57,080 --> 01:34:59,040
Speaker 3: to like coach them like, you know and be like,

2139
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,559
Speaker 3: you know this is you, do this, do that whatever,

2140
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, they just had the athletic ability

2141
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:07,200
Speaker 3: to go out there and actually execute what what you

2142
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 3: wanted to do. But yeah, I started in terms of

2143
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:12,479
Speaker 3: like the football exits and knows that. It definitely was

2144
01:35:12,840 --> 01:35:15,320
Speaker 3: a lot of reading other people that are much smarter

2145
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 3: than me and know much more.

2146
01:35:16,479 --> 01:35:18,880
Speaker 10: I'm envisioning like a varsity coach at your high school

2147
01:35:18,920 --> 01:35:19,800
Speaker 10: telling his players.

2148
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:20,760
Speaker 9: Shut the hell up.

2149
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:25,759
Speaker 3: No, actually, uh, it was actually kind of It's actually

2150
01:35:25,840 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 3: kind of the opposite for a while, not not because

2151
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,519
Speaker 3: of like my amazing knowledge or anything like that, but

2152
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:34,439
Speaker 3: like one of my friends was one of our better

2153
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,560
Speaker 3: athletes at school, but he was a head case and

2154
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 3: like there was only certain people that he was going

2155
01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:41,200
Speaker 3: to listen to, and and because he was one of

2156
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 3: my best friends, I happened to be be one of them.

2157
01:35:43,880 --> 01:35:45,719
Speaker 3: So like when he would go off on a tirade

2158
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:47,640
Speaker 3: like they would like, you know, I would just be

2159
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 3: the one that would kind of walk over there and

2160
01:35:49,560 --> 01:35:53,280
Speaker 3: be like, you know, you gotta gotta calm down, you know, yeah,

2161
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:56,640
Speaker 3: you know, because the coaches had they had had no

2162
01:35:56,760 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 3: patience for it.

2163
01:35:57,760 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 9: Back on board.

2164
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 4: Let's see Ian in the UK rites in change the

2165
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,000
Speaker 4: pace here. And I've asked this before, but when when?

2166
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:08,720
Speaker 4: When are we going to change the Patriot's uniforms? They

2167
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,719
Speaker 4: are horrible? Although I do own an Edelman home jersey

2168
01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,479
Speaker 4: in the Max Jones away, please can we get them

2169
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:17,639
Speaker 4: change or at least get rid of the silver helmets

2170
01:36:17,680 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 4: and make them white. Actually someone did, do you know

2171
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:25,879
Speaker 4: one of those photoshops of a blue helmet that matches

2172
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:27,960
Speaker 4: the blue jersey, and it looked pretty good.

2173
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,160
Speaker 9: I have to say, didn't we just change the uniforms

2174
01:36:30,160 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 9: like three years ago?

2175
01:36:30,880 --> 01:36:31,160
Speaker 13: We did?

2176
01:36:31,320 --> 01:36:37,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, slightly, Yeah, the arm you know, the stripes down

2177
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:37,559
Speaker 4: the shoulders.

2178
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 10: It made it look like the throwback jersey, but just

2179
01:36:40,040 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 10: the traditional Yeah.

2180
01:36:41,439 --> 01:36:45,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I think there is something to having the

2181
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 4: helmet match the jerseys. I mean, you get the silver

2182
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:52,240
Speaker 4: helmet now and there's nothing silver. They used to wear

2183
01:36:52,520 --> 01:36:55,840
Speaker 4: quote unquote silver pants. They weren't silver anyway, they were gray,

2184
01:36:56,479 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 4: you know, So like I'm all for a helmet or change.

2185
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:01,479
Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't know that.

2186
01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:03,280
Speaker 5: He must never really bother me that much.

2187
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:04,040
Speaker 9: I kind of like them.

2188
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2189
01:37:05,439 --> 01:37:07,000
Speaker 5: I don't know if the blue one blue works for

2190
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:08,200
Speaker 5: me though, what about like the.

2191
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:10,759
Speaker 10: Blood so blues with like a bright blue helmet?

2192
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:12,120
Speaker 13: No fun?

2193
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:15,320
Speaker 9: The blueberry uniform, it was it would bring a smile

2194
01:37:15,400 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 9: to my face.

2195
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:18,320
Speaker 4: At the time, people hated him, And now all of

2196
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 4: a sudden that I have to be with that pat

2197
01:37:21,479 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 4: Patriot logo. No one liked it back then, And don't

2198
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:25,519
Speaker 4: tell me that you did that one.

2199
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 9: That one's not true. The other word, friend's right. Everybody

2200
01:37:29,040 --> 01:37:31,000
Speaker 9: hated the uniforms, and I don't really know a lot

2201
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:33,240
Speaker 9: of people talking about the blood Yeah. I hated those

2202
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:35,800
Speaker 9: uniforms and I still do. But I don't know a

2203
01:37:35,840 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 9: lot of people that want those back. But the pat

2204
01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 9: Patriot a lot of people want bad now they do.

2205
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:43,000
Speaker 9: I don't remember people hating the Patrick.

2206
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 4: Oh god, that it was nothing.

2207
01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 3: It was it was.

2208
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:49,280
Speaker 9: I always thought it was, Yeah, that's what I.

2209
01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 2: Like.

2210
01:37:52,040 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 10: Who takes a dump like that?

2211
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,920
Speaker 4: Back then, when you talked about no one brought up

2212
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 4: patriot logo is cool. No one said that it was

2213
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:00,880
Speaker 4: never one.

2214
01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 9: No, I don't think it was ever, but it certainly not.

2215
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 9: I mean, this is certainly not cool.

2216
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 15: What the elvis?

2217
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 4: No, it's I that's my but like when I that's

2218
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:17,400
Speaker 4: my love it now because I associated with so much success.

2219
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:18,720
Speaker 9: That's how I feel that. I don't know why you

2220
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 9: would want to change when you won six titles wearing.

2221
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:22,840
Speaker 3: The blue the blueberry uniforms are tough.

2222
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 9: Yeah they were.

2223
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 4: They were terrible and when they first came out, the first.

2224
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:28,360
Speaker 9: Version tough good like the kids.

2225
01:38:28,760 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 4: No, the first version had the blue.

2226
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:33,960
Speaker 9: He could be there.

2227
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 4: The first version had red numbers on the blue. You

2228
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 4: could not see them from the press box.

2229
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 9: Couldn't the red numbers In ninety three, Yeah, it was

2230
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 9: impossible to tell who was who.

2231
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 3: But Pat Patriot that we do it perfectly now where

2232
01:38:47,800 --> 01:38:50,960
Speaker 3: it's like one game a year, everything gets turned over

2233
01:38:51,080 --> 01:38:53,920
Speaker 3: to Pat Patriot and that just it's it needs to

2234
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:54,559
Speaker 3: be a novelty.

2235
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:54,960
Speaker 9: It's not.

2236
01:38:55,120 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 3: It's not a regular every every week Jersey.

2237
01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,920
Speaker 5: I just think that the uniforms they wore twenty to

2238
01:39:01,080 --> 01:39:03,639
Speaker 5: twenty nineteen, like those need to be back in the mix.

2239
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,639
Speaker 5: Like I just I think you want six super Bowls

2240
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:08,759
Speaker 5: in those uniforms like they they like the red uniforms,

2241
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,479
Speaker 5: they're a part. I don't think the nineties uniforms are

2242
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 5: part of the culture, like they did go to a

2243
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:14,960
Speaker 5: Super Bowl, But those are the two uniforms, and I

2244
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:15,920
Speaker 5: think that they should.

2245
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 4: Have a person.

2246
01:39:16,040 --> 01:39:19,160
Speaker 3: I think the blue with the with the gray pants

2247
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 3: that that to me, like the Brady blue with their

2248
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:25,680
Speaker 3: gray like that, that's like Patriots, Yeah Jersey to me

2249
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,639
Speaker 3: like that? That that I think was the best.

2250
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:32,479
Speaker 4: Well, and I do think having an alternate uniform with red,

2251
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 4: but the current logo with a white helmet should be

2252
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:36,760
Speaker 4: would be sharp.

2253
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean this sounds stupid too,

2254
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 5: but I just I love the font of the name

2255
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:45,000
Speaker 5: plates on the old on the on the Brady uniforms,

2256
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:47,240
Speaker 5: like the font and the numbers, the way they I

2257
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:49,200
Speaker 5: just thought it was outstanding. Like I just think those

2258
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:51,800
Speaker 5: uniforms were perfect. That's kind of disappointed we got rid

2259
01:39:51,800 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 5: of them.

2260
01:39:52,360 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 9: Mike's not an easy guy to please, even he didn't

2261
01:39:55,240 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 9: even enjoy the Brady But do we like them so

2262
01:39:57,320 --> 01:39:59,840
Speaker 9: much because of how successful they were in them?

2263
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:02,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's honest question.

2264
01:40:02,840 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 9: I know I do, but I agree with everything Fred

2265
01:40:05,920 --> 01:40:07,560
Speaker 9: said that's associate with.

2266
01:40:08,200 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 4: Here's another one his Tampa Bay's original uniform, the orange

2267
01:40:15,439 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 4: with the absolutely love with the guy with the feather

2268
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 4: in his Uh. Yeah, I hated and no one liked

2269
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 4: them back then either. They thought they were just made

2270
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:25,120
Speaker 4: fun of Tampa Bay. Yeah.

2271
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:28,600
Speaker 9: I lost every game, but I loved those uniforms. I

2272
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:30,800
Speaker 9: think they I think they're bringing them back this year too.

2273
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 5: I think they're gonna wear them le.

2274
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:33,400
Speaker 4: Roy Selman.

2275
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 3: Exactly.

2276
01:40:35,640 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 4: Let's go to Paul and Vancouver. What's up, Paul?

2277
01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:41,200
Speaker 14: Hey, Fred, have a good weekend?

2278
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 4: Yeah I did. How about you?

2279
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:48,519
Speaker 14: Oh well, I tell you after last week's show there

2280
01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:53,000
Speaker 14: when you collected my whether I was a fan or

2281
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,559
Speaker 14: not after fifty years of uh carrying for the team

2282
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:58,479
Speaker 14: in twenty two years, to listen to this show, I

2283
01:40:58,840 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 14: had to be reflected of it.

2284
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 21: About what did you do?

2285
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what.

2286
01:41:04,160 --> 01:41:04,200
Speaker 7: What?

2287
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,679
Speaker 4: Why did I question your fan hood?

2288
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 2: Oh?

2289
01:41:08,280 --> 01:41:12,360
Speaker 14: Because I was not, I guess doing enough hope in

2290
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 14: my team?

2291
01:41:13,560 --> 01:41:16,240
Speaker 4: Okay, right right?

2292
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 13: Oh?

2293
01:41:16,600 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, you you were definitely and you're probably still really

2294
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:21,160
Speaker 4: down on the team. Yeah.

2295
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,120
Speaker 14: No, Fred, I tell you, I thought about what I

2296
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 14: was saying, and then I listened to the rest of

2297
01:41:27,040 --> 01:41:30,080
Speaker 14: the show, and there's a whole bunch of stuff. What

2298
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,760
Speaker 14: was pointed out by you guys at the end there

2299
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 14: that I just didn't realize. And Preacher Fred, I have

2300
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:37,800
Speaker 14: seen the lights, all.

2301
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:43,599
Speaker 9: Right, you converted one callelujah one ahead of time.

2302
01:41:43,960 --> 01:41:44,920
Speaker 10: Fred the missionary.

2303
01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:50,080
Speaker 14: Now you know, Now, Fred, I'm wondering if Christin gunzalas

2304
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:54,040
Speaker 14: just winning defensive Rookie of the Year or just feeding

2305
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:57,000
Speaker 14: out Christian Barmore for players such a player of the year,

2306
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,200
Speaker 14: and whether you know it's a fourth round guard or

2307
01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,280
Speaker 14: every winning off like the Rookie of the year, you know,

2308
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 14: because you know, at the end of the show there's

2309
01:42:08,680 --> 01:42:11,640
Speaker 14: things I did learn I learned, you know, Mike, and

2310
01:42:11,680 --> 01:42:14,400
Speaker 14: hasn't pointed out that they were like three plays away

2311
01:42:14,479 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 14: from you know, eleven win team last year because I

2312
01:42:16,920 --> 01:42:23,320
Speaker 14: had eight convincing wins and all the misfortunes and bad

2313
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:25,720
Speaker 14: plays all went against the Patriots.

2314
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:31,400
Speaker 4: You know, I'm sensing a little sarcasm here, Yeah, you know, like.

2315
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:35,040
Speaker 14: I was thinking, maybe the jet counting the Marcus don't.

2316
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:40,439
Speaker 4: At the end of the spend this. Okay, all right, okay,

2317
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,600
Speaker 4: all right, So you're so you're still down on the

2318
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:45,559
Speaker 4: team in other words, is what you're saying.

2319
01:42:47,439 --> 01:42:47,679
Speaker 3: Fred.

2320
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,559
Speaker 14: The pole point but always trying to make last week

2321
01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 14: right was what I said about the post Brady era

2322
01:42:55,960 --> 01:42:59,080
Speaker 14: being bought was because I don't feel that they have

2323
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 14: They didn't turn over the roster that I remember. I

2324
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 14: thought about Paul Brillo saying, and he wasn't there to

2325
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:08,880
Speaker 14: agree with me about them being such an old roster

2326
01:43:09,160 --> 01:43:11,920
Speaker 14: at that point when Brady left. It wasn't just Brady leaving.

2327
01:43:12,120 --> 01:43:13,880
Speaker 8: It was just an old roster.

2328
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:16,240
Speaker 14: At that time, right, and they had to turn it over.

2329
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:22,160
Speaker 14: And that when we and Evan also on question saying,

2330
01:43:22,200 --> 01:43:24,479
Speaker 14: why am I thinking as a super Bowl team. I'm

2331
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:27,000
Speaker 14: not starting on super Bowl team. I saying a playoff

2332
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 14: team because I do point out Robert Kraft wants to win,

2333
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:34,880
Speaker 14: and he said he expects to make the playoffs, and

2334
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:37,840
Speaker 14: I was pointing out, I don't see them making those

2335
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:42,400
Speaker 14: steps to get back there right now. I thought four

2336
01:43:42,479 --> 01:43:46,599
Speaker 14: years ago they had an opportunity to really reset right,

2337
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:49,479
Speaker 14: and they didn't take it. They they did things like

2338
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,640
Speaker 14: we were used to laugh at the Bills and the

2339
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:54,840
Speaker 14: Jets and the Dolphins doing, you know, spending all this

2340
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 14: money in free agency, you know, winning winning the free

2341
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,400
Speaker 14: agency thing right, like we tried to do for years.

2342
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,920
Speaker 4: I remember at the time everybody being thrilled that they

2343
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:03,240
Speaker 4: did that.

2344
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 14: I I wasn't thrilled about that because it never really works.

2345
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:12,280
Speaker 4: So what did you want to but you don't want

2346
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:13,160
Speaker 4: to bring in new players?

2347
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 2: What?

2348
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 9: How did you how?

2349
01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:16,000
Speaker 5: What would you want them to do? Like I just

2350
01:44:16,120 --> 01:44:17,720
Speaker 5: I mean it sounds great like they could have done.

2351
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 5: What could they have done? Like they they missed on

2352
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:20,280
Speaker 5: the draft.

2353
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:21,320
Speaker 4: So everyone was exciting.

2354
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 14: Everyone was like finally, well, no, what they could have

2355
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,120
Speaker 14: done four years ago? It was I would have I

2356
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:30,439
Speaker 14: loved like bringing a Cam Newton. I just didn't like

2357
01:44:30,520 --> 01:44:33,960
Speaker 14: that at all. We tread quarterback. I thought, you know,

2358
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 14: I look at this team. I said, I've been cheering

2359
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 14: this for this team forever. Right. I think there are

2360
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:40,800
Speaker 14: three key points in this branchise put a name to

2361
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,720
Speaker 14: the client dynasty. Was that Robert Kraft took it with

2362
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 14: the start of the dynasty, right. The accelerating point was

2363
01:44:48,040 --> 01:44:50,560
Speaker 14: when they bought him, don't Jeff Felow checks. And the

2364
01:44:50,640 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 14: crowning point was Brady King. I could after cheering for

2365
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 14: this team for so long, I cannot believe that they

2366
01:44:57,920 --> 01:45:01,920
Speaker 14: were relevant that every year the national guy who because

2367
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:05,439
Speaker 14: you know, you've always put them in reverence talking about

2368
01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 14: the Patriots be super Bowl contenders for twenty years.

2369
01:45:08,320 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 4: Let me ask you a question, okay, right, when when

2370
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:13,360
Speaker 4: they brought in Bill Belichick, did you say, wow, this

2371
01:45:13,560 --> 01:45:15,680
Speaker 4: is it, they got the guy. Did you say that,

2372
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:18,160
Speaker 4: oh at that time?

2373
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 2: No?

2374
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 4: Okay, when they drafted Tom Brady. When they drafted Tom Brady,

2375
01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,400
Speaker 4: did you say, they just got the greatest football player ever?

2376
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:29,280
Speaker 4: I no, So you don't know.

2377
01:45:29,880 --> 01:45:32,600
Speaker 7: You don't know, right, No, I know, Fred, But.

2378
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:38,640
Speaker 14: I like, I think that Bill Belichick right, like, I

2379
01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 14: don't want to see him fired. I want him to

2380
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:42,040
Speaker 14: get the same because I don't think this is my

2381
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 14: question to Paul, right is about what Bill is doing.

2382
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 14: But I think this changed, right, and it was, And

2383
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:52,519
Speaker 14: what I don't want to be right is like a

2384
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,639
Speaker 14: Dolphins fan and a Cowboys fan, nobody was thirty years

2385
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 14: thirty years ago, my d was six super bowls. You know,

2386
01:46:01,040 --> 01:46:04,360
Speaker 14: I don't want that. Nobody wants that, right, And I

2387
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 14: think at that time we had the perfect opportunity that

2388
01:46:07,640 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 14: we had such good but wait.

2389
01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:12,080
Speaker 4: A minute, Hey, what was the opportunity? Who were the

2390
01:46:12,200 --> 01:46:14,679
Speaker 4: people that they who were the people that they didn't

2391
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:16,760
Speaker 4: bring in that you were like, they should have brought

2392
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:18,560
Speaker 4: this person in and they should have done this, And

2393
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,200
Speaker 4: what were the moves that they didn't make that you

2394
01:46:21,320 --> 01:46:23,240
Speaker 4: were clamoring for at that time?

2395
01:46:23,560 --> 01:46:25,960
Speaker 14: What I okay, at that time, what I wanted them

2396
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:28,759
Speaker 14: to do was to go like safe the older players

2397
01:46:29,080 --> 01:46:33,320
Speaker 14: like High Tower, mccordy, Slater, these guys saying, hey, look,

2398
01:46:33,360 --> 01:46:35,720
Speaker 14: we've got to reset this. Do you want to stay

2399
01:46:35,920 --> 01:46:39,680
Speaker 14: ground and mentor these guys or we're gonna find we

2400
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:41,439
Speaker 14: got to move on. We've got to bring in these guys.

2401
01:46:41,439 --> 01:46:44,240
Speaker 14: We've got to see who we have. That's the problem.

2402
01:46:44,280 --> 01:46:45,479
Speaker 4: We did.

2403
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:46,160
Speaker 9: That's what they did.

2404
01:46:46,280 --> 01:46:47,280
Speaker 14: Some players.

2405
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,719
Speaker 9: What that's what they did. They took mccordy and Slater

2406
01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:55,280
Speaker 9: side and they said, you know, we want you to

2407
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 9: be part of the new regime and we want you

2408
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 9: to mentor these guys that we're going to be bringing.

2409
01:47:00,360 --> 01:47:01,720
Speaker 9: I think that's exactly what they did.

2410
01:47:04,280 --> 01:47:07,920
Speaker 14: And there were too many of them, though, he pointed out, Paul,

2411
01:47:08,000 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 14: you said there was too many of the old guys

2412
01:47:10,200 --> 01:47:10,960
Speaker 14: on that seat.

2413
01:47:11,360 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 9: Right. No, no, no, I'm not telling you I agreed

2414
01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,360
Speaker 9: with it. That's not how I would have done it.

2415
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,360
Speaker 9: But you just said that's what you would have done,

2416
01:47:17,880 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 9: and you criticized them for not doing something that I

2417
01:47:19,800 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 9: think they did.

2418
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:24,439
Speaker 14: I would What I said was, I would have gone

2419
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:26,280
Speaker 14: to these guys and asked that they wanted to be there,

2420
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:28,560
Speaker 14: right find out some of the guys probably wouldn't have

2421
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 14: wanted to stick. Simple as that, right, But that's again, okay,

2422
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 14: we could only take a couple of you guys, not

2423
01:47:34,160 --> 01:47:35,160
Speaker 14: like five of you guys.

2424
01:47:36,320 --> 01:47:40,000
Speaker 4: The hindsight is perfect, but many Yeah, I mean, listen,

2425
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 4: but I have the moves they've made, all the moves

2426
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:45,880
Speaker 4: they've made work. No, No, they haven't. And do we

2427
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:49,240
Speaker 4: want to be stuck in purgatory? Like you know a

2428
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:52,000
Speaker 4: lot of these teams are when they don't have the quarterback. No,

2429
01:47:52,840 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 4: but you know, like I'm not giving up. Hope you.

2430
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:00,360
Speaker 9: Got you gotta keep thinking you're going to find the

2431
01:48:00,439 --> 01:48:03,799
Speaker 9: quarterback like I mean that. That's I mean that the secret.

2432
01:48:03,880 --> 01:48:07,360
Speaker 9: It's not it's not like a complex formula. You have

2433
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,120
Speaker 9: to have at least a certain level of competence at

2434
01:48:11,160 --> 01:48:13,400
Speaker 9: that at that position. Now that's I don't I don't

2435
01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:15,760
Speaker 9: know if you don't have that, And that's that's when

2436
01:48:15,840 --> 01:48:16,200
Speaker 9: and then we.

2437
01:48:16,240 --> 01:48:18,280
Speaker 4: Get back to you know, signing d hops. So you

2438
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:22,040
Speaker 4: get a true idea of like who Matt Jones really is.

2439
01:48:22,120 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 9: But I mean I could make an argument that I

2440
01:48:23,960 --> 01:48:25,600
Speaker 9: would have held on. I mean, once you've made the

2441
01:48:25,680 --> 01:48:29,559
Speaker 9: decision to have Brady outlast Garoppolo, which I would have done,

2442
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:31,400
Speaker 9: I would have done it. Then I would have still

2443
01:48:31,439 --> 01:48:35,880
Speaker 9: done it. I would have squeezed every last bounce of

2444
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,280
Speaker 9: juice out of that Brady machine that I could possibly do.

2445
01:48:39,360 --> 01:48:41,360
Speaker 9: I would not have done anything to make that end

2446
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,000
Speaker 9: before it had to, and I would have been desperately

2447
01:48:44,600 --> 01:48:46,880
Speaker 9: trying to figure out a way to get that next guy.

2448
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:49,040
Speaker 9: I don't think they were doing that. I think A

2449
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 9: they pulled the plug on the Brady error before they

2450
01:48:51,200 --> 01:48:55,800
Speaker 9: needed to, and B didn't really have that desperation to

2451
01:48:55,880 --> 01:48:58,960
Speaker 9: find a successor, as we saw with Cam Newton coming

2452
01:48:59,000 --> 01:49:01,519
Speaker 9: in in Joe you know to.

2453
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,560
Speaker 3: I think in eighteen. So everybody's gonna go back to

2454
01:49:05,560 --> 01:49:08,280
Speaker 3: the eighteen draft and look at Lamar Jackson, right, because

2455
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:12,320
Speaker 3: they picked two guys that I think Isaiah Win you know,

2456
01:49:12,640 --> 01:49:15,639
Speaker 3: his rookie year didn't exactly help the team, but Tony Michelle,

2457
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:18,479
Speaker 3: you can make a real case they helped the team

2458
01:49:18,520 --> 01:49:24,320
Speaker 3: win a super Bowl. So they were clearly preoccupied in

2459
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:28,479
Speaker 3: eighteen to nineteen with getting every last championship out of Brady,

2460
01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:31,280
Speaker 3: and maybe that kind of jumped the shark a little

2461
01:49:31,280 --> 01:49:34,479
Speaker 3: bit on the quarterback pursuit, so it became we're gonna

2462
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 3: use a fourth round pick on Jared Stidham instead of

2463
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:39,639
Speaker 3: using a top fifty pick on a quarterback because we're

2464
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 3: gonna draft players that we need now to help Brady.

2465
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,000
Speaker 3: It's the opposite of what the Packers did right the back.

2466
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:47,960
Speaker 9: But then we're never gonna let him play. Oh yeah,

2467
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,800
Speaker 9: that's like that to me is where it disconnects, because

2468
01:49:50,800 --> 01:49:53,240
Speaker 9: I agree with you, they had an eye on we

2469
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:55,599
Speaker 9: can we can keep winning titles here. I totally agree

2470
01:49:55,600 --> 01:49:57,519
Speaker 9: with that. So we're not gonna be able to use

2471
01:49:57,560 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 9: the fifteenth overall pick on Mac Jones. We're gonna have

2472
01:50:00,040 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 9: to get somebody in the fourth round, but then we're

2473
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:02,519
Speaker 9: never gonna let him play.

2474
01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like Cam Newton's gonna.

2475
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:08,320
Speaker 9: Play sixteen games in a lost season while we'll never

2476
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,040
Speaker 9: find out if this guy could play now. I don't

2477
01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:12,800
Speaker 9: know if Jared Sindham's any good. I personally didn't think

2478
01:50:12,840 --> 01:50:15,439
Speaker 9: he was all that impressive when he was here. Played

2479
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:17,360
Speaker 9: a couple of pretty good games for the Raiders last year.

2480
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:22,040
Speaker 9: Maybe he's better than I thought. I don't know, he's not.

2481
01:50:22,280 --> 01:50:24,640
Speaker 5: What draft pick do you have right when you had

2482
01:50:24,720 --> 01:50:25,639
Speaker 5: fifteen to take mad?

2483
01:50:25,720 --> 01:50:28,080
Speaker 9: But I think that this is where like you sort

2484
01:50:28,120 --> 01:50:32,360
Speaker 9: of help bent on, like you hell bent on trying

2485
01:50:32,439 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 9: to figure out a way to go seven and nine.

2486
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:35,800
Speaker 9: Like I don't think that.

2487
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,439
Speaker 4: Really like people think it's it's like just easy. It's

2488
01:50:39,479 --> 01:50:41,240
Speaker 4: not easy to turn over your roster.

2489
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 9: No, it's not easy.

2490
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:45,599
Speaker 4: It's not like basketball. It's it's like there's a lot

2491
01:50:45,680 --> 01:50:48,400
Speaker 4: of players involved in turning over the roster.

2492
01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:51,040
Speaker 5: It's such a complex question he was asking, and my

2493
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:53,720
Speaker 5: brain was really struggling and to come up with, like

2494
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,400
Speaker 5: what what would I have done differently? All things kind

2495
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:58,080
Speaker 5: of like I can't. You can't go back and draft

2496
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:01,240
Speaker 5: different players. But I think Paul's really the only kind

2497
01:51:01,240 --> 01:51:04,240
Speaker 5: of reasonable solution would have just been let's just ride

2498
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:06,760
Speaker 5: it out with Stidham, maybe a couple other guys, you know,

2499
01:51:07,320 --> 01:51:09,759
Speaker 5: let's just move on from them, and then if it works,

2500
01:51:10,120 --> 01:51:12,599
Speaker 5: all right, we're probably picking you know, mid to late

2501
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:14,519
Speaker 5: first round. And if it didn't work, then they probably

2502
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:16,519
Speaker 5: were looking at Justin Fields or somebody up in.

2503
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 9: Like Stidham could have played the twenty twenty season, and

2504
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 9: I don't think your record would have been much different.

2505
01:51:21,479 --> 01:51:24,680
Speaker 4: I agree with that, And right, Nika could be and.

2506
01:51:24,760 --> 01:51:26,759
Speaker 9: You could have been in a position now, if anything,

2507
01:51:27,080 --> 01:51:29,720
Speaker 9: you could make an argument you probably would have been

2508
01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:33,080
Speaker 9: in better draft position than you were, right because at

2509
01:51:33,160 --> 01:51:35,160
Speaker 9: least Cam Newton won a couple of games with his legs,

2510
01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:39,080
Speaker 9: So maybe Stidham, with his lack of experience, maybe he

2511
01:51:39,080 --> 01:51:41,439
Speaker 9: wouldn't have won seven games. That would be better for you.

2512
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:44,400
Speaker 9: And if he was better than I think he was,

2513
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:47,160
Speaker 9: then that's better for you too, because now you might

2514
01:51:47,200 --> 01:51:48,560
Speaker 9: have a guy that you can build around and you

2515
01:51:48,600 --> 01:51:50,479
Speaker 9: don't have to take a quarterback in the draft.

2516
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,720
Speaker 5: Because as much as twenty twenty was like a reset year,

2517
01:51:52,840 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 5: it wasn't as hard of reset year as it could

2518
01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:57,760
Speaker 5: have been. And in hindsight, especially when you watch watch

2519
01:51:57,880 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 5: the footage of the stupid games that we play, like

2520
01:52:01,280 --> 01:52:02,519
Speaker 5: you should have just done it then, but you.

2521
01:52:02,520 --> 01:52:04,599
Speaker 9: Should have been around the man. You never saw anybody

2522
01:52:04,640 --> 01:52:06,120
Speaker 9: pelt the way you saw Mike pelt.

2523
01:52:05,920 --> 01:52:09,360
Speaker 3: That Yet I just think that this to the callers point,

2524
01:52:09,400 --> 01:52:11,120
Speaker 3: and I look, that was a long call, and I

2525
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:14,400
Speaker 3: gotta admit I'm not in the mood for the negativity

2526
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:17,840
Speaker 3: right now. But the one thing that I took away

2527
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,960
Speaker 3: from that call is certainly that there is a little

2528
01:52:21,960 --> 01:52:24,040
Speaker 3: bit of a feeling with this team that they are

2529
01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:26,479
Speaker 3: stuck in this purgatory because they have one foot in

2530
01:52:26,640 --> 01:52:30,439
Speaker 3: with the veterans and still kind of having these guys

2531
01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:34,280
Speaker 3: around that that are going to propel the team to eight, nine, ten,

2532
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:36,280
Speaker 3: maybe if you get some bounces like they did in

2533
01:52:36,360 --> 01:52:39,479
Speaker 3: twenty one wins, but you're not a championship contender. But

2534
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 3: you're also not hard resetting either. And I look at

2535
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 3: a team like, the only example I can come off

2536
01:52:45,439 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 3: the top of my head, right the second is the Bengals,

2537
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 3: and the Bengals stunk for two years in a row

2538
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:52,840
Speaker 3: and it netted them Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase right like,

2539
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:57,040
Speaker 3: but you don't get Jamar Chase drafting fifteenth overall like

2540
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 3: those that player doesn't make it that far down your board. Now,

2541
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:02,040
Speaker 3: they got lucky this year that maybe a guy that

2542
01:53:02,160 --> 01:53:04,639
Speaker 3: we all viewed as a top five, top ten guy

2543
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 3: did make it to that spot. But that that's like

2544
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:11,639
Speaker 3: the one thing that I think is has people it's

2545
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:14,840
Speaker 3: there in such a stuck position because first of all,

2546
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 3: their head coach is too good, so he's coaching you

2547
01:53:17,600 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 3: to six or seven games probably on you know, wins

2548
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:22,160
Speaker 3: on his own. And then you add in there that

2549
01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:24,880
Speaker 3: you do have the Judons and you do have you know,

2550
01:53:24,960 --> 01:53:27,880
Speaker 3: these veteran players that are in a win now time

2551
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:30,920
Speaker 3: of their career and you're you're stuck at eight and

2552
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:33,160
Speaker 3: nine like that, and that just feels like we're just

2553
01:53:33,439 --> 01:53:36,040
Speaker 3: replaying that that tape over and over again.

2554
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:39,439
Speaker 4: David writes in who is the best player on the

2555
01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:42,680
Speaker 4: Patriots right now? Romandre Stevenson or Matthew Judon And what

2556
01:53:42,920 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 4: is more likely Remandre getting another one thousand yard rushing

2557
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:50,559
Speaker 4: season or Matthew Judon being top five and sacks next year. Paul,

2558
01:53:50,600 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 4: if you don't say Vermandre, I will be sure to

2559
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:55,160
Speaker 4: tweet out that you called him irrelevant.

2560
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:00,639
Speaker 3: That's as close as I'm gonna get toldst better player.

2561
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 4: What's I mean?

2562
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 5: It's hard because I don't view running back as like

2563
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 5: a you know, as a position that.

2564
01:54:07,320 --> 01:54:08,840
Speaker 3: They don't matter, because it don't really matter.

2565
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 5: And I kind of feel I feel like I do too,

2566
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:14,040
Speaker 5: because I feel like Judon is.

2567
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:16,160
Speaker 15: Very good, but any of the age things.

2568
01:54:16,320 --> 01:54:18,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's kind of tapered off a little bit.

2569
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:20,320
Speaker 3: They won't give her remonderate another contract.

2570
01:54:20,360 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 9: Oh no, no, I don't think so. But that whole

2571
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:25,840
Speaker 9: purgatory thing I think is accurate. I think they I

2572
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 9: think they've had one foot in, one foot out. And

2573
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:31,519
Speaker 9: I think you know Evan's point about Bill's ability to

2574
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:34,800
Speaker 9: not lose all the games to like last year with

2575
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 9: Colt McCoy Arizona Cardinals, that was a losable game on

2576
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:40,880
Speaker 9: a Monday night, even with Kyler Murray getting hurt. He's

2577
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:42,760
Speaker 9: not going to let you lose that game. And that

2578
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:44,880
Speaker 9: there's a lot of examples of those in the last

2579
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:47,400
Speaker 9: three years of games that they are. The game against

2580
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:50,000
Speaker 9: the Jets, they're just more prepared than the other team,

2581
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:50,600
Speaker 9: and they're gonna win.

2582
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:54,720
Speaker 4: Spiking Fresno says that Fred and Todd considered Joe Judge's

2583
01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:58,640
Speaker 4: continued presence innocuous, so probably costing the team two days

2584
01:54:58,640 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 4: of OTAs doesn't matter. Of course it does. It's symptomatic

2585
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:05,240
Speaker 4: of the incompetence Judge brings to the table. It's absurd

2586
01:55:05,320 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 4: that Bill kept him. It shows me that Belichick really

2587
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:12,120
Speaker 4: hasn't accepted that last season's offensive coaching choices were a

2588
01:55:12,200 --> 01:55:13,160
Speaker 4: failed experiment.

2589
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:17,120
Speaker 9: Okay, Yeah, I mean I think that's a little black

2590
01:55:17,160 --> 01:55:19,440
Speaker 9: and white. But to me, it's more about what it says,

2591
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:22,880
Speaker 9: like emotionally and mentally to the player.

2592
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:26,720
Speaker 4: But let's say, Bill, does you know realize that it

2593
01:55:26,840 --> 01:55:30,120
Speaker 4: was a failed experiment. He's not gonna blame Joe. He

2594
01:55:30,160 --> 01:55:32,840
Speaker 4: should blame himself. So you're not gonna take it out

2595
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,920
Speaker 4: on Joe Judge and fire him, right, if you truly

2596
01:55:36,640 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 4: believe that that was an experiment that didn't work, who

2597
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:42,680
Speaker 4: you have no one else to blame but yourself. So

2598
01:55:42,800 --> 01:55:44,520
Speaker 4: why take it out on the guy? Fire?

2599
01:55:44,760 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 9: Why do you think it didn't work?

2600
01:55:46,400 --> 01:55:48,400
Speaker 4: Because they weren't suited for the jobs?

2601
01:55:48,480 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 9: But why, Like, do you think they didn't have the

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Speaker 9: aptitude the experience, right? Yeah? I think it was more

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01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:57,200
Speaker 9: how they dealt with the players. Yeah, I don't know,

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01:55:57,280 --> 01:55:59,280
Speaker 9: That's why I think it's a whole different thing.

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Speaker 4: I mean with Joe, especially with Judge. I mean, when

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01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,600
Speaker 4: Joe Judge was the Special Team's coordinator. Here, did we

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01:56:03,680 --> 01:56:05,840
Speaker 4: hear stories like you know, players didn't like him.

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01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 9: No, do we hear stories of him calling plays?

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01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:08,440
Speaker 18: No?

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01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 4: But he was the coordinator.

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01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,600
Speaker 9: No, he wasn't of the special teams no, no, no,

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01:56:12,960 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 9: But do we hear him calling plays on offense?

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01:56:16,160 --> 01:56:16,200
Speaker 2: No?

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01:56:16,400 --> 01:56:20,520
Speaker 4: Not last year? What are you talking about.

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01:56:20,280 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 9: When he was the special teams coordinator. Do we hear

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01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,800
Speaker 9: about stories calling him calling plays on offense?

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01:56:24,880 --> 01:56:24,920
Speaker 14: No?

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01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,880
Speaker 9: No, last year he was not the offensive coordinator. But

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01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:30,560
Speaker 9: we heard him injecting himself into the office. And last

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01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 9: year was a mess, right, So I'm sure partly partly

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01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:36,080
Speaker 9: because of him. I'm sure there were a lot of

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01:56:36,200 --> 01:56:38,600
Speaker 9: competing voices last year that made it him. You know,

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01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:40,560
Speaker 9: as they say, you can't fire all the players.

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01:56:40,760 --> 01:56:42,760
Speaker 4: I know, but like who was right last year? I

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01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:44,960
Speaker 4: don't know. We know one thing that it was a

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01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:45,800
Speaker 4: failed experiment.

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01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 9: Mac deserves Yeah, I think Mac deserves to share a

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01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:52,560
Speaker 9: blame for not even allowing you to possibly work. Yeah,

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01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,120
Speaker 9: and Bill, but you can't fire everybody.

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01:56:54,840 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 4: No, I understand that, And but I just think that

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01:56:57,560 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 4: like if if, if Bill realizes that it was a

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01:57:01,080 --> 01:57:05,040
Speaker 4: failed experiment, especially if he realizes it's a failed experiment,

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01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:07,400
Speaker 4: you don't just fire Joe Judge for doing what you

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01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:08,080
Speaker 4: asked him to do.

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01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 9: I would, but that's just me because of the way

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01:57:12,840 --> 01:57:13,360
Speaker 9: it didn't work.

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01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,360
Speaker 11: Well, if you don't and you move him into a

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01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:19,280
Speaker 11: position where he's better suited to succeed, and he's stuff

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01:57:19,360 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 11: like this, that's a bad look.

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01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 3: That's my point too.

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01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 9: If he's if he's calling plays and there in the

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01:57:25,920 --> 01:57:29,440
Speaker 9: plays that he's calling aren't working. And Mac Jones every

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01:57:29,440 --> 01:57:32,200
Speaker 9: week is saying, you know, we have a great relationship,

2644
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:35,120
Speaker 9: we're getting along, which were just so frustrating because we

2645
01:57:35,160 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 9: can't figure out a way to make this work. But

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01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:40,040
Speaker 9: you know we're doing everything. We work great together. We're

2647
01:57:40,120 --> 01:57:42,080
Speaker 9: just not coming up with the best game plan. That's

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01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:44,240
Speaker 9: a guy put in a position where he can't do it,

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01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:48,720
Speaker 9: and that's not his fault. This isn't that. This is

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01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,800
Speaker 9: I can't get along with the guys that I'm coaching.

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01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:54,520
Speaker 9: By all accounts, I'm rubbing everybody the wrong way. I

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01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:55,920
Speaker 9: don't really think that has anything to do with a

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01:57:55,960 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 9: failed experiment.

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01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,839
Speaker 4: By some accounts, we don't know all the information.

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01:58:01,000 --> 01:58:03,280
Speaker 9: We know what has been report not by Bill's account

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01:58:03,320 --> 01:58:06,640
Speaker 9: but by Max account and the other offensive players account.

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01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, describe Joe Missoula.

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01:58:10,400 --> 01:58:13,760
Speaker 4: We will uh we will continue this conversation Thursday, as

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01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:17,200
Speaker 4: well as having a fun full practice under our belt

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01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 4: to diagnose and overreact to. Uh So we will talk

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01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 4: to you on Thursday.

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