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Speaker 1: is Dan Rubinstein. You give us download, we will give

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Speaker 2: Dan, how are you full? HD?

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Speaker 3: I'm terrific. I'm so excited for Solid Saturday Week four,

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Speaker 3: Week four, even though it's the second time we've done

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Speaker 3: a week four eleven am Eastern time, Solid Saturday dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited, Tye. We have news to discuss. We

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Speaker 3: have big picture college football news to discuss. I am

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Speaker 3: into it. Where are we starting?

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Speaker 1: Four things to know on this Friday on the men,

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Speaker 1: We've got some memories to tell you about could impact

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Speaker 1: the week ahead. Also additions and subtractions.

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Speaker 2: We've got some folks going.

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Speaker 1: We've got some conferences potentially looking to add teams to

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Speaker 1: round out where they stand. We've also got Laane Kiffin

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Speaker 1: run in his mouth talking a little bit about the

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Speaker 1: Alabama Crimson Tide program he knows well. And finally, not

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Speaker 1: so fast, my friends, college football not quite ready to

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Speaker 1: vote on that expanded playoff that we had talked about

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Speaker 1: a couple weeks ago. But we start the very top,

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Speaker 1: as always, all sorts of injury news to discuss here

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Speaker 1: on this Friday. We will start with the Keaton Slovis

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart controversy. Jackson Dart did not practice at least

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Speaker 1: as of Tuesday. He apparently sustained a knee injury in

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Speaker 1: the win at Washington State. Meanwhile, starter Keaton Slovis, who

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Speaker 1: was out he was knocked out of that game because

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Speaker 1: of a neck injury. He is back now taking first

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Speaker 1: team reps. This is per Dante Williams. He is their

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Speaker 1: interim football coach, of course, after the dismissal of one

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Speaker 1: Clay Helton. So do we have a controversy do we

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Speaker 1: not have a controversy? I guess we'll have to wait

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Speaker 1: a bit until both quarterbacks are fully healthy before we

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Speaker 1: can truly understand where things are going to head for

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Speaker 1: USC this season in twenty twenty one, perhaps next season

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. But sounds as if Keton Slovis

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Speaker 1: is okay, and that's a good thing.

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Speaker 3: It is a good thing, and it is good timing

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Speaker 3: if there could be good timing, because the following games

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Speaker 3: are on USC's schedule coming up right now. A tough

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Speaker 3: Oregon State team to me, and that's a PAC twelve

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Speaker 3: after dark matchup, a Colorado team who has struggled, a

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Speaker 3: Utah team who has struggled before, and off week which

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Speaker 3: and BYU. So hopefully the quarterbacks are getting healthier and

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Speaker 3: USC can play to its best ability. With their interim

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Speaker 3: coach Dante.

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Speaker 1: Williams, LSU will be watching the availability of a couple

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Speaker 1: the most notable of which is cam Cam Wire is

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Speaker 1: trouble on the offensive line. It just doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: good Mississippi State defense. He has not played since I

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Speaker 1: believe that game against UCLA, the one that they lost,

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Speaker 3: Correct and LSU ahead of that Mississippi State game beat

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Speaker 1: Alabama's top rusher Brian Robinson is dealing with a rib

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Speaker 3: to play Jake Garcia, Dan, remember that guy could be

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Jacarcia moved to Georgia. His parents apparently tried

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Speaker 1: Another chapter in the sordid tale that has been the

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Speaker 1: But strange in the additions department, Apparently the American Athletic

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Speaker 3: It's an incredible thing because it's a question of stability

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Speaker 1: Not in a great place. They're also doing a thing

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Speaker 1: make a lot more sense geographically, they're just going to

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Speaker 1: It's a trickier recruiting cell. And now as you maybe

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Speaker 1: it's really a full country approach to it that I

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Speaker 1: I don't know how they'd organize it, how they do it,

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Speaker 3: Point, especially if Memphis keeps investing in football, they may

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Speaker 1: More to come for sure on that front, Dan lane Kiffin,

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Speaker 1: I just like this story Lane Kiffin. Lane Kiffin talking

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Speaker 1: a good game here about Alabama football. He is on

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Speaker 1: the record now talking about how it doesn't seem like

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Speaker 1: Alabama is.

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Speaker 2: Going to meet their demise anytime soon.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's been some talk here about vulnerability, and

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Speaker 1: The money on that big Notre Dame Wisconsin matchum. And finally, Dan,

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Speaker 1: There's been some scuttle butt as of late about expanding

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Speaker 3: bye week whatever. I like scarcity. I don't love the

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Speaker 3: playoff as a whole, but if we are a playoff

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Speaker 3: sport now, then scarcity I think is meaningful to me

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Speaker 3: that it's special to make the college football playoff. The

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Speaker 3: problem to me with the best eight is you solve

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Speaker 3: a problem. You solve the blowout problem. Probably if we're

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Speaker 3: if we think that we can usually find the best eight,

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Speaker 3: no team that is, you know, off a cliff from

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Speaker 3: the other teams. You know, maybe whoever Alabama plays, notwithstanding,

445
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Speaker 3: is going to make the tournament, it's going to make

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Speaker 3: the playoff. I get that, I understand that. But I

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Speaker 3: think when we if we get to a point with

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Speaker 3: the best eight, regardless of conference affiliation, with how the

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Speaker 3: SEC has built up, with the power of the Big

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Speaker 3: Ten and now with ESPN being in full control, I

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Speaker 3: think it suffocates the sport. I think it suffocates the

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Speaker 3: growth of the sport, and I ultimately don't think it's

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Speaker 3: that great a thing that if you come in third

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Speaker 3: place in the SEC, well that's good enough. Now, well

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Speaker 3: that's good enough. Like if Texas A and m Alabama

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Speaker 3: and Georgia all make an eight team playoff. What you're

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Speaker 3: doing is you are essentially suffocating the sport, boxing out

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Speaker 3: parts of the country. I think it's bad for the

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Speaker 3: health of the sport to box out parts of the

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Speaker 3: country because the actual appeal of the sport nationally is

461
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Speaker 3: how varied it is. The mascots, the stadiums, the styles

462
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Speaker 3: of play, the coaches, and you start to get into

463
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Speaker 3: that territory where you're just like, we want to find

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Speaker 3: the best, We're going to pay the biggest teams, the

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Speaker 3: biggest the most amount of money, and it's going to

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Speaker 3: be the same teams there, you know, the same five

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Speaker 3: or six teams every year out of this eight. I

468
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Speaker 3: really do think it, and I think it's a disservice

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Speaker 3: to have it all on ESPN too. That was gonna

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Speaker 3: be spoler calling games I love.

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Speaker 2: I think it's bad.

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Speaker 1: That was gonna be my point as well. So the

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Speaker 1: way that the current contract is structured, it was originally

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Speaker 1: put together as a twelve year deal. Twelve year contract.

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Speaker 1: That contract I believe runs through twenty twenty five, and

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Speaker 1: so there's been some discourse here about if we changed

477
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Speaker 1: the system now, as you said earlier, ESPN would have

478
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Speaker 1: an exclusive window in which they can essentially bargain for

479
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Speaker 1: those games with terms that are favorable to them. To

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Speaker 1: televise the games, they would have responsibility for that or

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Speaker 1: rights to that. There are seemingly a number of conference

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Speaker 1: commissioners who feel as you do. If they're going to

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Speaker 1: change this thing, let's wait until the contract expires, let's

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Speaker 1: start it up in the twenty sixth season, and let's

485
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Speaker 1: try to go to market to a number of networks,

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Speaker 1: maybe not just ESPN. I mean, this is how they

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Speaker 1: do it in other pro sports. And I say other

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Speaker 1: pro sports because we're kind of at the pro sportsmil s.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, but you know, take the World Series, take the

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Speaker 1: NFL playoffs, take virtually any of the postseason.

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Speaker 3: Playoffs are on TNT, ESPN, ABC.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it gets split up, and so you could definitely

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Speaker 1: make the case that there's more money to be had

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Speaker 1: by spreading it around a little bit more than bundling

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Speaker 1: it all together into you know, one big package. Now,

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Speaker 1: I am not a TV or media executive, at least

498
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Speaker 1: not as of yet, not yet, so I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the upside would be to breaking it apart, but

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Speaker 1: it seems as if they've reached critical mass on that argument,

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Speaker 1: and there are a number of conference commissioners, presidents and

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Speaker 1: powers that be again that would want to do it

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Speaker 1: to make it so well.

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Speaker 3: Don't you think we're at TV wise, Don't you think

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Speaker 3: we're at a fever pitch right now of people saying

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Speaker 3: ESPN runs college football, that it's a state run sport.

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't you think.

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Speaker 3: That that's We're definitely at a fever pitch of conspiracy

509
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Speaker 3: theories of like ESPN wants the college football playoff to

510
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Speaker 3: be heavy SEC because they own the SEC network and

511
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Speaker 3: they're going to own the rights, or they are about

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Speaker 3: to own the rights for the huge SEC game of

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Speaker 3: the week, you know, taking it away from CBS. Like,

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Speaker 3: I think it's bad for the health of the future

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Speaker 3: of the sport to think to yourself, one network shows everything,

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Speaker 3: and people who are on the outside, whether you're a

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Speaker 3: fan of a Big twelve team, a PAC twelve team,

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Speaker 3: Big ten team, to whatever extent, they're going to say

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Speaker 3: it's rig it's pointless. I think that's bad. I think

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Speaker 3: it's even if it's not true. I think it's just

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Speaker 3: a terrible sort of homogeneous look for the sport to

522
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Speaker 3: be in that close of a relationship with a single network,

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Speaker 3: it's not great.

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Speaker 1: Well, look, we'll find out here, maybe not as quickly

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Speaker 1: as we expected, which direction college football wants to go.

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Speaker 1: There have been all sorts of little wrinkles to this story. Again,

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Speaker 1: they kept a lid on it, a very tight lid

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Speaker 1: on it, until suddenly they just announced that this was

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Speaker 1: the plan that they had adopted, and then some of

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Speaker 1: the nuance came out. Some of the people who were

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Speaker 1: not involved, who are not in the room, took obvious

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Speaker 1: exception to it. There was also the wrinkle of bowl

533
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Speaker 1: games versus playing games on campus that we soon found

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Speaker 1: out a little bit more about the TV deal though,

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Speaker 1: and the ramifications with the ESPN other networks will ultimately,

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Speaker 1: I think, be the deciding factor here because sure, totally

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Speaker 1: separate from the fact that we're changing the format of

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Speaker 1: how we pick a champion, which you could argue has

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Speaker 1: never really been that important for college football to begin with,

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Speaker 1: but that's.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's become less important this last decade with the

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Speaker 3: dominance of two or three teams. Yeah, I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: a whole separate argument. But when we talk about TV

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Speaker 3: rights and contracts and things of that nature, now we're

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Speaker 3: talking about real money. That's money that ends up in

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Speaker 3: the pockets of these institutions that everybody's going to have

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Speaker 3: a pretty strong opinion on what makes sense. My expectation now,

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Speaker 3: given the fact that they've been slow playing it, that

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Speaker 3: they're not going to be doing this vote. I guess

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Speaker 3: within the next few days we're not going to get

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Speaker 3: change in the system until twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it. Yeah, I don't see it before then.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just there needs to be consideration of you know,

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Speaker 3: what is the point of everything that we do, like,

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Speaker 3: is what is the actual big picture point? If fewer

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Speaker 3: and fewer people are watching the national championship and care

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Speaker 3: about the national like a mainstream sports fan thinks to

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Speaker 3: him or herself, Alabama's just gonna win, the Alabama's just

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Speaker 3: gonna win, you have to give them a reason to

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Speaker 3: watch this playoff. And so as it stands right now,

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Speaker 3: if you're tuning in every year and you're largely watching

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Speaker 3: SEC teams, like, I don't think college football media is

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Speaker 3: in a good place right now, Like the conference networks

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Speaker 3: are to me basically unwatchable. Do you ever watch conference networks?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: We're getting to a bad national place in terms of

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Speaker 3: how the sport is viewed on TV, And so I

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Speaker 3: think it needs to get to a point where there

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Speaker 3: are more interesting factors and more interesting reasons to watch

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Speaker 3: a college football playoff and loading it up with the

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Speaker 3: same teams every year has been bad for the sport,

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Speaker 3: And so I don't know how you can go in

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Speaker 3: that direction. Twelve teams. Yeah, maybe it's interesting because you

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Speaker 3: get that full weekend the opening round without those top

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Speaker 3: four teams, So that's something, But twelve just seems like

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Speaker 3: a lot of teams right now to me, And you're

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Speaker 3: gonna get a lot of, you know, four teams from

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Speaker 3: a conference like whether it's the Big Ten, whether it's

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Speaker 3: the PAC twelve in the future, whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's it's just weighted so awkwardly to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, more to come on this story for sure.

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Speaker 1: Soliverbal at gmail dot com. Right in post night, Yeah thoughts,

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Speaker 1: there you go down WSV I guess R our Friday

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Speaker 1: news radio show here talking a handful of topics in

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Speaker 1: the college football world.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 1: Soliverbal at gmail dot com is the email. You can

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you like the show, that's great. And

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Speaker 3: Hope you enjoy watching the games this weekend. Hope all

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Speaker 3: you all enjoy watching the games this weekend College football week.

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Speaker 2: For a scratch and sniff Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Dan, I do apologize you. I said Cinderella mirror Saturday.

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Speaker 3: It was a snow white mirror Saturday. I was trying

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