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Speaker 1: is crime stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Let's kick

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Speaker 1: it off with a reading of the indictment by the state. Listen,

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Speaker 1: members of the grand jury deliberated and determined. There is

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Speaker 1: probable cause to believe the day Bells willfully and knowingly

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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of it. Daryl Cohen, former

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Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry Schwartz forensic psychologists specializing in criminal behavior at

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Speaker 1: panther mitigation dot com, author of Criminal Behavior and where

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Speaker 1: Law and Psychology intersect. Boy donated Shrink also with me

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Speaker 1: Tim Gallagher. You can find him at Pathcare pathcaremd dot com.

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Speaker 1: You can find him at Jeff Cortesi dot com. And

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Speaker 1: now to Nate Eton, the news director at East Idaho

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Speaker 1: CV what happened? Nine felony counts, Nancy, Nine felony counts.

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Speaker 1: In fact, she saw She testified that Alex Cox carried

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Speaker 1: JJ out in those same pajamas the night before JJ

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Speaker 1: was allegedly buried at Chad day Bell's house, and that

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Speaker 1: that very day Laurie had been talking about how JJ

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Speaker 1: had turned into a zombie, that he was climbing all

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Speaker 1: over the counters, that he knocked down a picture of Jesus.

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Speaker 1: She was telling this best friend that, So that's that's

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Speaker 1: pretty strong evidence there. I would imagine you mentioned it's

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Speaker 1: just a death penalty case. Yes, it could be if

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Speaker 1: the prosecution has to stay within the first within sixty days,

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Speaker 1: if they're going to pursue the death penalty. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people think the theory is that Chat and Laurie

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Speaker 1: may welcome that, to see them die as martyrs for

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Speaker 1: their cause. If if they truly believe child murder, killing

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Speaker 1: your spouse just so you can check up at a

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Speaker 1: motel and have sex with somebody, what it's over in

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes, and then what well? Remember Chat and Laurie,

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Speaker 1: Chat especially believe they were the leaders of the hundred

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Speaker 1: forty four thousand who would usher back the Second Coming.

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Speaker 1: Would you please stop talking about there's any beliefs. Please.

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Speaker 1: They're using that as justification. Don't you remember d days

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Speaker 1: already come and go? Wasn't it last summer that the

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Speaker 1: world was supposed to come to an end. Haven't we

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Speaker 1: gone over and over and over the part in the

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Speaker 1: Bible that says very clearly nobody knows when this is

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Speaker 1: going to happen. That they didn't even Christ say, I

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Speaker 1: don't even know what it's going to happen. So how

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Speaker 1: does Tammy Daybelle know it's gonna happen? Stop? You sound

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Speaker 1: like you actually believe in Nate et? Can I get

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Speaker 1: you out of the ways and back into the middle

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Speaker 1: of the road. The facts, the evidence, I want to hear.

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Speaker 1: Do you really believe they've got text messages? And would

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Speaker 1: these two be that stupid to text about murder? There

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Speaker 1: is gigabytes and gigabytes and terabytes of evidence in the

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Speaker 1: cloud of electronic evidence, of texts, of Google searches, of emails,

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Speaker 1: and the indictment goes into a little bit about it.

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Speaker 1: Please tell me no, Well, the indictment talks about text

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Speaker 1: messages between them. We mentioned them being in limbo, the

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Speaker 1: life insurance policy with Tammy them you emailing about that.

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Speaker 1: Multiple Internet searches, including from Alex about the Glen Grendel

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Speaker 1: drop a bullet? How do you shoot through a Dodge Dakota.

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Speaker 1: They've got the timeline of what Alex was doing leading

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Speaker 1: up until the moments Tammy died. And this is just

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Speaker 1: this is just a touch of it. So it will

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Speaker 1: be fascinating to see all of the evidence that they

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Speaker 1: do present when this goes before the jury. You know,

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Speaker 1: does Jeff Cortesi, former FBI special agent, you can find

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Speaker 1: them with Jeff Cortes dot com. I said, would they

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Speaker 1: be that stupid? But you know what, criminals are not

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Speaker 1: as smart as they appear in, for instance, movies and novels.

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Speaker 1: They leave a trail Jeff, Yeah, they certainly do. We

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Speaker 1: only we only catch the dumb ones, we say sometimes. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, there is a long timeline here of activity

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Speaker 1: that is going to ultimately betray their behavior or betray them. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, everything that they did behavior really appears to

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Speaker 1: point to suspicious activities that appears to point everything back

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Speaker 1: to them. The evidence, the physical evidence itself, the communications,

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Speaker 1: that geolocation on the phones, all the other physical and

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Speaker 1: technological evidence that will be and was discovered by law enforcement,

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Speaker 1: I think is ultimately just going to paint a very

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Speaker 1: clear and disturbing picture. Climb stories with Nancy Grace and

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Speaker 1: the part of the indictment that lays out avert acts.

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Speaker 1: Somebody in that prosecutor's office has really done their homework.

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Speaker 1: They go all the way back to twenty eighteen and

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Speaker 1: track the various things Value and day Bill did in

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Speaker 1: preparation for the murdyrs, very very meticulously. One part that

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Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, where Chad day Bell actually

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Speaker 1: check and googled the wind where it would be blowing

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Speaker 1: the day that the children were buried and his pet cemetery.

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Speaker 1: It reminds me of a case I had Nate where

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Speaker 1: a very wealthy defendant murdered his wife and set the

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Speaker 1: house on fire. Guess what he did, Like the day before,

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Speaker 1: two days before he set the fire, he called the

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Speaker 1: weather service to find out if it was going to

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Speaker 1: rain the day of the fire. And he called his

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Speaker 1: insurance to find out if if the house were to

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Speaker 1: burn down, if they covered replacement furniture. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. But the planning, the meticulous planning,

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Speaker 1: leaves a trail like this idiot Chad day Bell checking

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Speaker 1: would the wind blow the smell of the children's decomposed

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Speaker 1: bodies toward his neighbors. Yeah, and not only that, you

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Speaker 1: might notice in the indictment, Nancy, how it talks about

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Speaker 1: Chad day Bell and Alex Cox getting burner phones. Alex

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Speaker 1: Cox got a burner phone, meaning one that can't be traced,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of those prepaid cell phone things that

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Speaker 1: on the day that he tried to fire at Tammy

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Speaker 1: the first time, on the day he tried to kill

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Speaker 1: Tammy the first time with the gun, he got a

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Speaker 1: burner phone that day. Chad Dave Bell got a burner

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Speaker 1: phone around the same time Tyley's body was buried on

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Speaker 1: his property. So they've been able to track down those

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Speaker 1: burner phones, which I would imagine most criminals think can't

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Speaker 1: be tracked. Well, looks like the police got him, Gerald Cohen,

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Speaker 1: what is a married man and a burner phone, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'd say a married man need's a burner phone, because

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Speaker 1: that married man is being a dumbbell rather than a

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Speaker 1: day bell. That married man. Okay, you did that at

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Speaker 1: the beginning. It was funny man, because he's a criminal.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, doctor Sherry Schwartz, if I found out

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Speaker 1: my husband had a burner phone, all of his clothes

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Speaker 1: would be in the front on fire right now. A

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Speaker 1: burner phone for what? Well, and it makes me wonder,

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Speaker 1: as I'm sure most of your audience is wondering and

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Speaker 1: has been wondering. Is that why Tammy Dave Bell had

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Speaker 1: to be put out of the way, because she discovered

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Speaker 1: that there wasn't this affair between these two, and she

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Speaker 1: was protesting as any wife would. The other thing is

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Speaker 1: I believe I read somewhere there was an insurance policy

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Speaker 1: for over three hundred thousand dollars on Tammy Dave Bell.

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Speaker 1: I believe I may be inclined. Doctor Sherry shortsys while

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Speaker 1: you're not just a psychologist, you are a forensic psychologist,

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Speaker 1: because you're absolutely correct yet again, that Chad Dave Bell

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Speaker 1: gets all the life insurance policy and cal mom Laurie

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Speaker 1: Valo kept getting Social Security benefits for all the children

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Speaker 1: she's taking care of ps that are dead. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking back on what she's saying about the burner phone.

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Speaker 1: Why would they want the burner phone? But here's a question.

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Speaker 1: Let me throw this at you, Nate Eaton. I think

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Speaker 1: that Sherry Schwartz, doctor Sherry Schortz, is correct that Tammy

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Speaker 1: day Bell, first of all, did not like Laurie Valo.

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Speaker 1: She did not like the flirtation. I think she suspected

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Speaker 1: an affair, But didn't the children go missing before tammy

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Speaker 1: Daybell died. Yeah, the children, according to law enforce, that

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Speaker 1: were killed several weeks before Tammy Da Bell died. They

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Speaker 1: were buried in Tammy Davell's backyard as tammy Day Bell

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Speaker 1: was coming and going to work every day as the

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Speaker 1: school librarian. That gives me another motive for murder, not

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Speaker 1: that the state needs to prove a mode of Nate Eton.

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Speaker 1: Not only does she know about the affair, I think

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Speaker 1: she did, but Joyn and her husband and Laurie Vallo.

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Speaker 1: But I wonder if she figured out Valo's children are missing.

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Speaker 1: I wonder if she put two and two together and

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Speaker 1: figured out her husband had something to do with the

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Speaker 1: children's murders. It's possible. It's possible. She was not stupid.

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Speaker 1: That was a smart woman. Yeah, she was. She was

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Speaker 1: a very smart woman. She also was she didn't go

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Speaker 1: along from every indication. She didn't go along with Chad's

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Speaker 1: religious beliefs. He would go out on the road and

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Speaker 1: he would do these meetings. And that's how he actually

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Speaker 1: met Laurie down at a meeting in Arizona, a conference,

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Speaker 1: another conference. Why do men even go to conferences, you know,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, He goes out of an out of town

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Speaker 1: for a religious meeting and hooks up with calt mom

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Speaker 1: Laurie Vallo. You know, she was reading his phone and

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Speaker 1: his email. She had to know what was going on.

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Speaker 1: So I wonder if she got wise. Nate etan to

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Speaker 1: the fact these two children were murdered, so he got

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Speaker 1: rid of her for that. It is a possibility. We

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Speaker 1: do know that Laurie's one of her best friends said

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Speaker 1: both Laurie. Laurie had like four or five phones. She

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Speaker 1: was always had a different phone number. Chad was getting

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Speaker 1: into the burner phones, so you know, it was hard

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Speaker 1: to keep track of where they were and what they

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Speaker 1: were doing. According to her friend Melody Gifts, well yeah,

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Speaker 1: they even out smart police, and police are trying to

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Speaker 1: find the two children. Speaking Tammy day bel take a

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Speaker 1: listen to Ghanamahea KSL TV News and Mandy Fowler. Tammy

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Speaker 1: had allegedly died in her sleep. They found her in bed.

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Speaker 1: They didn't know the causes. Mandy wasn't shocked. I talked

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Speaker 1: to her the day before she died. She says. During

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Speaker 1: that last visit with Tammy, something felt off, and she

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Speaker 1: seemed maybe kind of frustrated and that wasn't typical for her.

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Speaker 1: Things got stranger as Mandy and multiple friends tell Kso

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Speaker 1: that Tammy's husband, Chad day Bell, refused to have an

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Speaker 1: autopsy performed. With so many investigations now involving Chad, Mandy

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Speaker 1: hopes to find closure for her friend. I just can't

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Speaker 1: help but think that I want to know what happened

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Speaker 1: to Tammy. Well, here's a choice, Nate Eton. Either the

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Speaker 1: too Laurie Valo and Chad day Bell are clairvoyant or

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Speaker 1: their murderers, because they planned their Hawaiian wedding right down

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Speaker 1: to ordering the wedding dress, his groom's outfit, and the

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Speaker 1: ring while Tammy day Bell was still alive, and that search,

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Speaker 1: that Amazon search was for a beach bac wedding dress,

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Speaker 1: and then conveniently, Tammy did them the big favor of

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Speaker 1: dying in her sleep. I don't think they're clairvoyant, and

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Speaker 1: that only leaves one alternative. We wait as justice unfols

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story, signing off, Goodbye friend,