WEBVTT - Pushing Back Against Nazis with Lincoln Heights Resident Sharen Sierra King (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>Keep on riding with us, says, we continue to broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>the balance and defend the discourse from the Hip Hop

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<v Speaker 1>Weekly studios. Welcome back to Civic Cipher. I am your

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<v Speaker 1>host Rams's job. Big shout out to my brother q Ward,

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<v Speaker 1>who I know is supposed to be back in the studio,

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<v Speaker 1>but he will be back soon. I promise. We are

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<v Speaker 1>working all that out, but we are in good hands.

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<v Speaker 1>We are joined by Sharin Sierra King, journalist, public speaker,

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<v Speaker 1>and former radio host, life member of the NCNW as

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<v Speaker 1>well as NAACP, where she is actively engaged in public

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<v Speaker 1>public policy advocacy, voter protection efforts, and racial justice initiatives

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<v Speaker 1>at both the local and national levels, and also a

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<v Speaker 1>resident of Lincoln Heights, Ohio, the place that is making

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<v Speaker 1>national headlines for the Nazi demonstrations and the community response.

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<v Speaker 1>And we will be discussing that community response during this

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<v Speaker 1>part of the show, So stick around for that and

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<v Speaker 1>so much more because this is such an interesting conversation

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, good, good, I love that. I am a member, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you right there. All right. We've been having a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about Nazis marching on Lincoln Heights, in my opinion, a

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<v Speaker 1>disgusting display of white supremacy, and the police's response, which

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<v Speaker 1>in many people's opinions, was simply to provide cover for

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazis. Yes, And now we're going to discuss the

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<v Speaker 1>community's response to those two elements, the Nazis' initial move

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<v Speaker 1>to try to intimidate this black town and the police's

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<v Speaker 1>do nothing approach to I don't hate Tate, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is. That was way simpler. So I want

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<v Speaker 1>to share a bit of a story and then we'll

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<v Speaker 1>have a conversation about the community response, because it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out that community is quite resilient. And you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a big fan of historically on this show. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a fan of guns. I'm not a fan of violence.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a fan of That's not my thing. My

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<v Speaker 1>heart just doesn't it's not in my heart that way. Q.

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<v Speaker 1>On the other hand, he's got a little bit more

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<v Speaker 1>room for that, right, And that's okay, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's okay. It takes place for all of it, right, right.

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<v Speaker 1>But i't me to share the story and get everyone

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<v Speaker 1>brought up to speed, okay. This from Newsweek. Residents of

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<v Speaker 1>a majority black town in Ohio have reportedly launched an

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<v Speaker 1>armed patrol for their protection after criticizing the police response

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<v Speaker 1>to a neo Nazi demonstration in February, the Cincinnati suburb

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<v Speaker 1>of Lincoln Heights garnered national attention after a neo Nazi

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<v Speaker 1>group way swastika flags and hurling racial slurs demonstrated on

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<v Speaker 1>a highway overpass on the edge of the community on

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<v Speaker 1>February seven. The incident sparked outrage, with residents at a

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<v Speaker 1>town hall questioning why officers from the neighboring village of

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<v Speaker 1>Evandale and deputies from the Hamilton County Sheriff's Office who

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<v Speaker 1>responded to the incident made no citations or arrests. They

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<v Speaker 1>expressed concerns that they would not be safe if another

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<v Speaker 1>similar incident occurred. Residents then stated the Lincoln Heights Safety

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<v Speaker 1>and Watch Program Sorry. They then started the Lincoln Heights

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<v Speaker 1>Safety and Watch Program. I hope I say this right.

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<v Speaker 2>Durrance Durronce Daniels.

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<v Speaker 1>Durrance Daniels, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Whose name it resonates throughout the valley as well. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>his grandfather was one of our soos ship pastors.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, so here's somebody knows Everybodyim okay, good, good,

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, so I'll continue. Durrance Daniels, the watch

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<v Speaker 1>group spokesperson, told the Washington Post in February that residents

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<v Speaker 1>took up arms shortly after the neo Nazis left, and

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<v Speaker 1>community leaders formed the program in order to organize them.

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<v Speaker 1>The program coordinates about seventy guards to watch the roads

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<v Speaker 1>leading too into the town and go on arm patrols.

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<v Speaker 1>The Post reported Ohio law allows anyone legally permitted to

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<v Speaker 1>own a gun to open carry without a permit. The

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<v Speaker 1>group also patrols in your bus stops to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>students go to school safely. According to an NBC News report,

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<v Speaker 1>So you know again, I'm not a fan of guns.

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<v Speaker 1>Historically on this show, I have said, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to hide from this. Now, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 1>tell you how much I love this, but I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to hide from it. Okay, guns exist to end life.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. That's the only that's the nature of the

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<v Speaker 1>deployment of that device. It's not a knife where you

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<v Speaker 1>can carve something with it, prepare food. No, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>to end life. And I don't believe that my purpose.

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<v Speaker 1>I was not created to end life, right, So for

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<v Speaker 1>me personally, my decision that's not right. When it's my time,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be my time. I will live my life well,

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<v Speaker 1>and when my time comes, I will look at it

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<v Speaker 1>like a man and I will face that moment and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully live that moment well too. However, I love this.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it, Oh my god, I love it so much. Right, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, there's there's something to be said about

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<v Speaker 1>people who do feel like guns are for protection. I

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<v Speaker 1>historically have pushed back against that narrative because if someone

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<v Speaker 1>has to drop on you, something that's more protective is

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<v Speaker 1>a bulletproof vest. Right, protection is the name of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>But in mass this display certainly does provide a preventative

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<v Speaker 1>form of protection. Right. And as a fan of the

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<v Speaker 1>Panthers from from Oakland, right, I'm a fan of the Panthers.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these these great leaders, these great movements in history. I,

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<v Speaker 1>like you, was made to learn about them, Yes, from

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<v Speaker 1>my father, doctor Rudolph Wayne Taylor, you know, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a minister. And you know, as we discussed in the

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<v Speaker 1>first part of the show, the church is again the

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<v Speaker 1>cultural watering hole for a lot of black communities. So

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<v Speaker 1>in Compton, California, Greater Grace Memorial Church of God in

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<v Speaker 1>Christ was that I hear it, right, But also you

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<v Speaker 1>know there are people like doctor Kimilla Westenberg, my teacher

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<v Speaker 1>in college, who was also a member of the NCNW,

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<v Speaker 1>who made sure that I learned about the Panthers and

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<v Speaker 1>about the misinformation and disinformation campaigns from the government. What

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<v Speaker 1>the Panthers stood for and stood on. The Panthers were

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<v Speaker 1>not They did not exist to harm people. They existed

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<v Speaker 1>to protect people, and that's what they did, largely children exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And because there is such a deep did hatred that

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<v Speaker 1>is emboldened by the political administrations of the time or

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<v Speaker 1>even this even this current administration, because there's a deep

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<v Speaker 1>seated fear of black people gaining too much relative to

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<v Speaker 1>white people, that violence often erupts from that phenomenon, not

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<v Speaker 1>from black people just owning guns and patrolling their own streets.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I wanted to make sure that I stated

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<v Speaker 1>that now I want to let you, let you go

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<v Speaker 1>right now, because these are people, these are your people, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let me get you started. Is this the right response?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the right response for the moment, because if

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<v Speaker 2>you do not show it, I believe coming from the

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<v Speaker 2>upbringing I came from. Yes we had peaceful marches, Yes

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<v Speaker 2>we had peaceful pastors sharing what we should be doing

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<v Speaker 2>as a collaborative. But that moment in time, my babies

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<v Speaker 2>were coming from school. Yeah, that two thirty getting off

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<v Speaker 2>the bus. If not, then then when I don't longer

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<v Speaker 2>own a gun. But my mother had a gun on

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<v Speaker 2>her at all times, traveling back and forth to sell,

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<v Speaker 2>Alabama where we lived. It just was a matter of fact.

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<v Speaker 2>My mother was epitome of a black panther as far

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<v Speaker 2>as that the high yellow red hair come from Selma,

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<v Speaker 2>raised by her grandfather who kept a shotgun, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>by him at all times. Now do I believe in

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<v Speaker 2>the carry and just going into restaurants, No, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know here in Arizona happens all the time I was

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<v Speaker 2>at the doctor's office, guy was hosting his forty five.

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<v Speaker 2>And that is the state we now live in. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I am a proponent of protection. And if it takes

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<v Speaker 2>patrolling your neighborhood, because they're still come in there. I

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<v Speaker 2>could show you a picture where they've been like throwing

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<v Speaker 2>all this literature around about the KK. Literature can't hurt me,

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<v Speaker 2>but their guns can't. And for me when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to my elders, my community in general, but my elders

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<v Speaker 2>and my babies, at all costs, you know I'm willing

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<v Speaker 2>to lay down my life because I was only raised

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that I did everything I could. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a peaceful protester, but I am literally arming myself with

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<v Speaker 2>the information to do the work. As a public policy advocate.

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<v Speaker 2>I go to DC, I go to the state capitals,

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<v Speaker 2>I go advocating for the funds for the health departments.

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<v Speaker 2>The state health departments, they look at me like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>S're in whatever, But no, all of this matters. If

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<v Speaker 2>we have healthy communities, then we can have a thriving community,

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<v Speaker 2>if we have collaboration with partners who see us in

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<v Speaker 2>affordable housing. As I mentioned, Avendo has their grocery store.

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Heights had everything they needed within Lincoln Heights grocery stores, butchers,

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<v Speaker 2>they had wood makers, they had I hired from my

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<v Speaker 2>home in Kentucky. I hired a granite man who taught

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<v Speaker 2>whose sons didn't want to learn it, but he did

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<v Speaker 2>all my stonework. We had everything, and we were cut off.

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<v Speaker 2>They annexed the land around Lincoln Heights so to commercial

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<v Speaker 2>so we couldn't expand. So that's how I feel about

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<v Speaker 2>what they're doing with the hate groups. They are cutting

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<v Speaker 2>us off. They are demeaning us or attempting to demean us.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you know, the movement to patrol and protect

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<v Speaker 2>our citizens is real, and it's necessary at this time

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<v Speaker 2>because we can not depend on the Evendale Police. I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to Carton Colins, the co founder of the Heights Movement, yesterday,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've been waiting for three days from a response

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<v Speaker 2>from the Hamilton County Shriff's office. Three days for a

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<v Speaker 2>response to a meeting that happened this past week where

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<v Speaker 2>there were a drone, eleven police cars and they wanted

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<v Speaker 2>you before you came into your own community council meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>They arrested a young man. Now, I don't want it

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<v Speaker 2>throw anybody who leaves the bus. Somebody made a complaint

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<v Speaker 2>because they wanted to bring their guns in. Well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've gone to places where you have to leave your

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<v Speaker 2>gun outside, the biker the Blues place downtown where the

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<v Speaker 2>bikers go, they lay down their colors and they leave

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<v Speaker 2>their guns outside. I'm not wanting to tell anyone what

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<v Speaker 2>to do with their gun. But there was a complaint

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<v Speaker 2>and the sheriff and the Hamilton County Sheriff showed up

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<v Speaker 2>in force. Where was that force when we were being intimidated.

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<v Speaker 1>By the Nazis. Yeah, where was that force?

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<v Speaker 2>The Evendelle police officer helped load the U haul with

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<v Speaker 2>their equipment and their flags.

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<v Speaker 1>I would never touch.

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<v Speaker 2>That flag, never. Yeah, So where was that force? And

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't there. I know that the council meeting and

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<v Speaker 2>the Lincoln's council meeting was disruptive, and that the Hamilton

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<v Speaker 2>County Sheriff Department was out and they had a drone Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 2>He says, this big the council meeting isn't a building

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<v Speaker 2>smaller than your home. Uh, and they showed.

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<v Speaker 1>Up like that. Well you know this this display. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me let me make sure that I clarify a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of things too. I know that for me, the

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<v Speaker 1>guns are not for me. Not for me. I wish

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<v Speaker 1>that we lived in a world where nobody needed him.

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<v Speaker 1>I I've been fortunate enough to travel around the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and there are plenty of countries where nobody has a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Been there, Yeah, exactly, nobody has a gun. The police

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<v Speaker 1>don't have guns, nobody. I've been to places where only

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<v Speaker 1>the police have guns, but they keep it in the

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<v Speaker 1>trunk of their car. Right. I've been to places where

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<v Speaker 1>everybody has guns, but police have guns, and they keep

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<v Speaker 1>their guns in the trunk of their car and they

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<v Speaker 1>have to make a call to get it out and

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah so that no one gets accidentally killed. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>there's responsible rules. So I've been to all these places.

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<v Speaker 1>I just know that no matter where I live, for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that I'm I was put here to

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<v Speaker 1>end of life. For other people, I recognize that this

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of a part of our nature, our history,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, Like we've going all the

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<v Speaker 1>way back to the beginning, we have killed each other.

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<v Speaker 1>That's just a part so to others vcs too, So

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<v Speaker 1>it's perhaps just a part of nature. And it may

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<v Speaker 1>be inescapable folks could argue that that's not where I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to go with this. I do feel like, however,

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<v Speaker 1>with this particular display, those masks that I saw in

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<v Speaker 1>the article, the black people masked up with the tactical

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<v Speaker 1>gear and the bulletproof vests and the big, the huge guns,

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<v Speaker 1>walking children across the street, black children across the street,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that that is it is necessarily intimidating. It

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<v Speaker 1>is it is a display that suggests, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want it, I got it. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>to try me, come try me. And that, I think

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<v Speaker 1>switches the narrative from add these are people who are vulnerable,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can go and pick on them, and we

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<v Speaker 1>can go and further marginalize and subjugate them and diminish

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<v Speaker 1>their what are their capacity to push back? It changes

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative from that to Okay, these people need to

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<v Speaker 1>be real expected. We need to be very careful how

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<v Speaker 1>we go about trying to intimidate them, or we should

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<v Speaker 1>probably leave these people alone. And that's a more favorable

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<v Speaker 1>position to be in given this current administration. We can

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<v Speaker 1>get back to the kumbayas and stuff. Once we get

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<v Speaker 1>to the we get to the table, to the table. Thanksce,

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<v Speaker 1>Will you allow us to the table, back.

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<v Speaker 2>To the table the table and have fair We've never

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<v Speaker 2>had fair and equal. But yeah, And I think because

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<v Speaker 2>they came dressed like that, we need to meet.

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<v Speaker 1>Them dressed like that exactly. And this and I love

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<v Speaker 1>that because there's been a lot of complaints about, you know, Democrats,

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<v Speaker 1>to kick this up a level to politics, there's been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of complaints about Democrats and their response to

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans holding all the levers of government, and it feels

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<v Speaker 1>to a lot of people quite limperistic, you know, And

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<v Speaker 1>I do recognize that there's a lot of nuance there.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to pick on Democrats unnecessarily, and I

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<v Speaker 1>do want to make sure that I do acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 1>there are at least more than one Republican person. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't see the world the same way, but they're trying

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<v Speaker 1>to do the right thing by black folks, the Constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera. They just feel how they feel whatever. But

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of like the way that this political administration

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<v Speaker 1>has really stripped from the federal level a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>the progress that black people have been pursuing. And there

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<v Speaker 1>you go that too. Yeah, you know, kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>we are is let's let's use what we can where

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<v Speaker 1>we are, when we're when we can right now, when

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<v Speaker 1>we can write and you know, if at present it's

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<v Speaker 1>still legal for black folks to bear arms because we're

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<v Speaker 1>still considered citizens, yes, so far, but that's what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if that's still the truth for us, then where we

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<v Speaker 1>are right now, using what we can right now, that

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<v Speaker 1>feels viable in the same way that and I was

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<v Speaker 1>going to ask you about this, in the same way

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<v Speaker 1>that boycotting feels viable. You know. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>that has come not from Democrats specifically, but from we'll

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<v Speaker 1>say more progressive minds, has been okay, well, if all

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<v Speaker 1>these corporations are going to ben the need to Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump when they don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Need to, they don't have to write at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And they have short memories apparently because they don't realize

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<v Speaker 1>that presidencies only last four years and black people last

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<v Speaker 1>forever and have been here forever. So you made a

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<v Speaker 1>strange bedfellow of this president. But if that's how you feel. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>more more progressive minds have kind of called for boycotts

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, amazons, of course, target walmarts, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I want to get your thoughts on that too.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I want to backtrack for just a moment. Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump thinks he's going to be president forever, forget the

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<v Speaker 2>four years, forget the four years. So he does believe

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to be our next dictator forever for humans,

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<v Speaker 2>especially for him.

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<v Speaker 1>But on the.

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<v Speaker 2>Boycott side, yes, again, I love to go back to

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<v Speaker 2>my roost because that's who I am today in a

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<v Speaker 2>more progressive manner. But the churches have always boycotted going

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<v Speaker 2>back to you know, post slavery. It was a way

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<v Speaker 2>for us. And if you look at doctor King Junior's book,

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<v Speaker 2>Community or Chaos, where do we go from here? He

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<v Speaker 2>mentions that we go we need to go back because

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<v Speaker 2>we really didn't do it well enough. And he lays

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<v Speaker 2>out a platform and and I give this book to

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<v Speaker 2>everyone I can. I mean I gifted to them. He

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<v Speaker 2>leaves Community or Chaos? Where do we go from here?

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<v Speaker 2>And it's his last book and his wife did the

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<v Speaker 2>forward to it. But if we do not boycott with

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<v Speaker 2>our voices and our dollars, then without a gun, where

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<v Speaker 2>else do we havet I.

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<v Speaker 1>Love that, you know what, It's it's crazy because there

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<v Speaker 1>are people who will invest in a system that's suppressing.

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<v Speaker 1>There are black people who are still on Twitter. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say that again. There are black people who are

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<v Speaker 1>still on Twitter. They don't they don't want to walk

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<v Speaker 1>away from their Twitter followers. And and to me, I'm like, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're investing in your own oppression. Thank you death and

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<v Speaker 1>you know not just you know what's taking place in

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<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Heights in terms of the community's response. But these

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<v Speaker 1>these boycotts, this this this exercising of what freedoms we

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<v Speaker 1>still do enjoy to spend our dollars and invest where

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<v Speaker 1>the soil is fertile. Yes, and to deny. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very petty and I hold grudge it so well and

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of love.

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<v Speaker 2>It, know yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So anyway, we'll leave it right there. I would

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<v Speaker 1>love to thank you for taking the time to come

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<v Speaker 1>up and talk to us before you go. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>any social media, any websites, anything like that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to Yeah, well, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really simple to find me, even though I on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't use Twitter, but I take my name on

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<v Speaker 2>everything so no one can use my name.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's Sharin.

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<v Speaker 2>Sierra s h A r E N S like Sam

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<v Speaker 2>I E R R A. If you google Sharin Sierra

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<v Speaker 2>then you'll find me across my platforms and look for

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<v Speaker 2>a podcast coming soon. I'm returning back to media, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>to returning back to media. But most of all, do

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<v Speaker 2>what you can where you are, with or without me,

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<v Speaker 2>do what you can't.

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<v Speaker 1>Where you are. I love that. I love that, and

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