WEBVTT - “I’M A CRUISE SHIP MUSICIAN” 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.080 Hello, Hey, have you got you? Hey? Hi there. What's 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:02.480 your name? 0:00:02.720 --> 0:00:03.440 My name's Jack. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:05.840 Jack. Are you calling me for I see you have 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.200 a weird area code or I guess weird for me. 0:00:09.400 --> 0:00:11.720 But what are you from Australia. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:17.160 I'm calling from just off the coast of Nikonos in Greece. 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:20.200 But yeah, the Australian phone number. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:22.280 Oh what are you doing in Miconos. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:30.400 I'm on a Virgin Voyagers ship. I'm a musician, so 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:34.200 I'm like a guest artist on the ship right now. 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:36.200 This is crazy. This is the first time I've tried 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.680 to call, so my Telco in Australia is going to 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.319 read me for this, but it's totally worth it. 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:43.559 This is crazy for me too. I've never talked to 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.000 an Australian man working as the entertainment on a cruise 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:49.360 in Miconos. 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:55.400 It's pretty trippy. I'm sort of a year and a 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:59.360 bit into the gig and yeah, man, whenever I'm doing 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:04.360 something or Senega guitar or just feeling fucking anxious, I 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:08.000 put on your stuff and it's a it's the perfect 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:10.720 it's the perfect you know, put your brain in default 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.399 mode kind of kind of stuff, as well as being 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:17.240 really interesting. I was just listening to the the episode 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.880 with that girl who was stuck on the stuck on 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.720 the river in the houseboat. Yeah yeah, definitely. 0:01:25.240 --> 0:01:28.760 Yeah, yeah, nothing, nothing, nothing to calm your anxiety more 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.319 while you're on a boat than listening to a podcast 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:33.759 about a lady who is trapped on her boat. 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.119 A man, it's a I mean, it's a it's a big. 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:44.120 It's like a little floating city. It's and you know, 0:01:44.400 --> 0:01:47.960 the cabin is pretty cool and got a little balcony 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:52.200 here and staring directly into the sun right now. It's 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:55.920 it's it's it's pretty nice. Can't can't complain at all. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:57.080 Definitely wouldn't complain. 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.600 How big is the Virgin Cruise? Like, how many people 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.280 are on this boat? How big is this boat? 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.320 Oh? I could well, if I wasn't using the apps 0:02:08.360 --> 0:02:11.160 that I would need to use to check, I could 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.280 tell you exactly who and from where and all that 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.440 kind of stuff. But a couple of thousand, couple of 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.840 thousand sailors something like two thousand, four hundred Dish sailors, 0:02:21.880 --> 0:02:23.600 which is the sort of name of the customers, and 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:28.040 then there's I think one thousand two, one thousand three 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:32.400 hundred crew or something like that. Might might be a 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:33.200 little less, but. 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.400 There's a thousand crew hold on one hundred to one thousand. 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.840 That's a large range right there. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:47.600 Oh sorry, I misspoke this something something like god, I 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:50.760 think it's like eight hundred to want twelve hundred, you know, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.080 so like eight hundred to one thousand, two hundred crew 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.519 something like that, like don't quite. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:03:00.080 Men, eight hundred to twelve, eight hundred to twelve, one 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:03.120 hundred crew members. And that's so how many fucking people 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.600 must be on this boat for there to be that 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:05.280 many crew? 0:03:07.280 --> 0:03:10.320 Yeah, I mean, Heaps is like there's at least two 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:18.600 thousand sailors. And yeah, there's there's like fifteen levels to 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:24.480 the ship as far as I'm aware, there's a sort 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:29.200 of accommodation from level three to four and three, four 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:34.600 and five for crew and then eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:41.880 fourteen levels for sailors like cabins of varying sizes and 0:03:42.000 --> 0:03:45.960 all that kind of stuff. That's where I'm not like, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:49.120 I'm not simping for Virgin here like they you know, 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:51.080 obviously they pay me to be on board. It's a 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:53.720 great gig, but yeah, I'm not trying to be the 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.840 not trying to be the travel agent right now. 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:02.240 Yeah, listen, man, I'm just asking how big the boat is. 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.200 You don't have to give a coupon code or anything. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:16.000 Yeah, yeah, affiliate marketing. Well, the thousands feet long, that's crazy. 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:18.120 It's not the biggest ship in the ocean, but it's 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:21.640 of the of the I think the second biggest class. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.560 Isn't it crazy that they make that thing? How do 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.200 they make that thing float? Yeah? 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.880 It trips me out as well, Like the fact that 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.719 boats can be made of steel. They're like the heaviest 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:37.920 things ever, but they float. And then the fact that 0:04:37.960 --> 0:04:40.720 airplanes fly as well, like trips me out to the 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:41.240 same degree. 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.599 M Well, yeah, what do you think is more trippy 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.120 the fact that airplanes can fly or that you can 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:48.320 make a floating city. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:55.880 Definitely? Airplanes flying, definitely. Yeah, that it freaks me out. Also, 0:04:56.040 --> 0:05:01.320 how frustrated people get in the air, Like I feel 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:05.839 like I'm stealing from some comedian right now, but yeah, 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.920 I definitely am. Like I think it was, like, you know, 0:05:10.160 --> 0:05:12.320 why do people complain in airports like you should be 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:14.960 have have your arms up in the air the whole time, 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:18.280 saying like you're on a fucking you know, roller coaster 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:18.719 or something. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:21.719 I think I think that's that's either that's either Louis 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:22.839 or Dimitri Martin. 0:05:24.400 --> 0:05:27.520 There you go your wheelhouse, you know as the as 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:33.480 the comedy slash Therapy Get Go. But yeah, it's it's uh, 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:37.400 I mean take planes to be on the ship in 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:39.279 the first place, and I think that the planes triped 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:44.640 me out more. But yeah, like getting on with with 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:50.640 Virgin was my first first real like long format corporate gig. 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.520 And before that, I was like a gigging musician in Australia. 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:59.760 And before that I was traveling busking like street performing, 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:03.240 and this this beats the hell out of that. So 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:05.160 I'm I'm pretty stoked. 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.880 That's so cool. Man. What do you what do you do? 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.200 What do you play? 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:13.840 Oh yeah, I used my real name and everything. My 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.000 name is Jack Shepherd's. I won't go as far as 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.800 putting out my handle and all that stuff, but I 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:25.240 play acoustic and electric guitar and then beat box looping 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.360 and vocals. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.040 Like like what like what Mark Rebier does. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:38.920 Yeah, yeah, actually very very similar, just with with instruments 0:06:38.960 --> 0:06:43.280 and more like, uh man, he gets he gets those 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.680 loops going. So fast. I'm more of a like technician. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:49.960 I spend way too much time like focusing on the 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:54.520 quality of the sound rather than the performance. That's I mean, 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:57.159 this gig's kind of making me a better performer. But 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:02.480 now you know, they're just like yeah, beatbox living and 0:07:02.880 --> 0:07:05.840 vocals and vocal stacks and sort of remixing it live 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:12.160 exactly like Mark Rebbie reb Rebbie Rebbi, Rebelle rebe loop daddy. 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.440 So how long are you on this uh ship? 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:22.760 For another two days? So I've got my second show 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:27.360 of today in a few hours, and then my last 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.520 show tomorrow, and then I'm off. I'm going to go 0:07:30.600 --> 0:07:34.120 see my lady in Paris for a day and then 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:37.280 I'm back to Australia for three weeks and I'll be 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.800 back in uh yeah yeah, too much, too much travel 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:41.400 and jet lag? 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.960 You have you have a lady in Paris waiting for 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.440 her man out at sea. 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:54.080 Yeah, I mean that makes me sound more like a 0:07:54.120 --> 0:07:57.520 sailor who does something. But this this is like a 0:07:57.520 --> 0:07:58.080 floating show. 0:07:58.960 --> 0:08:02.280 Shut up, shut up, jack, Jack. You are literally a 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.440 sailor who does You are fucking sailor and you are 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:10.640 doing things, so you actually you actually totally are a 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:16.720 sailor doing something right now, you're sailing and making making loose? 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:19.440 What is the show? Are you like in a band 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:20.120 or is just you? 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:24.320 There are bands on board, so there's like a few 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:30.120 different formats, but I'm solo. So they've got these spots 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.760 where like instead of having a stage show, you know, 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:37.600 which you know, they do have stage shows on board, 0:08:38.000 --> 0:08:40.360 you know, full on like moving stages and aerial and 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.120 all sorts of crazy shit. But instead of having like 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.120 a walk by act, which is sort of like a 0:08:47.160 --> 0:08:50.000 street performance term, you know, where people would walk past 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.160 the musician and they're just playing tunes, or having a 0:08:53.200 --> 0:08:57.400 stage show, which is you know, stage show you have 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.320 you know, buskins are kind of like halfway between, Like 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.720 we're very used to setting up doing a show and 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.560 then getting out of there quickly, be it because the 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:09.600 next busker wants to get on the pitch, or because 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:13.200 there's a cop around or whatever. So it's kind of 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:17.600 like this perfect thing to drop in at points around 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.240 the ship, you know. So we've we've got like sound 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.160 texts to help us set up and everything they've got 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:27.680 you know, where we're plugged into the main system and yeah, 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.040 there's a, there's a bunch of us that sort of 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:34.240 got picked up from from busking spots around the world, 0:09:34.240 --> 0:09:36.480 and then a few like giggy musicians doing the same 0:09:36.559 --> 0:09:42.040 kind of thing, and yeah, there's a yeah, it's it's 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.319 it's just a solo show of like forty five minutes 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:50.000 to an hour, and yeah, it's pretty fun. It's really fun. 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.559 I might even I might live stream the one I 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:58.480 do later on today because that'll be after your after 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:03.080 your stream finishes, I guess. And then yeah, people can 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:04.400 check it out if they want. 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.240 Do you are you allowed to leave the ship or 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:11.160 do you have like an ankle monitor that ties you 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.160 onto the boats properly? 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:15.320 Yeah? 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:20.000 Yeah, they give us daily whippings to improve morale. No, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:22.560 it's it's pretty good. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:22.719 Man. 0:10:22.840 --> 0:10:25.720 Like the guest artists, So I'm one of the guest 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.120 artists on board. We don't come on for like a 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:32.040 week to four weeks, so I've just done four weeks. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.120 But yeah, we can get off in every every port 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:36.679 as long as we're not doing a show. You know, 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.120 all we have to do is be there on time 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.800 to play our shows, and other than that, we're we're 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:45.960 just like any other any other sailor on. 0:10:45.960 --> 0:10:49.079 The ship and do you are you getting along well 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:52.920 with the other performers or is there any drama? 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.120 Oh, there's always all sorts of all sorts of drama. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:11:00.720 But I definitely wouldn't. I wouldn't there publicly, even if 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:06.600 the overlap in your listener basis is probably quite low. 0:11:08.120 --> 0:11:10.640 I'd uh, just because it's a small group of people. 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:14.160 Can I well? Okay? But without without getting specific, without 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.600 getting specific, is it is? It is? The drama is 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:23.160 when when drama stirs up at sea? Is it about? 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.720 Is it like who's fucking who? Or is it like 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:30.400 you know, uh, oh, they're they're eating up too much 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.960 scenery on on when you guys are performing, Like what 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.640 is the drama typically about. 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.880 I haven't seen any real drama about like performance kind 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.439 of stuff, because everyone's I mean, they they hire pretty 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:51.040 good news those you know, uh, not to my own horn, 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:53.200 but yeah, I feel I feel like I'm in I'm 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:56.160 in a good company and everyone's pretty good. But yeah, 0:11:56.200 --> 0:12:00.280 the dramas all the normal sort of ship who's fucking who? 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:04.200 And so and so is you know said or did this? 0:12:04.440 --> 0:12:06.839 And it's just yeah, it's just all that kind of 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:14.040 stuff or occasionally this drama about you know, you know 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.400 such and such who we work for or who manages 0:12:18.440 --> 0:12:21.040 this group of people said, what, oh, I can't believe 0:12:21.120 --> 0:12:23.800 Oh my god, gotderneath such a betch Can you believe it? 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.199 You know, just just the same sort of stuff you 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.360 get in any in any sort of in any kind 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:36.840 of workplace. But yeah, it's you know, it's it's kind 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.680 of like, yeah, you make your own time. You know, 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:40.839 you could spend your entire. 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:43.880 Sorry, go ahead, when are you finished? 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:48.600 Oh, you can spend your entire contract, you know, just 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.240 doing your shows, going to your room and eating and 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.199 getting off the ship. Or you could be social the 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.600 whole time and you be drunk every night if you can, 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:59.240 if your body can stand up to it. And it's 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:00.880 kind of a use your own adventure. 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:03.080 So that that leads me to what I was going 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.400 to ask you. That leads me into what I was 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:08.800 going to ask you. Are you living the rock star 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:11.760 lifestyle on this ship? Because I have to Are you 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:16.200 like you're like ship famous, you're the most prominent. It's 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.360 like a little city, and at that time, you're like 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:24.360 one of the most prominent musicians. Uh, just even by 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.000 not you know, I'm sure you're great. But even just 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.960 by being one of the only ones there, you know, 0:13:30.600 --> 0:13:31.480 you're like your. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:35.040 Ship definitely not definitely not famous off the ship, but yeah, 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:37.160 I do. I do forget that. There's like a program 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:39.480 and there's like touch screens around the ship where people 0:13:39.520 --> 0:13:41.480 can scroll through and see what's going on. So people 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:43.319 will be like Jack could to see it, and I'll 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:45.120 be like, you know, in my head, like who the 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:48.120 fuck are you? Oh yeah, I'm doing this gig. You know, 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:50.800 you forget that you're kind of kind of representing the 0:13:50.800 --> 0:13:54.720 company anytime you're outside to Kevin So. But yeah, people 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.840 are nice, man. I mean they're all they're all on holiday, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.480 like you know, they're all they're all having a time. 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:05.400 You know, some people have this is just like how 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.439 they live. Some people have done like sixty and seventy 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:11.080 cruisers before. Some people have done hundreds. Some people have 0:14:11.160 --> 0:14:14.080 saved up all year to you know, get on the 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:17.520 ship with the the partner or whatever. There's no kids 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:21.200 on Virgin, so you know, it's not like there's a yes, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.240 it's like I don't know if it's eighteen and up 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.520 or twenty one and up because it's technically an American company. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:30.720 But yeah, it's it's it's pretty it's pretty cool, man, 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:32.640 Like you get to feel like a rock star. The 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:34.840 actual rock stars is like there's a class of sailor 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:39.360 who pay for like the best cabins that they're called 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:44.360 rock stars on Virgin But yeah, man, they treat us 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:44.840 pretty good. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.200 You know, you said you said it was to choose 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.320 your own adventures. So I ask you, you know, what 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:57.800 adventure have you chosen? Are you? Are you partying every night? 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:01.000 Are you kind of keeping to yourself? Like what's been 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:02.800 your vibe on the strip so far. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:08.400 This one? I've been kind of keeping to myself. Like 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.920 got kind of sick over the last week, so I 0:15:11.960 --> 0:15:13.920 don't want to be like, you know, coughing and spluttering 0:15:13.960 --> 0:15:17.560 around sailors and that. But I've just tried to get 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.200 off the ship in places where there's something to do. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:24.120 Like Santorini's one of my favorites, because there's this massive hill, 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.240 like you can walk down the down the steps from 0:15:27.240 --> 0:15:29.840 the top and it takes like twenty minutes of just 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.520 you know, going downhill, and you would think that that 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.840 would be that would be fine, but it's like it's 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:39.320 proper workout, you know, So whoever has the show. After 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:41.880 we've been in Santorini all day, it's like, you know, 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.760 just playing real down tempo tunes. Everyone's like a bit 0:15:45.840 --> 0:15:52.160 heat stroke and hit stricken and relaxed and that. But yeah, 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.640 I've done I've done the Bahamas on an earlier contract, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.240 and I'm doing that again in August on this other ship, 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:04.280 Valiant Lady. And that's that's probably my favorite route, just 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:07.880 because there's this one dog at the beach there that 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:11.480 like came and made me and my girlfriend like it's 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:14.680 it's kind of owners for the day and. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:21.560 You you you gotta you adopted a dog for the 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:22.720 day from the streets. 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.760 Oh sort of. But I found out that that she's 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:28.960 she's not just my dog, because I've spoken to some 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:32.080 other sailors who have done the same route and they're like, oh, 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.520 that's that that blonde kind of staffy Staffagetaria type type 0:16:36.520 --> 0:16:39.600 dog at Radio Beach in the Bahamas and they're like, oh, yeah, yeah, 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.760 she's real friendly. I'm like, oh, I thought it was 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:42.080 just me. 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.840 What a slutty dog in the Bahamas. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:52.600 Yeah, yeah, slutty bitch, which is a phrase any time 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:53.760 would ever use that phrase. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:56.440 Where in Australia. 0:16:56.440 --> 0:17:02.040 Are you from Sydney when you visited? I was. I 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.240 wasn't in Sydney, otherwise I would have been at the show. 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:05.080 Yeah. 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:10.560 I like Sydney, so it's a good town. Why I sold? Okay, 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.320 So you live in Sydney, you're in Greece. Your girlfriend's 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.520 in Paris. Are you Are you and your girlfriend like 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:20.040 both traveling wonder people? Or do you guy? Are you guys? 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.760 Do you guys live some form of domestic life somewhere? 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:28.840 Yeah? She did. She's traveled a bit in her life, 0:17:29.080 --> 0:17:31.920 but doesn't travel as much. Actually met her in Australia 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:34.640 at the end of twenty twenty three, just before I 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:40.280 did my first cruise ship contract, and I didn't know 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.240 I was in four you know, So it's you know, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.520 there is a there is an adult vibe on the 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:48.400 ships and especially within the first contract there were some 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.080 crazy bands on who could you know, drink a fish 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:55.760 under the table. So I didn't, you know, I kind 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:57.680 of thought like, this is the lifestyle, Like I don't 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:00.440 know how I'm going to survive this in a freshly 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.280 you know, very very close relationship. But to answer a question, 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.440 she lives in Paris. She's a personal trainer and helps 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.520 with like flexibility and mobility, especially for all the folks 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.240 and you know people who could use it, which is everyone. 0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:19.960 Just by the way, like two, all the men out 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.520 there where like much more likely to get her nars 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.960 and like damage around our hips and shit. If you 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.440 just spend like two minutes in the morning like stretching 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:31.720 that shit, you can avoid it. And it sucks. It 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.600 sucks when you get that surgery. So like stretch your 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:40.320 hip flexes. Anyway, how old are you, Jack, I'm thirty two. 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:44.639 Is your body starting? Are you starting to feel like 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:47.439 your body decay or because you're still young? Yeah at 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:48.160 thirty two, I. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:51.440 Think, Yeah, I think I'm still young at thirty two, 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:54.800 but I'm definitely feeling it already, like my neck, my back, 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.840 My neck and my back, you know, like they're just 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:02.720 fucking hurt all the time. Like I think that's from 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:04.920 being a musician as well though, and like I'm a 0:19:05.040 --> 0:19:08.439 very I'm a very nerdy musician, like a you know, 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:14.040 build my guitars and spend or have spent a decent 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:18.960 amount of time hunched over a laptop. So you know, 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:23.920 just like Bad Bad had its with posture and looking 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:27.120 after themselves. But there's all the facilities you could ever 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:29.879 want for forgetting yourself well on the ship. You know, 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:32.360 you've got You've got you know, full gyms and all that, 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.560 even a boxing ring, like all sorts of like a 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:39.159 running track around the top. But there's also you know, 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:41.720 a bar open pretty much every hour of the day. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.080 So it's a you know, choose your own adventure in 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:45.280 that in that sense as well. 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:48.199 Man, I'm dumb as hell is. I was imagining like 0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:50.840 a weight rack that had like a like if I 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.040 was on the ship and I saw like the weight rack, 0:19:53.760 --> 0:19:55.720 you know, and I had like like the one hundred 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.960 pounds weight on it or whatever, I'd be like, yeah, 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.920 it's crazy. They can put all this on the boat 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:03.040 and it's still letting sink. 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.600 Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's still It still trips me out, 0:20:09.000 --> 0:20:11.320 especially when you see the front I've forgotten the name 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:15.639 of it, but that the big round thing, you know, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.359 the long deck of the boat. You know, it's the 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:20.720 or the ship, you know, it's the ballast or the 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:26.200 you know, the sort of round you know, phallic looking 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:28.520 thing right at the front bottom of the ship like 0:20:28.600 --> 0:20:31.360 cuts through the water, and it's just like just big 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.480 solid piece of steel and just it's do you ever 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:40.720 actually the rehearsal space. Yeah, on that delay, there's a 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.560 rehearsal space at the at the front of the ship, 0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:46.000 which is like where the crew one of the places 0:20:46.000 --> 0:20:47.560 of the crew can have parties and like where the 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.879 musicians can rehearse, and it's like right up in the 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:54.600 like you know, on the other side of the insulation, 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:57.480 you can you can just see the shape of the 0:20:57.560 --> 0:20:59.480 right at the front of the ship. So it's like 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.320 depending on what day you're in there, where at sea 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.080 or in port, it can be too rocky to rehearse 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:06.600 and you just go like, oh, I'm gonna be sick. 0:21:06.600 --> 0:21:08.840 I'll go back to my cabin instead of practicing. 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:12.120 Do you miss the busking lifestyle? 0:21:14.400 --> 0:21:14.840 Ah? 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:19.679 Sometimes, because it's like it's a full on the open world, 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.879 choose your own adventure, and this is more of a 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.439 sandbox choose your own adventure. But yeah, there are a 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.439 lot of things about busking I don't missed because it's 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.400 like it's one of the most beautiful things I've ever done, 0:21:32.520 --> 0:21:35.920 but it's also led to some of the most horrible 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:42.360 and grotesque you know, like a really really high wavelengths, 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:48.000 you know, massive highs, very very low lowers. So yeah, 0:21:48.119 --> 0:21:51.520 it's it's like and also playing for your playing for 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.840 your your money, like you know, I need I need 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:56.840 this money or I'm not going to you know, have 0:21:56.920 --> 0:22:01.240 a place to sleep is not not sustainable, and it 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:06.040 also leads to some very flunky kind of neuroses, both 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:08.840 personally and like in groups of people, Like there becomes 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:12.040 this kind of I'm going to be the best busker 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:18.480 kind of thing, and I'm struggling for a better analogy 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.639 than something which is kind of ableist. But it's like 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.320 that joke I heard in high school of like, you know, 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.639 being the fastest runner at the Special Olympics. You know, 0:22:26.680 --> 0:22:29.800 it's like to totally avoid the ableism of that, but 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.120 like you know, it's kind of like you just it's 0:22:33.800 --> 0:22:34.160 it's like. 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.200 It's yeah, yeah, it's like it's like it's like it's 0:22:37.200 --> 0:22:39.879 like we're listen, we're playing on the streets, you know, 0:22:40.040 --> 0:22:42.080 like you can be the best, yeah, and we're still 0:22:42.119 --> 0:22:43.119 on the streets. Yeah. 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.440 Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I just struggled for a better analogy there. 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:50.120 You said, Well, so I want to I'm curious about 0:22:50.119 --> 0:22:57.639 this because you said you said that through busting, and 0:22:57.680 --> 0:23:00.120 I can imagine it has high highs where you're like 0:23:00.119 --> 0:23:03.119 like ooh, I'm like, I'm like the fucking Beatles playing 0:23:03.200 --> 0:23:06.800 in that park, you know. I'm like, like, there's like busking, 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.480 it's a very romantic activity, you know. I'm sure there's 0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:13.720 high highs. And then but also you're exposed to just 0:23:14.160 --> 0:23:17.479 the general public. And when you're exposed to the general public, 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.600 there's there's a lots of wild cards. I'm curious, if 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:25.040 you're willing to share, do you have any specific If 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:27.960 you're willing to share, do you have any specific do 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:31.280 you have like a specific high moment that you can 0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:35.199 remember and then also a specific low moment that you 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:37.400 can remember that you you'd be down to share. 0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:43.760 Ah, yeah, yeah, I've got I've got a couple. So 0:23:44.080 --> 0:23:49.120 high moments is like, man from I remember one year 0:23:49.160 --> 0:23:54.480 I was in Switzerland Montro Jazz Festival and just busking 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.480 by the lake there, and it's like they have a 0:23:56.560 --> 0:24:00.919 coin in in Switzerland, the five franc coin, right, and 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.240 it's I don't know, it's about the size of a 0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:08.240 gatorade leg or something. And there's nothing sweeter than the 0:24:08.280 --> 0:24:11.200 sound of that coin being clicked in to your guitar case, 0:24:11.240 --> 0:24:13.680 because it's worth like at the time it was worth 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:17.840 like eight Australian dollars, it's probably it's probably worth about 0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:21.800 five American actually don't know the conversion, but you know 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.040 you'd be busting right by the lake there. The lake 0:24:24.160 --> 0:24:28.119 is just you know, lukewarm, perfect for swimming, and you 0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.560 could literally leave your stuff with some shop owner in 0:24:31.640 --> 0:24:35.840 the markets there, you know, players that make a bunch 0:24:35.840 --> 0:24:39.240 of money, jump in the lake, go get some wonderful food. 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:44.240 Watch another busker. You know, people are from all over 0:24:44.240 --> 0:24:46.359 the world selling all sorts of really cool stuff that 0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.919 you know, actual market prices instead of like you know, 0:24:50.040 --> 0:24:53.800 hips to market proces. And there's just all this you know, 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.000 awesome festival atmosphere. You know, you look across the lake 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.000 and you're seeing the snow covered Alps in another country, 0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:02.600 but it's like a t shirt weather down on the ground, 0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:06.240 and you know, there's like tug Burt's going past, and 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:09.639 they're like jets flying over and you know, so you 0:25:09.680 --> 0:25:12.080 get these wonderful, wonderful experiences like that, and you can 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:16.240 you can turn and you know, a decently busy street 0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:21.080 into you know, one hundred two hundred people all gathered 0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.959 around watching something who would never otherwise like group together. 0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:28.760 And that's like the beautiful thing about busking. You know, 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.000 you'll get just groups of people together kind of being 0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:35.840 present in a way that you kind of never would 0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:40.639 see otherwise. And also like that they they want to 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:42.520 be there because you know, if they want to leave, 0:25:42.560 --> 0:25:44.720 they'll just live like there's nothing keeping them there. There's 0:25:44.720 --> 0:25:48.159 no ticket, there's no expectation. So that's the kind of 0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.199 beautiful part of it. And then the ugly pasts are like, 0:25:51.840 --> 0:25:56.760 I've got I've got mates or acquaintances who have you know, 0:25:57.040 --> 0:25:59.600 I've been assaulted a bunch, you know, on the street 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:04.800 and you know, both on a while performing while not 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:10.520 performing in France. Once I had my guitar stolen in Marseilles, 0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:12.840 actually got it back immediately. 0:26:12.560 --> 0:26:12.639 But. 0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:17.920 Uh yeah, I've had people steal money out of my 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:19.840 case in front of me and flip me the bird 0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:21.800 as they walk away, thinking that I'm not going to 0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:28.680 chase after them. I've had just all sorts of fucking 0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:33.920 rudeness and horrific ship I've got. I've got mates and 0:26:33.920 --> 0:26:38.280 acquaintances who have one fellow I'll leave his name out 0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.880 of it, but you know, some some men of the 0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:46.000 streets in Ireland, shall we say, stole his amplifier, you know, 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.480 couldn't have been worth more than one hundred crewds or something. 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:52.000 And he later later on that evening, saw them, went 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:53.640 to confront them and they took his eye out. 0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:54.480 You know. 0:26:57.520 --> 0:27:01.000 Yeah, it's it's it's real. Highers and love this kind 0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:03.720 of thing. And I think there's a generation coming along 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:08.040 now who you know, see it on like TikTok or 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:11.160 YouTube or whatever and social media and go like this 0:27:11.200 --> 0:27:15.720 is the this is the way forward. And I always 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.280 want to say, like you're asking a sick, sick way 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:20.920 to like trim the fat off your performance and make 0:27:21.000 --> 0:27:23.600 you into a better performer. But it's also like a 0:27:24.680 --> 0:27:28.320 word of warning. So I tend to tell people that 0:27:28.520 --> 0:27:32.280 exactly of just like do it, but for the right 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:34.720 reasons and remember to get out of it, because there 0:27:34.720 --> 0:27:37.080 are people in their fifties and sixties who are still 0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:38.760 trying to be the best buster in the pitch. 0:27:38.920 --> 0:27:44.960 And it's like, so what ends you know, hmm, you know, 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.680 I saw I had this thought. I don't know why 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:52.439 I'm turning it back to me, but my dad is like, 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:57.520 my dad is in is like, fuck, holds my dad. 0:27:57.520 --> 0:28:00.640 He's like mid sixties, early sixties like that, but he's 0:28:00.680 --> 0:28:03.080 he's his sixties, an older guy, and he's like he's 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:07.240 now he's just now learning how to play guitar, like 0:28:07.280 --> 0:28:09.080 he's been learning how to play guitar for the past 0:28:09.200 --> 0:28:11.240 like year or two. I think it's it's really cool. 0:28:11.280 --> 0:28:13.560 I love it that he's like, you know, in the sixties, 0:28:13.600 --> 0:28:17.959 but still learn how to do that shit. And anyway, 0:28:18.040 --> 0:28:22.240 I was, I was at Union Square Park, one of 0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:24.919 the New York parks, and I saw this like older 0:28:24.960 --> 0:28:32.800 guy just like playing the the bagpipes or the saxophone. 0:28:32.920 --> 0:28:35.159 I forget what instrument he's playing. Let's say it was 0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:39.880 the bagpipes. And he's playing the bagpipes and he's just 0:28:39.960 --> 0:28:42.400 kind of and then and people are walking by and 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.400 they're smiling, and uh, you know everything you were saying 0:28:45.440 --> 0:28:48.440 the beautiful thing, Like it's so cool to have like 0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:52.560 like a free thing happening in a public place where 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.400 folks just are living their life and they walk by 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.640 and they smile and it's cool. And I was, I 0:28:57.640 --> 0:28:59.200 was watching this guy, and I was like thinking about 0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.400 my dad, and I was like like, you know, and 0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.120 I was At the time, I was also kind of 0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:06.000 thinking about like, what the fuck is my what's my 0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:08.920 life going to be like when I'm that age, And 0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.720 I was like, maybe I'll maybe I'll learn the bagpipes 0:29:12.800 --> 0:29:15.760 when I'm sixty and I'll just be like this guy 0:29:15.840 --> 0:29:19.120 at the park and I'll just do that and that's that. 0:29:19.240 --> 0:29:22.000 That didn't say, I guess the fantasy of that in 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:23.920 my head. I was like, that didn't sound too bad 0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:27.640 being being this guy at the park whatever. I mean, 0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:29.880 if that guy was saying, if that guy turned to 0:29:29.920 --> 0:29:31.880 me and he was like that was that was pretty good? Right, 0:29:31.880 --> 0:29:34.239 I'm gonna be playing fucking Madison Square Garden when I'm 0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:36.960 in my nineties. I'd be like, I don't know about that. 0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.680 But if you're like, just be being in that moment 0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.040 is pretty cool, you know. It's a it's a nice 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:47.800 service to provide for society, to just play music out 0:29:47.840 --> 0:29:48.840 in public. It's cool. 0:29:50.880 --> 0:29:54.880 And just like maybe my I kind of got out 0:29:54.880 --> 0:30:00.600 of busking after some some very negative experiences that were uh, 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:06.000 well it's traumatic, and so I kind of made a 0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.600 hard exit and it's probably like biased to me away 0:30:09.600 --> 0:30:11.600 from it, you know. So it's like I immediately start talking 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.480 about the good of it and then just go, oh, yeah, 0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.000 but the bad of it as well. But yeah, that 0:30:17.000 --> 0:30:18.760 that thing. I mean, I still love it, and I 0:30:18.800 --> 0:30:22.560 still do it sometimes not so much for money, and 0:30:22.640 --> 0:30:24.760 I'm very lucky to have this gig, you know. It's 0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.080 it's the more than I ever dreamed I would have 0:30:28.200 --> 0:30:32.200 kind of thing. But yeah, the beauty of going and 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.880 playing for people in the street and those moments that 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:38.960 you do get, especially for younger musicians. I still I 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.400 still encourage anyone, you know, if you can get out 0:30:41.400 --> 0:30:44.040 to a street where there's a bunch of people around 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:48.040 and you feel like it's safe to do so, I'd 0:30:48.080 --> 0:30:50.200 seriously recommend it. It's just a beautiful thing, you know, 0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:54.240 when people are all just gathered being present. 0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:59.000 You know, are a lot of were there any turf wars? 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:03.040 Like did you ever have someone here's my spot? Yeah? 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.720 Yeah, yeah, that's most of what you deal with when 0:31:05.760 --> 0:31:09.200 you I call it professional busting. It might sound weird 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:12.440 to some people, but yeah, I was a professional usker, 0:31:14.440 --> 0:31:16.680 and yeah, that's most of what you deal with. So 0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.120 you have queue systems, which is where first in best 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.880 dressed you you get there first, and you either choose 0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:24.800 your spot, or you get the next spot in line 0:31:24.840 --> 0:31:27.640 that's available at the end of the queue, or you 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.080 have draw systems, which is like everyone rocks up at 0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.680 a given time and draw straws or sticks with numbers 0:31:32.680 --> 0:31:33.320 on them or something. 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.400 And this is all very This is like informal. Right, 0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:40.720 so you could you could shiny eyed walk off, walk 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:43.080 up to Hyde Park and be like, I'm going to 0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:46.320 play the saxophone right here. It's a public park, and 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.640 then all of a sudden, a bunch of clowns and 0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:52.080 jugglers and the guitarists are like, hey, hey, we have 0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:58.640 rules here, buddy. 0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:58.520 Hey, buddy, this is a group of people who are 0:31:58.560 --> 0:32:00.840 extremely likely to be sort of like a little bit 0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.800 you know, anti government, if not anarchist. But there are 0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:05.720 some fucking rules here. 0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.640 But right, that's that's the funny thing. Due, that's the 0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:10.560 funny thing is like, yeah, it is kind of like 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:15.960 a like a hippie like anti it is kind of 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.680 like an anarchist thing to just be like I'm gonna 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:21.040 just go to this public place and start a concert 0:32:21.480 --> 0:32:24.959 and then slowly you start a little government around it. 0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:28.280 I mean, yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's 0:32:28.320 --> 0:32:33.280 it's a funny thing, you know, or it's the phrase power 0:32:33.280 --> 0:32:35.720 of boards a vacuum. So if there's no if there's 0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.080 no sort of hierarchy systems, and people just going to 0:32:38.200 --> 0:32:42.320 naturally make one. I found that to be true all 0:32:42.360 --> 0:32:45.440 over the world, like everywhere a bust at least. You know, 0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.080 I haven't been all over the world, but I've been 0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:51.400 to a few few different countries. And yeah, it's like 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:56.120 you'll you'll have. It's something like ninety seven male, so 0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.520 you'll have and we need more one in dusk. And 0:32:59.560 --> 0:33:03.320 you know, so like any any creative women of any kind, 0:33:04.080 --> 0:33:08.000 you know, to encourage you and find your local find 0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:12.840 your local community of buskers and get amongst it and uh, 0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:16.600 you know, put put the dick swinging, ego centric fuckers 0:33:16.600 --> 0:33:17.080 in their place. 0:33:17.880 --> 0:33:22.840 Yeah, swing, swing some fucking labor around, dude. We need uh, 0:33:22.880 --> 0:33:25.400 we need, we need, we need all kinds of people 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:29.040 swing and all kinds of stuff all over all over 0:33:29.080 --> 0:33:32.680 the world. Well tell me this, tell me this, uh, 0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.040 of all the places you've been, what's the best place 0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:37.520 to busk? Like give me, like give me like a 0:33:37.560 --> 0:33:40.160 place in a city, in a country or whatever. And 0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:46.480 then the worst, Oh, by the way. Also, while you 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.080 think about that, I also just thought, I don't We're 0:33:49.200 --> 0:33:51.920 too late in this conversation for me to say this. 0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:56.360 But in case if anyone doesn't know, busking means to 0:33:56.480 --> 0:33:58.160 like play music in public. 0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:01.760 Yeah, too late, It is. 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.080 Late for me to say that. But I've used the 0:34:04.080 --> 0:34:06.040 word busking in front of people for and they I 0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.520 don't know if a lot of people knows what that means. 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:09.520 But anyway, sorry, go ahead. 0:34:11.719 --> 0:34:14.080 Actually that reminded me of something else. If anyone's looking 0:34:14.120 --> 0:34:17.120 to get into busking and you're wondering, like people don't 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:19.520 have cash, how am I going to collect tips? There's 0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:23.600 a site called busk dot co b u s k 0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:26.759 dot co h and they let you hook up I 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:30.480 think it's I think it's striped and PayPal to a 0:34:30.600 --> 0:34:33.200 QR code that they'll also you know, do their design 0:34:33.280 --> 0:34:37.120 for you and for phenomenal fee, like printed out on 0:34:37.200 --> 0:34:38.680 phone board and send it to you so you have 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.239 signed it. So people can then scan a QR code 0:34:41.280 --> 0:34:44.040 and tip you with like Apple paye and all that 0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:44.680 kind of stuff. 0:34:44.880 --> 0:34:47.680 But you just used venmo. You just write your Venmo 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.880 down on a piece of paper. Sorry, no, use your website, 0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:52.040 never mind, never mind. 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:56.040 Sorry, no, true, true, you guys have Venmo and cash 0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:59.120 up in the US. Yeah, forget I've I've never busted 0:34:59.160 --> 0:35:00.040 in the US. 0:35:00.160 --> 0:35:01.000 Right right, I forgot it. 0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:06.000 I tried, But yeah, I tried to play in Las Vegas, 0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:09.240 which is the first place I went in the States once, 0:35:09.440 --> 0:35:11.040 and it was like the first or second time I 0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.000 went out in the street. You know, a private security 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:14.560 guard pulled a pistol on me, and I was like, 0:35:14.560 --> 0:35:16.520 oh shit, I'm definitely in America. 0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.600 God, yeah he pulled he pulled a pistol on you. 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.200 Yeah, it's like, you know, one of these private security 0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:29.960 dudes for the for the casino there. I wouldn't say it 0:35:30.040 --> 0:35:32.319 was casino, but like it didn't point it at me, 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:34.480 but pointed at you know, forty five degrees to the ground, 0:35:34.560 --> 0:35:36.440 like I'm fucking serious, you have to move. And I 0:35:36.480 --> 0:35:39.200 was like, yeers, fuck, Like I'm in Australia. You can 0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:40.880 argue with a cop and they probably don't even have 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:46.040 a gun, at least in my experience. So yeah, it 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:54.120 was it was a bit of a culture shock, but yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:35:54.480 --> 0:35:57.640 so it could be kind of crazy. So maybe Vegas 0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:59.320 maybe not the best place to busk. 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:01.320 Or that's a good answer. 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:05.320 I do have a great night who makes his living 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.160 for the most part dusking there, And it kind of 0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.120 depends on the act. And it's also like I'm not 0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.400 an American, so I don't know that it's subtle culture 0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.440 and how to how to hook people and how to 0:36:16.120 --> 0:36:18.120 how to work on the street there and hustle. Right, Yeah, 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:20.400 that's a whole that's a whole other beast I haven't conquered. 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.480 I'll say this about Vegas is one time I was 0:36:25.560 --> 0:36:29.719 walking down the uh. I was dressed up as the 0:36:29.760 --> 0:36:33.520 Gecko and I was walking down the strip and this 0:36:33.719 --> 0:36:36.120 like twelve year old came up to me and he 0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.400 was like, hey, man, I listened to your podcast. And 0:36:38.440 --> 0:36:40.480 I was like, do you two fucking young listen to 0:36:40.520 --> 0:36:43.439 my podcast? But whatever I took, I took. I took 0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:46.360 a picture with him, and then and then his mom 0:36:46.600 --> 0:36:49.279 runs up after him after, like his mom runs up 0:36:49.320 --> 0:36:51.799 to me after he leaves, and he's like, hey, thank you, 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:55.719 and she tries to give me five dollars. So that's 0:36:55.760 --> 0:36:57.760 the That's the best place I've ever busked. 0:37:00.320 --> 0:37:02.880 Yeah, dude, you could fully you could fully take tips 0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:05.120 and like you know those videos that go around of 0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:08.120 like I'm a lawyer, but I'm not your lawyer, and 0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:10.840 they give like advice on the street you could totally 0:37:10.920 --> 0:37:12.240 put up like a tip bucket. 0:37:12.480 --> 0:37:15.760 And wait, is that are there actually like busking lawyers. 0:37:17.440 --> 0:37:19.880 I've seen I've seen on Instagram, so it's probably just 0:37:19.920 --> 0:37:24.479 my algorithm. But and I say those, I've seen one 0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:28.279 dude multiple times, so maybe it's just his sticks. But uh, 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:31.040 like like. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:33.600 The Charlie Brown thing, except with lawyer, except with yeah, 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:36.840 law advice. Man, that's fucking crazy that somebody pulled a 0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:41.000 gun on you for fucking just busking. That sucks. 0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:43.640 Oh dude, that's not even the that's not even the 0:37:43.640 --> 0:37:48.799 craziest time with with with guns. Mexico was fucking nuts 0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:51.080 and had nothing to do with busking. I'll tell you 0:37:51.080 --> 0:37:52.120 the story if you want to hear it. But I 0:37:52.120 --> 0:37:55.040 haven't answered your question. I'm notoriously bad at answering. 0:37:55.080 --> 0:37:57.640 Okay, hold on, I'm putting I'm putting a pin in Mexico. 0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.640 I'm and ask you about that afterwards. But yes, give me. 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:00.240 The best. 0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:07.279 Best place is, hands down, Edinburgh Scotland Fringe Festival, which 0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:11.799 is the month of August. If people are looking for 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.640 something to go and like go and do and they're 0:38:14.680 --> 0:38:18.839 like the arts and ship. Then Edinburgh Fringe, like it's 0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:20.719 a life changing thing. I went for the first time 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:24.080 in twenty fifteen and became one of the regular crowd. 0:38:24.239 --> 0:38:26.759 In just on one pitch there where a lot of 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.400 maybe high impact musicians play, so basically musicians who have 0:38:31.520 --> 0:38:36.000 big speakers. And then there are I think it's like 0:38:36.080 --> 0:38:39.759 two hundred buskers of all different you know of sort 0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:43.400 of the what i'd call the og disciplines. You know, 0:38:43.680 --> 0:38:47.719 circle shows where it's like you know, comedy and juggling 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.640 or something dangerous or you know, there's even due two 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:56.399 set up tight ropes. There's a chip called Kate Mill, 0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.919 a shout out who does like a Marionntoinette like full 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:08.239 on you know, mind act people, people on ten foot unicycles, 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.879 giraffe unicycles. And then I've seen some of the most 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:15.040 incredible stuff on the street there. I've seen you know, 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:19.160 the entire Royal Mile blocked off and a guy you know, 0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:22.440 climbing up a drain pipe and into an apartment, you know, 0:39:22.600 --> 0:39:26.439 with a thousands of people blocking off the street watching him. 0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:30.640 And like just these these master entertainers who have been 0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:33.319 doing it for you know, a couple of decades who 0:39:33.440 --> 0:39:36.720 just really know how to make a show from nothing, 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:38.759 you know, and they'll you know, some duds have a 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.440 big a big box of kit and unicycle and all 0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:45.160 sorts of stuff. Some dudes have you know, a micro headset, 0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:49.120 microphone and a deca cards and can can do a 0:39:49.200 --> 0:39:52.360 massive shows. Like you see, all sorts of incredible stuff. 0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:55.279 And that's just the street. Like you've got you've got 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:59.080 stage shows, like all these big artists who you wouldn't 0:39:59.080 --> 0:40:01.359 expect to see in a small club or whatever. We'll 0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:07.960 be trying out new stuff. You've got comedy, theater, music, poetry, 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.839 street and historical pause. It's like it's a it's a 0:40:11.880 --> 0:40:12.560 magic place. 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:16.080 So I have to ask, I do have to ask. 0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:18.719 It's interesting you say it's the best one. Is it 0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:24.320 not a little tricky to be busking during Edinburgh because 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.239 there's so much competition around you. 0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.960 There is competition, and there is a whole thing with 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:34.200 a draw, and there is you know, drama all month 0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:38.239 long and all that kind of stuff. I mean, if 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:40.200 it's if it's the first time, if you if you're 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:41.880 like you've never busked and you're going to be like, 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.759 as it's my first time, I want to go and 0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:48.080 go and do this big festival. It might be a 0:40:48.080 --> 0:40:50.640 bit a bit like no, it's just kind of water 0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:52.680 up to your up to your chest instead of you know, 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:57.960 up to your ankles. But you know, it's it's just incredible, 0:40:58.000 --> 0:41:01.800 Like I'd recommend anyone to go. And it's different formats, 0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:05.000 so different sort of levels of performer will be given 0:41:05.080 --> 0:41:09.560 different spots in different places. They have storage for a 0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:13.680 really really reasonable fee that you can use all month long. 0:41:13.800 --> 0:41:16.360 If you've got a lot of equipment, they've got security 0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:18.960 to look after it, like they've got an ID system. 0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:21.080 Like it's it's the only place in the world where 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:24.400 you'll go and be treated really really well as a busker. 0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:26.640 You know, if you don't have a visa for the UK, 0:41:27.120 --> 0:41:29.280 they will give you a letter that grants you access 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:33.360 to the festival to visa free. So it's like the 0:41:33.400 --> 0:41:35.840 other busk is gonna hate me for advertising the festival 0:41:35.880 --> 0:41:37.000 because you know there's a lot of that. 0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:40.280 I mean, I mean in the newcomers, it's the fucking 0:41:40.440 --> 0:41:42.520 it's like one of the biggest friends. It's it's i 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:47.439 think the biggest fringe festival in the world. So it's 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:49.560 I don't think you're I don't think it's exactly uh 0:41:49.920 --> 0:41:50.879 gate capt. 0:41:52.840 --> 0:41:56.960 Yeah now Jack, I mean yeah the worst place. 0:41:57.800 --> 0:41:59.720 No, no, no, I was gonna ask you that. Oh yeah, 0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:04.960 uh I like I like this sentence. What went down 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:06.160 in Mexico? Jack? 0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.239 So I got run into motorcycles in twenty twenty three 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:18.040 with my buddy. Shout out to David Morin music. He 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:22.160 is an unbelievable musician. But we were ripping through the 0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:27.080 through the desert outside of s j D on the 0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:30.319 West Peninsula there in Mexico on these little, these little 0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.719 motorbikes that you were you really couldn't register in the 0:42:33.840 --> 0:42:37.279 US or Australia. They were They're real rickety pieces of shit. 0:42:39.239 --> 0:42:42.560 But we're going to this oasis for the day. It's 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:45.920 like apparently there's this this oasis out there where it's 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:48.080 like rock pools and swimming in the middle of this desert. 0:42:49.239 --> 0:42:52.080 So we're ripping and we come around a corner, you know, 0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.839 through mountains and deserts and all that, and there's all 0:42:55.840 --> 0:42:57.839 of a sudden an oasis town. So we know where 0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:00.760 and we're in the right spot, you know, lush, green 0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:03.719 as fuck something out of a movie, and you know, 0:43:03.760 --> 0:43:07.360 we're in Mexico. You can get green smokable stuff pretty easily. 0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:09.359 So we ride to the top of our hill. It's 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:11.600 like a little outlook out post kind of thing that 0:43:11.640 --> 0:43:15.400 looks down over the town and we stop, get off 0:43:15.440 --> 0:43:18.120 our bikes. We're dressed in all black, you know, so 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.040 no one could really see, you know, who or what 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:25.680 we are. And we start rolling a jay and these 0:43:26.680 --> 0:43:28.960 we see these like utes we call them in Australia, 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:31.600 so you'd call them like a like a truck, you know, 0:43:31.680 --> 0:43:37.000 with the bench seats in the back, and military police 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.879 you know, sitting in the back, you know, decked head 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:42.920 to toe in gear and you know, guns and all 0:43:42.920 --> 0:43:48.680 that for anyone who's wondering. Like in Australia, we don't 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.040 have a lot of guns, so I don't know my 0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:54.400 way around them. So sorry, I can't describe this that accurately. 0:43:54.920 --> 0:43:57.760 But we see them from up on this little outpost 0:43:57.800 --> 0:44:00.160 and we think, oh, they're not coming up here for us, 0:44:00.480 --> 0:44:04.239 and before we have any idea what's going on, they're 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:06.600 pulling up on us. So it's like five or six 0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:09.840 dudes get out and you know, they're decked out like 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:12.160 you know, full on military, and they've got clips on 0:44:12.200 --> 0:44:16.120 the chest and like semi automatic canons. Put the hands 0:44:16.120 --> 0:44:19.759 on them. And my buddy Dave, he speaks a lot 0:44:19.760 --> 0:44:21.560 more Spanish than I do at this point. I've only 0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:24.880 been there a month or so, but we you know, 0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:27.439 they come up to us and he kind of kind 0:44:27.440 --> 0:44:30.120 of freeze us up, and I'm just like, well, I 0:44:30.120 --> 0:44:36.520 don't have any other option than to say gaday or whatever. 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:39.440 I said. They must have been Allah, and everyone there, 0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.319 like everyone in that town, didn't seem to matter how 0:44:42.360 --> 0:44:44.920 old or young they were. They would greet you with 0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:46.959 like a fist bump or a slap of the hands 0:44:46.960 --> 0:44:49.200 and then a fist pump. So I just said gooday 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.680 or Ollah and held out my fist and the dude 0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:54.960 kind of instinctively took his hand off the butt of 0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:56.840 his weapon to like fist bump me. So then it 0:44:56.920 --> 0:44:59.360 was like okay, like a little bit of the tension broken. 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:02.080 But what I didn't realize when I kind of did 0:45:02.120 --> 0:45:05.719 this was that there was a guy standing right behind me, 0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:08.840 and just as I do this, he just pokes me 0:45:08.880 --> 0:45:11.080 in the back of the neck with his fucking cannon 0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:14.600 and like, man, I've never gone so fucking cold in 0:45:14.640 --> 0:45:19.320 my life, just like you know, figuratively needed me underwhere. 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:23.600 And yeah, the guy just kind of barked at us 0:45:23.600 --> 0:45:26.480 to uh, you know, to show us shown passports, and 0:45:26.520 --> 0:45:28.439 we both happened to have our passports on us, which 0:45:28.480 --> 0:45:33.680 was fucking saving. Gross. But you know, those are military 0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:37.000 police dudes who are out there looking for for like 0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:41.880 cartel guys, right, you know, because that's the that's the 0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:45.080 whole that's the whole thing that's going on underneath the 0:45:45.440 --> 0:45:48.839 economy and community of the local township. So as soon 0:45:48.840 --> 0:45:50.919 as he saw that, we were like, oh, these aren't 0:45:50.920 --> 0:45:54.719 cartel birds. Who's face tats? And you know I'm white 0:45:54.719 --> 0:45:58.520 as fuck, you know, so probably helped the kind of 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.000 behaved like, ah, we've we wanted to see some fucking 0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:03.279 acting today. And I didn't speak Spanish enough, but I 0:46:03.280 --> 0:46:05.040 could see from the body language, and you know, the 0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.200 guy kicking the dirt like, oh, I wanted to beat 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:12.479 some dudes up, but yeah, and to make things worse, 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:14.879 it was like when they when they rolled up on us, 0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:18.480 you know, we were he had my buddy had his 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:20.920 hat over my hands to stop the wind from blowing 0:46:20.920 --> 0:46:22.520 away the weed. I was trying to roll. So they 0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:24.600 just caught us red handed, like rolling a roll in 0:46:24.680 --> 0:46:30.120 a j but they didn't really speak enough English to 0:46:30.480 --> 0:46:33.799 say like that's it's not okay, or like a confiscating 0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:36.400 or like you've got to pay us, or you know 0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:40.360 whatever they were going to do. But yeah, man, that 0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:43.919 was that was absolutely mental. But I basically just said 0:46:43.920 --> 0:46:46.719 like Los Angeles, sorry, sir, you know, and put put 0:46:46.760 --> 0:46:50.480 the weed in the roll into my pocket. He kind 0:46:50.480 --> 0:46:53.160 of looked at me like you can't. You can't fucking 0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:55.319 do that. And I was kind of thinking, like, well, 0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.840 you don't speak enough English to tell me otherwise. 0:46:57.920 --> 0:47:01.640 So we have a much English she speaks. He's got 0:47:01.640 --> 0:47:03.800 a big fucking gun. He can kind of tell you 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:04.760 whatever he wants. 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.880 Yeah, yeah, I was. I was not not exactly thinking 0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:12.600 I was in a good situation at the time. But yeah, 0:47:12.640 --> 0:47:16.200 once we showed them my passports and it was like 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:19.680 yeah and then and then man, we rolled onto this. 0:47:20.600 --> 0:47:24.080 We did end up rolling the Jay later on in 0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:29.160 the day and after we got to this little oasis 0:47:29.200 --> 0:47:31.680 called Santiago and it was like one of the most 0:47:31.680 --> 0:47:34.800 beautiful fucking places I've ever been. It was like five 0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:36.640 bucks or something to spend the whole day in this 0:47:36.800 --> 0:47:42.080 crazy like natural water park. Its fucking nice way to 0:47:42.120 --> 0:47:43.840 relax after that intense situation. 0:47:44.239 --> 0:47:48.280 But it sounds like overall, I would say, it sounds 0:47:48.320 --> 0:47:53.160 like overall the sea has been a lot safer for 0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:58.040 you in your career in general than the land. Yeah, 0:47:58.840 --> 0:48:05.160 I'm here. I'm glad to hear that you've uh yeah, 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:08.279 that your your your career is skyrocketed. It sounds that's 0:48:08.280 --> 0:48:08.920 really awesome. 0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:14.000 Yeah, man, it's it's helped absolve a lot of my 0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:18.080 sort of illusions about the world and sort of I think, 0:48:18.160 --> 0:48:20.920 kind of juvenile thinking. And it's also made me a 0:48:20.920 --> 0:48:27.320 lot more just sane, like like I used to I 0:48:27.400 --> 0:48:31.239 used to smoke quite a lot of weird you know, 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.360 for a good few years after I stopped the busting 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:36.560 and kind of kid kid myself that it was helping me, 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.080 And it does helped some people. I'm not speaking badly 0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:44.640 of it, you know, but it's just not compatible with me, 0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:52.759 and it made me a very paranoid, like uncommunicative, kind 0:48:52.760 --> 0:48:56.520 of depressed person. And yeah, since stopping because obviously you 0:48:56.840 --> 0:48:59.360 can't get it on the ship, and you know, you've 0:48:59.360 --> 0:49:04.200 got to be comp intest to do your job, your performances. Yeah, 0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:08.480 it's just I'm enjoying my own company better and the 0:49:08.560 --> 0:49:12.360 relationship that I that I started with my lady in 0:49:12.400 --> 0:49:17.360 Front just before I started doing this gig is flourishing 0:49:17.480 --> 0:49:21.719 and sort of everything I've everything I've ever wanted out 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.200 of a relationship. So I've got a lot to be 0:49:24.239 --> 0:49:28.680 thankful for and and I'm having a fat time. 0:49:30.360 --> 0:49:33.680 Yeah, Jack, is there is there anything else you want 0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.040 to say to the people of the computer before we go? 0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.760 Is it allowing me to share my Instagram? 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:43.560 Yeah? Well, actually, you know what's funny is I was 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:46.399 looking at the Twitch chat and like the second after 0:49:46.440 --> 0:49:49.040 you said my name is Jack Shepherd, but I won't 0:49:49.080 --> 0:49:52.680 be sharing my handle, I was like, like, somebody already 0:49:52.719 --> 0:49:57.400 posted your website in the chat. Sure, yeah, well, I 0:49:57.400 --> 0:50:00.759 mean that's what happens when you Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course, Yeah, 0:50:00.800 --> 0:50:02.720 go ahead, share whatever you share, share all your stuff. 0:50:04.719 --> 0:50:06.560 Yeah, I said I wasn't going to, but here we are. 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.359 So it's uh from the days when you had to 0:50:11.480 --> 0:50:14.759 get your handle on social media by removing vowels from 0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.680 it because someone else had the fucking tag I wanted. 0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:21.320 But it's a mister Shepherd without the vowels. So m 0:50:21.600 --> 0:50:31.480 r s h p h r d so mister Shepper. Oh, 0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:36.760 it's just it's just that everywhere we've had this. 0:50:38.760 --> 0:50:42.160 Man, this is couol. Just I'm just scrolling through your Instagram. 0:50:42.200 --> 0:50:43.680 You're a cool ass, dude. 0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:46.200 This is a great man. 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:49.799 Look at this. Yeah, this guy anyone you're like, You're 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:53.240 like the Australian. You're like the Australian John Mayer. 0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:58.600 Dude, wait to hear me play guitar before we say that, 0:50:58.640 --> 0:51:00.720 because that's a that's a good compliment. 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:03.280 I haven't heard him play guitar either, but you guys, 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:03.840 just look. 0:51:03.960 --> 0:51:08.239 That's cool, that's that's funny. You say that because they're 0:51:08.280 --> 0:51:11.160 a dude who looks more like him and plays more 0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:14.279 like him from my busting pitch in Sydney, from my 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:18.520 home pitch. But yeah, because because you've because we've had 0:51:18.520 --> 0:51:21.240 this conversation now and I'm about to do my last 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:24.600 set in the sort of main spot on the on 0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:28.560 the ship. I'll live stream my my set later on tonight, 0:51:29.239 --> 0:51:32.560 and hey, may as well shout you out like seeing 0:51:32.560 --> 0:51:33.720 you said you let me do it here. 0:51:34.520 --> 0:51:39.480 And I'm looking at I'm looking at this post. I've 0:51:39.480 --> 0:51:42.280 scrolled through your entire Instagram. You don't post very often. 0:51:42.280 --> 0:51:45.640 I'm looking through okay for this is from March twelfth, 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.720 twenty nineteen. You posted a picture of a bearded dragon. 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:51.799 There's you have a. 0:51:51.880 --> 0:51:52.960 Last bear to dragons? 0:51:53.000 --> 0:51:54.600 Man, oh look my. 0:51:56.400 --> 0:51:59.359 Not my bearded dragon. But when I was allowed to 0:51:59.600 --> 0:52:03.200 post for some photos for a cover of a CD 0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:06.920 that is on Spotify. But yeah, they're beautiful little animals. Man, 0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:08.560 they actually have three eyes. 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:13.520 Look at this picture of you like fixing a fuck. 0:52:13.560 --> 0:52:16.960 I don't even know what you're like doing the science experiments. 0:52:17.760 --> 0:52:22.000 That'll be me building. That'll be some twenty fourteen or 0:52:22.040 --> 0:52:26.960 fifteen building an electronic monstrosity of a looper and effects 0:52:27.000 --> 0:52:31.520 machine by cobbling together a bunch of other products and 0:52:31.760 --> 0:52:34.759 rewiring them. That actually leads me to. 0:52:36.480 --> 0:52:38.320 I like this photos anyone. 0:52:39.040 --> 0:52:44.279 Sorry, we're cutting to the anyone who wants to learn 0:52:44.320 --> 0:52:47.360 how to loop or need advice on busking and equipment 0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:49.759 and how to do all of that. It's like when 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.880 I'm not performing, I'm building rigs in my head and 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.719 helping other people with it. I haven't turned it into 0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:00.800 a formal business just yet, Like the whole building custom 0:53:00.840 --> 0:53:03.319 things for people who are building instruments, but anyone who 0:53:03.320 --> 0:53:06.400 wants to learn how to loop, how to how to busk, 0:53:06.480 --> 0:53:09.239 and some some tips for it, feel free to hit 0:53:09.280 --> 0:53:11.200 me up and I will talk to you, you know, 0:53:11.440 --> 0:53:14.640 just like I've been talking to the get here all day, 0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:18.200 you know, until the cows come home. It's just for 0:53:18.360 --> 0:53:19.799 the love of it and for the passion of it. 0:53:20.160 --> 0:53:22.600 Dude. Fuck, yeah, that's what you're kind of hope. I 0:53:22.640 --> 0:53:24.640 hope you get I hope you get some d MS man. 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:26.759 If if some if you if you get connected with 0:53:26.800 --> 0:53:28.640 some people through this, that would be really awesome. 0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:35.080 Oh I did, absolutely, And yeah, fucking get nation. Man. 0:53:36.200 --> 0:53:38.880 It's a real, real cool I really didn't expect to 0:53:38.960 --> 0:53:40.319 just get through the first time I called. 0:53:40.680 --> 0:53:43.080 Look at this picture of you, like you're like sitting 0:53:43.120 --> 0:53:46.160 down with the times and you're like looking away and 0:53:46.200 --> 0:53:48.680 you have your hand on the on the back of 0:53:48.680 --> 0:53:50.200 your neck. You look so bashful. 0:53:51.719 --> 0:53:52.759 This is you. 0:53:52.719 --> 0:53:54.960 Gotta you gotta cool. You got you got such a 0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:59.120 you have like such a great like like I'm like, like, 0:53:59.280 --> 0:54:01.439 I don't know how errated this is, but you've got 0:54:01.440 --> 0:54:06.160 a great like artist image of like a sweet, sensitive, 0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:08.200 brooding man. 0:54:08.560 --> 0:54:12.719 I like it and That's my biggest achillity here is 0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:15.680 like self perception, like understanding what's good or bad about 0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:18.640 what I'm doing and trying to create an artist image. 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:21.239 Like I've just bought all this kit to do like 0:54:21.600 --> 0:54:23.799 quality live streams and stuff, and I just don't know 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:26.640 what to put on as my main that's my main thing, 0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:33.000 you know. It's yeah, like that that photo shoot was 0:54:33.239 --> 0:54:36.200 supposed to be a trio shoot and then our basis 0:54:36.200 --> 0:54:39.040 couldn't make it. So me and my body were offered 0:54:39.200 --> 0:54:43.040 a fat joint by the by the person shooting, the 0:54:43.080 --> 0:54:47.319 person who owned the gallery or the studio. And there 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.399 are some fucking hilarious shots from that, like we we 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:53.120 were just out of our minds. There's a shot where 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:55.400 I'm like pushing out my stomach and my buddy's like 0:54:55.440 --> 0:54:58.680 behind me, like like he's like he's cradling the baby. 0:54:58.760 --> 0:55:03.200 It's like it's a maternity s and ship. It's some funny, 0:55:03.200 --> 0:55:06.319 funny ship. But yeah, in those photos of I just 0:55:06.360 --> 0:55:07.880 don't know. I don't know how to look in in 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:10.239 fucking photos. Man, I have this pointing meat suit. 0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:13.319 Yes you do, yes, you do? You you might not? Yeah, 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:14.680 let me tell you this is the last time I 0:55:14.880 --> 0:55:16.799 tell you, Jack is you might not you might not 0:55:17.480 --> 0:55:21.080 be able to intellectualize it how you look in photos. 0:55:21.120 --> 0:55:24.080 But you you, you, you know how to do it. 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:27.800 Your essence knows how to do it. You know what 0:55:28.360 --> 0:55:32.600 you're You're I I don't say this lightly, Jack, I'm 0:55:32.600 --> 0:55:34.600 just looking through your Instagram and I'm like this. You 0:55:34.680 --> 0:55:38.000 were born to be a star. You're the Australian Jack Mayor. 0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:42.040 And I hope, I hope, I hope that one day, 0:55:42.680 --> 0:55:46.840 one day, John Mayer, do I say, Jack Mayor, I 0:55:47.000 --> 0:55:49.320 forget what I said. I hope one day John Mayer 0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:51.960 becomes the American Jack Shepherd. 0:55:55.600 --> 0:55:58.040 I'd be having a very very good career if that happened. 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:03.080 But uh, you know, a man can dream and uh yeah, man, 0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.640 Like if you're if you're ever in the in the 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:10.040 same place at the same time, if I'm ever doing 0:56:10.239 --> 0:56:12.360 a concert where there are tickets, you know, free tickets 0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:14.879 for you in the in the gig nation, bro. 0:56:14.920 --> 0:56:17.120 Please, that would be that would be cool. Maybe one day, 0:56:17.120 --> 0:56:20.000 maybe one day we can busk together. I'll play tambourine. 0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:23.080 Oh that'd be sick. I'll have to get a bit 0:56:23.120 --> 0:56:23.880 of dragon costume. 0:56:25.800 --> 0:56:27.400 See you later, Jack, Thank you for calling. 0:56:28.880 --> 0:56:34.280 Uh one last thing though, there's no justification for killing children. 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:39.600 There's just no. It's fucking indefensible, Big rock and roll. 0:56:39.640 --> 0:56:40.879 Letter Jack Peace. 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:41.440 Thanks. 0:56:41.840 --> 0:56:46.879 That was pretty cool. Yeah, I like I like. I 0:56:46.960 --> 0:56:49.760 like busking. I'll sometimes if I'm like in a place, 0:56:50.560 --> 0:56:53.399 I'll uh just and I see a bus girl, I'll 0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:56.960 just stand there and watch for a while. I'll watch. 0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:00.680 I'll watch people watch. It is one of those moments 0:57:00.719 --> 0:57:02.920 where everyone gathers and you're like okay, Like I don't 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.800 know throughout all the like crazy AI domerism and everyone 0:57:06.840 --> 0:57:10.840 being on their phones and like shit, there's something about 0:57:10.920 --> 0:57:13.800 just watching someone just like play music in a public 0:57:13.840 --> 0:57:16.840 park and everyone's like dancing and watching along, where you're 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:23.680 like everything will everything will probably maybe be okay, and 0:57:23.720 --> 0:57:25.040 that's you know, that's good enough. 0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:27.439 Hi. 0:57:27.920 --> 0:57:29.400 Hi, what's your name? 0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:30.160 Chunk? 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:32.080 That's a cool name. 0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:37.080 Yeah it is. It's like my favorite word. 0:57:37.800 --> 0:57:39.160 What's up, chunk? How's life? 0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:45.600 Uh? It's going? I mean, it's my twenty second birthday today. 0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:48.000 You sound like you're forty seven years old. 0:57:49.120 --> 0:57:52.160 Well, that's that's reassuring. I feel like I'm forty seven 0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:52.680 years old. 0:57:52.840 --> 0:57:54.800 Do you actually feel like you're forty seven years old. 0:57:55.720 --> 0:57:57.600 Well kind of That's kind of why I called in, 0:57:57.680 --> 0:58:00.520 is because I feel like I kind of like ran 0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:04.920 life a little bit and now I'm like not thrilled 0:58:04.960 --> 0:58:06.960 with where I'm at, and I'm like, well, now. 0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:09.640 What what do you mean you speed ran life? 0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:14.640 Well, like, on paper, everything in my life looks like 0:58:14.680 --> 0:58:17.640 pretty good. I think, like, I I'm twenty two, I 0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:19.760 like live alone with my girlfriend who had been with 0:58:19.800 --> 0:58:22.840 for four years. I have a bachelor's degree, like a 0:58:22.880 --> 0:58:26.600 really good job and everything, but like really all I 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:28.560 do is just like sit at home and play feef 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:31.240 all day or like video another video game. 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:35.880 You're forty No, you're not forty seven or twenty two? 0:58:36.160 --> 0:58:38.320 How did you speed run life? You were like, what 0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:41.760 did you do? So like you okay, So like you're okay, 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:44.400 you live with your girlfriend and you have a job. Yeah, 0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:48.120 and you're like, all right, I'm doing the whole I'm domestic. 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:53.919 I'm I'm living a conventional domestic life exactly twenty two 0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.240 and I have but I and I didn't. I didn't 0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:58.440 go crazy enough. Is that what's going on? 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:02.360 Exactly? Like kind of kind of like that, but I never, 0:59:02.560 --> 0:59:04.800 like when I was like doing all that stuff. Like 0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:07.480 I went online college, so I didn't really like kind 0:59:07.520 --> 0:59:12.439 have that like typical like college experience, you know, which 0:59:12.440 --> 0:59:14.880 I didn't really want at the time, and now I 0:59:14.960 --> 0:59:16.680 kind of I kind of do want it, but like 0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:18.880 I also don't want to go into debt to like 0:59:18.920 --> 0:59:19.880 get another degree. 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:22.640 No, that's it's really stupid. Well what do you do? 0:59:22.840 --> 0:59:27.880 Yeah? I like work with software for like a construction company. 0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:32.440 It's it's like boring, and I honestly like I'm trying 0:59:32.440 --> 0:59:34.920 to find a different job that like wouldn't be as 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:37.200 boring because like I do like what I do. I 0:59:37.240 --> 0:59:40.840 just think it's like the job, the specific job I 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:41.480 don't really like. 0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:45.040 But you're you're you're a software engineer. 0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:49.000 Not not like a software engineer. I just like support software, 0:59:49.040 --> 0:59:51.320 so like if there's an issue with it, like they 0:59:51.480 --> 0:59:54.800 talk to me right, like like project manage and all 0:59:54.880 --> 0:59:55.440 that stuff. 0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:56.560 Do you work from home? 0:59:57.880 --> 1:00:02.360 Yeah, which is sweet, but it's also like I say, 1:00:02.360 --> 1:00:04.200 at home all the time. You know, it's kind of 1:00:04.240 --> 1:00:06.400 like an adult double edged sword. 1:00:07.120 --> 1:00:10.160 And if you will you work from how do you 1:00:10.240 --> 1:00:11.280 like work nine to five? 1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:16.040 Yeah? Yep, basically okay. 1:00:15.760 --> 1:00:22.560 And what no, Yeah, going back to college, going into 1:00:22.600 --> 1:00:27.520 debt to have a nice time would be a exact 1:00:27.600 --> 1:00:30.200 Do you make and you make money at this job? 1:00:31.360 --> 1:00:31.760 Yeah? 1:00:31.840 --> 1:00:33.600 Yeah, I make good enough money. I mean it's not 1:00:33.680 --> 1:00:36.560 like the best, but it's better than a lot of people. 1:00:37.720 --> 1:00:41.240 Okay, so what do you You just want something? Like 1:00:41.360 --> 1:00:43.000 you want to do something cool and exciting. 1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:44.560 Yeah? 1:00:44.640 --> 1:00:47.720 Yeah, but every time, like I have like desires to 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:50.040 do stuff that's cool and exciting, I just like can't 1:00:50.120 --> 1:00:52.200 like pick myself up enough to do it. You know, 1:00:52.320 --> 1:00:55.640 Like I I have this thing every day and it's 1:00:55.720 --> 1:00:58.520 like why I've been like non stop listening to the 1:00:58.560 --> 1:01:00.560 show because I sympathize with a lot of people. It's 1:01:00.600 --> 1:01:05.160 like I just like want to do all this stuff, 1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:08.280 but like and I have like time, sometime and resources 1:01:08.280 --> 1:01:10.680 to do it. I just like can't like pick myself 1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:12.360 up to like actually go do it. You know what 1:01:12.440 --> 1:01:12.720 I mean? 1:01:16.440 --> 1:01:21.320 Here's you. I don't have to say that I am 1:01:21.360 --> 1:01:28.360 not a doctor, and so I won't although I'm not 1:01:28.440 --> 1:01:33.080 a doctor, however, I'm like truly my my brother from 1:01:33.240 --> 1:01:40.360 a personal experience. Have you considered and don't take it 1:01:40.360 --> 1:01:43.200 from me, go talk to a you know whatever person, 1:01:43.320 --> 1:01:46.840 But do you just like have fucking ADHD. 1:01:48.120 --> 1:01:51.680 I I haven't been diagnosed. I kind of a little 1:01:51.720 --> 1:01:58.040 bit suspect it. Yeah, but I actually have thought about 1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:00.640 going to therapy recently. I need to just pick my 1:02:00.800 --> 1:02:02.960 like once again, it's one of those things where it's 1:02:03.000 --> 1:02:05.040 like I know I need to do it, and I 1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:06.720 want to do it. I just like have to go 1:02:06.840 --> 1:02:08.200 through the actual steps. 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:12.200 So I mean, I'm only I'm only saying this because 1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.480 like I have it, and I have a ton of 1:02:14.520 --> 1:02:17.640 friends who have it, and it's like this is like 1:02:17.840 --> 1:02:21.880 just such a classic. Yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna 1:02:21.960 --> 1:02:25.720 say you got to go get on take a bunch 1:02:25.720 --> 1:02:29.000 of drugs. I'm not I'm not saying that. I recently 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:32.560 started taking a bunch of ADHD medicine and now feel 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:35.080 amazing all the time. And so I'm telling you to 1:02:35.120 --> 1:02:40.840 go do it. But I mean it's worth it to 1:02:41.600 --> 1:02:43.640 go talk to a person about it because you know 1:02:43.680 --> 1:02:45.640 what it is is because everything here's here's the thing, right, 1:02:45.640 --> 1:02:49.560 Like it's like situationally, you can do whatever you want. 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:54.560 You can go live in Denver for a month and yeah, 1:02:54.640 --> 1:02:57.200 hey and you know you're working, you see have money, 1:02:57.280 --> 1:02:59.680 so you can do it. I don't know what's your 1:02:59.680 --> 1:03:01.960 what's your girlfriend? Well, actually, hold on, what's your girlfriends do? 1:03:03.640 --> 1:03:06.280 She's she's kind of in a similar spot, Like she 1:03:06.320 --> 1:03:08.720 has like a she actually just quit her job, but 1:03:08.840 --> 1:03:10.680 like it was like a daycare job that was like 1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:14.040 driving her crazy. So she's like kind of in a 1:03:14.040 --> 1:03:16.880 similar spot where like she has stuff she wants to do, 1:03:16.920 --> 1:03:18.720 but like does I don't know, And I don't really 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:23.240 want to speak for her, but she, like I would say, 1:03:23.640 --> 1:03:27.160 kind of similar like sort of thing. Her Her anxiety 1:03:27.240 --> 1:03:30.680 is kind of like more what like her I guess 1:03:30.760 --> 1:03:32.919 issue was. I don't know if that's like a mean 1:03:32.960 --> 1:03:34.920 thing to say, though, that's. 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:39.160 I mean, like in talking about like you and the 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:41.760 specific thing that you brought up where it's like, Okay, 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:44.440 I feel like I live the life of a of 1:03:44.480 --> 1:03:48.640 a you know, forty seven year old married couple. It's like, well, 1:03:48.640 --> 1:03:50.280 you don't have you don't have to I mean, what 1:03:50.360 --> 1:03:50.720 would you? 1:03:51.520 --> 1:03:53.880 Yeah, no, I agree, Well. 1:03:53.720 --> 1:03:55.960 You're telling me, You're saying I have things I want 1:03:56.000 --> 1:03:58.080 to do, but I just can't like bring myself to 1:03:58.080 --> 1:04:00.880 do them. What are the things? 1:04:01.200 --> 1:04:04.640 Oh? Like mostly honestly traveling, Like I know, it's it's 1:04:04.720 --> 1:04:06.920 kind of stupid that the thing that The thing that 1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:09.520 prevents me from doing it the most is my job, 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:13.080 Like even you work remote, Like I feel like if 1:04:13.160 --> 1:04:15.000 I was in a different time zone, it would kind 1:04:15.000 --> 1:04:18.880 of like ruin the experience of actually traveling, like having 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:20.920 to do that. I can like take off like a 1:04:20.960 --> 1:04:23.280 week or so, but like I really want to do 1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:26.960 like the long term travel sort of thing. But I 1:04:27.120 --> 1:04:30.440 I've been trying to plan. I was looking at a 1:04:30.480 --> 1:04:33.200 trip to Thailand maybe later this year. I think that's 1:04:33.240 --> 1:04:36.160 like that would like kick ass and like help me 1:04:36.240 --> 1:04:36.760 out a bunch. 1:04:37.200 --> 1:04:39.560 Yeah, that would kick ass. You do have the problem 1:04:39.600 --> 1:04:42.320 of like your hours get all fucked, but I don't 1:04:42.360 --> 1:04:44.400 what kind of job that Like are you well, because 1:04:44.400 --> 1:04:46.920 he's my question is I mean you're twenty two, so 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.040 you just started working at this company. 1:04:50.520 --> 1:04:52.120 Uh, I've been there for a year, so like I 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:54.440 actually that's like kind of what I'm saying too, is 1:04:54.480 --> 1:04:56.520 like I on paper, like it looks really good, Like 1:04:56.560 --> 1:04:59.600 I worked like full time through college, like I it 1:04:59.640 --> 1:05:02.720 didn't feel that hard. But like to an external person, 1:05:02.760 --> 1:05:05.800 that like looks really good. You know what I mean? 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:09.040 Are you doing are you are you doing something where 1:05:09.080 --> 1:05:13.080 you are where? Like I don't, I have no idea, 1:05:13.120 --> 1:05:15.919 what you doing your job? Dated? Why are you doing 1:05:15.920 --> 1:05:19.600 something where you're like constantly like interfacing with people throughout 1:05:19.640 --> 1:05:21.800 the day and you have to like bere to like 1:05:21.800 --> 1:05:25.919 respect respond to slacks at a certain times exactly, Okay, 1:05:26.040 --> 1:05:28.000 yeah sure, yeah, okay, so that makes it hard. 1:05:28.280 --> 1:05:31.200 That makes it hard, yeah, exactly. And I like I 1:05:31.200 --> 1:05:33.440 would love to just like try to like go to 1:05:33.520 --> 1:05:35.480 Thailand and like not take off work, But then I 1:05:35.560 --> 1:05:38.800 feel like pretty quickly I would get like pretty tired 1:05:38.840 --> 1:05:41.560 of getting messages at like whatever like two am that 1:05:41.800 --> 1:05:43.320 having to get up and respond to it. 1:05:44.000 --> 1:05:46.680 Yeah, that would suck. That would suck. But you're you 1:05:46.720 --> 1:05:48.520 have to, Yeah, you have time to make it to Thailand. 1:05:48.520 --> 1:05:50.600 I mean, why don't you go to like, uh, yeah, 1:05:50.680 --> 1:05:52.560 there's a lot of cool places you could go to 1:05:52.720 --> 1:05:58.800 that are on the I'm sorry, did you say where 1:05:58.840 --> 1:06:00.560 you live now? 1:06:00.600 --> 1:06:03.120 I'm in Pennsylvaniam in the high Yeah. 1:06:03.160 --> 1:06:04.360 Yeah, you're right, you're on you're on. 1:06:04.400 --> 1:06:04.880 A s T. 1:06:05.640 --> 1:06:08.240 There's a lot of cool places you can go on 1:06:08.320 --> 1:06:10.960 those on the on those hours. It's all of fucking 1:06:11.040 --> 1:06:16.680 South America. There's all of uh like Mexico and what 1:06:17.680 --> 1:06:21.000 you know, Guatemala and like there's adventures that like if 1:06:21.000 --> 1:06:23.160 you if you're just telling me you want to go 1:06:23.200 --> 1:06:28.400 on an adventure, HM, I mean I I've been UH 1:06:29.080 --> 1:06:34.680 working remote for five years and I had one time, 1:06:35.640 --> 1:06:39.680 like three years ago where I was having another existential 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:42.320 crisis and I was like, I gotta go do something crazy, 1:06:42.800 --> 1:06:46.480 So I went to UH. I went to Guatemala UH 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:49.880 for like like a weekend UH and I like just 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:53.760 filmed videos and stuff and that was fun. And as 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:56.760 you know, that's on the same you can go there. 1:06:57.240 --> 1:07:00.760 You could go UH, Puerto Rico. That's a good point 1:07:01.240 --> 1:07:04.360 you can go to. I don't I don't know what's 1:07:04.360 --> 1:07:08.080 going on, so I don't want don't. I don't know 1:07:08.120 --> 1:07:09.640 what's going on hon Duras, So I don't want you 1:07:09.720 --> 1:07:12.160 to go there and die. And then in the news 1:07:12.240 --> 1:07:14.280 article it's like a gecko told him to go. 1:07:16.120 --> 1:07:18.240 A gecko got him killed in Guatemala. 1:07:18.320 --> 1:07:19.600 But this is but you know what it is is 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:22.440 I actually don't even think I'm just projecting upon you. 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:23.800 But I don't even think that this is like a 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:25.880 oh I need a recommendation of a place to go. 1:07:26.000 --> 1:07:28.960 This is like a mental this is is Yeah, that's 1:07:29.080 --> 1:07:30.479 I don't even know why I'm talking about that ship 1:07:30.520 --> 1:07:32.040 because this is like a mental hurdle. 1:07:33.920 --> 1:07:36.600 That's a good point too, though, because like I I 1:07:36.640 --> 1:07:39.760 think I just like get hyperfixiated on like one kind 1:07:39.800 --> 1:07:43.120 of trip, like like the month long trip to like 1:07:43.480 --> 1:07:47.680 somewhere fairy foreign. Yeah, like right right, and and that 1:07:48.080 --> 1:07:50.440 isn't what it needs to be though. No, that's what 1:07:50.440 --> 1:07:53.840 you're saying, and I I agree with that totally. Yeah, yeah, No, 1:07:54.080 --> 1:07:57.600 it is a lot harder like to like get myself 1:07:57.600 --> 1:07:59.400 to do things. I think you were right, Like I 1:07:59.480 --> 1:08:01.840 do just need to take that step of like going 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:04.520 to a therapist. I did last year, and I feel 1:08:04.520 --> 1:08:09.280 like he would. I actually like did have a time 1:08:09.360 --> 1:08:12.120 last year for like like six months where I was 1:08:12.120 --> 1:08:14.680 like doing every like I was like almost like in 1:08:14.680 --> 1:08:18.360 that like perfect little like I don't want to say grind, 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:21.479 but like I was doing everything I wanted to be doing. 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:23.720 Like that's kind of like the main crux of it 1:08:23.760 --> 1:08:26.040 is like I have things I want to be doing, 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:30.880 but I end up just like scrolling on Instagram and 1:08:30.920 --> 1:08:33.720 watching YouTube videos and playing video games all day. 1:08:33.800 --> 1:08:34.000 You know. 1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:37.280 It's like it's it's the tough part is like getting 1:08:37.280 --> 1:08:39.360 myself to do the things I actually like want to 1:08:39.400 --> 1:08:42.880 be doing you know, like reading is like I want 1:08:42.880 --> 1:08:46.200 to read more. It's like all the typical stuff like read, 1:08:46.320 --> 1:08:47.000 work out. 1:08:46.880 --> 1:08:49.800 Like you know what I mean, Yeah, take a but 1:08:50.400 --> 1:08:54.599 yeah take a start taking a bunch of of meth. 1:08:55.320 --> 1:08:58.840 It will help a lot to do those things. 1:08:59.040 --> 1:09:00.599 Well, I already smoke abut unch of weeds. 1:09:00.680 --> 1:09:04.560 So there's a lot of that. There's a lot of 1:09:04.600 --> 1:09:06.920 ship like this where it's it's such a it's like 1:09:06.960 --> 1:09:10.760 a Nike just do it thing. But also there can 1:09:10.840 --> 1:09:14.760 be some yeah, yeah, I don't go talk to a doctor. Man. 1:09:15.600 --> 1:09:18.720 I used to be in my head. I used to 1:09:18.720 --> 1:09:23.040 be in my head about uh yeah, there's some there's 1:09:23.720 --> 1:09:25.960 a lot of this is just like again, Nike, just 1:09:26.000 --> 1:09:29.320 do it. But now now just from a personal level, 1:09:29.360 --> 1:09:32.320 I'm like, oh wait, maybe there's a there's I mean, 1:09:32.320 --> 1:09:36.040 there's a lot of chemical ship going on. Yeah, definitely, 1:09:36.120 --> 1:09:36.880 go ahead, go ahead. 1:09:36.880 --> 1:09:39.360 I've noticed it a lot in the last year. But 1:09:39.479 --> 1:09:43.439 there's part of me too that's like should should I 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:46.680 be content? Like if this is the thing that like 1:09:46.720 --> 1:09:50.719 my it's I have a hard time reconciling, like if 1:09:51.200 --> 1:09:53.719 what my brain wants me to do in the current 1:09:53.800 --> 1:09:57.920 moment is like what I should be doing versus like 1:09:58.479 --> 1:10:00.960 what in like my I guess like my higher conscious 1:10:00.960 --> 1:10:04.320 mind thinks I should be doing. You know, like I 1:10:04.360 --> 1:10:08.439 almost feel like I should find like like peace and 1:10:08.479 --> 1:10:11.280 like happiness in the things I'm already doing, like all 1:10:11.360 --> 1:10:14.200 the dumb bullshit I do. Like, you know, I like 1:10:14.320 --> 1:10:17.800 I'm in a very fortunate position to be able to 1:10:17.840 --> 1:10:22.040 wake up, you know, like five minutes after work starts 1:10:22.200 --> 1:10:25.360 and go make a bowl of yogurt and watch YouTube 1:10:25.360 --> 1:10:27.080 for an hour until I get a team's message, you 1:10:27.120 --> 1:10:27.599 know what I mean? 1:10:28.560 --> 1:10:32.000 Yeah, but don't I want what's your name again? 1:10:33.200 --> 1:10:33.479 Junk? 1:10:34.320 --> 1:10:36.679 Junk? Oh yeah, you said that, Junk. Everything you're saying 1:10:36.760 --> 1:10:38.800 to me, and also the fact that you're telling me 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:41.479 that that just the things that people talk about on 1:10:41.520 --> 1:10:44.719 this podcast are resonate with you. It's like, Oh, I 1:10:44.720 --> 1:10:50.879 I all those thoughts that you're saying right now, I've 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:55.800 had all of them. I've I've been attacked by uh shoulds, 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:59.439 and I've let you know, should kind of run my 1:10:59.680 --> 1:11:08.040 brain and mental whatever a lot. But fucking just how 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:17.840 do I say this? Uh? I want to say there's 1:11:17.840 --> 1:11:21.000 nothing you should be doing, and I do kind of 1:11:21.200 --> 1:11:26.960 I do like philosophically, I guess believe that. But yeah, 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:31.880 well also it's it's like, what are we having this 1:11:31.960 --> 1:11:35.600 conversation for. Just go to fucking just go it's on 1:11:35.720 --> 1:11:38.160 the thing, d Just go on the thing. Go on, 1:11:38.320 --> 1:11:42.400 go to go to go see a therapist or a 1:11:42.439 --> 1:11:45.320 psychiatrist and find out if if they're like, hey, you 1:11:45.400 --> 1:11:49.120 probably have this thing you should take medication for, and 1:11:49.160 --> 1:11:55.080 then go on the trip. You know, there's no I don't. Yeah, 1:11:55.160 --> 1:11:59.360 I mean we could philosophize size about this all day. 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:04.880 I personally, I mean, I am blessed enough to have 1:12:06.520 --> 1:12:09.439 ran ran a gamut and that what you're talking about 1:12:09.520 --> 1:12:12.840 is is a balance of that I've personally been trying 1:12:12.840 --> 1:12:17.360 to find in my own life for a long time, 1:12:17.800 --> 1:12:23.160 and uh only only only, I'm telling you, extremely recently 1:12:23.840 --> 1:12:26.320 have I felt like I've found that balance? I'm like 1:12:26.520 --> 1:12:30.759 extremely recently, like I'm talking like a month. Have I 1:12:30.760 --> 1:12:33.439 felt like I found some balance? And it might fall 1:12:33.479 --> 1:12:39.439 apart and I might be Yeah. I always, I always 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:42.280 feel like you got there and then and then a little, 1:12:42.320 --> 1:12:45.040 an little demon shows up and he's like, hey, remember me, 1:12:45.240 --> 1:12:47.520 I got hot? 1:12:49.439 --> 1:12:53.559 The little demon of Instagram reels or something like that. 1:12:53.960 --> 1:13:01.599 Yeah, but I don't know, just like, yeah, go talk 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:06.080 to a fucking real person and see if they are like, hey, 1:13:06.160 --> 1:13:09.400 you got to take pills. 1:13:09.760 --> 1:13:14.040 Yeah, and definitely I I have been that for a 1:13:14.080 --> 1:13:14.799 long time. 1:13:14.960 --> 1:13:15.200 Yeah. 1:13:15.240 --> 1:13:19.400 It's a it's a real cat and mouse game because 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:21.800 you like, you know, you gotta you know, you got 1:13:21.800 --> 1:13:23.840 to make an appointment for a thing, and then you 1:13:23.920 --> 1:13:25.519 go and then there, and then they and then they 1:13:25.560 --> 1:13:28.040 send you a form and the second you make a 1:13:28.040 --> 1:13:29.840 phone call and they send you a form and you 1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:32.879 see the form and it like you see one question 1:13:33.040 --> 1:13:35.080 in the form where you're like, oh, crap, in order 1:13:35.120 --> 1:13:39.000 to answer this, I gotta find this other information. You're like, 1:13:39.040 --> 1:13:42.479 it's over. I'm never I'm gonna die without ever doing this. 1:13:44.240 --> 1:13:45.840 Yes. Absolutely. 1:13:46.479 --> 1:13:47.639 Have you ever been on a trip? 1:13:49.520 --> 1:13:52.120 Uh? Last year my girlfriend I went up to Maine 1:13:52.360 --> 1:13:54.519 for like a week. That's kind of the same trip. 1:13:54.560 --> 1:13:56.880 I think I need to just do. You know, we 1:13:57.240 --> 1:14:01.160 we like have a trip up to Massachusetts with my family. 1:14:01.160 --> 1:14:03.360 And that's a hard thing too, is like I always 1:14:03.400 --> 1:14:05.560 have like, well, it's not hard. I don't know, I 1:14:05.600 --> 1:14:07.840 don't know how to say it really, but it's like 1:14:08.040 --> 1:14:10.639 I have these like family trips that like take away 1:14:10.760 --> 1:14:13.120 from like I don't know, I want to say, disregard 1:14:13.200 --> 1:14:15.320 that it's it's that's fine, that's. 1:14:15.200 --> 1:14:17.760 Like, no, I know, I know, I know, I know, 1:14:17.960 --> 1:14:22.360 I know exactly what. Uh I think I know exactly 1:14:22.600 --> 1:14:26.800 what you want to say, but feel bad expressing, which 1:14:26.880 --> 1:14:29.479 is like you're on the family trip, but you're like 1:14:30.680 --> 1:14:32.479 and in your head you're like, I should be grateful 1:14:32.479 --> 1:14:34.599 I'm on this family trip, but in your gut you're 1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:36.479 like yeah. But in your gut you're like, yeah, but 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:37.760 this ain't the sauce. You know. 1:14:38.600 --> 1:14:41.360 Yeah, I've done the same exact thing like ten times. 1:14:41.400 --> 1:14:43.640 You know, I've gone to the same little town in 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:45.240 Massachusetts like ten times. 1:14:45.520 --> 1:14:49.559 No, here's because I also believe this in a sense 1:14:49.600 --> 1:14:54.240 of I like having this conversation we're happening, we're having 1:14:54.240 --> 1:14:56.240 because I kind of feel like I know where your 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.920 brain is at and you're you're five years younger than me, 1:14:59.200 --> 1:15:03.960 and uh, I know what you're saying because you're eventually 1:15:04.800 --> 1:15:06.639 gonna get to a point. I think this is part 1:15:06.680 --> 1:15:11.040 of getting older, is like yeah, like if I you know, 1:15:11.200 --> 1:15:14.360 I've been on a billion trips and done a billion 1:15:14.439 --> 1:15:16.719 things where I'm like, oh, yeah, this is the sauce, 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:24.280 and then later and then even after that felt again 1:15:24.320 --> 1:15:26.800 only up until very recently, still after going on all 1:15:26.800 --> 1:15:30.280 those trips, felt unsatiated and felt like, oh, I don't 1:15:30.320 --> 1:15:31.639 know what I'm doing? Am I doing what I? Only 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:34.960 very recently have I locked into a life rhythm where 1:15:34.960 --> 1:15:38.960 I'm like, Okay, I feel confident about this, and now 1:15:39.040 --> 1:15:44.519 that I'm there, ish I maybe who knows? Who knows? Whatever? 1:15:45.520 --> 1:15:50.120 Do I now feel like if my mom and stepdad 1:15:50.640 --> 1:15:55.040 wanted me to go with them to Maine and I 1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:57.840 and I only now after I've gotten all of that 1:15:58.320 --> 1:16:01.320 out of my system and felt like I'm on a 1:16:01.400 --> 1:16:05.000 nice track and I'm not preoccupied with what I should 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:09.280 be doing. Can I now be like fully in the 1:16:09.360 --> 1:16:12.759 moment with my mom and my stepdad as I should 1:16:13.320 --> 1:16:15.120 or I I yea as you know, you know what 1:16:15.160 --> 1:16:18.400 I mean. But it takes. It takes, It takes getting 1:16:18.439 --> 1:16:23.640 a little older, It takes finding a nice rhythm for 1:16:23.720 --> 1:16:28.000 yourself and your life that you feel good about, and 1:16:28.080 --> 1:16:30.599 that just that just takes time. So don't you don't 1:16:30.640 --> 1:16:33.519 have to feel bad about what you're feeling right now. 1:16:33.720 --> 1:16:38.439 But you know you'll, you'll, you'll fucking get there, you know, 1:16:38.680 --> 1:16:41.040 it's I don't I don't want to be too reductive 1:16:41.080 --> 1:16:43.120 and say, oh, you're twenty two or whatever. But just 1:16:43.120 --> 1:16:46.519 because I know the feelings you're having in your brain 1:16:46.640 --> 1:16:51.519 right now, I just I couldn't it like I'm it 1:16:51.720 --> 1:16:55.679 took five years maybe more. I don't know if I'll 1:16:55.680 --> 1:16:58.200 revert back to, oh I'm doing the wrong thing. I 1:16:58.200 --> 1:17:01.559 I only I've only peaceful or I've only felt peace 1:17:01.600 --> 1:17:04.519 for the last month of my life. Everything else has 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:09.479 been yeah, yeah adhd crazy brain scramble, but yeah, but yeah, Dode, 1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.600 You'll I think you'll get You'll get there, but uh, 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:15.519 I've got to you gotta know, I think, but you 1:17:15.560 --> 1:17:17.600 got you gotta put yourself out there. And and I 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:20.040 don't know if you get to that point with medication 1:17:20.200 --> 1:17:22.679 or if you get to that point by just Nike 1:17:22.880 --> 1:17:25.840 just do it, but uh, yeah, you'll get there. Like 1:17:25.880 --> 1:17:30.080 when you're thirty and you're and you've traveled all these 1:17:30.120 --> 1:17:32.680 places and you've done these and you're not here. It's 1:17:32.720 --> 1:17:36.280 also I think that's a young man's game. Uh, that's 1:17:36.960 --> 1:17:37.479 is wondering. 1:17:38.680 --> 1:17:43.519 It's like I I all these years that like I 1:17:43.560 --> 1:17:45.720 don't know, I don't necessarily think there's like a right 1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:48.360 time to be doing all those things. And now like 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:50.040 because I did all those things, I have like more 1:17:50.080 --> 1:17:53.920 of an ability like financially to travel. But like it's 1:17:53.960 --> 1:17:57.160 like I almost feel like I like focused on like 1:17:57.360 --> 1:18:01.160 the uh the like work like part first then that 1:18:01.200 --> 1:18:02.639 I should that was like a mistake. 1:18:02.720 --> 1:18:05.200 But no, that wasn't a mistake at all. That was 1:18:05.240 --> 1:18:08.080 not a mistake at all. Because here's the thing, uh 1:18:09.120 --> 1:18:13.000 going to like all this ship that we're talking about, 1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:18.559 Like it costs money to do, and the there's there's 1:18:18.600 --> 1:18:23.719 a nice balance to strike between like putting your head 1:18:23.720 --> 1:18:27.160 down and getting your your bag and trying to set 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:33.160 up a nice financial foundation for yourself and then like 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:35.240 you know, having having fun. But it's so much easier 1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:38.040 to have fun and do the things that you want 1:18:38.040 --> 1:18:40.800 to do when when you're not you know, stressed out 1:18:40.840 --> 1:18:44.439 about about about money. It is it is important. And 1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:47.719 also you know, get this when when you and your 1:18:49.120 --> 1:18:53.320 girlfriend are married and thirty and whatever, and and you 1:18:53.360 --> 1:18:55.280 because you got your money up and you put it 1:18:55.320 --> 1:19:00.519 in the fucking stupid index fund or whatever, and you know, thirty, 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:02.960 you have some money. Now you can really fucking do 1:19:03.040 --> 1:19:04.760 whatever the hell you want. So I don't think you 1:19:04.840 --> 1:19:07.320 made any mistakes. I think you did it. Sounds like 1:19:07.320 --> 1:19:08.280 you did things really well. 1:19:09.720 --> 1:19:13.400 Yeah. It reminds me of the caller the other week. 1:19:13.439 --> 1:19:15.200 I don't know when when it was for you, but 1:19:15.760 --> 1:19:17.479 it was only a couple of days for me in 1:19:17.640 --> 1:19:20.280 podcast world. But it was the one that worked at 1:19:20.280 --> 1:19:22.760 his father's painting company and you were telling him just 1:19:22.800 --> 1:19:26.400 to like work there, And like, I resonated a lot 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:28.080 with that because it was like that was like, what 1:19:28.200 --> 1:19:31.040 I did? You know that is the right advice? 1:19:31.400 --> 1:19:35.800 Wait, I'm actually I'm actually, I'm actually so you know 1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:38.760 what's you know what's so funny is I I I know, 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:40.800 I don't know you, but we have so much of 1:19:40.840 --> 1:19:43.240 what you're talking about. I really resonate with like the 1:19:44.040 --> 1:19:48.439 bright your brain and it's so it's so funny because uh, 1:19:48.560 --> 1:19:51.439 I actually got a lot of flak in the comments section. 1:19:52.000 --> 1:19:56.960 Really whatever what I said to that guy and you know, 1:19:57.120 --> 1:20:00.280 here's here's and I actually I was thinking of a 1:20:00.280 --> 1:20:02.240 lot and I talk in my real life. I talked 1:20:02.240 --> 1:20:05.240 to my like friends and family about that call and 1:20:05.280 --> 1:20:08.879 about uh that I was getting flack for it because 1:20:09.080 --> 1:20:16.639 I like and I was trying to understand it. Maybe 1:20:17.840 --> 1:20:24.439 that specific caller could have done like some things different, 1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:29.439 like could have I don't know, found a better paying 1:20:29.520 --> 1:20:32.040 job somewhere else, or gone to trade school or something. 1:20:32.320 --> 1:20:34.760 Here's what. But what upset me about the flack I 1:20:34.760 --> 1:20:37.920 got in the comments was not that people. I'm so 1:20:38.320 --> 1:20:42.840 I don't get please if you disagree with things that 1:20:42.920 --> 1:20:46.160 I say in this podcast here, I would be insane 1:20:46.200 --> 1:20:48.840 if I wanted nobody to ever disagree with me. But 1:20:48.880 --> 1:20:52.439 I wanted I wanted like, I wanted feedback. I wanted 1:20:52.479 --> 1:20:58.400 like alternative things well people. If people in the comments 1:20:58.400 --> 1:21:02.479 were like, GEK, that's stupid and you're being toxic and 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:04.560 and and when I read that, I'm like, yeah, what what? 1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:07.040 When I read that, I'm like, uh, you know what, 1:21:07.160 --> 1:21:13.400 I will fully, fully fully accept that I was that 1:21:13.479 --> 1:21:16.160 I was being whatever, but I want to but I'm what, 1:21:16.240 --> 1:21:18.400 do you what do you think? I hate when people 1:21:18.400 --> 1:21:20.800 said I hate when they're like you're wrong, but they 1:21:20.840 --> 1:21:25.400 don't come up with an alternative. Yeah, not a reason, 1:21:25.400 --> 1:21:27.680 but like here, like, Lyle, what you said to this 1:21:27.720 --> 1:21:30.960 guy was wrong. Here's what I think this guy should do. 1:21:31.160 --> 1:21:33.120 Because if I saw a comment where someone was like, Lyle, 1:21:33.120 --> 1:21:36.280 you're a fat idiot and I and I disagree with you, 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:38.240 and I think what you said to that kid was harmful. 1:21:38.760 --> 1:21:43.280 Here's what I think instead he should do. I would 1:21:43.280 --> 1:21:45.200 read that and then be like, oh, you know what, 1:21:45.240 --> 1:21:47.400 you're right, I actually am a fat idiot and this 1:21:47.600 --> 1:21:51.200 comment or is correct. I like that idea. But when 1:21:51.200 --> 1:21:53.720 it's just hey, you're a fat ida and you're wrong, 1:21:53.800 --> 1:21:56.680 I'm like, come on, give me, like I just I was. 1:21:56.720 --> 1:21:58.920 That's what bummed me because I wanted I wanted to 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.280 hear in the comments like what other people thought that 1:22:01.280 --> 1:22:04.200 that kid should do, so that way I could read 1:22:04.240 --> 1:22:05.960 it and be like, Okay, you know what these people 1:22:05.960 --> 1:22:11.479 are rights, Yeah, definitely, but but I you know, don't 1:22:11.479 --> 1:22:12.000 get me wrong. 1:22:12.080 --> 1:22:15.040 He should definitely have asked his dad for a raise. 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:18.679 I was like, say, I like audibly gasped when I heard. 1:22:19.600 --> 1:22:22.599 But it was like it at the same time, like 1:22:22.680 --> 1:22:26.080 that mindset of what you were saying, like that is 1:22:26.200 --> 1:22:29.760 I was thinking about it of like you can just 1:22:29.840 --> 1:22:32.640 do that, Like you can just work that much and 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:35.640 still have all the other things that you want. And 1:22:35.680 --> 1:22:38.400 it's like that kind of resonated with me because it's 1:22:38.439 --> 1:22:40.760 like I have I don't even have to go out 1:22:40.800 --> 1:22:43.040 and paint cars every day. Like I'm I have all 1:22:43.080 --> 1:22:45.280 this time at home to be like doing things. I 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:48.719 just like haven't you know, actually done them yet. And obviously, 1:22:48.760 --> 1:22:51.680 like you know, we talked about how I can fix that, 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:56.200 but it's it's like I I definitely think that that 1:22:56.200 --> 1:22:59.000 that people like get really fixated on, like the ideal 1:22:59.160 --> 1:23:02.080 or like one track of life where like a lot 1:23:02.120 --> 1:23:05.760 of people don't have that situation like where they have 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:08.479 a company where they can actually work at and like 1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:13.320 learn stuff, because like that that will benefit him for 1:23:13.520 --> 1:23:15.760 many years to come. Like it just he's not just 1:23:15.800 --> 1:23:19.120 like working at like CBS or something. Nothing wrong with that, 1:23:19.200 --> 1:23:22.400 but it's like there's like less upward mobility at like 1:23:22.920 --> 1:23:25.760 a CBS versus like your dad's company. You know. 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:27.840 Yeah, I was talking. I was talking to my friends 1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:30.920 about that call, and they were like and and a 1:23:31.000 --> 1:23:32.800 lot of them were like, eh, he should probably like 1:23:33.000 --> 1:23:34.920 see if he can find a job that's more than 1:23:35.000 --> 1:23:38.120 minimum wage or like maybe try going to a trade 1:23:38.160 --> 1:23:42.559 school or like you know, the government has certain programs 1:23:42.560 --> 1:23:44.439 where they're like pay for you to but they were 1:23:44.439 --> 1:23:46.120 again and I was talking to my friends about it, 1:23:46.160 --> 1:23:47.720 and then I was like, oh, maybe you're right. Maybe 1:23:47.720 --> 1:23:51.759 I shouldn't have told him to work for minimum wage. 1:23:51.840 --> 1:23:55.519 But out of comments, I was like, I was like, 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:58.439 well give me, you know, I don't I'm totally to 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:00.400 be happy. No, I was like, I was like, I'm 1:24:00.439 --> 1:24:02.680 happy to be wrong, but I want alternative. 1:24:03.080 --> 1:24:03.280 Yeah. 1:24:03.520 --> 1:24:09.880 It's like do you know the comedian Mark Norman. Yeah, yeah, 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:12.040 First of all, I shouldn't be reading internet comments in 1:24:12.040 --> 1:24:14.640 the first place, but I I listened to Mark. I 1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:16.639 listened to Mark Norman. This is how I feel about 1:24:16.680 --> 1:24:19.720 like internet comments when I read them about myself. Like 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:22.120 Mark Norman was talking on like some podcasts once and 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:24.559 he was like, sometimes I read a comment on my 1:24:24.640 --> 1:24:28.000 stand up and it's like, uh, you know, you suck 1:24:28.040 --> 1:24:30.280 and you're not funny, and I'm like ah or whatever. 1:24:30.640 --> 1:24:33.439 And then sometimes they read a comment that's like this 1:24:33.479 --> 1:24:35.880 guy needs to work on my on his delivery, and 1:24:35.920 --> 1:24:38.160 I'm like, the fuck, maybe I need to work on 1:24:38.160 --> 1:24:41.120 my delivery, you know what I mean? Like something, yeah, exactly, 1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:41.439 you know. 1:24:41.520 --> 1:24:41.720 Yeah. 1:24:42.840 --> 1:24:45.599 Anyway, do you ever, like, do you ever like read comments? 1:24:45.680 --> 1:24:48.160 Or I get off a podcast like this or not 1:24:48.240 --> 1:24:51.800 podcasts or the Twitch stream and like go and like 1:24:51.880 --> 1:24:53.960 have a bunch of motivation to do stuff or is 1:24:54.000 --> 1:24:56.759 it just like you turn an offense, like back to normal. 1:24:57.400 --> 1:25:03.679 Uh lately, well asked, Well, today I gotta do ship. 1:25:03.920 --> 1:25:08.559 But lately I've I've actually I deleted Spotify off of 1:25:08.600 --> 1:25:11.920 my phone so that I don't like check comments. I've 1:25:12.040 --> 1:25:15.080 I deleted Spotify, YouTube, basta, I delete I like, I don't. 1:25:15.120 --> 1:25:19.839 I deleted like Spotify, YouTube, Instagram, TikTok, email, like everything 1:25:19.840 --> 1:25:25.160 off my phone because uh, it's just there's just no it's. 1:25:25.040 --> 1:25:28.200 Just this is Yeah, you just go to her. I 1:25:28.240 --> 1:25:30.800 would too if there's always people like I have a 1:25:30.840 --> 1:25:34.800 little photography Instagram, and anytime I post something, I'm like 1:25:35.360 --> 1:25:38.000 addicted to going back and looking if I got like 1:25:38.360 --> 1:25:40.680 one more like than I did the last time. You know, 1:25:41.840 --> 1:25:44.080 I can't even imagine, like at a bigger scale. 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:48.680 Do you know who doctor k is? Yeah, yeah, the 1:25:48.800 --> 1:25:52.160 healthy gamer guy, right, Yeah, he's dude, He's so awesome. 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:58.560 I was watching, Yeah, I was. I was watching a 1:25:58.680 --> 1:26:03.600 video of his and he was talking about like, you know, 1:26:03.640 --> 1:26:06.040 if you make anything on the Internet, you get kind 1:26:06.080 --> 1:26:09.200 of like addicted. You get addicted to the there's there's 1:26:09.200 --> 1:26:11.439 the whole like there's like a mental roller coaster. Of 1:26:11.520 --> 1:26:14.320 like numbers going up and down and up and down, 1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:17.120 and he's and he was like the worst thing that 1:26:17.160 --> 1:26:21.360 you could do is to just be constantly looking with 1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:24.200 no perpose, like I'm like, and I've not and I 1:26:24.280 --> 1:26:26.240 was doing that, and I was like, oh, I'm just 1:26:27.040 --> 1:26:29.840 I'm just stuck in this weird like dopamine t there's 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:34.720 nothing productive underneath what I'm actually doing. And he's and 1:26:35.000 --> 1:26:37.880 doctor Kay was like set up like one time a 1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:40.880 week to look at the numbers and go in there 1:26:40.920 --> 1:26:46.160 with like an analytical mind because it's one like analytics 1:26:46.160 --> 1:26:49.360 are like analytics are like important in whatever it is 1:26:49.400 --> 1:26:53.639 you do. But if you're if you're just going into 1:26:53.680 --> 1:26:57.479 them to like ride your emotional roller coaster, that's fucking 1:26:57.520 --> 1:27:00.599 stupid because there's nothing you can but if there's nothing 1:27:00.640 --> 1:27:02.519 you can do in the moment. But if you're going 1:27:02.560 --> 1:27:05.719 into them with a pure analytical mindset and go, Okay, 1:27:05.760 --> 1:27:07.800 this is what worked, this is what didn't, and I 1:27:07.840 --> 1:27:10.439 will learn better for next time, then that's nice. But 1:27:10.560 --> 1:27:13.200 anything other than that, you're just riding a stupid roller 1:27:13.200 --> 1:27:14.000 coaster meant to make. 1:27:15.880 --> 1:27:17.320 Exactly absolute. 1:27:18.400 --> 1:27:26.920 Yeah, what's your name again, Chunk? Chunk? Hmmm, Chunk I'm all, 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:32.480 I'm only saying this because I have ADHD, and I understand, 1:27:33.240 --> 1:27:36.040 and I feel like I have a nice understanding of 1:27:36.200 --> 1:27:39.160 the way that your brain has been working from what 1:27:39.160 --> 1:27:42.519 you're telling me. You might you might have ADHD. Dude, 1:27:43.240 --> 1:27:45.000 don't I don't let me tell you, by the way, 1:27:45.000 --> 1:27:46.360 don't let me tell you that. Don't let me tell 1:27:46.360 --> 1:27:51.680 you that I'm I'm telling you. I'm telling you that. No, 1:27:51.760 --> 1:27:53.960 I'm not even I'm not evens No, I'm not I'm 1:27:54.000 --> 1:27:57.479 not a crossing. I'm telling you this just as a homie. Okay, 1:27:57.520 --> 1:27:57.840 you might. 1:27:58.120 --> 1:28:01.559 I know I'm joking. I I I honestly, it's kind 1:28:01.560 --> 1:28:04.000 of funny because I think I've known that in my 1:28:04.120 --> 1:28:06.680 mind for a while. Just like I've been picking up 1:28:06.720 --> 1:28:11.160 on like things I do, like just like my NonStop 1:28:11.800 --> 1:28:15.040 like need to like fidget, Like literally right now I'm walking. 1:28:15.120 --> 1:28:17.800 I paced across my apartment twenty times, and like I 1:28:17.840 --> 1:28:19.920 have a rubber band in my hand like I can't, 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:23.040 like you know, I have to have something at my 1:28:23.080 --> 1:28:25.559 hands at all times or something like that, And just 1:28:25.600 --> 1:28:28.080 like not only that, but like a million other little 1:28:28.120 --> 1:28:30.439 things that I've noticed, so like for you for me 1:28:30.520 --> 1:28:33.519 to come on here and you clock it like pretty quickly. 1:28:33.560 --> 1:28:36.800 I feel like that. You know, that's that's real? 1:28:36.960 --> 1:28:37.519 You know, bro? 1:28:37.640 --> 1:28:39.800 I walk her. I was walking around and I had 1:28:39.800 --> 1:28:42.960 I have sunglasses and I'm just like holding one of 1:28:43.000 --> 1:28:46.000 the sunglass rims and I'm twirling it. I'm like, what 1:28:46.040 --> 1:28:48.120 the fuck am I doing? Or like anytime I have 1:28:48.200 --> 1:28:51.200 a cup, anytime I have a cup, yeah, I must 1:28:51.360 --> 1:28:55.439 just like a plastic cup, I must destroy the cup. 1:28:56.160 --> 1:29:00.599 I don't know why things things I've been doing. These 1:29:00.640 --> 1:29:03.280 are things I've been doing my whole life that I 1:29:03.320 --> 1:29:07.680 never ever even stopped to think about that I was 1:29:07.720 --> 1:29:13.240 doing exactly. Yeah, bro, you have any you know what 1:29:13.360 --> 1:29:16.360 I don't you know what? I professionally diagnosed you know what? 1:29:16.400 --> 1:29:20.240 Fuck every I professionally diagnosed you with ADHD. And if 1:29:20.320 --> 1:29:22.840 you take, if you overdose on vibeance and die, I 1:29:22.880 --> 1:29:27.639 will take medical responsibility for that. You consume me if 1:29:27.640 --> 1:29:30.320 that happened, okay. 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:34.000 My family, My family will be in touch after I 1:29:34.080 --> 1:29:35.679 take two whole models. 1:29:36.479 --> 1:29:38.760 I shouldn't, I shouldn't say any of these things to you, 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:42.160 but I just like, I just so know again, I 1:29:42.360 --> 1:29:45.720 just know exactly what the thing is. So I mean, yeah, bro, 1:29:45.840 --> 1:29:49.160 you I talk. You go talk to a real therapist. 1:29:49.200 --> 1:29:50.719 But yeah, I will. 1:29:50.640 --> 1:29:50.960 I will. 1:29:51.000 --> 1:29:54.560 I'm gonna I'll look at it right after this. But yeah, 1:29:54.200 --> 1:29:57.120 I've been thinking about that for a while. And it's 1:29:57.160 --> 1:30:01.040 also like I think it's definitely a big connection as 1:30:01.080 --> 1:30:03.960 to why like I can't like get myself to do 1:30:04.000 --> 1:30:06.919 anything other than like the thing that you know quiets 1:30:06.920 --> 1:30:08.800 my brain down for a little while. 1:30:09.439 --> 1:30:09.640 You know. 1:30:11.920 --> 1:30:15.360 And yeah, but also like on another note, like I've 1:30:15.400 --> 1:30:18.760 had this weird feeling I just want I don't know 1:30:18.800 --> 1:30:21.120 if you want to, if you don't mind if I 1:30:21.120 --> 1:30:26.559 bring something else up or not. I've I moved to 1:30:26.600 --> 1:30:29.680 the city here in Pennsylvania, and it's like kind of 1:30:29.720 --> 1:30:32.960 like always was my like dream to do it, you know, 1:30:33.880 --> 1:30:36.720 like not this particular city. I mean it's east and 1:30:36.720 --> 1:30:38.320 I don't know why I don't need to it's not 1:30:38.479 --> 1:30:40.640 a big well, it's a kind of big city. But 1:30:41.080 --> 1:30:43.360 it's like always was my dream to like live in 1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:45.080 like a city and be able to walk and like 1:30:45.160 --> 1:30:48.400 do all this stuff. And it's like I don't I 1:30:49.520 --> 1:30:51.519 do it. Sometimes it's just like I feel like so 1:30:51.680 --> 1:30:53.519 out of place. I feel like that's going to be 1:30:53.600 --> 1:30:56.720 like the same way I feel like when I'm traveling 1:30:56.800 --> 1:31:00.680 to like, I feel like I'm like a still even 1:31:00.680 --> 1:31:02.800 though I've loved care for like six months. Now, do 1:31:02.880 --> 1:31:04.920 you ever get that feeling like when you're traveling or 1:31:04.920 --> 1:31:07.760 like doing living somewhere or something like that. 1:31:08.439 --> 1:31:10.120 Yeah, I mean, is that not the point though? 1:31:11.760 --> 1:31:14.160 That's true? I don't know. Yeah. I think I just 1:31:14.240 --> 1:31:17.559 have this like unrealistic expectation that I'm gonna like be 1:31:17.680 --> 1:31:23.120 a local immediately or something like that. But yeah, I 1:31:23.200 --> 1:31:25.439 mean that's a good that's a good way of framing it. 1:31:25.760 --> 1:31:28.760 Well, I mean, I I'll say this like, if you 1:31:28.920 --> 1:31:32.519 can there's a I mean, if you want to have 1:31:32.560 --> 1:31:36.840 a more I guess authentic experience, Like, there's a billion 1:31:36.840 --> 1:31:39.280 ways to do it. I mean instead of like like 1:31:39.360 --> 1:31:42.320 instead of like getting a hotel or something, you can 1:31:42.720 --> 1:31:47.200 go on CouchSurfing dot com, or you could stay at 1:31:47.240 --> 1:31:50.760 like a hostel, or you could like there's a lot 1:31:50.840 --> 1:31:53.439 like there's there's there's cooler ways to do it than 1:31:53.600 --> 1:31:57.240 like just getting at a hotel. 1:31:57.479 --> 1:32:03.120 Yeah, in the hotel yeah yeah, yeah, Okay, yeah, I'll 1:32:03.120 --> 1:32:06.200 look at that whenever I whenever I get my trip planned. 1:32:07.280 --> 1:32:14.160 Chun Yep, I've genuinely really enjoyed having this conversation with you. 1:32:15.240 --> 1:32:17.880 Thank you all. I've been listening for like I think 1:32:17.920 --> 1:32:20.839 like four or five years now, but basically since you've started. 1:32:21.960 --> 1:32:22.320 I love it. 1:32:22.400 --> 1:32:25.439 I love this podcast kick ass. Thank you man. M 1:32:26.400 --> 1:32:29.240 mm hmmm. Did let me know what you're fucking do? 1:32:29.240 --> 1:32:31.800 You go see a real fucking thing and then let 1:32:31.800 --> 1:32:36.120 me know if what they say, I'm curious. 1:32:35.040 --> 1:32:37.719 I'll instagram DM you okay? 1:32:37.760 --> 1:32:38.000 Cool? 1:32:38.200 --> 1:32:39.840 Whenever I whenever I go. 1:32:40.439 --> 1:32:42.240 Chunk, is there anything else I say? Is there anything 1:32:42.240 --> 1:32:43.639 else you wanna say to the people of the computer 1:32:43.760 --> 1:32:45.920 before we go? 1:32:45.920 --> 1:32:46.080 Go? 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:46.880 Eagles? 1:32:47.200 --> 1:32:48.479 Uh? 1:32:48.640 --> 1:32:52.519 I I really always thought about what I would say, 1:32:52.560 --> 1:32:54.240 and that's only the only thing that ever came to 1:32:54.320 --> 1:32:54.679 my mind. 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:57.920 So go Eagles, beautiful, See you later, Chunk. 1:32:59.280 --> 1:32:59.960 Yeah bye. 1:33:03.439 --> 1:33:08.320 That was cool. I liked that conversation a lot because, yeah, 1:33:08.360 --> 1:33:14.040 I don't know sometimes like I mean, yeah, I'm like 1:33:14.280 --> 1:33:17.519 it is, dude, It is so funny because that guy 1:33:17.560 --> 1:33:21.519 is twenty two and I I I didn't clock that 1:33:21.720 --> 1:33:26.000 it wasn't normal to just destroy a cup that you 1:33:26.080 --> 1:33:28.400 have in your hand, or like chew on pens and 1:33:28.439 --> 1:33:33.320 destroy them or twirl with like I'm always fidgeting, And 1:33:33.360 --> 1:33:38.719 it was such a part of my life that I 1:33:38.760 --> 1:33:42.240 didn't even know it wasn't normal. That's a that's a trap. 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:44.200 I think you can kind of get in with this 1:33:44.280 --> 1:33:48.240 kind of shit. And I'm just realizing this, like I 1:33:48.280 --> 1:33:51.040 only I only came to these realizations. Like again, like 1:33:51.640 --> 1:33:54.240 a month ago. I'm twenty seven, this guy's twenty two, 1:33:54.880 --> 1:33:58.559 So like I do, I think that that'd be that's 1:33:58.640 --> 1:34:02.080 kind of a nice gift to like, because you're the 1:34:02.120 --> 1:34:05.200 only one, like like like you're the only person with 1:34:05.280 --> 1:34:09.439 you one hundred percent of the time, so you don't 1:34:09.479 --> 1:34:11.719 have and unless if like your friend, like you don't 1:34:11.720 --> 1:34:19.120 have that much data to know if your thoughts and 1:34:19.160 --> 1:34:23.960 behaviors are quote unquote normal. And then every once in 1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:25.840 a while you're like, oh, this thing that was so 1:34:26.000 --> 1:34:29.640 intuitive to me is not what everyone doesn't do that 1:34:31.680 --> 1:34:36.000 you know, this is helpful information to have. Hi, Hello, Hi, 1:34:36.040 --> 1:34:36.639 what's your name? 1:34:37.240 --> 1:34:37.800 June Bug? 1:34:38.280 --> 1:34:41.439 June Bug, june Bug. This is this is not going 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:45.840 to interest you or anyone listening to this, But there 1:34:45.960 --> 1:34:50.200 is a super Smash Brother's melee player named Junebug who 1:34:50.280 --> 1:34:53.680 is revitalizing the game right now because he's proving that 1:34:53.720 --> 1:34:58.040 Donkey Kong can actually be used as a competitively viable 1:34:58.160 --> 1:35:00.040 character to win tournaments. Do you know that? 1:35:02.080 --> 1:35:04.400 No, that kind of sounded like an ad. 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:10.200 That sounded like an ad. It did, you know what? Good? 1:35:10.240 --> 1:35:12.719 I hope, I hope you know what? It was an ad. 1:35:13.160 --> 1:35:15.320 I hope that whoever listens to the ad I just 1:35:15.360 --> 1:35:21.400 did is compelled to go watch Junebug play Donkey Kong 1:35:22.240 --> 1:35:26.880 on YouTube. Anyway, what's up? June Bug has life. 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:36.680 There's a lot going on, but it's good. Kind of No, 1:35:36.880 --> 1:35:39.719 I just kind of wanted to talk about how my 1:35:39.720 --> 1:35:42.920 my dad just got married to my stepmom and you're 1:35:42.960 --> 1:35:44.519 all on the beach and we went to a bar 1:35:45.000 --> 1:35:49.000 and my new step uncle flirted with me really bad. 1:35:49.280 --> 1:35:54.720 He said that he wanted me, so, yeah, I got 1:35:54.720 --> 1:35:57.160 to figure out how to tell my husband and my. 1:35:57.160 --> 1:36:02.920 Step mom your step wait step uncle, hold on, that's 1:36:02.960 --> 1:36:04.400 your my new step. 1:36:04.280 --> 1:36:07.880 Uncle, my new stepmom's younger brother. 1:36:08.240 --> 1:36:11.120 Okay, so your new stepmom's younger brother. He was flirting 1:36:11.120 --> 1:36:11.360 with you. 1:36:13.200 --> 1:36:15.960 Yeah, we were all at the bar and he was 1:36:16.000 --> 1:36:20.960 getting increasingly touchy, and I had another family member like 1:36:21.040 --> 1:36:23.240 get me out of it. But that was whenever all 1:36:23.280 --> 1:36:26.920 the other all the other family left because my dad 1:36:26.960 --> 1:36:29.320 and my step mom went to go on their honeymoon, 1:36:30.600 --> 1:36:34.760 and he was like touching on my waist, grabbing me, 1:36:35.040 --> 1:36:37.400 and I had to just remove myself from the situation. 1:36:37.960 --> 1:36:41.000 But we were all driving together and on the drive home, 1:36:41.240 --> 1:36:43.960 I asked if anyone wanted to Taco Bell and he 1:36:44.040 --> 1:36:48.040 said that he wanted me, And I'm like, oh, okay, 1:36:48.800 --> 1:36:50.479 who is do you? 1:36:50.920 --> 1:36:55.640 Did you? Was this this guy's like first time meeting you. 1:36:55.680 --> 1:36:58.679 No, I've known him for about six years, and then 1:36:58.760 --> 1:37:00.799 he did he he knows that I'm married. 1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:04.040 Wait, so you've known this dude for six years and 1:37:04.080 --> 1:37:06.960 then all of a sudden he just starts flirting with you. 1:37:08.880 --> 1:37:11.439 Yeah, well, he was supposed to get married this year, 1:37:11.479 --> 1:37:14.800 and I think my dad's weddings set him off. And 1:37:14.960 --> 1:37:19.479 my husband's deployed, so I think it was just a 1:37:19.520 --> 1:37:23.639 mix of like alcohol feelings and then oh, her husband's 1:37:23.680 --> 1:37:27.000 not here, let me get my move in. But I 1:37:27.040 --> 1:37:29.200 need to figure out a way. Well I'm gonna tell 1:37:29.200 --> 1:37:32.080 my stepmom obviously, but I got to figure out a 1:37:32.080 --> 1:37:34.519 way to tell my husband because he's deployed, but I 1:37:34.560 --> 1:37:36.600 don't want him to freak out. I talked to my 1:37:36.640 --> 1:37:38.880 mother in law already. She knows all about this, but 1:37:38.960 --> 1:37:40.760 I'm like, I don't really know how to tell him 1:37:40.760 --> 1:37:44.160 without freaking out because where he's at, she's kind of 1:37:44.160 --> 1:37:45.080 popping off, and. 1:37:45.000 --> 1:37:50.559 I don't want to give him why. Well, wait, that's 1:37:50.560 --> 1:37:52.920 a stupid question. I guess I was gonna ask, why 1:37:52.960 --> 1:37:55.040 would your husband freak out? But that's a stupid question. 1:37:55.160 --> 1:37:58.400 Why why? I'm I'm trying to understand more about why 1:37:58.640 --> 1:38:00.559 you're hesitant about telling you your husband. 1:38:02.120 --> 1:38:06.720 Well, so my husband was cheated on before, on his 1:38:06.840 --> 1:38:09.840 last deployment, before I met him, and I talked to 1:38:10.040 --> 1:38:12.240 my mother in law about it, and she's like, well, 1:38:12.280 --> 1:38:14.040 you should probably, you know, you should tell him, but 1:38:14.080 --> 1:38:20.640 you should wait until after he's back home. But he 1:38:20.640 --> 1:38:28.799 he's very protective of our relationship due to his prior 1:38:30.439 --> 1:38:31.680 being being cheat on. 1:38:31.720 --> 1:38:31.960 Friar. 1:38:34.040 --> 1:38:37.320 Okay, so when you say you're worried, he'll freak out, 1:38:37.400 --> 1:38:39.720 like what what is that? 1:38:41.720 --> 1:38:45.640 I don't want family situations to be fucking weird, you know, 1:38:45.840 --> 1:38:48.479 because well we're a. 1:38:48.400 --> 1:38:52.240 Little we're a little past that. We're a little past 1:38:52.280 --> 1:38:56.040 to family situations being weird. We're we're there. 1:38:57.840 --> 1:39:03.000 Yeah, that's very true. It's if I know him, If 1:39:05.280 --> 1:39:10.280 I I don't want, you know, the next Thanksgiving or 1:39:10.360 --> 1:39:14.360 Christmas or you know, we always you know, go to 1:39:16.120 --> 1:39:18.840 my stepmom's house, her family's house, so my I guess 1:39:18.920 --> 1:39:25.920 my new step grandparents for the fucking what's the football tournament? 1:39:25.920 --> 1:39:30.360 I don't know nothing about football. It's Super Bowl? Yeah, yeah, 1:39:30.800 --> 1:39:33.880 And I don't want to go there and just have 1:39:34.040 --> 1:39:36.320 this tension. And I know it's not my fault. I 1:39:36.320 --> 1:39:38.760 shouldn't be worried, but it's like, fuck, I know. I 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:41.160 know my husband would try to fight a motherfucker. I 1:39:41.200 --> 1:39:44.360 know he would, So I'm like, I don't want to 1:39:44.400 --> 1:39:49.160 avoid that. But I think I am past that. I 1:39:49.160 --> 1:39:53.160 think we are past that. I don't know. I do 1:39:53.320 --> 1:39:57.040 have a therapy appointment coming up this Tuesday, so maybe 1:39:57.040 --> 1:40:01.000 I should talk to my actual therapist about that and. 1:40:01.000 --> 1:40:05.160 Not well, sure, yeah, of course, I don't know. 1:40:05.240 --> 1:40:09.559 That's just fucking weird because I don't know. Maybe this 1:40:09.680 --> 1:40:13.320 is less about like asking for advice, but like those 1:40:13.360 --> 1:40:15.040 feelings don't just come out of nowhere? 1:40:15.080 --> 1:40:17.080 Do they want? 1:40:17.439 --> 1:40:22.800 Like wanting to feelings the feelings that your I don't 1:40:22.800 --> 1:40:24.960 know what's going on. I don't know why. I don't 1:40:25.000 --> 1:40:28.360 know why your step uncle, Yeah, I don't. I don't. 1:40:28.479 --> 1:40:33.519 I don't know why your step uncle. Uh was was weird? Yeah? 1:40:33.560 --> 1:40:35.559 It is, it is weird. I'm I guess. 1:40:35.760 --> 1:40:35.920 Yeah. 1:40:36.000 --> 1:40:40.479 The part of this that I'm I'm curious about is 1:40:40.520 --> 1:40:44.320 again like the thing, the thing where you're worried about 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:47.920 your husband, like freaking out because did anyone? I guess 1:40:47.920 --> 1:40:50.200 what I'm curious is like, did any you told your 1:40:50.240 --> 1:40:54.599 mother in law? Right? Not mother? Wait? Mother in law? Wait, 1:40:54.640 --> 1:40:57.080 not your step moms. 1:40:57.520 --> 1:40:58.400 I haven't told her. 1:40:58.880 --> 1:41:02.520 You even told your step mom. 1:41:01.240 --> 1:41:03.040 Because she's on her honeymoon and I don't want to 1:41:03.120 --> 1:41:05.360 ruin it, but I am going to tell her. 1:41:05.680 --> 1:41:08.639 Okay because Friday. 1:41:09.160 --> 1:41:11.280 Because here's the thing, right is if is if we're 1:41:11.280 --> 1:41:14.400 going to keep doing super Bowls together and we're gonna 1:41:14.479 --> 1:41:19.800 keep doing Thanksgivings together, you know someone's someone's got to 1:41:19.840 --> 1:41:24.400 tell uh the step uncle, Like, yo, you gotta not 1:41:24.800 --> 1:41:25.120 do that. 1:41:27.040 --> 1:41:32.760 Yeah. So I don't know. I only see him a 1:41:32.760 --> 1:41:35.400 handful of times a year, so like I could definitely 1:41:35.439 --> 1:41:39.360 avoid him. It's just he I've also so, my husband 1:41:39.400 --> 1:41:42.639 and I are married. We looked for his deployment and 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:47.080 later this summer we're actually planning a wedding party and 1:41:47.120 --> 1:41:48.240 he's already invited. 1:41:49.840 --> 1:41:50.720 He's invited. 1:41:52.320 --> 1:41:55.800 Well yeah, they're like, they're all my family, Like, you know, 1:41:55.920 --> 1:41:59.080 I love my stepmother, you know, and I'm like, fuck, 1:41:59.120 --> 1:42:02.680 should I in our life like talk to him and 1:42:02.720 --> 1:42:05.200 be like, sorry, you're not invited anymore, but the. 1:42:05.120 --> 1:42:07.200 Rest of your well, I well, here's the question. Here's 1:42:07.200 --> 1:42:09.479 the question. Here's the question. Here's the question. And this 1:42:09.600 --> 1:42:13.600 is is I mean, after this all went down, the 1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:15.880 do you want him there? If you don't want him there, 1:42:15.960 --> 1:42:19.439 then I mean, yeah, yeah, you don't want him there. 1:42:20.800 --> 1:42:26.479 No, but here, So they're all close. And the thing is, 1:42:26.560 --> 1:42:30.639 so my step mom she's she has her brother, which 1:42:30.640 --> 1:42:32.920 is a twin, and then she has a younger set 1:42:32.960 --> 1:42:35.759 of another set of brothers that are also twin brothers. 1:42:36.040 --> 1:42:38.200 It'll be weird if I invite one twin but not 1:42:38.280 --> 1:42:41.120 the other because I'm friends with the twin. I don't know, 1:42:41.160 --> 1:42:43.200 it's like some sort of like twin. They don't go 1:42:43.240 --> 1:42:44.280 anywhere without each other. 1:42:44.800 --> 1:42:48.320 Yeah, but yeah yeah, but like I mean, look, this 1:42:48.360 --> 1:42:53.439 guy clearly you know, overstepped uh his boundaries, right, and 1:42:53.520 --> 1:42:55.719 if you want and if you don't, and if because 1:42:55.720 --> 1:43:00.400 of that you don't want him at your fucking wedding. 1:43:01.160 --> 1:43:04.320 You know, that's that's an L. He's got to hold, 1:43:05.400 --> 1:43:07.200 you know, it's not like and also, look, is he 1:43:07.240 --> 1:43:09.559 really gonna is he? That's it? That's just that's just 1:43:09.600 --> 1:43:11.840 an L. You gotta hold. You gotta be like, hey man, 1:43:11.880 --> 1:43:14.160 look you were that was kind of weird. So I'm 1:43:14.160 --> 1:43:15.600 not gonna write you to the wedding. What's he gonna do? 1:43:15.640 --> 1:43:16.599 Be mad about that? 1:43:19.080 --> 1:43:23.639 I hope he does. He deserves it, to be honest. 1:43:25.479 --> 1:43:27.639 Yeah, I get well, I understand from you. I understand. 1:43:27.720 --> 1:43:33.040 Also that also opens a whole can of worms. Because 1:43:33.040 --> 1:43:34.880 I want to keep this on the down low. I'd 1:43:34.960 --> 1:43:40.000 rather just, you know, tell my husband, tell my step mother, 1:43:40.479 --> 1:43:42.880 you know, have you know, have my stepmother have a 1:43:42.960 --> 1:43:47.120 talk with my new uncle. Oh god, And you don't 1:43:47.160 --> 1:43:54.040 want it to be yes, but you're not interested in him. Yeah, 1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:56.599 if I don't invite him to my wedding, which he's 1:43:56.640 --> 1:44:01.080 already invited. I already sent out invitations, it'd be kind 1:44:01.080 --> 1:44:05.759 of weird. I don't know. That'll just invite attention and drama. 1:44:06.040 --> 1:44:11.519 And you're balancing. I I see, okay, no, one hundred 1:44:11.520 --> 1:44:15.719 see what you're saying. You're balancing, like I don't want 1:44:15.720 --> 1:44:18.679 to have this guy at my wedding, versus I want 1:44:18.920 --> 1:44:22.240 the path of lease resistance. You don't want to You're 1:44:22.280 --> 1:44:26.920 not interested in like stirring up the family dynamics. You 1:44:26.920 --> 1:44:29.439 don't want to deal with the drama of the fucking 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:31.960 whole thing. You don't want to stir the pot. You 1:44:32.000 --> 1:44:33.880 just want to have your wedding and not think about 1:44:33.920 --> 1:44:36.719 any crap. And you just you want you're you're you're 1:44:36.720 --> 1:44:40.960 interested in taking the path of least resistance. Oh, of course, 1:44:41.280 --> 1:44:46.679 of course that's understandable. Yeah, let's understand. That's totally understand. 1:44:46.720 --> 1:44:49.240 It's totally you know, listen, here's the thing. If if 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:51.880 you told me that you wanted to wage war on 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:55.280 this guy, or or if you told me you wanted 1:44:55.320 --> 1:45:02.559 to take the path of leaks resistance, both both valid 1:45:02.640 --> 1:45:08.000 ways of going about your life. 1:45:07.080 --> 1:45:12.200 I get. This is just a really tricky situation because 1:45:12.240 --> 1:45:16.120 I also have to take uh, my dad's new marriage 1:45:16.280 --> 1:45:20.080 into account, because what if my dad, you know, he's 1:45:20.080 --> 1:45:21.880 not this type of person, but what if he gets 1:45:21.880 --> 1:45:25.000 super fucking pissed off at him, and you know, the 1:45:25.040 --> 1:45:28.640 family dynamic in between you know, his new wife and 1:45:28.760 --> 1:45:32.840 his brother in law is strained it's just I just 1:45:32.840 --> 1:45:35.200 wish it never fucking happened. It's just so. 1:45:38.360 --> 1:45:41.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it's a it's a it's a 1:45:41.960 --> 1:45:45.160 shitty position for you to be in, and now you're 1:45:45.520 --> 1:45:46.960 you have to deal with it, You have to figure 1:45:46.960 --> 1:45:48.559 out how to deal with it, and you just don't 1:45:48.560 --> 1:45:50.720 even want to have ever even have to deal with 1:45:50.760 --> 1:45:52.240 it in the first place, which sucks. 1:45:53.960 --> 1:45:57.360 Mm hm HMMMMO. 1:45:59.000 --> 1:46:01.000 But I don't know. I I guess, like, yeah, I guess, 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:03.120 I get I get wanting to take the path of 1:46:03.200 --> 1:46:07.360 least resistance, But at some point someone's gotta sit, sit 1:46:07.439 --> 1:46:10.280 the guy down and be like, yo, you can't do that. 1:46:12.400 --> 1:46:14.360 Because my thing is like, what if you know I 1:46:14.439 --> 1:46:18.519 wasn't family. You know, he was really touchy and up front, 1:46:18.800 --> 1:46:20.799 you know, if I wasn't family, is this a problem 1:46:20.880 --> 1:46:23.479 that's happened before with another woman and you know we 1:46:23.600 --> 1:46:26.160 just didn't know it. I don't want a whole family intervention. 1:46:26.280 --> 1:46:29.640 But I just really appreciate my step mom. You know, 1:46:30.280 --> 1:46:33.439 she's the older sister, you know, putting on her big 1:46:33.479 --> 1:46:36.800 sister voice and you know, laying down the law. 1:46:38.040 --> 1:46:43.519 Mm hmm. So here's what I guess. I sorry, go ahead, 1:46:43.600 --> 1:46:47.080 you more to say, go ahead. Well, I guess what 1:46:47.280 --> 1:46:49.640 my thoughts about this are like, because you're in a 1:46:49.680 --> 1:46:51.960 situation where you're like, I just wish I was never 1:46:52.000 --> 1:46:54.280 in this situation. I don't want to deal with any 1:46:54.280 --> 1:46:57.479 of this crap like I don't like and then and 1:46:57.680 --> 1:46:59.840 and when you're in a situation like that, the path 1:46:59.880 --> 1:47:04.719 of least resistance is the is is very attractive path. 1:47:06.520 --> 1:47:08.479 So look, I'll say here's here's the thing. I'll say 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:18.040 this whatever, here's what I would say, whatever way of 1:47:18.120 --> 1:47:25.000 moving forward in this situation brings you personally the most 1:47:25.160 --> 1:47:30.880 amount of peace. Huh. And I don't know which way 1:47:30.920 --> 1:47:33.400 that is, because I'm not you, and this is however 1:47:33.439 --> 1:47:35.679 you want to run your life. But I would say, 1:47:35.720 --> 1:47:39.880 whatever way of running this situation brings you personally the 1:47:39.920 --> 1:47:43.120 most amount of peace, if that's the one you want 1:47:43.160 --> 1:47:45.960 to take. Again, I don't know which what that is, 1:47:46.200 --> 1:47:49.880 because your decision, it's your thing to think about. But uh, 1:47:50.439 --> 1:47:52.840 I think I think it's a valid decision to make. 1:47:53.200 --> 1:47:55.519 It's a valid it's a valid thing to make. Whatever 1:47:55.600 --> 1:47:59.200 decision gives you the most peace personally, whatever decision that is, 1:47:59.600 --> 1:48:00.960 that's that's that's kind of what I think. 1:48:03.280 --> 1:48:08.400 Yeah, It's just I'm kind of stuck in limbo. Now. 1:48:08.439 --> 1:48:12.800 That's why I ask, because this will all change as 1:48:12.800 --> 1:48:15.160 soon as, you know, my stepmom gets back from you know, 1:48:15.240 --> 1:48:18.040 her honeymoon and they actually have a conversation with her 1:48:18.080 --> 1:48:20.519 about it. It's just I'm just stuck in limbo right now. 1:48:20.520 --> 1:48:24.000 I know there's an end in sight. It just sucks waiting. 1:48:25.360 --> 1:48:27.439 How long is your husband deployed for. 1:48:29.439 --> 1:48:32.639 He's deployed for nine months and we're in the home 1:48:32.760 --> 1:48:37.760 stretch right now, so he's coming home soon. It's just 1:48:38.960 --> 1:48:45.040 I can't disclose exactly where he is, but he's summer 1:48:45.720 --> 1:48:51.479 very hot and is the political pisi there is not good. 1:48:52.240 --> 1:48:54.280 So it's also like he's dealing with a lot of 1:48:54.360 --> 1:48:57.799 stress there, and it's like, fuck, I don't want another 1:48:57.840 --> 1:48:58.639 thing on his plate. 1:49:00.400 --> 1:49:05.280 Mm hmm yeah. Well, like I like, here's like at 1:49:05.280 --> 1:49:07.960 the very I'm sorry that this this is suck. This 1:49:08.040 --> 1:49:10.360 sucks that this is stressing all of you. You ate 1:49:10.479 --> 1:49:15.600 like you shouldn't be the one to be bearing the 1:49:15.640 --> 1:49:19.920 brunt of all the stress of the situation, you know 1:49:19.960 --> 1:49:22.040 what I mean? Like, if you want, like again, I 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:29.000 just you if you want to like, how do I 1:49:29.040 --> 1:49:32.120 say this? Like you just because you're sitting here like, oh, 1:49:32.400 --> 1:49:34.479 I'm in this situation and I don't want to stare 1:49:34.520 --> 1:49:36.160 the family drama. I don't want my husband to get 1:49:36.240 --> 1:49:40.000 up sat like I I if if you can, this 1:49:40.120 --> 1:49:44.800 might be like I really I hope this doesn't sound 1:49:44.840 --> 1:49:53.360 like reductive, but like do you, like you like you're 1:49:53.400 --> 1:49:57.360 allowed to shed the stress, you know, if you if 1:49:57.400 --> 1:50:01.440 you I really hope, I really hope this isn't sound reductive, 1:50:01.600 --> 1:50:07.720 but like if you you're allowed to like decide that 1:50:07.800 --> 1:50:12.880 you're not gonna let this stress you out and just 1:50:12.960 --> 1:50:14.840 be and just like live your life if that's what 1:50:14.880 --> 1:50:18.280 you want to do, you know, is that does that 1:50:18.320 --> 1:50:18.800 make sense? 1:50:20.479 --> 1:50:24.400 Do you mean as like don't tell anyone or just. 1:50:24.280 --> 1:50:26.120 Like no, no, that's that's not that's not. 1:50:29.880 --> 1:50:35.040 M Is this like a more living let go type deal, like, 1:50:35.120 --> 1:50:37.680 oh what happened? It sucks, but I gotta move on 1:50:37.800 --> 1:50:38.320 with my life. 1:50:38.320 --> 1:50:47.559 It's in the past, not necessarily, no, but again for you, 1:50:47.640 --> 1:50:50.400 like okay, like it's just what I said earlier, Like 1:50:50.560 --> 1:50:53.799 I I think I think you shouldn't be the one 1:50:53.960 --> 1:50:57.000 to like deal with the stress of the situation and 1:50:57.200 --> 1:50:59.840 whatever decision because look, I mean for some people It's 1:50:59.880 --> 1:51:02.280 like if you were to be if you were like, no, 1:51:02.439 --> 1:51:07.200 I want to like confront my my my steck, my 1:51:07.200 --> 1:51:09.599 step uncle about this. I want to tell the family. 1:51:09.760 --> 1:51:11.519 I want to deal with other things, and like that's 1:51:11.560 --> 1:51:14.360 what's gooding Like doing that is what's gonna let me 1:51:14.439 --> 1:51:17.400 sleep at night, you know, that's what's gonna be the 1:51:17.479 --> 1:51:20.280 less the least stressful thing for me. Right, So like 1:51:20.360 --> 1:51:23.960 that could be for you the way of handling the 1:51:24.000 --> 1:51:28.719 situation that is that again helps you sleep the best 1:51:28.760 --> 1:51:31.200 and is the least makes you less stressed in the 1:51:31.240 --> 1:51:34.120 long run. Right, I don't and I don't. I don't 1:51:34.120 --> 1:51:35.559 know you, and I don't know your brain, and I 1:51:35.560 --> 1:51:37.320 don't know how you think about ship, but like think 1:51:37.360 --> 1:51:40.080 about like I would, I would just throw all my 1:51:40.120 --> 1:51:42.719 options on the table and go which in the long 1:51:42.880 --> 1:51:47.479 what in the long term helps me, he gives me 1:51:47.520 --> 1:51:49.240 the less amount of stress in the long term. Or 1:51:49.320 --> 1:51:51.200 you could be like or if you wanted to, you 1:51:51.240 --> 1:51:53.240 could be like, look, I just I'm just gonna fucking 1:51:53.400 --> 1:51:58.479 like minimize my interactions with this fucking guy over the years, 1:51:58.520 --> 1:52:00.240 and I'm gonna not think about it, and I'm to 1:52:00.560 --> 1:52:03.240 my husband's gonna come back and we're gonna live our 1:52:03.280 --> 1:52:06.479 lives together, and I'm just gonna whatever not make this 1:52:06.520 --> 1:52:08.920 whole thing, and maybe maybe that's what helps you sleep 1:52:09.120 --> 1:52:12.719 at night more, you know. But I'm just saying that's 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:17.759 the lens. That is the lens through which I would 1:52:18.280 --> 1:52:21.040 look at all of your options. I'm not telling you. 1:52:21.080 --> 1:52:23.000 I'm not gonna I'm not going to tell you to 1:52:23.040 --> 1:52:24.760 live and let live because I'm not and i'm not 1:52:25.680 --> 1:52:28.400 you know, I'm I'm not. I don't that's I'm not 1:52:28.400 --> 1:52:31.080 gonna give you advice on what exactly you should do. 1:52:31.479 --> 1:52:35.040 But I will say that as you're looking, as you're 1:52:35.120 --> 1:52:37.280 kind of thinking about, oh I could maybe I'll do 1:52:37.280 --> 1:52:39.479 it like that, the lens through which I would look 1:52:39.479 --> 1:52:42.160 at all those options is, well, what's gonna give me 1:52:43.000 --> 1:52:50.080 the most piece? I would say, Okay, okay, does that 1:52:50.080 --> 1:52:50.479 make sense? 1:52:50.479 --> 1:52:57.960 Well, yeah, yeah, this is it's already I've already I'm 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:00.479 going to therapy on Tuesday. This is something I'm definitely 1:53:00.520 --> 1:53:06.639 unpacking with my therapist. So we'll see what's the best 1:53:07.120 --> 1:53:13.400 decision is. I don't know. My my mother in law, 1:53:13.479 --> 1:53:17.840 my husband's mother kind of just wants to sweep it 1:53:18.040 --> 1:53:22.719 under the rug and not do anything, but I'm like, oh, 1:53:22.800 --> 1:53:25.519 I don't really know, and I have right right, right, right, 1:53:25.600 --> 1:53:29.440 So there's just a lot of different avenues. 1:53:30.000 --> 1:53:32.960 Okay, So if your mother in law says that okay, 1:53:33.000 --> 1:53:34.679 and then it's like how does that make you feel? 1:53:34.920 --> 1:53:36.840 Does that make you be like okay? Like when your 1:53:36.840 --> 1:53:41.519 mother in law says that, do you do you feel okay? Great? Hoof? 1:53:41.680 --> 1:53:43.080 I don't want to deal with any of this crap 1:53:43.280 --> 1:53:47.120 or do you feel like that doesn't sit right with me? 1:53:47.400 --> 1:53:49.479 You know? And I don't. I don't know the answer 1:53:49.520 --> 1:53:51.840 to that, but like that's an important that's an important 1:53:51.880 --> 1:53:57.160 feeling to like recognize, you know, like which what what 1:53:57.160 --> 1:54:00.479 what option is going to make you go okay? Cool? 1:54:00.920 --> 1:54:01.120 You know? 1:54:02.560 --> 1:54:07.920 M hm No, I felt guilt because my thing is, 1:54:08.000 --> 1:54:11.240 even though it might you know, pain my husband to 1:54:11.320 --> 1:54:14.760 hear it, I believe in like a completely honest relationship 1:54:14.800 --> 1:54:23.240 with open communication. So I don't know. I don't know. Uh, 1:54:23.280 --> 1:54:27.240 I'm kind of on the I don't want to start 1:54:27.280 --> 1:54:28.200 a family pot. 1:54:28.040 --> 1:54:32.560 But like tell, well, can I tell can I say 1:54:32.600 --> 1:54:36.360 this to also? Like again, I'm whatever whatever it is 1:54:37.600 --> 1:54:40.000 that you decide to do moving forward. When you tell 1:54:40.040 --> 1:54:41.960 your husband, I know that you're saying that, like your 1:54:42.000 --> 1:54:46.800 husband is like a hot head guy. But like with 1:54:46.880 --> 1:54:50.560 your husband, when he comes back and you decide whether 1:54:50.640 --> 1:54:54.760 whether you know, like let's say, let's say you tell 1:54:54.800 --> 1:54:58.520 him about it, right and he goes Let's say let's 1:54:58.520 --> 1:55:00.400 say you tell him about it, and and you're like, 1:55:00.520 --> 1:55:03.160 I'm fucking pissed off with this guy. Fucking and then 1:55:03.160 --> 1:55:05.160 your husband's like, yeah, fuck this guy, and your husband 1:55:05.200 --> 1:55:07.360 like whatever. But let's say you tell him about it, 1:55:07.480 --> 1:55:10.320 and then and then you're like, hey, this happens, but 1:55:10.480 --> 1:55:13.680 I just I it would make me feel the most 1:55:13.720 --> 1:55:17.520 peaceful to not make it a big deal, like what whatever, 1:55:18.120 --> 1:55:21.560 whatever way that you want to go about it, your 1:55:21.720 --> 1:55:27.720 husband should be supportive of you. So if you go 1:55:27.960 --> 1:55:29.640 and you say, I don't want to make a big 1:55:29.640 --> 1:55:31.400 deal out of it, your husband should be like, Okay, 1:55:31.560 --> 1:55:34.120 I respect that, I respect your decision to go about 1:55:34.160 --> 1:55:37.000 whatever the fuck got to do this. I mean, he's 1:55:37.000 --> 1:55:41.360 gonna have his own opinions about shit, of course, and 1:55:41.400 --> 1:55:45.880 it's up to you whether or not you wanna take him. 1:55:46.800 --> 1:55:50.360 But like your husband, whatever, again, whatever you decide is 1:55:50.400 --> 1:55:52.400 the thing that makes the way about going about the 1:55:52.400 --> 1:55:54.920 situation that makes you feel the most peaceful. I think 1:55:55.040 --> 1:56:00.680 your husband should uh be supportive of view and when 1:56:00.680 --> 1:56:05.720 whatever that decision is, I would say that's I think 1:56:05.760 --> 1:56:09.920 that's a healthy relationship. But I also I don't I 1:56:09.920 --> 1:56:12.400 could be wrong. Maybe maybe maybe it's healthier for him 1:56:12.440 --> 1:56:16.400 to challenge. I don't know. I'm I'm I'm I'm a gecko. 1:56:18.880 --> 1:56:28.840 No, he he is a hot head, but his his 1:56:28.960 --> 1:56:32.600 initial reaction would be anger, not necessary, no, not at me, 1:56:33.360 --> 1:56:36.800 but like anger in general. But I know him, and 1:56:36.920 --> 1:56:38.360 he took an hour or two to cool off, and 1:56:38.360 --> 1:56:42.400 he'll be okay. He respects my decisions. Okay, he knows, 1:56:42.600 --> 1:56:44.040 he knows that I'm the boss of the house. 1:56:44.320 --> 1:56:52.160 So very nice, very yes, how is uh, how is 1:56:52.240 --> 1:56:52.760 life going? 1:56:52.800 --> 1:56:59.040 Otherwise it's going really well. I live in this house, 1:56:59.040 --> 1:57:04.360 so it's starting to get super fucking hot. But I 1:57:04.400 --> 1:57:08.440 started I started running last summer and I finally hit 1:57:08.560 --> 1:57:14.320 my goal of running a sub thirty five k. So 1:57:14.680 --> 1:57:17.400 that's like, that was my big goal. And my dog 1:57:17.600 --> 1:57:21.080 actually runs with me. I have a black lab she's 1:57:21.120 --> 1:57:23.840 about a year old and she's about sixty five to 1:57:23.840 --> 1:57:26.320 seventy pounds, and we just run. We just run around 1:57:26.360 --> 1:57:30.240 the neighborhood and run around town and it's so fun. 1:57:30.600 --> 1:57:36.400 It's so fun. But now that I do struggle with 1:57:36.560 --> 1:57:41.360 a lot of mental health issues, you know, particularly depression 1:57:41.360 --> 1:57:43.680 and anxiety, and this is one thing that I discussed, 1:57:43.960 --> 1:57:47.280 you know, with my family, with my therapist, like exercise 1:57:47.400 --> 1:57:52.240 gives you on doorphins, you know, exercise be happy. Basically, 1:57:52.320 --> 1:57:56.040 exercise makes you happy. So it's definitely working and it's 1:57:56.080 --> 1:57:58.960 made the time go by fast. And then I'm also 1:57:59.240 --> 1:58:05.040 really excited for our wedding because so only the parents know, 1:58:05.360 --> 1:58:08.880 only the parents and our family know that we eloped, 1:58:08.960 --> 1:58:11.880 so this is gonna be like a welcome home party 1:58:12.080 --> 1:58:14.840 and then surprise, it's a wedding. We're getting married or 1:58:14.880 --> 1:58:19.520 we'relready married. So I'm really really excited for that. 1:58:22.000 --> 1:58:24.840 Very nice, very nice? Are you? 1:58:25.400 --> 1:58:25.680 Then? 1:58:26.640 --> 1:58:26.880 Yeah? 1:58:27.560 --> 1:58:27.960 Go ahead? 1:58:28.040 --> 1:58:28.120 No? 1:58:28.200 --> 1:58:28.600 Go ahead? 1:58:29.880 --> 1:58:32.760 Oh no, I'm just debating on what dress I want 1:58:32.800 --> 1:58:35.560 to buy because have you seen Star Wars? 1:58:36.160 --> 1:58:39.680 Yeah? Well, wild I haven't seen the New Ones? Are 1:58:39.680 --> 1:58:42.920 you a big Star Wars? Fuck? 1:58:42.960 --> 1:58:44.600 The New Ones? No prequel series? 1:58:44.920 --> 1:58:45.200 Cool? 1:58:45.480 --> 1:58:46.040 Patna wait? 1:58:46.080 --> 1:58:48.600 I thought everyone? I thought everyone hates the prequel series. 1:58:50.160 --> 1:58:52.120 No, oh, I love the prequel series. I don't like 1:58:52.160 --> 1:58:52.880 the sequels. 1:58:53.240 --> 1:58:54.840 Oh okay, all right, go ahead. 1:58:55.360 --> 1:58:59.040 No, no, but I want to I want to commission 1:58:59.120 --> 1:59:04.560 someone to make me Padme's lake dress in episode two, 1:59:04.760 --> 1:59:05.560 whenever they were on. 1:59:05.640 --> 1:59:15.720 Naboo, I you I know what you're talking about. 1:59:15.880 --> 1:59:21.320 It's like this yellow, pink and purple lilac color ombre. 1:59:22.160 --> 1:59:25.440 It's like the big floey dress that she has. Maybe 1:59:25.480 --> 1:59:31.160 maybe not, but I don't know. We're we're going for 1:59:31.200 --> 1:59:36.320 a tropical game because my husband's uh, his family's from 1:59:36.360 --> 1:59:40.160 the Caribbean, and we're trying to do something like with 1:59:40.200 --> 1:59:43.600 that theme, make it feel like a vacation whenever he 1:59:43.680 --> 1:59:45.400 comes back home. But I'm like, I feel like I 1:59:45.480 --> 1:59:47.760 want to stick out, stick out, like a sore throughout 1:59:48.000 --> 1:59:51.840 sore thumb. But the thing is his family's all star 1:59:51.880 --> 1:59:54.760 wars nerds, So I think it'll be okay. 1:59:55.320 --> 2:00:01.400 I don't know, you like, like, yeah, oh yeah, it's 2:00:01.400 --> 2:00:05.440 your wedding, fucking ye the space dress up as super 2:00:05.440 --> 2:00:06.400 Mario who cares? 2:00:07.640 --> 2:00:12.160 No, that'll be that'll be dope as fuck, that'll be dope. 2:00:13.120 --> 2:00:17.360 What's your name again, June Bugs? June Bug? Oh yeah, 2:00:17.480 --> 2:00:19.400 like the Super Smash Brothers melee player. 2:00:20.160 --> 2:00:21.920 Or maybe maybe I'll dress up like them? 2:00:22.120 --> 2:00:22.520 Who do they? 2:00:22.840 --> 2:00:25.080 I don't know anything about Super Smash Bros. But who 2:00:25.160 --> 2:00:26.840 do they who do they name? Who do they play? 2:00:27.160 --> 2:00:28.040 They play Donkey Kong? 2:00:29.400 --> 2:00:31.440 Oh, you know what, I'll dress up as Donkey Kong 2:00:31.520 --> 2:00:32.080 for my wedding. 2:00:32.400 --> 2:00:34.200 That would be cool, man, that'd be cool. And then 2:00:34.560 --> 2:00:37.480 your husband can dress up like Diddy Kong and then 2:00:37.520 --> 2:00:39.160 you can be like, Yeah, I'm the fucking boss of 2:00:39.200 --> 2:00:40.360 the house, dude, I'm the big Kong. 2:00:42.120 --> 2:00:44.880 I'm also taller than him. He's five to one. I'm 2:00:44.880 --> 2:00:45.400 five four. 2:00:46.000 --> 2:00:49.720 Ooh, I like that. I like it good. I like it. 2:00:49.760 --> 2:00:53.080 I like it good. I like a good woman taller 2:00:53.080 --> 2:00:56.320 than the man relationship. Every time I'm every time I'm 2:00:56.360 --> 2:00:59.320 on the Uh, Like when I'm like walking through this 2:00:59.440 --> 2:01:02.200 down the street and I see a couple and the 2:01:02.240 --> 2:01:04.240 ladies taller than the guy like pump my fist a 2:01:04.240 --> 2:01:05.560 little bit, I'm like, that's awesome. 2:01:06.720 --> 2:01:08.360 Yeah, fucking short kings the night. 2:01:08.920 --> 2:01:13.000 Rock and roll, rock and roll, Junebug. Is there anything 2:01:13.000 --> 2:01:14.240 else you want to say to the people of the 2:01:14.240 --> 2:01:15.320 computer before we go? 2:01:17.720 --> 2:01:18.000 Yeah? 2:01:18.400 --> 2:01:22.480 Uh, if you're a short guy, please pursue taller women. 2:01:22.720 --> 2:01:25.560 We like it. We do like it. 2:01:25.760 --> 2:01:28.560 They exist fellas they exist. 2:01:29.520 --> 2:01:32.640 They do. I'm married to one beautiful. 2:01:32.880 --> 2:01:36.360 I'm married beautiful, take care of Jim Buggle, see around 2:01:36.360 --> 2:01:40.800 the universe. Congratulations on a on a lovely life. 2:01:41.400 --> 2:01:45.400 Thank you, see you later, by bye. 2:01:47.000 --> 2:01:49.440 There we go. It's for every see listen. If you're 2:01:49.640 --> 2:01:51.560 if you're five to one, if you're a five to 2:01:51.560 --> 2:01:56.080 one guy and you think you're doomed, there there there 2:01:56.120 --> 2:01:59.600 could be hope. That's uh, that's actually what the First 2:01:59.640 --> 2:02:03.000 Star Worries is about. That's why they call it a 2:02:03.080 --> 2:02:07.360 new Hope. It's about a five to one guy who 2:02:07.400 --> 2:02:10.640 gets married to a to a five four lady never 2:02:11.360 --> 2:02:14.560 goes on the line taking your phone calls. Every night, 2:02:14.880 --> 2:02:17.640 the repe goes to his side. He's teaching you a 2:02:17.760 --> 2:02:20.640 loud in the of your life, but he's not really 2:02:20.840 --> 2:02:21.640 an expert.