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Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 2: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 2: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 2: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so

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Speaker 2: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. My daily

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Speaker 2: motivational calendar this morning said, good things take time, but

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Speaker 2: in this case, I think enough time has passed and

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Speaker 2: I want to help speed up this message. What message

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Speaker 2: am I talking about, Well, it's about IADC therapy. When

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Speaker 2: we were together last you met doctor Tom Nimi, a

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Speaker 2: clinical psychologist who first heard about doctor Alan Botkin and

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Speaker 2: his IADC therapy on one of my previous episodes. He

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Speaker 2: thought this seems too good to be true, and the

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Speaker 2: little voice inside of him said, I better check this out.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Tom took the training only to find out that

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Speaker 2: Induced after Death Communication grief therapy is real. Just two

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Speaker 2: ninety minute IADC therapy sessions greatly reduces or eliminates grief,

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Speaker 2: helping people to go back to living lives. But as

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Speaker 2: a side effect, over seventy five percent of the people

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Speaker 2: experience their deceased loved ones. Somehow, this therapy seems to

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Speaker 2: transport people to an altered state, allowing them to possibly see, feel,

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Speaker 2: hear their loved ones. Some get big hugs from them.

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Speaker 2: Even their animals can be present, giving them more reasons

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Speaker 2: to heal. Today, on our time together, I want to

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Speaker 2: dive deeper into IADC and give you some case studies

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Speaker 2: from doctor Alan Botkin, who wrote the book Induced After

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Speaker 2: Death Communication, a Miraculous Therapy for Grief and Loss. On

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Speaker 2: our second segment today, I want to play some words

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Speaker 2: from that original episode that doctor Tom Nemi heard and

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Speaker 2: felt so compeld to learn this methodology. My hope is

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Speaker 2: that therapists in the world can help others by learning

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Speaker 2: this therapy method so that people can be relieved from

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Speaker 2: their grief. Yes, I know we all want to connect

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Speaker 2: with our loved ones, but you must go into this

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Speaker 2: therapy looking for grief relief, not looking for the afterlife

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Speaker 2: for it to be effective. Doctor Alan Botkin is now retired,

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Speaker 2: and so there's good therapists like doctor Tom Nimi and

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Speaker 2: others working with induced ADC dot com it's a good

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Speaker 2: website to go to. Also, please go back and listen

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Speaker 2: to the last episode with doctor Tom. You can also

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Speaker 2: check out my past episode's number sixty six twenty eight

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Speaker 2: one ninety four. I know this is a lot to

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Speaker 2: beginning of this episode to find those links. Let me

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Speaker 2: read an example of doctor Alan Botkins's work so you

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Speaker 2: get a taste of what this is. He had written

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Speaker 2: an article for the Journal of Near Death Studies. The

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Speaker 2: article is called the Induction of After Death Communications Utilizing

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Speaker 2: eye movement, desensitization and reprocessing a new discovery. This is

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Speaker 2: pick different stories to read here. This one is titled Mark.

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Speaker 2: Mark was involved in a very serious car accident nearly

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Speaker 2: This incident completely changed Mark's life. Although he had been

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Speaker 2: Although the day before Mark believed that his experience was real,

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Speaker 2: Although the newspaper clippings proved to Mark that his experience

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Speaker 2: ultimately experienced as forgiving, it appears here that the resolution

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Speaker 2: How did it all be? Again? The treatment was discovered

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Speaker 2: in the late nineteen eighties by Francine Shapiro, who, while

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Speaker 2: One of our PTSD patients, who had been an ongoing

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the After My Life. I'm

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Speaker 2: Sandra Champlain. As we all know, grief is the most

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Speaker 2: induced after death communications. Now, remember this article was written

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Speaker 2: a quarter century since Raymond Moody wrote Life After Life.

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Speaker 2: These two individuals, more than anyone else, sparked the public's

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Speaker 2: interest in the experience of those who come close to death.

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Speaker 2: It is now commonly accepted that roughly one of all

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Speaker 2: people who come close to death, upon regaining consciousness, report

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Speaker 2: having had a wonderful and life changing spiritual experience. Moody

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Speaker 2: labeled these experiences near death experiences or NDEs. He pointed

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Speaker 2: out that as a result of medical advances and resuscitation techniques,

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Speaker 2: many more people were being brought back from the brink

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Speaker 2: of death than in the past. The many books on

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Speaker 2: NDEs that followed Moody's Life after Life generally support his

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Speaker 2: observations regarding the content of the experience. The general sequence

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Speaker 2: of events that occur when a person is at a

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Speaker 2: point close to death includes floating out of one's physical body,

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Speaker 2: a feeling of indescribable peace and happiness, going through a

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Speaker 2: tunnel or passageway towards a light, meeting with friends and

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Speaker 2: relatives who have previously died, seeing beautiful landscapes with bright

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Speaker 2: and rich colors, experiencing a life review, meeting a loving

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Speaker 2: being of light, and returning to one's physical body. The

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Speaker 2: more I became aware of the content of my patient's

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Speaker 2: ADC experiences, the more I realized they were consistently reporting

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Speaker 2: almost all of the same elements of NDEs, but from

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Speaker 2: a very different perspective. Whereas NDEs occur as one approaches death,

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Speaker 2: in ADC's one experiences another who has already died. Aside

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Speaker 2: from this obvious difference, the two experiences are essentially identical.

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Speaker 2: During ADC's the experiencer sometimes sees the whole body of

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Speaker 2: the deceased, and sometimes only the face. Either case, they

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Speaker 2: often appear radiant or surrounded by light. Children who die

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Speaker 2: very young are usually seen as older, unlike the twelve

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Speaker 2: year old girl in Marx ADC, people who were very

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Speaker 2: old or ill prior to death are always experienced as

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Speaker 2: younger and healthy. A face that was worry worn in

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Speaker 2: life will always appear peaceful and serene. I have not

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Speaker 2: had a single ADC case where the deceased did not

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Speaker 2: look peaceful, serene, content or happy. Almost all those who

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Speaker 2: have had NDEs described a similar feeling of peace. That

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Speaker 2: feeling is so pleasant that some ND experiencers have difficulty

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Speaker 2: expressing it in words. For the ADC experiencer, perceiving the

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Speaker 2: deceased in such a profoundly positive emotional state greatly expedites

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Speaker 2: the resolution of grief. In many cases, the person who

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Speaker 2: has the ADC the experiences the same feeling as though

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Speaker 2: it was somehow transmitted from the deceased. When this occurs,

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Speaker 2: the feeling of peace, in most instances immediately and completely

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Speaker 2: replaces whatever feelings of loss or pain that the person

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Speaker 2: brought to the experience. ADC experiencers sometimes go through a

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Speaker 2: tunnel or passageway before they get to the deceased. There

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Speaker 2: is usually a bright light at the end of the tunnel,

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Speaker 2: and experiencers somehow know during the experience that the deceased

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Speaker 2: is somewhere in the light. People who have near death

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Speaker 2: experiences sometimes report the identical experience, and they too report

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Speaker 2: meeting deceased loved ones in that light. Meeting the deceased

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Speaker 2: in both ADC's and NDEs is essentially identical. They are

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Speaker 2: always loving encounters. The only difference is that in NDEs

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Speaker 2: the conversation often involves the issue of whether the nd

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Speaker 2: experiencer is to remain there or go back to his

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Speaker 2: or her body, whereas in ADC's the focus is almost

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Speaker 2: always related to the grief issues or concerns of the

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Speaker 2: experiencer and is sometimes perceived as related to the issues

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Speaker 2: and concerns of the deceased as well. Beautiful landscapes are

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Speaker 2: common in the reports of both NDEs and ADC's. Beautiful trees, hills, bushes, grass,

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Speaker 2: and streams are frequently reported. Colors are typically brighter and richer,

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Speaker 2: and sometimes even radiant in appearance, as one ADC patient said,

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Speaker 2: it was the greenest green I've ever seen. But even

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Speaker 2: more than appearance, some ND and ADC experiencers have reported

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Speaker 2: the scenery itself exudes a feeling of peace and tranquility,

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Speaker 2: which is then transmitted to the experiencer. Although survivors do

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Speaker 2: not directly experience any portion of their own life review

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Speaker 2: or that of the deceased, in induced ADCs, the deceased

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Speaker 2: consistently appear as if they have been through a life review,

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Speaker 2: and the whole life review portion of NDEs. The person

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Speaker 2: near death experiences his or her life in just a

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Speaker 2: few brief moments. The content of the experience generally includes

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Speaker 2: a special focus on feelings that were experienced at different

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Speaker 2: moments in life. However, the person near death not only

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Speaker 2: experiences his or her own feelings, but also those of

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Speaker 2: the other people in the experiencer's life at different moments. Thus,

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Speaker 2: an important part of the life review appears to be

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Speaker 2: the experience of the feelings that one caused in others,

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Speaker 2: some of which are positive and some negative. Of those

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Speaker 2: who have experienced life reviews report that it is a

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Speaker 2: profound and life changing learning experience. People who experience life

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Speaker 2: reviews generally develop an increased sense of empathy and an

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Speaker 2: interest in serving others. In induced ADCs, the deceased are

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Speaker 2: consistently experienced as having learned from their mistakes and as

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Speaker 2: having taken responsibility for how they treated other people in life.

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Speaker 2: They also appear to be very concerned about any negative

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Speaker 2: feelings that they caused in others during life. This is

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Speaker 2: particularly evident in those cases in which the deceased lived

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Speaker 2: troubled or even violent lives. With the above considerations in mind,

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Speaker 2: NDEs and induced ADC's are actually very consistent in terms

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Speaker 2: of the life review. The relationship between NDEs and ADCs

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Speaker 2: is further supported by the observation that a number of

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Speaker 2: MY patients, usually those who did not know the deceased personally,

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Speaker 2: actually witnessed the end of the deceased during their own ADC.

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Speaker 2: This kind of experience has been associated primarily with the

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Speaker 2: battlefield and hospital deaths, and these ADC experiences, a perceived

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Speaker 2: direct two way communication between the patient and the deceased

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Speaker 2: usually does not occur. However, important information is nevertheless received

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Speaker 2: by the patient, which so far has resolved whatever issues

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00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: the patient brought to the experience. Typically during this kind

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Speaker 2: of ADC, the experiencer sees a translucent body or spirit

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Speaker 2: rise from the physical body at the point of death,

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Speaker 2: usually with a very peaceful or serene appearance, and sometimes

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Speaker 2: then proceed through a tunnel or towards a light. Grief

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Speaker 2: is resolved for the patient as the result of experiencing

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Speaker 2: the other person's peaceful continuation of life at the point

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Speaker 2: of death. Interestingly, none of my patients who had this

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Speaker 2: kind of experience had been aware beforehand of nd content,

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Speaker 2: and all were very surprised and some even a little

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Speaker 2: confused by the experience. Bob, for example, was initially confused

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Speaker 2: because he did not understand how the deceased could have

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Speaker 2: moved towards a bright light because the death had occurred

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Speaker 2: at night in the jungle. A final argument that NDEs

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Speaker 2: and ADCs are essentially the same phenomena experienced from different

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Speaker 2: perspectives is that those patients who have had both NDEs

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Speaker 2: and induced ADC's all reported that both the quality and

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00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 2: the psychological impact of the two experiences were essentially the same.

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Speaker 2: These patients also believed with certainty that the two experiences

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Speaker 2: tapped into the same spiritual reality. In short, the remarkable

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Speaker 2: similarities and overlap between NDEs and ADC's would lead one

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Speaker 2: to conclude that they are at least closely related phenomena,

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Speaker 2: whatever the mechanism might be. Perhaps, however, as experiencers have argued,

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Speaker 2: they are the same spiritual phenomena experience from different perspectives.

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Speaker 2: The nd being from the point of view of a

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Speaker 2: person approaching death and the ADC from the point of

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Speaker 2: view of an alive person contacting one who is already dead.

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Speaker 2: Both suggest something about what the experience of death may

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Speaker 2: be like, and remarkably reports of both experiences are strikingly similar.

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Speaker 2: If it turns out that they are both a connection

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Speaker 2: to the same spiritual reality, then NDEs are not just

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Speaker 2: transitory experiences that occur before one dies, because the deceased

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Speaker 2: are experienced as having continued in the same general mode

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Speaker 2: during ADC's. This is really good news, my friends, giving

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Speaker 2: us an idea of what it's like when we die

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Speaker 2: through a near death experience, but also being able to

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Speaker 2: witness that while still being alive having an induced ADC.

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Speaker 2: What do other therapists think of this? Gary says, At

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Speaker 2: the time I learned of the existence of IADC, I

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Speaker 2: had been a psychotherapist for twenty two years and had

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Speaker 2: been a practitioner of Standard Protocol EMDR. Within days of

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Speaker 2: learning IADC, I arranged to be taught the technique directly

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Speaker 2: from doctor Alan Bodkin. Since completing the training and employing

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Speaker 2: in healing grief and trauma that go far beyond anything

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Speaker 2: I had ever previously seen or could even have imagined.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 2: the year two thousand in the Journal of Near Death Studies.

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Speaker 2: I do have some more stories for you. The first

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Speaker 2: he talks about data summary. Out of eighty four patients

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Speaker 2: for whom an ADC induction was offered, ninety nine percent

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Speaker 2: were willing to participate in an induction. Of the eighty

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Speaker 2: three patients who participated, eighty one or ninety eight percent

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Speaker 2: achieved and after death communication defined as any perceived sensory

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Speaker 2: contact with the deceased. Of the eighty one patients who

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Speaker 2: achieved an ADC. Ninety six percent reported full resis solution

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Speaker 2: their ADC was an actual spiritual contact. Of those seventy

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Speaker 2: six patients who believed their ADC was an actual spiritual contact,

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00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 2: only six or eight percent had believed prior to the

652
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: ADC that actual contact was possible. This summary is based

653
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: upon the first eighty four patients to whom I offered

654
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: an ADC induction. It is clear that people who experienced

655
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 2: induced ADCs, in almost all cases, believe that their experience

656
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 2: was actual contact with the deceased. The foregoing was the

657
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 2: only information I recorded on a regular basis other than

658
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: the verbal reports of my patients. Although I initially had

659
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: some interest in the potential effects of varying prior belief

660
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: systems on ADC induction outcomes, I did not keep a

661
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: record of the data. However, I have worked with many

662
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: patients who described themselves as atheists, many who were unsure

663
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 2: about their beliefs, and many who professed strong religious convictions.

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Speaker 2: The fact that ninety eight percent of patients achieve ADC's

665
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: no matter what they believe, as long as they are

666
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: able and willing to participate in the procedure strongly suggests

667
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: that the difference in the subject's prior belief systems is

668
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 2: of little consequence. Again, this is two ninety minute sessions

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Speaker 2: of induced after death communication grief therapy. Here are some

670
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: cases Bob. Bob and his unit had set up camp

671
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: for the night in Vietnam. He and two buddies had

672
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: guard duty, and they were ordered to shoot anything that

673
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: moved outside of their perimeter. Later that night, they detected

674
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,840
Speaker 2: movement in the bush not too far from their position.

675
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,960
Speaker 2: All three opened fire and it appeared that they hit

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00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 2: whoever or whatever was out there. They had to wait

677
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 2: for daylight, however, to go out and see what it was.

678
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 2: The next morning they all went out and found that

679
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: they had shot and killed a Vietnamese woman and her

680
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:22,720
Speaker 2: infant child. The woman was unarmed and for some unknown reason,

681
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: had wandered close to their camp at the time, Bob

682
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,759
Speaker 2: was enraged at the senselessness of what had happened. For

683
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 2: many years since the incident, Bob has suffered from intrusive

684
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,480
Speaker 2: images of their dead bodies. When he presented this memory

685
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: in psychotherapy, his primary feeling was overwhelming sadness. The usual

686
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: induction procedure was provided. However, in Bob's ADC, he spontaneously

687
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: went back in time to the moment the woman and

688
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: child died. Although during the incident he did not see

689
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: the bodies until the next morning, in his ADC, he

690
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: saw what looked like the spirits of the mother and

691
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 2: child rise out of their bodies at the moment of death.

692
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,240
Speaker 2: The mother then held the child in her arms, turned

693
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:15,360
Speaker 2: and proceeded to drift through a large tunnel and towards

694
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: a bright light. They had a very peaceful look on

695
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,479
Speaker 2: their faces, and they appeared to move with a sense

696
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: of purpose. Bob's feeling of sadness was replaced by a

697
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: feeling of happiness, which he experienced during his ADC. He

698
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: was also comforted by his knowledge that the mother and

699
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 2: child had maintained their loving relationship. He believed that his

700
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: experience proved that there is life after death. Bob was

701
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: somewhat confused, however, by the appearance of the bright light

702
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 2: in his ADC, because at the time of the incident

703
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: it was completely dark. Bob was unaware of nd reports,

704
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: which I offered as one of the possible interpretations. A

705
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: month later, after Job successfully completed work on some other issues.

706
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: He terminated psychotherapy. At that time, he no longer felt

707
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: sad about the incident, and all the associated intrusive images

708
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 2: had disappeared. Experiencing the NDEs of others during an ADC

709
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: is not rare and occurs most frequently when there was

710
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: no relationship between the deceased and the ADC experiencer. It

711
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:31,320
Speaker 2: is also noteworthy that Bob knew nothing about NDEs prior

712
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: to his ADC experience. Here's Pam's story. Pam's mother died

713
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: nearly thirty years ago when Pam was fourteen years old.

714
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: She and her mother, as the only females in the family,

715
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 2: developed a close relationship. Her mother lived only three months

716
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 2: after being diagnosed with breast cancer. Her father and three

717
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 2: brothers grieved her death, but Pam believed it was her

718
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 2: job to take her mother's place as the strong one

719
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: in the family, and as a result, never fully addressed

720
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: her own issues regarding her mother's death. A brother also

721
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,919
Speaker 2: blamed Pam for their mother's rapid demise because the mother

722
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: remained active in Pam's life until her death. Pam had

723
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 2: been and continues to be a successful physician. However, she

724
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: maintains an extremely demanding professional schedule that brings her at

725
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,800
Speaker 2: times to the point of exhaustion. After a year and

726
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 2: a half of psychotherapy with another therapist, she had made

727
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 2: some progress in terms of allowing herself to express her grief,

728
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: and she had come to realize that her overly responsible

729
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 2: caretaking role was tied in many ways to her response

730
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: to her mother's death. However, these improvements had done little

731
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 2: to help her make significant changes in her routine, and

732
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: she continued to experience significant guilt and loss over her

733
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 2: mother's death. In the first ADC attempt, Pam found herself

734
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 2: going through a tunnel and towards a bright light, but

735
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: she found herself getting frustrated because she could not get

736
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 2: to the end of the tunnel. She was unaware of

737
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 2: the significance of the tunnel and the light, and therefore

738
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: it was reassuring for her to hear that it meant

739
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 2: that the experience was beginning to unfold. After some emdr

740
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,799
Speaker 2: to promote relaxation, another induction was performed. This time her

741
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 2: mother was there. During her relatively long ADC, A few

742
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 2: tears rolled down Pam's face while she kept her eyes closed.

743
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 2: When it was over, she opened her eyes and she

744
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: was very excited about what had happened. She stated, I

745
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:45,240
Speaker 2: saw my mother very clearly. She looked younger and thinner.

746
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: My mother had put on weight the last ten years

747
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: of her life. She looked happy, healthy, peaceful, and she

748
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 2: had a spark in her eyes that seemed to emanate

749
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: a glow around her. Pam then laughed and said, my

750
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 2: mother was sitting on a large rock by the beach

751
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 2: and one of those old style bathing suits, but the

752
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: surroundings were much more beautiful than any beach scene I've

753
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: ever seen. Pam's mother communicated to her that she was

754
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 2: very proud of what she had accomplished in her life

755
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: and that there was no reason for her to feel

756
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 2: guilty about anything. Pam also experienced a warm connectedness that

757
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 2: we used to have, as she said. Pam also pointed

758
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 2: out that when her mother was alive, there was always

759
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: a touch of sadness in her smile, but that it

760
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 2: was gone and she appeared to be genuinely happy. Pam

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00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: then stated, I can't believe how peaceful I feel. Like

762
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 2: there's been a tremendous burden lifted off of me, and

763
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 2: I have the sense that she is not gone and

764
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:52,680
Speaker 2: will always be with me. Pam felt that all her

765
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:57,280
Speaker 2: issues related to the death of her mother had completely resolved.

766
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: She emphasized more than once expected her experience was Ten

767
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 2: months later, she reported that she still continued to feel

768
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 2: much better and that she could still experience that same

769
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,839
Speaker 2: peaceful feeling when she took the time to think about it.

770
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 2: Although she had made plans to cut back on her

771
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: rigorous schedule, it was too soon to evaluate her success

772
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: in that area. This publication has other stories, but there's

773
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Speaker 2: many stories included in both the books Induced After Death Communication,

774
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 2: A Miraculous Therapy for Grief and Loss by doctor Alan L. Botkin.

775
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: Doctor Raymond Moody wrote the ForWord in that and then

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00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 2: please go back to the previous episode where I interview

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Speaker 2: doctor Tom Nemi and his book is called Inspired Life,

778
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Speaker 2: Beautiful Death, Healing Grief, Overcoming Fear of Death and Living

779
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Speaker 2: a Spiritual Life. Doctor Tom can be reached at Healing

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Speaker 2: Grief with iai DC dot com and you can find

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Speaker 2: IADC therapists around the world at induced ADC dot com.

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Speaker 2: If you're a therapist, you can begin your grief training

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Speaker 2: journey there. At the moment I am not experiencing intense grief,

784
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: but I can tell you it'll happen as it does

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Speaker 2: for all of us humans, And the first place I'm

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Speaker 2: going to go is to a trained IADC therapist who

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want to have this experience. I invite you to

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Speaker 2: on the same topic, but this is so important. What

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Speaker 2: brings most of us to shades of the afterlife As

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Speaker 2: we're suffering from the loss of a loved one, rest

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Speaker 2: assured grief help is available and your loved ones are

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Speaker 2: with you and want nothing more than to see you happy,

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