Speaker 1: Hey, folks, did it Saturday, November twenty second? And the
Speaker 1: question on this Saturday is there ever a good reason
Speaker 1: to leave behind your wedding ring? Or how about this
Speaker 1: as a good reason. I'm the second Lady of the
Speaker 1: United States and a mother of three. Give me a
Speaker 1: freaking break. And with that, welcome to this episode of
Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. I didn't know this was a big deal.
Speaker 1: You said you had seen this story other places. I
Speaker 1: guess during the week, second Lady out without a ring
Speaker 1: and uh oh.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 3: She was on official duty as second Lady. She was
Speaker 3: alongside Millennia. That sounds so weird, yes, second Lady, but
Speaker 3: she was in Campbullushoes. So she was there on official duty.
Speaker 3: And so to forget your wedding ring when you know
Speaker 3: there are photographers, you know there are going to be
Speaker 3: cameras following you. That is why it seems suspicious. I
Speaker 3: think a lot of times, yes, you could leave your
Speaker 3: ring if you're going for a run or you're running
Speaker 3: to the grocery store. But she was there and took
Speaker 3: the time to get dressed, and took time to get ready,
Speaker 3: and so why would she not put on her wedding ring?
Speaker 1: Do you, then I didn't plan to ask this or
Speaker 1: this early. But if you are this type of public figure,
Speaker 1: is this a mistake you probably should not make, just
Speaker 1: because it turns into what it has turned into, which
Speaker 1: is unnecessary. But it's turned into all these rumor meals
Speaker 1: about where they are now in their relationship, but also
Speaker 1: causing people to go back and look at every other
Speaker 1: aspect of their relationship.
Speaker 3: Yes, and the answer to that is yes, she should
Speaker 3: have known better. She is a very public figure. She
Speaker 3: knows she is going to be scrutinized. And look, you
Speaker 3: and I have been public figures and had to make
Speaker 3: the decision when to take the ring off. When you're
Speaker 3: being photographed, you have a camera on you, you know someone
Speaker 3: is going to notice, and you know someone is going
Speaker 3: to ask questions, and so you have to be in
Speaker 3: a place that you're ready to answer those questions. If
Speaker 3: you decide to make a very public showing of taking
Speaker 3: your ring off.
Speaker 1: Well, some people would also say in response to that, well,
Speaker 1: who gives a damn Why does she have to answer
Speaker 1: to anybody about her ring? She's a grown woman. Sure
Speaker 1: she's in the public eye, but she's still a very
Speaker 1: busy mother of three, I get what you're saying. But
Speaker 1: to those folks who maybe heard us say that, and
Speaker 1: I was saying, well, uh huh, I guess we could
Speaker 1: understand maybe what they're saying.
Speaker 3: Of course, she has every right to not answer and
Speaker 3: to not care. But you know that if you don't
Speaker 3: wear your rings, there are just going to be tabloids
Speaker 3: and rumors, and it's just going to fuel those rumors.
Speaker 3: And so if you want actually peace for yourself, the
Speaker 3: best thing to do is be just careful about those
Speaker 3: kinds of things because they will get noticed. Period.
Speaker 1: So she did give a response, Our office did give
Speaker 1: a response. It's all good. We'll give you the exact
Speaker 1: wording of their response. But of course they shut down anything.
Speaker 1: But there has been a lot so much out there
Speaker 1: about what this means. And I even saw an article
Speaker 1: a second ago before we came on talking about how
Speaker 1: divorce lawyer's tongues were wagging at some of the stuff
Speaker 1: that seeing about this relationship. So this isn't the only
Speaker 1: thing I guess about their marriage that's come under scrutiny.
Speaker 1: And I swear I was unfamiliar with these other things as.
Speaker 3: Well, So I did not know what sleeping on the
Speaker 3: couch was because one of the headlines was that the
Speaker 3: Democratic Party's official X account actually revived this meme that
Speaker 3: had been circulating in twenty twenty four, sleeping on the couch,
Speaker 3: And so I had to do a bit of a
Speaker 3: dive on that because it is bizarre. I actually had
Speaker 3: to make sure I got it from multiple sources. But
Speaker 3: I figure NPR is a pretty safe one.
Speaker 2: So many years back, does this go?
Speaker 3: This is just twenty twenty four, Okay, so just last year.
Speaker 3: But there was someone on X that made a false
Speaker 3: claim that said then Republican candidate jd Vance.
Speaker 2: Basically he used a couch to masturbate. Yes, okay, you're to.
Speaker 3: Say it, Okay, fine, yes that he It was very
Speaker 3: specific y basically masturbated with two couch questions. Thank you.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say the way the way they
Speaker 3: had written it because it was just too gross.
Speaker 1: This is why these are the times I wish we
Speaker 1: had cameras, because you to see her face try to
Speaker 1: figure this out, and now she's biting her nails.
Speaker 2: She's still not sure how to Still I'm blushing.
Speaker 3: I'm blushing right now, socause that's why I was struggling,
Speaker 3: but yes, Ultimately that was said that he basically had
Speaker 3: sex with the couch, to the point that the AP
Speaker 3: at one point published an article to debunk the rumor,
Speaker 3: and the headline was no, jd Vance did not have
Speaker 3: sex with a couch. But that just legitimized the meme.
Speaker 3: That just legitimized all the social media fund that was
Speaker 3: being had and so then it basically widened the joke.
Speaker 3: More people knew about it because peoplere like, wait, what,
Speaker 3: so it actually made it worse. So then they actually
Speaker 3: ended up taking the article down and said that it
Speaker 3: had not gone through standard editing process. They realized they
Speaker 3: made a mistake. They shouldn't have basically like normalized or
Speaker 3: at least widened the reach for folks to understand that
Speaker 3: this was a meme that was going on. By saying
Speaker 3: he didn't do something, it made people hear the rumor.
Speaker 2: For the parshole.
Speaker 1: My goodness, dearest, we haven't talked about this yet, but
Speaker 1: that exact thing is a debate we have had plenty
Speaker 1: and we're having now about when someone actually lies about you,
Speaker 1: do you come out there and take down every headline?
Speaker 1: But what you're doing is giving everybody license to just
Speaker 1: make up the next lie and get attention, and you
Speaker 1: end up in a position to where you're spending all
Speaker 1: your time just denying things that were just made up
Speaker 1: in the.
Speaker 3: First place, and some people will always believe it no
Speaker 3: matter what. So yes, an putting that in any more
Speaker 3: reach than it already got was a big mistake.
Speaker 1: So I guess it didn't help debunk the rumor if
Speaker 1: you put the article up and then take you down.
Speaker 1: So now it seems like, oh so it wasn't a
Speaker 1: legit debunking.
Speaker 3: There is jump on that, then, right, okay?
Speaker 1: If that was the time, this is one time I
Speaker 1: have I feel so average event okay.
Speaker 3: And then he also stepped in it a little while
Speaker 3: ago by basically saying I have the exact words that
Speaker 3: he used, but basically saying that his wife, Usha, who
Speaker 3: is a Hindu, he is a Christian. He wished that
Speaker 3: she would convert, so he said this, do I hope
Speaker 3: eventually that she is somehow moved by the same thing
Speaker 3: that I was moved in by church? Yeah, I honestly
Speaker 3: I do wish that because I believe in the Christian Gospel,
Speaker 3: and I hope eventually my wife comes to see it
Speaker 3: the same way. But if she doesn't, then God says
Speaker 3: everybody has free will, and so that doesn't cause a
Speaker 3: problem for me. That's something you work out with your
Speaker 3: friends and your family, with the person that you love.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, Yes, is that fair enough answer? He wishes?
Speaker 2: But is that offensive to her?
Speaker 1: Religion is offensive to Is it disrespectful to her to
Speaker 1: even ask to have any expectation? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: that sounded like a respect lance.
Speaker 3: He was being honest, So he did have to go back,
Speaker 3: come back and clarify. He didn't apologize, but he clarified
Speaker 3: and said he didn't intend for what he said to
Speaker 3: put any pressure on his wife. So he came out
Speaker 3: and had to say that because people were upset about
Speaker 3: him saying he wishes that his wife would convert to Christianity.
Speaker 3: So anyway, that also made people think, hmm, trouble and paradise.
Speaker 3: They're having issues about religion. That's a big problem. I
Speaker 3: see a riff. So there's been constant rumors now that
Speaker 3: they're headed to divorce court.
Speaker 1: Yes, because she forgot her ring at an event and
Speaker 1: the other thing. Again, everybody's scrutinizing everything. When is a
Speaker 1: hug more than a hug.
Speaker 3: Yes, so this is a hug that also sparked problems
Speaker 3: in Jade Vance's marriage. So before I did see this,
Speaker 3: Erica Kirk and Jade Vance were hugging and it was
Speaker 3: on stage in front of everyone, and it was she
Speaker 3: had her hand in the back of his head like
Speaker 3: almost like she was tossling his hair like intimately, like
Speaker 3: it's that is a weird thing for a woman. It's
Speaker 3: an intimate way to hug someone. And so it looked
Speaker 3: like it looked weird. It did. It looked bizarre to
Speaker 3: some how did what did you think? It looked like?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I have a difficult time in those moments snapshots.
Speaker 2: Of just moment.
Speaker 1: Well it wasn't a snapshot, it was there's a video.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I hate to just interpret those moments. I don't know
Speaker 1: their relationship, how close they are. I just I But again,
Speaker 1: this goes to folks looking for anything with this marriage
Speaker 1: and album shocked that that was one thing they're pointing
Speaker 1: towards as if that is a sign of a problem
Speaker 1: in jad Vans's marriage. Because of where Erica kirk hand
Speaker 1: was during a hug, it seems Oh, and people.
Speaker 3: Are ruthless online. Ya you know, Usha, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3: You know, people just posting it and putting like funny,
Speaker 3: kitchy what they think are cute headlines just to get
Speaker 3: people to like it and to get clicks. But these
Speaker 3: are real people. I don't care if you're the vice president,
Speaker 3: if you're a celebrity. These things sting, and you hear celebrities,
Speaker 3: you hear folks come out and talk about how much
Speaker 3: it actually does affect them and impact them to see
Speaker 3: things like this put out there. They can laugh it
Speaker 3: off publicly, but it does. It makes you feel uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: Where are we then, as a public.
Speaker 1: What should we do with public relationships? Do they're the
Speaker 1: second family? Do we scrutinize right their public figures? So therefore,
Speaker 1: this is part of it.
Speaker 3: It comes with the territory. Okay, it does, but it
Speaker 3: is always you know, it's interesting to see it's almost
Speaker 3: this seems is that people are rooting for their split.
Speaker 3: It does seem because of the partisan nature of this
Speaker 3: isn't just a celebrity. This is somebody, obviously who a
Speaker 3: lot of people fervently support and a lot of people
Speaker 3: fervently dislike what you said.
Speaker 2: The Democrats have on their So yeah, they're.
Speaker 3: The ones the on their X account. They have a
Speaker 3: they revived the memes sleeping on the couch. So it's that,
Speaker 3: you know, that does seem to be in poor taste
Speaker 3: if we know now that he's referencing JD. Vans a
Speaker 3: completely false narrative that JD. Vans wrote about masturbating on
Speaker 3: the couch.
Speaker 2: Okay, and thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm always can't find the right word, but that's exactly
Speaker 1: what I was looking for.
Speaker 2: It's in poor taste, yes, to do what they did.
Speaker 1: You're making fun of this guy in his relationship in
Speaker 1: a personal way.
Speaker 2: That's just that's tough.
Speaker 1: But I do appreciate the way that the second Lady's office,
Speaker 1: how they responded to what's happening now in all of
Speaker 1: these rumors. Now, I loved it Robes when I first
Speaker 1: read it, and then I read the second time, and
Speaker 1: by the time I came around to the third I said,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, was that okay for them to say
Speaker 1: that and say it that way? Well, folks, stay here,
Speaker 1: when we come back, we are going to give you
Speaker 1: the word for word response and that you decide was
Speaker 1: this a good response? Cute response? Funny response, perfect response
Speaker 1: or a old response. All right, folks, welcome back, Amy
Speaker 1: TJ continuing, Now a ring robes time. What excuses do
Speaker 1: you have? What are legit excuses? When can you leave
Speaker 1: your wedding ring behind? And it's not a big deal?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, I never want to leave it behind,
Speaker 3: but I did recently. You pointed it out. You're like
Speaker 3: you and you saw immediately You're like, where's your wedding
Speaker 3: or where's your engagement ring? And I was like, oh, oh,
Speaker 3: I know where I left it?
Speaker 2: So what was it that day?
Speaker 3: So I was putting body lotion on, and so I
Speaker 3: didn't want to get lotion. I didn't want to gunk
Speaker 3: up my ring. So I took it off and put
Speaker 3: it right next to the sink and not very far
Speaker 3: away from the drain and all of that. But I
Speaker 3: usually take it off when I put lotion on.
Speaker 1: Okay, when is it okay to be upset with your
Speaker 1: significant other for leaving the ring behind? Because things happen
Speaker 1: if they do frequently and they just don't want to
Speaker 1: wear We're not talking about that. But at what point
Speaker 1: could you leave it somewhere and you actually have a
Speaker 1: legit cause to be upset with your spots.
Speaker 3: I think if Vegas or yes, seriously, I was gonna say,
Speaker 3: if you're going on a boy's trip, Oh wow, I
Speaker 3: think you can seriously be upset if you're significant Yeah,
Speaker 3: I guess your significant other left their wedding ring behind
Speaker 3: and you know they're going on like a trip to
Speaker 3: go have fun with their girls or guys. Yes, you
Speaker 3: could be mad. What do you think Is there a
Speaker 3: legitimate reason why you could be mad?
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: I actually, look, if you are good, if you are
Speaker 1: solid in that relationship, and I know anytime you leave
Speaker 1: your ring behind, it's I hear the lotion. Fine, I
Speaker 1: could be offended that she didn't think enough of it
Speaker 1: to put it on. No, because I'm pretty sure when
Speaker 1: you leave it behind, you're more upset that you left
Speaker 1: it behind than I am. And right, there's something about
Speaker 1: it now that seems so silly and petty and small. Really,
Speaker 1: if our relationship is going through struggle just because we
Speaker 1: can't make it through a weekend of you being in
Speaker 1: Vegas without a ring on one finger, then we probably
Speaker 1: got the problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I hear you on that, And look, I don't
Speaker 3: think i'd be mad. But I think if you already
Speaker 3: had other problems, you might be concerned that that was
Speaker 3: a delay act and you might not even say anything
Speaker 3: or confront the other person, but it'd be in the
Speaker 3: back of your head, like I wonder, I wonder, I wonder,
Speaker 3: that is what it's just like it starts to erode away.
Speaker 3: Trust that's it.
Speaker 2: Oh, there are reasons for it.
Speaker 1: And look the second lady gave her reasons for it,
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, up on first reading, I'll just
Speaker 1: give it word for word.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they response deer okay, oh yeah, I was worried
Speaker 2: you didn't have him freak.
Speaker 3: I do okay. Usha Vans is a mother of three
Speaker 3: young children who does a lot of dishes, gives a
Speaker 3: lot of baths, and forgets her ring sometimes.
Speaker 2: How you like that?
Speaker 3: I think it's honest, That's what I think it is,
Speaker 3: because when you're doing all of those things, Yeah, you
Speaker 3: do tend to take your ring off because you don't
Speaker 3: want to mess it up or have it get in
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 1: You know what, Again, you take the words right out
Speaker 1: of my mouth, and that's the perfect way to say it.
Speaker 1: That sounded like an honest answer. Yeah, it was almost
Speaker 1: like are you freaking kidding me. She's a mom. Are
Speaker 1: the ages eight, five, and three are the ages of
Speaker 1: the kids. Yes, she's busy, Yeah she is. So I
Speaker 1: thought that was a perfect response, and then I looked
Speaker 1: at it again. Yeah, she's forgot a ring, she's been
Speaker 1: doing dishes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, it sounded maybe a little sexist
Speaker 3: to some and that, like, look, I'm sure there are
Speaker 3: other reasons why. For me, self care is part of
Speaker 3: the reason why I would take my ring off as well,
Speaker 3: but that is probably the reason why. And she is
Speaker 3: a mom of free and she does do the dishes,
Speaker 3: probably more than JD. Just guessing that's probably true. She
Speaker 3: is probably the one who is giving the kids the baths,
Speaker 3: not JD. So he is busy. I get that. So
Speaker 3: it's just honest, and I think a lot of women
Speaker 3: related to that. I actually saw folks say same, me too,
Speaker 3: Like I get it. So I do think it was
Speaker 3: incredibly relatable.
Speaker 1: Exactly, she nailed it. Uh, oh, he's been out there.
Speaker 1: We see her here and there. I know if she's
Speaker 1: done interview. Not a whole lot, not a whole lot.
Speaker 1: But I was very impressed by this and that response.
Speaker 1: And I have been always impressed by her, so I
Speaker 1: continue to be so. But do you think just and yes,
Speaker 1: they're fine.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, And turns out everyone just
Speaker 3: is speculating because it's clickbait and it's fun. I think
Speaker 3: a sport. I think for some people to almost root
Speaker 3: for the demise of people they don't like or they
Speaker 3: don't agree with. So anyway, that is a sad state.
Speaker 3: But certainly it is wonderful to report that the Dvances
Speaker 3: are doing just fine and without everyone. Thank you for
Speaker 3: joining us. We appreciate you as always, I'm Amy Roboch
Speaker 3: alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.