WEBVTT - An Excuse For Not Wearing Your Wedding Ring?  Usha Vance Has A Pretty Good One

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, folks, did it Saturday, November twenty second? And the

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<v Speaker 1>question on this Saturday is there ever a good reason

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<v Speaker 1>to leave behind your wedding ring? Or how about this

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<v Speaker 1>as a good reason. I'm the second Lady of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and a mother of three. Give me a

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<v Speaker 1>freaking break. And with that, welcome to this episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Amy and TJ. I didn't know this was a big deal.

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<v Speaker 1>You said you had seen this story other places. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess during the week, second Lady out without a ring

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<v Speaker 1>and uh oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>She was on official duty as second Lady. She was

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<v Speaker 3>alongside Millennia. That sounds so weird, yes, second Lady, but

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<v Speaker 3>she was in Campbullushoes. So she was there on official duty.

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<v Speaker 3>And so to forget your wedding ring when you know

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<v Speaker 3>there are photographers, you know there are going to be

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<v Speaker 3>cameras following you. That is why it seems suspicious. I

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<v Speaker 3>think a lot of times, yes, you could leave your

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<v Speaker 3>ring if you're going for a run or you're running

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<v Speaker 3>to the grocery store. But she was there and took

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<v Speaker 3>the time to get dressed, and took time to get ready,

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<v Speaker 3>and so why would she not put on her wedding ring?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you, then I didn't plan to ask this or

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<v Speaker 1>this early. But if you are this type of public figure,

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<v Speaker 1>is this a mistake you probably should not make, just

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<v Speaker 1>because it turns into what it has turned into, which

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<v Speaker 1>is unnecessary. But it's turned into all these rumor meals

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<v Speaker 1>about where they are now in their relationship, but also

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<v Speaker 1>causing people to go back and look at every other

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<v Speaker 1>aspect of their relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and the answer to that is yes, she should

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<v Speaker 3>have known better. She is a very public figure. She

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<v Speaker 3>knows she is going to be scrutinized. And look, you

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<v Speaker 3>and I have been public figures and had to make

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<v Speaker 3>the decision when to take the ring off. When you're

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<v Speaker 3>being photographed, you have a camera on you, you know someone

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<v Speaker 3>is going to notice, and you know someone is going

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<v Speaker 3>to ask questions, and so you have to be in

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<v Speaker 3>a place that you're ready to answer those questions. If

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<v Speaker 3>you decide to make a very public showing of taking

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<v Speaker 3>your ring off.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, some people would also say in response to that, well,

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<v Speaker 1>who gives a damn Why does she have to answer

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<v Speaker 1>to anybody about her ring? She's a grown woman. Sure

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<v Speaker 1>she's in the public eye, but she's still a very

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<v Speaker 1>busy mother of three, I get what you're saying. But

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<v Speaker 1>to those folks who maybe heard us say that, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was saying, well, uh huh, I guess we could

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<v Speaker 1>understand maybe what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, she has every right to not answer and

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<v Speaker 3>to not care. But you know that if you don't

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<v Speaker 3>wear your rings, there are just going to be tabloids

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<v Speaker 3>and rumors, and it's just going to fuel those rumors.

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<v Speaker 3>And so if you want actually peace for yourself, the

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<v Speaker 3>best thing to do is be just careful about those

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<v Speaker 3>kinds of things because they will get noticed. Period.

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<v Speaker 1>So she did give a response, Our office did give

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<v Speaker 1>a response. It's all good. We'll give you the exact

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<v Speaker 1>wording of their response. But of course they shut down anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But there has been a lot so much out there

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<v Speaker 1>about what this means. And I even saw an article

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<v Speaker 1>a second ago before we came on talking about how

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<v Speaker 1>divorce lawyer's tongues were wagging at some of the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that seeing about this relationship. So this isn't the only

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<v Speaker 1>thing I guess about their marriage that's come under scrutiny.

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<v Speaker 1>And I swear I was unfamiliar with these other things as.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, So I did not know what sleeping on the

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<v Speaker 3>couch was because one of the headlines was that the

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<v Speaker 3>Democratic Party's official X account actually revived this meme that

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<v Speaker 3>had been circulating in twenty twenty four, sleeping on the couch,

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<v Speaker 3>And so I had to do a bit of a

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<v Speaker 3>dive on that because it is bizarre. I actually had

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<v Speaker 3>to make sure I got it from multiple sources. But

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<v Speaker 3>I figure NPR is a pretty safe one.

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<v Speaker 2>So many years back, does this go?

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<v Speaker 3>This is just twenty twenty four, Okay, so just last year.

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<v Speaker 3>But there was someone on X that made a false

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<v Speaker 3>claim that said then Republican candidate jd Vance.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically he used a couch to masturbate. Yes, okay, you're to.

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<v Speaker 3>Say it, Okay, fine, yes that he It was very

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<v Speaker 3>specific y basically masturbated with two couch questions. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>I was.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to say the way the way they

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<v Speaker 3>had written it because it was just too gross.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why these are the times I wish we

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<v Speaker 1>had cameras, because you to see her face try to

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<v Speaker 1>figure this out, and now she's biting her nails.

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<v Speaker 2>She's still not sure how to Still I'm blushing.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm blushing right now, socause that's why I was struggling,

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<v Speaker 3>but yes, Ultimately that was said that he basically had

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<v Speaker 3>sex with the couch, to the point that the AP

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<v Speaker 3>at one point published an article to debunk the rumor,

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<v Speaker 3>and the headline was no, jd Vance did not have

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<v Speaker 3>sex with a couch. But that just legitimized the meme.

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<v Speaker 3>That just legitimized all the social media fund that was

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<v Speaker 3>being had and so then it basically widened the joke.

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<v Speaker 3>More people knew about it because peoplere like, wait, what,

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<v Speaker 3>so it actually made it worse. So then they actually

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<v Speaker 3>ended up taking the article down and said that it

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<v Speaker 3>had not gone through standard editing process. They realized they

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<v Speaker 3>made a mistake. They shouldn't have basically like normalized or

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<v Speaker 3>at least widened the reach for folks to understand that

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<v Speaker 3>this was a meme that was going on. By saying

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<v Speaker 3>he didn't do something, it made people hear the rumor.

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<v Speaker 2>For the parshole.

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<v Speaker 1>My goodness, dearest, we haven't talked about this yet, but

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<v Speaker 1>that exact thing is a debate we have had plenty

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<v Speaker 1>and we're having now about when someone actually lies about you,

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<v Speaker 1>do you come out there and take down every headline?

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<v Speaker 1>But what you're doing is giving everybody license to just

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<v Speaker 1>make up the next lie and get attention, and you

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<v Speaker 1>end up in a position to where you're spending all

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<v Speaker 1>your time just denying things that were just made up

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<v Speaker 1>in the.

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<v Speaker 3>First place, and some people will always believe it no

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<v Speaker 3>matter what. So yes, an putting that in any more

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<v Speaker 3>reach than it already got was a big mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess it didn't help debunk the rumor if

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<v Speaker 1>you put the article up and then take you down.

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<v Speaker 1>So now it seems like, oh so it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>legit debunking.

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<v Speaker 3>There is jump on that, then, right, okay?

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<v Speaker 1>If that was the time, this is one time I

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<v Speaker 1>have I feel so average event okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he also stepped in it a little while

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<v Speaker 3>ago by basically saying I have the exact words that

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<v Speaker 3>he used, but basically saying that his wife, Usha, who

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<v Speaker 3>is a Hindu, he is a Christian. He wished that

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<v Speaker 3>she would convert, so he said this, do I hope

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<v Speaker 3>eventually that she is somehow moved by the same thing

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<v Speaker 3>that I was moved in by church? Yeah, I honestly

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<v Speaker 3>I do wish that because I believe in the Christian Gospel,

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<v Speaker 3>and I hope eventually my wife comes to see it

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<v Speaker 3>the same way. But if she doesn't, then God says

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<v Speaker 3>everybody has free will, and so that doesn't cause a

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<v Speaker 3>problem for me. That's something you work out with your

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<v Speaker 3>friends and your family, with the person that you love.

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<v Speaker 2>Fair enough, Yes, is that fair enough answer? He wishes?

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<v Speaker 2>But is that offensive to her?

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<v Speaker 1>Religion is offensive to Is it disrespectful to her to

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<v Speaker 1>even ask to have any expectation? I don't know, but

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<v Speaker 1>that sounded like a respect lance.

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<v Speaker 3>He was being honest, So he did have to go back,

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<v Speaker 3>come back and clarify. He didn't apologize, but he clarified

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<v Speaker 3>and said he didn't intend for what he said to

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<v Speaker 3>put any pressure on his wife. So he came out

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<v Speaker 3>and had to say that because people were upset about

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<v Speaker 3>him saying he wishes that his wife would convert to Christianity.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyway, that also made people think, hmm, trouble and paradise.

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<v Speaker 3>They're having issues about religion. That's a big problem. I

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<v Speaker 3>see a riff. So there's been constant rumors now that

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<v Speaker 3>they're headed to divorce court.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because she forgot her ring at an event and

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<v Speaker 1>the other thing. Again, everybody's scrutinizing everything. When is a

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<v Speaker 1>hug more than a hug.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so this is a hug that also sparked problems

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<v Speaker 3>in Jade Vance's marriage. So before I did see this,

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<v Speaker 3>Erica Kirk and Jade Vance were hugging and it was

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<v Speaker 3>on stage in front of everyone, and it was she

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<v Speaker 3>had her hand in the back of his head like

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<v Speaker 3>almost like she was tossling his hair like intimately, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's that is a weird thing for a woman. It's

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<v Speaker 3>an intimate way to hug someone. And so it looked

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<v Speaker 3>like it looked weird. It did. It looked bizarre to

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<v Speaker 3>some how did what did you think? It looked like?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a difficult time in those moments snapshots.

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<v Speaker 2>Of just moment.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it wasn't a snapshot, it was there's a video.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to just interpret those moments. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>their relationship, how close they are. I just I But again,

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<v Speaker 1>this goes to folks looking for anything with this marriage

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<v Speaker 1>and album shocked that that was one thing they're pointing

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<v Speaker 1>towards as if that is a sign of a problem

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<v Speaker 1>in jad Vans's marriage. Because of where Erica kirk hand

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<v Speaker 1>was during a hug, it seems Oh, and people.

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<v Speaker 3>Are ruthless online. Ya you know, Usha, you're in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, people just posting it and putting like funny,

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<v Speaker 3>kitchy what they think are cute headlines just to get

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<v Speaker 3>people to like it and to get clicks. But these

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<v Speaker 3>are real people. I don't care if you're the vice president,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're a celebrity. These things sting, and you hear celebrities,

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<v Speaker 3>you hear folks come out and talk about how much

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<v Speaker 3>it actually does affect them and impact them to see

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<v Speaker 3>things like this put out there. They can laugh it

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<v Speaker 3>off publicly, but it does. It makes you feel uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we then, as a public.

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<v Speaker 1>What should we do with public relationships? Do they're the

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<v Speaker 1>second family? Do we scrutinize right their public figures? So therefore,

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<v Speaker 1>this is part of it.

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<v Speaker 3>It comes with the territory. Okay, it does, but it

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<v Speaker 3>is always you know, it's interesting to see it's almost

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<v Speaker 3>this seems is that people are rooting for their split.

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<v Speaker 3>It does seem because of the partisan nature of this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't just a celebrity. This is somebody, obviously who a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of people fervently support and a lot of people

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<v Speaker 3>fervently dislike what you said.

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<v Speaker 2>The Democrats have on their So yeah, they're.

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<v Speaker 3>The ones the on their X account. They have a

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<v Speaker 3>they revived the memes sleeping on the couch. So it's that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that does seem to be in poor taste

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<v Speaker 3>if we know now that he's referencing JD. Vans a

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<v Speaker 3>completely false narrative that JD. Vans wrote about masturbating on

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<v Speaker 3>the couch.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always can't find the right word, but that's exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what I was looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in poor taste, yes, to do what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>You're making fun of this guy in his relationship in

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<v Speaker 1>a personal way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just that's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do appreciate the way that the second Lady's office,

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<v Speaker 1>how they responded to what's happening now in all of

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<v Speaker 1>these rumors. Now, I loved it Robes when I first

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<v Speaker 1>read it, and then I read the second time, and

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<v Speaker 1>by the time I came around to the third I said,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, was that okay for them to say

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<v Speaker 1>that and say it that way? Well, folks, stay here,

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<v Speaker 1>when we come back, we are going to give you

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<v Speaker 1>the word for word response and that you decide was

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<v Speaker 1>this a good response? Cute response? Funny response, perfect response

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<v Speaker 1>or a old response. All right, folks, welcome back, Amy

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<v Speaker 1>TJ continuing, Now a ring robes time. What excuses do

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<v Speaker 1>you have? What are legit excuses? When can you leave

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<v Speaker 1>your wedding ring behind? And it's not a big deal?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, look, I never want to leave it behind,

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<v Speaker 3>but I did recently. You pointed it out. You're like

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<v Speaker 3>you and you saw immediately You're like, where's your wedding

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<v Speaker 3>or where's your engagement ring? And I was like, oh, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I know where I left it?

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<v Speaker 2>So what was it that day?

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<v Speaker 3>So I was putting body lotion on, and so I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to get lotion. I didn't want to gunk

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<v Speaker 3>up my ring. So I took it off and put

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<v Speaker 3>it right next to the sink and not very far

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<v Speaker 3>away from the drain and all of that. But I

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<v Speaker 3>usually take it off when I put lotion on.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, when is it okay to be upset with your

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<v Speaker 1>significant other for leaving the ring behind? Because things happen

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<v Speaker 1>if they do frequently and they just don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>wear We're not talking about that. But at what point

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<v Speaker 1>could you leave it somewhere and you actually have a

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<v Speaker 1>legit cause to be upset with your spots.

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<v Speaker 3>I think if Vegas or yes, seriously, I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going on a boy's trip, Oh wow, I

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<v Speaker 3>think you can seriously be upset if you're significant Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess your significant other left their wedding ring behind

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<v Speaker 3>and you know they're going on like a trip to

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<v Speaker 3>go have fun with their girls or guys. Yes, you

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<v Speaker 3>could be mad. What do you think Is there a

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<v Speaker 3>legitimate reason why you could be mad?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually, look, if you are good, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>solid in that relationship, and I know anytime you leave

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<v Speaker 1>your ring behind, it's I hear the lotion. Fine, I

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<v Speaker 1>could be offended that she didn't think enough of it

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<v Speaker 1>to put it on. No, because I'm pretty sure when

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<v Speaker 1>you leave it behind, you're more upset that you left

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<v Speaker 1>it behind than I am. And right, there's something about

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<v Speaker 1>it now that seems so silly and petty and small. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>if our relationship is going through struggle just because we

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<v Speaker 1>can't make it through a weekend of you being in

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas without a ring on one finger, then we probably

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<v Speaker 1>got the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I hear you on that, And look, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think i'd be mad. But I think if you already

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<v Speaker 3>had other problems, you might be concerned that that was

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<v Speaker 3>a delay act and you might not even say anything

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<v Speaker 3>or confront the other person, but it'd be in the

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<v Speaker 3>back of your head, like I wonder, I wonder, I wonder,

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<v Speaker 3>that is what it's just like it starts to erode away.

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<v Speaker 3>Trust that's it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there are reasons for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And look the second lady gave her reasons for it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought, okay, up on first reading, I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>give it word for word.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they response deer okay, oh yeah, I was worried

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't have him freak.

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<v Speaker 3>I do okay. Usha Vans is a mother of three

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<v Speaker 3>young children who does a lot of dishes, gives a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of baths, and forgets her ring sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>How you like that?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's honest, That's what I think it is,

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<v Speaker 3>because when you're doing all of those things, Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>do tend to take your ring off because you don't

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<v Speaker 3>want to mess it up or have it get in

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<v Speaker 3>the way.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, Again, you take the words right out

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<v Speaker 1>of my mouth, and that's the perfect way to say it.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounded like an honest answer. Yeah, it was almost

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<v Speaker 1>like are you freaking kidding me. She's a mom. Are

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<v Speaker 1>the ages eight, five, and three are the ages of

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<v Speaker 1>the kids. Yes, she's busy, Yeah she is. So I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that was a perfect response, and then I looked

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<v Speaker 1>at it again. Yeah, she's forgot a ring, she's been

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<v Speaker 1>doing dishes.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, look, it sounded maybe a little sexist

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<v Speaker 3>to some and that, like, look, I'm sure there are

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<v Speaker 3>other reasons why. For me, self care is part of

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<v Speaker 3>the reason why I would take my ring off as well,

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<v Speaker 3>but that is probably the reason why. And she is

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<v Speaker 3>a mom of free and she does do the dishes,

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<v Speaker 3>probably more than JD. Just guessing that's probably true. She

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<v Speaker 3>is probably the one who is giving the kids the baths,

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<v Speaker 3>not JD. So he is busy. I get that. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's just honest, and I think a lot of women

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<v Speaker 3>related to that. I actually saw folks say same, me too,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I get it. So I do think it was

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<v Speaker 3>incredibly relatable.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, she nailed it. Uh, oh, he's been out there.

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<v Speaker 1>We see her here and there. I know if she's

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<v Speaker 1>done interview. Not a whole lot, not a whole lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But I was very impressed by this and that response.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have been always impressed by her, so I

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be so. But do you think just and yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're fine.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just gonna say, And turns out everyone just

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<v Speaker 3>is speculating because it's clickbait and it's fun. I think

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<v Speaker 3>a sport. I think for some people to almost root

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<v Speaker 3>for the demise of people they don't like or they

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<v Speaker 3>don't agree with. So anyway, that is a sad state.

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<v Speaker 3>But certainly it is wonderful to report that the Dvances

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<v Speaker 3>are doing just fine and without everyone. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 3>joining us. We appreciate you as always, I'm Amy Roboch

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<v Speaker 3>alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you soon.